U.S. Marines To Investigate Video of Soldiers Urinating on Corpses GRAPHIC CONTENT

[Jagermeister]

This should stir some strong debate today.

http://www.tmz.com/2012/01/11/u-s-marines-investigating-video-urinating-taliban/

The United States Marine Corps is launching an investigation into a video which appears to show Marines in full combat gear urinating on several dead bodies ... TMZ has learned.

In the extremely graphic video, which appeared on various websites this morning, at least 4 male Marines expose their genitals and urinate on the bodies.

The mystery person who posted the video included a caption that reads, "scout sniper team 4 with 3rd battalion 2nd marines out of camp lejeune peeing on dead talibans."

Now, Captain Kendra N. Hardesty -- a Media Officer for the USMC -- tells us, "While we have not yet verified the origin or authenticity of this video, the actions portrayed are not consistent with our core values and are not indicative of the character of the Marines in our Corps."

She adds, "This matter will be fully investigated and those responsible will be held accountable for their actions."

In the video, one of the urinating men can be heard saying, "Have a great day, buddy."

Another guy jokes about the situation ... saying, "Golden like a show


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[BITEYOASS]

Who the fuck recruited these shitbirds? :drillsergeant:

[Jagermeister]

Who the fuck recruited these shitbirds? :drillsergeant:

Well I am sure if I was in that mess I would feel like pissing on um to. Not saying it's right but I can kinda understand.

[Nitro Express]

It's called war. When you are in the thick of it all you care about is survival and when someone is trying to kill you and kills and maybe tortures your buddies, well you want some payback. Simple as that. The guys in the thick of it with their lives on the line aren't thinking about geopolitics. I'm sure dead Japanese and Germans got pissed on as well.

If the politicians don't like it maybe they should think more before starting these wars. It's easy to judge someone sitting safe and comfortable back home.

War always brings out the worst of people. Rape, abuse, torture, theft, killing all those things roll in when you start a war. There are very few winners from it unless of course you supply the troops.

The reason these dumb wars drag on for so long is most people don't feel the pain from them. When everyone is dragged into it and feels the pain then they want them over damn quick.

[BITEYOASS]

It's called war. When you are in the thick of it all you care about is survival and when someone is trying to kill you and kills and maybe tortures your buddies, well you want some payback. Simple as that. The guys in the thick of it with their lives on the line aren't thinking about geopolitics. I'm sure dead Japanese and Germans got pissed on as well.

If the politicians don't like it maybe they should think more before starting these wars. It's easy to judge someone sitting safe and comfortable back home.

War always brings out the worst of people. Rape, abuse, torture, theft, killing all those things roll in when you start a war. There are very few winners from it unless of course you supply the troops.

I'm talking about those Marines using a fuckin' video camera. Don't really give a shit about the pissing part. Especially if one of them gets captured and then all of a sudden the Taliban or whatever uses it for their own advantage.

[Jagermeister]

Yeah really. Just like a celbrity it's not a good idea to take pictures or video of something you don't want leaked on the internet. Bad idea.

[BITEYOASS]

If your not a combat correspondent, you shouldn't bring a camera with you to the frontline. That's all I'm saying.

[Va Beach VH Fan]

Ideally, they all should get punished via Article 15 (USMC equivalent of Captain's Mast) and then move on, but I have a feeling it might go to Court Martial (which has much more severe punishment) because of the high visibility....

[ELVIS]

we have not yet verified the origin or authenticity of this video


:elvis:

[Jagermeister]

Fuck I can't help myslef.


:monekyl:Taliban:monekyr:


Muslim organizations across the United States tell TMZ they are outraged by the disturbing footage which appears to show Marines urinating on the bodies of dead Taliban fighters.

"We are appalled by the video" ... a rep for the Muslim Public Affair Council tells us ... adding, "We ask Secretary of Defense Leon Penetta to reprimand these soldiers. These soldiers don’t stand for what our nation and our army and armed forces fight for on daily basis."

The Washington-based Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) had a similar opinion -- saying, "We condemn this apparent desecration of the dead as a violation of our nation’s military regulations and of international laws of war prohibiting such disgusting and immoral actions."

CAIR adds, "If verified as authentic, the video shows behavior that is totally unbecoming of American military personnel and that could ultimately endanger other soldiers and civilians."

TMZ broke the story ... the U.S. Marine Corp is conducting an investigation into the footage to find out when the video was shot, where it was shot and if the men are indeed U.S. Marines.

[Va Beach VH Fan]

It's "Corps"...

[Jagermeister]

Washington (CNN) -- Officials in the United States and Afghanistan expressed shock and outrage Thursday regarding a video purporting to show a U.S. Marine sniper team urinating on dead bodies, possibly in Afghanistan.

"I have seen the footage, and I find the behavior depicted in it utterly deplorable," Defense Secretary Leon Panetta said in a statement. "I condemn it in the strongest possible terms."

Panetta said he has ordered the Marine Corps and International Security Assistance Force Commander Gen. John Allen "to immediately and fully investigate the incident."

"This conduct is entirely inappropriate for members of the United States military and does not reflect the standards of values our armed forces are sworn to uphold," the statement said. "Those found to have engaged in such conduct will be held accountable to the fullest extent."



Purported Marine video under fire A senior Pentagon official said Panetta was "deeply troubled" after viewing the video.

Earlier, NATO-led forces in Afghanistan denounced the video, saying the actions appear to be the work of "a small group of U.S. individuals" who are no longer in the country.

The statement appears to indicate that military officials believe the video is real, even though the Marine Corps says it is still working to verify its origin and authenticity.

"A video recently posted on a public website appears to show U.S. military personnel committing an inappropriate act with enemy corpses. This disrespectful act is inexplicable and not in keeping with the high moral standards we expect of coalition forces," the International Security Assistance Force in Afghanistan said in a statement.

"ISAF strongly condemns the actions depicted in the video, which appear to have been conducted by a small group of U.S. individuals, who apparently are no longer serving in Afghanistan."

A senior U.S. military official said the Naval Criminal Investigative Service is the lead investigative agency on the incident. A Marine Corps investigation was also announced Wednesday.

"We are aware of the video. The hate in it does not represent the U.S. Marine Corps," said Col. Ricco Player, a spokesman for the Marines in Afghanistan's volatile Helmand province. "An investigation has been initiated."

The story broke Wednesday when a number of websites, including TMZ and YouTube, posted a video showing four men dressed in Marine combat gear urinating on what appeared to be the dead bodies of three men on the ground in front of them.

One of the men says, "Have a great day, buddy." A voice asks, "You got it on the video?" to which another voice responds, "Yeah." Another jokes, "Golden, like a shower."

It was not clear who shot or posted the 39-second video, who the people pictured in it were or where it was shot, though a U.S. official said it was a "reasonable conclusion" it was filmed in Afghanistan.

The official, based in Afghanistan, spoke on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the issue.

Afghan President Hamid Karzai called on the U.S. government to investigate the video and hand down the harshest punishment possible.

"The government of Afghanistan is deeply disturbed by a video that shows American soldiers desecrating dead bodies of three Afghans," according to a statement released by the presidential palace on behalf of Karzai.

"This act by American soldiers is simply inhuman and condemnable in the strongest possible terms."

A Taliban spokesman called the video "barbaric."

"And no religion that follows a holy text would accept such conduct. This inhuman act reveals their real face to the world," Taliban spokesman Qari Yousuf Ahmadi said via text message Thursday.

The U.S. Embassy in Kabul said in a statement Thursday it "strongly condemns" the actions in the video.

"Such actions are reprehensible, dishonor the sacrifices of our military and the American people and violate the core values of both our societies," the embassy said.

"Islam gives values and respect to every human being," regardless of which religion the individual follows, said Islamic scholar Mawlawi Enayatullah Baligh. "The value and respect is the same for an alive person and a dead body. Even the body of your enemy in the battleground is respectable in Islam."

The video surfaces at a critical time for relations between the United States, the Afghan government and the Taliban.

Earlier this year, the United States outlined its plan to withdraw its troops from Afghanistan, beginning by pulling out 33,000 "surge" troops who had been deployed to help quell the violence by the end of 2012. The remaining 68,000 troops would be withdrawn by the end of 2014.

Meanwhile, the Taliban tentatively agreed in recent weeks to open an office in Qatar's capital city of Doha, a decision widely seen as an overture aimed at establishing an outside forum for political talks with NATO-led forces and the current Afghan administration, among others.

A senior Marine Corps official who has examined the video said Wednesday that the Marines are carrying 30-caliber sniper rifles and wearing helmets issued to members of Marine sniper teams. The helmets are designed with a shorter front and sides so that snipers can place rifles and scopes near their faces.

The official added that the desecration of a body by U.S. troops could be considered a potential war crime.

"We recently became aware of an inappropriate video on a public website that appears to involve members of our military," International Security Assistance Force spokesman Col. Gary Kolb said from Kabul. "We will not speculate on the details but will take all necessary actions to determine the facts."

He said an investigation was under way but would not comment on the video's authenticity. The faces of the bodies are not identifiable.

"While we have not yet verified the origin or authenticity of this video, the actions portrayed are not consistent with our core values and are not indicative of the character of the Marines in our Corps," said Marine Corps Media Officer Kendra Hardesty.

"This matter will be fully investigated and those responsible will be held accountable for their actions."

Hardesty said the Corps was working to identify the Marines in the video.

"Regardless of the circumstances or who is in the video, this is egregious, disgusting behavior," said Department of Defense spokesman Capt. John Kirby. "It's hideous. It turned my stomach."

In a statement released Wednesday, the Washington-based Council on American-Islamic Relations condemned the video.

"If verified as authentic, the video shows behavior that is totally unbecoming of American military personnel and that could ultimately endanger other soldiers and civilians," wrote CAIR National Executive Director Nihad Awad in a letter to Defense Secretary Leon Panetta.

"Any guilty parties must be punished to the full extent allowed by the Uniform Code of Military Justice and by relevant American laws."

[Roth & Roll]

Fuck I can't help myslef.


:monekyl:Taliban:monekyr:



Muslim organizations across the United States tell TMZ they are outraged by the disturbing footage which appears to show Marines urinating on the bodies of dead Taliban fighters.

"We are appalled by the video" ... a rep for the Muslim Public Affair Council tells us ... adding, "We ask Secretary of Defense Leon Penetta to reprimand these soldiers. These soldiers don’t stand for what our nation and our army and armed forces fight for on daily basis."

The Washington-based Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) had a similar opinion -- saying, "We condemn this apparent desecration of the dead as a violation of our nation’s military regulations and of international laws of war prohibiting such disgusting and immoral actions."

CAIR adds, "If verified as authentic, the video shows behavior that is totally unbecoming of American military personnel and that could ultimately endanger other soldiers and civilians."

TMZ broke the story ... the U.S. Marine Corp is conducting an investigation into the footage to find out when the video was shot, where it was shot and if the men are indeed U.S. Marines.

How dare they piss on friends of the Bush family?

When will people learn? The enemy isn't overseas - more often than not, it's right in our own backyard...

[Nitro Express]

How dare they piss on friends of the Bush family?

When will people learn? The enemy isn't overseas - more often than not, it's right in our own backyard...



I think we should load up a fleet of these with piss and dump it on the Bush family and their friends.

[Matt White]

Sad......but not unexpected

Young soliders doing stupid & at times horrible things?

How many US soliders did much worse during WW II?

Just magnified in this day & age........drop the hammer on 'em and move on.....fucking retards.....

[chefcraig]

Muslim organizations across the United States tell TMZ they are outraged by the disturbing footage which appears to show Marines urinating on the bodies of dead Taliban fighters.

"We are appalled by the video" ... a rep for the Muslim Public Affair Council tells us ..."

I rarely speak in this forum all that much these days, yet I'd like to offer the following:

Coincidentally, as a citizen of the United States, I am equally appalled by the events that occurred on September 11, 2001. Eat a sand turd and choke, motherfuckers.

[Nitro Express]

I'm talking about those Marines using a fuckin' video camera. Don't really give a shit about the pissing part. Especially if one of them gets captured and then all of a sudden the Taliban or whatever uses it for their own advantage.

Yup. I got a photo book on Guadalcanal and dudes were driving jeeps decorated with decapitated Japanese heads and all sorts of colorful things going on. I don't think any of that ended up in Life Magazine at the time. A person put into those situations will get over killing another person soon enough and as the misery continues and the enemy makes your life more miserable, well human beings just tend to do stuff that the people back at home in Mayberry or Mr. Roger's Neighborhood think is appauling. Best not to show it.

[Nitro Express]

Middle East = Father Abraham's cluster fuck junction. :biggrin:



Just another war in a place that has had them for thousands of years.

[Roth & Roll]

I rarely speak in this forum all that much these days, yet I'd like to offer the following:

Coincidentally, as a citizen of the United States, I am equally appalled by the events that occurred on September 11, 2001. Eat a sand turd and choke, motherfuckers.

9-11-2001 will live in infamy as the darkest day in American history. Innocent lives were lost and thousands of families were shattered by an act so cowardly that it has permanently changed our collective way of thinking.

That being said, we cannot paint an entire race or religion with the same brush - the same way we don't wish foreigners to stereotype us as arrogant, aggressive war mongers who want to fleece the world of its natural resources by any means necessary.

It's real easy to direct our hatred overseas, but I will go to my grave believing that our government played as big a role in 9-11 as anyone. The evidence is overwhelming, and it's there for anyone who wants to see it.

9-11 was the catalyst which allowed the U.S. government to rob its citizens of their privacy with Draconian legislation, and ensure big brother can keep a closer on our every move, while simultaneously generating untold fortunes for the very same people who led us into war. The bin-Laden and Bush families made billions on oil they pilfered from the middle east, while Don Cheney also profited through his links to Halliburton.

Who lost? The American people - good people who blindly believed in their leaders and suffered the ultimate betrayal...

[Nitro Express]

Actually the Civil War was far worse than 9-11. That still was the worst time in US History. The carnage and suffering was far greater.

I had a muslim neighbor who I became good friends with. One day I asked him to explain islam to me because I really didn't know much about it. He just sighed and said it was as screwed up as Christianity is. He said there are muslims who fight other muslims over religion and there even was one group of muslims that worshipped Mohamed's brother instead of Mohamed. LOL! Basically same shit different names. I thought it was a pretty good explanation. You have three major religions dumped into an area and they don't even get along with each other. It's total madness. As he said, there's nothing in the middle east worth killing our kids over.

One guy cracked me up when he said what the world really needs is a fake armeggedon so all the religious assholes think prophecy has been fulfilled so we can get that mind trip out of the way and get on with modern life. LOL!

[Roth & Roll]

Actually the Civil War was far worse than 9-11. That still was the worst time in US History. The carnage and suffering was far greater.

No single day during the Civil War impacted this country greater than 9-11.

I agree that the carnage and suffering during the Civil War was greater, but it took 4 years of war. 9-11 was a single-day event.

[BITEYOASS]

Washington (CNN) -- Officials in the United States and Afghanistan expressed shock and outrage Thursday regarding a video purporting to show a U.S. Marine sniper team urinating on dead bodies, possibly in Afghanistan.

Snipers? I doubt that. Especially since you've gotta be the top dog in your unit in order to be one. Plus, your identity has to be hidden. Looks like just a squad of grunts with a NCO in charge.

[chefcraig]

9-11-2001 will live in infamy as the darkest day in American history. Innocent lives were lost and thousands of families were shattered by an act so cowardly that it has permanently changed our collective way of thinking.

That being said, we cannot paint an entire race or religion with the same brush - the same way we don't wish foreigners to stereotype us as arrogant, aggressive war mongers who want to fleece the world of its natural resources by any means necessary.

It's real easy to direct our hatred overseas, but I will go to my grave believing that our government played as big a role in 9-11 as anyone. The evidence is overwhelming, and it's there for anyone who wants to see it.

9-11 was the catalyst which allowed the U.S. government to rob its citizens of their privacy with Draconian legislation, and ensure big brother can keep a closer on our every move, while simultaneously generating untold fortunes for the very same people who led us into war. The bin-Laden and Bush families made billions on oil they pilfered from the middle east, while Don Cheney also profited through his links to Halliburton.

Who lost? The American people - good people who blindly believed in their leaders and suffered the ultimate betrayal...

Look, I hear you. In rebuttle, I'd like to offer a few items.

Reread the heading of this particular forum:


The ongoing discussion on the War Against Terrorism. The soldiers of the DLR Army strike back. In honor of the victims of September 11, 2001. We will never forget.

Keeping that in mind, I'll say that my own murky resolve regarding political theater and war lay somewhere between the following points...

"Those who have had a chance for four years and could not produce peace should not be given another chance." - Richard M. Nixon, October 9, 1968

"No bastard ever won a war by dying for his country. He won it by making the other poor dumb bastard die for his country." - Attributed to General George Patton Jr

No kidding, the innocent shall suffer. I lost my brother due to his participation in the festivities of Viet Nam, so the entire issue of armed conflict has left me bitterly confused and completely disillusioned. Hell, my mom used to relate the horror of living in England as a child when Hitler's Luftwaffe wantonly dropped bombs all over her neighborhood. Yes, I feel compassion for those that have suffered. Yet by the same token, I won't shed a single tear for the bastards dying that drew first blood, nor will I give a crap about how their relatives feel about it.

(No, I won't get into the whole Gulf of Tonkin incident and who started the Vietnamese conflict. There are only so many hours in a working day, and only such a limit to my conscience.)

[clarathecarrot]

Well shit that would definitely ruin the flavor of sharing the raw heart and washing it down with a few flagons of mead.

I don't truly believe in desecrating a corpse.

Disrespectfull, but not a war crime.

Bust them all to private and move the fuck on.

[sadaist]

Saw this video last night. To me it reminds of Terrell Owens stupid end-zone celebration. Act like you've been there before. Totally classless & unprofessional. Our Marines should be more like Barry Sanders...punch it in, hand the ball off to the ref, and get right back to business.

[RUDE SADDLE]

Yo fuck that shit man, how many fucking times have they beheaded our men an women?. If that was me I'd take a shit right in their mouth!

[LoungeMachine]

We're supposed to be above this kind of shit.....

We're supposed to be good ones. Let the enemy be the savage.

:gulp:

All these guys did was manage to recruit a few more for the cause, and to bolster the stereotype they have of us.

So much for the High Road.

[LoungeMachine]

Yo fuck that shit man, how many fucking times have they beheaded our men an women?. If that was me I'd take a shit right in their mouth!

Sign up then.

Make sure to send us pics, tough guy.

[Angel]

Gee, let's train people to think that the enemy are less than human to alleviate any possible feelings of guilt caused by taking a human life....and then whine when soldiers behave in a manner that demonstrates they believe their enemies are less than human.

[Roth & Roll]

Look, I hear you. In rebuttle, I'd like to offer a few items.

Reread the heading of this particular forum:



Keeping that in mind, I'll say that my own murky resolve regarding political theater and war lay somewhere between the following points...

"Those who have had a chance for four years and could not produce peace should not be given another chance." - Richard M. Nixon, October 9, 1968

"No bastard ever won a war by dying for his country. He won it by making the other poor dumb bastard die for his country." - Attributed to General George Patton Jr

No kidding, the innocent shall suffer. I lost my brother due to his participation in the festivities of Viet Nam, so the entire issue of armed conflict has left me bitterly confused and completely disillusioned. Hell, my mom used to relate the horror of living in England as a child when Hitler's Luftwaffe wantonly dropped bombs all over her neighborhood. Yes, I feel compassion for those that have suffered. Yet by the same token, I won't shed a single tear for the bastards dying that drew first blood, nor will I give a crap about how their relatives feel about it.

(No, I won't get into the whole Gulf of Tonkin incident and who started the Vietnamese conflict. There are only so many hours in a working day, and only such a limit to my conscience.)

Hey chef,

I'll start by saying that I'm sorry that your brother paid the ultimate price for his involvement in Vietnam, but Nixon's quote is ironic considering that he actually escalated America's involvement in that senseless war. What exactly was Nixon's contribution to peace during that time?

No parent should ever have to bury a son or daughter, and my heart goes out to any parent who has been in that situation. I can't imagine the pain and suffering your parents experienced. That sonofabitch Nixon (and LBJ before him) robbed America a slice of its future by sacrificing so many innocent American lives in a war America should never have involved itself in the first place.

War is justified when our freedom and our lives are at peril. The last time America fought a war under those conditions was WWII. Stories like those shared by your mother are commonplace for anyone whose family lived in Europe between 1938-1945. My father tells similar stories from his childhood about the Nazis while growing up in Greece - how the Nazis ransacked people's homes in the middle of the night, rounded up all the men, lined them up in the town squares, and executed them on the spot. My father also fondly tells stories of how America saved them from starvation - Red Cross and the US Army providing powdered milk and whatever they could to widows with starving children. I very possibly wouldn't be here today if not for America during WWII. To hear my father tell the story, his family would have starved to death otherwise.

Unfortunately, every war since WWII was not a war fought to maintain our lives or our freedom, but to make money for those who led us into those wars in the first place. As much as we loathe the Taliban and their involvement in 9-11, we also need to remember that they were funded and armed by our very own government, just like Saddam Hussein was before them.

We expect our leaders to look out for our best interests and protect us. Unfortunately, that dream died on November 22, 1963 and we've become sacrificial lambs led to slaughter ever since. The sooner we can wake up to this reality, the better off we'll be.

[Nickdfresh]

Well I am sure if I was in that mess I would feel like pissing on um to. Not saying it's right but I can kinda understand.

They may have recruited thirty more Taliban (or other assorted terrorists) to kill other U.S. service-personnel. How do you feel about that?

[Nickdfresh]

...

"Those who have had a chance for four years and could not produce peace should not be given another chance." - Richard M. Nixon, October 9, 1968

---

You do realize that the record shows that Nixon was still sending U.S. troops to die while knowing full well they were to be withdrawn eventually. And that furthermore, that the shitty, corrupt ARVN gov't was so full of complete incompetents and pussies, that'd they'd never last more than a few years after "Vietnamization"..

[gbranton]

"Islam gives values and respect to every human being," regardless of which religion the individual follows, said Islamic scholar Mawlawi Enayatullah Baligh.

Sure it does. Over the past couple of decades I have witnessed much "values and respect" from muslims (not captialised on purpose). All the rapes, beheadings, stonings, bombings, beatings, public whippings, imprisonment, torture, treating women like livestock and other cowardly acts I've witnessed in the name of islam have really won me over and now I'm a big fan of muslims. On 9/11/01 I watched fellow Americans make the choice to either burn to death or jump and be crushed on the sidewalk and found that to be far more offensive than this video. As a matter of fact thinking back on that day and remembering the so called "moderate" muslims' silence, coupled with the celebrations in the streets in countries around the world after it 9/11 happened, I think I downright enjoyed that video. Thanks for posting!

[Nickdfresh]

The biggest victims of Islamic extremist violence are other Muslims, BY FUCKING FAR!!!!...so spare "let's kill 'em all for 9/11" horseshit when we're the ones that unleashed "al Qaida" on Iraq...

[chefcraig]

You do realize that the record shows that Nixon was still sending U.S. troops to die while knowing full well they were to be withdrawn eventually. And that furthermore, that the shitty, corrupt ARVN gov't was so full of complete incompetents and pussies, that'd they'd never last more than a few years after "Vietnamization"..

Nick, notice the date the statement was made. I used that quote to underlie my own pessimistic feelings about war and politics. I was well aware of the absurdity of Nixon making such a statement, particularly as it was made during his own campaign run for his first term as President.

[gbranton]

The biggest victims of Islamic extremist violence are other Muslims, BY FUCKING FAR!!!!...so spare "let's kill 'em all for 9/11" horseshit when we're the ones that unleashed "al Qaida" on Iraq...

I'm not gung ho to kill them all, I don't even think we ought to be over there. That shit does more harm than good over the long run. My point is that I have no respect for them and don't give two shits whether or not they are offended. They act like fucking animals most of the time and want us to apologise whenever we've offended them. Fuck 'em.

[clarathecarrot]

Dear the guys who always say the wrong things with so much authority,

These people don't need excuses or -free recruitment-, they have secret knowlege directly from god thru the leaders who opress them into actions, against everyone except themselves.

Your continual blaming of the people who stand up against these terrorist is just unreal.

I dead combatant should never be desecrated his trials are OVER!

View my other post for any other statements on this.

[sadaist]

1 dead combatant should never be desecrated his trials are OVER!
.



I could not agree with you more for that statement. Wholeheartedly.

[Jagermeister]

Update

http://www.cnn.com/2012/01/13/us/video-marines-urinating/index.html?hpt=hp_t3

Washington (CNN) -- Military officials have interviewed two of four Marines in a video which shows them urinating on dead bodies sprawled out on the ground, a Marine Corps official told CNN Friday.

The Marines were not detained after the interview, the official said.

The names are not being made public, said the official, who did not want to be identified because the investigation is ongoing.

The identities were determined as officials in the United States and Afghanistan expressed shock and outrage regarding the video, which was posted Wednesday on a number of websites.



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Afghanistan condemns 'urinating' video "I have seen the footage, and I find the behavior depicted in it utterly deplorable," U.S. Defense Secretary Leon Panetta said in a statement. "I condemn it in the strongest possible terms."

Panetta said he has ordered the Marine Corps and International Security Assistance Force Commander Gen. John Allen "to immediately and fully investigate the incident."

"This conduct is entirely inappropriate for members of the United States military and does not reflect the standards of values our armed forces are sworn to uphold," Panetta's statement said. "Those found to have engaged in such conduct will be held accountable to the fullest extent."

A senior Pentagon official said Panetta was "deeply troubled" after viewing the video.

Marine Corps Commandant Gen. James Amos said in a statement the behavior is "wholly inconsistent with the high standards of conduct and warrior ethos that we have demonstrated throughout our history."

Lt. Gen. Adrian Bradshaw, deputy commander of ISAF, called the actions on the video "disgusting."

"Any acts which treat the dead, enemy or friendly, with disrespect are utterly unacceptable and do not represent the standards we expect of coalition forces," Bradshaw said in a video statement. He said he was speaking on behalf of Allen, who is out of the country.

"It is difficult to say what long-term impacts this might have, and I would hesitate to get into speculation, but obviously any sort of footage, any sort of activity of this kind that is grossly against all the moral values that the coalition forces are standing for are very much working against our cause and against everything that we are standing for and that we are here for," said Brig. Gen. Carsten Jacobson, a NATO ISAF spokesman. "We will find the ones who are responsible and hold them accountable."

A senior U.S. military official said the Naval Criminal Investigative Service is the lead investigative agency on the incident. A Marine Corps investigation was announced Wednesday.

While the identities of the people on the video haven't been released, the leadership of the 3rd Battalion 2nd Marine Regiment "is confident those are their Marines" on the video, according to a U.S. Marine official with direct knowledge of the initial investigation.

The unit, which is based at Camp Lejeune, North Carolina, deployed last February or March and returned in September or October. While in Afghanistan, the unit was based primarily in Helmand province.



Marks: 'Urinating' Marines 'not elite'

Marines in photo may be sniper team

Purported Marine video under fire

Marines allegedly urinating on bodies The video shows four men dressed in Marine combat gear urinating on what appeared to be the dead bodies of three men on the ground in front of them.

One of the men says, "Have a great day, buddy." A voice asks, "You got it on the video?" to which another voice responds, "Yeah." Another jokes, "Golden, like a shower."

It was not clear who shot or posted the 39-second video or where, though a U.S. official said it was a "reasonable conclusion" it was filmed in Afghanistan.

The official, based in Afghanistan, spoke on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the issue.

A senior Marine Corps official who has examined the video said Wednesday that the Marines are carrying 30-caliber sniper rifles and wearing helmets issued to members of Marine sniper teams. The helmets are designed with a shorter front and sides so that snipers can place rifles and scopes near their faces.

The official added that the desecration of a body by U.S. troops could be considered a potential war crime.

President Barack Obama knows about the video, said White House spokesman Jay Carney, who said he didn't know if Obama had viewed it. "What it apparently depicts is deplorable, reprehensible and unacceptable," Carney said, adding the president agrees with Panetta's statement.

Amos said he has pulled together a team "to thoroughly investigate every aspect of the filmed event." He said he will also assign a Marine general officer and a senior attorney, both with combat experience, to conduct an internal preliminary inquiry into the matter.

"Once the investigation and preliminary inquiry are complete and the facts have been determined, then the Marine Corps will take the appropriate next steps," Amos said. "We remain fully committed to upholding the Geneva Convention, the laws of war and our own core values."

Afghan President Hamid Karzai called on the U.S. government to investigate the video and hand down the harshest punishment possible.

"The government of Afghanistan is deeply disturbed by a video that shows American soldiers desecrating dead bodies of three Afghans," according to a statement released by the presidential palace on behalf of Karzai.

"This act by American soldiers is simply inhuman and condemnable in the strongest possible terms."

A Taliban spokesman called the video "barbaric."

"And no religion that follows a holy text would accept such conduct. This inhuman act reveals their real face to the world," Taliban spokesman Qari Yousuf Ahmadi said via text message Thursday.

The video surfaces at a critical time for relations among the United States, the Afghan government and the Taliban.

Last year, the United States outlined its plan to withdraw its troops from Afghanistan, beginning by pulling out 33,000 "surge" troops who had been deployed to help quell the violence by the end of 2012. The remaining 68,000 troops would be withdrawn by the end of 2014.

Meanwhile, the Taliban tentatively agreed in recent weeks to open an office in Qatar's capital city of Doha, a decision widely seen as an overture aimed at establishing an outside forum for political talks with NATO-led forces and the current Afghan administration, among others.

[ODShowtime]

Coincidentally, as a citizen of the United States, I am equally appalled by the events that occurred on September 11, 2001. Eat a sand turd and choke, motherfuckers.

Yep. Pretty much. Fuck 'em.

However it was foolish to record this event.

[Seshmeister]

I would be a fuck of a lot more unhappy about being killed than the pissing on my body thing. Some people fucking pay good money to be pissed on.

I couldn't give a shit what you do to my body after you've killed me. In fact it's kind of insulting in a way if you start treating my body with reverence after you've brutally killed me.

That's basically saying you like my body now that I'm not in it.

[Nitro Express]

I would be a fuck of a lot more unhappy about being killed than the pissing on my body thing. Some people fucking pay good money to be pissed on.

I couldn't give a shit what you do to my body after you've killed me. In fact it's kind of insulting in a way if you start treating my body with reverence after you've brutally killed me.

That's basically saying you like my body now that I'm not in it.

I used to work at a funeral home. If people only knew what is done to their loved ones bodies in the embalming room to pickle them so they look halfway decent on display. Getting pissed on is far better than what is done with embalming equipment and a cocktail of chemicals.

[ashstralia]

I used to work at a funeral home. If people only knew what is done to their loved ones bodies in the embalming room to pickle them so they look halfway decent on display. Getting pissed on is far better than what is done with embalming equipment and a cocktail of chemicals.

yep great point nitro. in oz, we call them 'corpseatoriums' and being pissed on is at no extra charge.

but seriously, i've been an ogrish member for a lot of years, and i'm unsurprisable.

[BITEYOASS]

I used to work at a funeral home. If people only knew what is done to their loved ones bodies in the embalming room to pickle them so they look halfway decent on display. Getting pissed on is far better than what is done with embalming equipment and a cocktail of chemicals.

Now I would rather have a Viking funeral instead of that shit.

[WACF]

I'd have to walk in thier shoes before I pass judgement.

Honestly though...taking a picture or videoing is just plain stupid.

[chefcraig]

Honestly though...taking a picture or videoing is just plain stupid.

This is repeatedly proven every time some nitwit decides to videotape an intimate moment with a partner...then acts astounded, shocked and surprised when it "accidentally" shows up on the internet. Rob Lowe, Tonya Harding, Paris Hilton, Pamela Anderson, that chick drummer from the White Stripes, I'm looking at you.

[Roth & Roll]

I would be a fuck of a lot more unhappy about being killed than the pissing on my body thing. Some people fucking pay good money to be pissed on.

I couldn't give a shit what you do to my body after you've killed me. In fact it's kind of insulting in a way if you start treating my body with reverence after you've brutally killed me.

That's basically saying you like my body now that I'm not in it.

Valid point, but obviously you won't know because....well, you're dead.

At that point it's more a matter of how it fans the flames of the survivors - whether that be family, friends, or in this case, other members of the Taliban who will demand that additional American blood be spilled as an act of revenge.

It's this kind of thing that cost Nick Berg his life - is it worth it?

[Seshmeister]

No I realise that is the way people think and it will cause outrage and help the recruitment of Islamists but it is a bit silly to a rational thinker.

There are dozens of drone attacks by the US all the time which blow up innocent bystanders not really too dissimilar to terrorist bombings if you think about it and people seem to be more upset about some basically sterile fluid landing on people who are dead so unaffected by it.

[BITEYOASS]

The Taliban probably shunned the guy who got pissed on. Mostly because he didn't bother to detonate his bomb belt.

[WACF]

Wish the public was as outraged about the way the Taliban treat women and girls.

Just saying...the media picks the easy fights...

[Nitro Express]

No single day during the Civil War impacted this country greater than 9-11.

I agree that the carnage and suffering during the Civil War was greater, but it took 4 years of war. 9-11 was a single-day event.

I think you should read up on the Battle of Gettysburg and the losses in one day. Some of the issues of the Civil War are still with us.

I would say 9/11 had the biggest impact in our lifetimes but I still think it pales in comparison to the Vietnam War and World War II.

What the problem in this country is people are just too passive and lazy now. So that enables the corporations and politicians to do whatever they damn well please. 9/11 just gave them the excuse to feed the big war industry when intelligence gathering and special ops would have done the job over a period of years.

[Nitro Express]

No I realise that is the way people think and it will cause outrage and help the recruitment of Islamists but it is a bit silly to a rational thinker.

There are dozens of drone attacks by the US all the time which blow up innocent bystanders not really too dissimilar to terrorist bombings if you think about it and people seem to be more upset about some basically sterile fluid landing on people who are dead so unaffected by it.

Drones mostly operated by the CIA which has become so powerful it's basically our fourth branch of government. War is suppossed to require an act of congress. For some reason presidents start them and just don't call them wars. Now the president doesn't even have to publicly say anything because the CIA will bomb your ass. Now it's gone beyond the Pentagon. So it looks like the US Federal Government is separate governments now and the whole thing is out of control. Now it's not controlled by the American people but multinational corporate interests. In effect, countries really don't exist in the world of money but their assets are used for a greater financial purpose. But hey, as long as you get benefits to sign up for the military and they use the national guard for overseas games and you have all these military contractors like Blackwater and Halliburton, you don't need a draft anymore.

If you are young and want to blow people's heads off for fun, no better time to live than now. Just a hint. Don't bother to sign up for the military, join a contracting firm. The pay and perks are way better. Just ask anyone who has served in Afghanistan or Iraq. We truly live in the age of the mercenary.

[gbranton]

Wish the public was as outraged about the way the Taliban treat women and girls.

Just saying...the media picks the easy fights...

Best post of the thread!

[ZahZoo]

9-11 was the catalyst which allowed the U.S. government to rob its citizens of their privacy with Draconian legislation, and ensure big brother can keep a closer on our every move, while simultaneously generating untold fortunes for the very same people who led us into war. The bin-Laden and Bush families made billions on oil they pilfered from the middle east, while Don Cheney also profited through his links to Halliburton.

How exactly did a friend of the Zodiac killer profit from Haliliburton..?

On topic... bad move to video then post the incident. A lot of terrible things happen on the battle field... can't say a whole lot of it is honorable or even respectful. It's war...

I do see a great irony from our leadership that killing is honorable... but pissing on em postmortem is so disrespectful..?

[BITEYOASS]

Wish the public was as outraged about the way the Taliban treat women and girls.

Just saying...the media picks the easy fights...

The top priority of the media right now is the royal wedding. Even though that super bowl for gay men had ended weeks ago.