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  • Hardrock69
    DIAMOND STATUS
    • Feb 2005
    • 21838

    The "Wal-Marting" Of Weed In California



    Oakland pot-growing plan worries small bud tenders


    Jul 18, 4:44 PM (ET)

    By LISA LEFF
    OAKLAND, Calif. (AP) - After weathering the fear of federal prosecution and competition from drug cartels, California's medical marijuana growers see a new threat to their tenuous existence: the "Wal-Marting" of weed.

    The Oakland City Council on Tuesday will look at licensing four production plants where pot would be grown, packaged and processed into items ranging from baked goods to body oil. Winning applicants would have to pay $211,000 in annual permit fees, carry $2 million worth of liability insurance and be prepared to devote up to 8 percent of gross sales to taxes.

    The move, and fledgling efforts in other California cities to sanction cannabis cultivation for the first time, has some marijuana advocates worried that regulations intended to bring order to the outlaw industry and new revenues to cash-strapped local governments could drive small "mom and pop" growers out of business. They complain that industrial-scale gardens would harm the environment, reduce quality and leave consumers with fewer strains from which to choose.

    "Nobody wants to see the McDonald's-ization of cannabis," Dan Scully, one of the 400 "patient-growers" who supply Oakland's largest retail medical marijuana dispensary, Harborside Health Center, grumbled after a City Council committee gave the blueprint preliminary approval last week. "I would compare it to how a small business feels about shutting down its business and going to work at Wal-Mart. Who would be attracted to that?"

    The proposal's supporters, including entrepreneurs more disposed to neckties than tie-dye, counter that unregulated growers working in covert warehouses or houses are tax scofflaws more likely to wreak environmental havoc, be motivated purely by profit and produce inferior products.

    "The large-scale grow facilities that are being proposed with this ordinance will create hundreds of jobs for the city," said Ryan Indigo Warman, who teaches pot-growing techniques at iGrow, a hydroponics store whose owners plan to apply for one of the four permits. "The ordinance is good for Oakland, and anyone who says otherwise is only protecting their own interests."

    Council members Rebecca Kaplan and Larry Reid, who introduced the plan, have pitched it largely as a public safety measure.

    The Oakland fire department blames a dramatic rise in the number of electrical fires between 2006 and 2009 in part to marijuana being grown indoors with improperly wired fans and lights. The police department says eight robberies, seven burglaries and two murders have been linked to marijuana grows in the last two years.

    Reid and Kaplan also are open about their desire to have the city, which last week laid off 80 police officers to save money, cash in on the medical marijuana industry it has allowed to thrive.

    Oakland's four retail marijuana stores did $28 million in business last year, and if sales remain constant, the city would get $1.5 million this year from a dispensary business tax that voters adopted last summer. A similar tax on wholesale pot sales from the permitted grow sites to the dispensaries would bring in more than twice that amount, the city administrator's office has estimated.

    "Allowing medical cannabis and medical cannabis products to be produced in a responsible, aboveboard and legitimate way will be a benefit to the patients, to the workers and to the people of Oakland," Kaplan said.

    Adding to the anxiety of growers - and the impetus Oakland officials have to get the grow tax in place - is a November state ballot measure to legalize marijuana possession for adult recreational use and authorize local governments to license and tax non-medical pot sales.

    If it passes, Proposition 19 is expected to feed the state's hearty appetite for marijuana. Backers of creating the four big indoor gardens say the plan is not dependent on legalization, but would benefit from it.

    "The reality is, this is an issue that is going to grow. I would like it to grow here. I would like it to be Oakland business and not the tobacco industry," Councilwoman Jean Quan said.

    Regulating the supply side of the business would represent another turning point in California's complicated, 14-year-old relationship with medical marijuana. Although Maine, New Mexico and Rhode Island license nonprofit groups to produce and distribute cannabis, California's law is silent on cultivation other than for individual use.

    Even as hundreds of storefront pot dispensaries, marijuana delivery services and THC-laced food products have flourished, the question of where they get their stashes remains murky: Inquiring is considered as impolite as asking someone's income or age.

    Industry insiders usually say they rely on a variety of sources, including farmers who grow outdoors in the far northern end of the state, contractors who run sophisticated indoor operations, and customers who grow their own and sell the surplus.

    Officials in Berkeley and Long Beach also are moving take the mystery out of medical marijuana production.

    The Berkeley City Council last week approved a measure for the November ballot that would authorize the city to license and tax six pot cultivation sites. Companies running the facilities must agree to give away some pot to low-income users, employ organic gardening methods to the extent possible and offset in some way the large amount of electricity needed to grow weed.

    Long Beach officials want to reduce the amount of medical marijuana being sold in the city that isn't grown there.

    The city is in the process of trying to whittle its more than 90 dispensaries down to no more than 35 marijuana collectives through a lottery. License winners will be required to grow either at their retail sites or elsewhere in Long Beach and to open their books to prove they aren't growing more than enough to supply their members, said Lori Ann Farrell, Long Beach's director of financial management.
  • Hardrock69
    DIAMOND STATUS
    • Feb 2005
    • 21838

    #2
    Oakland votes to permit large marijuana farms





    By EVELYN NIEVES (AP) – 3 hours ago

    SAN FRANCISCO — Oakland has moved closer to becoming the first city in the nation to authorize wholesale pot cultivation.

    The Oakland City Council voted 5-2 with one abstention late Tuesday in favor of a plan to license four production plants where marijuana would be grown, packaged and processed.

    The vote came after more than two hours of public comment, with speakers divided between those who opposed the measure — largely on the grounds that it would put small medical marijuana growers out of business — and those who said it would generate millions of dollars for Oakland in taxes and sales and create hundreds of jobs.

    The plants would not be limited in size — one potential applicant for a license wants to open a plant that would produce over 21,000 pounds of pot a year — but they would be heavily taxed and regulated.

    Those vying for one of the four licenses would have to pay $211,000 in annual permit fees, carry $2 million worth of liability insurance and be prepared to devote up to 8 percent of gross sales to taxes.

    Proponents of the measure also touted the possibility of Oakland becoming the nation's cannabis capital, especially if California voters approve the legalization of recreational marijuana in November.

    "Do you want to be the "Silicon Valley of Cannabis?" said Jeff Wilcox, a local businessman who wants to build "AgraMed," a 7.4-acre plant with a bakery, a lab and 100,000 square feet of cultivation space.

    But Stephen DeAngelo, executive director of Harborside Health Center, the largest medical marijuana dispensary in the world, said small growers were coming to him terrified that the ordinance would mean the end of their livelihoods.

    One of the co-sponsors of the ordinance, Rebecca Kaplan, said the ordinance would not take effect until January, giving the council time to come up with a plan for medium-sized growers.

    Councilwoman Nancy Nadel said she worried about quality of the product, wanted environmental protections and questioned why the council was voting on the measure now if it wasn't going to take effect until January.

    The measure will go before the council one more time for a final vote, but the outcome isn't expected to change.

    I think the above is all well and good, but as long as it is legal to grow your own, the market is going to be limited, and I seriously doubt there will be a major Wal-Mart effect.

    Heck, if I could grow my own Afghani-Thai cross-strain, why the fuck would I buy? But that is just me. Many peeps would want to be able to just pop on down to the liquor store and buy some joints, without having to go through all the trouble of being a gardener.

    Thing is, as mentioned in the first article, they are not just going to grow it for smoking. They also will be growing it for edible products, and I am sure they will begin growing for industrial stuff like paper and cloth, which are WAY more durable than paper made from trees, or cotton.
    Last edited by Hardrock69; 07-21-2010, 08:35 AM.

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    • Blaze
      Full Member Status

      • Jan 2009
      • 4371

      #3
      If people were so inclined to grow things, there would be a serious reduction in grocery stores.

      People who won't grow tomatoes, won't grow pot.
      "I have heard there are troubles of more than one kind. - Some come from ahead and some come from behind. - But I've bought a big bat. I'm all ready you see. - Now my troubles are going to have troubles with me!" ~ Dr. Seuss
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      • Hardrock69
        DIAMOND STATUS
        • Feb 2005
        • 21838

        #4
        VERY true. We live in a consumer society. AND, they are getting into the business of Corporate Weed Farming before anyone else. Man, the tax revenue from that is going to be extreme!

        Heck, it already is just for the dispensaries that exist around Cali. Picked up the current issue of High Times the other day, and they have an article on it.

        Thing is, due to the overhead of these places, they are charging 75 bucks an eighth.
        Granted, it is going to be killer weed, but there will be a lot of mom and pop operations who will be able to sell their stuff for much less, and more people than not who want to grow, after growing goes mainstream, will get on it.

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        • BITEYOASS
          ROTH ARMY ELITE
          • Jan 2004
          • 6529

          #5
          I wish I could start my own cult/co-op community, in which everyone works on a self-sustaining farm that grows weed, food, fixes firearms, makes ammo, brews beer & wine, weekly orgies and blasts loud kick-ass music.

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          • Blaze
            Full Member Status

            • Jan 2009
            • 4371

            #6
            Manson, is that you? When did you get out of jail?
            "I have heard there are troubles of more than one kind. - Some come from ahead and some come from behind. - But I've bought a big bat. I'm all ready you see. - Now my troubles are going to have troubles with me!" ~ Dr. Seuss
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            • Hardrock69
              DIAMOND STATUS
              • Feb 2005
              • 21838

              #7
              Actually there ARE co-ops in Cali, whose purpose is to grow and distribute weed to medical patients who cannot afford it.

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              • PETE'S BROTHER
                DIAMOND STATUS
                • Feb 2007
                • 12678

                #8
                it is gonna crush all the little guys tho. my buddy at work was gonna set sumthin' up with a friend in cali.
                Another one of those classic genius posts, sure to generate responses. You log on the next day to see what your witty gem has produced to find no one gets it and 2 knotheads want to stick their dicks in it... Well played, sir!!

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                • PETE'S BROTHER
                  DIAMOND STATUS
                  • Feb 2007
                  • 12678

                  #9
                  " mota mart" for their disp. name.
                  Another one of those classic genius posts, sure to generate responses. You log on the next day to see what your witty gem has produced to find no one gets it and 2 knotheads want to stick their dicks in it... Well played, sir!!

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                  • BITEYOASS
                    ROTH ARMY ELITE
                    • Jan 2004
                    • 6529

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Blaze
                    Manson, is that you? When did you get out of jail?
                    No, I'm the re-incarnation of Jim Morrison.

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                    • BITEYOASS
                      ROTH ARMY ELITE
                      • Jan 2004
                      • 6529

                      #11
                      I forgot to mention solar/wind/shit powered. Fuck the grid, I want off of it.

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                      • Hardrock69
                        DIAMOND STATUS
                        • Feb 2005
                        • 21838

                        #12
                        Wish I could get off the fucking grid.

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                        • Igosplut
                          ROTH ARMY WEBMASTER

                          • Jan 2004
                          • 2793

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Hardrock69
                          Wish I could get off the fucking grid.
                          I have a friend in Tombstone that does just that.....
                          Chainsaw Muthuafucka

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                          • Diamondjimi
                            DIAMOND STATUS
                            • May 2004
                            • 12086

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Hardrock69
                            Thing is, due to the overhead of these places, they are charging 75 bucks an eighth.
                            Fuck that shit!
                            I can get an ounce of Canada's finest for $180.
                            Trolls take heed...LOG OUT & FUCK OFF!!!

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                            • PETE'S BROTHER
                              DIAMOND STATUS
                              • Feb 2007
                              • 12678

                              #15
                              $300/OZ here
                              Another one of those classic genius posts, sure to generate responses. You log on the next day to see what your witty gem has produced to find no one gets it and 2 knotheads want to stick their dicks in it... Well played, sir!!

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