Kucinich says "No" to permanent Global war

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  • lesfunk
    Full Member Status

    • Jan 2004
    • 3583

    Kucinich says "No" to permanent Global war

    Rep. Dennis Kucinich

    U.S. House Representative

    Saying No to Permanent Global War
    Posted: 05/20/11 03:05 PM ET


    The House is expected to vote soon on a bill that hands over to the president Congress' constitutional authority to declare and authorize war, substantially altering the delicate balance of powers that the Founding Fathers envisioned.

    The annual reauthorization of the Department of Defense contains unprecedented and dangerous language that gives the president virtually unchecked power to take the country to war and keep us there. This bill significantly undermines the Constitution, the institution of Congress and sets the United States on a path of permanent war.

    The Fiscal Year 2012 National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) declares that the United States is in an armed conflict with not only al Qaeda and the Taliban, but "associated forces" and individuals, organizations and nations that support such forces. The president could then have the full legal authority to send American troops to engage in acts of war anywhere--Yemen, Somalia, Iran, even the United States--without constitutionally required Congressional authorization and, consequently, without any restrictions or oversight from the American people or Congress.

    This bill would also make permanent the degradation of law and human rights which has become Guantanamo. It imposes bans on the transfer of any detainee held at Guantanamo, including those who have been cleared of any charges. This means that the United States would be forced to keep imprisoning men who are known to be innocent or are not a threat. This bill not only allows the imprisonment of innocent people, but could mandate it.

    The bill also prevents the use of Article III federal courts for the trial of most terrorism suspects. This circumvents our system of justice and our protections under the Constitution, showing a lack of faith in US law enforcement and courts which are the constitutional venues for stopping terrorism. Our federal courts have a long history of trying terrorist suspects, while military courts are untested, lacking in legitimacy and of questionable effectiveness. Since 9/11, federal courts have prosecuted over 400 terrorism-related cases, while military courts have convicted only six.

    It's as if the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan never happened. These wars cost thousands of lives of our men and women in uniform, and perhaps a million civilian lives, with long-term costs approaching $5 trillion. Yet, in light of the attempt to try to make permanent an authorization for war, it is as if the consequences of the wars we are in have not occurred. It's as if our "humanitarian" military intervention in Libya, which has helped create full blown civil war and which has ensnared us in yet another military stalemate in the region, never happened. It is as if centuries of evidence of the ramifications of the military overreach of empires never happened. It's as if the Constitution, which requires Congress to have a say in when and where we go to war and which guarantees U.S. citizens the right to a fair and speedy trial, was never written.

    Congress must protect the American people from the over-reach of any Chief Executive who is enamored with unilateralism, pre-emption, first strike and the power to prosecute war without Constitutional or statutory proscriptions.

    Permanent, global war is not the answer. It will not increase our national security. Far from ridding the world of terrorism, it will become a terrorist recruitment program.
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  • FORD
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    • Jan 2004
    • 59059

    #2
    If we had a media that did its job instead of shilling for corporate whores, Dennis Kucinich would be President right now
    Eat Us And Smile

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    • lesfunk
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      • Jan 2004
      • 3583

      #3
      You Know, we've had our differences in the past Fordie, but I'll tell you this, If he ran I'd seriously consider giving him my vote because I believe he has the one thing lacking in almost all politicians. Integrity.
      I'd vote for a Right or Left leaning candidate if one had some integrity.
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      • sadaist
        TOASTMASTER GENERAL
        • Jul 2004
        • 11625

        #4
        Originally posted by lesfunk
        You Know, we've had our differences in the past Fordie, but I'll tell you this, If he ran I'd seriously consider giving him my vote because I believe he has the one thing lacking in almost all politicians. Integrity.
        I'd vote for a Right or Left leaning candidate if one had some integrity.


        Integrity or naivete.

        He is still under the impression that 1 guy can make a fucking difference against the Washington machine. Problem is we need a couple hundred guys with that mindset in DC.
        “Great losses often bring only a numb shock. To truly plunge a victim into misery, you must overwhelm him with many small sufferings.”

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        • Nitro Express
          DIAMOND STATUS
          • Aug 2004
          • 32864

          #5
          I'm sorry but to give the executive branch the total power to declare war requires an amendment to the US Constitution. But it seems like modern presidents don't have much use for the constitution anyways. They want to be dictators pretending the US Congress doesn't even exist using executive orders and unaccountable and unelected czars to run things.

          We really need to put the presidency back into it's proper place before it destroys the country. It's grabbed too much power over the years.
          No! You can't have the keys to the wine cellar!

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          • Nitro Express
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            • Aug 2004
            • 32864

            #6
            Kucinich is one of the few people in the US Congress with any integrity. He's one of the good guys.
            No! You can't have the keys to the wine cellar!

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            • Nitro Express
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              • Aug 2004
              • 32864

              #7
              Originally posted by sadaist
              Integrity or naivete.

              He is still under the impression that 1 guy can make a fucking difference against the Washington machine. Problem is we need a couple hundred guys with that mindset in DC.
              It's usually very few people who lead others in times of crisis. The mass majority historically just go with the flow. Most people don't even bother to vote. For good or bad, an organized few can be amazingly powerful.

              What the American people need to wake up and realize is they run the country. The politicians are just hired help. The citizens are the boss and if they continue to not pay attention and go back to sleep, everything will be stolen. These crooks that are supposed to be representing us. Now the employees think they can get away with anything and they just keep grabbing more and more like the money and power junkies they are.
              Last edited by Nitro Express; 05-23-2011, 03:24 AM.
              No! You can't have the keys to the wine cellar!

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              • FORD
                ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

                • Jan 2004
                • 59059

                #8
                Eat Us And Smile

                Cenk For America 2024!!

                Justice Democrats


                "If the American people had ever known the truth about what we (the BCE) have done to this nation, we would be chased down in the streets and lynched." - Poppy Bush, 1992

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                • sadaist
                  TOASTMASTER GENERAL
                  • Jul 2004
                  • 11625

                  #9
                  I wonder if anyone will challenge the renewal of it since it wasn't "really" signed by Obama. He used some auto-signature machine. I bet someone will. Just like when he took the oath of office & Justice Roberts miffed the wording so they redid it again in the White House just to cover all their bases.
                  “Great losses often bring only a numb shock. To truly plunge a victim into misery, you must overwhelm him with many small sufferings.”

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                  • Nickdfresh
                    SUPER MODERATOR

                    • Oct 2004
                    • 49324

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Nitro Express
                    Kucinich is one of the few people in the US Congress with any integrity. He's one of the good guys.
                    And he has the unique ability to get hot young broads...

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                    • Nitro Express
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                      • Aug 2004
                      • 32864

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Nickdfresh
                      And he has the unique ability to get hot young broads...
                      Another bonus. I don't care who they fuck as long as they don't fuck the citizens over.
                      No! You can't have the keys to the wine cellar!

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