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  • dazzlindino
    Head Fluffer
    • Jul 2009
    • 311

    political party

    What would your platform be to start a new political party.
    The ones we have now have pretty much proven themselves useless and corrupt.
    From giving billions to foreign countries and oil company subsidies to creating minimum wage jobs...
    WTF with these idiots......
    I want my music waking up the dead.....dont tell me to turn it down
  • binnie
    DIAMOND STATUS
    • May 2006
    • 19144

    #2
    I don't know that I have a platform worked out, but one thing I'd like to see is some form of compulsory national service (2 years) to be completed between the age of 18 and 25.

    It wouldn't have to be military, it could be working in communities: fire department, hospitals, social work and so on.

    That way every young person in the country would gain the following: experience of routine and work, and how rewarding that can be (which could go someway to resolving problems of long-term and inter-generational unemployment); and sense of discipline (especially if it was military); a sense of world being bigger than themselves; a sense of investment in the system.

    I think that could go some way to solving quite a few social and cultural problems, personally.

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    Other than that, I would really like to see some major re-thinking of policy towards drugs. The 'war' is failing miserably: perhaps it is time to consider legalization and regulation? That way, it takes the money and power away from gangs and organized crime by opening a free market; and, by lowering the price of drugs, also makes the need to commit crime to fund a habit less of a necessity.
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    • FORD
      ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

      • Jan 2004
      • 58755

      #3
      I'd like to see a new party made up out of environmentalists, organized labor, and left-Libertarians (NOT the Randtards!).

      Or in other words, what the Democratic party was before 1992
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      • PETE'S BROTHER
        DIAMOND STATUS
        • Feb 2007
        • 12682

        #4
        down here it would be rock or dirt
        Another one of those classic genius posts, sure to generate responses. You log on the next day to see what your witty gem has produced to find no one gets it and 2 knotheads want to stick their dicks in it... Well played, sir!!

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        • FORD
          ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

          • Jan 2004
          • 58755

          #5
          Originally posted by PETE'S BROTHER
          down here it would be rock or dirt
          And the dirt would get washed away in monsoon season.
          Eat Us And Smile

          Cenk For America 2024!!

          Justice Democrats


          "If the American people had ever known the truth about what we (the BCE) have done to this nation, we would be chased down in the streets and lynched." - Poppy Bush, 1992

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          • PETE'S BROTHER
            DIAMOND STATUS
            • Feb 2007
            • 12682

            #6
            even those have lass funding and are less effective over the years. i remember phenomenal storms in late 90s early 00s
            Another one of those classic genius posts, sure to generate responses. You log on the next day to see what your witty gem has produced to find no one gets it and 2 knotheads want to stick their dicks in it... Well played, sir!!

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            • FORD
              ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

              • Jan 2004
              • 58755

              #7
              I remember the street my grandmother lived on got washed out every year in the 80's until they finally wised up and paved the damn thing, because laying down the blacktop once was cheaper in the long run than completely rebuilding the dirt & gravel all the time.
              Eat Us And Smile

              Cenk For America 2024!!

              Justice Democrats


              "If the American people had ever known the truth about what we (the BCE) have done to this nation, we would be chased down in the streets and lynched." - Poppy Bush, 1992

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              • Blaze
                Full Member Status

                • Jan 2009
                • 4371

                #8
                Political parties should be illegal.
                "I have heard there are troubles of more than one kind. - Some come from ahead and some come from behind. - But I've bought a big bat. I'm all ready you see. - Now my troubles are going to have troubles with me!" ~ Dr. Seuss
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                • binnie
                  DIAMOND STATUS
                  • May 2006
                  • 19144

                  #9
                  How would the political system work without parties?
                  The Power Of The Riff Compels Me

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                  • SunisinuS
                    Crazy Ass Mofo
                    • May 2010
                    • 3302

                    #10
                    Enthusiasm is needed for any Political system. Ask Thoreau while you are reading Robinson Crusoe at the next party you attend.

                    I think of politics as old man's gossip. They sit around in coffee shops and bitch. The rest of the populace is out and about doing. Making music, making babies, making things for their neighbors and future neighbors happen just for the simple joy of simple work.

                    Work is not hard, being a blow-hard is easy.

                    So the whole grassroots thing is over rated. Serve your term in congress and go home. Help wherever you are, and set your self on a course that would make YOU proud.

                    Asking for votes to me seems just a game; we all can do it. Singing and finding a chorus is everybody's job. So where does that politician fit in?

                    Shamans I get. Politicians.....better just leave them to the revolution.

                    And sorry Binnie....I cannot answer your question. I just have to think about it more.



                    But the national service Idea I think is excellent. Integration
                    should not be a reviled word. Then go off and you what you like.
                    Last edited by SunisinuS; 05-21-2011, 01:26 PM. Reason: Easy work to make a cult.
                    Can't Control your Future. Can't Control your Friends. The women start to hike their skirts up. I didn't have a clue. That is when I kinda learned how to smile a lot. One Two Three Fouir fun ter thehr fuur.

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                    • ThrillsNSpills
                      ROTH ARMY ELITE
                      • Jan 2004
                      • 6626

                      #11
                      Originally posted by dazzlindino
                      What would your platform be to start a new political party.
                      The ones we have now have pretty much proven themselves useless and corrupt.
                      From giving billions to foreign countries and oil company subsidies to creating minimum wage jobs...
                      WTF with these idiots......
                      it's the stuff we aren't told that concerns me.

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                      • Blaze
                        Full Member Status

                        • Jan 2009
                        • 4371

                        #12
                        Suni, the tourist and gypsy, You did not even put one drop of research into your reply. Nor pay/bribe/extort/S.E. anyone to complete your work for you.
                        Moreover, you did not bring up the subject of no political parties. Sew your own dress to wear. M'kay. Thx.
                        "I have heard there are troubles of more than one kind. - Some come from ahead and some come from behind. - But I've bought a big bat. I'm all ready you see. - Now my troubles are going to have troubles with me!" ~ Dr. Seuss
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                        • Blaze
                          Full Member Status

                          • Jan 2009
                          • 4371

                          #13
                          Originally posted by binnie
                          How would the political system work without parties?
                          I do not have that paper indexed. I'll write another one soon.
                          In the mean time, here are some authored notes about what others thought about political parties.

                          Paper Mage asks:
                          Which of the Founding Fathers were against political parties?

                          staisil answered:
                          They were against political parties; especially George Washingtonin his Farewell Address.

                          Warns against the party system. "It serves to distract the Public Councils, and enfeeble the Public Administration....agitates the Community with ill-founded jealousies and false alarms; kindles the animosity of one....against another....it opens the door to foreign influence and corruption...thus the policy and the will of one country are subjected to the policy and will of another."



                          Washington's Farewell Address was similar to one he had prepared at the end of his first term, when he had considered retiring from office. Toward the close

                          {What} arguments did the founding fathers have against political parties?

                          Answer
                          Our Founding Fathers called political parties "factions" because they believed that such groups that held differing opinions were harmful to our national unity. In Federalist Paper Number Ten, James Madison argued against political parties. He said , "The public good is disregarded in the conflicts of rival parties . . ." In his Farewell Address, George Washington also warned against the creation of political parties. He called them "baneful," very harmful, for the nation.
                          MrV
                          Kelly, They believed that parties, factions as they called them, would be bad for republican self government because people could become more loyal to their party than the country and more concerned for the party's power than the good of the common weal. Michael Montagne Per the previous comment, the founding fathers knew that factions would naturally develop. See federalist paper #10. Madison describes faction as "...a number of citizens, whether amounting to a majority or a minority of the whole, who are united and actuated by some common impulse of passion, or of interest, adversed to the rights of other citizens, or to the permanent and aggregate interests of the community." Madison also said, "There are again two methods of removing the causes of faction: the one, by destroying the liberty which is essential to its existence; the other, by giving to every citizen the same opinions, the same passions, and the same interests." Because neither of these are possible factions must exist. However, the way to maintain a balance of power is through a "multiplicity of faction." If they are all fighting for the same power, factions will give a little to gain a little. If the founding fathers established political parties, they would grow in power too rapidly to control and before you knew it the government would become an oligarchy - rule of the few, and/or tyrannical.
                          Political parties and elections

                          The United States Constitution has never formally addressed the issue of political parties, primarily because the Founding Fathers did not originally intend for American politics to be partisan. In Federalist Papers No. 9 and No. 10, Alexander Hamilton and James Madison, respectively, wrote specifically about the dangers of domestic political factions. In addition, the first President of the United States, George Washington, was not a member of any political party at the time of his election or throughout his tenure as president. Furthermore, he hoped that political parties would not be formed, fearing conflict and stagnation.[17] Nevertheless, the beginnings of the American two-party system emerged from his immediate circle of advisers, including Hamilton and Madison.




                          "I have heard there are troubles of more than one kind. - Some come from ahead and some come from behind. - But I've bought a big bat. I'm all ready you see. - Now my troubles are going to have troubles with me!" ~ Dr. Seuss
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                          • FORD
                            ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

                            • Jan 2004
                            • 58755

                            #14
                            The problem isn't so much parties in and of themselves as it is a candidate running as a member of one party, and then looking like the other party when he or she is in office..

                            Realistically, I don't see a way to eliminate the existence of political parties. But that doesn't mean certain parties themselves shouldn't be eliminated. The Republican party is way beyond redeemable, and the Democratic party (at least "inside the Beltway") coming damn close to it.
                            Eat Us And Smile

                            Cenk For America 2024!!

                            Justice Democrats


                            "If the American people had ever known the truth about what we (the BCE) have done to this nation, we would be chased down in the streets and lynched." - Poppy Bush, 1992

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                            • SunisinuS
                              Crazy Ass Mofo
                              • May 2010
                              • 3302

                              #15
                              "Suni, the tourist and gypsy, You did not even put one drop of research into your reply. Nor pay/bribe/extort/S.E. anyone to complete your work for you.
                              Moreover, you did not bring up the subject of no political parties. Sew your own dress to wear. M'kay. Thx." - Blaze (aka the meth pipe wielder).

                              Least I know how to sew. Your lips shut. And being this Guy Blaze, does not make your case.

                              Last edited by SunisinuS; 05-22-2011, 11:54 AM. Reason: wth is a "drop" of research...comedy...put the pipe down.
                              Can't Control your Future. Can't Control your Friends. The women start to hike their skirts up. I didn't have a clue. That is when I kinda learned how to smile a lot. One Two Three Fouir fun ter thehr fuur.

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