Genocidal psychopath NuttyYahoo STILL planning to start World War III

[FORD]

July 17, 2011 Sunday 15 Tammuz 5771 21:49 IST

Ex-CIA officer: Israel likely to attack Iran in September
By JPOST.COM STAFF
16/07/2011

Robert Baer tells LA KPFK radio that strike on Tehran likely to happen before vote on Palestinian state, that PM wants US to be involved.

Israel will probably attack Iran in September, a former CIA officer who spent 21 years in the Middle East, including in Lebanon and Syria, has told a Los Angeles radio show.

While Robert Baer didn’t reveal the sources behind his prediction, he referred to former Mossad chief Meir Dagan’s warnings of an Israeli attack on Iran as “no bluff.”

Baer told the KPFK Radio on Tuesday recent comments made by Dagan that an Israeli attack on Iran could lead to a regional war, “tell us with near certainty that [Prime Minister Binyamin] Netanyahu is planning an attack, and in as much as I can guess when it’s going to be, it’s probably going to be in September, before a [UN General Assembly] vote on the Palestinian state.”

Netanyahu is “also hoping to draw the United States into the conflict – and in fact, there’s a warning order inside the Pentagon to prepare for conflict with Iran,” Baer said.

The retired senior CIA officer predicted that Israel would attack the Natanz nuclear facility, as well as “a couple of others to degrade their capabilities.”

“The Iranians will strike back where they can, and that will be in Basra and in Baghdad,” where the US has a reduced troop presence, Baer said.

“We’ve started to look at Iran’s targets in Iraq and across the border,” he said.

Baer, however, said a regional war was unlikely.

“What we’re facing here is an escalation, not a planned all-out war,” he said.

There was no response from the Prime Minister’s Office in Jerusalem.

Jerusalem Likud Post (http://www.jpost.com/Defense/Article.aspx?id=229605)

Someone needs to stop this fucking piece of shit :gun:

[Nitro Express]

A move on Iran or Pakistan is a move against the Shanghai alliance. That's Russia and China who's relations have never been better. I often thought why we outsourced to China was the oligarchs would make so much more money, bring the US down to where it would be easier to control and if China didn't play ball we could put them back in line with military might. I think the big miscalculation was how fast China could build up it's military and the worldwide alliances it could make. A move against Iran would be poorly advised.

[Nitro Express]

The weakness of the west vs the east is the east doesn't give a ratt's ass about Israel or so called "Chosen People". We waste so much over this whole chosen people thing. We need to just treat everyone the same. There are no chosen people. That's just old ancient rehash we need to rid ourselves of.

I say let Nuttyyahoo lead the charge with his Zionist and Christian nutjobs following him. The rest of us and just sit back, open a beer and enjoy the show. Let nature and natural selection run it's course. If the idiots want to get themselves killed let them go.

[sadaist]

so if Israel & Iran go at it, when it's over will we finally be done with this God Damned middle east bullshit? It's gotten pretty fucking old.

Duke it out & winner take all. Get the shit over & done with. And leave us the fuck out of it. We got our own problems.

[Nickdfresh]

Nutty-yahoo (much like the Iranian regime of Revolutionary Guard cunts and despots) is a complete idiot. But this story is little more than idle speculation with the trappings of authoritative bullshit around it...

[Nitro Express]

so if Israel & Iran go at it, when it's over will we finally be done with this God Damned middle east bullshit? It's gotten pretty fucking old.

Duke it out & winner take all. Get the shit over & done with. And leave us the fuck out of it. We got our own problems.

Let's get off the imported oil before the Persians and Jews go at it with each other.:biggrin:

[Guitar Shark]

FORD, why do you always have to add made-up nicknames like "NuttyYahoo" to these posts? Do you not realize the effect that it has?

[FORD]

well, he's nutty and a yahoo, so it fits. It's certainly a more fitting nickname than "Bibi" which makes him sound like a harmless stuffed animal or something.

[Seshmeister]

The weakness of the west vs the east is the east doesn't give a ratt's ass about Israel or so called "Chosen People". We waste so much over this whole chosen people thing. We need to just treat everyone the same. There are no chosen people. That's just old ancient rehash we need to rid ourselves of.

I say let Nuttyyahoo lead the charge with his Zionist and Christian nutjobs following him. The rest of us and just sit back, open a beer and enjoy the show. Let nature and natural selection run it's course. If the idiots want to get themselves killed let them go.

I completely agree apart from the fact that Israel voted in CuntyDuckFlu whereas the people in Iran have tried to get rid of IamInADinnerJacket so it would particularly unfair for them to get blown up with US supplied weapons.

[Seshmeister]

FORD, why do you always have to add made-up nicknames like "NuttyYahoo" to these posts? Do you not realize the effect that it has?

It makes an interminable conflict where millions suffer needlessly for decades slightly more bearable to read about by adding a sliver of humor?

[Guitar Shark]

I guess that's a fair point, but he uses so many nicknames for so many people that half the time I have no idea who he is talking about. I suppose that's not necessarily a bad thing...

[FORD]

Who the Hell else would I be referring to with the name NuttyYahoo?

[Seshmeister]

CuntyDuckFlu?

[Guitar Shark]

Who the Hell else would I be referring to with the name NuttyYahoo?

This is actually one of your clearer ones... I'm thinking of the "Pibbles" and many others that don't come to mind at the moment. I suppose I should have waited for a better candidate!

[FORD]

"Pibbles" was just a play on that guy's favorite brand of high fructose corn poison. Plus I didn't want to help him defame the name of a great band....


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AlB8FEwKNcM

[kwame k]

Nutty-yahoo (much like the Iranian regime of Revolutionary Guard cunts and despots) is a complete idiot. But this story is little more than idle speculation with the trappings of authoritative bullshit around it...

Stories like these seem to come up every few years.......remember the rampant speculation that Dubya was going to jointly invade with the Chosen People just before leaving office.....I equate the Middle East to the Cold War. Mutually Assured Destruction!

Either way, both sides lose and they know it. If Israel attacks, guaranteed terrorist retaliations for the next 60 years........if Iran attacks, guaranteed world condemnation and military action by a "coalition of the willing" with regime change shortly after.

[Guitar Shark]

"Pibbles" was just a play on that guy's favorite brand of high fructose corn poison. Plus I didn't want to help him defame the name of a great band....


LOL, see I even got that one wrong... I was thinking it was the nickname you had for Laura Bush. What was that one?

[LoungeMachine]

Pickles

:gulp:

[LoungeMachine]

Let's not forget AhmedDinnerJacket

:gulp:

[Guitar Shark]

Let's not forget AhmedDinnerJacket

:gulp:

You need to come around more often my friend

[FORD]

I can't take the credit for Pickles. I think Mike Malloy came up with that one, based on something Chimpy himself said about her.

[BigBadBrian]

...that guy's favorite brand of high fructose corn poison...

Though numerous studies of the health effects of high fructose corn syrup are continually ongoing, no study has ever conclusively confirmed that HFCS is processed any different in the human body at the cellular level than cane sugar, beet sugar, or honey.

[jhale667]

Riiiight. The rise in American obesity that coincided with it's increased usage in the food industry is purely coincidental...:rolleyes:

[ThrillsNSpills]

he believed the tv.

lmao

[chefcraig]

Riiiight. The rise in American obesity that coincided with it's increased usage in the food industry is purely coincidental...:rolleyes:

While there are several complex factors leading to the obesity epidemic facing the U. S. currently, doctors recognised HFCS as a cause in the middle of the last decade.

High-fructose corn syrup fueling obesity epidemic, doctors say


By Carolyn Poirot Knight Ridder Newspapers (http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/health/2002658491_healthsyrup04.html)

FORT WORTH, Texas — High-fructose corn syrup isn't completely responsible for the nation's 6 million overweight children — but Dr. George Bray says it's a big part of the problem.

Nurture trumps nature in the current childhood-obesity epidemic, says Bray. It's the environment we're creating for our kids that's the problem, and that environment includes increasing numbers of products high in high-fructose corn syrup, or HFCS.

Bray, who served as founding president of the North American Association for the Study of Obesity and organized the first international congress on obesity in 1973, points out that between 1970 (when HFCS was introduced) and 2000 (when average yearly consumption of the ultra-sweet liquid sugar hit 73.5 pounds per person in this country), the prevalence of obesity more than doubled, from 15 percent to almost one-third of the adult population.

And worse, much worse, obesity among children 12 to 19 — who consume a disproportionate amount of the soft drinks, fruit juice, sports drinks and packaged cookies and other baked goods that are sweetened with HFCS — increased from 4.2 percent in 1970 to 15.3 percent in 2000.

Dangers of obesity

The implications for our children's future are clear: "We know that if it's not caught early, one in three of these overweight children will grow into overweight adults at increased risk for type 2 diabetes, coronary heart disease, stroke and early death," Bray said at an October presentation in Fort Worth.

But there is hope. Obesity is largely preventable through changes in lifestyle, especially diet, says Bray, who called for removing soda machines from schools and reducing portion sizes of commercially available sodas in his now-famous commentary in The American Journal of Clinical Nutrition in April 2004.

Larger portions, more high-fat fast foods, less exercise of any kind, irregular sleep patterns, lower consumption of milk and other high-calcium foods, and increased consumption of HFCS in beverages go a long way toward explaining the obesity epidemic, Bray says.

"Genetic factors play an important role in the development of obesity, but given the rapidity with which the current epidemic of obesity has descended on the U.S. and many other countries, environmental factors are a more likely explanation," he says. "Whatever its genetic and biochemical determinants, obesity in man is susceptible to an extraordinary degree of control of social factors. Environment is very important."

You stop feeling full

Bray says the problem with HFCS is not only that it is sweeter than other forms of sugar, but also that it does not affect appetite. Fructose adds to overeating because it does not trigger chemical messengers that tell the brain the stomach is full and no longer hungry, like food and drinks that contain regular refined sugar do.

An internist whose pioneering research helped establish the connections between weight gain and the development of type 2 diabetes, Bray is a research professor and former director of the Pennington Center at Louisiana State University, the largest nutritional research center in the world.

He says consumers would be a lot better off without added sugar in any form, but that artificial sweeteners are much preferred over calorically sweetened drinks, even for children.

"Children less than 5 probably shouldn't have any sweetened drinks, and for older children, diet drinks are better than regular soft drinks and fruit drinks," Bray said. "A lot of parents are concerned about the 'chemicals' added to sweeten diet soft drinks, but all forms of extra added sugar and artificial sweeteners are bad. We don't need added sugar in our diet."

Bray is calling for improved packaging and labeling for food meant to be consumed as a single serving. Too many ready-to-eat foods and drinks are labeled as single servings but packaged as two or even three servings.

"It's hard to find a single-serving soft drink," he said. "Portion size is something government (the Food and Drug Administration) can and should do something about."

[BigBadBrian]

While there are several complex factors leading to the obesity epidemic facing the U. S. currently, doctors recognised HFCS as a cause in the middle of the last decade.

you quoted a newspaper article full of heresay. What percentage of doctors are nutrition experts, particulary of HFCS.

Try quoting a reputable study next time, Slick.

[BigBadBrian]

REPORT 3 OF THE COUNCIL ON SCIENCE AND PUBLIC HEALTH (A-08)
The Health Effects of High Fructose Syrup

EXECUTIVE SUMMARY

Objective: To review the chemical properties and health effects of high fructose corn syrup (HFCS) in comparison to other added caloric sweeteners and to evaluate the potential impact of restricting use of fructose-containing sweeteners, including the use of warning labels on foods containing high fructose syrups.
Methods: Literature searches for articles published though December 2007 were conducted in the PubMed database and the Cochrane Database of Systematic Reviews using the search terms “high fructose corn syrup” and “high fructose syrup.” Web sites managed by federal and world health agencies, and applicable professional and advocacy organizations, were also reviewed for relevant information. Additional articles were identified by reviewing the reference lists of pertinent publications.

Results: HFCS has been increasingly added to foods since its development in the late 1960s. The most commonly used types of HFCS (HFCS-42 and HFCS-55) are similar in composition to sucrose, consisting of roughly equal amounts of fructose and glucose. The primary difference is that these monosaccharides exist free in solution in HFCS, but in disaccharide form in sucrose. The disaccharide sucrose is easily cleaved in the small intestine, so free fructose and glucose are absorbed from both sucrose and HFCS. The advantage to food manufacturers is that the free monosaccharides in HFCS provide better flavor enhancement, stability, freshness, texture, color, pourability, and consistency in foods in comparison to sucrose. Concern about HFCS developed after ecological studies, using per capita estimates of HFCS consumption, found direct correlations between HFCS and obesity. In addition, human and animal studies have found direct associations between fructose and adverse health outcomes. However, the adverse health effects of HFCS, beyond those of other caloric sweeteners, most of which contain fructose, are not well established. Consumption of added caloric sweeteners in general has increased over the last 30 years, as has total calories. Likewise, rates of obesity have risen even in countries where little HFCS is consumed. Only a few small, short-term experimental studies have compared the effects of HFCS to sucrose, and most involved some form of industry support. Epidemiological studies on HFCS and health outcomes are unavailable, beyond ecological studies, because nutrient databases do not contain information on the HFCS content of foods and have only limited data on added sugars in general.

Conclusions: Because the composition of HFCS and sucrose are so similar, particularly on absorption by the body,

it appears unlikely that HFCS contributes more to obesity or other conditions than sucrose. Nevertheless, few studies have evaluated the potentially differential effect of various sweeteners, particularly as they relate to health conditions such as obesity, which develop over relatively long periods of time. Improved nutrient databases are needed to analyze food consumption in epidemiological studies, as are more strongly designed experimental studies. At the present time, there is insufficient evidence to restrict use of HFCS or other fructose-containing sweeteners in the food supply or to require the use of warning labels on products containing HFCS.

RECOMMENDATIONS
The following statements, recommended by the Council on Science and Public Health, were adopted by the AMA House of Delegates as AMA directives at the 2008 Annual Meeting:
1. That our American Medical Association (AMA) recognize that at the present time, insufficient evidence exists to specifically restrict use of high fructose corn syrup (HFCS) or other fructose-
containing sweeteners in the food supply or to require the use of warning labels on products containing HFCS. (Directive)
2. That our AMA encourage independent research (including epidemiological studies) on the health effects of HFCS and other sweeteners, and evaluation of the mechanism of action and relationship between fructose dose and response. (Directive)
3. That our AMA, in concert with the Dietary Guidelines for Americans, recommend that consumers limit the amount of added caloric sweeteners in their diet. (Directive)

[chefcraig]

you quoted a newspaper article full of heresay. What percentage of doctors are nutrition experts, particulary of HFCS.

Try quoting a reputable study next time, Slick.

OK Brian, since the report you posted is supported by the AMA (American Medical Association), the very same doctors you stated as not being nutrition experts, would a Princeton University study (supported by the U.S. Public Health Service) be good enough, or are the researchers there unqualified as well?

A sweet problem: Princeton researchers find that high-fructose corn syrup prompts considerably more weight gain

by Hilary Parker News At Princeton (http://www.princeton.edu/main/news/archive/S26/91/22K07/)

A Princeton University research team has demonstrated that all sweeteners are not equal when it comes to weight gain: Rats with access to high-fructose corn syrup gained significantly more weight than those with access to table sugar, even when their overall caloric intake was the same.

In addition to causing significant weight gain in lab animals, long-term consumption of high-fructose corn syrup also led to abnormal increases in body fat, especially in the abdomen, and a rise in circulating blood fats called triglycerides. The researchers say the work sheds light on the factors contributing to obesity trends in the United States.

"Some people have claimed that high-fructose corn syrup is no different than other sweeteners when it comes to weight gain and obesity, but our results make it clear that this just isn't true, at least under the conditions of our tests," said psychology professor Bart Hoebel, who specializes in the neuroscience of appetite, weight and sugar addiction. "When rats are drinking high-fructose corn syrup at levels well below those in soda pop, they're becoming obese -- every single one, across the board. Even when rats are fed a high-fat diet, you don't see this; they don't all gain extra weight."
Hoebel lab

In results published online Feb. 26 by the journal Pharmacology, Biochemistry and Behavior, the researchers from the Department of Psychology and the Princeton Neuroscience Institute reported on two experiments investigating the link between the consumption of high-fructose corn syrup and obesity.

The first study showed that male rats given water sweetened with high-fructose corn syrup in addition to a standard diet of rat chow gained much more weight than male rats that received water sweetened with table sugar, or sucrose, in conjunction with the standard diet. The concentration of sugar in the sucrose solution was the same as is found in some commercial soft drinks, while the high-fructose corn syrup solution was half as concentrated as most sodas.

The second experiment -- the first long-term study of the effects of high-fructose corn syrup consumption on obesity in lab animals -- monitored weight gain, body fat and triglyceride levels in rats with access to high-fructose corn syrup over a period of six months. Compared to animals eating only rat chow, rats on a diet rich in high-fructose corn syrup showed characteristic signs of a dangerous condition known in humans as the metabolic syndrome, including abnormal weight gain, significant increases in circulating triglycerides and augmented fat deposition, especially visceral fat around the belly. Male rats in particular ballooned in size: Animals with access to high-fructose corn syrup gained 48 percent more weight than those eating a normal diet.

"These rats aren't just getting fat; they're demonstrating characteristics of obesity, including substantial increases in abdominal fat and circulating triglycerides," said Princeton graduate student Miriam Bocarsly. "In humans, these same characteristics are known risk factors for high blood pressure, coronary artery disease, cancer and diabetes." In addition to Hoebel and Bocarsly, the research team included Princeton undergraduate Elyse Powell and visiting research associate Nicole Avena, who was affiliated with Rockefeller University during the study and is now on the faculty at the University of Florida. The Princeton researchers note that they do not know yet why high-fructose corn syrup fed to rats in their study generated more triglycerides, and more body fat that resulted in obesity.
Hoebel lab

When male rats were given water sweetened with high-fructose corn syrup in addition to a standard diet of rat chow, the animals gained much more weight than male rats that received water sweetened with table sugar, or sucrose, along with the standard diet. The concentration of sugar in the sucrose solution was the same as is found in some commercial soft drinks, while the high-fructose corn syrup solution was half as concentrated as most sodas, including the orange soft drink shown here. (Photo: Denise Applewhite)

High-fructose corn syrup and sucrose are both compounds that contain the simple sugars fructose and glucose, but there at least two clear differences between them. First, sucrose is composed of equal amounts of the two simple sugars -- it is 50 percent fructose and 50 percent glucose -- but the typical high-fructose corn syrup used in this study features a slightly imbalanced ratio, containing 55 percent fructose and 42 percent glucose. Larger sugar molecules called higher saccharides make up the remaining 3 percent of the sweetener. Second, as a result of the manufacturing process for high-fructose corn syrup, the fructose molecules in the sweetener are free and unbound, ready for absorption and utilization. In contrast, every fructose molecule in sucrose that comes from cane sugar or beet sugar is bound to a corresponding glucose molecule and must go through an extra metabolic step before it can be utilized.

This creates a fascinating puzzle. The rats in the Princeton study became obese by drinking high-fructose corn syrup, but not by drinking sucrose. The critical differences in appetite, metabolism and gene expression that underlie this phenomenon are yet to be discovered, but may relate to the fact that excess fructose is being metabolized to produce fat, while glucose is largely being processed for energy or stored as a carbohydrate, called glycogen, in the liver and muscles.

In the 40 years since the introduction of high-fructose corn syrup as a cost-effective sweetener in the American diet, rates of obesity in the U.S. have skyrocketed, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. In 1970, around 15 percent of the U.S. population met the definition for obesity; today, roughly one-third of the American adults are considered obese, the CDC reported. High-fructose corn syrup is found in a wide range of foods and beverages, including fruit juice, soda, cereal, bread, yogurt, ketchup and mayonnaise. On average, Americans consume 60 pounds of the sweetener per person every year.

"Our findings lend support to the theory that the excessive consumption of high-fructose corn syrup found in many beverages may be an important factor in the obesity epidemic," Avena said.

The new research complements previous work led by Hoebel and Avena demonstrating that sucrose can be addictive, having effects on the brain similar to some drugs of abuse.

In the future, the team intends to explore how the animals respond to the consumption of high-fructose corn syrup in conjunction with a high-fat diet -- the equivalent of a typical fast-food meal containing a hamburger, fries and soda -- and whether excessive high-fructose corn syrup consumption contributes to the diseases associated with obesity. Another step will be to study how fructose affects brain function in the control of appetite.

The research was supported by the U.S. Public Health Service.

[ThrillsNSpills]

Judas IsKerryot.

[FORD]

So Brian's a lobbyist for MonSatan now?

[ThrillsNSpills]

Brian, next time you go to the doctor , ask them how much nutrition training they got in medical school. (trying to be respectful)

or do you go to the plumber to get your carpet installed. (okay so I failed)

[jhale667]

How many medical schools actually teach nutrition (besides a few electives) much less offer degrees in the science? Not as many as you think.


But by all means, keep drinking Karo syrup straight from the tap, BBB - ya fat bastard! :lmao:

[Nickdfresh]

Though numerous studies of the health effects of high fructose corn syrup are continually ongoing, no study has ever conclusively confirmed that HFCS is processed any different in the human body at the cellular level than cane sugar, beet sugar, or honey.

Really dude, you're going to high jack this thread with a fucking corn syrup martyrdom defense?

What do you think of the ethanol in my gas? The gas in my car that is?

[SunisinuS]

REPORT 3 OF THE COUNCIL ON SCIENCE AND PUBLIC HEALTH (A-08)
The Health Effects of High Fructose Syrup

EXECUTIVE SUMMARY

Objective: To review the chemical properties and health effects of high fructose corn syrup (HFCS) in comparison to other added caloric sweeteners and to evaluate the potential impact of restricting use of fructose-containing sweeteners, including the use of warning labels on foods containing high fructose syrups.
Methods: Literature searches for articles published though December 2007 were conducted in the PubMed database and the Cochrane Database of Systematic Reviews using the search terms “high fructose corn syrup” and “high fructose syrup.” Web sites managed by federal and world health agencies, and applicable professional and advocacy organizations, were also reviewed for relevant information. Additional articles were identified by reviewing the reference lists of pertinent publications.

Results: HFCS has been increasingly added to foods since its development in the late 1960s. The most commonly used types of HFCS (HFCS-42 and HFCS-55) are similar in composition to sucrose, consisting of roughly equal amounts of fructose and glucose. The primary difference is that these monosaccharides exist free in solution in HFCS, but in disaccharide form in sucrose. The disaccharide sucrose is easily cleaved in the small intestine, so free fructose and glucose are absorbed from both sucrose and HFCS. The advantage to food manufacturers is that the free monosaccharides in HFCS provide better flavor enhancement, stability, freshness, texture, color, pourability, and consistency in foods in comparison to sucrose. Concern about HFCS developed after ecological studies, using per capita estimates of HFCS consumption, found direct correlations between HFCS and obesity. In addition, human and animal studies have found direct associations between fructose and adverse health outcomes. However, the adverse health effects of HFCS, beyond those of other caloric sweeteners, most of which contain fructose, are not well established. Consumption of added caloric sweeteners in general has increased over the last 30 years, as has total calories. Likewise, rates of obesity have risen even in countries where little HFCS is consumed. Only a few small, short-term experimental studies have compared the effects of HFCS to sucrose, and most involved some form of industry support. Epidemiological studies on HFCS and health outcomes are unavailable, beyond ecological studies, because nutrient databases do not contain information on the HFCS content of foods and have only limited data on added sugars in general.

Conclusions: Because the composition of HFCS and sucrose are so similar, particularly on absorption by the body,

it appears unlikely that HFCS contributes more to obesity or other conditions than sucrose. Nevertheless, few studies have evaluated the potentially differential effect of various sweeteners, particularly as they relate to health conditions such as obesity, which develop over relatively long periods of time. Improved nutrient databases are needed to analyze food consumption in epidemiological studies, as are more strongly designed experimental studies. At the present time, there is insufficient evidence to restrict use of HFCS or other fructose-containing sweeteners in the food supply or to require the use of warning labels on products containing HFCS.

RECOMMENDATIONS
The following statements, recommended by the Council on Science and Public Health, were adopted by the AMA House of Delegates as AMA directives at the 2008 Annual Meeting:
1. That our American Medical Association (AMA) recognize that at the present time, insufficient evidence exists to specifically restrict use of high fructose corn syrup (HFCS) or other fructose-
containing sweeteners in the food supply or to require the use of warning labels on products containing HFCS. (Directive)
2. That our AMA encourage independent research (including epidemiological studies) on the health effects of HFCS and other sweeteners, and evaluation of the mechanism of action and relationship between fructose dose and response. (Directive)
3. That our AMA, in concert with the Dietary Guidelines for Americans, recommend that consumers limit the amount of added caloric sweeteners in their diet. (Directive)

caps kill kittens though....has been proved

[chefcraig]

caps kill kittens though....has been proved

Yeah, it is sort of interesting to note that every single time Brian gets called out for his astoundingly consistent manner of quoting references that end up refuting, rather than supporting whatever nebulous point he attempts to make, more often than not he fails to respond. It is sort of goofy.

It more or less makes you wish to ignore anything he posts further, ya know?

[SunisinuS]

Yeah, it is sort of interesting to note that every single time Brian gets called out for his astoundingly consistent manner of quoting references that end up refuting, rather than supporting whatever nebulous point he attempts to make, more often than not he fails to respond. It is sort of goofy.

It more or less makes you wish to ignore anything he posts further, ya know?

I just don't get the shouting to make a point...I mean it is all over but the shouting.

[BigBadBrian]

Yeah, it is sort of interesting to note that every single time Brian gets called out for his astoundingly consistent manner of quoting references that end up refuting, rather than supporting whatever nebulous point he attempts to make, more often than not he fails to respond. It is sort of goofy.


I hurt your feelings, huh Buttercup? Need a tissue?

Nobody refuted anything of mine in this thread. I quoted a source by the AMA. True, physicians don't get much training in nutrition. My neurologist, whom I see for my peripheral neuropathy, told me one time most doctors only get maybe one elective course in nutrition in medical school. Anyway, the AMA is a large organization composed of medical professionals besides doctors, such as researchers (bio-bhemists, micro-biologists, etc) and dieticians.

I knew quoting facts would throw you guys for a loop.

I have no dog in this hunt. I really don't know whether HFCS is worse than cane sugar or not. I'm justm saying there isn't too muchm proof to suggest it.

Besides, with all the demand for sugar in food products, how many cane fields do you see driving across the nation's breadbasket like Iowa and Illinois? Using HFCS is more of a supply/demand issue than anything.

[chefcraig]

I hurt your feelings, huh Buttercup? Need a tissue?.

Yep. I can't count how many times I've either pointed out how miserably wrong or uninformed you've been with regard to a subject, and rather than reply, you simply fail to respond. It just leaves me empty and pining away the hours into my pillow. Sadly enough, a couple of days later you come up with more poorly researched nonsense, and the process starts all over again. It just breaks my semi-informed, somewhat logical and capable of reading comprehension-filled heart.

[jhale667]

Besides, with all the demand for sugar in food products, how many cane fields do you see driving across the nation's breadbasket like Iowa and Illinois? Using HFCS is more of a supply/demand issue than anything.

One of my docs IS a nutritionist, and guess what - you're full of shit. The prevalence of HFCS has more to do with the fucking corn lobby than supply and demand. In reality, if the US was smart we'd be making Ethanol out of cane sugar rather than corn (much like Brazil)- it's cheaper and more efficient, but due to the corn lobbyists having more clout than anyone touting sugar, it's not gonna happen. Face it dude, you're on the WRONG side of 90% of the shit you post about. No wonder you're bitter! :lmao:

[hambon4lif]

One of my docs IS a nutritionist, and guess what - you're full of shit.It doesn't really take a nutritionist to figure that out.

Hell, I could have told you that!

[jhale667]

It doesn't really take a nutritionist to figure that out.

Hell, I could have told you that!

True, but since he was ranting about "credible sources"...I personally have one that proves he's a 'tard! :lmao:


Plus, I can attest that since cutting out 90% of the HFCS-laden shit I was eating, I've dropped over 20lbs.

[FORD]

Funny how a thread about NuttyYahoo & Israel declaring war on Iran morphed into a thread about MonSatan & Iowa declaring biological warfare on all of humanity.

[BigBadBrian]

Plus, I can attest that since cutting out 90% of the HFCS-laden shit I was eating, I've dropped over 20lbs.

And also calories too, huh Shortbus? Fuck dude, try to figure something out. I realize you're not too well educated and not too bright, but even you should be able to realize that a calorie deficit is the only way one loses weight. I'll bet you think doing situps will reduce that large gut of yours too, right? :lmao:

[BigBadBrian]

Yep. I can't count how many times I've either pointed out how miserably wrong or uninformed you've been with regard to a subject, and rather than reply, you simply fail to respond.

I'm sorry, but I don't have the time to immediately respond to your assinine observations within the hour. I don't lurk on this site all damned day like you obviously do since I have a JOB. Obviously you don't. Also, I don't feel the need to respond to all that you do post that I do read since I don't respect your intelligence (or lack thereof, I should say) or your reasoning ability. Your turn, Buttercup. Dance Pinocchio!

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[chefcraig]

I'm sorry, but I don't have the time to immediately respond to your assinine observations within the hour. I don't lurk on this site all damned day like you obviously do since I have a JOB. Obviously you don't. Also, I don't feel the need to respond to all that you do post that I do read since I don't respect your intelligence (or lack thereof, I should say) or your reasoning ability. Your turn, Buttercup. Dance Pinocchio!



And that would be the difference between us, Brian. You see, I do respect your passion for things political, I simply question the way you go about presenting things. If you would invest the time to actually read the articles you post and therefor understand the material, your efforts would hold a bit more water. And believe it or not, just because a person chooses to respond to one of your posts, it does not imply they are dancing to your tune. It's called conversation, and if this concept somehow escapes you, then perhaps you are confused as to how a message board works, as well.

[jhale667]

And also calories too, huh Shortbus? Fuck dude, try to figure something out. I realize you're not too well educated and not too bright, but even you should be able to realize that a calorie deficit is the only way one loses weight. I'll bet you think doing situps will reduce that large gut of yours too, right? :lmao:

Oh, like you're somehow my intellectual superior? Get the fuck over yourself, you mental midget. You're by FAR the biggest idiot of all the troll posters on this board. You're kinda pathetic, really...

And WHAT gut. bitch? Oh, that's right - you can't stalk my pages anymore like you used to (by your own mancrush-admission, don't even try to deny it)...you sick-ass weirdo....
Actually no - was specifically told NOT to worry so much about my caloric intake, just limit carbs and sugars. Which worked, fuckstump. You're a fucking idiot, you realize that, yes? It's a wonder your barely functioning brain-stem can figure out how to tell your LUNGS TO INFLATE...you'd make Coco the Gorilla look brilliant by comparison. She's got a larger vocabulary, probably is more of a true VH fan, and capable of more insightful posts, too. :fufu:

Oh, the irony of the stupidest motherfucker on this site trying to call someone ELSE "shortbus"...re-read some of your own posts Brainiac...you're a TOOL, no doubt about that, but definitely not the sharpest one in the drawer. :lol:

It must suck being WRONG all the time...:biggrin:


Speaking of jobs...turn around, you're burning the fries...AGAIN....:hee:

[ThrillsNSpills]

And also calories too, huh Shortbus? Fuck dude, try to figure something out. I realize you're not too well educated and not too bright, but even you should be able to realize that a calorie deficit is the only way one loses weight. I'll bet you think doing situps will reduce that large gut of yours too, right? :lmao:

Trust me, if you have neuropathy and you think HFCS is safe because the AMA told you, not only do you not have the right to call him shortbus, but your calorie nonsense is just digging you a deeper hole. I'm 6'1" and have a 30 waist and I've never counted a calorie in my life. I could coach anyone to do the same. If you think you know all the answers and are unteachable then enjoy a lifetime of suffering with neuropathy, which I wouldn't wish on anybody.

[jhale667]

Trust me, if you have neuropathy and you think HFCS is safe because the AMA told you, not only do you not have the right to call him shortbus, but your calorie nonsense is just digging you a deeper hole. I'm 6'1" and have a 30 waist and I've never counted a calorie in my life. I could coach anyone to do the same. If you think you know all the answers and are unteachable then enjoy a lifetime of suffering with neuropathy, which I wouldn't wish on anybody.

I too am 6' 1" and a 30 waist is the goal..already lost 4 inches off the waist, 2 to go...and again, calories are not the issue; if anything I wasn't eating ENOUGH, and what I was eating was not at all good for me. I was overweight (yet still malnourished) , had high BP, an enlarged thyroid and was borderline diabetic. (Proper) Diet and exercise reversed all of it. NOT counting calories.


And that would be the difference between us, Brian. You see, I do respect your passion for things political, I simply question the way you go about presenting things. If you would invest the time to actually read the articles you post and therefor understand the material, your efforts would hold a bit more water. And believe it or not, just because a person chooses to respond to one of your posts, it does not imply they are dancing to your tune. It's called conversation, and if this concept somehow escapes you, then perhaps you are confused as to how a message board works, as well. :baaa:

It's the kind of stupid you can't even fix with DUCT TAPE, bro. :biggrin:

[Guitar Shark]

I'm 6'1" and have a 30 waist and I've never counted a calorie in my life.

Careful, you'll turn him on!

[jhale667]

Careful, you'll turn him on!

True, we KNOW he has a history of mancrushes!!

[PETE'S BROTHER]

Careful, you'll turn him on!

too late :biggrin:

[ThrillsNSpills]

I too am 6' 1" and a 30 waist is the goal..already lost 4 inches off the waist, 2 to go...and again, calories are not the issue; if anything I wasn't eating ENOUGH, and what I was eating was not at all good for me. I was overweight (yet still malnourished) , had high BP, an enlarged thyroid and was borderline diabetic. (Proper) Diet and exercise reversed all of it. NOT counting calories.

With genetically modified food, Monsanto , HFCS in everything (even bread), mineral loss in soil (you have to eat 5 salads to get the nutritional value our grandparents got from 1), not to mention millions of diet plans that condradict each other, it's impossible to not be malnourished. Lobbyists and corporate greed can sabotage the most informed label readers of food packages. Acids from food (and medications)get stored in fatty tissue and that makes it harder to shred pounds.
I turned it all around by following the Ace Diamond diet plan and you can too. You are what you eat so I ate a lot of pears. lmao

[FORD]

Losing white carbs and dairy is what's working best for me. I'm not an absolute fanatic about it. I'll still eat a little bit of cheese or yogurt on occasion, and potatoes every once in a while. Sugar is an absolute rarity though, and I flat out refuse to eat anything with high fructose corn poison. Or any form of corn, for that matter, unless it's organic and from seeds made by the good Lord, and not a malevolent corporation. Just way too many reactions to that shit, besides just weight gain.

Excess sodium is just as bad if not worse for you, and it's in damn near everything. You would be surprised how salty even something as simple as peanut butter is, once you get used to the unsalted stuff (thank God for Trader Joes!)

[jhale667]

Trying to do only whole grains, wheat bread if I have bread at all, which is maybe once a day at lunch if fast food is the only option. White flour is OUT for the most part. I too am not overzealous about it, but the only dairy I get these days is cheese on a burger (which I skip the bun with) or if I cook with a little butter here and there usually (nothing else tastes like it - that isn't worse for you overall, so what are ya gonna do), and I limit myself to maybe 1 or 2 cups of tea with sugar in the early morning, a single soft-drink at lunch, then it's water the remainder of the day. I feel a LOT better than I did say, two years ago. Doing a low-sugar, low-carb, high protein/high fiber thing and it's working wonders... My last fasting blood-sugar test numbers were almost LOW, definitely below my target range - and it's nice looking at my summer vacation photos and noticing myself getting skinnier each successive year for the last two...plus, I'm not the only one who's noticing, either...

[ThrillsNSpills]

Losing white carbs and dairy is what's working best for me. I'm not an absolute fanatic about it.


You're smart. You can't get too fanatical about it. If you can make new distinctions every day and be careful where you get your information from and make small changes until they become habit then you get momentum established. Use sea salt instead of Morton's . Don't get hung up on putting a time frame on results, just enjoy the process and cheat when you want. Internal cleansing is essential but there's a lot of crap on the shelves- it's like everything with these companies using cheaper ingredients to increase profits. The more water rich food you can eat the better. (Fruits and vegetables) raw is powerful. Fruit on an empty stomach because it digests differently than everything else and if you mix things improperly you get indigestion. If you have acid reflux, take apple cidar vinegar instead of a prescription. cook with organic coconut oil, there's tons of stuff you can do and not sacrifice taste. There's some people that tell you eating a protein and a starch at the same meal sabotages digestion because the enzymes in the stomach neutralize each other. It's worth a try if it increases energy. Don't listen to what I say though-Do Your Own Research. We're all habitual by nature and you have to get in there and fuck with it. applying different knowledge gets you different results. (sounds simple and obvious, doesn't it)
I hate seeing people get fucked over by the massive amounts of misinformation. A couple years ago it hit me that people seem dumber now than 20 years ago, so then I thought if I'm having this thought then what is it about me that's stupid that I need to fix.
fuck mcdonald's and the large corporations-spend your dollars other places. Whatever you do don't drink lite beer. rant off

[jhale667]

Thrills has clearly spent some time and effort looking into this subject. Bravo!

[FORD]

Funny thing is, I was convinced a few years ago that coffee was sending my blood pressure through the ceiling, so I stopped drinking it, got on some herbal supplements that kept it in check, but at the time I hadn't cut the sodium intake. I've never been the type to add salt to much of anything. I probably have a container of Morton's salt in a cupboard somewhere that's been around since the Reagan administration - that's how little I use. But it's in such high quantities in all the processed food, and that's the habit I had to get out of, more than anything. Recently I decided I'd try coffee again, because the green tea just wasn't waking me up in the morning. Been monitoring the blood pressure, and so far it hasn't spiked with the coffee.

Goddamned food additives :mad:

[fifth element]

Yeah, it is sort of interesting to note that every single time Brian gets called out for his astoundingly consistent manner of quoting references that end up refuting, rather than supporting whatever nebulous point he attempts to make, more often than not he fails to respond. It is sort of goofy.

It more or less makes you wish to ignore anything he posts further, ya know?

lol...been ignoring most of his stuff for awhile now...so, ya, i know, i know....

[BigBadBrian]

I’ll respond to just a few items in this thread.

First off, I am not a proponent of HFCS. However, no proof exists that it is any worse for you than honey or table sugar, whose consumption is generally not a good thing. BTW, the AMA is composed of medical professionals besides doctors, including registered dieticians and researchers. Sadly, most physicians know very little of nutrition, that much I’ll give you. That being said, I support sustainable farming, keeping things raw and as natural as possible. Eating items that are on the periphery of your grocery store aisles (fruits, vegetables, meat, and dairy) generally will promote a healthier diet.

Yes jhale, you have been counting calories. So have you ThrillsNSpills, maybe without consciously realizing it. Limiting a certain number of grams of HFCS limits the exact same number of calories as limiting carbs in fruit, honey or table sugar. All grams of simple carbs = 4 calories. The same is true of complex carbs except it does take more metabolic effort for your body to process them. Exercise helps the equation even more, by both the calories burned themselves AND boosting your metabolism (cardio boosts your metabolism for 12 whereas resitance train boosts it for 72 hours…lift weights people, in addition to exercising the heart with cardio). Calories do count when it comes to losing/maintaining/gaining weight. Congratulations on your weight loss…seriously.

ThrillsNSpills has indeed posted some insightful wisdom in this thread. I suspect he’s familiar with the glycemic index. Having a certain amount a complex carbs in your diet that are low on the glycemic index scale actually promotes better weight loss of fatty tissue than a no-carb diet.

Also, bodybuilding.com is a fantastic resource as a source for links to all kinds of nutrition and exercise articles. There are others however.

[Satan]

Brian, you just answered your own question on WHY high fructose corn poison is worse than sugar or honey. Aside from the mutant GMO corn that it's made from and the chemicals used to process it, it's a ridiculously refined substance. Your body can't process the crap, so it's all absorbed into the bloodstream, spiking the blood sugar, which fucks with your pancreas, raising the risk of diabetes, and is then stored in the fat cells. Cane sugar is to HFCS what whole grain is to Wonder bread. On the surface it may look like the same shit, but not to the inner workings of your body.

[ThrillsNSpills]

(this was for Ford's, BP after 9 years here I'm too stupid to know how to quote) still appies to everyone though for the most part.

Try vitamin D, calcium, magnesium, and potassium. (getting sunlight on the face gets you vitamin D and stimulates the pineal and pituitary glands and helps with mood and other regulation) Sunscreens are toxic chemicals that block beneficial processes.

2 main causes for almost all health challenges are vitamin and mineral deficiencies and toxins in the body. (food additives are stored toxins in the body and have to be removed and they end up in fat cells)

If you do cleanses and improve nutrition many times things clear up "miraculously"

stress and electromagnetic chaos are also huge influences that throw the body out of balance.

Suppressing symptoms with meds is a short term solution but they are vitamin and mineral antagonists.
Trust me I've pissed off a lot of doctors by asking informed questions and they just walk out of the room. (It's all about the profits)

(I know this stuff is new and easy to dismiss. Go at a slow pace and try different things) Everything with the body is cause and effect.

(check with your health professional. Nothing I say is intended to treat or cure disease)
That's a legal disclamer because there's a LAW that says only a drug can cure of treat a disease. :) nuts ain't it

[ThrillsNSpills]

“Nobody can go back and start a new beginning, but anyone can start today and make a new ending.”

Butt implants can make a new ending too, no? :)

[ThrillsNSpills]

Calorie: The quantity of heat required to raise the temperature of 1 gram of water by 1°C (1 K).

If anybody can wrap their brain around the above definition, then they're smart enough to figure out how to flap your arms and fly to the Carribbean for a vacation.

But I can do 4 cleanses simultaneously and give birth to a very angry tapeworm. (that came from supermarket meat and dairy) ;)

[SunisinuS]

Calorie: The quantity of heat required to raise the temperature of 1 gram of water by 1°C (1 K).

If anybody can wrap their brain around the above definition, then they're smart enough to figure out how to flap your arms and fly to the Carribbean for a vacation.

But I can do 4 cleanses simultaneously and give birth to a very angry tapeworm. (that came from supermarket meat and dairy) ;)


Lol my brother the MD did that. He also later died from Type 2. Brian dug himself a hole here. Glad he is at least trying to think about his health.

[ThrillsNSpills]

I had a much better post but lost it.

Thing is you can ignore all the rules and live horribly and if you're laughing, and not stressing, and not watching bullshit manipulative American news designed to confuse you and piss you off and make you sad and lie to you, you can live to be an old shriveled up prune. lmao

Or until the comet blows us to tiny bits in a couple weeks like the Holy Hand grenade of Antioch.

[BigBadBrian]

Brian, you just answered your own question on WHY high fructose corn poison is worse than sugar or honey. Aside from the mutant GMO corn that it's made from and the chemicals used to process it, it's a ridiculously refined substance. Your body can't process the crap, so it's all absorbed into the bloodstream, spiking the blood sugar, which fucks with your pancreas, raising the risk of diabetes, and is then stored in the fat cells. Cane sugar is to HFCS what whole grain is to Wonder bread. On the surface it may look like the same shit, but not to the inner workings of your body.

FORD, you're all wrong with your HFCS/cane sugar thought process. Cane sugar is also an incredibly refined substance. Comparing cane sugar to whole wheat is lunacy.

[Satan]

Satan, you're all wrong with your HFCS/cane sugar thought process. Cane sugar is also an incredibly refined substance. Comparing cane sugar to whole wheat is lunacy.

You failed to see my analogy.

I wasn't comparing whole wheat to sugar. I was saying that comparing high fructose corn poison to cane sugar is like comparing wonder bread to a healthy whole grain loaf of bread.

Obviously white granulated sugar is going to be more processed than raw sugar, but it still requires a little work from the body where that Monsanto crap requires none. The better goal, of course, it to reduce added sugar of any kind as much as possible, but when necessary, it should be from the cane and not the corn.

As one who has observed all of human history, you can take a Devil's word for it: There's no question that the introduction of HFCS is directly responsible for the escalation of obesity and diabetes in your country over the last 25 years or so.

[ThrillsNSpills]

A sweet problem: Princeton researchers find that high-fructose corn syrup prompts considerably more weight gain
Posted March 22, 2010; 10:00 a.m.
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by Hilary Parker

A Princeton University research team has demonstrated that all sweeteners are not equal when it comes to weight gain: Rats with access to high-fructose corn syrup gained significantly more weight than those with access to table sugar, even when their overall caloric intake was the same.

In addition to causing significant weight gain in lab animals, long-term consumption of high-fructose corn syrup also led to abnormal increases in body fat, especially in the abdomen, and a rise in circulating blood fats called triglycerides. The researchers say the work sheds light on the factors contributing to obesity trends in the United States.

"Some brainwashed republicans on DLR sites have claimed that high-fructose corn syrup is no different than other sweeteners when it comes to weight gain and obesity, but our results make it clear that this just isn't true, at least under the conditions of our tests," said psychology professor Bart Hoebel, who specializes in the neuroscience of appetite, weight and sugar addiction. "When rats are drinking high-fructose corn syrup at levels well below those in soda pop, they're becoming obese -- every single one, across the board. Even when rats are fed a high-fat diet, you don't see this; they don't all gain extra weight."

In results published online Feb. 26 by the journal Pharmacology, Biochemistry and Behavior, the researchers from the Department of Psychology and the Princeton Neuroscience Institute reported on two experiments investigating the link between the consumption of high-fructose corn syrup and obesity.

The first study showed that male rats given water sweetened with high-fructose corn syrup in addition to a standard diet of rat chow gained much more weight than male rats that received water sweetened with table sugar, or sucrose, in conjunction with the standard diet. The concentration of sugar in the sucrose solution was the same as is found in some commercial soft drinks, while the high-fructose corn syrup solution was half as concentrated as most sodas.

The second experiment -- the first long-term study of the effects of high-fructose corn syrup consumption on obesity in lab animals -- monitored weight gain, body fat and triglyceride levels in rats with access to high-fructose corn syrup over a period of six months. Compared to animals eating only rat chow, rats on a diet rich in high-fructose corn syrup showed characteristic signs of a dangerous condition known in humans as the metabolic syndrome, including abnormal weight gain, significant increases in circulating triglycerides and augmented fat deposition, especially visceral fat around the belly. Male rats in particular ballooned in size: Animals with access to high-fructose corn syrup gained 48 percent more weight than those eating a normal diet.

"These rats aren't just getting fat; they're demonstrating characteristics of obesity, including substantial increases in abdominal fat and trying to vote for Bush again even when he's not an option anymore," said Princeton graduate student Miriam Bocarsly. "In humans, these same characteristics are known risk factors for high blood pressure, coronary artery disease, cancer and really fuggin' bad B.O." In addition to Hoebel and Bocarsly, the research team included Princeton undergraduate Elyse Powell and visiting research associate Nicole Avena, who was affiliated with Rockefeller University during the study and is now on the faculty at the University of Florida. The Princeton researchers note that they do not know yet why high-fructose corn syrup fed to rats in their study generated more triglycerides, and more body fat that resulted in obesity.
High-fructose corn syrup and sucrose are both compounds that contain the simple sugars fructose and glucose, but there at least two clear differences between them. First, sucrose is composed of equal amounts of the two simple sugars -- it is 50 percent fructose and 50 percent glucose -- but the typical high-fructose corn syrup used in this study features a slightly imbalanced ratio, containing 55 percent fructose and 42 percent glucose. Larger sugar molecules called higher saccharides make up the remaining 3 percent of the sweetener. Second, as a result of the manufacturing process for high-fructose corn syrup, the fructose molecules in the sweetener are free and unbound, ready for absorption and utilization. In contrast, every fructose molecule in sucrose that comes from cane sugar or beet sugar is bound to a corresponding glucose molecule and must go through an extra metabolic step before it can be utilized.

This creates a fascinating puzzle. The rats in the Princeton study became obese by drinking high-fructose corn syrup, but not by drinking sucrose. The critical differences in appetite, metabolism and gene expression that underlie this phenomenon are yet to be discovered, but may relate to the fact that excess fructose is being metabolized to produce fat, while glucose is largely being processed for energy or stored as a carbohydrate, called glycogen, in the liver and muscles.

In the 40 years since the introduction of high-fructose corn syrup as a cost-effective sweetener in the American diet, rates of obesity in the U.S. have skyrocketed, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. In 1970, around 15 percent of the U.S. population met the definition for obesity; today, roughly one-third of the American adults are considered obese, the CDC reported. High-fructose corn syrup is found in a wide range of foods and beverages, including fruit juice, soda, cereal, bread, yogurt, ketchup and mayonnaise. On average, Americans consume 60 pounds of the sweetener per person every year.

"Our findings lend support to the theory that the excessive consumption of high-fructose corn syrup found in many beverages may be an important factor in the obesity epidemic," Avena said.

The new research complements previous work led by Hoebel and Avena demonstrating that sucrose can be addictive, having effects on the brain similar to some drugs of abuse.

In the future, the team intends to explore how the animals respond to the consumption of high-fructose corn syrup in conjunction with a high-fat diet -- the equivalent of a typical fast-food meal containing a hamburger, fries and soda -- and whether excessive high-fructose corn syrup consumption contributes to the diseases associated with not processing the obvious. Another step will be knocking on the forehead to see if anyone is home.

http://www.princeton.edu/main/news/archive/S26/91/22K07/

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[kwame k]

"Some brainwashed republicans on DLR sites have claimed that high-fructose corn syrup is no different than other sweeteners when it comes to weight gain and obesity.......... [/IMG]

:lmao:

[Little Texan]

If you do cleanses and improve nutrition many times things clear up "miraculously"



Which cleanses would you recommend, Thrills? I've been thinking about doing a detox for a while, but there are so many bogus products out there.

[Seshmeister]

stress and electromagnetic chaos are also huge influences that throw the body out of balance.


There is a fine line between holistic lifestyle advice and hocus pocus baloney.

[Seshmeister]

Which cleanses would you recommend, Thrills? I've been thinking about doing a detox for a while, but there are so many bogus products out there.

None absolutely none.

They are ALL bogus.

[Nitro Express]

Which cleanses would you recommend, Thrills? I've been thinking about doing a detox for a while, but there are so many bogus products out there.

Fly to a tropical paradise. Eat good food. Drink good drink. Get laid a lot. You should be cured after two weeks of this.

[Nickdfresh]

None absolutely none.

They are ALL bogus.

Yeah. Just eat more vegetables and fruits....

[FORD]

(this was for Ford's, BP after 9 years here I'm too stupid to know how to quote) still appies to everyone though for the most part.

Try vitamin D, calcium, magnesium, and potassium. (getting sunlight on the face gets you vitamin D and stimulates the pineal and pituitary glands and helps with mood and other regulation) Sunscreens are toxic chemicals that block beneficial processes.

2 main causes for almost all health challenges are vitamin and mineral deficiencies and toxins in the body. (food additives are stored toxins in the body and have to be removed and they end up in fat cells)

If you do cleanses and improve nutrition many times things clear up "miraculously"

stress and electromagnetic chaos are also huge influences that throw the body out of balance.

Suppressing symptoms with meds is a short term solution but they are vitamin and mineral antagonists.
Trust me I've pissed off a lot of doctors by asking informed questions and they just walk out of the room. (It's all about the profits)

(I know this stuff is new and easy to dismiss. Go at a slow pace and try different things) Everything with the body is cause and effect.

(check with your health professional. Nothing I say is intended to treat or cure disease)
That's a legal disclamer because there's a LAW that says only a drug can cure of treat a disease. :) nuts ain't it

I've been taking Vitamin D supplements for a while (the amount of sun around here just ain't gonna cut it, especially not this year) and they are definitely helping in a number of ways. As for the whole electromagnetic chaos thing, I'm trying to find ways to reduce that shit as much as possible. I won't leave the computer on overnight anymore, not even for downloads, for example, because it did seem to mess with my sleep cycle somehow (and it wasn't because of noise, as my computer is buried under the desk)

[Seshmeister]

Whatever floats your boat but there is no affect on your body from 'electromagnetic chaos'.

If you actually lay on a cathode ray monitor we could measure the EMF but it still wouldn't do you any harm. Assuming you sleep more than a foot away from your computer it is absolutely tiny tiny irrelevant levels.

All Electromagnetic radiation comes from photons. The photon energy coming from your computer is less than one billionth of what you would get from visible light in the room. It's nothing. Any change to your sleep cycle can only be for different reasons.

You would be as well trying to get TV and radio to stop broadcasting in the US when you go to bed. Seriously we know a fuck of a lot about electromagnetism and you don't need to worry about it.

[standin]

I beg to differ, Sesh. This year for fast, I will be cutting a significant amount of electricity from the house for a set number of hours a day. Limiting electric to the barest of lighting need. I have spent enough time at the plain folk colony to realize that not being bombarded by "interference" makes a huge difference in well being. The peacefulness at the plain folk colonies are not just the old time conforming religion making it happen. Sure people are still carbon based units that malfunction in an physical world. However, there is a difference in well being when incoming "interference" is limited or eliminated.

I hope I worded that correctly. I am a little sleepy. -_-

[FORD]

You would be as well trying to get TV and radio to stop broadcasting in the US when you go to bed.

Considering most TV stations run nothing but an endless stream of mindless infomercials between midnight - 8:00 AM, they might as well stop broadcasting. Sucks to be an insomniac without a high end digital cable package.

[Seshmeister]

Hopefully you are asleep at the moment.

Everywhere you go 24/7 electromagnetic radiation passes harmlessly through your body, that's just the way it is and always has been. There is a tiny tiny bit more now that we have TV,radio, cell phones and microwaves but the increase is so small it is irrelevant. There are some silly people in Sweden who say WiFi gives them a headache and you can ask the socialist government to come around and paint your house black for nothing to reduce it but that doesn't in any way make it true that any non existent harm will be reduced.

At your age your body has been slowly starting to fail now for at least 15 years and statistically you are more than half way through your life. Your only chance of beating that is medical science coming up with some insanely good shit based on stem cell research and that's not looking too likely. For you to worry about electromagnetic chaos is like a drowning man in a swimming pool full of hungry sharks worrying about getting an infection from a fly on the ceiling.

[PETE'S BROTHER]

fuckin' flies

[FORD]

I don't have to worry about flies on the ceiling. The spiders will take care of them. Now waking up with the occasional spider bite, on the other hand.....

(No they ain't venomous, just annoying. But they eat the smaller bugs, so I try not to kill them unless I really have to)

[SunisinuS]

Hopefully you are asleep at the moment.

Everywhere you go 24/7 electromagnetic radiation passes harmlessly through your body, that's just the way it is and always has been. There is a tiny tiny bit more now that we have TV,radio, cell phones and microwaves but the increase is so small it is irrelevant. There are some silly people in Sweden who say WiFi gives them a headache and you can ask the socialist government to come around and paint your house black for nothing to reduce it but that doesn't in any way make it true that any non existent harm will be reduced.

At your age your body has been slowly starting to fail now for at least 15 years and statistically you are more than half way through your life. Your only chance of beating that is medical science coming up with some insanely good shit based on stem cell research and that's not looking too likely. For you to worry about electromagnetic chaos is like a drowning man in a swimming pool full of hungry sharks worrying about getting an infection from a fly on the ceiling.

Always a good word Ford.

:baaa:

[standin]

Hopefully you are asleep at the moment.

Everywhere you go 24/7 electromagnetic radiation passes harmlessly through your body, that's just the way it is and always has been. There is a tiny tiny bit more now that we have TV,radio, cell phones and microwaves but the increase is so small it is irrelevant. There are some silly people in Sweden who say WiFi gives them a headache and you can ask the socialist government to come around and paint your house black for nothing to reduce it but that doesn't in any way make it true that any non existent harm will be reduced.

At your age your body has been slowly starting to fail now for at least 15 years and statistically you are more than half way through your life. Your only chance of beating that is medical science coming up with some insanely good shit based on stem cell research and that's not looking too likely. For you to worry about electromagnetic chaos is like a drowning man in a swimming pool full of hungry sharks worrying about getting an infection from a fly on the ceiling.

Thanks you for your well wish, Sesh. I did sleep soon there after.

It has been quite a day. I read your post this morning and came across an opinion this morning, which helps clarify my point, however, in another section of human well being.

I do realize and am fully aware that the whole of earth has a ->type of<- magnetic force field. Moreover, the type force field most commonly referred to is quite useful. I have found the study of Earth’s Magntic field to be a passion more than once in my life. It has been a while since I have reviewed research and it would due wise for all to review and understand Earth’s magnetic force field that is known today.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_field

Please keep in mind I am speaking of conceptual, not in practice Earth. Moreover, humans are rather like cockroaches and are able to survive very large extremes, be they healthful or not.

When I speak of “interference” I speak more of pollution. In similar since to light pollution, though light is not harmful and humans are able to live in a environment that is lit 24/7, light can draw an uncomfort for humans or better put a lack of well being. Using lighting to break weaker human targets is common, for example the lighting that was used at Wako, lighting or the lack of lighting used in cells to distort time, etc..

Returning to the subject of electromagnetic fields, they in themselves are not necessarily bad. In fact if I recall my research correctly areas of mysticism or “holy” areas (natural not political) have a higher rate (it could be lower, I do not recall) of electromagnetic …. Have a different rate of electromagnetic order.

I am not studied on the actual dynamics http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orders_of_magnitude_(magnetic_field)

The point being that a certain amount of electromagnetic is useful and good. There are also different qualities, rather the same as some food is high in nutrition than others simply by the way the food is created.

That is where this article explains the well-being of food and its use in human well-being.
http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/07/28/treating-the-cause-not-the-illness/

It is a long article and however, it does explain the needfulness of wholesome food. And as Thirllsandspills pointed out our lack of a good food source.

The same goes for other common items such as lighting or electromagnetic fields.

This has gotten to be a four-hundred-word discourse and I try to keep two-hundred as a threshold. I pray I was concise, yet thorough enough.

So in conclusion, electromagnetic force fields in essences are not deadly, or even significantly dangerously hurtful (generally speaking) however, their effects on the human body and neurological output or well-being are indeed measureable.

[standin]

For those that might have an interest. I located the where public information is availed for


Geomagnetism

The study of geomagnetism is one of the oldest of the geophysical sciences. The geomagnetic fields have been observed and used from ancient times. Modern uses of geomagnetic data include navigation and mineral exploration. The National Geophysical Data Center develops and distributes models of the geomagnetic field and maintains archives of geomagnetic data to further the understanding of Earth magnetism and the Sun-Earth environment.

http://www.ngdc.noaa.gov/geomag/

A few links I found interesting:

Magnetic Field Research Models
http://www.ngdc.noaa.gov/geomag/EMM/index.html

World Digital Magnetic Anomaly Map
http://projects.gtk.fi/WDMAM/

The data available here are a compilation of digitally converted analog magnetic field intensity maps. These maps are either USGS or publicly accessible publications. They were generated as needed to fulfill USGS project requirements.
Choose from one of the following states or territory.
http://pubs.usgs.gov/of/1999/ofr-99-0557/html/mag_home.htm

[Seshmeister]

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[Nitro Express]

Oh ye silly gentiles. Benjamine Netanyaho it the best thing that ever happen to Israel.

[FORD]

Hypocritical as ever, eh Gene?

Let's see how many hypocrisies we can count....

"Israel is home", but I thought it was the "armpit of the world"? (oops, you weren't "home" when you said that, so it doesn't count)
"We must support NuttyYahoo no matter what". - Yeah, easy to say when you don't live there and have to live with the results of his genocidal obsessions.
"KISS is the greatest show on earth" - but you won't play in the country you just called "home" because it costs money to go there? Maybe you should give Bono a call, Chaim. His band has a huge stage, and they have managed to take their show to Israel without any problems. And they ain't even Jewish!

[Nitro Express]

Hypocritical as ever, eh Gene?

Let's see how many hypocrisies we can count....

"Israel is home", but I thought it was the "armpit of the world"? (oops, you weren't "home" when you said that, so it doesn't count)
"We must support NuttyYahoo no matter what". - Yeah, easy to say when you don't live there and have to live with the results of his genocidal obsessions.
"KISS is the greatest show on earth" - but you won't play in the country you just called "home" because it costs money to go there? Maybe you should give Bono a call, Chaim. His band has a huge stage, and they have managed to take their show to Israel without any problems. And they ain't even Jewish!

Gene's hometown is a port city. I've been there. You can bring big ships in and unload them with the big cranes there. You wouldn't have to fly the stage and equipment in. You could bring it in by ship which I'm sure they do when they take the show to Europe and other places. Water is the cheapest way to ship anything.

[Seshmeister]

I think it's unlikely that Gene has ever sat at a checkpoint in an ambulance for two hours whilst someone dies waiting to be allowed through to their hospital.

[standin]

Jewish people should boycott Israel until the extremist Christians that are trying to encourage Armageddon by their own hand regardless of the harm to all, let go of their grip on Israel's politics.

[Nitro Express]

I think it's unlikely that Gene has ever sat at a checkpoint in an ambulance for two hours whilst someone dies waiting to be allowed through to their hospital.

Gene lives in Beverly Hills across the street from Ann Margaret. Not too many checkpoints in that neighborhood.