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  • ELVIS
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    • Dec 2003
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    GM Ramps Up Risky Subprime Auto Loans To Drive Sales

    Investors Business Daily

    President Obama has touted General Motors (GM) as a successful example of his administration's policies. Yet GM's recovery is built, at least in part, on the increasing use of subprime loans.

    The Obama administration in 2009 bailed out GM to the tune of $50 billion as it went into a managed bankruptcy.

    Near the end of 2010, GM acquired a new captive lending arm, subprime specialist AmeriCredit. Renamed GM Financial, it has played a significant role in GM's growth .

    The automaker is relying increasingly on subprime loans, 10-Q financial reports shows.

    Potential borrowers of car loans are rated on FICO scores that range from 300 to 850. Anything under 660 is generally deemed subprime.

    GM Financial auto loans to customers with FICO scores below 660 rose from 87% of total loans in Q4 2010 to 93% in Q1 2012.

    The worse the FICO score, the bigger the increase. From Q4 2010 to Q1 2012, GM Financial loans to customers with the worst FICO scores — below 540 — shot up 79% to more than $2.3 billion. The second worst category, 540-599, rose 28% from about $3.4 billion to $4.3 billion.

    Prime loans, those above 660, dropped 42% to $676 million.

    GM Financial provides just over 8% of GM's financing. Prior to 2006, GM's captive lending arm was GMAC, but GM sold a controlling stake in 2006. GMAC later renamed itself Ally Financial and continues to provide the bulk of GM's financing.

    At the peak of the credit crisis and recession in late 2008, Ally announced that it would move away from subprime lending.

    By spring 2010 GM's new management, led by North American executive Mark Reuss, wanted to move back into subprime, fearing that GM couldn't compete.

    Subprime lending in cars is not as risky as in housing. Car loans are cheaper, so customers have an easier time making payments. When they do go into default, the cars can be repossessed and sold to recover some of the loss.

    "The subprime market grew as a result of the recession," said GM spokesman Jim Cain. "Our experience, however, is that with proper management they are very good risks."

    He points to GM's credit losses which have not risen above 5.5% since late 2010.

    Nevertheless, since it acquired GM Financial, GM has seen its subprime loans grow from about 4.8% of sales in Q4 2010 to 8.2% in 2012.



  • Nitro Express
    DIAMOND STATUS
    • Aug 2004
    • 32797

    #2
    It was GM's finance division GMAC that broke the company's back. Sure they may have ran with SUV's too long but it was making bad loans that did most the damage.

    Bailouts just buy some time but without letting the market clear out the bad wood nothing gets fixed and they soon burn through the bailout money and continue to make the same bad mistakes. Also, when you know the government will continue to bail you out there is no incentive to be careful.

    Some government loans have worked well. When Lee Iacocca ran Chrysler he got a government loan and paid it back early. He cut his salery and cut waste in opperations even printing the annual report on cheap pulp paper to save money. What I don't see in our society anymore is waste cutting. There is so much waste but we throw these endless bailouts at it and get nowhere.

    I think most people don't care anymore. I think in the past there was a percentage of the population that realized someone eventually was going to have to pay for that loan and how was that going to affect those people. Now we just charge up the ass for tuition and healthcare and don't care that it ruins people's lives. In fact, we are so far gone the politicians use these real problems to lie to us and then make it law we have to pay the racketeers.

    The country is ran by racketeers. If anyone in here did what our politicians and big corporate leaders do we would go to jail. Martha Stewart goes to prison for insider trading but the politicians in Washington who do it don't. We get fined and go to jail for tax evasion, Timothy Geither doesn't.

    This is the problem. The criminals are in control and this is why things get worse.
    No! You can't have the keys to the wine cellar!

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    • Nickdfresh
      SUPER MODERATOR

      • Oct 2004
      • 49136

      #3
      All dealerships have "special financing" for subprime customers. GM merely is doing what everyone else is. In fact, Ford Motor Credit will often buy customers who've mediocre and even bad credit...

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      • baru911
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        • Jun 2012
        • 298

        #4
        Originally posted by Nickdfresh
        All dealerships have "special financing" for subprime customers. GM merely is doing what everyone else is. In fact, Ford Motor Credit will often buy customers who've mediocre and even bad credit...
        So, you're saying is everyone else is doing it so it is OK? If they fail again then all us tax payers will bail out GM again. We did it before. Oh wait, the sales of the Volts will counter the exposure from the sub-prime car loans. The rapid sales of the Volt have proven that. Sure, that's the ticket.
        Just remember boys and girls, to get Nick the Dick and his partner FORD off your porch when they come to your home you just need to pay them for the pizza.

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        • ELVIS
          Banned
          • Dec 2003
          • 44120

          #5
          LMAO!!!

          Nick thinks this is just normal business as usual...

          "they all do it."

          LMAO !!

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          • Nitro Express
            DIAMOND STATUS
            • Aug 2004
            • 32797

            #6
            Originally posted by Nickdfresh
            All dealerships have "special financing" for subprime customers. GM merely is doing what everyone else is. In fact, Ford Motor Credit will often buy customers who've mediocre and even bad credit...
            Very true. They just want to generate loans so they can resell them and resell them and resell them and use the base as collateral for more loans. It's what caused the problem in the first place with mortgages. We haven't fixed a damn thing. The banks are up to the same games but now they have stuck the taxpayer with the losses.
            No! You can't have the keys to the wine cellar!

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            • Nitro Express
              DIAMOND STATUS
              • Aug 2004
              • 32797

              #7
              Originally posted by baru911
              So, you're saying is everyone else is doing it so it is OK? If they fail again then all us tax payers will bail out GM again. We did it before. Oh wait, the sales of the Volts will counter the exposure from the sub-prime car loans. The rapid sales of the Volt have proven that. Sure, that's the ticket.
              The Volt is too expensive. I can see a niche for electric commuting cars but the price would have to be down around $20,000. Petrolium will be king for long range driving but I think an electric car with a top speed of around 85mph and a range of 200 miles would work just fine for most daily in town driving. You will be seeing electric delivery trucks more and more. They are starting to make them.
              No! You can't have the keys to the wine cellar!

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              • ELVIS
                Banned
                • Dec 2003
                • 44120

                #8
                Originally posted by Nitro Express
                The banks are up to the same games but now they have stuck the taxpayer with the losses.
                And they'll do it again...

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                • baru911
                  Head Fluffer
                  • Jun 2012
                  • 298

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Nitro Express
                  The Volt is too expensive. I can see a niche for electric commuting cars but the price would have to be down around $20,000. Petrolium will be king for long range driving but I think an electric car with a top speed of around 85mph and a range of 200 miles would work just fine for most daily in town driving. You will be seeing electric delivery trucks more and more. They are starting to make them.
                  We all know the Volt is too expensive. The vehicle has been sold in other countries and does not sell well there either. In 2+ years of production 35,000 of them have been produced with around 26,000 being on the road world wide. To compare the vehicle to another GM car that was released around the same time take a look at the Chevy Camaro. 1st 12 months sales for the vehicle was 99,872 units. Tells ya that the Volt is not being marketed correctly, is too expensive, and nobody but the Rocky Roads of the world want to own one.
                  Just remember boys and girls, to get Nick the Dick and his partner FORD off your porch when they come to your home you just need to pay them for the pizza.

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                  • Nitro Express
                    DIAMOND STATUS
                    • Aug 2004
                    • 32797

                    #10
                    Originally posted by ELVIS
                    And they'll do it again...
                    It's all illusion. The key for them is to stay in power and grab more power. The problem is when you only have half the population paying the tax and the other half is driving the debt higher and higher, it's unsustainable. Let's just call the banker bailouts what they are. Welfare for the rich. Where the revolt will happen is from the tax paying sector. Not from the rich or the ones on welfare. It's the guy paying the taxes that is fed up and ready to tear throats out.
                    No! You can't have the keys to the wine cellar!

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                    • Nitro Express
                      DIAMOND STATUS
                      • Aug 2004
                      • 32797

                      #11
                      Originally posted by baru911
                      We all know the Volt is too expensive. The vehicle has been sold in other countries and does not sell well there either. In 2+ years of production 35,000 of them have been produced with around 26,000 being on the road world wide. To compare the vehicle to another GM car that was released around the same time take a look at the Chevy Camaro. 1st 12 months sales for the vehicle was 99,872 units. Tells ya that the Volt is not being marketed correctly, is too expensive, and nobody but the Rocky Roads of the world want to own one.
                      If GM came out with a commuting vehicle for $18,000 they would sell well. Something to get you to work and back and run around some. The problem is they want to continue the finance a car you can't really afford model. The problem with cars is they are too expensive for basic models and we need to get the prices down.
                      No! You can't have the keys to the wine cellar!

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                      • Nickdfresh
                        SUPER MODERATOR

                        • Oct 2004
                        • 49136

                        #12
                        Originally posted by baru911
                        So, you're saying is everyone else is doing it so it is OK?
                        Yeah. Are you saying that everyone else can do it but they shouldn't?

                        If they fail again then all us tax payers will bail out GM again. We did it before. Oh wait, the sales of the Volts will counter the exposure from the sub-prime car loans. The rapid sales of the Volt have proven that. Sure, that's the ticket.
                        If they don't sell cars, they fail. Secondly, if GM doesn't do through their financing arm, then the dealership just uses on of "its banks" which may also have been bail-out...

                        WTF does the Volt have to do with any of this?

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                        • Nickdfresh
                          SUPER MODERATOR

                          • Oct 2004
                          • 49136

                          #13
                          Originally posted by ELVIS
                          LMAO!!!

                          Nick thinks this is just normal business as usual...

                          "they all do it."

                          LMAO !!
                          Yeah, um pretty much dummy. According to several friends in F&I, it absolutely is and always has been...

                          This is a non-issue by sour-grapes cunts that can't admit that the Obama Admin's saving of General Motors is an unqualified success and douchebags like Romney were wrong...
                          Last edited by Nickdfresh; 07-29-2012, 06:06 PM.

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                          • Nickdfresh
                            SUPER MODERATOR

                            • Oct 2004
                            • 49136

                            #14
                            Chevy Volt wins drivers' hearts, gets top marks in satisfaction

                            Chevy Volt owners are happier with their cars than any other compact owners in the US, according to a recent survey. The Chevy Volt garnered top marks across a wide range of categories, including performance, style and comfort.


                            By Nikki Gordon-Bloomfield, Guest blogger / July 27, 2012

                            According to a recent, very peppy General Motors ad campaign, many Chevrolet Volt owners are brimming with enthusiasm about their plug-in hybrid.

                            Then again, having Chevy Volt owners evangelize about their cars in an ad designed to sell the plug-in hybrid is hardly a fair yardstick to gauge how Volt owners feel about their cars.

                            But a recent J.D. Power Survey has come to the same conclusion as GM’s own ad: drivers of the 2012 Chevrolet Volt are more satisfied with their new car than any other compact car buyer in the U.S. today.

                            RELATED: 10 coolest cars you've never heard of

                            In its recent 2012 Automotive Performance, Execution and Layout (APEAL) study, which examines owner impressions of their new car 90 days after purchase, J.D. Power and Associates discovered that Volt attracted the highest level of satisfaction in its segment.

                            In its impartial study, J.D. Power noted that the 2012 Chevrolet Volt was awarded a maximum of five stars for its Overall Performance and Design, Features and Instrument Panel, Style, Performance and Comfort.

                            In second place, came the 2012 Volkswagen Golf, while the 2012 Honda CR-Z hybrid coupe came in third.

                            With its win in the compact segment, the 2012 Chevrolet Volt helped Chevrolet win the highest number of segment awards, with the 2012 Avalanche and 2012 Sonic also receiving the top award in the large pickup and subcompact car segments respectively.

                            The Christian Science Monitor

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                            • Nitro Express
                              DIAMOND STATUS
                              • Aug 2004
                              • 32797

                              #15
                              Not to this level. The levels of debt is not business as usual. Then they use debt as collateral for the other loans. It's pretty much a ponzi scheme if you look at what's really going on. Someone gets stuck with the loses and it's not the people who are responsible. Usually they make more money than ever.
                              No! You can't have the keys to the wine cellar!

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