Album Sales predictions-What do you think?

[VAN HLN CA]

Pollstar expects 200,000-250,000 1st week.

I'll try and be realistic but will say 375,000 units. I will buy 2 regular for car & special edition for home.

Dave said no vinyl at this point.

Thursday wife see's this set-up, rolled eyes and went upstairs saying she wished she could get this excited for something. My bro's wife said same to him. Must PACE this, do not plan on overdoing this year. She is good for 1 with me and another 1 or 2 max. If I do 7 it will not be conducive to having wife & kids ;)

Mission control..
uStream for big monitor, old mac VHND & active laptop-Army & WARF Twitter, iPhone everything in between. F uStream's farce, it's up now showing some band. They just pulled plug on it last night!
http://media.use.com/images/s_2/bdb34f54667750bdaf8e.jpg (http://www.use.com/bdb34f54667750bdaf8e)

all is good as the 4 clips from dead center pretty much got whole show with good HD & tolerable sound. 24 hrs after event satisfied seeing all pics & vids......& WARF owning the place
http://media.use.com/images/s_2/ff41dc926a8ce160e375.jpg (http://www.use.com/WARF_ff41dc926a8ce160e375)

[Sarge]

So what is the reason for NO VINYL?!

I predict 250 to 300 thousand the first week.

[DlocRoth]

We's freewheelin!!!

See yall in platinum status, babay!

[VAN HLN CA]

So what is the reason for NO VINYL?!

I predict 250 to 300 thousand the first week.

Hello Sarge, in the video where Dave does the signing out front of CafeWha? He says "I don't know if were going to do vinyl." I would bet a year or two of great sales they do wind up with limited edition vinyl run.

Some bands are using Apollo Masters. Aluminum substrate for highest quality lacquer masters, if 6-pack was done by them we'd have another treat. Most done by hand & long process but worth it.

[Hardrock69]

Regardless.....I see this album as selling more than any other album in recent history.....you only have 33 YEARS OF FUCKING VAN HALEN FANS....who have been waiting 28 YEARS for this!

And of course, the figures you guys are throwing around are for first WEEK.

I say platinum in a month. 6 weeks tops.

[twonabomber]

if sales stopped at one more than Chickenfoot sold, i'd be happy.

[DlocRoth]

I think presales already got em. :rockit2:

"Sam brings the party. I AM the party." -DLR

[78/84 guy]

Black Ice did 98.000 in the first week I think. That was a big number for a rock band. If VH does close to 200 that is huge !

[kwame k]

With the way the record biz is now who can say.......

I have one prediction that's money in the bank...........I'll have that fucking album as soon as it comes out!

[sadaist]

Pollstar expects 200,000-250,000 1st week.



Did VH III sell that many total?

I hope there are HUGE endcaps of this new cd with lots of advertising in each store. I'm sure there will be. Gotta make friends with a Best Buy employee to snag me the merchandise holders once they take them down.

[kwame k]

Consider the band has not one but two Diamond status albums.....

If it doesn't at least go platinum would be a big surprise!

[kwame k]

Did VH III sell that many total?

I hope there are HUGE endcaps of this new cd with lots of advertising in each store. I'm sure there will be. Gotta make friends with a Best Buy employee to snag me the merchandise holders once they take them down.

VH III hit Gold, IIRC!

[78/84 guy]

Vh 3 stalled at 500.000. Thats why Ed's new brother Gary was sent packing.

[DlocRoth]

And this, kids, is the sound of me playing the tuba.

[houseofpain]

Vh 3 stalled at 500.000. Thats why Ed's new brother Gary was sent packing.

That and it fucking sucked

[sadaist]

Gary was sent packing.

Really? I thought Gary has been 'packing' for years.....


http://www.novafm.com.au/lib/images/article/normal/tom-cruise-called-a-fudge-packer-by-south-park-123232.jpg

[negative]

Seeing that Black Ice sold 98k the first week, it's kind of difficult to see this album doing a lot more than that I'd have to say. The whole music business and especially the business of selling records sucks fucking rancid ass at the moment, so anything approaching 200k the first week would be absolutely sensational.

[kwame k]

As long as it goes #1 in the first week...

Platinum by years end, I'd consider that huge in today's market!

[binnie]

Depends on how much media they do to promote it, really.

The idea of this selling more than 200K in the first week would rely on some major promotion, I believe.

[Va Beach VH Fan]

Did VH III sell that many total?

I hope there are HUGE endcaps of this new cd with lots of advertising in each store. I'm sure there will be. Gotta make friends with a Best Buy employee to snag me the merchandise holders once they take them down.

VH III only went Gold, total....

And you mentioned Best Buy, gotta tip your hat to Chickenfoot's PR, they had Bette pasted ALL OVER the Best Buy advertisements....

Hopefully, VH's PR saw that....

[Va Beach VH Fan]

Also, I'm ignorant about this aspect of the sales, but is that also going to include ITunes downloads ??

[Matt White]

It'll go PLATINUM......no question.....

VAN HALEN NATION will buy this mofo like they haven't bought a CD in 20 years.........................

[bronson613]

Quick correction, guys. I don't know where you got those figures from, but AC/DC's "Black Ice" did *not* sell 98k the first week. It sold 784,000 it's first week in just the U.S. In fact, it did 193,000 its first day alone. Given those figures, I think VH can easily make 200,000-250,000 in sales the first week.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Ice_(album)#Release_and_promotion

[indeedido]

Black Ice's numbers are skewed because it was a Wal Mart exclusive. They had to buy them outright to sell them so what they shipped and had on the shelf technically counted as sales. It was a guaranteed sale for the band. There were hundreds of them at my local store and still were months after.

[bronson613]

I don't want to get really off topic but those Black Ice figures *WERE* the actual sales. Wal-Mart originally agreed to take shipment of 3 million copies, of which about 2 and a half million were actually sold. That's why there were so many still sitting on the shelves.
http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1598134/acdcs-black-ice-sells-nearly-800000.jhtml
http://www.billboard.com/bbcom/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003878705#/bbcom/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003878705
http://www.billboard.biz/bbbiz/content_display/charts/chart_alert/e3i9a67ade749ea6ee938e308f924efde75?imw=Y

[binnie]

I can't see VH doing AC/Dc figures - AC/DC have been managed and marketted so well, whereas VH have such a big gap in their history that the fanbase naturally dwindles.

Media is the way to solve that.

[vandeleur]

QUOTE=binnie;1588811]I can't see VH doing AC/Dc figures - AC/DC have been managed and marketted so well, whereas VH have such a big gap in their history that the fanbase naturally dwindles.

Media is the way to solve that.[/QUOTE]

I agree media is the way to solve this ... what they need is an iconic rock n roll ring master to round up the public .. someone who is a great interview and who would be in in every magazine on every tv programme and radio station ..... mmmmmm I wonder who :bigwink:

[78/84 guy]

Quick correction, guys. I don't know where you got those figures from, but AC/DC's "Black Ice" did *not* sell 98k the first week. It sold 784,000 it's first week in just the U.S. In fact, it did 193,000 its first day alone. Given those figures, I think VH can easily make 200,000-250,000 in sales the first week.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Ice_(album)#Release_and_promotion

I remembered that number from Entertainment weekly. But I don't remember a 1 in front of it. Sorry. They list downloads sometimes I wonder if thats what it was.

[flappo]

will it be on itunes ?

if so

woo faakin hoo

[chuckie lee]

2x Platinum, minimum, by June 1.

[nitroDave23]

I'd be happy if it did as well as Black Ice, that album was great for AC/DC.

Van Halen needs this one to really say something,

"We're Fucking Back,with Dave!!! Bow down to the almighty VAN HALEN!!!"

:bigwink:

[Hammy5150]

DLR has a very good promotional mindset and I think it will be highly successful. I'm sure there will be plenty of PR to get this album selling pretty hefty numbers in its first few weeks (hefty by today's standards that is).

[basstar66]

the promotion is awsome so i expect good numbers .

[VH Drummer]

With the amount of press the band is getting for the album and the NYC gig, and it being within a month of release, I think 200-250k is a reasonable estimate, but I would imagine it would be more towards 250k. It will be interesting to see how many people buy the actual CD versus downloading it from iTunes.

[ToraToraTora]

148,976 on the 1st day, 258,741 by the Friday and 1,973,106 by the time the tour kicks off, give or take 2 or 3 :);):biggrin:

[Va Beach VH Fan]

I've created a poll for this, and we're gonna link it on the Homepage....

[Sarge]

Ok it's linked now.
I am still pissed at No Vinyl! Maybe that should be the next POLL!

[FORD]

BOV1 sold 2 million copies on the strength of just two new songs, so I can't imagine the new album selling any less than that.

And that's my pessimistic outlook. My optimistic side says it does twice that much. Of course the band can help those sales figures by touring outside of North America. We know they were willing to play in Australia before that festival went to Hell in a handbasket. So that's a good sign for the rest of the planet, I guess......

[Va Beach VH Fan]

BOV1 sold 2 million copies on the strength of just two new songs, so I can't imagine the new album selling any less than that.

And that's my pessimistic outlook. My optimistic side says it does twice that much. Of course the band can help those sales figures by touring outside of North America. We know they were willing to play in Australia before that festival went to Hell in a handbasket. So that's a good sign for the rest of the planet, I guess......

Then vote, bubba....

[Dan]

Just In The States Or WorldWide?

[Va Beach VH Fan]

Either or, this ain't exactly scientific.... :D

[Dan]

Sweet As,Pants Off VA.:D

[DRD]

I found this article about top Album and Digital single sales in 2010 and the numbers are low compared to how sales used to be for the biz. Hope Van Halen blow these numbers away.
http://www.billboard.com/news/eminem-s-recovery-is-2010-s-best-selling-1004137895.story#/news/eminem-s-recovery-is-2010-s-best-selling-1004137895.story

[BITEYOASS]

:jaw: :amen:

[BITEYOASS]

Of course that was for the rock singles chart. In the itunes rock album category, they knocked out Metallica in the top of that chart.

[BITEYOASS]

I'd say it will go platinum in a month.

[BITEYOASS]

Now the album is No. 5 on the itunes albums chart, No. 6 on Amazon.com and the damn thing hasn't been released yet!

"Tattoo" is also now No. 25 on the itunes singles chart!

Now the damn video has had 700k views on YouTube in ONE DAY!

VAN HALEN = WINNING! :first: :hitch::rockin::rockon::rockit2:

[Terry]

A million sold shouldn't be difficult to attain. Certainly not within the context of a major tour. Non-scientific, to be sure, but look at all the buzz surrounding the Cafe Wha? gig, the brief internet snippets and now the release of the new single and video. LOT of people are interested.
Also, this is the first full-length Van Halen album in 12 years. Even fans of the band who may have been more partial to Hagar than Roth...a percentage of those will scoop it up.
Yeah, free downloading and such have impacted sales, but I'd be willing to bet there are a lot of old-school Van Halen fans who will want the tangible cd in their hands so they can slip in the disc player and crank it up.
1 to 2 million sold throughout the course of the tour shouldn't be a problem. MAYBE 2 million +.
Over 5 million? That'd be something. Probably not very realistic in terms of expectations, but should that come to pass it'd be pretty neat (the thought of Hagar and Anthony trying to stammer through their next Chickenfoot interview attempting to shrug off THAT level of success certainly brings a smile to my face).

[binnie]

I think 5 million is not even in the realms of possibility.

The last Metallica record didn't do those kind of numbers....

[Golden AWe]

I don't know...the music industry of today...they'd have a hard time hitting a million even if they released "JUMP" today.

A pessimist won't be disappointed!

[Southpaw]

of course I'm gonna buy the CD ASAP.... but what am I gonna do with it? :doh:

[Golden AWe]

of course I'm gonna buy the CD ASAP.... but what am I gonna do with it? :doh:

Take the cd in your hand...turn it around...raise it in front of your eyes...there, you can see your own ass with it!

[conmee]

Brethren and Sistren,

It will come down to how many long-time fans come out and purchase. I don't envision Van Halen appealing to many new fans. Why? First, look at the musical landscape today. Just on YouTube (to give a little context, doesn't tell the whole story), LMFAO Party Rock has 350 Million views and even someone like "Tyga" with their "Rack City" video has 13 Million views. Tattoo is a respectable 1.7 Million for a rock act. in this day and age (and will likely increase over the course of the year). Van Halen will be lucky if they capture 2%-5% new fans. The rest will be folks like us that have been waiting forever. And quite a few of us have literally passed away sadly during the long wait, or have become completely disinterested.

Ok so that's my glass-half-empty preamble.

Having said all that, I agree with FORD, I do believe 4xPlatinum by year-end to not be unreasonable. Interscope is doing the right things including selling a deluxe version because I think fans are hungry to see some acoustic or jam videos and we all enjoy seeing and hearing the guys together and happy. Not meaning to sound like a chick all touchy-feely, but VH is like extended family for many, and seeing AND hearing David and Edward together again making NEW music is huge. Further, I'll say a higher percentage of Chickenfeed and Van Hagar fans will buy the new VH album then expecting Classic VH fans to buy Chickenfeed and Van Hagar albums. My point? There's likely a large latent fan base that just completely opted out of VH after DLR left and who may return and buy the new album out of hope, nostalgia, curiosity, etc. So I see it breaking down thus:

2,500,000 - Hard Core Classic VH Fans
1,250,000 - Chickenfeed / Van Hagar Fans (They'll buy anything, so why not a new VH album)
750,000 - Old School Fans who gave up but come back to the fold
150,000 - New/Young Fans and people who hit the wrong button on iTune and Amazon

4,650,000 - Total 2012 Album Sales
195,000 - Digital Download Single - Tattoo (People who can't wait until Feb 7 will buy the single, but most will buy whole album)

Or... They sell 599,000 total and beat out VHIII.

That is all.

Icon™©®

[clarathecarrot]

LMFAO is a good reason or example, of the state the industry, that is for sure the demographic they appeal to is the what 13-17 year old barbie dream house extacy dance party mix crowd? They have always been the largest purchasers of music as you well know.

Good shit for what it is.

Appealing to that demographic is out of the VH sphere. Thank you Jebus.
,
I think you are close with your predictions. I am going to buy all three things ,the CD, Bonus trac, and also the LP, I have seen pop up. Plus a show.

I have viewed, three of LMFAO videos and never watch or listen again..like I said good for what it is.

[ELVIS]

Ok it's linked now.
I am still pissed at No Vinyl! Maybe that should be the next POLL!

For real...

I have the new Blizzard and Diary on vinyl as well as CD...

The vinyl sounds awesome...


:elvis:

[VHscraps]

For real...

I have the new Blizzard and Diary on vinyl as well as CD...

The vinyl sounds awesome...


:elvis:

The vinyl edition of A Different Kind of Truth is only available at the moment via Live Nation:

http://www.store.livenation.com/Product.aspx?cp=13281_20623_54521&pc=XM03COMBO (http://www.store.livenation.com/Product.aspx?cp=13281_20623_54521&pc=XM03COMBO)

somebody posted about this on another thread that I can't find now (it wasn't in Main), but I googled it up again ... only available to customers who have a US-registered credit card (I tried ordering, but my credit card is linked to my UK address, naturally - that's where I live!).

Coming soon to eBay at very inflated prices, no doubt, unless they release the vinyl everywhere, which I hope they will do eventually.

[BITEYOASS]

I think 5 million is not even in the realms of possibility.

The last Metallica record didn't do those kind of numbers....

Well for one thing, this ain't Metallica and Lars is a cunt. :D

[bueno bob]

Awe's right...industry being what it is today, it's going to be a hard sell. It'll race like a motherfucker out of the gate, but after a month, maybe less, I'm guessing it's going to dry up pretty quickly.

No matter, they'll make bank on the road, they always do.

[conmee]

I think Van Halen's situation is a bit different. If this were a new Van Hagar release, I'd agree that sales would be tepid, interest muted, and sales lucky to crack 1M. However, ADKOT is the follow-up, for all intents and purposes, to 1984. They will mainly sell to a hungry worldwide fan base that hasn't heard an album of new material from these guys in 28 years. Van Halen fans buy albums not just singles. We're such a starved community for new music I believe that demand will make sales of this album follow more of a pre-Napster/pre-iTunes sales trend.

Another thing, because I don't believe Van Halen will win a substantial number of new/young fans, most of Van Halen's older fan base IS USED TO PAYING for music. I don't know about the rest of you, but I've downloaded all sorts of music but AlWAYS paid for anything from Van Halen. So I think piracy will trend lower in the sense that most of us want to see the band do well and continue making music. Paying for tunes helps keep that process alive.

I doubt the sales will rival the likes of Lady Gaga, Kanye, Jay-Z, Katy Perry, but so what. It will still reach multi-Platinum status and even that doesn't matter except for people who see it as some sort of competition or comeuppance vis-a-vis Chickenfeed and Hagar (and that just shouldn't even be of concern to anyone... David is back and the nightmare is over so just enjoy the new music, videos, and tour).

That is all.

Icon~

[sadaist]

Well for one thing, this ain't Metallica and Lars is a cunt. :D


Metallica isn't even Metallica.


...and Lars is a cunt.

[binnie]

Well, I don't think the last AC/DC record did 5 million, either.

2 million would be a great achievement in 2012.

[BITEYOASS]

I'm buying two CDs. One for me and one for the mrs. Of course I'm keeping the deluxe edition for myself. :biggrin:

[So this is love]

OK to be fair lets take RHCP how many did they sell???

[Terry]

OK to be fair lets take RHCP how many did they sell???

With an avatar like yours, who really cares how much who sold?

[dave_is_vh]

Depends on how good it is.

Van Halen fans will buy it no matter what.

The rest of the population will only buy it if it is very good.

[So this is love]

depends on how good it is.

Van halen fans will buy it no matter what.

The rest of the population will only buy it if it is very good.


the rest of the polpulation don't know dick what this is about......

[So this is love]

with an avatar like yours, who really cares how much who sold?

sorry for misleading you i am not gay///not in a patient mood....currently watching pulp fiction...

[minkahed]

I'm buying three...

[Vinnie Velvet]

BOV1 sold 2 million copies on the strength of just two new songs, so I can't imagine the new album selling any less than that.



Not saying I don't agree with you, FORD, but that was in 1996.

Pre-VDIII, pre-failed reunion attempts, pre-Eddie in hobo/meth stage, pre-Eddie cancer, pre Eddie-Val divorce, pre-Hagar 2004 reunion, pre-Mike getting dumped, and most of all PRE-DIGITAL MUSIC AGE.

[BITEYOASS]

Depends on how good it is.

Van Halen fans will buy it no matter what.

The rest of the population will only buy it if it is very good.

The rest of the population wouldn't know what's good if it came around and kicked it right in the ass! Look at all the pop-garbage and YouTube personality whores (and not the fun kind of whores) that get all the attention.

[DavidLeeNatra]

I couldn't care less what the rest of the world will do...I will have it the day it comes out...

who gives a chickenshit if it sells more than whatever...only because millions of flies eat shit it doesn't mean that the shit is better than what we get...and we get something...finally...no matter how many copies that fucker will sell...

[BITEYOASS]

Oh I know its gonna sell over a million, but beyond that I don't care. Yet you've gotta admit that it does give us another fact to slap around the sheep clowns with.

I can't wait to say: When was the last time Hagar had a platinum album without Dave's songs, muthafucka?!?! :boink::nanana::fucku2::fighting0056:

[DavidLeeNatra]

sure it would be nice if they outsell everybody and especially osammy bin hagar...but I really don't care...it's something nice to have...let those Chickenshitters and linx-sheep say whatever they want...I smile, sit back, relax and sing TAT-TOO TAT-TOO...

[BITEYOASS]

sure it would be nice if they outsell everybody and especially osammy bin hagar...but I really don't care...it's something nice to have...let those Chickenshitters and linx-sheep say whatever they want...I smile, sit back, relax and sing TAT-TOO TAT-TOO...

Oh they will outsell Hagar all right! That will be easier than John Holmes getting laid in a swingers club.

In the meantime we won't just smile, we'll EAT EM' AND SMILE! :hitch:

[DavidLeeNatra]

Oh they will outsell Hagar all right! That will be easier than John Holmes getting laid in a swingers club.

In the meantime we won't just smile, we'll EAT EM' AND SMILE! :hitch:

yessir...

[Seshmeister]

Record sales are entirely fucking irrelevant these days.

They make 100 million a fucking tour by squeezing every last cent out of us. In the olden days the concert ticket made them break even, the t-shirts made some money and the albums made the big money.

Now it's the $200 gig tickets.

I'll be honest when I pay $200 for a ticket for a gig I have no conscience or worries whatsoever about stealing the album from a bit torrent. The music itself has become a promotional vehicle for the concert ticket. It's like a commercial.

[Nitro Express]

Seeing a concert still is probably cheaper than buying a decent whore.

[Seshmeister]

Define decent you old charmer, you 21st century man you. :)

Maybe they charge you extra... :)

[shaggydoo]

I voted "1-2 million", but don't crucify me for that, I hope I'm wrong and they sell over 5 million!

I'm buying two, so I hope that gets the ball rolling in my parts of the world.

[Heater]

So are a lot of people going to buy more than one copy just to boost the sales numbers? And let's not forget all the illegal downloads or burning one for a friend. Is somebody going to extrapolate that figure and add it in? "Well, they sold 200,000 the first week but if they all made a copy and then THEY all made a copy.... That means a trillion sold!! Woot-woot!" seems to be an awful lot of worrying about something that "doesn't matter". Back in the day (pre 1985) I don't remember anybody giving a flying fuck where a VH record sat on the charts or who they outsold, the fans weren't of that mindset, they just enjoyed the music when it came out.

[Matt White]

So are a lot of people going to buy more than one copy just to boost the sales numbers? And let's not forget all the illegal downloads or burning one for a friend. Is somebody going to extrapolate that figure and add it in? "Well, they sold 200,000 the first week but if they all made a copy and then THEY all made a copy.... That means a trillion sold!! Woot-woot!" seems to be an awful lot of worrying about something that "doesn't matter". Back in the day (pre 1985) I don't remember anybody giving a flying fuck where a VH record sat on the charts or who they outsold, the fans weren't of that mindset, they just enjoyed the music when it came out.

BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!



There there little fella....it'll be all right!!!! Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. ......

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[chefcraig]

So are a lot of people going to buy more than one copy just to boost the sales numbers? And let's not forget all the illegal downloads or burning one for a friend. Is somebody going to extrapolate that figure and add it in? "Well, they sold 200,000 the first week but if they all made a copy and then THEY all made a copy.... That means a trillion sold!! Woot-woot!" seems to be an awful lot of worrying about something that "doesn't matter". Back in the day (pre 1985) I don't remember anybody giving a flying fuck where a VH record sat on the charts or who they outsold, the fans weren't of that mindset, they just enjoyed the music when it came out.

Not quite certain how you can read a handful of posts at a message board, then come to the conclusion that people are going to purchase multiple copies of an album with the sole intent of boosting it's sales so the numbers look good on a chart somewhere. Even if that was true, it's hardly a brand new occurrence, as the concept of "ballot-stuffing" has been around for a few centuries now.

But I do agree that if it were to take place, it would me a meaningless gesture, pretty much like people voting multiple times for an online poll in order to get their favorite guitarist, artist or song to come out on top. Just like American Idol, where people have the opportunity to cast a vote for their favorite singer in the competition. At one point, people were re-voting so much it crashed the show's accounting system, throwing doubt on the voting process in it's entirety. (No, we will not explore the system of balloting here in Florida, as it's a far more vile and sinister ball of wax.)

With the way this album is being marketed however, some folks simply have no alternative than to purchase variations of it. If you want the t shirt and DVD from Walmart, you are required to purchase two different copies, because of the packaging. I intend to do so, but to tell ya the truth, if someone walks up to me in the parking lot and asks, they are welcome to my non-DVD copy of the album. Twenty bucks for a t shirt these days (sadly) isn't such a bad deal.

Since it's my cash, and my choice, I could give a shit if my purchases boost Van Halen's sales or not. It's called capitalism, and the ROTH ARMY fraternity supports it. But you can't hold a whole fraternity responsible for the behavior of a few, sick twisted individuals. For if you do, then shouldn't we blame the whole fraternity system? And if the whole fraternity system is guilty, then isn't this an indictment of our educational institutions in general? I put it to you, Heater - isn't this an indictment of our entire American society? Well, you can do whatever you want to us, but we're not going to sit here and listen to you badmouth the United States of America. Gentlemen!


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[SNIPER]

The fact is their label is a monster and the promotion will be as good as it gets with the team they have. They will push the fuck out of this thing! They have the "dream team" of the promo industry working for them. This is gonna be crazy huge. I think we will see over 2 million at least with no problem.. But I would not be shocked if it hit the 3 to 4 range. Again, if the team does the job like they always do and the album is good (and it will be) they are in very good hands!! I think we can expect to see a huge VH year ahead of us. Maybe the biggest ever.

[Nitro Express]

The fact is their label is a monster and the promotion will be as good as it gets with the team they have. They will push the fuck out of this thing! They have the "dream team" of the promo industry working for them. This is gonna be crazy huge. I think we will see over 2 million at least with no problem.. But I would not be shocked if it hit the 3 to 4 range. Again, if the team does the job like they always do and the album is good (and it will be) they are in very good hands!! I think we can expect to see a huge VH year ahead of us. Maybe the biggest ever.

I agree and we can continue the celebration by throwing our politicians and Sammy Hagar into the depths of hell and party onward! Maybe the true meaning of the Mayan calender is 2012 is the year Sammy Hagar ends for good.

[SNIPER]

I agree and we can continue the celebration by throwing our politicians and Sammy Hagar into the depths of hell and party onward! Maybe the true meaning of the Mayan calender is 2012 is the year Sammy Hagar ends for good.

LOL!!!!! I may be stoned but this is fucking cracking me up for some stony reason. :lmao:

[sonrisa salvaje]

I don't know about you guys but my plans are to buy the deluxe edition to keep at home in "the collection", buy the regular edition solely for the car and then i will likely buy the edition at Walmart which included the t-shirt just to get the shirt in advance of a tour date and will likely give that copy to a friend. That makes 3 editions for me. What would have been really cool would be to fully autograph advanced copies and hook up with Tower Records or some other outfit (Fye maybe?) and pre-sell those. Can you say platinum prior to release? However, i don't see Ed and Al sitting around signing cd covers for a week in order to do that.

[FORD]

The vinyl edition of A Different Kind of Truth is only available at the moment via Live Nation:

http://www.store.livenation.com/Product.aspx?cp=13281_20623_54521&pc=XM03COMBO (http://www.store.livenation.com/Product.aspx?cp=13281_20623_54521&pc=XM03COMBO)

somebody posted about this on another thread that I can't find now (it wasn't in Main), but I googled it up again ... only available to customers who have a US-registered credit card (I tried ordering, but my credit card is linked to my UK address, naturally - that's where I live!).

Coming soon to eBay at very inflated prices, no doubt, unless they release the vinyl everywhere, which I hope they will do eventually.

Ironic that Universal wouldn't release the album on vinyl in the UK. I thought they were big supporters of that whole "record store day" thing. Or at least they were when they issued the Rolling Stones "Plundered My Soul" as a vinyl 45" in advance of the Exile remaster.

http://rocksoff.org/messageboard/Attachments/plunderedmysoul4.jpeg

[Heater]

Chefcraig, nicely done. I honestly laughed when I read your post. You always manage to take the high road. Uncle!

[SunisinuS]

Not quite certain how you can read a handful of posts at a message board, then come to the conclusion that people are going to purchase multiple copies of an album with the sole intent of boosting it's sales so the numbers look good on a chart somewhere. Even if that was true, it's hardly a brand new occurrence, as the concept of "ballot-stuffing" has been around for a few centuries now.

But I do agree that if it were to take place, it would me a meaningless gesture, pretty much like people voting multiple times for an online poll in order to get their favorite guitarist, artist or song to come out on top. Just like American Idol, where people have the opportunity to cast a vote for their favorite singer in the competition. At one point, people were re-voting so much it crashed the show's accounting system, throwing doubt on the voting process in it's entirety. (No, we will not explore the system of balloting here in Florida, as it's a far more vile and sinister ball of wax.)

With the way this album is being marketed however, some folks simply have no alternative than to purchase variations of it. If you want the t shirt and DVD from Walmart, you are required to purchase two different copies, because of the packaging. I intend to do so, but to tell ya the truth, if someone walks up to me in the parking lot and asks, they are welcome to my non-DVD copy of the album. Twenty bucks for a t shirt these days (sadly) isn't such a bad deal.

Since it's my cash, and my choice, I could give a shit if my purchases boost Van Halen's sales or not. It's called capitalism, and the ROTH ARMY fraternity supports it. But you can't hold a whole fraternity responsible for the behavior of a few, sick twisted individuals. For if you do, then shouldn't we blame the whole fraternity system? And if the whole fraternity system is guilty, then isn't this an indictment of our educational institutions in general? I put it to you, Heater - isn't this an indictment of our entire American society? Well, you can do whatever you want to us, but we're not going to sit here and listen to you badmouth the United States of America. Gentlemen!


http://img1.imagehousing.com/63/ebffe1fe762a583229215c29153c0d3d.jpg (http://www.imagehousing.com/image/950187)


Lol Comedy Craig!

[BITEYOASS]

I'm buying a second copy of the album in order to get more pussy from the Mrs. :biggrin:

[sinner's swing]

Ironic that Universal wouldn't release the album on vinyl in the UK. I thought they were big supporters of that whole "record store day" thing. Or at least they were when they issued the Rolling Stones "Plundered My Soul" as a vinyl 45" in advance of the Exile remaster.

http://rocksoff.org/messageboard/Attachments/plunderedmysoul4.jpeg


Hey I've got that 45 :)
I'll be getting the deluxe edition somewhere on release day. I ordered the vinyl and will be getting the deluxe mp3 included. I wonder if that counts as 2 with the vinyl/mp3?
I'd also be surprised if there isn't a Record Store Day 45 or 10" released as well. Still a few months away and if sales go well, I'm sure they'll do it.

Oh and I figure at least platinum, maybe 2.

[fifth element]

"Sam brings the party. I AM the party." -DLR

Roth on!

[Warham]

My guess would be 1-2 million legit sales.

[Halen High]

So much has changed in the music industry since Van Halen's heyday so it's difficult to predict what ADKOT will sell. From what I've gathered, our demographic (assuming most here are 35-50 years old) is reluctant to buy new CDs. And the casual Van Halen/hard rock fan will be content to listen to Tattoo on the radio, perhaps download it, play their old CDs in the car and attend the tour in the hope of hearing some familiar tunes from their youth - rather than buy the album - no matter how good it is. I think it will sell 1-2m in its first year and if it's as good as we hope it is, in time it could reach 3m.

[BITEYOASS]

I can understand downloading for free if it's some concert bootleg, out-of-stock albums or videos no longer issued which are not availabel in the USA, or unreleased material that has been hidden for decades. But I think hard rock/metal fans are a more dedicated and will buy an official newly released album from their favorite band. Unlike rap or pop fans who probably do the more illegal downloading than any other genre.

[Warham]

One million in this day and age is like five million twenty years ago. It's something to be proud of.

[BITEYOASS]

Anyone bitching about selling only one million in a year really needs to lay off the nose candy.

[chuckie lee]

I think that there is so much pub about this album that it cant help but be a huge seller. CSI, front page USA TODAY article 1-19, posters all over big cities (all over downtown Boston by the garden), #1 on all the rock radio playlists (Providence and Boston).. Late night mentions on the talk shows.. Inevitable 3mill....

[VanHalenI]

Here's the thing, Van Halen's new album came out yesterday, and Billboard estimated 180 to 200,000 sells on the first week. They also say this bitch Adele's new album comin' up this week may be something against Mighty Van Halen...
Discuss...

[NIN1211]

http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=169444

[ELVIS]

How can it be first week sales when the album came out yesterday ??

[ELVIS]

Van Halen is above fat, no-talent Adele on itunes...

[NIN1211]

Read the link Hound Dog

[ELVIS]

uhh hu u uh uhu hu hu uh uh uh uh uh uhuh


:biggrin:

[ThrillsNSpills]

The chickenfoot page is getting hammered by brutal people after Sams last interview.

[Mr Walker]

VAN HALEN's new album, "A Different Kind Of Truth", is likely to sell between 180,000 and 200,000 copies in the United States in its first week of release, according to industry web site Hits Daily Double. The estimate was based on one-day sales reports compiled after the record arrived in stores on February 7 via Interscope.

The first review of "A Different Kind Of Truth" was posted online last week at Antiquiet — and it was overwhelmingly positive. Critic Johnny Firecloud said that the band's first album with original singer David Lee Roth in 28 years is a "true return" and "screaming triumph," adding, "That old familiar feeling has returned, the unique flare of excitement that comes from a muscle car rhythm section led by a six-string wizard and a singing sexual megalodon with an ego that made Kanye look like a kid flaunting his new Spider-Man underoos — and the pipes to back up the strut."

The review acknowledged that much of the album is made up of material pulled from the band's archives, writing, "Thankfully, these songs do not sound like old men putting on the smelly old spandex and combing over the strays. Fresh is the operative word here, a supremely confident swing for the fences in an understandable progression from the obsessively romanticized pre-Hagar era."

First single and album opener "Tattoo" is described as the "low point for an otherwise fantastic album," which may offer hope to fans who have voiced displeasure with that track. Other songs cited as standout tracks include "She's The Woman", "You And Your Blues", "China Town" and "Stay Frosty".

The review concluded, "'A Different Kind Of Truth' will be remembered as evidence that a band can endure every cliche in the book and return, with the right focus, obsessed dedication and mojo, to a sweet spot of rejuvenation — one that holds the hand of nostalgia but doesn't go for the full embrace, leaning instead, wisely, toward evolution."

"A Different Kind Of Truth" track listing:

01. Tattoo
02. She's The Woman
03. You And Your Blues
04. China Town
05. Blood And Fire
06. Bullethead
07. As Is
08. Honeybabysweetiedoll
09. The Trouble With Never
10. Outta Space
11. Stay Frosty
12. Big River
13. Beats Workin'

VAN HALEN will kick off a North American tour on February 18 in Louisville, Kentucky.

[Mr Walker]

I wonder if this will be enough to knock Adele out of the top spot.

What did Chickenfart III do... 42,000?

[FORD]

Here's the thing, Van Halen's new album came out yesterday, and Billboard estimated 180 to 200,000 sells on the first week. They also say this bitch Adele's new album comin' up this week may be something against Mighty Van Halen...
Discuss...

Sammy Hagar read this report and immediately drove to every WalFart within 100 miles of Novato CA to buy every copy of the Adele CD he could get his grubby paws on.

[smorgdonkey]

Van Halen is above fat, no-talent Adele on itunes...

Hate her all you want but she is super talented.

Now, Haggis...he has no talent!

[VanHalenI]

LOL, she MAY... be talented but NO WAY SHE'LL BE #1 no fuckin way.
In 1984 first place was taken from VAN HALEN.. and u know wha? second place ain't nice!!!! not again!! its been 25 years!! VAN HALEN MUST BE NUMBERRR 1!!!!

[Vinnie Velvet]

LOL, she MAY... be talented but NO WAY SHE'LL BE #1 no fuckin way.
In 1984 first place was taken from VAN HALEN.. and u know wha? second place ain't nice!!!! not again!! its been 25 years!! VAN HALEN MUST BE NUMBERRR 1!!!!

I hope history doesn't repeat itself.

That fat chick is racking up a bunch of Grammy nominations and will be performing at the show next week - more amo for her CD to remain #1.

Who knows. I hope VH take the top spot.

[ELVIS]

Lmao !!

[dazzlindino]

Anyone know how many albums have been sold for ADKOT yet?
Hoping it crushes the aliens head when the numbers are released

[Vinnie Velvet]

VH could debut at #1 with 200,000 sold, however, I think we have this creature to worry about next week.

http://i.thisislondon.co.uk/i/pix/2011/04/AdeleSinging_415.jpg

[clarathecarrot]

I heard from a news source the VH CD is at #4 debut.

Easily predicted to be #1 for it's first week.



We will see.

[wiseguy]

VH could debut at #1 with 200,000 sold, however, I think we have this creature to worry about next week.

http://i.thisislondon.co.uk/i/pix/2011/04/AdeleSinging_415.jpg

Fuck her, she doesn't even have a headset.

[wiseguy]

I've bought my share of ADKOT. 3 regs, 1 deluxe and the vinyl. I'm good. Can anyone top that?

[Zing!]

Damn Wise - you have definitely done your part! I would guess a good number of Army members have bought at least two copies. Gonna make a good birthday gift for family and friends this year, that's for sure. Have you spun the vinyl yet?

[wiseguy]

Damn Wise - you have definitely done your part! I would guess a good number of Army members have bought at least two copies. Gonna make a good birthday gift for family and friends this year, that's for sure. Have you spun the vinyl yet?

That thing doesn't get shipped till late March. No, I don't have a turn table. It will complete the "Man cave". I have the original six vinyl framed above my bar and I am putting that one in a frame to go with them but with the record exposed as well as the cover. It will look sweet. I will send pics when its all done in April.

[Jérôme Frenchise]

Fuck her, she doesn't even have a headset.

I dunno who she is. But the classic thing is for chicks to give blowjobs to become actresses or singers -
but it seems this one did the contrary. :biggrin:

[wiseguy]

I dunno who she is. But the classic thing is for chicks to give blowjobs to become actresses or singers -
but it seems this one did the contrary. :biggrin:

LOL. Shes actually a really good singer.

[chi-town324]

never heard of her either but she's coming off of throat surgery that can't be good

[Vinnie Velvet]

never heard of her either but she's coming off of throat surgery that can't be good

Someone send her a bucket or two of KFC just before her performance at the Grammys.

[VanCanHalen]

I've bought my share of ADKOT. 3 regs, 1 deluxe and the vinyl. I'm good. Can anyone top that?

Cant but like you I threw my cash down, 1 Deluxe CD Copy, 1 Vinyl, 1 MP3 Album, Tattoo Single, lets do are part and rock on and bring VH to the #1 spot!!!

[IceCreamBlondie]

For if you do, then shouldn't we blame the whole fraternity system? And if the whole fraternity system is guilty, then isn't this an indictment of our educational institutions in general? I put it to you, Heater - isn't this an indictment of our entire American society? Well, you can do whatever you want to us, but we're not going to sit here and listen to you badmouth the United States of America. Gentlemen!


http://img1.imagehousing.com/63/ebffe1fe762a583229215c29153c0d3d.jpg (http://www.imagehousing.com/image/950187)

Luv the Animal House reference! Gentlemen!! :thumb:

[wiseguy]

Cant but like you I threw my cash down, 1 Deluxe CD Copy, 1 Vinyl, 1 MP3 Album, Tattoo Single, lets do are part and rock on and bring VH to the #1 spot!!!

Lol, forgot I bought the single twice...ha ha ha. I love van halen!!

[VanHalenI]

I already bought the vynil album, CD copy, single, and iTunes... Van Halen NEEDS to be #1 one again!

[minkahed]

Van Halen - A Different Kind Of Truth 37% 79,535

Adele 21 37% 113,998

So far, not looking good ...

[kingedward]

Visited Amoeba Music, A huge local record store in SF, Has sold around 950, Of both CD's combined. A guy told me it's one of the fastest movers he's seen in awhile. They mostly get the indie/folk crowd, So I guess thats a pretty good number.

[tomballin]

;)WW Sales should do very well. :)

[VAN HLN CA]

I guess Lars had a better insight than it seemed in the Napster battle. Nobody could predict the entire industry would get altered to this level. For me D/Ling does not work when I want an album, gotta have artwork case and the fun in opening and adding to the collection.

I was way off with my 1st week guess, but they still kicked ass & Hell froze over as Rolling Stone praised the F&F Forum show & the disc! ADKOT review was most positive DLR/VH review ever written.

[LittleTexas]

Newbie here - Sorry if this has already been posted recently.

Anyone know the current sales estimates for ADKOT?

[LittleTexas]

Anyone?

[Hardrock69]

Not Gold yet. I think it would have been announced already if it had.

[chi-town324]

haven't heard anything after the first week

[Hardrock69]

Hey DDE rep! Feed our mods some numbers please! We would really like to know! ;)

[DLR'sCock]

The album dropped to 27 this week on the top 200, but it was 11 last week.

[Jagermeister]

I saw something on the news last night I think it was. Said that they are going to start counting streamed sales as part of the total sale. I didn't catch all of it. It's a good idea IMO.

[vanhalen1r2]

No-one has the to date sales #'s

[Zing!]

Not Gold yet. I think it would have been announced already if it had.

Agree - gold records would have been handed out for the occasion. I doubt =VH= would even announce the fact - they're too big to simply point out gold status (unlike Chickenshit, who announced the gold on their first record like they landed a man on the fucking moon).

[sonrisa salvaje]

This is the count according to Metal By Numbers based on the weekly reported Billboard Sales. These are U.S. sales and i don't know if this is just cd's or if the downloads would be included or not. These are the sales figures that Billboard bases their top 200 album chart on.

week ending 2/15: 187,500
week ending 2/22: 57,880
week ending 2/29: 28,360
week ending 3/7: 25,240
week ending 3/14: 14,000

Total: 312,980

Surely, outside of the U.S. it has sold at least another 150,000 copies so it should be going Gold from a worldwide sense very soon.

[Jagermeister]

This is the count according to Metal By Numbers based on the weekly reported Billboard Sales. These are U.S. sales and i don't know if this is just cd's or if the downloads would be included or not. These are the sales figures that Billboard bases their top 200 album chart on.

week ending 2/15: 187,500
week ending 2/22: 57,880
week ending 2/29: 28,360
week ending 3/7: 25,240
week ending 3/14: 14,000

Total: 312,980

Surely, outside of the U.S. it has sold at least another 150,000 copies so it should be going Gold from a worldwide sense very soon.

That's actually pretty strong I think.

[sonrisa salvaje]

That's actually pretty strong I think.

I agree. In today's market VH III would have sold 50k copies.

[vanshipman]

Agree - gold records would have been handed out for the occasion. I doubt =VH= would even announce the fact - they're too big to simply point out gold status (unlike Chickenshit, who announced the gold on their first record like they landed a man on the fucking moon).

I almost spit my Gatorade on the moon landing comment!!! Friggin hilarious!!!

[SNIPER]

Im wondering why all the people that are attending the concerts are not buying a fucking cd.

[sadaist]

The album dropped to 27 this week on the top 200, but it was 11 last week.


They need to drop Stay Frosty as a single....stat!

[Jérôme Frenchise]

They need to drop Stay Frosty as a single....stat!

Sure! And if only they played it live in addition!

[Hardrock69]

Saw on the news that Adele has been knocked out of the top spot by Bruce Springsteen who sold 197,000 copies his first week. While Adele sold 195,000 to be at No. 2.

[VAiN]

Saw on the news that Adele has been knocked out of the top spot by Bruce Springsteen who sold 197,000 copies his first week. While Adele sold 195,000 to be at No. 2.

Wow, who keeps buying her fucking albums?!?!?

[Halen High]

Im wondering why all the people that are attending the concerts are not buying a fucking cd.

Good question. I read somewhere that the band is not selling copies of ADKOT at the venues. Anyone know if that's true? After hearing TTWN, STW and CT at the shows, I would have thought a lot of people would be lining up to get a copy.

[Halen High]

This is the count according to Metal By Numbers based on the weekly reported Billboard Sales. These are U.S. sales and i don't know if this is just cd's or if the downloads would be included or not. These are the sales figures that Billboard bases their top 200 album chart on.

week ending 2/15: 187,500
week ending 2/22: 57,880
week ending 2/29: 28,360
week ending 3/7: 25,240
week ending 3/14: 14,000

Total: 312,980

Surely, outside of the U.S. it has sold at least another 150,000 copies so it should be going Gold from a worldwide sense very soon.

On another VH site, someone posted the up-to-date worldwide figures, with VH sales at 534,000.

[ZahZoo]

No matter what the record industry calls it... I deemed this record "Gold" after the first listen!!

[Zing!]

What's the breakdown on physical sales versus digital downloads? Shouldn't it be well over platinum if they were combined? DO they get combined? And if not, why not? Anyone know how that works? Have I asked enough questions? Who's getting hammered tomorrow for St. =VH= Day?

[kwame k]

Good question. I read somewhere that the band is not selling copies of ADKOT at the venues. Anyone know if that's true? After hearing TTWN, STW and CT at the shows, I would have thought a lot of people would be lining up to get a copy.

My buddy bought a copy at the Palace show!

[kwame k]

For the life of me I can't understand why they didn't drop the album closer to summertime and start the tour at the same time.......

VH has been and will always be a summertime band.

Were there too many big names hitting the road this summer and they didn't want to compete?

Are they planning to tour the world and then do a second leg here......making it a year long tour?

I just don't understand the logic of the band.......they have a brand new summertime CD out and they are known as being a party time/summertime band........I think the timing may have impacted album sales:(

[vandeleur]

i wonder with the single selection .... we know the fans are gonna buy it , if you want a casual "rock" listener to buy it they need to hear a great single and there are loads on there but not sure tattoo was a good start .. and videos .. they have the video general on board but tattoo was tame and i aint even seen the she's the woman video and the single is out ( i think).....i think they should have released one of the better tracks ( blood and fire) and broke the bank for a classic van halen video.
But hey i aint knocking them they gave me what i always wanted , i just dont wanna be selfish and i wanna share the magic around a bit.

[flappo]

the only thing holding it back is it's recording quality on revealing systems

methinx it's been mastered for itunes only

[flappo]

otherwise it's a fucking bonanza baby

[78/84 guy]

I seen the band had a quick promo on the big screen for it at Best Buy at the last show. So they must think it's selling slower than they wanted it to be. I think the band's history the last 15 years hurt it a little. Shit the average fan walking by it in the store probably has no clue who is even in the band at this point !!! No photo on the outside. And Ed's playing the last couple tours wasn't steller at all. But gold is big these day's for any rock band though.

[Terry]

Im wondering why all the people that are attending the concerts are not buying a fucking cd.

It'd be interesting to see how many of the concert goers are attending because it's an "event" show, or are just at best casual fans of the band vs. longtime/hardcore fans who actually bought the album.

[Zing!]

Some bucks were shelled out yesterday by Interscope to promote ADKOT on YouTube. They had ads, commercials, and pop-ups all over the place, each of them saying: "Get Van Halen to #1! Download 'A Different Kind of Truth Today!" Pretty cool to see the album cover plastered all over the site - and the commercial had the train animated - it popped up when you clicked on any of Van Halen's videos.

[minkahed]

Where the hell are all the van halen fans ?

I kno wasted time has hurt then but damn, this CD doesn't look
Like it's Gonna go Gold anytime soon.

meanwhile, Adele sells 200,000 every week ...

WTF ?

[Nitro Express]

There is no money in albums anymore. Bands have to make their money on the road. It probably means bands make less money now that they did with big tours and big album money.

[minkahed]

There is no money in albums anymore. Bands have to make their money on the road. It probably means bands make less money now that they did with big tours and big album money.

I understand that, but c'mon, the first VH album featuring original lead singer David Lee Roth, in 28 years, the most celebrated eraof music the band ever laid to tape, yet, this new cd can't sell a measly
500,000 copies ?

And people on this board were predicting sales of 5 million ? Sheesh ...

Bruce Springsteen's 2009's "Working On A Dream" was, IMHO, one of his weakest efforts, yet that cd sold 600,000 units in amonth and eventually went Platinum.

[SNIPER]

It's just gonna take a little longer but it will go Platinum.

[Halen High]

I understand that, but c'mon, the first VH album featuring original lead singer David Lee Roth, in 28 years, the most celebrated eraof music the band ever laid to tape, yet, this new cd can't sell a measly
500,000 copies ?

And people on this board were predicting sales of 5 million ? Sheesh ...

Bruce Springsteen's 2009's "Working On A Dream" was, IMHO, one of his weakest efforts, yet that cd sold 600,000 units in amonth and eventually went Platinum.

From memory, I predicted 1 to 1.5 million - over a longer period of time (2 years). Even if the new album turned out to be the best they have ever done, I still thought this would be the case. Our demographic doesn't tend to buy CDs anymore. Then there's downloading (legal and illegal), which according to reports, increases dramatically every year...with some people only downloading 3 or 4 tracks - which if legally done - does count but still reduces the total album sales compared to the past when everyone bought the album.

And even though Dave has been back since 2007, resulting in two great tours and an amazing new album - we can't under-estimate the damage done to the 'Van Halen' name, particularly in 2004, but also between 1986 and 1998.

[minkahed]

From memory, I predicted 1 to 1.5 million - over a longer period of time (2 years). Even if the new album turned out to be the best they have ever done, I still thought this would be the case. Our demographic doesn't tend to buy CDs anymore. Then there's downloading (legal and illegal), which according to reports, increases dramatically every year...with some people only downloading 3 or 4 tracks - which if legally done - does count but still reduces the total album sales compared to the past when everyone bought the album.

And even though Dave has been back since 2007, resulting in two great tours and an amazing new album - we can't under-estimate the damage done to the 'Van Halen' name, particularly in 2004, but also between 1986 and 1998.

Like I said, I understand all that, but all I kept hearing from all Van Halen people is that if they put out a new album with Dave, it would be a monster seller.

Now, they made a kick ass cd and noone's buying it, except us hard core fans !?

I don't know, maybe if they had released "A Different Kind Of Truth" in '07/'08, we'd be looking at different numbers as well.

Maybe if Mike Anthony, (I'm not disrespecting Wolfie), had been in on an original line up, the cd would have definetely gone past Gold by now ...

For christ sake, the album is on it's way out of the Top 40 already after only 5 weeks. Fuck.

[Vinnie Velvet]

Like I said, I understand all that, but all I kept hearing from all Van Halen people is that if they put out a new album with Dave, it would be a monster seller.

Now, they made a kick ass cd and noone's buying it, except us hard core fans !?

I don't know, maybe if they had released "A Different Kind Of Truth" in '07/'08, we'd be looking at different numbers as well.

Maybe if Mike Anthony, (I'm not disrespecting Wolfie), had been in on an original line up, the cd would have definetely gone past Gold by now ...

For christ sake, the album is on it's way out of the Top 40 already after only 5 weeks. Fuck.

Oh well.

Can't do much about that. Its still the best hard rock album since the mid 80s.

But its not 1984 anymore or even 1996 for that matter.

Having said all that, VH/DLR don't seem very interested in promoting the album. They are not doing any interviews, no late night talk show appearances, no magazine cover stories - nothing.

Its as if they don't even care whether the album sells or not. Which is baffling IMO.

Back in the day, when the band was on tour Dave was all over radio stations giving interviews, etc.

I don't think he's done even one radio interview in any of the cities they've played thus far.

Also, VH pioneered (along with MJ) the art of the music video. Yet, all they've done is a piss poor black and white video for Tattoo -- and nothing for She's the Woman.

????

I mean, if the album ultimately tanks its really their own fault.

[private parts]

It's just gonna take a little longer but it will go Platinum.

Hell I just talked to a guy the other day who didn't know VH had a new album! If some of the alt/rock stations would play As Is or Honeybaby sales would jump. I'd put those songs up against
anything thats being played right now.

[BenJammin]

ADKOT had to jump a lot of hurdles (28 years worth) just to become a reality so it's a miracle it was even produced, much less made a respectable blip on the charts.

Plus bad timing from Adele's Grammy sweep and stupid crack whore dying made ADKOT miss the sweet spot of the curve when released.

Be thankful for what you have but don't expect it to conquer the world like it would have back in 1985 - 86 when it SHOULD have been made if not for the fucking universe falling into an evil alternate reality of blandness.

[Vinnie Velvet]

ADKOT had to jump a lot of hurdles (28 years worth) just to become a reality so it's a miracle it was even produced, much less made a respectable blip on the charts.

Plus bad timing from Adele's Grammy sweep and stupid crack whore dying made ADKOT miss the sweet spot of the curve when released.

Be thankful for what you have but don't expect it to conquer the world like it would have back in 1985 - 86 when it SHOULD have been made if not for the fucking universe falling into an evil alternate reality of blandness.

I don't think anyone is expecting 1984-type numbers.

But at least the band could be doing press to beef up the promotion for the album.

Its as if they don't care.

[sonrisa salvaje]

I understand that, but c'mon, the first VH album featuring original lead singer David Lee Roth, in 28 years, the most celebrated eraof music the band ever laid to tape, yet, this new cd can't sell a measly
500,000 copies ?

And people on this board were predicting sales of 5 million ? Sheesh ...

Bruce Springsteen's 2009's "Working On A Dream" was, IMHO, one of his weakest efforts, yet that cd sold 600,000 units in amonth and eventually went Platinum.


Don't forget that The Boss has a satellite radio setting all to himself which played a new cut from that record every hour off of Working on a Dream. I haven't tuned in lately but i'm sure they are playing the hell out of Wrecking Ball as well. Maybe if VH had a channel parked between the Boneyard and Hair Nation they would get a lot of extra run.

[ZahZoo]

I don't think anyone is expecting 1984-type numbers.

But at least the band could be doing press to beef up the promotion for the album.

Its as if they don't care.

I think they care... it's their meal ticket. But as you can see any/all press has been very controlled... nothing live.

I think the main thing is the Van Halens don't want to answer any "sticky subject" questions like related to MA, Spam, Gary or past fall-outs with Dave. Dave is probably being overly cautious only doing sit-downs with print/web media also to avoid the controversial crap...

Notice the lack of drama and soap opera antics... there's the answer.

[Mrkramer]

Quite shocked with the numbers mentioned in the US , considering the band only ever tours the US and is on tour now promoting it
My 2 cents worth,
as already discussed band has not pushed the CD themselves , first choice of single didn't stick with the public. I thought maybe they would of had a media launch regarding CD , world tour , videos etc..
Biggest issue is this band has had no new music to push in over 14 years , to the average Joe this was a 80"s band
And most rock bands aren't doing big numbers, it's the same in Australia . Springsteen will always sell as he never left the
Spotlight and has always put out new material ,,
With the CD not doing the numbers of at least 500 k , I think interscope will push for a live DVD or look into the vaults
To release a DVD of old footage.. Who knows how much they paid to VH to have them on tinterscope ? But the label will want a return on the Cd one way or another..
Saying this I love this cd and all my VH mates do also... Would love to see the band tour outside the US
but doubt it

[Jagermeister]

It's still number 11 on Billboard I think. Really it's doing pretty well I think. It won't sell a million copies though.

[Terry]

It's kinda unreasonable to expect Van Halen 2012 to be moving units like CVH did in the 1980s, if only because their audience back then was comprised of the prime age demo for record buyers back then. Teenagers buy the most in terms of popular music, and I doubt Van Halen's current audience breakdown has a high percentage of teenagers in it. Throw in the free downloading and general decline of record sales in the past several years and it's not too shocking that ADKOT hasn't gone platinum yet.

It'd be a bit surprising if ADKOT didn't at least go gold by the end of the tour, though.

[minkahed]

It's still number 11 on Billboard I think. Really it's doing pretty well I think. It won't sell a million copies though.

#11 ?

Try #37 ...

Holy shit, "ADKOT" sold a paltry 9,886 copies this week.

ToTal U.S. sales= 323,924

At this rate, I doubt this thing will sell much more. Spammy probably getting a good laugh at this I'd bet.

Oh, Guns N Roses "Greatest Hits" just jumped 527% in sales to #3 on Billboard with sales of over 85,000 this week.

Total sales for that album are over 5.1 Million.

[DONNIEP]

Obviously I'm missing something here....I'm sure it's just me, but I'm not plunking down a couple hundred bucks for ANY band's live show if I'm not willing to buy the new record. I mean, I can see how people might want to go see one of the 80s bands live even if they don't have new music out. And there are plenty of them who'll be on tour this summer. BUT the ticket prices are a whole hell of a lot less. I'm a big fan of a lot of bands, and I'm a casual fan of even more. But if I'm not willing to toss out 12 or 14 bucks for their new CD I sure as hell ain't willing to lay down $350 + for two tickets to their show! This ain't the 80s or 90s when tickets were cheap. Perfect example - Thursday, June 20, 1991 - my DLR ticket says I paid 21 bucks for a triple bill show. And a CD back then was 16 fucking dollars!!!

I just don't see why anyone would spend nearly 400 bucks for two tickets (floor seats, maybe nosebleeds are cheaper) but NOT buy the record. Maybe they should have had an option to bundle the tix with a CD for 12 bucks extra. I know I had the option to buy the vinyl copy for, what, 30 or 50 bucks more??? Bundle the CD with the tix and I'm certain it would have sold more. I'm not bitching, and I'm not expecting 1980s sales numbers for this record. But I do think that they missed an opportunity by offering ONLY the vinyl copy bundle with the tix and not offering a CD copy. Just my opinion. :gulp:

And yes, I'm fucking happy that they "gave" me what they did. I'd be even happier if they'd "give" me some of the old footage. I'd gladly buy that too, in a fucking heartbeat!

[SNIPER]

Obviously I'm missing something here....I'm sure it's just me, but I'm not plunking down a couple hundred bucks for ANY band's live show if I'm not willing to buy the new record. I mean, I can see how people might want to go see one of the 80s bands live even if they don't have new music out. And there are plenty of them who'll be on tour this summer. BUT the ticket prices are a whole hell of a lot less. I'm a big fan of a lot of bands, and I'm a casual fan of even more. But if I'm not willing to toss out 12 or 14 bucks for their new CD I sure as hell ain't willing to lay down $350 + for two tickets to their show! This ain't the 80s or 90s when tickets were cheap. Perfect example - Thursday, June 20, 1991 - my DLR ticket says I paid 21 bucks for a triple bill show. And a CD back then was 16 fucking dollars!!!

I just don't see why anyone would spend nearly 400 bucks for two tickets (floor seats, maybe nosebleeds are cheaper) but NOT buy the record. Maybe they should have had an option to bundle the tix with a CD for 12 bucks extra. I know I had the option to buy the vinyl copy for, what, 30 or 50 bucks more??? Bundle the CD with the tix and I'm certain it would have sold more. I'm not bitching, and I'm not expecting 1980s sales numbers for this record. But I do think that they missed an opportunity by offering ONLY the vinyl copy bundle with the tix and not offering a CD copy. Just my opinion. :gulp:

And yes, I'm fucking happy that they "gave" me what they did. I'd be even happier if they'd "give" me some of the old footage. I'd gladly buy that too, in a fucking heartbeat!

Thats what I am talking about !!!! What the fuck !!! Crazy shit !!! :confused12:

[DONNIEP]

Thats what I am talking about !!!! What the fuck !!! Crazy shit !!! :confused12:

Exactly! What the fuck??? I just don't get it. I swear to God I'm going to piss off every person around me at the Charlotte show by asking them "did you buy the new record?" And then I'm going to say, "Why the fuck are you here then?" And God help the Sammy fan who's occupying floor seats next to me and starts pissing and moaning for that fat bastard's unholy return to MY band!!! :pullinghair:

[gbranton]

The sickening thing is, there probably ARE a million copies of ADKOT out there circulating around but the other 650,000 were illegal downloads. I hate to say it but we have become a nation of thieves and what's even worse is that there's no shame in it. People justify their actions by saying lame assed shit like "Oh, they have plenty of money..." when they ought to be fucking ashamed of themselves. I hope the spineless pussy-assed thieves who stole this album enjoy the motherfucker because at this rate we won't get another one.

[gbranton]

........and if anybody reading this stole it, FUCK YOU TOO!!!

[DONNIEP]

The sickening thing is, there probably ARE a million copies of ADKOT out there circulating around but the other 650,000 were illegal downloads. I hate to say it but we have become a nation of thieves and what's even worse is that there's no shame in it. People justify their actions by saying lame assed shit like "Oh, they have plenty of money..." when they ought to be fucking ashamed of themselves. I hope the spineless pussy-assed thieves who stole this album enjoy the motherfucker because at this rate we won't get another one.

My opinion, and that's just what it is - my fucking opinion - my opinion is this: IF you downloaded ADKOT and then bought a copy, so fucking what? I see this just the same as if you pushed the red record button on your jambox back in '84 and then bought the record or tape. But if you ripped a copy and didn't buy one, then FUCK YOU!!!

I will never, NEVER, understand why anyone would pay a couple hundred bucks for a couple of Van Halen tickets and NOT buy the record. I just don't get it. Why? Why would you buy the tickets and then jump through all the hoops to go to the show that most of us jump through just to go if you wouldn't even buy the fucking record??? Perfect example - Momshell. She's been to what, 3, 4 shows??? This Lady is a TRUE Van Halen Fan and her husband supports her desire to go to another!!! I would bet my left ball that she bought a copy! Bought and paid for. And I just don't understand why anyone, anyone on this fucking planet, would pay good money to go to a VH show without buying the new record. So for all the guests that "linger" around here, go and BUY a record!!! Sorry, a CD!!! Buy two, hell, buy three like I did!!!

[Mrkramer]

Wow, who keeps buying her fucking albums?!?!?

Bed wetters..... That's who

[SNIPER]

I bought 12 copies.

[ZahZoo]

I think sales are pretty darn good in the context of VH's relevance in the music world today. Most of us have a fairly myopic view given we're mostly guitar based rock fans... add to that our core demographic is pushing or already conquered middle age. Rock isn't dead... but it's hay-day is clearly planted in the rear view mirror...

Just a quick browse of Billboard.com makes it blatantly clear Van Halen and their type of music is not a major force in music anymore. To be sitting at #27 on the Billboard Top 200 this many weeks in, is damn good... Look at who's in the Top 40. Not too many "rock" groups at all.

People do view VH as an 80's band. Compared to current popular rock groups they sure as hell ain't a 2010's rock group. Hardly anyone new is producing guitar-based hard rock... hell find me a song with a gawd-damned guitar solo section with more than 5 notes these days is rare. So yeah... VH is 80's style rock... no beans about it.

I'm surprised the record has sold and held chart position this well. Those considering concert goers who haven't bought the new album... you have to consider to-date there's probably less than 100,000 people who've attended the current tour. Odds are at least one per car load has bought the new album. With people dragging their kids, girl friends, buddies, etc. along to shows.... I'd figure 25-30% have bought the album. So we're still not so bad off...

This thing will most likely go gold, maybe platinum... over time. That's fine. It's growing into the fabric though on radio and in other media. Last weekend ESPN was using part of Beats Workin as a bumper during the NASCAR Nationwide race at Bristol. Probably would help things if the band would make some sort of live media appearance on late night or some sporting event... But that doesn't seem very possible while they've outfitted the tour buses as mobile Howdy Doody Bat Caves...

[sonrisa salvaje]

#11 ?

Try #37 ...

Holy shit, "ADKOT" sold a paltry 9,886 copies this week.

ToTal U.S. sales= 323,924

At this rate, I doubt this thing will sell much more. Spammy probably getting a good laugh at this I'd bet.

Oh, Guns N Roses "Greatest Hits" just jumped 527% in sales to #3 on Billboard with sales of over 85,000 this week.

Total sales for that album are over 5.1 Million.

Here is the reason for the GNR:

Guns N’ Roses’ “Greatest Hits,” oddly, makes a big chart bounce from No. 31 to No. 3 with 85,000 copies (618%). Why? The compilation was price for $.25 – that’s right, a quarter – on AmazonMP3 and Google Play for one day last week"

So there you go. I guess Van Halen could take the easy way out and price their way to platinum if they wanted to give it away but who would make any money?

[Jagermeister]

Here is the reason for the GNR:

Guns N’ Roses’ “Greatest Hits,” oddly, makes a big chart bounce from No. 31 to No. 3 with 85,000 copies (618%). Why? The compilation was price for $.25 – that’s right, a quarter – on AmazonMP3 and Google Play for one day last week"

So there you go. I guess Van Halen could take the easy way out and price their way to platinum if they wanted to give it away but who would make any money?

I'm not sure Billboard tabulates those into album sales yet.

[sonrisa salvaje]

There is a striking similarity here:

Van Halen:

week ending 2/15: 187,500 arriving at #2 on Billboard
week ending 2/22: 57,880 drops to #5 on Billboard

Bruce Springsteen:

week 1: 196,000 arriving at # 1 on Billboard
week 2: 57,000 drops to # 4 on Billboard

[ZahZoo]

That is strikingly similar...

Out of a population of 7 billion people only 57K were buying rock records that given week... WTF were the other 6.99994 billion people up to?

[vandeleur]

That is strikingly similar...

Out of a population of 7 billion people only 57K were buying rock records that given week... WTF were the other 6.99994 billion people up to?

I can tell you they wernt watching a video of she's the woman :biggrin:

[chuckie lee]

Clearly I had and have no idea wtf I was talkin about. I at this point am prayin for platinum by years end. To see Springsteen having the trouble sellin the way he used to makes it understandable, but still painful to see who does and doesnt move product these days... Blame it on the Mayan's calendar... :doh:

[sadaist]

It is important to remember dudes....you are looking & comparing it to the 6 pack sales #'s. They have had 30 years to sell that many. ADKOT has been out for less than 2 months. Give it some time. Wait until summer when the tour has hit a lot more cities and more singles are getting radio play.

[sadaist]

And to people worried if it doesn't sell great that VH will say fuck it & not ever do another album.....


what the fuck else they gonna do? They won't retire. Musicians never truly retire. And EVH & AVH are always in their studio jamming & recording. Now that they have dusted off the cobwebs it might not be that hard to send some tape to Dave and say sing over this. And maybe all the dealing & red tape they made with Dave about royalties, percentages, and all that lame stuff is now DONE. So they won't have to go through all that on the next album. Politics has been handled.

[sonrisa salvaje]

Right on. The days of records going Gold and Platinum on the date of their release are long gone. I'm telling you, considering the state of the economy and the music industry today, ADKOT is a success!

[hambon4lif]

Are the pre-ordered sales of the vinyl already factored in?
If it isn't, the number's are going to jump considerably.:thumb:

[DONNIEP]

This thing will most likely go gold, maybe platinum... over time. That's fine. It's growing into the fabric though on radio and in other media. Last weekend ESPN was using part of Beats Workin as a bumper during the NASCAR Nationwide race at Bristol. Probably would help things if the band would make some sort of live media appearance on late night or some sporting event...

I heard it during the race too. And the first thing that popped into my head was "VH should sponsor a car for a race." I know - most people probably think that's a stupid idea. But NASCAR averages around 7 million viewers per race. Can you imagine a red, white and black striped Franken-car haulin' ass at 200 miles an hour? They'd get a shitload of press and wouldn't even have to show up. Might sound ridiculous, but it would damn sure get the message out that Van Halen has a new record out.

[chi-town324]

this is the first album i bought in over 10 years...the 40 plus crowd just isn't that relative to sales....the music kicks ass thats all i care about

[Jagermeister]

Are the pre-ordered sales of the vinyl already factored in?
If it isn't, the number's are going to jump considerably.:thumb:

Maybe. Hard to say really. Most folks these day's don't buy vinyl. A show of hands who will buy vinyl?

1. 4lif
2. Jagy
?. Walker will wait until someone he knows rips it and will DL it so he's out.

[SNIPER]

I am gonna get vinyl to frame for my VH wall. It is a must have for all VH fans!! :baaa:

[SNIPER]

Anybody else besides me ever buy any of those VH framed plaques they sell on Hollywood Blvd and in some of the big chain record stores? I have a cool DLR EEAS one and a VH Diver Down era one. They are kinda cool.

[Zing!]

I'm sure this has been asked before - but are they selling ADKOT cds at the shows? You'd think a lot of casual rock fans - not necessarily die-hard VH fans - would pick up a copy for $10 if it was staring them in the face. I know I impulse buy all kinds of shit at concerts, cds included.

[Jagermeister]

Maybe. Hard to say really. Most folks these day's don't buy vinyl. A show of hands who will buy vinyl?

1. 4lif
2. Jagy
?. Walker will wait until someone he knows rips it and will DL it so he's out.
3. Sniper

[stringfelowhawk]

ADKOT had to jump a lot of hurdles (28 years worth) just to become a reality so it's a miracle it was even produced, much less made a respectable blip on the charts.

Plus bad timing from Adele's Grammy sweep and stupid crack whore dying made ADKOT miss the sweet spot of the curve when released.

Be thankful for what you have but don't expect it to conquer the world like it would have back in 1985 - 86 when it SHOULD have been made if not for the fucking universe falling into an evil alternate reality of blandness.


GREAT SCOTT! I hold Doc Brown and Marty McFly personally responsible for this "evil alternate reality of blandness".

[SNIPER]

Hell, I might even have to buy a turntable for that fucker. :hpone:

[SNIPER]

GREAT SCOTT! I hold Doc Brown and Marty McFly personally responsible for this "evil alternate reality of blandness".

:biggrin:

[ODShowtime]

Maybe. Hard to say really. Most folks these day's don't buy vinyl. A show of hands who will buy vinyl?

1. 4lif
2. Jagy
?. Walker will wait until someone he knows rips it and will DL it so he's out.

I got the LPs on order. Hopefully they're not mastered as hot as the CD was. The CD sounds good but it's outrageously loud.

So that's two for me.

[ZahZoo]

I heard it during the race too. And the first thing that popped into my head was "VH should sponsor a car for a race." I know - most people probably think that's a stupid idea. But NASCAR averages around 7 million viewers per race. Can you imagine a red, white and black striped Franken-car haulin' ass at 200 miles an hour? They'd get a shitload of press and wouldn't even have to show up. Might sound ridiculous, but it would damn sure get the message out that Van Halen has a new record out.

Like this...

http://www.rfactorcentral.com/skins/screenshots/lge/05-Jul-10-1281-VH_84Render.jpg

or this...

http://www.gunnarracing.com/project/gt3/GT3-0806-18.jpg

http://www.halen.com/evh/modules/PNphpBB2/files/20070420_mjr_su5_067_139.jpg

[sonrisa salvaje]

Count me in and i haven't bought any vinyl since the mid 80's. Not sure what i'll do with it but by god i'll have it. I'll probably die someday and one of my kids will say "damn, dad was still buying records in 2012. What a wierdo."

[sinner's swing]

Maybe. Hard to say really. Most folks these day's don't buy vinyl. A show of hands who will buy vinyl?

1. 4lif
2. Jagy
?. Walker will wait until someone he knows rips it and will DL it so he's out.
4. me, I ordered it the day it was available to be ordered.

[DLR'sCock]

I heard it during the race too. And the first thing that popped into my head was "VH should sponsor a car for a race." I know - most people probably think that's a stupid idea. But NASCAR averages around 7 million viewers per race. Can you imagine a red, white and black striped Franken-car haulin' ass at 200 miles an hour? They'd get a shitload of press and wouldn't even have to show up. Might sound ridiculous, but it would damn sure get the message out that Van Halen has a new record out.


I think Nascar is idiotic, but it is a great idea for promotion and the cost would be marginal compared to the exposure. Jeez, talk about feeding off of the bottom.

[Nitro Express]

Eddie did say his second dream job if he didn't make it in music was to be a race car driver.

[Nitro Express]

I think Nascar is idiotic, but it is a great idea for promotion and the cost would be marginal compared to the exposure. Jeez, talk about feeding off of the bottom.

To be honest I don't watch NASCAR but I love NASCAR. Why? It keeps some excellent parts suppliers here in the US in business. I doubt you would have Edelbrock or Mallory still in business if there was no NASCAR. Now those businesses are fighting for their lives. How many US jobs does NASCAR provide? I don't have a number but it's got to be huge.

[sonrisa salvaje]

According to the figures that have been posted via Global sales charts, ADKOT has already gone Gold. These figures would be reflective of worldwide sales including U.S., U.K., Japan, etc. They show the following according to their chart archives:
week 1 - 284k
week 2 - 102k
week 3 - 61k
week 4 - 50k
week 5 - 34k

This makes a total of 531k worldwide. I find it strange that there has been no announcement about a certification but then again does Van Halen really care about Gold status? Do they really care about certification at all? It looks to me like RIAA hasn't run their numbers in a while considering 1984 hit diamond status on 2/8/99 and Van Halen I hit diamond status on 8/7/96. I think it is safe to say that both of these records have sold at least a million or two more since 13 and 16 years ago. Another interesting thing is that Best Of Volume I was released on 10/22/96. It was certified Gold and Platinum on the same day - 5/1/97 some 7 months later. It obviously sold 500k months prior to 1M but there was no rush in getting it certified. Something has to trigger the inquiry for certfication to happen such as the label, management company or the artist. My conclusion is that it is just not a big deal anymore at least to Van Halen. Interscope may get involved soon to toot their own horn.

[DLR'sCock]

According to the figures that have been posted via Global sales charts, ADKOT has already gone Gold. These figures would be reflective of worldwide sales including U.S., U.K., Japan, etc. They show the following according to their chart archives:
week 1 - 284k
week 2 - 102k
week 3 - 61k
week 4 - 50k
week 5 - 34k

This makes a total of 531k worldwide. I find it strange that there has been no announcement about a certification but then again does Van Halen really care about Gold status? Do they really care about certification at all? It looks to me like RIAA hasn't run their numbers in a while considering 1984 hit diamond status on 2/8/99 and Van Halen I hit diamond status on 8/7/96. I think it is safe to say that both of these records have sold at least a million or two more since 13 and 16 years ago. Another interesting thing is that Best Of Volume I was released on 10/22/96. It was certified Gold and Platinum on the same day - 5/1/97 some 7 months later. It obviously sold 500k months prior to 1M but there was no rush in getting it certified. Something has to trigger the inquiry for certfication to happen such as the label, management company or the artist. My conclusion is that it is just not a big deal anymore at least to Van Halen. Interscope may get involved soon to toot their own horn.


Gold and Platinum status is based on distribution[you can't distribute a digital download and I am uncertain if they count those sales at all, which they should of course...] within differing nation states. In the US it is based on distribution of 500k copies to stores, yadda yadda within all US states and territories, etc.

Each nation has their own differing standard since populations vary from one to the next.

I wonder about digital downloads since the origination source most likely wouldn't vary for different nations, or maybe they would divide it up based on sales to customers in said nation and not where it was sold from? Interesting.

[ZahZoo]

I think Nascar is idiotic, but it is a great idea for promotion and the cost would be marginal compared to the exposure. Jeez, talk about feeding off of the bottom.

You obviously don't have a grasp on the magnitude of NASCAR...

They host 17 of the Top 20 Sports team events worldwide. Here's the cost of sponsorship...

$500,000 to $2 million for an Associate sponsor - A logo on either the lower rear quarter panels, the rear deck lid, or one post.
$2 to $5 million for a Major sponsor - A logo prominently displayed on either the rear quarter panels or the rear deck lid, and the uniforms.
$10 to $20 million for a Primary sponsor - Logos on the entire hood and quarter panels, the signage below the quarter panels, most of the two posts, the equipment, the uniforms, as well as the color scheme of the car and team uniforms.

At least Ed gets it...

http://www.guitarsite.com/news/images/guitar/EVHatNASCAR.jpg

[DLR'sCock]

Yes it is quite obvious that I don't "get it" or have a grasp on NASCAR....look I know it's huge, I just didn't realize the cost at all......oh well....pooh pooh......I don't pay attention to it......I don't care. If one digs it, good for them!

Anyway, the album is number 35 this week not 37.

[ELVIS]

Jeez, talk about feeding off of the bottom.

Why is that "feeding off the bottom" ??

[moose]

Just checked the amount of times ADKOT has been downloaded on the
site I use for movies and a quick tally amounts to over 100000
Fuckin incredible eh......

[gbranton]

Just checked the amount of times ADKOT has been downloaded on the
site I use for movies and a quick tally amounts to over 100000
Fuckin incredible eh......

My point EXACTLY. And by the way, stealing movies isn't any better.

[moose]

On the site I use u can watch movies or download
I watch
Only time I rip is when the movie is a giallo or euro trash
Or horror movies that u can't get here

[gbranton]

On the site I use u can watch movies or download
I watch

Do you PAY to watch?............ I didn't think so. SAME THING.

[moose]

Do you PAY to watch?............ I didn't think so. SAME THING.

Nope
All the flicks i watch are b movies and or
cult classics
Not to interested in the crap at the theatres
Of something comes along that I think is worth spending
The coin then yea I go and buy a large popcorn and coke
Sit my ass in one of them uncomfortable seats and enjoy
the big picture show

[sadaist]

Hell, I might even have to buy a turntable for that fucker. :hpone:

Dude, I have been thinking seriously about buying a nice turntable and rebuilding a small collection of my favorite albums. I saved my old HUMONGOUS Sony headphones from the 80's because they fucking kick ass. Hmmm...I think turntables are like $125 for a nice one. Maybe a little more.

Plus a Saturday afternoon browsing some shithole record store sounds like fun.

[Hardrock69]

Vinyl is doing well.

I was at a friend's record store (yes, he has one of those) a couple of months back and found this for 4 bucks!

http://i40.tinypic.com/5capo4.jpg

[gbranton]

Nope
All the flicks i watch are b movies and or
cult classics

Oh, ok. It's all right to steal those.

[Hardrock69]

Just checked the amount of times ADKOT has been downloaded on the
site I use for movies and a quick tally amounts to over 100000
Fuckin incredible eh......

Actually no, that is FUCKED UP! :mad:

VH are at a little over 385,000 physical units sold in the US....granted, some of that 100,000 units will not be in the US, but a large chunk of those downloads ARE....if the fuckers would get off their lazy goddamnable asses and buy the fucking album at the store or through Amazon...VH would get another Gold album in the US!

[sadaist]

Give it some time HR. Like all things VH, it takes a little while and it will slowly soak into the fabric of America. Then in 5+ years we won't even remember what it was like to not have these 13 songs. Someone earlier said Beats Workin' was played during a Nascar event. Only 6 weeks since release man. It'll get it's legs. Just wait until NFL season.

[ODShowtime]

Plus a Saturday afternoon browsing some shithole record store sounds like fun.

Yeah it is. There's a flea market near me where this one guy is KILLING IT. His selection is insane. I bring back like 10 records for 50 bucks. It's worth a little money because he pulls excellent finds in good condition. Even got a Stones Euro '73 soundboard LP last week.

But the search is awesome. I've been wanting Tres Hombres for awhile and the other day I found it for less than $1 in great shape! SCORE! It's a fun hobby. Then you spin the fuckers loud as hell while you get RETAHDED!!

[minkahed]

Give it some time HR. Like all things VH, it takes a little while and it will slowly soak into the fabric of America. Then in 5+ years we won't even remember what it was like to not have these 13 songs. Someone earlier said Beats Workin' was played during a Nascar event. Only 6 weeks since release man. It'll get it's legs. Just wait until NFL season.

Wait until NFL season ? Why ? Why should we even have to negotiate that the cd will grow some legs. The fuckin' cd has legs, but our boys are not promoting this album like I had anticipated at all.

I been telling everyone about this disc, yet, I get the same answer all the time, "Van Halen has a new album out?" "I haven't heard anything off the album yet ..."

I even had this dipshit at work thinking that Sammy was still in the band. WTF?

All's I'm saying is that, why make this killer albumand release it, if nobody but us die hards are the only ones that's gonna hear it ?

illogical logic, if you ask me ...

[DLR'sCock]

Actually no, that is FUCKED UP! :mad:

VH are at a little over 385,000 physical units sold in the US....granted, some of that 100,000 units will not be in the US, but a large chunk of those downloads ARE....if the fuckers would get off their lazy goddamnable asses and buy the fucking album at the store or through Amazon...VH would get another Gold album in the US!

If they did sell that many already in the US, then they most certainly will be getting then the GOLD award within the near future.

[minkahed]

Weird thing is, only 14.29%, or 15 of us, were realistic enough with our predictions in the "Under a Million" category in sales.

Where are all the people who predicted Millions sold ?

We should be told !

[sadaist]

Weird thing is, only 14.29%, or 15 of us, were realistic enough with our predictions in the "Under a Million" category in sales.

Where are all the people who predicted Millions sold ?

We should be told !


IT'S ONLY BEEN FUCKING 6 GOD DAMMED WEEKS!


Jesus Christ people. Chill the fuck out. You act like if 10 million people didn't line up to buy it on release day & send it diamond status immediately then it's a fucking failure. 6 weeks!! 6 weeks!! 6 weeks!! Man you guys are fucking picky & impatient.

STAY FROSTY you over caffeinated VH fans. Record it & the sales #'s will come.

[sadaist]

I even had this dipshit at work thinking that Sammy was still in the band. WTF?
.


So? That means the dipshit at work doesn't know about Chickenfoot either. Lucky him.

[Light Em' Up!]

So? That means the dipshit at work doesn't know about Chickenfoot either. Lucky him.

:lmao:

[SNIPER]

I had a dipshit at work tell me he thought Sammy was the lead guitarist in Van Halen. :biggrin:

[minkahed]

IT'S ONLY BEEN FUCKING 6 GOD DAMMED WEEKS!


Jesus Christ people. Chill the fuck out. You act like if 10 million people didn't line up to buy it on release day & send it diamond status immediately then it's a fucking failure. 6 weeks!! 6 weeks!! 6 weeks!! Man you guys are fucking picky & impatient.

STAY FROSTY you over caffeinated VH fans. Record it & the sales #'s will come.

And your telling me to chill ?

A ha ...be careful or your limited brain capacity might burst ...

6 Week!! 6 Weeks!! 6 Weeks!! :horn:

[Nickdfresh]

Weird thing is, only 14.29%, or 15 of us, were realistic enough with our predictions in the "Under a Million" category in sales.

Where are all the people who predicted Millions sold ?

We should be told !

Well, you really "told" us so! Congratulations on giving so much of a fuck...

[SunisinuS]

:lmao:


I was just thanking your signature Light 'em. Probably that makes me slow...because of what you lit up earlier...

[SunisinuS]

And your telling me to chill ?

A ha ...be careful or your limited brain capacity might burst ...

6 Week!! 6 Weeks!! 6 Weeks!! :horn:

I am an intellectual slut.

What are you?

[DONNIEP]

For me, I don't look at the album sales as a comparison to other bands or what Van Halen sold back in the day. To me, it's more of a gauge of how many Van Halen fans are willing to actually step up to the cash register and buy the damn record! Where are all the Van Halen fans? Those of us who bought up the six pack like a teenager on a weekend bender in Tijuana? I could give two shits how many records this album sells over the course of a year. Give it a year??? Fuck me! We used to snatch up copies of the latest Van Halen record like it was GOLD! Back then...I really was grateful for what they "gave" me, because it was the best damn thing I'd ever heard! And it was the new Van Halen record! And now, after 28 fucking years, we get a new Van Halen record and only a handful of us buy the damn thing? I just don't get it.

[SunisinuS]

The meter has changed. AAscap will tell you that. Watch what happens with any metric. The "Music Industry" wants to fool those that purchase it's product. VH is still fine. It will find it's way. I am sitting next to the record myself. Let American Idol work it's foul.

Next Week your Niece will have a poster of ADOT on her wall.

minkahed will leave it's name and number in the dumpster when it's through.

Mikey In Nickelback a Head Eater Dalliance (minkahed) is just testing his undropped testicles. The person has nothing in the Show Your Work Thread...has no experience with the industry....thinks Jersey Shore is real life and worships Kim Khardasian...no worries D.

[Angel]

I'm amazed how many people have said to me "they have an album coming out soon." I usually respond "not till they're finished touring to promote the one that just came out".

I agree, the promo has been to us rabid fans that sit here with our tongues hanging out.


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[Zing!]

And now, after 28 fucking years, we get a new Van Halen record and only a handful of us buy the damn thing? I just don't get it.

It's not like Van Halen has instilled a lot of loyalty in its fan base over those 28 years. CVH fans bailed in '86. Casual fans probably bailed after '96. Die hards left the flock after the Cherone debacle. Add on to that the '04 trainwreck tour, the three lousy songs on BOBW, Ed's porno party, etc., etc., and its a wonder there's anyone left at all to buy ADKOT. Most folks out there aren't as dedicated to VH as we are to DLR.

[qikgts]

Give it some time HR. Like all things VH, it takes a little while and it will slowly soak into the fabric of America. Then in 5+ years we won't even remember what it was like to not have these 13 songs. Someone earlier said Beats Workin' was played during a Nascar event. Only 6 weeks since release man. It'll get it's legs. Just wait until NFL season.

Watching the Nationwide series race in the background now and so far I've heard them bump out to commercials with both Beats Workin' and Blood and Fire. They may have played some others but I haven't been totally listening.

[DLR'sCock]

The album is now number 50 on the billboard top 200.

[kwame k]

That sucks.......they need to do another push on the album.

Summertime and VH.....it's a winning combination!

[DLR'sCock]

The potential radio singles are Stay Frosty, Blood and Fire, and You and Your Blues, but the thing is that this is not a POP album at all........it fucking ROCKS!!!!!!!!! I know that I have influenced many people to buy the album. I know that many of us in the roth army have done the same, and word of mouth will continue......but the album is so good, it will sell more.

[So this is love]

People our age don`t buy music anymore, they`re all sucked up in their own life trying to survive...And the younger generations are not interested in this kind of music...just like our generation X wasn`t buying the new release of the Beach Boys in the `80s...

P.S. Come to think of it when I express my appreciation for VH these days to a younger crowd, I`m starting to sound like my father back when I was a teen and talking about his 50`s music such as Glenn Miller and all these real musicians as he would call them...:yo:

[ELVIS]

Summertime Blues should have been on the album and released as a single instead of Tattoo...


:elvis: