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  • chefcraig
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    • Apr 2004
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    Israel Holds Hundreds Seized During Raid on Flotilla

    This situation is (for lack of a better description) fucking nuts. Virtually every nation on Earth has condemned Israel for it's actions, with 2 notable exceptions: Germany and The United States. Even though the Germans had 6 citizens aboard the flotilla, due to the guilt over WWII they are afraid to say anything. The U.S. predictably enough, has offered no comment. So 2 nations are hamstrung, fearful of stating the obvious even though Israel's actions have brought about worldwide scorn. I mean think about it, even FRANCE finds the situation appalling, and isn't walking on eggshells to not say so. Israel seems to believe that it's behavior should be viewed as beyond reproach, just as a spoiled child acting like a bully will never fear the scolding it so obviously deserves. Contrary to the belief of the Israeli government, disagreeing with their petulant behavior does not automatically make a nation antisemitic. It's time the United States formed a backbone and said enough is enough, that blockading Gaza and attacking humanitarian convoys is simply an unacceptable practice in today's world. If the Turks had done the same thing to Israel, you have to wonder...

    Israel Holds Hundreds Seized During Raid on Flotilla

    JERUSALEM — A day after Israeli commandos raided an aid flotilla seeking to breach the blockade of Gaza, Israel held more than 600 activists seized aboard the convoy on Tuesday as news reports said activists may be planning a fresh attempt to ferry supplies to the Hamas-run enclave.

    As international pressure mounted for Israel to end its blockade, Egypt’s president ordered a temporary reopening of its border with Gaza to allow humanitarian and medical aid to reach the 1.5 million people there.

    Hours earlier, the Israeli military said troops clashed with two militants who infiltrated from Gaza, killing them both. While such occurrences are almost routine along the volatile border between Israel and Gaza, the clash underscored the tensions seizing the region after Monday’s confrontation at sea, which strained relations between Israel and the United States just as American-sponsored proximity talks involving Palestinians and Israelis were getting under way.

    There was little sign Tuesday that international criticism of Israel was easing.

    In the early hours of the morning, after protracted wrangling, the United Nations Security Council condemned “acts” leading to the loss of life in Israel’s operation in international waters on Monday, which had claimed the lives of nine civilians, many of them Turks aboard a Turkish vessel. The Security Council also urged an impartial inquiry — a call echoed in a separate forum by Russia and the European Union on Tuesday at a meeting of senior officials in the southern Russian city of Rostov-on-Don.

    For its part, Turkey, once seen as Israel’s most important friend in the Muslim world, recalled its ambassador on Monday and canceled planned military exercises with Israel as the countries’ already tense relations soured even further. On Tuesday, Israel announced that four of the nine killed in the military operation were Turkish citizens, the Anatolian News Agency reported.

    Turkish animosity seemed to deepen.

    “This irresponsible, heedless, unlawful attitude that defies any human virtue should definitely, but definitely, be punished,” Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan said in his regular weekly address to his party in the capital, Ankara.

    “No one should dare to challenge Turkey or test her patience for that the strength of Turkey’s animosity is as strong as the value of its friendship.”

    In a speech often interrupted by loud applause, Mr. Erdogan called on Israel to end the embargo on Gaza and asked the Israeli people to rise against the violent policies of their government.

    And Egypt’s official Middle East News Service said that President Hosni Mubarak was moving to temporarily reopen the Rafah border crossing — the only crossing not controlled by Israel — to “alleviate the suffering of the Palestinian people in the besieged Gaza Strip.”

    Egypt has kept its border with Gaza largely sealed since Hamas seized power there in 2007.

    Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu of Israel, meanwhile, was flying home after canceling a Tuesday meeting with President Obama.

    Mr. Netanyahu has defended the Israeli military’s actions, saying the commandos, enforcing what Israel says is a legal blockade, were set upon by passengers on the Turkish ship they boarded and fired only in self-defense. The military released a video of the early moments of the raid to support that claim.

    Israel said the violence was instigated by pro-Palestinian activists who presented themselves as humanitarians but had come ready for a fight. Organizers of the flotilla accused the Israeli forces of opening fire as soon as they landed on the deck, and released videos to support their case. On Tuesday, activists promised more confrontation. Greta Berlin of the Free Gaza Movement, which organized the flotilla, said that another cargo boat was heading to Gaza from the coast of Italy while a second boat carrying some 35 passengers was expected to join it, The A.P. reported.

    “This initiative is not going to stop,” Ms. Berlin said from the group’s base in Cyprus. “We think eventually Israel will get some kind of common sense. They’re going to have to stop the blockade of Gaza, and one of the ways to do this is for us to continue to send the boats.”

    An Israeli police spokesman, Micky Rosenfeld, said 634 activists, mostly from the Turkish passenger ship, who had refused to identify themselves were being detained at a prison in southern Israel, where they were awaiting deportation procedures. Forty-five others had agreed to identify themselves and were being deported.

    Immigration officials said the people to be deported included Henning Mankell, a best-selling Swedish author.

    While the Israeli public seemed largely to support the navy, policy experts questioned preparations for the military operation, whether there had been an intelligence failure and whether the Israeli insistence on stopping the flotilla had been counterproductive. Some commentators were calling for the resignation of Ehud Barak, the defense minister.

    “The government failed the test of results; blaming the organizers of the flotilla for causing the deaths by ignoring Israel’s orders to turn back is inadequate,” wrote Aluf Benn, a columnist for Haaretz, on the newspaper’s Web site on Monday, calling for a national committee of inquiry. “Decisions taken by the responsible authorities must be probed.”

    The flotilla of six cargo ships and passenger boats was carrying 10,000 tons of aid for Gaza. But the raid and its deadly consequences have thrown Israel’s policy of blockading Gaza into the international limelight. The statement by the United Nations Security Council early on Tuesday stressed “the need for sustained and regular flow of goods and people to Gaza.”

    Israel had vowed not to let the flotilla reach the shores of Gaza, held by Hamas, an organization sworn to Israel’s destruction.

    Named the Freedom Flotilla, and led by the pro-Palestinian Free Gaza Movement and a Turkish organization, Insani Yardim Vakfi, the convoy had converged at sea near Cyprus and set out on the final leg of its journey on Sunday afternoon. Israel warned the vessels to abort their mission, describing it as a provocation.

    The confrontation began shortly before midnight on Sunday when Israeli warships intercepted the aid flotilla, according to a person on one boat. The Israeli military warned the vessels that they were entering a hostile area and that the Gaza shore was under blockade.

    The vessels refused the military’s request to dock at the Israeli port of Ashdod, north of Gaza, and continued toward their destination.

    Around 4 a.m. Monday, naval commandos came aboard the Turkish ship, the Mavi Marmara, having been lowered by ropes from helicopters onto the decks.

    At that point, the operation seems to have gone badly wrong.

    Israeli officials say that the soldiers were dropped into an ambush and were attacked with clubs, metal rods and knives.

    An Israeli official said that the navy was planning to stop five of the six vessels of the flotilla with large nets that interfere with propellers, but that the sixth was too large for that. The official said there was clearly an intelligence failure in that the commandos were expecting to face passive resistance, and not an angry, violent reaction.

    The Israelis had planned to commandeer the vessels and steer them to Ashdod, where their cargo would be unloaded and, the authorities said, transferred overland to Gaza after inspection.

    The military said in a statement that two activists were later found with pistols taken from Israeli commandos. It accused the activists of opening fire, “as evident by the empty pistol magazines.”

    Another soldier said the orders were to neutralize the passengers, not to kill them.

    But the forces “had to open fire in order to defend themselves,” the navy commander, Vice Adm. Eliezer Marom, said at a news conference in Tel Aviv, adding, “Their lives were at risk.”

    At least seven soldiers were wounded, one of them seriously. The military said that some suffered gunshot wounds; at least one had been stabbed.

    Einat Wilf, a Labor Party member of Parliament who sits on the influential Foreign Affairs and Defense Committee, said that she had warned Mr. Barak and others well in advance that the flotilla was a public relations issue and should not be dealt with by military means.

    The fatalities all occurred aboard the Mavi Marmara, a Turkish passenger vessel that was carrying about 600 activists under the auspices of Insani Yardim Vakfi, an organization also known as I.H.H. Israeli officials have characterized it as a dangerous Islamic organization with terrorist links.

    Yet the organization, founded in 1992 to collect aid for the Bosnians, is now active in 120 countries and has been present at recent disaster areas like Haiti and New Orleans.

    “Our volunteers were not trained military personnel,” said Yavuz Dede, deputy director of the organization. “They were civilians trying to get aid to Gaza. There were artists, intellectuals and journalists among them. Such an offensive cannot be explained by any terms.”

    There were no immediate accounts available from the passengers of the Turkish ship, which arrived at the naval base in Ashdod on Monday evening, where nearly three dozen were arrested, many for not giving their names. The base was off limits to the news media and declared a closed military zone.

    The Free Gaza Movement has organized several aid voyages since the summer of 2008, usually consisting of one or two vessels. The earliest ones were allowed to reach Gaza. Others have been intercepted and forced back, and one, last June, was commandeered by the Israeli Navy and towed to Ashdod. This six-boat fleet was the most ambitious attempt yet to break the blockade.


    The New York Times









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  • Nickdfresh
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    • Oct 2004
    • 49125

    #2
    The Israelis are acting with all the rationality of North Korea these days. Their scofflaw, arrogant behavior is getting very old these days, and so is the U.S. underwriting of much of it...

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    • GAR
      Banned
      • Jan 2004
      • 10849

      #3
      Fuck the Palestinians and the "peace activists" - you'll see the video of the commandos boarding the ship with most of the people on it first, and they're ready with bats, pipe and axes.

      They're lucky they only wound up with 10 dead, I would have sunk that motherfucker - attacking my unit!

      They could have chosen to port the shipment and allow an Israeli inspection to make sure no contraband was onboard willingly, or unwillingly. Now they got 10 killed, hundreds going to prison, everybody's lives fucked up and alot of valuable cargo and shipping impounded.

      Palestinians fuck up everything they touch, and everyone that touches them. Fukkum.

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      • Jagermeister
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        • Apr 2010
        • 4510

        #4
        GAR. Do you ever get tired of people telling you to fuck off?

        I thought that was a great post by the way.

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        • GAR
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          • Jan 2004
          • 10849

          #5
          When I realized who started the thread, and who replied to it, no I don't care what they think and if I could Ignore User on NickDfresh I probably wouldn't have commented.. because he's always so uppity in attacking the Jews and how they're terrorists and all that when they're so fucking under the gun, every single day it's like he doesn't care to interpret the news without viewing thru shit-colored glasses.

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          • Nickdfresh
            SUPER MODERATOR

            • Oct 2004
            • 49125

            #6
            Originally posted by GAR
            ...
            Palestinians fuck up everything they touch, and everyone that touches them. Fukkum.
            Did you touch a Palestinian boy or something?

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            • Nickdfresh
              SUPER MODERATOR

              • Oct 2004
              • 49125

              #7
              Originally posted by GAR
              When I realized who started the thread, and who replied to it, no I don't care what they think and if I could Ignore User on NickDfresh I probably wouldn't have commented.. because he's always so uppity in attacking the Jews and how they're terrorists and all that when they're so fucking under the gun, every single day it's like he doesn't care to interpret the news without viewing thru shit-colored glasses.
              You hate Jews, and lie about putting people on "ignore" all the time, you waste of skin...

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              • Blaze
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                • Jan 2009
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                #8
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                • BigBadBrian
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                  • Jan 2004
                  • 10620

                  #9
                  Originally posted by chefcraig
                  This situation is (for lack of a better description) fucking nuts. Virtually every nation on Earth has condemned Israel for it's actions, with 2 notable exceptions: Germany and The United States. Even though the Germans had 6 citizens aboard the flotilla, due to the guilt over WWII they are afraid to say anything. The U.S. predictably enough, has offered no comment. So 2 nations are hamstrung, fearful of stating the obvious even though Israel's actions have brought about worldwide scorn.
                  Fuck what the rest of the world thinks. We should never base our foreign policy on what is popular.

                  Israel has the right to enforce the blockade of the Gaza strip. Boats from Iran are using this route to smuggle in arms to Hamas, such as rockets that are being fired from Gaza into Israel.

                  The only thing I fault Israel with is not going in with enough force. It's obvious these peace activists were spoiling for a fight and ready with clubs and knives. What kind of peace activists carry clubs and knives?

                  Israel should take lessons from the US Navy. The USN has been doing maritime interdiction for years, first with the embargo of Iraq during the Saddam years and now with Somali pirates. The Israelis should have boarded that terrorist cruise ship via small boat and instead used the helos to keep the deck clear, with automatic weapons if necessary. Keeping their own people safe should be Israel's priority.

                  These Turkish terrorists/Hamas sympathizers plan on sending in another boat soon. Let's all hope Israel responds with overwhelming force this time.
                  “If bullshit was currency, Joe Biden would be a billionaire.” - George W. Bush

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                  • Blaze
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                    • Jan 2009
                    • 4371

                    #10
                    Why is Israel afraid of a few boats?

                    Posted By Yousef Munayyer Thursday, May 27, 2010 - 3:49 PM

                    Hundreds of activists are on their way to the blockaded Gaza strip via a "flotilla" of boats carrying humanitarian and reconstruction supplies, which are badly lacking in the impoverished Palestinian territory.

                    Israel has promised to intercept the good-willed boats and arrest and deport the activists. The Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs has exerted great effort in the past few days to convince onlookers to this confrontation on the high seas that the activists carrying humanitarian goods are terrorist sympathizers, and that everything is just fine and dandy in the Gaza Strip. The ministry has portrayed Israel (the country enforcing the blockade of Gaza's ports) as a benevolent victim, who despite the threat from Gaza's Hamas government is still caring for the civilian population.

                    There comes a point when an oppressive regime's propaganda crosses a threshold from mere lies to utter lunacy so extreme, in fact, that objective onlookers find it almost comical. This point came yesterday when the Government Press Office disseminated a link to a Gaza restaurant which appears to be luxurious. So what Israel is essentially saying is: "There you have it. There is a website for a restaurant with cloth napkins in Gaza. How can there be any problems?"

                    The reality is, of course, that the situation in Gaza is very dire. A slew of reports from human rights organizations attest to the hardships faced by most Palestinians in Gaza. In the densely populated strip where 80 percent of the population are refugees, a similar percentage relies on international aid organizations for daily sustenance. That number was only ten percent a decade ago. That's how bad things have become. Malnutrition in children has reached ten percent and critical medicines are not available, according to the World Health Organization.

                    But no one is starving to death in Gaza--at least not suddenly. A tunnel industry has evolved and become the main supplier for most goods. That's all part of the plan. Israel seeks to squeeze the strip to the point of near catastrophe, bad enough to make people suffer, but just short of having to take responsibility for it. It's a form of torture kind of like water-boarding under the Bush administration: the objective is to bring the subject to the edge and break his will, but not kill him (lest they be charged with murder). But just because Gaza's civilian population has managed to keep its collective head above water doesn't mean things should be this way.

                    Like life in most prisons, if you "know a guy," anything is available for a price. Generators, for example, are in high demand because of the shortages of electricity. The shortages are due to the destruction of Gaza's only power plant in 2006 by Israeli jets. Since then, Israel has never permitted the full reconstruction of the power plant, forcing perpetual dependence of Gaza on Israel and Egypt, who take an eye-dropper approach to supplying Gaza with electricity. But even though generators smuggled through Gaza's tunnels provide some light, there is also a dark and often unheard downside that comes with them: explosions and fires. Several reports in the past few years of civilians being killed or maimed from overworked and exploding generators have become common. These are just some of the siege-related causalities we do not hear about.

                    The 10,000 tons of supplies aboard the Gaza aid ships are a drop in the bucket for what Gaza really needs. Israel's spokesmen have pointed out that they have permitted the entry of supplies in the past and argued that the aid boats are unnecessary. The reality is that aid which Israel does permit into Gaza is purchased by Palestinians, vetted and often rejected or held up for months. Israel has calculated the precise minimum necessary caloric intake for Palestinians in Gaza, and has often rejected things like pasta, lentils and coffee. So it's easy to understand why international humanitarian organizations and the activists aboard the aid boats are not about to trust the welfare of Gaza's civilians to Israel's benevolence.

                    The aid boats will have a far greater impact, however, than the 10,000 tons of aid they are bringing to Gaza. The aid boats compel us to have this discussion, a discussion that Israel desperately wants to avoid at a time when its international reputation has never been lower.

                    Hundreds of unarmed civilians carrying humanitarian aid are approaching a blockaded piece of land where 1.5 million civilians suffer from a life of uncertainty and despair, and Israel is going to stop them. While much of the focus on the Israeli-Palestinian issue has been on the settlements, the failed peace process and the long-awaited restart of talks about talks, Gaza has been forgotten. To their credit, the few hundred non-violent activists-turned-sailors have found a way to maximize their power as individuals to force one of the world's most powerful regimes into a corner. Whether the boats make it to Gaza or not, this is a tremendous victory for civil society in international affairs.

                    Headlines and stories covering this confrontation at sea will shift the focus back to Gaza, even if only for a few hours. For Israel, Gaza is the tortured and famished step-child it locks in the basement when visitors arrive, and the activists on these boats seek to expose what Israel is doing in the strip: imposing a draconian siege to collectively punish civilians for political aims.

                    Yousef Munayyer is the Executive Director of the Jerusalem Fund and the Palestine Center

                    "I have heard there are troubles of more than one kind. - Some come from ahead and some come from behind. - But I've bought a big bat. I'm all ready you see. - Now my troubles are going to have troubles with me!" ~ Dr. Seuss
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                    • jhale667
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                      • Aug 2004
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                      #11
                      Originally posted by Jagermeister
                      GAR. Do you ever get tired of people telling you to fuck off?
                      It's the ONLY attention he gets, apart from the librarian kicking him out...
                      Originally posted by conmee
                      If anyone even thinks about deleting the Muff Thread they are banned.... no questions asked.

                      That is all.

                      Icon.
                      Originally posted by GO-SPURS-GO
                      I've seen prominent hypocrite liberal on this site Jhale667


                      Originally posted by Isaac R.
                      Then it's really true??:eek:

                      The Muff Thread is really just GONE ???

                      OMFG...who in their right mind...???
                      Originally posted by eddie78
                      I was wrong about you, brother. You're good.

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                      • Blaze
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                        • Jan 2009
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                        • BigBadBrian
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                          • Jan 2004
                          • 10620

                          #13
                          Since Blaze can get away with posting these graphic pics, I guess it's now OK to post pics of aborted fetuses.

                          BTW, where's the pics of all the Israeli's killed by Islamofascist terrorists? I'll look those up and post those as well.

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                          • chefcraig
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                            • Apr 2004
                            • 12172

                            #14
                            Originally posted by BigBadBrian
                            Fuck what the rest of the world thinks. We should never base our foreign policy on what is popular.
                            That's pretty much my point: The U.S. is doing nothing. We are not basing policy on what is popular, instead we are pussyfooting around offering no comment.

                            Israel has the right to enforce the blockade of the Gaza strip. Boats from Iran are using this route to smuggle in arms to Hamas, such as rockets that are being fired from Gaza into Israel. The only thing I fault Israel with is not going in with enough force. It's obvious these peace activists were spoiling for a fight and ready with clubs and knives. What kind of peace activists carry clubs and knives?
                            What does it matter if they have clubs, knives or slingshots, for that matter? They did not have guns.

                            Israel should take lessons from the US Navy. The USN has been doing maritime interdiction for years, first with the embargo of Iraq during the Saddam years and now with Somali pirates. The Israelis should have boarded that terrorist cruise ship via small boat and instead used the helos to keep the deck clear, with automatic weapons if necessary. Keeping their own people safe should be Israel's priority.
                            I see, your idea is to strafe the deck with automatic weapons in case the unarmed people attempt to defend themselves against armed militiamen. Gotcha.

                            These Turkish terrorists/Hamas sympathizers plan on sending in another boat soon. Let's all hope Israel responds with overwhelming force this time.
                            Right, because that will solve everything. Now there is a foreign policy that makes perfect sense: Two Wrongs Make A Right.
                            Last edited by chefcraig; 06-01-2010, 01:43 PM.









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                            • Jagermeister
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                              • Apr 2010
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                              #15
                              Originally posted by chefcraig
                              That's pretty much my point: The U.S. is doing nothing. We are not basing policy on what is popular, instead we are pussyfooting around offering no comment.
                              I think we are doing exactly what we should be doing.

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