MA on songwriting credits

[Luke D]

Didn't see this posted so...

http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=168971

MICHAEL ANTHONY Has No Plans To Go After VAN HALEN For Songwriting Credit On Reworked Old Songs - Jan. 30, 2012

Former VAN HALEN bassist Michael Anthony says he's looking forward to hearing the band's new album because it includes material that he recorded with the group before they got signed in the 1970s.

Speaking to the U.K. digital radio station Planet Rock, Anthony said, "They [the current lineup of VAN HALEN] played a show in New York the other week. There was [a] song they played called 'She's The Woman', which is actually a song that was, basically, written before I even joined VAN HALEN."

During the same interview, Anthony said he has no plans to go after his former bandmates for songwriting credit on the reworked compositions on the new VAN HALEN album, "A Different Kind of Truth", despite their former policy of crediting all members equally. "I don't want to do anything," he said. "I just let it be." He added, "And, hey, it'll be nice to hear some of those old songs again that I haven't played in a long time."
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It's nice to hear Mike sounding positive about the new record, and not acting like a douche like Sam. Class act Mike!

[DavidLeeNatra]

he never wrote shit and lived from what Dave, Ed and God forgive me Sam wrote...so what should he go after?

[DavidLeeNatra]

...and yes...he has way more class than sam...

[sadaist]

...and yes...he has way more class than sam...


I think everyone can agree with that.

[John Jacob]

he never wrote shit and lived from what Dave, Ed and God forgive me Sam wrote...so what should he go after?

probably the smartest thing you ever posted which is not really saying much at all

[DavidLeeNatra]

I think everyone can agree with that.

not that difficult...my last pile of shit this mornig has more class than sam...

[DavidLeeNatra]

probably the smartest thing you ever posted which is not really saying much at all

we got a place for you here...ask Rikk...he'll show you the way... :sheepshagger:

[INeedYou]

The stuff I've heard sounds re-worked, some moreso than others. How much do changes to songs constitute a new song? Any publishing royalty experts in the house? Seems like riffs or chord progressions that remain the same, while the rest of the song is fresh, would mean tons of songwriting plaigarism all the time... Props to MA for being realistic and honest about shit written prior to his arrival in the band. Maybe he's even being supportive of VH, God knows it'll take at least an extra helping of that to cover the Hate-gar noise!

[Matt White]

http://www1.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Michael+Anthony+2011+NAMM+Show+Day+2+aa9e95VyAIbl. jpg

The ONLY thing 'ol Hot-sauce wrote in his time in VAN HALEN was his name on the checks he was cashin'!


Not a bad gig for all those years........

[smorgdonkey]

The ONLY thing 'ol Hot-sauce wrote in his time in VAN HALEN was his name on the checks he was cashin'!


Not a bad gig for all those years........
They could have had someone else play for them back in the day but they went after Mike. A lot of people are pretty rough on the guy who didn't do anything wrong. I'm pretty sure that if he was 'just a freeloader' all of that time, Ed would have cut him loose a long time ago. Ed doesn't just let money fly out the window. It was Ed's ego only that got Mike pushed out. If you didn't think that Ed was near dead around 2005/2006 then you simply weren't paying attention. Just watch the NAMM vids from that era.

[Hollywood Jesus]

I've actually been wondering whether =VH= using the best demo material was precisely so it could finally be published. This would seem to make ownership more legally clear than letting these tunes wallow in purgatory.

And I do appreciated Mike's professionalism through all of this. If Dave and Ed had similar, ADKOT might have happened 20 years ago.

[Cruiser]

I agree Hollywood...Maybe I missed the article where MA slags Van Halen. He's done well to take the high road and 2 interviews have referenced him talking about being excited to hear the new album.

[ZahZoo]

There's not much for Mike to go after... if the songs were never published or released there's not a lot to wrangle over legally.

I find some of the cheap shots slamming Mike rather childish. He was a full contributing member of Van Halen for 30+ years and well respected among many of the top musicians in the rock world. To imply that the Mighty VH was a only two man operation... it just petty crap...

[Roth & Roll]

There's not much for Mike to go after... if the songs were never published or released there's not a lot to wrangle over legally.

I find some of the cheap shots slamming Mike rather childish. He was a full contributing member of Van Halen for 30+ years and well respected among many of the top musicians in the rock world. To imply that the Mighty VH was a only two man operation... it just petty crap...

Agreed - MA's harmonies were an integral part of the Classic VH signature sound. That being said, this thread is a non-story for two key reasons:


Eddie wrote all the music, while Dave wrote the lyrics for Van HALEN, and Spam-bot wrote those simulated lyrics for Van Hagar.

MA signed away all rights to songwriting credits as part of the agreement he signed back in 2004.

[Matt White]

pretty sure that if he was 'just a freeloader' all of that time, Ed would have cut him loose a long time ago.

Hey uh Pinestein.....EVH TRIED to "cut him loose" many times....wanting to replace him with Billy Sheehan as far back as FAIR WARNING.....

Okay...thanks for playing....goodbye

[smorgdonkey]

Hey uh Pinestein.....EVH TRIED to "cut him loose" many times....wanting to replace him with Billy Sheehan as far back as FAIR WARNING.....


I've heard that story many times but I don't believe it. Ed's ego couldn't stand to have flamboyant talent like Sheehan around - that's why he was always keeping the Van Halen bass lines simple...as a contrast to his guitar playing. If he TRIED, it would have been done. He didn't try, because Mike fully supported Ed all of the time and he played what Ed told him to play. Not to mention that his backing vocals were part of the VH signature sound & that he was steady as a brick wall live.

[ZahZoo]

Agreed - MA's harmonies were an integral part of the Classic VH signature sound. That being said, this thread is a non-story for two key reasons:


Eddie wrote all the music, while Dave wrote the lyrics for Van HALEN, and Spam-bot wrote those simulated lyrics for Van Hagar.

MA signed away all rights to songwriting credits as part of the agreement he signed back in 2004.


The last bullet is wrong... Mike retained all publishing/royalty rights and song writing credits. He signed away his rights to the use of the Van Halen name, logos, images and trademarks... big difference.

[Roth & Roll]

The last bullet is wrong... Mike retained all publishing/royalty rights and song writing credits. He signed away his rights to the use of the Van Halen name, logos, images and trademarks... big difference.

I was under the understanding that he signed away rights to all future songwriting royalties and credits. I understood this to mean that while he will continue to collect royalties on releases prior to 2004, he waived any rights to future releases.

Damn, where is Guitar Shark when you need him?

[smorgdonkey]

The last bullet is wrong... Mike retained all publishing/royalty rights and song writing credits. He signed away his rights to the use of the Van Halen name, logos, images and trademarks... big difference.

That's my understanding as well. He keeps what ever he had up to the signing...just has no affiliation from that point on.

I don't know why anyone holds that signing against him - he says that he thought it would be Ed's last go and I thought that same thing. The pictures of Ed around that time were whacked-out homeless druggie sort of images. It was Ed's manipulation of him then to push him out. I don't think anyone would have guessed that he was going to put Wolfgang in his place.

[Bob_R]

Damn, where is Guitar Shark when you need him?

In all likelihood, downloading porn.

[MUSICMANN]

I don't have but one big problem with MA. Instead of being loyal to VH, he chose to side with that Red Round Fat Spammy. MA was and will always be part of VH legacy and signature sound. Just a shame he took the route that was not really in his best interest. Hey, MA is a cool dude, a nice guy, but i think really gullible. He let The fat one get in his head and caused him to make some monumental friendship mistakes with Ed and AL and Dave for that matter. I think in the near future, as this new Album really starts to heat up and the fat fucker getting more and more crazy jealous, and continue to mouth off, MA will start to finally see how he was used by that prick and cost him his place in VH.

[fourthcoming]

M.A. has always been a class act.

[chi-town324]

Ed brought in his own kid...MA was gonna be out anyway

[John Jacob]

we got a place for you here...ask Rikk...he'll show you the way... :sheepshagger:

just my low opinion of you dude. fuck off

[FORD]

Yep. It's definitely Pibbles. Prepare for departure, bitch......

[Vinnie Velvet]

FACT is that MA never had a big hand into the songwriting process in VH.

I have no doubt that the beloved harmonies that Mike was known for were melodies written by Dave.

[Vinnie Velvet]

Mike and Sam sure like to talk a lot about VH dont they?

[ZahZoo]

I was under the understanding that he signed away rights to all future songwriting royalties and credits. I understood this to mean that while he will continue to collect royalties on releases prior to 2004, he waived any rights to future releases.

Damn, where is Guitar Shark when you need him?

Correct he still gets royalties and retains publishing rights for everything released up thru BOBW and all future sales from those releases.

The key thing is he can't advertise himself as Mike Anthony of or formerly of Van Halen... same as Spammy, Gary and Dave when they were all voted off/quit Howdy Doody Mountain.

[smorgdonkey]

I don't have but one big problem with MA. Instead of being loyal to VH, he chose to side with that Red Round Fat Spammy. MA was and will always be part of VH legacy and signature sound. Just a shame he took the route that was not really in his best interest. Hey, MA is a cool dude, a nice guy, but i think really gullible. He let The fat one get in his head and caused him to make some monumental friendship mistakes with Ed and AL and Dave for that matter. I think in the near future, as this new Album really starts to heat up and the fat fucker getting more and more crazy jealous, and continue to mouth off, MA will start to finally see how he was used by that prick and cost him his place in VH.

I don't see that at all. Ed was not doing anything related to music and Sam got him to go and play bass in his band. Mike never told Ed that he quit...he probably thought that Ed was done and that's also likely why he signed away his 'future rights' with Van Halen. Ed used the tour to leverage Mike into signing. If Mike didn't sign then Ed would have just fired him outright after the tour.

The thing that I don't get in all of this is the people who say "Mike made the wrong choice" when I don't see where Mike made any choice. He played bass and he was never given an either/or. It has always been the Eddie fanatics who seemed to take that stand because they don't want to put it on Eddie. It is on Eddie.

Mike was just happy to play bass often and he made hotsauce - sure as F Haggis likes to eat and hotsauce goes with everything.

[bueno bob]

IMO, I don't think anybody's going to argue that Mike not being there at this stage of the game is pretty moronic...but that's on everybody's part, Mike, Ed, Al, Sam, and Dave are all the reason for it.

Is what it is. I moved on.

[Roth & Roll]

Mike and Sam sure like to talk a lot about VH dont they?

I'll never lump Mike in the same category as Spammy. Mike is light-years ahead in every way. His only fault was aligning himself with the fat tequila salesman.

[Matt White]

just my low opinion of you dude. Fuck off

bwahahahahahahaha!!!

Hit the road ass-clown!!!

[Matt White]

I just love these kants crying & pining for "the CLASSIC back ground vocals" of Hot-sauce......

I said it to the rubes on the GUITAR WORLD FB page...I ain't NEVER bought a cd because of farking "background vocals".......stupidest thing I've ever heard

He hasn't played on a VH record since 1981.............

Hell, they barely let the guy screech on those 3 turds Spambot recorded in 2004.............

He's got his money & his fame...........

Later Bass Player.............

There's a NEW VAN HALEN on board

[MUSICMANN]

I don't see that at all. Ed was not doing anything related to music and Sam got him to go and play bass in his band. Mike never told Ed that he quit...he probably thought that Ed was done and that's also likely why he signed away his 'future rights' with Van Halen. Ed used the tour to leverage Mike into signing. If Mike didn't sign then Ed would have just fired him outright after the tour.

The thing that I don't get in all of this is the people who say "Mike made the wrong choice" when I don't see where Mike made any choice. He played bass and he was never given an either/or. It has always been the Eddie fanatics who seemed to take that stand because they don't want to put it on Eddie. It is on Eddie.

Mike was just happy to play bass often and he made hotsauce - sure as F Haggis likes to eat and hotsauce goes with everything.


Life is full of the choices we make. MA made the wrong choice by going out and playing with fuckwade Spammy, instead of just going out and doing his own thing and being supportive of what was going on with Ed and the shit he was going through. Hell, all the nasty shit that Ed and Dave said about each other all through the years, still Dave called and lent a helping hand. Of course he knew how much Ed couldn't stand spammy no more, and he thought the best thing to do was to go out and tour with the guy. MA brought this upon himself, by letting spammy sway his opinion of people he basically grew up with and worked with for way more years than he knew that fuckstick.

[bueno bob]

I just love these kants crying & pining for "the CLASSIC back ground vocals" of Hot-sauce......

I said it to the rubes on the GUITAR WORLD FB page...I ain't NEVER bought a cd because of farking "background vocals".......stupidest thing I've ever heard

He hasn't played on a VH record since 1981.............

Hell, they barely let the guy screech on those 3 turds Spambot recorded in 2004.............

He's got his money & his fame...........

Later Bass Player.............

There's a NEW VAN HALEN on board

Is this John Jacob swinging from Mike's lowers?

[bueno bob]

Oh, never mind...he's banned already.

8 whole posts.

Wow. Guess we're being Johnny On the Spot about bannings these days?

LOL

[kwame k]

Aw, man.......

At least give us till after dinner to smack 'em around a bit;)

[chi-town324]

MA's background vocals are overrated

[Jagermeister]

Aw, man.......

At least give us till after dinner to smack 'em around a bit;)

Damn did I miss another troll?

Fuck Me! Next time someone send me a PM or something so I can join in. :(

[Yount]

"And, hey, it'll be nice to hear some of those old songs again that I haven't played in a long time."

He'd leave chickenfoot in an instant to go back to VH. Just my opinion.

[smorgdonkey]

MA brought this upon himself, by letting spammy sway his opinion of people he basically grew up with and worked with for way more years than he knew that fuckstick.
That's the part that I don't get. I haven't heard Mike slag any of them except for Dave when Mike was Ed's lapdog. Who says Mike didn't call once per week? It's not like Ed was going to be friendly with him knowing that he was going to have the kid play bass anyway.

It's just stupid anyway, like Gene Simmons' kid putting on the Ace makeup and taking over on tour. I know, that hasn't happened - YET!


MA's background vocals are overrated
Try saying that 2 octaves up.

[Mr Walker]

MA's background vocals are overrated

Last Friday my 14 year old son was going through my old bootleg DVDs looking for something to watch and he took out the VH show from Largo 1982. I sat with him for a few minutes checking it out and I asked him what he thought. He said "I don't think I can watch this... the background vocals really suck!"... wasn't expecting that response but laughed at how true the statement was. I also felt the same way today when I was listening to a VH show from Pasadena 1977. Mike's voice kinda reminded me of the noise I hear when my brake pads need replacing. They are called 'background vocals' because they are supposed to sit nice in the background and add to the overall sound of the band... not trying to overpower everything else with loud hi-pitched undisciplined yelps.

[kwame k]

Damn did I miss another troll?

Fuck Me! Next time someone send me a PM or something so I can join in. :(

Is your email addy still.....I'm_a_racist_cunt112@whitepower.com ?:biggrin:

I keed;)

[Jetstream]

Mike has taken the high road, but really...he is not exactly the sharpest pencil in the box...these people often get seen as a nice through their ho hum attitude of not being involved in things beyond them (like writing lyrics and the main melodies to songs). I don't think Mike is a bad guy or a good guy, he your average dude. Here is a question worth pondering (for a very short time because I luv the new LP by Van Halen)...why didn't Mike ask Dave if he could play bass for him when Van Halen was doing nothing? Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. Case closed

[MUSICMANN]

Mike has taken the high road, but really...he is not exactly the sharpest pencil in the box...these people often get seen as a nice through their ho hum attitude of not being involved in things beyond them (like writing lyrics and the main melodies to songs). I don't think Mike is a bad guy or a good guy, he your average dude. Here is a question worth pondering (for a very short time because I luv the new LP by Van Halen)...why didn't Mike ask Dave if he could play bass for him when Van Halen was doing nothing? Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. Case closed

Hit nail on head. Why did he side with that fat fucker, and not Dave. MA, is the reason he's not in the band anymore. Who cares really, Wolf Van Freakin Halen is the bass player now.

[smorgdonkey]

Here is a question worth pondering (for a very short time because I luv the new LP by Van Halen)...why didn't Mike ask Dave if he could play bass for him when Van Halen was doing nothing? Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. Case closed
...because he was on Ed's side of that fight since 1985 and Dave wouldn't have asked him to anyway. Mike was quite supportive of the Dave bashing back in the day so there was obviously no relationship between Mike and Dave. To me, that case was never open.

[Yount]

To imply that the Mighty VH was a only two man operation... it just petty crap...

Yeah poor Alex. Fools.

[Warham]

Mike was in on the Dave bashing when he was in Van Halen.

Now that he's out of VH, he says Dave is the only reason he'd want to jam with the group again.

The guy has no core.

[AccidentalAngel]

That's the part that I don't get. I haven't heard Mike slag any of them except for Dave when Mike was Ed's lapdog. Who says Mike didn't call once per week? It's not like Ed was going to be friendly with him knowing that he was going to have the kid play bass anyway.



I don't think Ed was planning to have Wolf play base back in 2004 for two reasons.
1. The kid was what 13 years old at the time.
2. 2004 Ed didn't seem to be able to do much thinking or planning

[chi-town324]

Mike always sounded like his nuts were caught in a pair of vise grips....honestly when they were playing live i never once focuses on Mike...hes gonna be fine kids...he's a multi millionaire..with a hot sauce line!

[smorgdonkey]

I don't think Ed was planning to have Wolf play base back in 2004 for two reasons.
1. The kid was what 13 years old at the time.
2. 2004 Ed didn't seem to be able to do much thinking or planning

Well, I must concede that your take sounds damn logical but I believe that Ed wanted to move Mike to an employee role rather than a lapdog with full band member status - the signing thing pretty much spells that out. The times he was asked about Mike were ridiculous though...Ed would deflect and say things to suggest that Mike could have come back but just didn't. How does one go back when the guy running the show gets you to sign away your affiliation?


Mike always sounded like his nuts were caught in a pair of vise grips....honestly when they were playing live i never once focuses on Mike...hes gonna be fine kids...he's a multi millionaire..with a hot sauce line!
...and that is true even if you don't agree with the vise grip assessment.

[gbranton]

It's just stupid anyway, like Gene Simmons' kid putting on the Ace makeup and taking over on tour. I know, that hasn't happened - YET!

I think Nick will end up on stage with makeup on...... Gene's that is. Anybody heard him sing on the last Bruce Kulick album? He'll be singing God of Thunder, not Shock Me.

Evan Stanley will take Paul's place and KISS will play on for another 40 years.

[bueno bob]

"And, hey, it'll be nice to hear some of those old songs again that I haven't played in a long time."

He'd leave chickenfoot in an instant to go back to VH. Just my opinion.

Trust me, it's a FACT.

[bueno bob]

As far as "backing vocals" go, I always considered Mike a bit too high registered for my own personal tastes, although it DID make them unique and original.

That said, I don't buy albums for the backing vocals, so...I could give a shit less, really. Let them pump 'em in for the tour and I'll sit there smiling the whole time, doesn't bother me in the slightest.

[dave_is_vh]

I don't have but one big problem with MA. Instead of being loyal to VH, he chose to side with that Red Round Fat Spammy. MA was and will always be part of VH legacy and signature sound. Just a shame he took the route that was not really in his best interest. Hey, MA is a cool dude, a nice guy, but i think really gullible. He let The fat one get in his head and caused him to make some monumental friendship mistakes with Ed and AL and Dave for that matter. I think in the near future, as this new Album really starts to heat up and the fat fucker getting more and more crazy jealous, and continue to mouth off, MA will start to finally see how he was used by that prick and cost him his place in VH.

Mike chose to align himself with the dark side. For that there will be no forgiveness. Never. Ever.

[Tiki-Tom]

Last Friday my 14 year old son was going through my old bootleg DVDs looking for something to watch and he took out the VH show from Largo 1982. I sat with him for a few minutes checking it out and I asked him what he thought. He said "I don't think I can watch this... the background vocals really suck!"... wasn't expecting that response but laughed at how true the statement was. I also felt the same way today when I was listening to a VH show from Pasadena 1977. Mike's voice kinda reminded me of the noise I hear when my brake pads need replacing. They are called 'background vocals' because they are supposed to sit nice in the background and add to the overall sound of the band... not trying to overpower everything else with loud hi-pitched undisciplined yelps.

Very wise observation coming from your son. That has always been one of my very few gripes about the classic stuff. Anthony's voice kinda sounds at times like two cats fightin' over dinner down at the local dump!

[dave_is_vh]

There's not much for Mike to go after... if the songs were never published or released there's not a lot to wrangle over legally.

I find some of the cheap shots slamming Mike rather childish. He was a full contributing member of Van Halen for 30+ years and well respected among many of the top musicians in the rock world. To imply that the Mighty VH was a only two man operation... it just petty crap...

Van Halen is/was ABSOLUTELY a two man operation. I could play bass or drums in Van Halen right now and you wouldn't even know the difference unless you saw me. And I am not even a good bass player or drummer. Furthermore we all know Dave and Ed wrote ALL of the songs.

[Fairwrning]

Mike and Sam sure like to talk a lot about VH dont they?

Well..being in Chickenfoot doesnt gather much attention..

[kwame k]

Van Halen is/was ABSOLUTELY a two man operation. I could play bass or drums in Van Halen right now and you wouldn't even know the difference unless you saw me. And I am not even a good bass player or drummer. Furthermore we all know Dave and Ed wrote ALL of the songs.


Now Al's not a good drummer:doh:

[Matt White]

I cunt believe anybody would waste this much bandwidth on "Hot-sauce Sobieski".........

Its not like Jaco Pastorius played for VAN HALEN...............


get the fuck over it

[kwame k]

I cunt believe anybody would waste this much bandwidth on "Hot-sauce Sobieski".........

Its not like Jaco Pastorius played for VAN HALEN...............


get the fuck over it

He seems fine with it, Van Halen seems fine with it........so why shouldn't I be fine with it?

[Heater]

NOW Mikes vocals were nothing? Amazing rationalizing. I guess if MA was singing background on Tattoo it would have fallen lower than #22. where was it last week? 16? And now? 22? yep, if Bassplayer was singing on it, it would NEVER have been in the top ten! Oh, wait.....it wasn't.

[ELVIS]

I don't think Ed was planning to have Wolf play base back in 2004

yeah, I think he played left field...

[Diamondjimi]

"And, hey, it'll be nice to hear some of those old songs again that I haven't played in a long time."

He'd leave chickenfoot in an instant to go back to VH. Just my opinion.

Dude. Tubby opens his suckhole is for the sole point of attention. mainly the attention of the VH camp.

He would literally poison Chickentits and The Waborita's with uranium if it meant he would get the come home Lassie cal from howdy doody mountain...

[VAiN]

He'd leave chickenfoot in an instant to go back to VH. Just my opinion.

That's not an opinion, it's a fact.

Bass player made a poor decision, simple as that. Sure, the VH bros weren't doing shit, buuuut, he knew they weren't in love with the round rocker. He knew this. He made his choice and the rest is history. I'll always have a soft spot in my heart for what bass player did, but at the end of the day, peace out, bass player.

I'm also of the opinion that bass players vocals are very overrated, especially live. They're just not that good to listen to, he sings like a woman. That CVH vocal sound was the direct end result of the great Mr.Ted Templeman.

[VAiN]

NOW Mikes vocals were nothing? Amazing rationalizing. I guess if MA was singing background on Tattoo it would have fallen lower than #22. where was it last week? 16? And now? 22? yep, if Bassplayer was singing on it, it would NEVER have been in the top ten! Oh, wait.....it wasn't.

You suck at life.

[VAiN]

Now Al's not a good drummer:doh:

Wow... this is getting good. :popc1:

[Matt White]

NOW Mikes vocals were nothing? Amazing rationalizing. I guess if MA was singing background on Tattoo it would have fallen lower than #22. where was it last week? 16? And now? 22? yep, if Bassplayer was singing on it, it would NEVER have been in the top ten! Oh, wait.....it wasn't.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm....so by that logic BLONDES IN BLACK CARS should have been a HUGE hit for AUTOGRAPH...due to "Hot-Sauce" singing his majestic BACK GROUND VOCALS on that track?!?!

You sir are an idiot...............

http://www.muthstruths.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/a8.jpg

[Romeo Delight]

As far as "backing vocals" go, I always considered Mike a bit too high registered for my own personal tastes, although it DID make them unique and original.

That said, I don't buy albums for the backing vocals, so...I could give a shit less, really. Let them pump 'em in for the tour and I'll sit there smiling the whole time, doesn't bother me in the slightest.

What happened to that other Bueno Bob who couldn't have been more in opposition to the whole thing? If I recall you wanted no part of a Van Halen without Mike? Have you come from the Dark side finally? Nice to have you back!

[bueno bob]

i cunt believe anybody would waste this much bandwidth on "hot-sauce sobieski".........

Its not like jaco pastorius played for van halen...............


Get the fuck over it

seriously.

[Heater]

Matty, That made NO sense, no correlation. Nice try though. And speaking of vocals that don't hold up live.....

[Matt White]

Matty, That made NO sense, no correlation. Nice try though. And speaking of vocals that don't hold up live.....

Kinda just proved my point genius...

Didn't think you'd get it without having a calk board in front of you.............



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[Heater]

What is a calk board? Try using two hands to type. dick.

[Heater]

Calk it up to experience! Ah-haa!

[kwame k]

Hate to break it to you Bleater but no one really puts that much effort/attention in replying to you:lmao:

[DLR7884]

Mullet O' Plugs never wrote a damn thing while in VH. He was lucky to get a writing credit on a single song in the entire catalog while he was with the band.

He's an over rated bassist (G,G,G,G,G,G,G....) and I'm convinced he didn't play on Fair Warning.

DLR7884
He took the high road because he doesn't have a fucking leg to stand on.

[Matt White]

What is a calk board? Try using two hands to type. dick.

You got me little fella............

Now I'm being lectured by the "sharpest nail in the bucket"..............

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[Panamark]

If he never wrote them, what a fucked up question to ask him ?

Yes, he spoke nicely about his former band, but a month ago
was laughing his ass off with Sammy about Van Halens incompetence
to get their shit together. I hope he really digs the album and tells
Hagar the same.

[Heater]

Doesn't answer the question....WHAT is a calk board? Maybe your post would make more sense if you explained it. Nice picture, is that you on the left? Boom!

[mug]

I give it three years and the kid says i can't play with 60 year olds. The last tour they have is with Mike. Wolfie has connections now. He will be wanted he can play drums and axe pretty good too. So in comes Mike with Dave's help and $$$$$$$$$$$. Sammy will be close to 70.

[gbranton]

Ed brought in his own kid...MA was gonna be out anyway

Yeah I don't think he had a choice, seeing as how he only played on three songs on VHIII and had nothing to do with BOBW. He said in a 2006 interview that the VH brothers didn't want him on the 2004 reunion tour.

[Matt White]

Doesn't answer the question....WHAT is a calk board? Maybe your post would make more sense if you explained it. Nice picture, is that you on the left? Boom!

CHALK BOARD...I know its a mystery when a person drops a letter out of a common word....try to keep up kid

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[bueno bob]

What happened to that other Bueno Bob who couldn't have been more in opposition to the whole thing? If I recall you wanted no part of a Van Halen without Mike? Have you come from the Dark side finally? Nice to have you back!

Yeah, more or less. I hated the thought at first, and a large part of me STILL would love to have Mike back, but at this point, it's barely an issue to me anymore, really. Wolfgang's honestly got all the bass chops Van Halen needs; I don't care all that much about the backing vocals, per se. It looks weird to have a kid amongst old men, yeah, but what are looks when it comes to having the band back?

And it's not like I'm going to go on a hate fest about Mike...or anybody else, per se, if Mike wants to play backup in Chickenfoot, that's fine...if it makes him happy, whatever...his being gone is his fault, Hagar's fault, Eddie's fault, and even Alex's fault, they're all equally to blame for it....Mike could suck it up and call Eddie and probably get his job back, but he doesn't; Eddie could call him and Mike would be on a plane inside of 2 hours...it is what it is.

I have no vitriol towards Wolfgang, and in his shoes, hey, it's a cool gig to have, you know? As far as I care anymore, if anybody REALLY misses Mike all that much, they can go listen to The Other Half of Planet Chickenfoot or whatever...

...but based on the sales of THAT particular band, well, NOBODY DOES.

[kwame k]

Chickenfoot III

Is burning up the charts:headlights:

[Matt White]

It's the greatest thing I've ever heard, outside of Supertramp and Erasure.

You really are a dolt

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[Floridaman1985]

Chickenfoot III

Is burning up the charts:headlights:

Straight to the discount bin!

[kwame k]

Straight to the discount bin!

Where it sits at a respectable #130 in the under $3.00 category;)

[Terry]

Well, from what I read in the thread that was directly quoted from Anthony, the words "lawsuit" and "songwriting credits" weren't spoken by him, and I think it was classy of him to simply wish the band well and say that he was looking forward to hearing the new album.
I still can't decide if Mike Anthony has been exhibiting a zen-like sense of peace and acceptance over being ousted from the band, or if he has the personality of a doormat.

[Vinnie Velvet]

Well, from what I read in the thread that was directly quoted from Anthony, the words "lawsuit" and "songwriting credits" weren't spoken by him, and I think it was classy of him to simply wish the band well and say that he was looking forward to hearing the new album.
I still can't decide if Mike Anthony has been exhibiting a zen-like sense of peace and acceptance over being ousted from the band, or if he has the personality of a doormat.

I'd say the latter.

[Terry]

I'd say the latter.

Yeah...perhaps...I mean, if he's bitter or pissed at all, he sure does a good job of hiding it.

[kwame k]

Well, from what I read in the thread that was directly quoted from Anthony, the words "lawsuit" and "songwriting credits" weren't spoken by him, and I think it was classy of him to simply wish the band well and say that he was looking forward to hearing the new album.
I still can't decide if Mike Anthony has been exhibiting a zen-like sense of peace and acceptance over being ousted from the band, or if he has the personality of a doormat.

Both.....

He's in his 50's, a multimillionaire, has lived a life that any of us would of killed for and now he gets to play in a band that doesn't have the hassle of mounting a major tour, Hell, booking the small theaters for these guys could be done by the band itself and they'd still be free by lunch.

Why not be a doormat......he's done it all!

He's making money, doing what he loves and really doesn't have the stress or hassle of having to sell out arenas to be able to continue.

If it wasn't for having to hear Spammy caterwaul on a nightly basis....I'd trade places with him in a heartbeat;)

[K-tuna]

Can somebody please explain why MA would sign his rights away?

I can't stand his playing but why would anyone give up the rights to their work. Its sheer stupidity. Im not talking what people speculate on what he or eddie played. Im talking the written contracts, liners, and songwriting.....

There has to be more than this because its makes NO sense. Im not talking reaming VH for all you can get , but protecting your work.

Having him airbrushed off the covers, denying him rights to say he was the former bass player of VH ....none of this sounds on the up and up.

[kwame k]

He did not!

He signed away ALL FUTURE rights of the brand Van Halen. He basically signed away his right to be in the band or have an equal say in anything about the band.

He's still listed as songwriter on everything up to '03, IIRC.

[BITEYOASS]

Michael Anthony was the Van Halen version of Ogre from "Revenge of the Nerds".

[BITEYOASS]

You be the judge!

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[Dan]

Chickenfoot III

Is burning up the charts:headlights:

No My Son,It's Burning Up Someone's Asshole.:D

[kwame k]

No My Son,It's Burning Up Someone's Asshole.:D

How Rude, pappy;)

[Dan]

I Feel The Love In This Thread.:D

[kwame k]

So, No Hairy Dogs then, dad?

[Dan]

Son,There Are So Many Hairy Dogs A Father Can Carry Around.My 4 X4 Cant Handle Them All.I Pass The Torch To You Now.Do Me Proud,Son.:D

[kwame k]

Pants On.......papa?

[Dan]

Like Father Like Son.Pants On Pants Off.:D

[Dan]

MA Wrote,This Hot Sauce Is Too Hot For Your Asshole.:D

[Rikk]

we got a place for you here...ask Rikk...he'll show you the way... :sheepshagger:

Damn straight.

And seriously...fuck Michael Anthony. The only reason he isn't "going after them" is because he knows goddamn well he never wrote a note or a beat. He played bass and sang. Good for him...but name one goddamn Van Halen song Mikey wrote. No, those six solo bass notes at the beginning of RWTD don't count.

[Rikk]

Mike was in on the Dave bashing when he was in Van Halen.

Now that he's out of VH, he says Dave is the only reason he'd want to jam with the group again.

The guy has no core.

One thing I can't take about Mike at this point is the scores of people whining that he's not in the band.

I remember his shitty look on his face up on the stage at the MTV Video Awards in 1996. He was furious that Dave was doing his schtick. He looked angrier than the brothers.

Then I remember this quote from a '96 Dutch Fan Club interview after Dave was apparently back in...


Michel: How do you feel about this situation personally? In the press the band always hated David Lee Roth. And now all of a sudden you're working with the guy!

Mike: Yeah, I know. A lot of people were surprised by that. Actually I was the last person in the band to accept the fact that this would happen. Eddie was the one that wanted to do it. He met with Dave two or three times. And that last time, I called over there and I talked to Dave. It was the first time I talked to him in eleven years.

Michel: You didn't, in all those years?

Mike: Oh no... I told them I didn't want to work with Dave and I wouldn't wanna tour with him. But I'm in Van Halen and Eddie and Alex are my brothers. And if they wanted to do it I would do it, too.... It was kind of hard at first because musically we're pretty much evolved a lot more than Dave did. But we have a producer by the name of Glen Ballard and he worked on new songs with us. And all I got- to say is that this guy is the best producer we've ever worked with. He's the most normal person. He doesn't have an ego like a lot of producers do. And when we're going to do our next studio record, he probably will produce it for us.

[DavidLeeNatra]

Oh, never mind...he's banned already.

8 whole posts.

Wow. Guess we're being Johnny On the Spot about bannings these days?

LOL

what'a all this banning shit these days???? where is the fun now kicking these asswipes around????

[Yount]

Yeah, more or less. I hated the thought at first
takes guts, goodonyamate

[ZahZoo]

Van Halen is/was ABSOLUTELY a two man operation. I could play bass or drums in Van Halen right now and you wouldn't even know the difference unless you saw me. And I am not even a good bass player or drummer. Furthermore we all know Dave and Ed wrote ALL of the songs.

Now, now... don't go talkin out your ass... No need to go embarrassing yourself.

In a blind test I'd know the difference in two beats within a measure.

Clearly you don't have the knowledge nor experience to know what went into composing and recording all of the Van Halen material. At least 4 people went into the studio and 4 performances made it to tape. I think we all acknowledge Ed's guitar contributions and Dave's melodies and lyrical genius. The bass and drums are not optional plug-n-play modules. It's all an integral part of the VH magic... A riff track with scratch vocals does not a hit song make...

[clarathecarrot]

MA can change his mind as he matures and he has the freedom to bash and then forgive ..like how I remember all those women I made love in my youth, too, and in my heart I really meant, just the tip.

Now, that I have mature'd I wish I could see them all again and just knock off one more piece of that ass.

Mutha On Bitches.

[evil_lil]

One thing I can't take about Mike at this point is the scores of people whining that he's not in the band.


I think it's just become fashionable with certain mouth breathing youtube commenters who were never really Van Halen fans to begin with

[smorgdonkey]

It is bizarre how people say that Mike 'alligned himself' with Haggis...Haggis was ED's choice to be in the band. Ed wrote many albums of SHIT with that guy. MANY albums of shit and sold it like it was cotton candy at the fair. So, because Haggis treats Mike like a human being rather than a lapdog, and then Mike decides to hang out with the guy (come on man...chubby kids stick together) everyone blames Mike? Ed brought that annoying wannabe into the fold and loved it all.

Whether you care or not if Mike is in the current line-up, it isn't Haggis' fault and it isn't Mike's fault. It is Ed's doing because he is a control freak egomaniac.

The f'n end.

[kwame k]

Wow....I just wished someone would of said that years ago, ad nauseam:umm:

[Rikk]

End of the day, it is Mike that worked hard to make the '96 reunion not happen. He was against Dave being there from the beginning and let it be known. And he was the fat bass player.

Ed and Al had the final say and fucked it all up, but Mike sure helped the '96 reunion not happen.

And for him I don't feel remotely bad. He can fuck himself.

[DLR7884]

End of the day, it is Mike that worked hard to make the '96 reunion not happen. He was against Dave being there from the beginning and let it be known. And he was the fat bass player.

Ed and Al had the final say and fucked it all up, but Mike sure helped the '96 reunion not happen.

And for him I don't feel remotely bad. He can fuck himself.

Nicely written, Rikk. :amen: That hot sauce peddler can fuck himself. He's a marginal bass player at best and his background vox are overrated.

DLR7884
There's no way he played a single note on Fair Warning.

[Hardrock69]

Now now. "Marginal bass player at best"? Not true. Sure he ain't Tal Wilkenfeld, but for the type of music they were playing, he was pretty fucking good.

It is all academic. I posted after seeing "She's The Woman" that I did not give a fuck if Mikey ever came back. He wanted to be with Spambot. He has money. He is set for life. And he does not have to deal with Ed or Dave. Just the screechklown in his current chickenshit band.

Wolfy has had the torch passed to HIM. I am all for it. He is a fucking badass, and IF Mikey never plays in Van Halen again, I am fine with it. Sure I would love it if he were to do so.

But it is irrelevant to worry about it now.

[golitely]

I have never gotten all this moaning over St. Michael of Pasadena. If he had been the one who had left/was pushed in 1985, there would have been one line in the RS Random Notes (“longtime Van Halen bassist Michael Anthony replaced by Billy Sheehan”) and nothing more. Not one fan—not one—would have defected over Bassplayer’s departure.
Even now, I think fans are more angry over how it was handled, not that he is no longer in the band. The way I see it, the guy was the target of workplace mobbing for 30 years and he put up with it a) for the money, b) he knew he’d never get another gig half as sweet, and c) he’s a total pussy utterly lacking in self-esteem. I’m not going to say he got what he deserved, but after you’ve made some decent bank, if you continue to put up with that shit then you’ve got to know some day it’ll bite you in the ass, especially when seeing all the other folks EVH turned on.
People confuse meekness, or plain out cowardice, with virtue. Turn the other cheek is a wonderful philosophy of self-restraint and forgiveness more should follow, but sometimes you’ve got to stand up for yourself and clock the mf back.

[Matt White]

EXACTLY!!!

Grow a set....like Jason Newsted....who said..."F-U-C-K YOU! I'm taking my millions and leaving this sinking ship! AND I'm gonna go and make music that IS FUN!!!"

So...fuck "Hot-Sauce"...................he stood by and bent anyway the winds of fortune blew.....

"BYE BYE SUM-BITCH"!!!

[smorgdonkey]

People confuse meekness, or plain out cowardice, with virtue. Turn the other cheek is a wonderful philosophy of self-restraint and forgiveness more should follow, but sometimes you’ve got to stand up for yourself and clock the mf back.

I get what you mean but people would be furious if Mike called out Ed for what Ed is/was...they'd be calling him ungrateful and a backstabber and eevry name in the book. Because he chooses to not get into the mud slinging now people will call him a coward, spineless, etc. Well, I don't know him so I can't say...all I can do is judge by what I have seen and by what I've seen he was Ed's lapdog, super loyal tro the VH brothers, but now he gets treated like a person and he already has as much money as anyone could ever need so I bet that he is completely unaware that thyere are a bunch of people backing him and a bunch of people stabbing him in the back because he just plays music, enjoys himself and lives a life like few can imagine...even if it is often spent with Haggis :puke:.

[VAiN]

I get what you mean but people would be furious if Mike called out Ed for what Ed is/was...they'd be calling him ungrateful and a backstabber and eevry name in the book. Because he chooses to not get into the mud slinging now people will call him a coward, spineless, etc.

It's pretty much a no win situation for him.. He seems cool with things, so good for him. He's taking a high road - a certain fat singer should follow his example.

[smorgdonkey]

It's pretty much a no win situation for him.. He seems cool with things, so good for him. He's taking a high road - a certain fat singer should follow his example.

I agree...I even think that Fatty McSinger would seem a lot more noble if he took it down to about 50% - then it would just be a little jabbing. You can bet that if Ed is ever to comment that he'll let it fly pretty hard at Mr. Haggis. When he hit the airwaves with the 'Sauce Sobeleski' comments that time I thought that he was pretty ruthless so he probably has some real heavies saved up for the real target of his current hate.

[golitely]

I think Mike is right in keeping his mouth shut unless attacked, otherwise he’d come off as a bitter ass. I don’t think he is some evil weasel, but just has a very weak character. Nor do feel sorry for him; he knew the kind of people he was playing with literally and figuratively. That he lasted so long is a miracle. Wish him well, he was member of my favorite band, but I couldn't care less that he is no longer there. The music does not seem to have suffered due to his absence.