Will the real Obama please stand up...

[ELVIS]

If (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704658704576275061542909404.html?m od=WSJ_Opinion_LEADTop) it is true, as Michelle Obama said in February, that her husband isn't smoking anymore, maybe he'd better start mellowing out with the cigs again before it costs him the presidency.

http://www.jmichaelnelson.com/Obama_angry.jpg

The Barack Obama we've been seeing lately is a different personality than the one that made a miracle run to the White House in 2008.

Obama.2008 was engaging, patient, open, optimistic and a self-identified conciliator.

Obama.2011 has been something else—testy, petulant, impatient, arrogant and increasingly a divider.

Never forget: That historic 2008 victory came with 52.9% of the total vote and 52% of independent voters. David Axelrod recently noted "how small the margin for error is."

Presidential personality is well inside the margin of error for 2012, but the one on display recently has not been attractive. And it's happening a lot.

This Monday, after wrapping up a White House interview with a Dallas TV reporter, the station reported that Mr. Obama said: "Let me finish my answers the next time we do an interview, alright?"

This self-referencing, snappish tone tracks with the president's "open mic" comments last week at a Chicago fund-raiser. Dismissing the GOP as "nickel and diming" him on budget negotiations, he asked, "You think we're stupid?" White House Press Secretary Jay Carney said the president wasn't embarrassed. But he should be. Not because his comments were caught, but because suddenly he's sounding more like Travis Bickle ("You talkin' to me?") than the president of the United States.

The Obama migration from the high road to the low road is evident even in nonpolitical settings. Here he is last weekend talking about the White House phone system: "You know the Oval Office always thought I was going to have like real cool phones and stuff. I'm like 'come on guys, I'm the president of the United States.' Where's the fancy buttons and stuff, and the big screen comes up? It doesn't happen."

I'm like? Real cool phones and stuff? Would Franklin Roosevelt or John F. Kennedy ever have affected whatever their generational equivalent was of "Where's the fancy buttons and stuff?"

Some will say that this is making a mountain out of a molehill, that polls show independent voters like his proposals to tax the rich and keep every entitlement intact. But if we have learned anything in the media age, it's that molehills can send anyone to a destructive fall, even presidents. Ask George W. Bush about just two defining words: mission accomplished.

In 2007-08, Obama's high-toned, consistent persona was everything. What else was there? Barack Obama took a blank slate and wrote a masterpiece of a presidential campaign across it. From nothing, this fresh Obama persona defeated the familiar, experienced Hillary Clinton in the primaries. In the general election, he ran famously on "hope and change," gave a stirring speech on race in America, and persuaded enough moderate and independent voters to turn 2008 into a "historic" American election.

Barack Obama had levitated himself above the usual, dispiriting muck of politics. This new person seemed to be precisely what a disgusted electorate wanted. Candidate Obama embedded that image in the American psyche. He built it. He fed it.

Now he's deconstructing himself into another Obama. The latest Obama, which seems genuine, routinely ridicules and mocks his opposition. He mocks pretty much anyone who disagrees with him about anything.

Last week, official Washington gathered at George Washington University to hear the president make his contribution to the fiscal-policy debate. What they got was something else (just as the members of the Supreme Court got something else at last year's State of the Union speech). The person who said memorably in 2008 that there were no red states or blue states gave a speech essentially reading the Republicans out of the American political system. "This is not a vision of the America I know."

The political left lapped it up. Finally, wrote the progressive punditariat, Barack Obama was acting like their guy, willing to get in the face of the American right. At last, an American president was calling out conservatism as nothing less than a violation of "the basic social compact in America."

Gallup just reported that the Obama approval rate among independent voters stands at 35%. The conventional reply to this is that the American people fundamentally "like" Barack Obama, or that the GOP candidate will make the election an unlikability Olympics.

What voters like is the memory of the historic Obama they voted into the office of the presidency. The person they voted for in 2008 is different than the person who kicked off his presidential campaign last week by personally stomping his opposition.

Somehow voters are apparently expected to "like" whichever version Mr. Obama chooses to give them. It is asking a lot. By definition, this is a gap, and it's looking like it could be a dangerous one for the incumbent.


:elvis:

[lesfunk]

Will the real Obama please go fuck himself

[Nitro Express]

Probably the best description of Barrack Obama is a con artist. Why would a person from nice warm climates move to Chicago? Because crooks can thrive in Chicago. The crooked political machine attracted Barry Soetoro or whoever he is there. Barry is turning out to be the worst of character even amongst criminals. We expected him to be unloyal to the average American and he has been. He's thrown his own party under the bus by starting another illegal war and expanding the Bush wars, failing to close Gitmo, and using socialized healthcare as an excuse to empower the politically connected insurance companies and drug companies. He's fucked the Democratic Party raw. Not only that but his supporters in Chicago hate the guy for being unloyal. Nobody trusts Obama nor should they. He's loyal to nobody. The good news is a person of such shoddy character ends up painting themselves in a corner and they self destruct. I think we are seeing the early stages of Obama's self-destruction. He's starting to crack and it's showing.

The downfall of a con artist is they become addicted to screwing people. The good ones get overconfident and take the con too far. They go past the point of no return and then it's becomes harder to keep the lies straight and cover their bases. They also start to believe their own bullshit and in the the end, they actually con themselves.

At the end of the day, especially when times are tough which they are character matters. All of the great leaders in history who did good things had character. They were not con artists wearing whatever mask fit the current situation. They stood for something. Barrack Obama stands for nothing. He doesn't even know who he is. Hell, we don't even know who he is. All we know is he is a liar and an opportunists. Not what we need in these challenging times.

[ashstralia]

as an outside observer, the parallels between your gov't and ours are starting to make me a little uncomfortable... bush/howard and now rudd/gillard/obama.. it's almost uncanny. oh well, one world here we come.

[ELVIS]

Maybe the first half black president will get shot by his half white self...:biggrin:

[Kristy]

So the guy is a douche. And this is news?

[ELVIS]

Yes, I don't want him back in office...

[ashstralia]

So the guy is a douche. And this is news?
meh, it's fun to talk about at 2am...

[ashstralia]

ok, 'the donald' is getting a lot of airtime over here. would he be a good pres?

[ELVIS]

He'd be better that Obama but that's not saying much...

[Nitro Express]

as an outside observer, the parallels between your gov't and ours are starting to make me a little uncomfortable... bush/howard and now rudd/gillard/obama.. it's almost uncanny. oh well, one world here we come.

They are nothing more than con artists and paid actors put in office by multi-national corporations and banks. Easy to do when you flood the world with low interest rates and cheap money. But now the jobs are disappearing, the banks aren't loaning to the little guy, and that money they print from nothing buys less. Maybe their endgame is to make things so shitty for the average citizen that they think we will come begging for their new sollution of an International Monetary Fund currency called the Bancor. They might even say it's backed by gold to sweeten the deal. If this is their plan it's doomed to failure in my opinion. Also, it seems like China, Russia, and India don't want the west to have a second chance at running the world through their banking system. They don't seem to want to play ball.

There's two things at play. Either stupidity and greed ruined the western banking system or they intentionally ruined it to consolidate it. If anything we see these head honchos behind these trade groups and central banks as either incompetent fools or colluding evil tyrants. Either way, it's time to take our countries back and tell their paid actor, con men politicians to fuck off. I think most people in the world see the charade known as globalism and no it's not good for most people in the world. It only enriches a few. Ask those Chinese employees who jump off the roof of the factory how globalism and new trade is treating them.

[ELVIS]

Not to mention the inflation that is about to eat everyone...just as planned...

[Nitro Express]

ok, 'the donald' is getting a lot of airtime over here. would he be a good pres?

My wife has a friend that works for his beauty pageant division. Trump owns a couple beauty pageants. From what I hear Mr. Trump is a high energy person. A real workaholic with an amazing memory. My wife's friend dealt more with Trump's daughter Ivanka than Doanald Trump and had nothing but good to say about her. Apparently she is a very nice person and has no snobbish attitude about her. I also hear she's really smart.

[ashstralia]

one thing i think about too is what happens when everyone's got a nice beemer and a house? all these factories pumping out crap we don't really need? up until a few years ago i drove a beautifully maintained 40 year old car. now they're mandated off the road.

[ELVIS]

I'm suprised they haven't done that here...

[ELVIS]

http://img.breitbart.com/images/2011/4/22/CNG.087c2b4b50f4e4fda200b43e4e246e56.861/photo_1303458813041-1-1.jpg

[Nitro Express]

Not to mention the inflation that is about to eat everyone...just as planned...

I remember when I was a freshman in college taking macro economics and we were taught the Federal Reserve's primary purpose was to avoid depressions. They said the Fed was supposed to take the punch bow away when the party got too wild. Nothing could be further from the truth. This depression was caused by the Federal Reserve and other central banks. They dropped the interests rates too low and kept them low too long. The only thing that keeps it going it they put the losses on us and future tax payers. It's interesting that in 1913 we got the Federal Reserve and the Income Tax Act at the same time. Much like Obamacare, over a holiday. In short the Fed has destroyed the US economy and now threatens to destroy the United States as a whole. Also, interesting enough congress can't even audit the fucker so yeah, something is clearly wrong with the picture.

The thing is increadable debt is the result of increadable fraud. It's impossible to pay the debt off and much of it is fraud to begin with. So we need to crack open these central banks and see what happened. This is where I like Ron Paul. I also like Donald Trump because he knows we don't have to trash the United States to fix the financial problems. You aren't going to hear any global solutions from him. He knows it's a lot of flim flam.

In short, the world got suckered by a handful of con artists. Many of them from some old money families who have been playing their games for a long time. It's time we throw them in jail and take our stollen assets back. If they lose control of the politicians, we got them.

[Nitro Express]

http://img.breitbart.com/images/2011/4/22/CNG.087c2b4b50f4e4fda200b43e4e246e56.861/photo_1303458813041-1-1.jpg

Good to see some Democrats get it.

[Nitro Express]

one thing i think about too is what happens when everyone's got a nice beemer and a house? all these factories pumping out crap we don't really need? up until a few years ago i drove a beautifully maintained 40 year old car. now they're mandated off the road.

You can't drive a classic car on the road there? I have an 81 year old car and the state even gives me and exemption on yearly registration. You buy the plate once. They want to get us out of our cars all together or get us into cars they can shut the ignition off by remote control.

[Nitro Express]

I remember being in Moscow and commenting about the lavish train stations they have there. Stalin called them the people's palaces. Control freaks like public transportation because they can control where people go and then give them the illusion of progress with grand stations. The excuse is saving the planet or sacrificing for the greater good to propagate the scheme. The result is rarely good. Public transportation needs to be accepted by the people rather than it pushed on them. If the train becomes a better alternative than sitting in traffic then people will use it. I'm against government mandated programs against people's will. History always shows, it sucks no matter how it's sold. When they tell me I can't choose what kind of light bulb to use and want government inspectors in my home to save the planet for carbon emissions they can get fucked.

[ashstralia]

You can't drive a classic car on the road there?

you can, nitro. but gradually over the last 20 years or so [in my state] the registration procedure has become so tight that most people give up, scrap the car and buy a 10 year old camry. it's at the point now where they're testing exhaust gas ratios. there are exemptions for 'veteran' vehicles, but that involves jumping through a lot of hoops that your average joe daily driver doesn't bother with. don't you have some kind of 'cash for clunkers' deal?

[ashstralia]

and the way they push 'green' as a new faith, the trendoids get suckered right in. we all know you could spend a bazillion quintillion dollars on global warming and it wouldn't change anything for 100 years, yeah?

[ELVIS]

And the earth isn't even warming...

[Satan]

ok, 'the donald' is getting a lot of airtime over here. would he be a good pres?

Would you trust the economy to a guy who managed to bankrupt a casino?? http://www.cosgan.de/images/smilie/teufel/d025.gif

Now having said that, there IS one legitimate issue that Trump has been raising in all of the free publicity his so-called "Presidential campaign" is getting......

No, not the birth certificate nonsense. More like the ridiculous "free trade" policies, and how tariffs would be a good thing. Now there's a legitimate issue that intelligent people from all points in the political spectrum can support.

[Satan]

And the earth isn't even warming...

Yeah, just keep telling yourself that. If the Kochsuckers in Congress get their way, Earth's going to feel like a suburb of Hell before too long. http://www.cosgan.de/images/smilie/teufel/d010.gif

[ashstralia]

Would you trust the economy to a guy who managed to bankrupt a casino??

a casino where the house loses?? sign me up. immediately.:biggrin:

[Satan]

Trump doesn't need to be President, he needs to be in charge of Wall $treet. Since he knows how to bankrupt casinos, turn him loose on the one that NEEDS to be bankrupted.

[chefcraig]

No, not the birth certificate nonsense.

http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/3498/birt.gif (http://img24.imageshack.us/i/birt.gif/)

http://img546.imageshack.us/img546/6638/dooooon.gif (http://img546.imageshack.us/i/dooooon.gif/)

[Satan]

Well, I guess we won't be seeing Gary Trudeau on Celebrity Apprentice anytime soon. http://www.cosgan.de/images/smilie/teufel/d025.gif

[ELVIS]

Would you trust the economy to a guy who managed to bankrupt a casino??

Is that how you're going to package it ??

[Nitro Express]

Well the Vegas casinos aren't doing any better. The MGM and a few others are in bankruptsy. Too much overhead and too much competition. Atlantic City and Vegas no longer hold the market share they used to.

The internet is what killed traditional gaming and porn. Plus, casinos are just full of computer games anyways. They provide table games but the dealers are like robots. Once Vegas became a shopping mall, it lost it's appeal.

[Satan]

Mr. Presley, do you seriously believe Donald Trump would be a good President? http://www.cosgan.de/images/smilie/teufel/d070.gif

[Nitro Express]

Trump doesn't need to be President, he needs to be in charge of Wall $treet. Since he knows how to bankrupt casinos, turn him loose on the one that NEEDS to be bankrupted.

Wall Street did go bankrupt. They got bailed out by Bush and Obama. Remember?

[Nitro Express]

you can, nitro. but gradually over the last 20 years or so [in my state] the registration procedure has become so tight that most people give up, scrap the car and buy a 10 year old camry. it's at the point now where they're testing exhaust gas ratios. there are exemptions for 'veteran' vehicles, but that involves jumping through a lot of hoops that your average joe daily driver doesn't bother with. don't you have some kind of 'cash for clunkers' deal?

The cash for clunkers deal was just a temporary scheme to inspire people to buy a new car they can't afford from the new GM. Government Motors. It was more political showbiz than anything of substance. I actually see a lot more older cars than I used to. Back in the days of easy financing and leasing people were driving more new cars. In fact why General Motors went belly up was not the cars, it was their financial division. They made too many bad loans.

I have a couple old cars. A 1920 Model T Ford, A 1930 Model A Ford, A 1932 Model B Ford, A 1934 Ford Coupe V8 (The same model Bonnie and Clyde were shot in), and a 1979 Lamborghini Countach (original leather is in pristine condition, I even have the factory original windshield breaking tool that came with the car).

[ELVIS]

Mr. Presley, do you seriously believe Donald Trump would be a good President? http://www.cosgan.de/images/smilie/teufel/d070.gif

Better that Obama...

[Nitro Express]

Mr. Presley, do you seriously believe Donald Trump would be a good President? http://www.cosgan.de/images/smilie/teufel/d070.gif

What would make him a bad president? He's saying what everyone else is too scared to bring up. He's specifically pointing out why we don't have enough jobs for our population. Why fuel is so costly and he's talking about specific solutions. Other politicians basically tell us we have no choice but to be a debtor slave to China. At least Trump points out their currency manipulation and unfair trade practices. If anything, Donald is fun to watch when he rips people. I hope he runs just for entertainment purposes and he's shoved Sarah Palin off the soap box which is wonderful in itself.

[Nitro Express]

Better that Obama...

We had the worst president in US history for two terms. George W. Bush. He essentially turned the US into a police state. Then we get this con artist Obama (what he's calling himself at the moment) and he continues the police state while ratcheting the leash tighter and spends more money than all the previous presidents combined. He's basically trashing the store by ruining the value of the inventory or selling it off to his friends. Our family dog would be a better president. I would even pay for the dog food out of my own pocket. If our dog was president it would have done far less damage than the last two presidents.

[ELVIS]

What did you expect from a half-black bastard ??

[Nitro Express]

What did you expect from a half-black bastard ??

Who's parents both were communists.

[ELVIS]

Exactly...

[Nitro Express]

But with Barrack nothing is simple. You can see his communist upbringing because he loves big government having it's way even if the citizens oppose it. He comes from this "We are smarter than you so buck up" state of mind. But then he gives the fascist bankers everything they want. So I would say he's a fascist in reality but he's obviously not calling the shots himself, he's a clearly a puppet.

We need to go back to presidents who are real leaders and appoint their staff themselves. We have given these political parties too much power over the executive office.

[Satan]

Communist upbringing? You mean his WWII veteran grandfather? Yeah, that guy was straight outa Moscow http://www.cosgan.de/images/smilie/teufel/d025.gif

[Nitro Express]

His mother was an outspoken communist at Mercer Island high school in Seattle and he father was a communist in Africa.

[hambon4lif]

His mother was an outspoken communist at Mercer Island high school in Seattle and he father was a communist in Africa.:lmao:
Top-shelf humor at its fucking finest!

People who claim to be educated, bitching about the black president......in EBONICS!!

This is motherfucking 24-karat comedy gold!

[Nitro Express]

Glad you liked it. I didn't know leaving a T out could be so entertaining.

[ELVIS]

No, this is ebonics:

Yo His motha wuz uh outspoken communist at Mercer Island high skoo in Seattle an' his father wuz uh communist in da Motherland...

Don' make me come ova there bitch...


:elvis:

[Satan]

His father.. who he met once when he was 10 years old. Yeah, he had to be a huge influence. http://www.cosgan.de/images/smilie/teufel/d025.gif

[ELVIS]

He lived with his father when he identified as a muslim named Barry and went to school in indonesia, didn't he...

[Satan]

He lived with his father when he identified as a muslim named Barry and went to school in indonesia, didn't he...

No. He lived with his mother and stepfather in Indonesia, and he never identified as Muslim.

Nobody knows religion like The Devil, so you can take my word for that. http://www.cosgan.de/images/smilie/teufel/d025.gif

[ELVIS]

and he never identified as Muslim.

you can take my word for that.

Bullshit! I can dig up the proof...

[ELVIS]

:elvis:

[ELVIS]

http://einhornpress.com/images/obama%20reg%20doc%20labeled.jpg

[Nitro Express]

Indonesia is a Muslim country. Barry probably had a tough childhood. Could you imagine having a mom like that who moved you around all the time and not a very stable father situation? I mean you are going to be looking for stability as a kid and when a lot of your friends have a hub they are anchored to you may want that for yourself. I can see where he was attracted to Islam and in the same situation we probably would have done the same thing.

One of the best neighbors I ever had was a Muslim. When I lived in New York the Muslims there were very nice to me. My personal experience with Muslims has been pretty positive but then of course these people were moderate ones. I think fundamentalism in any religion has it's dangers. I grew up in a Christian religion that pretty much viewed itself and the only true church and it's mission was to fill the earth. I hate that shit with a passion.

[FORD]

:elvis:

I know I'm arguing with a ghost in a white sheet here, but that's fucking ridiculous to call that "proof".

His father was Muslim. His stepfather was Muslim. He has other relatives who are Muslim. He is not.

So he's read the Quran? So have I. I'm not a Muslim. Not that there is anything WRONG with being Muslim, as he points out in this crappily edited hodge podge.

And how do you figure that a school named after a Catholic saint (Francis of Assisi) is a "Muslim Madrassa "

Oh, BTW, Bridget Gabriel (NOT her real name) is a delusional cunt on the Pat Robertson payroll.

[FORD]

Oh, BTW Elvis...... if you're going to register an alias, try to pick one a little less obvious than the one you just did........ :lmao: