Can't this birther shit stop already?

[qikgts]

I saw this on the news yesterday and almost didn't believe it...

http://www.cfnews13.com/content/news/cfnews13/news/article.html/content/news/articles/bn9/2012/6/18/fl_judge_hears_birth.html

TALLAHASSEE --
A Florida judge is taking up a national complaint.

The so-called "birthers" are suing to get President Barack Obama's name off the November ballot in Florida. That group doesn't believe the Commander in Chief's birth certificate.

But in a hearing Monday, attorney Larry Klayman told a judge Obama's birth certificate isn't the only issue; the President's father, Barack Obama Sr., was never an American citizen.

Klayman argued that fact alone means the President isn't a 'natural born citizen' and, under the Constitution, can't run for re-election.

“The framers wanted a situation where the President, in terms of his background, in terms of his links to the United States, wanted someone who was born in this territory to two citizen parents,” said Klayman.

Obama administration lawyer Mark Herron calls that ridiculous. He says nowhere in the Constitution does it say a 'natural born citizen' has to have American-born parents.

“Those statements conflict with the United States Supreme Court opinions, as well as other opinions of other courts who have considered this issue,” Herron said.

Erin Sullivan traveled all the way from Manatee County to witness the hearing.

“His father was not an American citizen, not at any time,” she said. “It's not even a question of whether it was after he was born. He was never an American citizen, and Mr. Obama's not qualified to be President of the United States.”

The suit describes plaintiff Michael Voeltz, as being a registered Democrat.

A final decision on the case could come as early as this week.



Why does all this crap happen in Florida??? :doh:

[jhale667]

Birthers are f*cktards.

[qikgts]

birthers are f*cktards.

word.

[Seshmeister]

Also just a little point but even if he had been born abroad and then as a baby brought to the US how would that make a dick of difference anyway apart from an ancient legal technicality? What difference does where you are physically born, do people think that the US soil has some special magic powers?

How many birthers supported Arnie not only an illegal immigrant but who also retains his Austrian citizenship?

[Nitro Express]

The technicality is Obama's mom was not old enough to transfer citizenship to the baby when she had him. If she was older in age when she had him she could have popped him out anywhere in the world and that would meet the natural born citizen requirements.

Now another group claims they have dug up some old articles that were written on Obama when he became president of the Harvard Law Review that said he was born in Singapore.

Kenya, Indonesia, Hawaii, Singapore. Ann got around and fucked so many different black men they don't even know who the father was apparently. LOL! Maybe she had two dicks in her at the same time. Good luck finding out where that sperm came from.

[FORD]

Going by Larry Klayman's definition, Willard Mittens Romney can't run for president either, since his father was born in Mexico (because great grandpa moved there, rather than give up polygamy). Irony here, of course is that George Romney (NOT a natural born citizen) ran for President in 1968, and though he lost in the primaries to Tricky Dick, nobody raised his birthplace as an issue. Or his religion, for that matter (which Nixon, being raised as a Quaker, probably avoided on purpose. Quakers aren't exactly the type of faith favored by the warmongering Repukelican party, though obviously Nixon wasn't bound to the faith all that much)

And let's not forget John McCain, born in Colon Panama (and NOT in the US controlled canal zone) ran in 2000 and 2008 without being questioned.

But anyway, if both Barry and Mittens are considered "ineligible" to be President, even though both are US citizens from birth, then there's only one reasonable solution...

VOTE ROCKY ANDERSON FOR PRESIDENT!

[FORD]

How many birthers supported Arnie not only an illegal immigrant but who also retains his Austrian citizenship?

And whose father was literally a guard at a concentration camp.

But then being a Nazi is apparently considered a plus for Republicans. Their entire party's been controlled by the very people who financed Hitler for the last 60 years.

[BigBadBrian]

Arnie not only an illegal immigrant...

Bullshit. There is more evidence Obama was born in Kenya than Ah-nold was an illegal, and that's not much...


but who also retains his Austrian citizenship?

As per THE U.S. STATE DEPARTMENT: (http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/cis/cis_1753.html) "...a person naturalized as a U.S. citizen may not lose the citizenship of the country of birth."

[BigBadBrian]

And whose father was literally a guard at a concentration camp.

But then being a Nazi is apparently considered a plus for Republicans. Their entire party's been controlled by the very people who financed Hitler for the last 60 years.

Entirely untrue. Gustav Schwarzenegger was a member of the Feldgendarmerie (a military police unit) of the Heer (German Regular Army). He was not a concentration camp guard. Thousands upon hundreds of thousands of Germans, nazi or not, were given a pass at the end of WWII. Some even commanded American and British soldiers in the field during the cold war. Hans Speidel is one example. He was a full general in the post-WWII German Army and was overall NATO Land Commander from '57 to '63.

Your comment concerning Republicans, was as usual, idiotic and scatter-brained.

[jhale667]

Bullshit. There is more evidence Obama was born in Kenya...

Where, on Brietfart.com?



Thanks for proving my point for me. :clap:

[BigBadBrian]

I agree that this birther issue should stop, however.

Conservatives should instead concentrate on Obama's horrendous economic record and subversion of the US Constitution.

[jhale667]

27 straight months of job growth...yeah, horrendous. :rolleyes:

[BigBadBrian]

:fighting0056:
Where, on Brietfart.com?
Thanks for proving my point for me. :clap:

Wrong as usual...you pussy!

[FORD]

Your comment concerning Republicans, was as usual, idiotic and scatter-brained.

The BCE funded Hitler. Prescott Bush launched Nixon's political career, introduced him to Eisenhower, and the BCE has been pulling the strings of every Republican administration since then, and are now endorsing Willard Mittens Romney.

Which part of that would you like to dispute?

[jhale667]

The BCE funded Hitler. Prescott Bush launched Nixon's political career, introduced him to Eisenhower, and the BCE has been pulling the strings of every Republican administration since then, and are now endorsing Willard Mittens Romney.

Which part of that would you like to dispute?


There you go confusing mangina with facts again... :rolleyes:

[FORD]

Posted 8/24/2003 4:51 PM
Records: Arnold's father was member of Nazi storm troops

VIENNA, Austria (AP) — It's just a tiny typewritten line tucked away in an immense archive, but it sheds further light on the Nazi past of Arnold Schwarzenegger's father.

The brief entry in one of millions of documents stored at the Austrian State Archives shows that Gustav Schwarzenegger, the late father of the film star now running for governor of California, was a volunteer member of the Sturmabteilung, or SA — the notorious Nazi storm troopers also known as brownshirts.

The father's Nazi Party membership and combat record in the German army are not new, and his son's dismay about it is well known. The revelations of SA membership that emerged a week ago add another strand to the murky story.

The "SA 1.5.1939" listing shows that the elder Schwarzenegger joined May 1, 1939, the year after Germany annexed Austria and six months after the brownshirts played a crucial role in the bloody Kristallnacht riots.

The Simon Wiesenthal Center, which in 1990 investigated Gustav Schwarzenegger's wartime past at his son's request, plans to conduct new research before the Oct. 7 California recall election to establish what the father's unit did, said Rabbi Marvin Hier.

Whatever it finds out, "We will give it to Arnold, then to the public," Hier told The Associated Press in a telephone interview from the center's Los Angeles headquarters. "Whatever the record shows, so may it show. Should that record have any bearing on Arnold Schwarzenegger himself? In my opinion, absolutely not."

The Wiesenthal Center didn't find the storm trooper reference in its 1990 investigation because that record was sealed until last year, 30 years after Gustav Schwarzenegger's death in 1972.

The new information was "negative," though SA membership is not considered a crime in itself, as membership in the Gestapo or the paramilitary SS would be, Hier said.

"We know what the SA and the Nazi Party stood for," he said. "Arnold knows this, and he's not proud of the fact that his father was a member of the Nazi Party and that his father was a member of the SA. This is a matter of deep embarrassment, but Arnold cannot be judged by his father."

Schwarzenegger campaign spokesman Sean Walsh said Sunday the actor continues to fight for equality and humanitarian ideals.

"His record regarding stamping out intolerance is absolutely rock-solid and he will continue to work closely with the Simon Wiesenthal Center to ensure that the attitudes and actions that occurred in the Nazi era never happen again," Walsh said.

Walsh doesn't believe the actions of Schwarzenegger's father will influence voters in the Oct. 7 recall election.

Arnold Schwarzenegger has donated nearly $750,000 to the center, raised millions more, and helped the organization fight anti-Semitism. Born two years after World War II ended, he long ago distanced himself from his late father's views and in 1991 he received the Wiesenthal Center's National Leadership Award.

Schwarzenegger successfully sued a British tabloid in 1989 and a journalist in 1993 for suggesting he held Nazi and anti-Semitic opinions. He won undisclosed libel damages.

The storm troopers, a paramilitary organization tied to the Nazi Party, played a crucial role in expanding Adolf Hitler's power.

They were part of the 1938 Kristallnacht rampage, during which more than 1,000 synagogues were destroyed. In its aftermath, about 30,000 Jewish men were dragged to Nazi concentration camps and several hundred people were killed or committed suicide.

Gustav Schwarzenegger became a member the following year, at a time when SA membership was declining. The troops had 900,000 members in 1940, down from 4.2 million in 1934, according to the "Encyclopedia of the Holocaust," published in Germany and Switzerland.

Austrian State Archives don't have details about the elder Schwarzenegger's SA activities, and don't provide enough information to determine whether he was any worse than most Nazis, said Ursula Schwarz, a researcher at the Documentation Archive of the Austrian Resistance.

"You cannot judge that from these documents. You would need a whole lot more," she said.

There's no doubt that Schwarzenegger's father was a convinced Nazi; Austrian records indicate he joined the party on March 1, 1938, two weeks before the country was annexed. A separate record obtained by the Wiesenthal Center indicates he sought membership before the annexation but was only accepted in 1941.

But his past raises few eyebrows in Austria, where many have relatives who were Nazis.

Austrian newspapers, in stories proudly describing their native son's successes in a U.S. state much larger than his home country, mention Gustav Schwarzenegger's Nazi ties only in passing, if at all.

The Vienna daily Der Standard, in a recent story headlined "Arnie steps in: A man makes himself a legend," wrote that "Gustav, a high-ranking Nazi, brought up the bespectacled, rather frail boy with an iron fist and quite a few slaps in the face."

The archive records also include the elder Schwarzenegger's tattered ID booklet, with a photo of him sporting slicked back hair and a Hitler-style mustache. It lists injuries, hospital stays and medals. Another document says he saw action in Poland, France, Lithuania and in Russia, where he was wounded.

A health registry document describes him as a "calm and reliable person, not particularly outstanding" and assesses his intellect as "average."

Austrian authorities in 1947 determined that the elder Schwarzenegger could work as a police officer despite his Nazi past because there was no evidence he had committed war crimes.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/politicselections/2003-08-24-arnold-father_x.htm#

[Nitro Express]

Fuck Obama

Fuck Mitt

Rocky Anderson for president!

[Nitro Express]

"If they elect Arnold as governor then we truly are a nation of retards." --Thomas Chong--

[Seshmeister]

Bullshit. There is more evidence Obama was born in Kenya than Ah-nold was an illegal, and that's not much...


This isn't crazy whack job evidence, all they did was read his autobiography and check the law.

http://www.visalaw.com/03sep4/15sep403.html


Schwarzenegger May Have Violated Terms Of Non-Immigrant Visa

Republican Arnold Schwarzenegger is facing heat over his immigration records and work history. The issue has surfaced during his campaign to become the next Governor of California.

Schwarzenegger entered the United States in 1968 on a B-1 visa, which allows a select group of visitors, such as training athletes, to come into the United States for brief periods of business. Under this rule, “a non-immigrant in B-1 status may not receive a salary from a U.S. source for services rendered in connection with his or her activities in the United States.” However, the rules do allow immigrants to receive “actual reasonable expenses,” such as money for food and hotel rooms.

In his 1977 autobiography, Schwarzenegger stated that he worked out an agreement with Joe Weider to come to America. Under this agreement, Schwarzenegger provided Weider information about how he trained, while Weider provided Schwarzenegger with an apartment, a car, and payment of a weekly salary.

Weider stated earlier this month that the weekly salary was $200. Last week, a spokesman for Schwarzenegger said that he was only paid $65 per week. At the end of last week, Weider stated that he could not remember the details of the business deal.

After questioning about half-dozen immigration attorneys on whether this payment would have been allowable, the Mercury News reported that his visa would likely have been barred under these circumstances. However, some attorneys noted the more rigorous application procedures that are now present for the immigration process. In the 1960s, the procedures were much more lax than they are now.

Schwarzenegger attorney Tom Hiltachk said Schwarzenegger received an H-2 visa, which allowed him to work in this country, in November 1969 – after more than a year in the United States. He became a permanent resident in 1974 and a citizen in 1983.

In addition, Schwarzenegger’s new ad campaign on a Spanish-language radio station announces his humble beginnings in America as a bricklayer. Several immigration attorneys also believe that he violated the terms of his H-2 work visa by launching this bricklaying business in 1971. According to further reports by the Mercury News, immigration attorneys across the country said Schwarzenegger would have been barred by visa restrictions from starting his own business. Moreover, there is no record that Schwarzenegger and the Italian bodybuilder that he paired up with ever received a required state contractor’s license.

In addition, following this latest immigration issue, Hiltachk said it is unclear what type of visa Schwarzenegger had when he started the bricklaying business. But whether Schwarzenegger had an H-2 or another temporary visa, immigration attorneys said, the bodybuilder would have been barred from doing any work as a bricklayer or handyman.

“If they come into the United States to pick tomatoes, they can’t go out and work at McDonald’s,” said Nancy Alby, an assistant center director at the U.S. Bureau of Citizenship and Naturalization Services, who spoke in general about H-2 visas and did not comment specifically on Schwarzenegger’s case. “They have to do exactly what they were let into the United States to do.”

The immigration issue fires up a debate over Schwarzenegger’s support for Proposition 187, a 1994 ballot measure that sought to keep illegal immigrants from receiving some state educational and social services. He also vows to fight a new law that allows illegal immigrants to get driver’s licenses. Schwarzenegger has said that immigrants must follow the rules like he did.

The federal government and the Bureau of Immigration and Citizenship Services declined to discuss Schwarzenegger’s immigration file or release his full file. Only a one-page article was released to the Mercury News when they requested the information.

[Nickdfresh]

The technicality is Obama's mom was not old enough to transfer citizenship to the baby when she had him. If she was older in age when she had him she could have popped him out anywhere in the world and that would meet the natural born citizen requirements.

...

Do you ever get tired of just pulling shit out of your ass?

[Nickdfresh]

Bullshit. There is more evidence Obama was born in Kenya than Ah-nold was an illegal, and that's not much...



As per THE U.S. STATE DEPARTMENT: (http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/cis/cis_1753.html) "...a person naturalized as a U.S. citizen may not lose the citizenship of the country of birth."

Joining the mouth-breathing, conspiratorial fuckwit club? How's the view (of your sphincter)?

[Nickdfresh]

Entirely untrue. Gustav Schwarzenegger was a member of the Feldgendarmerie (a military police unit) of the Heer (German Regular Army). He was not a concentration camp guard. Thousands upon hundreds of thousands of Germans, nazi or not, were given a pass at the end of WWII. Some even commanded American and British soldiers in the field during the cold war. Hans Speidel is one example. He was a full general in the post-WWII German Army and was overall NATO Land Commander from '57 to '63.

The Feldgendarmerie were one of the most ruthless and feared units within the German Wehrmacht and were capable of atrocities which matched the Waffen SS. They often carried out nonjudicial executions of German soldiers deemed deserters and civilians. I believe some did guard concentration camps...


When combat units moved forward out of a region, the Feldgendarmerie role would formally end as control was then transferred to occupation authorities under the control of the Nazi Party and SS. But Feldgendarmerie units are known to have assisted the SS in committing war crimes in occupied areas. Author Anthony Beevor explores some well-documented cases of their participation in his book Stalingrad.

But by 1943 as the tide of war changed for Nazi Germany, the Feldgendarmerie were given the task to maintain discipline in the Wehrmacht. Many ordinary soldiers deemed to be deserters were summarily executed by Feldgendarmerie units. This earned them the pejorative Kettenhunde (English: chained dogs) after the gorget they wore with their uniforms. The arbitrary and brutal policing of soldiers gave them the other nickname Heldenklauer (English: hero-snatcher) because they screened refugees and hospital transports for potential deserters with orders to kill suspected malingerers. Rear-echelon personnel would also be checked for passes that permitted them to be away from the front.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feldgendarmerie#World_War_II

Read Beevor's "Stalingrad" for more info...


Your comment concerning Republicans, was as usual, idiotic and scatter-brained.

Oh, okay dipshit...like you're one to talk...

[Nickdfresh]

I agree that this birther issue should stop, however.

Conservatives should instead concentrate on Obama's horrendous economic record and subversion of the US Constitution.

Yeah, but then they'd have to ignore their own horrendous economic record in congress and subversion of the US Constitution...

[Hardrock69]

:fighting0056:

Wrong as usual...you pussy!

Uh, no. He is not wrong.

But whatever fantasies you want to believe as you goose-step around your barracks, more power to you.

This sort of "lawsuit" is not even going to go anywhere. Seriously, judges take a dim view of frivolous lawsuits.

So Obama's father was not a U.S. Citizen. So what? That is like filing a lawsuit to take Obama's name off the ballot because his mom likes peanut butter sandwiches. It has nothing whatsoever to do with the laws or the U.S. Constitution.

[ELVIS]

27 straight months of job growth...yeah, horrendous. :rolleyes:

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha...

[Nitro Express]

The citizens seem so happy.

[Nitro Express]

a 1952 law that required a U.S. citizen married to an alien to have been physically present in the United States for 10 years, including five after reaching the age of 14, to transmit citizenship to foreign-born children. Obama’s mother was 18 when he was born.

This is the controversy. It's not so much where Barrack or Barry was born but the age of his mom and this law. If she was 20 years old when she popped him out he would be a natural born citizen. That's the legal technicality of it all.

Actually, the thing is this issue has been pushed since the guy got elected and it's gone nowhere. If it was a useful torpedo to sink his boat Mitt Romeny would be using it instead of saying Barrack was born in Hawaii.

[ELVIS]

Still, I think the birth certificate is fake...

[Nitro Express]

Still, I think the birth certificate is fake...

It's been proven to be so. It's a cut and paste photoshop image. But then maybe the White House did it on purpose to be a red herring. The thing is there is fast and furious and banking theft collusion and lots more. It makes Watergate look like nothing. Also you only can hide behind political correctness for so long before your lousy behavior and record catches up with you.

[knuckleboner]

It's been proven to be so. It's a cut and paste photoshop image. But then maybe the White House did it on purpose to be a red herring. The thing is there is fast and furious and banking theft collusion and lots more. It makes Watergate look like nothing. Also you only can hide behind political correctness for so long before your lousy behavior and record catches up with you.

you guys are hysterical. p.t. barnum's a prophet.

[FORD]

Geezus...... :doh:

[jhale667]

Geezus...... :doh:

:doh: Agree. That's the kind of stupid that can't even be fixed with duct tape.

[ELVIS]

What Nitro said is spot on...

The birth certificate has been proven to be a fake...

[FORD]

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[LoungeMachine]

It's been proven to be so..

Wrong.

:gulp:

Or did you do it yourself?

[FORD]

It's ironic that Obama's done some things that would give anybody legitimate reasons to have problems with him, and yet the nutcases ignore all that and continue with "the dumb socialist ni**er was born in Kenya" crap, even though it was debunked years ago.

One more time, for those of you on crack......

http://i.cdn.turner.com/cnn/interactive/2011/04/politics/interactive.obama.birth.certificate/birth_certificate_whitehouse.jpg

It's not forged, it's not altered, and you can take that as the professional opinion of someone who knows all about state archives and document imaging.

[jacksmar]

http://americanbuilt.us/images/dees/obama-birth-certificate.jpg

And Rahm Emnauel is the son of a terrorist.

Focus: Obamanure is a sociallist, signed Obamacare, signed with the big banks, bailed out Wall Street, bailed out the UAW, still at war, and my favorite: Gitmo still open for business.

FBHO voters like their shit sandwich served hot, foot long, and runny.

[ELVIS]

The birth cirtificate is a digital fabrication...

Look it up...

[jhale667]

You're a delusional racist crackhead.

[ELVIS]

NEW YORK, NY – After a Maricopa County law enforcement agency conducted a six-month forensic examination which determined that the image of Obama's alleged 1961 Certificate of Live Birth posted to a government website in April, 2011 is a digital fabrication and that it did not originate from a genuine paper document, arguments from an Obama eligibility lawyer during a recent New Jersey ballot challenge hearing reveals the image was not only a fabrication, but that it was likely part of a contrived plot by counterfeiters to endow Obama with mere political support while simultaneously making the image intentionally appear absurd and, therefore, invalid as evidence toward proving Obama's ineligibility in a court of law.

[Guitar Shark]

Can you please provide the source for that, Mr. ELVIS? ;)

[FORD]

NEW YORK, NY – After a Maricopa County law enforcement agency......

The minute anybody cites racist ass Joe Arpaio as a legitimate source for ANYTHING, the argument's over.

I wouldn't trust that criminal lunatic nazi to tell me the sky was blue in Phoenix. (Well at least beyond the layer of haze and smog, anyway)

[FORD]

And Rahm Emnauel is the son of a terrorist.

True. But I thought you right wingers were fine with Israeli terrorists? I mean you loved Sharon and NuttyYahoo.


Focus: Obamanure is a sociallist, signed Obamacare, signed with the big banks, bailed out Wall Street,

So he's a socialist who enabled corrupt predatory capitalism. Do you realize how fucking idiotic of a statement that is?


bailed out the UAW

How is that a bad thing?


still at war, and my favorite: Gitmo still open for business.

Again, why would an extreme right wing teabagger like yourself have a problem with these things. Now I do, and that's why I'm voting for Rocky Anderson. But I would think it would make YOU an Obama supporter.

Oh, right.... he's a ni**er..... I keep forgetting that part. :(

[jacksmar]

TARD, I'll play along with you.

http://kyleplz.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/ching-chong-potato.jpg

Enjoy your shit sammy.

[ELVIS]

Can you please provide the source for that, Mr. ELVIS? ;)

Click! (http://www.drudge.com/news/155710/obama-lawyer-admits-birth-certificate-forgery)

[ELVIS]

Read this (http://www.pakalertpress.com/2012/04/18/obama-lawyer-admits-in-court-birth-certificate-on-white-house-website-is-a-forgery/) !!


:elvis:

[FORD]

Read this (http://www.pakalertpress.com/2012/04/18/obama-lawyer-admits-in-court-birth-certificate-on-white-house-website-is-a-forgery/) !!


:elvis:

http://www.pakalertpress.com/about/

Considering what this site admits is their purpose for existence, why do they want to waste the last 6 months of human existence on trivial bullshit like this?

[FORD]

Click! (http://www.drudge.com/news/155710/obama-lawyer-admits-birth-certificate-forgery)

So you're quoting Closet Boy Drudge, who cites KKK Grand Wizard Arpaio as a source??

Oh yeah, that makes it MUCH better. :lmao:

[ELVIS]

Bashing the source is all you got ??

[jhale667]

So you're quoting Closet Boy Drudge, who cites KKK Grand Wizard Arpaio as a source??

Oh yeah, that makes it MUCH better. :lmao:


ZERO credibility. Like I said, they're f*cktards.

[ELVIS]

Wow, if asshale says they're f*cktards it must be true...

[jhale667]

Wow, if asshale says they're f*cktards it must be true...

You're definitely a f*cktard, and there's MOUNTAINS of evidence to prove it, bitch. Oh, and you also suck on guitar... :hee:

[FORD]

Bashing the source is all you got ??

If Joe Arpaio is your source, it's all I need.

But as I said, I know how government archives and document imaging works, and there's no question that birth certificate is real.

[jacksmar]

Credibility?

Obamanure is the guy that has spent millions of dollars on $10 certificate.

Don't be the guy that gets bent out of shape over Jr. JH.

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b125/USPrincess/brokennosegeraldo-2.jpg

[FORD]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r57a5Bx3s38

[FORD]

Credibility?

Obamanure is the guy that has spent millions of dollars on $10 certificate.

Don't be the guy that gets bent out of shape over Jr. JH.

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b125/USPrincess/brokennosegeraldo-2.jpg

Are you questioning the integrity of a FAUX Noise anchor? :biggrin:

[ELVIS]

If Joe Arpaio is your source, it's all I need.

But as I said, I know how government archives and document imaging works, and there's no question that birth certificate is real.

Ok, prove it...

Those of us with our feelings under control have seen quite a bit of evidence to support that it is indeed a fake...

[FORD]

When government documents are imaged, they are done in a format that cannot be easily edited. This is done for obvious security reasons, because this digital document has to serve as an official copy, rather than keep tons of paper documents in filing cabinets, which have to take up office space.


Furthermore, the idea that the governor of Hawaii - who was a Republican at the time, BTW - would open herself up to perjury charges by trying to forge a document that can't reliably be forged - that's just completely ludicrous.

But it's something I would expect from the likes of Arpaio or Drudge. Or that ridiculous Russian-Israeli drag queen dentist bitch who filed all the failed lawsuits.. Oily Twatz or whatever her name is.

[jhale667]

Ok, prove it...

Those of us with our feelings under control have seen quite a bit of evidence to support that it is indeed a fake...


You're absolutely blinded by bigotry, and so desperate you're quoting sources with no credibility - your feelings are anything but "under control".

[Seshmeister]

Furthermore, the idea that the governor of Hawaii - who was a Republican at the time, BTW - would open herself up to perjury charges by trying to forge a document that can't reliably be forged - that's just completely ludicrous.




Exactly. The Republican governor personally investigated the whole thing and said it was completely genuine.

[ELVIS]

A governor is a computer expert ??

[FORD]

A governor is a computer expert ??

No, but the request for the birth certificate came through the Governor's office, so that would make her legally responsible if it were forged.

[Seshmeister]

A governor is a computer expert ??


Bashing the source is all you got ??

[Nickdfresh]

NEW YORK, NY – After a Maricopa County law enforcement agency conducted a six-month forensic examination which determined that the image of Obama's alleged 1961 Certificate of Live Birth posted to a government website in April, 2011 is a digital fabrication and that it did not originate from a genuine paper document, arguments from an Obama eligibility lawyer during a recent New Jersey ballot challenge hearing reveals the image was not only a fabrication, but that it was likely part of a contrived plot by counterfeiters to endow Obama with mere political support while simultaneously making the image intentionally appear absurd and, therefore, invalid as evidence toward proving Obama's ineligibility in a court of law.
LOL

So some hicks in bumfuck NY have concluded it's fake? Wow, they must be experts who have a lot of time on their hands and waste taxpayer money in a massive circle jerk...
http://barneyfifesbullet.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/Barney_Fife.jpg

[BigBadBrian]

You're a delusional racist crackhead.

So anyone that opposes your boy is a racist?

[Nickdfresh]

So anyone that opposes your boy is a racist?

http://www.pappasontaxes.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/strawman.jpg

[ZahZoo]

So anyone that opposes your boy is a racist?

Not necessarily... but I believe a major majority of the negative bullshit cast against President Obama is racially motivated. I wish people would just be honest and knock off the crap.

The President has served nearly a full term. His eligibility to hold the office was settled long ago. There are so many more important issues that we should be facing. So let's knock off the smokescreen of hatred and racism already.

[ELVIS]

I think it's racist for you to believe that...

[lesfunk]

Not necessarily... but I believe a major majority of the negative bullshit cast against President Obama is racially motivated. I wish people would just be honest and knock off the crap.

I don't think His Black half was the one that got into politics.

[ELVIS]

It was the dumb half...

[FORD]

I don't think His Black half was the one that got into politics.

Maybe his Black half is the one who did the campaigning, and the White half is the one who is actually in office?

At least that would explain why it seems like two entirely different people :(

[jhale667]

I'm a racist ...


We know.

[Jesus Christ]

Still, I think the birth certificate is fake...

Gregory, ye may remember that I was known by the name "Jesus of Nazareth".

Would ye have asked Me for My birth certificate, and then what would have been thy reaction when it said I was born in Bethlehem?

As One who was literally born in a barn, I'm a little sensitive to the issue of making so much out of where somebody was born. (And yes, I know in My case, you mortals hath made a whole Holiday season out of it, with songs about the manger and all....)

[ELVIS]

I don't care where he was born because he's just a puppet in a rigged game...

but that birth certificate is fake as can be...

[Jesus Christ]

The birth certificate is real, Gregory. And ye know that The Messiah cannot lie.

[knuckleboner]

Ok, prove it...

Those of us with our feelings under control have seen quite a bit of evidence to support that it is indeed a fake...

do you ever wonder why boehner and mcconnell and the NRC all ignore the issue? they know that it's insane and makes republicans look like fools. there are plenty of legitimate criticisms of obama. but when you go donald trump-crazy and shout conspiracy theory, people either ignore or laugh at you.

[Nitro Express]

The birth cirtificate is a digital fabrication...

Look it up...

Exactly. it's layers of cut and paste. If it was simply a scanned image of a document it would only have one layer. Even a member of the British House of Lords testified that the digital image of a birth certificate was proven to be a fake.

We could go into all the details but the people who don't want to look at the facts will huddle in their little corner and scream insults because they don't want to know the truth and refuse to acknowledge it no matter how much evidence there is.

I won't even get into the social security number that is someone else's.

Chairman Mao was right. A lie told often enough becomes the truth.

[Nitro Express]

I don't care where he was born because he's just a puppet in a rigged game...

but that birth certificate is fake as can be...

To control a society you have to divide it. The whole birth certificate controversy does exactly that. The thing is I claim no party nor do I consider myself a liberal or conservative. I look at things from neutral territory and I've looked at the arguments on both sides and for me the people who say the birth certificate is a fake have made a good argument. So either some of us accept what we believe to be a fraud to get along or we stand for what we believe to be right regardless of how unpopular that makes us. I choose the latter.

[BigBadBrian]

Not necessarily... but I believe a major majority of the negative bullshit cast against President Obama is racially motivated. I wish people would just be honest and knock off the crap.

You couldn't be more wrong. The opposition to Obama isn't about race, it's about his policies (mostly stupid ones) and politics with him having a "D" for political affiliation. Do you think conservatives would be any nicer to Hillary Clinton if she were President? I guess then Democrats would be whining "Misogyny, Misogyny" at the top of their lungs, right?

Was African-American opposition to George W. Bush to the tune of 90% racially motivated? Your argument says it was.


The President has served nearly a full term. His eligibility to hold the office was settled long ago. There are so many more important issues that we should be facing. So let's knock off the smokescreen of hatred and racism already.

I don't give a shit about Obama's birth certificate. I do think it's funny, however, that Democrats are in a tizzy over Republicans, or at least some of them, playing dirty Chicago-style politics, a game Obama knows all too well.

[Jesus Christ]

...and the bearing of false witness continues......

[Seshmeister]

Even a member of the British House of Lords testified that the digital image of a birth certificate was proven to be a fake.


Even?

Nigel Tufnel is a member of the House of Lords. There are plenty of crazy fuckwits still in that place. :)

[knuckleboner]

I don't give a shit about Obama's birth certificate. I do think it's funny, however, that Democrats are in a tizzy over Republicans, or at least some of them, playing dirty Chicago-style politics, a game Obama knows all too well.

except the birther issue only helps obama. nobody who thinks it's halfway credible would've ever voted for obama, anyways. but the more people try to make it an official line of attack against obama, the more independents say, "wow, those obama critics are nuts." which is ENTIRELY the reason why mainstream republlicans try to steer clear of it.

[BigBadBrian]

except the birther issue only helps obama. nobody who thinks it's halfway credible would've ever voted for obama, anyways. but the more people try to make it an official line of attack against obama, the more independents say, "wow, those obama critics are nuts." which is ENTIRELY the reason why mainstream republlicans try to steer clear of it.

I agree with you there. I don't think you'll be seeing any "birther" attack ads from the Romney campaign.

[qikgts]

I agree with you there. I don't think you'll be seeing any "birther" attack ads from the Romney campaign.

But you will see them from the Article II Political Action Committee...

The best part about that is nobody will know who they are and will naturally associate it with Romney anyway. lol

[Combat Ready]

except the birther issue only helps obama. nobody who thinks it's halfway credible would've ever voted for obama, anyways. but the more people try to make it an official line of attack against obama, the more independents say, "wow, those obama critics are nuts." which is ENTIRELY the reason why mainstream republlicans try to steer clear of it.

Exactly right.

[Jesus Christ]

I agree with you there. I don't think you'll be seeing any "birther" attack ads from the Romney campaign.

Verily, but then there are those in the birther camp who believeth that Barack was born in Hawaii, as he hath documented, but still question his citizenship because his father was from Africa. Willard dare not raise this issue, as his own father was born in Mexico.

My Father was not a citizen of the country where I was born either, so I can relate. :jesuslol:

[fourthcoming]

[chefcraig]

Gregory, ye may remember that I was known by the name "Jesus of Nazareth".


Yeah, but you were at the back of the stage stuck in the rhythm section. Besides, everybody knows it was Dan McCafferty's God-like voice that made the band.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=soDZBW-1P04

[Seshmeister]

Gregory, ye may remember that I was known by the name "Jesus of Nazareth".



Which came first, the mythical figure or the shop?



http://images.cpcache.com/image/39401071.png

[FORD]

I'll bet Sammy Hagar thinks that shop is a church! :biggrin: :cheese:

[LoungeMachine]

A guy going under the name FORD, posing as a mythical creation known as Jesus, on a message board in a thread about something as ridiculous as the POTUS' birth certificate's authenticity is just 19 shades of ironic.....

:gulp:

and he's arguing with Elvis Presley, who it turns out is a male nurse in LA who is a recovering alkie/addict/racist....and STILL ALIVE

I need a drink.

[Hardrock69]

:lmao:

[FORD]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lRZ1ePEmhsk

[ELVIS]

I'm not recovering from anything...

I'm a totally different person than I was back then, and most of the credit goes to God or Allah or whatever name he goes by...

And I'm not racist...


:elvis:

[ashstralia]

tie up your camel.
:biggrin:

[ELVIS]

Exactly...

Gotta STAY FUCKING FROSTY !!


:elvis:

[ashstralia]

we actually agreed on something? well praise the lord and pass the pancakes. :)

[ELVIS]

Pancakes are not good for you...

[FORD]

Depends on what you make them from.

http://www.bobsredmill.com/images/Q/1415C26_f_hr.jpg

...and what you put on top of them, of course.

http://www.tropicaltraditions.com/images/organic%20maple%20syrup.jpg

[jacksmar]

http://www.examiner.com/article/supreme-court-to-hear-case-on-obama-s-alleged-forged-documents?fb_action_ids=478123072255646&fb_action_types=og.likes&fb_source

Supreme Court to review case on Obama's forged documents (Photos)

On Wednesday, Chief Justice John Roberts of the Supreme Court scheduled a birther case brought on by Orly Taitz which calls into question Barack Hussein Obama's eligibility to be president of the United States. Dr. Taitz, a lawyer from Santa Margarita, Calif., also made the announcement on her website on Jan. 9.

Major news networks such as ABC, Fox News, CBS, and NBC have yet to report on the high court's decision to review Obama's eligibility to hold political office in the United States or any of its territories. The case is identified as Edward Noonan, et al., v. Deborah Bowen, California Secretary of State.

On Feb. 15, all nine justices will gather in conference to review whether Obama used forged government documents and fake identification in order to get elected as commander-in-chief. Edward Noonan, et al., contend that if Obama had been ineligible to run in 2008, other Democratic candidates should have replaced him on the presidential ballot. Additionally, electoral votes from states such as California that went towards Obama should have been deemed null and void.

The Supreme Court's website shows that docket file no. 12A606 was originally denied by Justice Anthony Kennedy, a Reagan appointee, on Dec. 13. On Jan. 9, Chief Justice Roberts sent Dr. Taitz's application to the full court for a review scheduled for Feb. 15.

Despite the lack of exposure from the mainstream media, the issue appears to have gained some steam among conservative bloggers. On Jan. 9, New York Times best-selling author Jerome Corsi suggested that the president's nominee to head the Central Intelligence Agency, John Brennan, may have played a role in removing birther evidence from Barack Obama's passport records.

It appears that in 2008, a State Department insider was simultaneously employed by Analysis Corporation of McLean, Va. (then headed by Mr. Brennan) and was reprimanded for accessing (and possibly altering) Obama's passport records.

[Hardrock69]

Heh.....even if they were to decide their was some validity, they would just be paid off by the Obama administration and nothing would ever come of it.

But who knows? Change can happen.


Lyndon Baines Johnson had a vested interest in having Kennedy taken out....as he was only months away from being indicted on charges of fraud and conspiracy to commit murder.....the only thing that possibly COULD have saved him was to have him achieve the presidency, as back then, once you were president, you were considered untouchable.

[Nickdfresh]

...
Major news networks such as ABC, Fox News, CBS, and NBC have yet to report on the high court's decision to review Obama's eligibility to hold political office in the United States or any of its territories. The case is identified as Edward Noonan, et al., v. Deborah Bowen, California Secretary of State.
...

Maybe 'cause it's all bullshit?

[jhale667]

What a bunch of bullshit... Taitz is a psycho.

[VAiN]

I find it pretty interesting though. That PDF that was posted online a year ago was doctored. I deal with that shit all day and can spot a photoshop when I see one.
If he has nothing to hide why doesn't he do the whole transparency thing? It just seems fishy to me.

[Zing!]

Heh.....even if they were to decide their was some validity, they would just be paid off by the Obama administration and nothing would ever come of it.

But who knows? Change can happen.


Lyndon Baines Johnson had a vested interest in having Kennedy taken out....as he was only months away from being indicted on charges of fraud and conspiracy to commit murder.....the only thing that possibly COULD have saved him was to have him achieve the presidency, as back then, once you were president, you were considered untouchable.

Might I recommend 'The Texas Connection' by Craig I. Zirbel. Interesting reading if you like that kind if thing.

[Hardrock69]

Try a book written by one of LBJ's lawyers.......

http://www.amazon.com/Blood-Money-Power-How-Killed/dp/161608197X