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  • FORD
    ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

    • Jan 2004
    • 58754

    Russia issues stark warning against attack on Iran

    Russia issues stark warning against attack on Iran
    IAEA expected to say that Iran is nearing nuclear capability, according to report

    msnbc.com staff and news service reports
    updated 2 hours 12 minutes ago



    Russia and Iran warned the West against a military strike on the Islamic Republic Monday, saying an attack targeting its nuclear program would lead to civilian casualties and create new threats to global security.

    The separate remarks by foreign ministers Sergei Lavrov of Russia and Ali Akbar Salehi of Iran coincided with speculation about a potential Israeli strike on Iranian nuclear sites ahead of the release of a U.N. watchdog report expected to cast more light on suspected military aspects to Iran's nuclear activity.

    "This would be a very serious mistake fraught with unpredictable consequences," Lavrov told a news conference in Moscow when asked about reports that Israel was preparing for a possible pre-emptive military strike.

    In St. Petersburg, Russia, Salehi said Iran "condemns any threat of military attack on independent states."

    Salehi spoke alongside Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin and other ministers from nations in the Shanghai Cooperation Organization (SCO), a regional grouping dominated by Russia and China in which Iran has observer status.

    Germany's Foreign Ministry also rejected military action against Iran, suggesting that the dispute should be resolved through diplomatic pressure instead. "This continues to be the key way to move forward in dealing with this threat to regional and international security," a spokesman said.

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    New disclosures in the IAEA report provide details on an apparent secret research program that was more ambitious, more organized and more successful than commonly suspected, The Washington Post said.

    The paper said the report's findings provide new details on the role played by a former Soviet weapons scientist who allegedly tutored Iranians on high-precision detonators of the kind used to trigger a nuclear chain reaction.

    Technology linked to Pakistani and North Korean experts also helped Iran advance its capabilities, the officials and experts told the paper.

    The report says the intelligence also supports concerns that Iran continued to conduct weapons-related nuclear research after 2003, when U.S. intelligence agencies believed Iran halted the research in response to international pressure.

    "The program never really stopped," David Albright, a former IAEA official who reviewed the agency's findings, told the paper.

    "After 2003, money was made available for research in areas that sure look like nuclear weapons work but were hidden within civilian institutions," Albright told the paper.

    Western powers believe Iran is trying to develop nuclear weapons under the cover of a civilian nuclear energy program.

    Tehran denies wanting atom bombs, saying it is enriching uranium only to power reactors for electricity generation.

    The United States, the European Union and their allies have imposed economic sanctions on Tehran for refusing to halt its uranium enrichment program.

    The United States and Israel have repeatedly hinted at the possible use of force against Iranian nuclear sites, eliciting threats of fierce retaliation from the Islamic Republic.

    Based on the intelligence the U.N. agency has concluded that Iran "has sufficient information to design and produce a workable implosion nuclear device" using highly enriched uranium as its fissile core, Albright said.

    Albright described some of the highlights at a private conference of intelligence professionals last week, the newspaper said, adding that it had obtained slides from the presentation and a summary of Albright's notes.

    Russia and China grudgingly supported four previous rounds of sanctions against Iran over its nuclear program. But the two veto-wielding U.N. Security Council members have made clear any new sanctions would be an extremely tough sell.

    Moscow is calling for a step-by-step process under which the existing sanctions would be eased in return for actions by Iran to dispel concerns over its nuclear program, which Tehran says is purely peaceful.

    Russia, which has built Iran's first nuclear power station, has vociferously opposed any military action.

    "There is no military solution to the Iranian nuclear problem as there is no military solution to any other problem in the modern world," said Lavrov.

    "This is confirmed to us every day when we see how the problems of the conflicts around Iran are being resolved -- whether Iraq or Afghanistan or what is happening in other countries in the region. Military intervention only leads to many times more deaths and human suffering."

    Reflecting regional fear of blowback from any attack on Iran, a government official in Kuwait said the Gulf state would not let its territory be used to launch attacks on any of its neighbors. Kuwait was a launchpad for the 2003 U.S.-led invasion of Iraq and lies a short distance from Iran across the Gulf.

    Salehi echoed Lavrov's words hours later.

    "Past experience has shown that willful, unilateral military actions by certain countries have led to instability, to the murder of innocent people and to the emergence of new threats to the world," he said at the SCO meeting.

    Israeli media have been rife with talk that Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu is working to secure cabinet consensus for an attack on Iranian nuclear installations.

    In Washington, Pentagon spokesman George Little said the United States remained focused on using diplomatic and economic levers to pressure Iran.

    Asked whether he believed Israel would give the United States advance notice in the event of military action against Iran, Little said: "It would always of course be preferable on a matter as grave as this to work closely with the Israelis."

    A military strike would likely provoke Tehran into hugely disruptive retaliatory measures in the Gulf that would sever shipping routes and disrupt the flow of oil and gas to export markets, political analysts believe.

    It would sour ties between the West and Russia, where Putin is expected to return to the presidency in 2012.

    Senior Russian security officials accept that the West has legitimate concerns about Iran's nuclear program. But Putin has said several times in the past that there was no clear evidence that Iran is trying to develop a nuclear bomb

    Reuters contributed to this report.
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  • FORD
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    • Jan 2004
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    #2
    Ezekiel 38
    A Message for Gog
    1 This is another message that came to me from the Lord: 2 “Son of man, turn and face Gog of the land of Magog, the prince who rules over the nations of Meshech and Tubal, and prophesy against him. 3 Give him this message from the Sovereign Lord: Gog, I am your enemy! 4 I will turn you around and put hooks in your jaws to lead you out with your whole army—your horses and charioteers in full armor and a great horde armed with shields and swords. 5 Persia, Ethiopia, and Libya will join you, too, with all their weapons. 6 Gomer and all its armies will also join you, along with the armies of Beth-togarmah from the distant north, and many others.

    7 “Get ready; be prepared! Keep all the armies around you mobilized, and take command of them. 8 A long time from now you will be called into action. In the distant future you will swoop down on the land of Israel, which will be enjoying peace after recovering from war and after its people have returned from many lands to the mountains of Israel. 9 You and all your allies—a vast and awesome army—will roll down on them like a storm and cover the land like a cloud.

    10 “This is what the Sovereign Lord says: At that time evil thoughts will come to your mind, and you will devise a wicked scheme. 11 You will say, ‘Israel is an unprotected land filled with unwalled villages! I will march against her and destroy these people who live in such confidence! 12 I will go to those formerly desolate cities that are now filled with people who have returned from exile in many nations. I will capture vast amounts of plunder, for the people are rich with livestock and other possessions now. They think the whole world revolves around them!’ 13 But Sheba and Dedan and the merchants of Tarshish will ask, ‘Do you really think the armies you have gathered can rob them of silver and gold? Do you think you can drive away their livestock and seize their goods and carry off plunder?’

    14 “Therefore, son of man, prophesy against Gog. Give him this message from the Sovereign Lord: When my people are living in peace in their land, then you will rouse yourself.[b] 15 You will come from your homeland in the distant north with your vast cavalry and your mighty army, 16 and you will attack my people Israel, covering their land like a cloud. At that time in the distant future, I will bring you against my land as everyone watches, and my holiness will be displayed by what happens to you, Gog. Then all the nations will know that I am the Lord.

    17 “This is what the Sovereign Lord asks: Are you the one I was talking about long ago, when I announced through Israel’s prophets that in the future I would bring you against my people? 18 But this is what the Sovereign Lord says: When Gog invades the land of Israel, my fury will boil over! 19 In my jealousy and blazing anger, I promise a mighty shaking in the land of Israel on that day. 20 All living things—the fish in the sea, the birds of the sky, the animals of the field, the small animals that scurry along the ground, and all the people on earth—will quake in terror at my presence. Mountains will be thrown down; cliffs will crumble; walls will fall to the earth. 21 I will summon the sword against you on all the hills of Israel, says the Sovereign Lord. Your men will turn their swords against each other. 22 I will punish you and your armies with disease and bloodshed; I will send torrential rain, hailstones, fire, and burning sulfur! 23 In this way, I will show my greatness and holiness, and I will make myself known to all the nations of the world. Then they will know that I am the Lord.
    Meschech = Moscow
    Persia = Iran
    Ethiopia = The Biblical version was a much larger region of Africa than the current nation. Think Somalia, Sudan, etc.
    Gomer= Germany
    Togarmah= Turkey

    Or in other words, the arrogance of Israel's Likud warmongers, and specifically the obsessive paranoia of one Benjamin NuttyYahoo is about to begin World War III and fulfill a really old prophecy all at the same time.

    Nice going, asshole.
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    • PETE'S BROTHER
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      #3
      and i feeel fiiine
      Another one of those classic genius posts, sure to generate responses. You log on the next day to see what your witty gem has produced to find no one gets it and 2 knotheads want to stick their dicks in it... Well played, sir!!

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      • Candy Girl

        #4

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        • Kristy
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          • Aug 2004
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          #5
          Wow, I haven't beens to a Bible study in years.

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          • Blaze
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            • Jan 2009
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            #6
            Originally posted by PETE'S BROTHER
            and i feeel fiiine
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            • Nitro Express
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              • Aug 2004
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              #7
              Israel attacks Israel is toast. To bomb Iran is the same as bombing China or Russia. It's been clear for some time someone wants to set a war off.
              Last edited by Nitro Express; 11-07-2011, 10:11 PM.
              No! You can't have the keys to the wine cellar!

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              • FORD
                ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

                • Jan 2004
                • 58754

                #8
                But Israel expects God to step in and save their ass, as the Ezekiel prophecy says He will.

                Whether God actually does that or not is another matter. Can't imagine He would take NuttyYahoo's side.
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                • Blaze
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                  • Jan 2009
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                  #9
                  Not all of Israel expects that Ford. There are Jews in Israel that feel hostage to their government's odd behavior.

                  but the Armageddon campaigners are myopic in moving a time line they have envisioned.
                  I call them annihilation extremist. They look for the destruction of the world, such as Armageddon.
                  Last edited by Blaze; 11-08-2011, 12:02 AM.
                  "I have heard there are troubles of more than one kind. - Some come from ahead and some come from behind. - But I've bought a big bat. I'm all ready you see. - Now my troubles are going to have troubles with me!" ~ Dr. Seuss
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                  • Blaze
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                    • Jan 2009
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                    #10
                    The likely hood that humans will destroy the Earth is unlikely. Humans may perhaps make it very uncomfortable or even inhospitable for humans and/or various mammals.
                    "I have heard there are troubles of more than one kind. - Some come from ahead and some come from behind. - But I've bought a big bat. I'm all ready you see. - Now my troubles are going to have troubles with me!" ~ Dr. Seuss
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                    • Kristy
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                      • Aug 2004
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                      #11
                      Fuck R.E.M. (millionaire pussies) When it comes to the countdown to the Apocalypse. There is one song and one song only. Must I teach you miscreants EVERYTHING!?

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                      • knuckleboner
                        Crazy Ass Mofo
                        • Jan 2004
                        • 2927

                        #12
                        russia will NOT attack israel if israel makes a limited strike on iran. no chance. there is no way they'd risk a bigger fight with at least 1 nuclear advesary over iran.

                        putin's flexing nuts. that's all.

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                        • Nickdfresh
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                          • Oct 2004
                          • 49136

                          #13
                          LOL Russia can't 'project power' beyond Georgia...really? They're going to attack Israel? Good luck with that Red Army conscripts...

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                          • Nitro Express
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                            • Aug 2004
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                            #14
                            Originally posted by FORD
                            But Israel expects God to step in and save their ass, as the Ezekiel prophecy says He will.

                            Whether God actually does that or not is another matter. Can't imagine He would take NuttyYahoo's side.
                            Having lived in Israel I was amazed at how much of the population there really didn't care about religion. If anything to many Jews, Christians, and Muslims it was a big money making opportunity. Religious tourism is a huge industry. Israel has the same problem as we do. The citizens overall are pretty decent people but the government is absolutely power hungry and nuts.

                            You can't leave Israel without getting a hand carved from olive wood nativity set from Bethlehem. Of course all of those are made by Muslim Palistinians. Muslims cashing in big on Jesus. They love it.
                            Last edited by Nitro Express; 11-08-2011, 12:29 PM.
                            No! You can't have the keys to the wine cellar!

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                            • Nitro Express
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                              • Aug 2004
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                              #15
                              Originally posted by knuckleboner
                              russia will NOT attack israel if israel makes a limited strike on iran. no chance. there is no way they'd risk a bigger fight with at least 1 nuclear advesary over iran.

                              putin's flexing nuts. that's all.
                              It's not so much Putin. It's China. The west is basically fighting an oil war with China. Why we stay in Afghanistan is we want to hold control over the Kyber Pass and destabilize Pakistan. Why? So China cannot build an oil pipeline to Iran. The west is using military might to try and control all of the world's key oil spots. Putin kicked the western oil companies out of Russia. They don't control Iran. Kaddafi was starting an African alliance, and then you have Venezuela. The west wants to control all these countries to try and take it's economic power back from China. Since the worlds trade currency has always been based on oil, oil is the real wealth and that is what all the fuss is over. The west wants to control Iran's flow of oil.

                              It's all about destabilization and they are taking advantage of that. NuttyYahoo might be a religious nutcase or he might just be a puppet following orders. I mean without US money, Israel would not last long.

                              The reality is the west is broke and loses more of it's military capability as time goes on. It's nothing more than a bunch of stupid oligarchs who underestimated China and helped build the same monster with short-term greed that they now can't control. I think they figured they could always slap China back into line with military force but they can't do it now. It's only a matter of time before the Chinese navy controls the South China Sea.
                              Last edited by Nitro Express; 11-08-2011, 12:55 PM.
                              No! You can't have the keys to the wine cellar!

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