It's Because Congress Didn't Read The Fucking Bill Before Voting On It!!!

Collapse
X
 
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts
  • BigBadBrian
    TOASTMASTER GENERAL
    • Jan 2004
    • 10625

    It's Because Congress Didn't Read The Fucking Bill Before Voting On It!!!

    A twist in Obama's health care law
    LINK
    WASHINGTON – President Barack Obama's health care law would let several million middle-class people get nearly free insurance meant for the poor, a twist government number crunchers say they discovered only after the complex bill was signed.

    The change would affect early retirees: A married couple could have an annual income of about $64,000 and still get Medicaid, said officials who make long-range cost estimates for the Health and Human Services department.

    Up to 3 million more people could qualify for Medicaid in 2014 as a result of the anomaly. That's because, in a major change from today, most of their Social Security benefits would no longer be counted as income for determining eligibility. It might be compared to allowing middle-class people to qualify for food stamps.

    Medicare chief actuary Richard Foster says the situation keeps him up at night.

    "I don't generally comment on the pros or cons of policy, but that just doesn't make sense," Foster said during a question-and-answer session at a recent professional society meeting.

    [ For complete coverage of politics and policy, go to Yahoo! Politics ]


    "This is a situation that got no attention at all," added Foster. "And even now, as I raise the issue with various policymakers, people are not rushing to say ... we need to do something about this."

    Indeed, administration officials and senior Democratic lawmakers say it's not a loophole but the result of a well-meaning effort to simplify rules for deciding who will get help with insurance costs under the new health care law. Instead of a hodgepodge of rules, there will be one national policy.

    "This simplification will stop people from falling into coverage gaps and may cause some to be newly eligible for Medicaid and others to no longer qualify," said Brian Cook, spokesman for the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services.

    But states have been clamoring for relief from Medicaid costs, complaining that just these sorts of federal rules drive up spending and limit state options. The program is now one of the top issues in budget negotiations between the White House and Congress. Republicans are pushing for a rollback of federal requirements that block states from limiting eligibility.

    Medicaid is a safety net program that serves more than 50 million vulnerable Americans, from low-income children and pregnant women to Alzheimer's patients in nursing homes. It's designed as a federal-state partnership, with Washington paying close to 60 percent of the total cost.

    Early retirees would be a new group for Medicaid. While retirees can now start collecting Social Security at age 62, they must wait another three years to get Medicare, unless they're disabled.

    Some early retirees who worked all their lives may not want to be associated with a health care program for the poor, but others might see it as a relatively painless way to satisfy the new law's requirement that all Americans carry medical insurance starting in 2014. It would help tide them over until they turn 65 and qualify for Medicare.

    The actuary's office said the 3 million early retirees who would become eligible for Medicaid are on top of an estimated 16 million to 20 million people that Obama's law would already bring into the program, by opening it to childless adults with incomes near the poverty level. Federal taxpayers will cover all of the initial cost of the expansion.

    A spokeswoman for the Senate Finance Committee, which wrote much of the health care law, said if the situation does become a problem there's plenty of time to fix it later.

    "These changes don't take effect until 2014, so we have time to review all possible cases to ensure Medicaid meets its mission of serving only the neediest Americans," said Erin Shields.

    But Republicans already see a problem.

    Former Utah governor Mike Leavitt said adding early retirees will "just add fuel to the fire," bolstering the argument from Republican governors that some of Washington's rules don't make sense.

    "The fact that this is being discovered now tells you, what else is baked into this law?" said Leavitt, who served as Health and Human Services secretary under President George H.W. Bush. "It clearly begins to reveal that the nature of the law was to put more and more people under eligibility for government insurance."

    The Medicare actuary's office roughed out some examples to illustrate how the provision would work. A married couple retiring at 62 in 2014 and receiving the maximum Social Security benefit of $23,500 apiece could get $17,000 from other sources and still qualify for Medicaid with a total income of $64,000.

    That $64,000 would put them at about four times the federal poverty level, which for a two-person household is $14,710 this year. The Medicaid expansion in the health care law was supposed to benefit childless adults with incomes up to 133 percent of the poverty level. A fudge factor built into the law bumps that up to 138 percent.

    The actuary's office acknowledged its $64,000 example would represent an unusual case, but nonetheless the hypothetical couple would still qualify for Medicaid.
    “If bullshit was currency, Joe Biden would be a billionaire.” - George W. Bush
  • BigBadBrian
    TOASTMASTER GENERAL
    • Jan 2004
    • 10625

    #2
    “If bullshit was currency, Joe Biden would be a billionaire.” - George W. Bush

    Comment

    • Seshmeister
      ROTH ARMY WEBMASTER

      • Oct 2003
      • 35196

      #3
      Sounds like good news, another small step towards a civilized society.

      Comment

      • VAiN
        Use my hand, I won't look
        ROCKSTAR

        • Nov 2006
        • 5056

        #4
        64k a year for 2 people who want to live a 'normal' life really is peanuts. I make less than that and I'm having a hard fucking time here... I can't imagine trying to get by on that being a senior with all the medical bills.
        Originally posted by wiseguy
        That shit will welcome you in the morning and pour the milk in your count chocula for ya.

        Comment

        • Seshmeister
          ROTH ARMY WEBMASTER

          • Oct 2003
          • 35196

          #5
          Well those tax cuts for the top 1% need to come from somewhere...

          Comment

          • FORD
            ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

            • Jan 2004
            • 58787

            #6
            So let's scrap the whole goddamn thing and bring in a single payer system like the rest of the civilized world, for fucks sake.
            Eat Us And Smile

            Cenk For America 2024!!

            Justice Democrats


            "If the American people had ever known the truth about what we (the BCE) have done to this nation, we would be chased down in the streets and lynched." - Poppy Bush, 1992

            Comment

            • bueno bob
              DIAMOND STATUS
              • Jul 2004
              • 22942

              #7
              Originally posted by FORD
              So let's scrap the whole goddamn thing and bring in a single payer system like the rest of the civilized world, for fucks sake.
              I have absolutely NO problem with that.

              This is why the rest of the civilized world laughs at us. Oh, that and the 46 different wars we're bankrupting ourselves with while the third world countries sit and wait.

              Can't we just keep talking about Anthony Weiner's penis? So much easier that way, you know?
              Twistin' by the pool.

              Comment

              • Hardrock69
                DIAMOND STATUS
                • Feb 2005
                • 21888

                #8
                Aww....poor widdul Brian!

                Hims all sad cause legislation happened that might actually benefit people....



                Him should call up Retardlican Party HQ and say "OH NOES U NOT READ LAW BEFORE YOU VOTE! WHY U NOT NO HAU 2 READ?"

                Comment

                • Nitro Express
                  DIAMOND STATUS
                  • Aug 2004
                  • 32798

                  #9
                  Originally posted by FORD
                  So let's scrap the whole goddamn thing and bring in a single payer system like the rest of the civilized world, for fucks sake.
                  Yeah. Let's just agree Barry is not a natural born citizen and nullify his presidency and all the bills he signed into law and the illegal wars he has started.
                  No! You can't have the keys to the wine cellar!

                  Comment

                  • Nitro Express
                    DIAMOND STATUS
                    • Aug 2004
                    • 32798

                    #10
                    Originally posted by FORD
                    So let's scrap the whole goddamn thing and bring in a single payer system like the rest of the civilized world, for fucks sake.
                    Yeah. Let's just agree Barry is not a natural born citizen and nullify his presidency and all the bills he signed into law and the illegal wars he has started.
                    No! You can't have the keys to the wine cellar!

                    Comment

                    • jacksmar
                      Full Member Status

                      • Feb 2004
                      • 3533

                      #11
                      The argument isn't about socialized medicine. It's about if Congress can impose this mandate on everyone. Supporters of socialized medicine should move to any of those 46 countries that provide it. Assholes that voted for The Kenyan Houseboy should volunteer to leave. Soon. Last year. Forever.

                      You assholes that voted for the halfrican hate the politics surrounding socialized medicine and before your retarded eyes: Lies. Coercion. Broken promises. Political favors.

                      It's not about the uninsured, it's about a mandate.

                      When your socialized medicine is denied to you because of rationing; ACO's, I absolutely hope you rot to death.

                      You'll never know again whether you are getting correct and advanced medical treatment because the doctor giving the advice is on the socialized program.
                      A NATION OF COWARDS - Jeffrey R. Snyder

                      Comment

                      • FORD
                        ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

                        • Jan 2004
                        • 58787

                        #12
                        Taxes are mandatory (at least in theory, though the rich obviously get around it, but that's another discussion).

                        This is yet another reason why single payer is a better solution. Everybody SHOULD pay taxes, so use that to convert Medicare into a public insurance system that covers everybody.

                        Mandated payment to a private corporation should NEVER be required.
                        Eat Us And Smile

                        Cenk For America 2024!!

                        Justice Democrats


                        "If the American people had ever known the truth about what we (the BCE) have done to this nation, we would be chased down in the streets and lynched." - Poppy Bush, 1992

                        Comment

                        • bueno bob
                          DIAMOND STATUS
                          • Jul 2004
                          • 22942

                          #13
                          Originally posted by jacksmar
                          The argument isn't about socialized medicine. It's about if Congress can impose this mandate on everyone. Supporters of socialized medicine should move to any of those 46 countries that provide it. Assholes that voted for The Kenyan Houseboy should volunteer to leave. Soon. Last year. Forever.
                          I seem to recall Bush's supporters telling those yelling and screaming against him the same things not too many years back. I believe the response given was "Hey man! You don't support the President? GTFO of America, you Benedict Arnold!" or something equally retarded. While I could just slip back into that mindset and start saying the same thing to detractors of President/Congress/Policy/etc, it only really begs the question of how many people are actually going to be left in the country if we all left due to disagreements with policy. Eventually I guess there won't be anybody here.

                          Originally posted by jacksmar
                          You assholes that voted for the halfrican hate the politics surrounding socialized medicine and before your retarded eyes: Lies. Coercion. Broken promises. Political favors.
                          We're still talking about the government, right? I suppose there'd have been ABSOLUTELY NO lies, coercion, broken promises and political favors had Sarah Palin won?

                          Welcome to America!

                          Originally posted by jacksmar
                          It's not about the uninsured, it's about a mandate.

                          When your socialized medicine is denied to you because of rationing; ACO's, I absolutely hope you rot to death.
                          Of course, the current system has worked out so well thus far?

                          Not to fear, though, the death panels will be certain to weed out the weak so that the remaining people do in fact get the "best" health care available.

                          Originally posted by jacksmar
                          You'll never know again whether you are getting correct and advanced medical treatment because the doctor giving the advice is on the socialized program.
                          LMAO! As if you fucking know you're getting "correct and advanced" medical treatment now...go get your degree in medicine and get back to me in about eight years.

                          Twistin' by the pool.

                          Comment

                          • jacksmar
                            Full Member Status

                            • Feb 2004
                            • 3533

                            #14
                            You can LMAO all you like Gomer, just fucking leave with your socialized medicine . In fact show us a medical bill from one of those 46 countries that have performed a surgical procedure on you Gomer.
                            I wouldn’t give a fuck if this president had his plane fall out of the sky, fall down head first into a bathroom sink, or had a stroke. Every last one of you Gomers would want president Dumbo treated in the U.S. There’s the flaw in your bullshit 46 countries.
                            If halfrican Dumbo were to die tomorrow all I want to know is where we set up the stool.
                            Here’s some real facts:
                            The AARP types that you think I want to pitch off of cliff won’t get cataract, hernia, disc, or total hip. It’s already in the rationing plan. The will be doctor shortages. They are happening now due to gender equity bullshit in admissions to med school.

                            From the bullshit law:
                            With respect to payment for discharges from an applicable hospital (as defined in paragraph (5)(C)) occurring during a fiscal year beginning on or after October 1, 2012, in order to account for excess readmissions in the hospital, the Secretary shall reduce the payments that would otherwise be made to such hospital..

                            Medicare beneficiary' means a Medicare beneficiary who has attained a minimum hierarchical condition category score, as determined by the Secretary, based on a diagnosis of multiple chronic conditions or other risk factors associated with a hospital readmission or substandard transition into post-hospitalization care, which may include 1 or more of the following:

                            (A) Cognitive impairment.

                            (B) Depression.

                            (C) A history of multiple readmissions.

                            (D) Any other chronic disease or risk factor as determined by the Secretary.

                            ObamaCare allows the Health Secretary to disallow treatments or coverage that are not considered "reasonable or necessary." and this decision will be made on the basis of the Patient-Centered Outcomes Research Institute. You don’t know a fucking thing about med school or obamacare Gomer. This shit is online to fuck every one of us. You tards are too stupid to read the fucking law.
                            Last edited by jacksmar; 06-22-2011, 07:22 PM.
                            A NATION OF COWARDS - Jeffrey R. Snyder

                            Comment

                            • FORD
                              ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

                              • Jan 2004
                              • 58787

                              #15
                              You know, if we had "socialized medicine", you would be able to get the medication that you so obviously need for your mental illness....

                              Eat Us And Smile

                              Cenk For America 2024!!

                              Justice Democrats


                              "If the American people had ever known the truth about what we (the BCE) have done to this nation, we would be chased down in the streets and lynched." - Poppy Bush, 1992

                              Comment

                              Working...