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Seshmeister
01-10-2012, 08:32 PM
Even the right wing press here are worried about them.

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/tomchiversscience/100128559/republicans-turn-their-back-on-the-enlightenment/

Republicans turn their back on the Enlightenment

By Tom Chivers US politics Last updated: January 10th, 2012

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Over in the US, the Republican party is choosing its presidential nominee to face Barack Obama in November. But whoever wins, science may lose.

The Grand Ol’ Party (GOP), as the Republicans are known, has an uncomfortable relationship with scientific fact. Rick Santorum, a frontrunner in the nomination race, has said of a fellow candidate: “If he wants to believe he is the descendant of a monkey then he has the right to believe that, but I disagree with him on this liberal belief.” Yes: acknowledging biology’s central premise is “liberal”. His opponents Ron Paul, Rick Perry, Mitt Romney, Michelle Bachman and Newt Gingrich have all made noises doubting either climate change, evolution or both; only Jon Huntsman, a forlorn no-hoper, acknowledges the reality of both.

It’s not just the candidates. Fifty-two per cent of Republican voters reject the theory of evolution, saying mankind was created in present form within the last 10,000 years; just 31 per cent think man-made climate change is happening. In Congress, Republicans fought stem cell research and the HPV vaccine. Sarah Palin, ignoramus-in-chief, mocked “fruit-fly research” as a “pet project [with] little or nothing to do with the public good,” rejecting at a stroke most advances in genetics since Gregor Mendel.

“Is the GOP anti-science?” asks Chris Mooney, author of The Republican War on Science and Unscientific America. “It depends on your definition. If you mean ‘Takes many positions that are contrary to scientific understanding’, then yes; if it’s ‘Has an animus towards scientists’, then data suggests it’s true; if it’s ‘Wants to de-fund scientific research’, it's less clear, but to some extent true.”

To some extent, the cause is obvious. Religious conservatives have difficulties with science, notably evolution and a lot of medical research. Fiscal conservatives are leery of the idea of global warming, because the proposed responses are seen as constricting of business.
But it hasn’t always been like this in the party of Eisenhower and Lincoln. A move towards anti-intellectualism began in the 1960s: “The Republican political elites decided to energise their base around culture-war issues, like women’s rights, gay rights, separation of church and state, and abortion,” says Mooney. “It was called ‘Nixon’s Southern Strategy’, and it worked: the Republicans became the party of people who have very, very traditionalist views on cultural issues.”

This Nixonian strategy actually changed conservative psychology, according to Mooney. “It’s been argued convincingly that when you energise people around these sort of issues you get an authoritarian streak coming out, characterised by rigidity and inflexibility, thinking that you're absolutely right and the other side is absolutely wrong; a need for certainty, a need for order.” This black-and-white thinking does not sit well with science’s error bars and uncertainties.
Worse, it’s become a vicious circle. The Republican party is trapped by its own anti-science tactics. Part of the culture war strategy included attacking intellectuals: describing them as weak and spineless and effete. Academics, always liberal-inclined, responded by becoming more so:

“They're so overwhelmingly liberal now it's kind of ridiculous, and so is the scientific community. The Democratic party is drawing the votes of people with advanced degrees, and the Republican party is not,” says Mooney. So, in turn, the Republican party reacted by becoming ever more distrustful of intellectualism, and pushing wave after wave of scientists and academics from the Right to the Left. “The more the Republican party rejects nuance and attacks knowledge, the more the people who have knowledge go the other way. It shows in statistics about liberalism among professors and scientists, and distribution of PhDs across the parties: there's a giant knowledge and expertise gap.”

And to appeal to this anti-intellectual base, the Republican elite now have to pretend to be stupider than they are. Gingrich, who in earlier years repeatedly acknowledged the dangers of climate change, suddenly dropped a chapter written by a climate scientist from an upcoming book after getting challenged on air by Rush Limbaugh, the hugely influential Right-wing talk radio host; Mitt Romney moved from “I believe the world is getting warmer, and I believe that humans have contributed to that” to “We don't know what's causing climate change on this planet” in the space of three months.

Do they mean it, or is it pandering to their anti-intellectual base? “Santorum, Bachmann and Perry are completely out of touch with reality. With Romney and Gingrich, many people get the impression that they know what's right and what's wrong, but can’t say it,” says Mooney.
Perhaps. But nowadays, to get far in the Republican party, you can’t be part of what George Bush might call the reality-based community. It’s a worrying state of affairs: America is becoming an intellectual two-speed nation, with a technocratic, informed elite and a scientifically illiterate rump who are falling behind economically in their increasingly knowledge-based economy. The GOP is increasingly the party of the uneducated: it’s bad enough for them, but if it means voting stupid people, or people who are pretending to be stupid, into the most powerful office in the world, it’s bad for the rest of us too.

kwame k
01-10-2012, 08:59 PM
This is exactly why I'd never vote for a Repuke right now.......

The thing that kills me about these douches is.....they scream for smaller government, yet are the first ones to demand more government, to ban gay marriages, overturn Roe v Wade and a myriad of other "moral" issues.

Seshmeister
01-10-2012, 09:56 PM
The US and UK still regularly top the league tables for scientific research and in a world where the power and money is shifting to the East science is going to be the one thing we will have going for us when trying to compete.

Just to clarify I'm not a scientist and have no personal axe to grind.

Nitro Express
01-11-2012, 01:35 AM
The US and UK still regularly top the league tables for scientific research and in a world where the power and money is shifting to the East science is going to be the one thing we will have going for us when trying to compete.

Just to clarify I'm not a scientist and have no personal axe to grind.

By power and money you mean making real products. What good is science if you don't do anything with it? Also in the process of producing something you get feedback from that process and new discoveries. An interesting read is how Kelly Johnson ran the Skunk Works and how it could produce amazing airplanes in a short amount of time. He had a system where the fabricators, engineers, and scientists were all equal on the project and it was an open environment. If anyone had an ego that was a problem they were out of there.

My uncle is a physicist who graduated in the top 1% of his class at MIT. He worked most his career at Los Alamos. I had dinner with him in Sante Fe not too long ago and he was saying what is causing all the scientific breakthroughs now is the internet. He said it used to be you had to get everyone in the same room but now scientists all over the world communicate in real time and it's those flow of ideas. He also said technology is not the problem, it's politics. He worked for the government for most his life and said our biggest problems and what is holding us back are people who don't want their power base to go obsolete. Until you can get the financing and government off your ass, you can't do anything.

Until you get the financing and the means to produce, it's just an idea and nothing comes of it. This is the current problem.

Nitro Express
01-11-2012, 01:54 AM
This is exactly why I'd never vote for a Repuke right now.......

The thing that kills me about these douches is.....they scream for smaller government, yet are the first ones to demand more government, to ban gay marriages, overturn Roe v Wade and a myriad of other "moral" issues.

Both sides spend like drunken sailors and love big government. It's just that they market themselves on social issues. If you are gay you become a Democrat because you are welcome there. If you are old school religious you don't want to hang with those sinners so you become a republican. All the politicians really care about is how much money the lobby gives them and then they either waive a gun and a bible up in the air or they promise rainbows and unicorns. In reality, they are only going to do what the oil companies, defense contractors, insurance companies, and banks want them to do. The other shit is a show for the little people.