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  • sadaist
    TOASTMASTER GENERAL
    • Jul 2004
    • 11625

    Kucinich caves - switches healthcare vote

    Kucinich switches healthcare vote - latimes.com

    WASHINGTON
    Rep. Dennis Kucinich, a Democrat who has been critical of the president's healthcare plans for not going far enough, announced today that he will vote for the House's final bill -- offering House leaders their first flip from a no-vote to yes as a close vote nears this week.

    The Ohio congressman, who voted against the healthcare bill that the House passed in November, complained that it contained no "public option'' as an alternative to private health insurance coverage. He is among a handful of Democrats whom House leaders are attempting to win on the imminent second, and perhaps final, vote on healthcare.

    "Some have speculated that I may be, this time, in the position of casting a deciding vote,'' he said at a Capitol Hill news conference this morning. "The vote on the final healthcare bill will be close... I take this vote with the utmost seriousness.... I know that I have to make a decision, not on the bill as I would like to see it, but as it is...

    "I have doubts about the bill,'' he said. "This is not the bill I wanted to support.... However, after careful discussions with President Obama, (House) Speaker (Nancy) Pelosi'' and his family, he said, "I have decided to cast a vote in favor of the legislation....''

    Kucinich traveled with Obama aboard Air Force One this week to the president's appearance at a campaign-styled pitch in Ohio for the healthcare legislation which the House is near approving, if leaders can hold a razor-thin vote.

    "I believe healthcare is a civil right,'' Kucinich said today. "I've spent my life struggling for the rights of working-class people and for healthcare.''

    Kucinich, who lived in 21 places by the time he was 17 -- "including a couple of cars'' -- cited his own struggle with Krone's Disease and how he had learned the benefits of taking charge of his own healthcare. He also has benefitted from the best healthcare lately.

    "There are those who believe that healthcare is a privilege, based on the ability of those who can pay,'' he said -- calling this "the model'' which President Barack Obama is presenting with his plan to insure 30 million more Americans. And there are those who believe, as he does, he said, that it is a basic right.

    Pelosi (D-Calif.) will need 216 votes to win passage of the healthcare bill – and if all sitting members who voted yes on the first measure vote yes again this week she will have that vote.

    However, among 15 Democrats who voted yes on the first vote, leaders are concerned about losing a handful on the second vote, nine of those abortion-related.

    And among the 37 currently seated Democrats who voted no on the first round, there is a targeted of 16 who are publicly undecided and whom Pelosi hopes to flip to yes votes. Kucinich was among them.

    mdsilva@tribune.com

    Copyright © 2010, Tribune Interactive
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  • sadaist
    TOASTMASTER GENERAL
    • Jul 2004
    • 11625

    #2
    Originally posted by sadaist
    ...after careful discussions with President Obama, (House) Speaker (Nancy) Pelosi'' and his family, he said, "I have decided to cast a vote in favor of the legislation....''

    Listening to everyone but his constituents.
    “Great losses often bring only a numb shock. To truly plunge a victim into misery, you must overwhelm him with many small sufferings.”

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    • LoungeMachine
      DIAMOND STATUS
      • Jul 2004
      • 32555

      #3
      sad.



      The ONE guy left other than Bernie Sanders who I actually thought would stick to his convictions....
      Originally posted by Kristy
      Dude, what in the fuck is wrong with you? I'm full of hate and I do drugs.
      Originally posted by cadaverdog
      I posted under aliases and I jerk off with a sock. Anything else to add?

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      • Blackflag
        Banned
        • Apr 2006
        • 3406

        #4
        Ron Paul won't vote for this piece of shit, even if he got a free ride in Air Force One. (whee!) Ralph Nader wouldn't have supported this fiasco, either.

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        • hambon4lif
          Crazy Ass Mofo
          • Jun 2004
          • 2810

          #5
          Originally posted by sadaist
          The Ohio congressman, who voted against the healthcare bill that the House passed in November, complained that it contained no "public option'' as an alternative to private health insurance coverage. He is among a handful of Democrats whom House leaders are attempting to win on the imminent second, and perhaps final, vote on healthcare.

          "Some have speculated that I may be, this time, in the position of casting a deciding vote,'' he said at a Capitol Hill news conference this morning. "The vote on the final healthcare bill will be close... I take this vote with the utmost seriousness.... I know that I have to make a decision, not on the bill as I would like to see it, but as it is...

          "I have doubts about the bill,'' he said. "This is not the bill I wanted to support.... However, after careful discussions with President Obama, (House) Speaker (Nancy) Pelosi'' and his family, he said, "I have decided to cast a vote in favor of the legislation....''

          Kucinich traveled with Obama aboard Air Force One this week to the president's appearance at a campaign-styled pitch in Ohio for the healthcare legislation which the House is near approving, if leaders can hold a razor-thin vote.

          "I believe healthcare is a civil right,'' Kucinich said today. "I've spent my life struggling for the rights of working-class people and for healthcare.''

          Kucinich, who lived in 21 places by the time he was 17 -- "including a couple of cars'' -- cited his own struggle with Krone's Disease and how he had learned the benefits of taking charge of his own healthcare. He also has benefitted from the best healthcare lately.
          Oh....is this what they mean by "demon pass"?!??.....I wan't sure.

          Cutting you a fat check at 35,000 feet convinced you that you were wrong the entire time and to take a shit on the people who looked up to you as some kind of human being??

          I hope that was one fucking hell of a check!

          Don't spend it all in one place, Denny!!

          ....afterall, you did sell your soul for it!

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          • bueno bob
            DIAMOND STATUS
            • Jul 2004
            • 22820

            #6
            Originally posted by Blackflag
            Ron Paul won't vote for this piece of shit, even if he got a free ride in Air Force One. (whee!) Ralph Nader wouldn't have supported this fiasco, either.
            Can you suck them off any harder?

            Just curious.
            Twistin' by the pool.

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            • BigBadBrian
              TOASTMASTER GENERAL
              • Jan 2004
              • 10620

              #7
              One little airplane ride is all it took?

              Hey, how old is his wife? Attaboy, Dennis!


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              • hideyoursheep
                ROTH ARMY ELITE
                • Jan 2007
                • 6351

                #8
                Dear Dennis,

                <a href="http://www.funnyforumpics.com"><img border="0" src="http://www.funnyforumpics.com/forums/flame-insults/8/Gay-GetOut.jpg"></a>

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                • ULTRAMAN VH
                  Commando
                  • May 2004
                  • 1480

                  #9
                  Obama probably promised him a free Meet and Greet with E.T. The Extra Terrestrial.

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                  • lesfunk
                    Full Member Status

                    • Jan 2004
                    • 3560

                    #10
                    We need to nuke Washington D.C.

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                    • bueno bob
                      DIAMOND STATUS
                      • Jul 2004
                      • 22820

                      #11
                      Well, here's the thing...Kucinich is a man of his convictions...I'm hoping the upshot of all this is that he saw something in there that was too good, too big to pass up on, or at least that there's room to work with it, imperfect as it may currently be. It's hard saying, but the guy's track record really does speak for itself and I'm willing to give him at least a little consideration before crucifying him.
                      Twistin' by the pool.

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                      • FORD
                        ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

                        • Jan 2004
                        • 58754

                        #12
                        Dennis sees this as a beginning, not an ending. I definitely agree with him in principle, but I'm not holding my breath. The Republican infiltration of the Democratic party known as the DLC has a pattern of supporting deregulation & privatization just like the Repukes do. Rahm Emanuel's brother (a supposed doctor) is pushing for Medicare privatization even now, which is 180 degrees away from the direction it should be going. There's also this whole "charter schools" fraud going on, and that has a lot of support from the DLC tools.

                        I don't believe they have any intention of "fixing" health care after this bill is passed. Yeah Dennis does. Alan Grayson does. Bernie Sanders does. And probably Russ Feingold, and a few others in the Senate who aren't brainwashed by the DLC infiltration. Hopefully the House Progressive Caucus. But is it likely to be a done deal in the short term? Sadly no

                        Right now, I'm actually cheering on the Repukes who are planning to take the mandate bullshit to court. If that shit gets taken out of it, but the mild insurance reform remains, I could live with the bill, as a "first step in the process".
                        Eat Us And Smile

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                        • bueno bob
                          DIAMOND STATUS
                          • Jul 2004
                          • 22820

                          #13
                          Originally posted by FORD
                          Dennis sees this as a beginning, not an ending. I definitely agree with him in principle, but I'm not holding my breath. The Republican infiltration of the Democratic party known as the DLC has a pattern of supporting deregulation & privatization just like the Repukes do. Rahm Emanuel's brother (a supposed doctor) is pushing for Medicare privatization even now, which is 180 degrees away from the direction it should be going. There's also this whole "charter schools" fraud going on, and that has a lot of support from the DLC tools.

                          I don't believe they have any intention of "fixing" health care after this bill is passed. Yeah Dennis does. Alan Grayson does. Bernie Sanders does. And probably Russ Feingold, and a few others in the Senate who aren't brainwashed by the DLC infiltration. Hopefully the House Progressive Caucus. But is it likely to be a done deal in the short term? Sadly no

                          Right now, I'm actually cheering on the Repukes who are planning to take the mandate bullshit to court. If that shit gets taken out of it, but the mild insurance reform remains, I could live with the bill, as a "first step in the process".
                          As I've read it (what I've read of it), there are certainly a lot of handouts to insurance companies. I find it pretty telling that no Republican has really contested THAT element of the issue yet. Something about "biting the hand that feeds" jumps to mind...

                          Regarding any praise on my part, I'm waiting to see who really earns it...
                          Twistin' by the pool.

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                          • ELVIS
                            Banned
                            • Dec 2003
                            • 44120

                            #14
                            Originally posted by FORD
                            , I could live with the bill, as a "first step in the process".
                            Yeah, so they can cross that bridge and burn it behind them, THEN write the bill...

                            And from that point on, so called healthcare will be debated and argued forever...


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                            • FORD
                              ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

                              • Jan 2004
                              • 58754

                              #15
                              What really should be the bare minimum right now, if they insist on allowing the insurance companies to continue existing at all, is to follow the Switzerland model, regulate the shit out of them, and force them to be non-profits. And if they can't play by those extremely fair rules, then they can go fuck themselves, and we get single payer by default.
                              Eat Us And Smile

                              Cenk For America 2024!!

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                              "If the American people had ever known the truth about what we (the BCE) have done to this nation, we would be chased down in the streets and lynched." - Poppy Bush, 1992

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