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Nickdfresh
07-23-2011, 07:39 AM
At least 84 dead in Norway youth camp attack
Premier says 'my youth paradise' has turned into 'hell'; police say suspect's website indicates he was a right-wing, Christian fundamentalist

OSLO, Norway — A suspected right-wing Christian gunman in police uniform killed at least 84 people in a ferocious attack on a youth summer camp of Norway's ruling Labour party, hours after a bomb killed seven in Oslo.

National police Chief Oystein Maeland said the attack had reached "catastrophic dimensions."

Witnesses said the gunman, identified by police as a 32-year-old Norwegian, moved across the small, wooded Utoeya holiday island on Friday firing at random as young people scattered in fear.

Police detained the tall, blond suspect, named by local media as Anders Behring Breivik, and charged him for the island killing spree and the Oslo bomb blast.

Prime Minister Jens Stoltenberg, capturing the shock the attacks have caused in this normally quiet nation of 4.8 million, said he had been to the island every summer since 1979, saying "my youth paradise, and now it's been changed to hell," according to a simultaneous translation provided by Sky News.
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The 32-year-old suspect questioned by Norway's police over twin attacks on a youth camp and the government headquarters
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This undated image obtained on July 23, 2011 on Facebook shows the 32-year-old suspect questioned by Norway's police over twin attacks on a youth camp and the government headquarters.

Deputy Police Chief Roger Andresen would not speculate on the man's motives but told a news conference: "He describes himself as a Christian, leaning toward right-wing Christianity, on his Facebook page."

"As of now we have 84 dead at Utoeya," Andresen said. "In Oslo, with the explosion and the impact it had, we are not yet sure if that number is final. At Utoeya, the water is still being searched for more victims."

Teenagers at the lakeside camp fled screaming in panic, many leaping into the water to save themselves, when the assailant began spraying them with gunfire, witnesses said.

'Please no, please no'
Adrian Pracon, on official at the youth camp, gave an terrifying account to BBC News, describing how people were shot dead around him and he only survived by playing dead.

Pracon, speaking from his hospital bed, said when he first began to hear shooting, he thought it must be some kind of drill. Then he saw people he worked with trying to flee the gunman.

"As they were running, they were shot from behind, falling just in front of me," Pracon said.

He and a group of people then ran into the water and started swimming.

"I was the last man hitting the water and therefore I didn't have time to take my shoes and clothes off," Pracon told the BBC. "I had to return because the boots and clothes were pulling me under."

As he returned, the gunman was on the shore and Pracon thought he was about to die. "He saw me returning, he saw I was almost at the shore and pointed the barrel at me. At that time I yelled and cried 'Please no, please no.'"

Pracon told the BBC that for some reason the gunman "spared my life."

He said he lay down on the shore among a number of dead bodies and tried to play dead.

"Then there approached 10 people. He started shooting at every single person, they were crying, they were screaming, people were falling over me. These were my friends," Pracon told the BBC. "While I was playing [dead], I had to shield myself with people. By playing dead, I believed I saved my own life."

Pracon said he was shot in the back at close range by the gunman. "I didn't look up to see him ... but I could feel the warm air from the barrel. My left ear had an injury because of the blast when I got shot. It felt like someone hit me."

He told the BBC that he lay perfectly still and thought the gunman must have believed that he was dead.

Boy, 11, chased by gunman
Pracon, who was in hospital with what he described as a low-priority wound, said at one point during the killings, a boy aged about 11 ran up to him. "He said his dad was just shot and now the gunman is after him," he said.

Another survivor, Emilie Bersaas, told Sky News she heard gunshots, fled to nearby building and hid under a bed.

"The shooting came from all different directions," she said. "It was very terrifying. At one point the shooting was very, very close to the building — I think it actually hit the building one time."

Survivor Jorgen Benone spoke of "total chaos" on the island.

"I saw people being shot. I tried to sit as quietly as possible. I was hiding behind some stones. I saw him once, just 20, 30 metres away from me. I thought 'I'm terrified for my life', I thought of all the people I love," he said.

"I saw some boats but I wasn't sure if I could trust them. I didn't know who I could trust any more," he added. "I think several lost their lives as they tried to get over to the mainland."

Anita Lien, 42, who lives by Tyrifjord lake, a few hundred yards from Utoeya, said she saw about 50 people swimming toward the shore from the island.

"People were crying, shaking, they were terrified," said "They were so young, between 14 and 19 years old."

Others sought shelter in buildings as shots echoed across the island that was hosting the annual camp for the youth wing of the Labour Party, the dominant force in politics since World War Two. Others fled into the woods or tried to swim to safety.

Boats searched for survivors into the night, searchlights sweeping the coast. Rescue helicopters flew overhead.

'A national tragedy'
Stoltenberg said he knew many of the victims personally. "I know the young people and I know their parents," he said.

"And what hurts more is that this place where I have been every summer since 1979, and where I have experienced joy, commitment and security, has been hit by brutal violence," he added.

"What happened at Utoeya is a national tragedy," he said of the small wooded holiday island where the gunman ran amok. "Not since World War Two has our country seen a greater crime."

A camp guard, Simen Braenden Mortensen, said that the gunman had tricked his way onto the island by posing as a policeman driving a silver grey car.

"He gets out of the car and shows ID, says he's sent there to check security, that that is purely routine in connection with the terror attack (in Oslo)," Mortensen told the daily Verdens Gang.

"It all looks fine, and a boat is called and it carries him over to Utoya. A few minutes passed, then we heard shots," he said.

Bjorn Jarle Rodberg Larsen, a member of the Hedmark County Council of Labor, told Nettavisen that colleagues on the scene said the man walked in Friday afternoon shortly after the bombing.

"He was in a police uniform and said he was part of the increased security," Larsen said, quoting the eyewitnesses. "A little after he arrived, he took out a gun and began shooting."

At a news conference Friday night, police said the gunman was not connected to the police and "has no relation to us."
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Debris is seen on the street after a powerful explosion rocked central Oslo
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The bomb, which shook Oslo's centre in mid-afternoon, blew out the windows of the prime minister's building and damaged the finance and oil ministry buildings.

In Oslo, police confirmed at least seven dead in the bomb blast. At least 10 injured people were admitted to Oslo University Hospital, a hospital spokesman told Reuters.
Slideshow: Bomb blast in central Oslo (on this page)

Police also found undetonated explosives on Utoeya, a pine-clad island about 500 yards long.

With police advising people to evacuate central Oslo, and some soldiers taking up positions on the streets, the usually sleepy capital was gripped by fear of fresh attacks. Streets were strewn with shattered masonry, glass and twisted steel.

Right-wing militancy has generated sporadic attacks in other countries, including the United States. In 1995, 168 people were killed when Timothy McVeigh detonated a truck bomb at a federal building in Oklahoma City.

The Oslo district attacked is the very heart of power in Norway. Nevertheless, security is not tight in a country unused to such violence and better known for awarding the Nobel Peace Prize and mediating in conflicts, including the Middle East and Sri Lanka.

One witness in Oslo, who spoke to the BBC and was identified only as Ella, said, "We are the good guys; stuff like this doesn't happen to us."

This article includes reporting from Reuters, msnbc.com staff and NBC News (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/43854355/ns/world_news-europe/?GT1=43001#)

BITEYOASS
07-23-2011, 10:07 AM
At first I thought the suspect was somebody from the Black-metal movement.

jhale667
07-23-2011, 02:24 PM
"Christian" Terrorism? C'mon, that never happens...:umm:

OK, now all the people calling for halts to the construction/openings of mosques and whatnot across the US and internationally have to oppose new Christian churches with equal zeal... or STFU.

FORD
07-23-2011, 02:38 PM
Genocidal Islamophobic wackjobs PUMA Pam Gellar and Daniel "Crack" Pipes were this assclown's "inspiration".

Just like those cartoons published in the right wing papers in Denmark a few years ago, the ones showing Mohammad with a bomb turban. The same ones that GAyR used to bring Muslim hackers to this board.
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The Norway massacre and the nexus of Islamophobia and right-wing Zionism

by Alex Kane on July 23, 2011


Details on the culprit behind yesterday's massacre in Norway, which saw car bombings in Oslo and a mass shooting attack on the island of Utoya that caused the deaths of at least 91 people, have begun to emerge. While it is still too early for a complete portrait of the killer, Anders Behring Breivik, there are enough details to begin to piece together what's behind the attack.

Although initial media reports, spurred on by the tweets of former State Department adviser on violent extremism Will McCants, linked the attacks to Islamist extremists, it was in fact an anti-Muslim zealot who committed the murders. An examination of Breivik's views, and his support for far-right European political movements, makes it clear that only by interrogating the nexus of Islamophobia and right-wing Zionism can one understand the political beliefs behind the terrorist attack.

Breivik is apparently an avid fan of U.S.-based anti-Muslim activists such as Pamela Geller, Robert Spencer and Daniel Pipes, and has repeatedly professed his ardent support for Israel. Breivik's political ideology is illuminated by looking at comments he posted to the right-wing site document.no, which author and journalist Doug Sanders put up.

Here's a sampling of some of Breivik's comments:


And then we have the relationship between conservative Muslims and so-called "moderate Muslims".

There is moderate Nazis, too, that does not support fumigation of rooms and Jews. But they're still Nazis and will only sit and watch as the conservatives Nazis strike (if it ever happens). If we accept the moderate Nazis as long as they distance themselves from the fumigation of rooms and Jews?

Now it unfortunately already cut himself with Marxists who have already infiltrated-culture, media and educational organizations. These individuals will be tolerated and will even work asprofessors and lecturers at colleges / universities and are thus able to spread their propaganda.

For me it is very hypocritical to treat Muslims, Nazis and Marxists differ. They are all supporters of hate-ideologies...(page 2-3)

What is globalization and modernity to do with mass Muslim immigration?

And you may not have heard and Japan and South Korea? These are successful and modern regimes even if they rejected multiculturalism in the 70's. Are Japanese and South Koreans goblins?

Can you name ONE country where multiculturalism is successful where Islam is involved? The only historical example is the society without a welfare state with only non-Muslim minorities (U.S.)...(page 7)

We have selected the Vienna School of Thought as the ideological basis. This implies opposition to multiculturalism and Islamization (on cultural grounds). All ideological arguments based on anti-racism. This has proven to be very successful which explains why the modern cultural conservative movement / parties that use the Vienna School of Thought is so successful: the Progress Party,Geert Wilders, document and many others...(page 13)

I consider the future consolidation of the cultural conservative forces on all seven fronts as the most important in Norway and in all Western European countries. It is essential that we work to ensure that all these 7 fronts using the Vienna school of thought, or at least parts of the grunlag for 20-70 year-struggle that lies in front of us.

The book is called, by the way 2083 and is in English, 1100 pages).

To sums up the Vienna school of thought:

-Cultural Conservatism (anti-multiculturalism)

-Against Islamization

-Anti-racist

-Anti-authoritarian (resistance to all authoritarian ideologies of hate)

-Pro-Israel/forsvarer of non-Muslim minorities in Muslim countries

- Defender of the cultural aspects of Christianity

- To reveal the Eurabia project and the Frankfurt School (ny-marxisme/kulturmarxisme/multikulturalisme)

- Is not an economic policy and can collect everything from socialists to capitalists...(page 20)

Daniel Pipes: Leftism and Islam. Muslims, the warriors Marxists Have Been praying for.

link to www.youtube.com

The following summarizes the agenda of many kulturmarxister with Islam, it explains also why those on death and life protecting them. It explains so well why we, the cultural conservatives,are against Islamization and the implementation of these agendas... (page 27)

We must therefore make sure to influence other cultural conservatives to come to our anti-rasistiske/pro-homser/pro-Israel line. When they reach this line, one can take it to the next level...(page 41)

Breivik's right-wing pro-Israel line, combined with his antipathy to Muslims, is just one example of the European far-right's ideology, exemplified by groups such as the English Defense League (EDL). The EDL, a group Breivik praises, along with the anti-Muslim politician Geert Wilders, share with Breivik an admiration for Israel.

Anti-Muslim activists and right-wing Zionists share a political narrative that the Israeli/Palestinian conflict is a "clash of civilizations," one in which Judeo-Christian culture is under attack by Islam. Israel, in this narrative, is the West's bulwark against the threat that Islam is posing to Europe and the United States. The nexus of Islamophobia and right-wing Zionism was clearly on display during last summer's "Ground Zero mosque" hysteria, which culminated in a rally where Geller and Wilders addressed a crowd that included members of the EDL waving Israeli flags.

This comment by Breivik is one example of the twisted way in which Islamophobia and a militant pro-Israel ideology fit together:


Cultural conservatives disagree when they believe the conflict is based on Islamic imperialism,that Islam is a political ideology and not a race.

Cultural conservatives believe Israel has a right to protect themselves against the Jihad.

Kulturmarxistene refuses to recognize the fact that Islam's political doctrine is relevant and essential. They can never admit to or support this because they believe that this is primarily about a race war - that Israel hates Arabs (breed).

As long as you can not agree on the fundamental perceptions of reality are too naive to expect that one to come to any conclusion.Before one at all can begin to discuss this conflict must first agree on the fundamental truths of Islam's political doctrine.

Most people here have great insight in key Muslim concepts that al-taqiiya (political deceit), naskh (Quranic abrogation) and Jihad. The problem is that kulturmarxister refuses to recognizet hese concepts.They can not recognize these key Muslim concepts. For if they do so erodes the primary argument that Israel is a "racist state" and that this is a race war (Israelis vs. Arabs) and not defense against Jihad (Kafr vs. Ummah)

Breivik's admiration for the likes of Daniel Pipes is also telling, and should serve as a warning that, while it would be extremely unfair and wrong to link Pipes in any way to the massacre in Norway, Breivik's views are not so far off from some establishment neoconservative voices in the U.S. For instance, both Pipes and Breivik share a concern with Muslim demographics in Europe. In 1990, Pipes wrote in the National Review that "Western European societies are unprepared for the massive immigration of brown-skinned peoples cooking strange foods and maintaining different standards of hygiene...All immigrants bring exotic customs and attitudes, but Muslim customs are more troublesome than most."

Pipes was appointed by the Bush administration to the U.S. Institute of Peace, and sits on the same board than none other than the Obama administration's point man on the Middle East, Dennis Ross.

Pipes' and Breivik's concern about Muslim and Arab demographics also recall the remarks of Harvard Fellow Martin Kramer, who infamously told the Herzliya Conference in Israel last year that the West should "stop providing pro-natal subsidies for Palestinians with refugee status...Israel's present sanctions on Gaza have a political aim, undermine the Hamas regime, but they also break Gaza's runaway population growth and there is some evidence that they have."

Adding to the Israel/Palestine angle here is the fact that the day before the attack on the island of Utoya, a Palestine solidarity event was held there.

Why Breivik, and his accomplices if he had any, would attack young Norwegians remains unclear. But it probably had something to do with Breivik's belief that European governments, and the Norwegian government, were run by "Marxists" allied with Islamist extremists who were bent on destroying Europe through "multiculturalism."

Of course, support for Israel and its current right-wing policies do not automatically translate into support for extremist right-wing violence. But Palestinians, and the larger Arab and Muslim world, know far too well the consequences of Islamophobia and far right-wing Zionism. Now, it seems that Norwegians do too. While much remains to be learned about the attacks in Norway, it has exposed the dangerous nexus of Islamophobia, neoconservatism and right-wing Zionism, and what could happen when the wrong person subscribes to those toxic beliefs.

Alex Kane, a freelance journalist currently based in Amman, Jordan, blogs on Israel/Palestine at alexbkane.wordpress.com. Follow him on Twitter @alexbkane.

Link (http://mondoweiss.net/2011/07/the-norway-massacre-and-the-nexus-of-islamophobia-and-right-wing-zionism.html)

ThrillsNSpills
07-23-2011, 03:30 PM
I don't know too many Right Wing "Christians" that have devil horns on their chin.

Golden AWe
07-23-2011, 07:30 PM
He also sent his "book" to several politicians in whole Scandinavia...the extreme right and all kinds of hate movement has been on the rise for the last ten years or so and idiotic opinions run free via "freedom of speech", peole are out of their minds. Some of the reactions to this were "reminding us, that even though this guy was not a muslim, HE COULD HAVE BEEN"

Nitro Express
07-23-2011, 09:38 PM
A lot of this seems to be a backlash towards immigration of outsiders. I have relatives in Norway and they complain about the muslims moving in and things not being as good as they once were. You see the same thing in Russia and other countries. What's strange is you have a Nazi movement on the rise in Russia and these kid's grandparents fought the Nazis but they hate the outsiders from the middle east and asia moving in and adopt the Nazi thuggery as the glue to keep some kind of movement going or an organizational node to rally around. I guess why reinvent the wheel since Hitler and company already wrote the handbook so lets borrow from it.

The bottom line is the guy was an extreme nut job who wanted to make his statement and hurt those he couldn't stand in the worst possible way. I remember when that shooting happened in Arizona and certain people blamed the christian right for that one. It turned out the guy was just a nut job. There is an anti-christian thing brewing that is unhealthy as well where they seem to be the scape goats for everything that is wrong to a certain group of the population. It seems like everyone is out hunting the witches.

Va Beach VH Fan
07-24-2011, 11:55 AM
I really hate to repeat myself, but chalk these up to more deaths due to religion.....

ThrillsNSpills
07-24-2011, 12:04 PM
If that's a Christian, then I'm an armadillo.

Dude's got the face of pure evil.

Satan
07-24-2011, 01:02 PM
Funny how you never see Satanists involved in these things, isn't it? http://www.cosgan.de/images/smilie/teufel/d060.gif

ThrillsNSpills
07-24-2011, 02:00 PM
Funny how you never see Satanists involved in these things, isn't it? http://www.cosgan.de/images/smilie/teufel/d060.gif

Well I guess it would stand to reason that scratch would be a disinfo agent, eh?

Nitro Express
07-25-2011, 03:59 AM
I can't believe how long it took the authorities to get out to the scene. They should have called in The Cobra to take care of business.

Nitro Express
07-25-2011, 04:04 AM
Funny how you never see Satanists involved in these things, isn't it? http://www.cosgan.de/images/smilie/teufel/d060.gif

They are too busy kidnapping and raping children to bother with bombing government buildings and mass shootings.

Nitro Express
07-25-2011, 04:20 AM
With the world economy getting worse we will only see more of it. When you destroy the jobs of the working class and outsiders come in it's always a powder keg. When people have no hope, they become very dangerous.

ashstralia
07-25-2011, 06:49 AM
this is deep. the power of one man's delusion.

ashstralia
07-25-2011, 09:31 AM
i have to say too; this event seems to be flying under the radar in the u.s. from what i've read... it's huge though. a game changer. the ripples from this incident will be felt for years. the fact that the bloke left a huge diary and is still alive is astonishing...

chefcraig
07-25-2011, 09:35 AM
i have to say too; this event seems to be flying under the radar in the u.s. from what i've read...

Not at all - it has been the lead news story on all networks and has been at the top of newspaper headlines as well.

ashstralia
07-25-2011, 09:53 AM
thanks craig, some euro-centric sites were stating otherwise.

Dr. Love
07-25-2011, 05:45 PM
Come on, let's be serious here ... with douchebag facial hair like that, you weren't surprised he did it.

binnie
07-25-2011, 06:28 PM
It's very sad that this event has already been absorbed into the centre-ground of left vs right ideology concerning Islam and multiculturalism.

Not everything needs a narrative to make sense.

rocking ron
07-25-2011, 07:47 PM
This is so insane, I didn't believe what I saw.
Killing your 'own' people to let the world know your ideas and way of thinking etc

Norway doesn't have a 'death penalty' and the maximum punishement is 21 years in prison, you can't believe this animal walks out over 21 years, 'they' have to change some laws overthere!!
We all know the world is full of idiots , and we all know this will not be the last outrageous action, no, it's only getting worser!!!:(

FORD
07-26-2011, 08:21 PM
Norway's corrective to our post 9/11 terror myth

A fixation with the jihadist threat makes Americans blind to the insidious menace of a rightwing extremist like Anders Breivik


Matthew Harwood
guardian.co.uk, Tuesday 26 July 2011 21.30 BST

The first images of the destruction in Oslo's city centre Friday were reminiscent of New York City's, Madrid's and London's encounters with jihadist terrorism. But Oslo also looked eerily like Oklahoma City in 1995. And as the news trickled in that the terrorist attack was the work of Anders Behring Breivik, a Norwegian rightwing extremist, Americans had rapidly to re-evaluate their comfortable post 9/11 belief that only swarthy jihadists engage in terrorist atrocities. The ghost of Osama bin Laden quickly morphed into the visage of Timothy McVeigh.

No religion, ideology, race or ethnicity has a monopoly on political violence. Despite this truism, many Americans and US media outlets continue to conflate Islam with terrorism – a fact many media critics documented during the clumsy breaking coverage of Breivik's attack. This may seem understandable as we Americans face the anniversary of 11 September 2001 in little more than a month. Homegrown and overseas jihadists certainly present a clear and present danger to the United States, but they are by no means the only threat or, arguably, the most dangerous. Indeed, the US has come face to face with many potential Breiviks before – fortunately, few as bloodily effective as this terrorist.

Since 9/11, there have been at least five incidents where American extremists possessed or sought to obtain chemical, biological or radiological materials, according to the post 9/11 database compiled by the Muslim Public Affairs Council. Of these five, three cases involved white males holding white supremacist and extreme anti-government beliefs. None, however, was jihadists. Incidents such as these show that it isn't only al-Qaida and its fellow travellers who want to make a spectacle of indiscriminate slaughter. Yet, past incidents like the shooting at the Holocaust museum; the murder of abortion doctor Dr George Tiller; Joseph Stack's suicide attack on the IRS building in Austin, Texas; and a neo-Nazi's disrupted attack on a Martin Luther King Day Parade in Spokane, Washington; all highlight the US media's blind spot to terrorist acts and plots not perpetrated by Muslims. Rarely are they described as what they are: rightwing terrorists.

For those cultural conservatives and Tea Partiers who have taken the time to glance at Breivik's mammoth manifesto (pdf), it must make for uncomfortable reading. With its early and frequent denunciations of "cultural Marxism", "Islamisation" and "homosexuality", it isn't a stretch to argue that Breivik would have felt comfortable at a Michele Bachmann rally, nodding along with her legions of supporters forever fearful of socialism, sharia law and same-sex marriage.

Which is not to suggest Breivik was inspired by the Tea Party or Michele Bachmann, but what Breivik's attack – in common with other under-reported incidents in the United States – demonstrates is that when the attacker looks much like you and believes similar things, it becomes nearly impossible to see him for what he is. Nor, when he could pass for "one of us", are we likely to demonise him with wild generalisations about his race or religion. When the terrorist looks like you, he gets downgraded to "an extremist", or to the more vanilla description, "disturbed individual", and is handled efficiently, and correctly, by the criminal justice system.

But this makes it easier to ignore the atrocity as an aberration rather than analysing it as something potentially more significant and menacing. It goes without saying that a society rarely declares a "war on terror" when the terrorists look like them and hold similar cultural and religious beliefs. That's the inherent danger of chauvinism: it erodes a citizenry's ability to see a metastasising threat, while manageable threats become existential.

The most pressing lesson Americans should take away from Breivik's terrorist attack is that liberal democratic society has many enemies, some of whom have no compunction about exploiting freedom and tolerance to create corpses. These enemies can take on many faces – jihadism, Christian nationalism, white supremacism – but their underlying bone structures remain the same. Americans who cannot see that jihadists and Christian white supremacists suffer from the same affliction only leave their backs exposed to a more intimate, and thus more dangerous, threat. Terrorists come in all shapes and sizes: sometimes, they even look, act and believe as we do.

Hardrock69
07-27-2011, 02:59 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s97hC89h5is&feature=player_embedded

ToraToraTora
07-27-2011, 03:09 PM
I think these type of cctv things are even scarier coz there's no sound. Frightening

standin
07-28-2011, 07:52 PM
This was very sad. may all involved have peace. :(