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Diamondjimi
03-09-2010, 08:12 PM
Quebec woman barred from course for second time over refusal to remove niqab

By Jonathan Montpetit, The Canadian Press


MONTREAL - A Muslim woman in Quebec has been kicked out of a language course for the second time because of her refusal to remove a religious face covering.

The Egyptian immigrant made headlines last week when it was revealed provincial Immigration Department officials expelled her from a government-sponsored French class several months ago after she refused to take off her niqab.

Known only as Naema in Quebec media, she had since enrolled in another government-sponsored French class, this time at a community centre for immigrants in Montreal.

But almost as soon as the Quebec government got word she was attending class in her niqab, it confronted her again, forcing her to make the same decision she made in November.

As she did then, Naema chose her religion instead of learning French on the Quebec government's terms.

"It is a copy and paste of what happened last week," said Samer Majzoub, who heads the Canadian Muslim Forum, a non-profit organization that has been providing support for Naema.

"Why is the government doing this? I wonder if they have other things to do in life other than following this woman."

Quebec Immigration Minister Yolande James appeared to move quickly in addressing the latest contribution to the province's ongoing debate over the accommodation of religious and ethnic minorities.

News of Naema's new enrolment first appeared in Tuesday's edition of Montreal La Presse newspaper. By 10 a.m., officials from the Quebec government were meeting with her and representatives of the centre.

James' office said it received word on Friday from teachers at the community centre that Naema was wearing her niqab in class.

"As we did last time, we told her that we have pedagogical objectives to meet in our French immersion courses, that they have to be taken with her face exposed," said Luc Fortin, a spokesman for James.

"She refused to take off her niqab and she left the course."

In Quebec City on Tuesday, James said "if she wants to attend the classes we need to be able to see her face."

Naema declined to speak to The Canadian Press, saying through an intermediary that she had been upset by media coverage of her initial expulsion.

Several commentators as well as certain Muslim groups expressed support for the Quebec's government's position last week.

They argued Naema had been unreasonable in her demands, which reportedly included giving oral presentations with her back facing the co-ed class.

"She's devastated," Majzoub said. "This woman was insisting on being part of Quebec society, on integrating."

He added she was surprised at the government's suddenly renewed interest in her case.

She had been enrolled in the part-time course for around 45 days and had yet to hear of any complaints from her teachers, Majzoub said.

Her expulsion from the college French course in November is the subject of a complaint the woman filed with the Quebec human rights commission.

The accommodation issue is politically contentious for the provincial Liberal government.

Facing repeated criticism from the Opposition Parti Quebecois for failing to protect Quebec values, the Liberals say they intend to take "concrete measures" in the coming weeks to deal with the problem.

While it has remained mum on the details, the PQ has called on the government to do more to protect the secular nature of Quebec society and equality between men and women.

Recent polls have suggested a majority of Quebecers feel the government has done too much to accommodate minorities.

Diamondjimi
03-09-2010, 08:16 PM
Several commentators as well as certain Muslim groups expressed support for the Quebec's government's position last week.

They argued Naema had been unreasonable in her demands, which reportedly included giving oral presentations with her back facing the co-ed class.

It's time to leave the stone age. Wear the veil at home.
What kinds of rights would our women have in the Middle East?

FORD
03-09-2010, 11:51 PM
I don't see why a language course should require a dress code.

Now if she were taking a driving course, and the Muslim headgear (veil/scarf/whatever) interefered with proper operation of a vehicle, then I could see a reason for removal.

Guess I'm not understanding why it's so important that they look at her face, as long as they can hear if she's speaking French or not.

Diamondjimi
03-10-2010, 12:31 AM
I give her credit. At least wants to learn the language...

Seshmeister
03-10-2010, 05:53 AM
I don't like the niqab and think it is sinister.

There are two problems with not just ignoring it though.

1) If you ban it then the asshole dickhead husband/brother/father with the tiny penis will just not let the girl out the house at all.

2) We can't have governments telling us what we can wear. What happens if the next time a Kipper Gore gets some power she bans Judas Priest t-shirts?

Sensible Shoes
03-10-2010, 07:44 AM
Montreal is an interesting setting for this - one of the last reactionary Catholic bastions in North America. Perhaps the "church" doesn't have anything as drastic as the niqab, but there are things that they hold as sacred and would have a hissy fit if denied them.

Seshmeister
03-10-2010, 08:06 AM
Well of course Europe exported most of it's extreme religious nutters to the Americas a long time ago...

WACF
03-10-2010, 10:57 AM
That article skirted the other facts that she had a problem with the class having men in it. She also would not address the men...nor a male teacher.

How about these men put in a complaint against her...it would open this for debate.

WACF
03-10-2010, 11:00 AM
I don't like the niqab and think it is sinister.

There are two problems with not just ignoring it though.

1) If you ban it then the asshole dickhead husband/brother/father with the tiny penis will just not let the girl out the house at all.

2) We can't have governments telling us what we can wear. What happens if the next time a Kipper Gore gets some power she bans Judas Priest t-shirts?

I hear ya but....

I would have no problem with governemnt stating that the niqab is a sign of oppression.

Blackflag
03-10-2010, 07:36 PM
Well of course Europe exported most of it's extreme religious nutters to the Americas a long time ago...

Enough with the Europe cheerleading already. Europe is shit, and it will continue to be shit for the foreseeable future. It was totalitarian European governments that made those "extreme religious nutters" leave for the U.S. to begin with. And if it weren't for those "extreme religious nutters," you'd be sucking a giant German cock right now.

Seshmeister
03-10-2010, 08:21 PM
Hello Yakima! :)

Blackflag
03-10-2010, 09:01 PM
Hey scotland, how's it going.