Most Americans say the rich don't pay enough taxes

[Nickdfresh]

By HOPE YEN | Associated Press – 19 hrs ago

WASHINGTON (AP) — As the income gap between rich and poor widens, a majority of Americans say the growing divide is bad for the country and believe that wealthy people are paying too little in taxes, according to a new survey.

The poll released Monday by the Pew Research Center points to a particular challenge for Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney, whose party's policies are viewed by a wide majority as favoring the rich over the middle class and poor.

The poll found that many Americans believe rich people to be intelligent and hardworking but also greedy and less honest than the average American. Nearly six in 10, or 58 percent, say the rich don't pay enough in taxes, while 26 percent believe the rich pay their fair share and 8 percent say they pay too much.

Even among those who describe themselves as "upper class" or "upper middle class," more than half — or 52 percent — said upper-income Americans don't pay enough in taxes; only 10 percent said they paid too much. This upper tier was more likely to say they are more financially secure now than 10 years ago — 62 percent, compared to 44 percent for those who identified themselves as middle class and 29 percent for the lower class. They are less likely to report problems in paying rent or mortgage, losing a job, paying for medical care or other bills and cutting back on household expenses.

The findings come at the start of this week's Republican National Convention and as both Romney and President Barack Obama seek to appeal to a broad swath of financially struggling voters who identify as middle class. Romney supports an extension of Bush-era tax cuts for everyone including the wealthiest 2 percent, and says his policies will benefit the middle class by boosting the economy and creating jobs.

"The fact that Romney may be viewed as wealthy doesn't necessarily pose problems for his candidacy," said Kim Parker, associate director of Pew Social & Demographic Trends, noting that people see the wealthy as having both positive and negative attributes. "The challenge for Romney lies more in the fact that large majorities say if he is elected president, his policies would likely benefit the wealthy."

The results reinforce a tide of recent economic data showing a widening economic divide. America's middle class has been shrinking in the stagnant economy and poverty is now approaching 1960s highs, while wealth concentrates at the top. A separate Pew survey earlier this year found that tensions between the rich and poor were increasing and at their most intense level in nearly a quarter-century.

In fact, well-off people do shoulder a big share of the tax burden. Though households earning over $1 million annually comprise just 0.3 percent of all taxpayers, they pay 20 percent of all federal taxes the government is projected to collect this year, according to the Tax Policy Center, a nonpartisan group that studies tax policy. The figures included income, payroll and estate taxes. In contrast, households earning $50,000 to $75,000 a year accounted for 12 percent of taxpayers and contributed 9 percent of federal taxes, the center's data showed. Some 46 percent of households pay no federal income tax at all, although they do pay payroll, excise and other taxes.

The American income tax system has long been designed to be progressive, meaning higher earners are expected to pay a greater share of their income than those making less.

In this year's tax battle in Washington, Obama wants to let the current top rate of 35 percent for high earners rise to 39.6 percent next year. Congressional Republicans would reduce the top rate to 25 percent, while Romney would reduce it to 28 percent. Romney and GOP lawmakers have said they would eliminate some deductions to pay for the rate reductions, but have not specified which ones.

According to Pew's latest findings, about 63 percent of Americans say the GOP favors the rich over the middle class and poor, and 71 percent say Romney's election would be good for wealthy people. A smaller share, 20 percent, says the same about the Democratic Party. More Americans — 60 percent — say if Obama is re-elected his policies will benefit the poor, while half say they'll help the middle class and 37 percent say they'll boost the wealthy.

"The Great Recession was not an equal opportunity disemployer," said Sheldon Danziger, a public policy professor at the University of Michigan who describes the gap between rich and poor as the widest in decades. "College graduates, whites and middle-aged workers had fewer and shorter layoffs than high school graduates, blacks, Hispanics and younger workers. And, only a small percentage of the rich work in the hardest-hit industries, like construction and manufacturing."

About 65 percent of Americans say the gap between rich and poor has gotten wider in the past decade, while 20 percent believe it has stayed the same and 7 percent say the gap has gotten smaller. Separately, 57 percent say a widening income gap is a bad thing for society; just 3 percent say it is a good thing.

Asked to estimate how much a family of four would need to earn to be considered wealthy in their area, the median amount given by survey respondents was $150,000. For middle class, the median amount was $70,000.

Many Americans see rich people as more likely to be intelligent (43 percent) and hardworking (42 percent) than average Americans. But the rich are also seen as more likely to be greedy (55 percent). Thirty-four percent of those surveyed say the rich are less likely to be honest than the average person; just 12 percent say the rich are more likely to be honest.

The Pew survey involved telephone interviews with 2,508 adults conducted from July 16 to 26. It has a margin of error of 2.8 percentage points.

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AP Deputy Director of Polling Jennifer Agiesta and reporter Alan Fram contributed to this report.

Yahoo.com (http://news.yahoo.com/most-americans-rich-dont-pay-enough-taxes-160833705.html)

[Nickdfresh]

Many Americans see rich people as more likely to be intelligent (43 percent) and hardworking (42 percent) than average Americans.

What about the ones who've inherited it?

[ELVIS]

Most Americans say the rich don't pay enough taxes

Because the corporate media propaganda machine, or CMPM© brainwashed them into thinking that...


:elvis:

[Nickdfresh]

Because the corporate media propaganda machine, or CMPM© brainwashed them into thinking that...


:elvis:

Like Rupert Murdoch? Why would the "corporate media", owned primarily by the rich, want to brainwash anybody into forcing them to pay more taxes? Do you ever actually think about how stupid you sound when you type nonsensical bullshit?

[ELVIS]

Why would the "corporate media", owned primarily by the rich, want to brainwash anybody into forcing them to pay more taxes?

That's going into my signature you stupid fuck...


:biggrin:

[Nickdfresh]

That's going into my signature you stupid fuck...


:biggrin:

Good. Now you can be reminded about how continually retarded you sound with your dumb theories. Incidentally, Alex Jones also qualifies and "corporate media", you sister-diddler. He's making plenty of bank on dolts like you, and the Star™...

[FORD]

What about the ones who've inherited it?

Exactly....

Paris Hilton & Chimpy Bush are certainly rich. But nobody would mistake either one for intelligent.

And both are walking advertisements for the need of an inheritance tax.

[ELVIS]

alex jones also qualifies and "corporate media"

lmao !!

[Redballjets88]

I understand the idea of millionaires and billionaires paying more than 1% (which in reality is rare, unless crime is involved in which case the gov is failing us by not finding/prosecuting the crime) but when a family combines to make 250k an they pay 80k in taxes please don't expect them to find it fair and vote for the guy who wants to raise their taxes

[motherchicken]

I'm poor. Poor as shit. Got back more than I paid every year for years now. But I don't that that rich people should pay a higher percentage of their earnings just because they have more to give. A flat tax rate with no loopholes is the only truly fair way to tax people. Figuring out how to do this probably not so easy.

[Redballjets88]

I am also poor as shit and I'd rather give to taxes than give money to those who choose not to work hard enough to make their own way

[ZahZoo]

I'm poor. Poor as shit. Got back more than I paid every year for years now. But I don't that that rich people should pay a higher percentage of their earnings just because they have more to give. A flat tax rate with no loopholes is the only truly fair way to tax people. Figuring out how to do this probably not so easy.

I understand paying any tax on a low income hurts deeply... but I also do not believe anyone should ever get back more than they paid... ever. If that's really the case then get over here and mow my damn lawn!! You owe me and lot of other people...

A simple flat tax is really the way I think is fair. Just to make it real simple... income is income whether it's earned working or earned from investments. Also doesn't matter where it's earned here or abroad.

[ELVIS]

But c'mon Zah...

Quite a few, or even most people don't know enough about the tax code and their own income to accurately determine whether or not they got back more than they paid in...

People are stupid...

Take asshale for example...

[Angel]

I understand paying any tax on a low income hurts deeply... but I also do not believe anyone should ever get back more than they paid... ever.

I agree with you on that one. You can't get back a penny more than you pay in here, and your income has to be ridiculously low to be able to get it all back. Unless you're rich, then there's more loopholes. But even then I don't think anyone above the poverty line gets it all back because the higher your income, the higher your tax bracket.

[motherchicken]

I agree with you on that one. You can't get back a penny more than you pay in here, and your income has to be ridiculously low to be able to get it all back. Unless you're rich, then there's more loopholes. But even then I don't think anyone above the poverty line gets it all back because the higher your income, the higher your tax bracket.
I cleary said I was poor as shit. I didn't cheat on my taxes to get more back than I paid. They just gave it to me. But I don't feel bad in the least. Before I wised up and started claiming zero dependants I owed every year. No refund. Just another bill.

[Nickdfresh]

I understand paying any tax on a low income hurts deeply... but I also do not believe anyone should ever get back more than they paid... ever. If that's really the case then get over here and mow my damn lawn!! You owe me and lot of other people...

The alternative seems to be a massive, continuing polarization of wealth and the impending destruction of the middle class. I agree this might not be the best way to address those issues in a world were corporations often pay little in taxes and people who inherent their wealth pay far less than average and the average workers' salary has remained flat since the 1970's while CEO's salaries have skyrocketed and companies are more profitable than they've ever been. But only discussing jerked-off tax policies while certain parties cut out the wider implications of the above for the future sort of plays into the hands of those swindling, er lobbying, the gov't for their own interests...



A simple flat tax is really the way I think is fair. Just to make it real simple... income is income whether it's earned working or earned from investments. Also doesn't matter where it's earned here or abroad.

A simple flat tax would mean the poor and middle classes spend a far greater amount of their income in taxes than would the wealthy, detrimental when it is consumerism of the middle classes that drives the economy!

[binnie]

I think that Zah was meaning a flat % rate of tax, Nick. That way everyone would pay the same proportion of their income.

That's all well in principle, but it seems to me that in a fair society, those with more should contribute more. Otherwise the rich tend to get richer, and the poor tend to get poorer.

[ELVIS]

How much more ??

[ZahZoo]

A simple flat tax would mean the poor and middle classes spend a far greater amount of their income in taxes than would the wealthy, detrimental when it is consumerism of the middle classes that drives the economy!

I don't agree necessarily for middle-class... poor, yes, paying something would be far greater than nothing or getting more back than they pay in.

As Binnie clarified, thanks, I was talking a flat percentage tax. Level the playing field, eliminate all loopholes, distribute everything fairly across the board. In my idea, the core economic driver of our economy would end up paying less taxes than today and put more money back into this stalled economy.

Example earning and tax payment:

Today:
Poor Motherchickenshit = ~$24k - pays 0% - (-2%)
Middle class = $24-100K - 15-28%
Upper Middle class = $100k - $250k - 28-33%
Rich (employed) = $250k and up - 33-35%
Rich (Investor) = $250k and up - 5-15%

My plan:
Poor Motherchickenshit = ~$24k - pays 10%
Middle class = $24-100K - 10%
Upper Middle class = $100k - $250k - 10%
Rich (employed) = $250k and up - 10%
Rich (Investor) = $250k and up - 10%

Sure it hurts the poor some but no worse than it hurts anyone else. Remove the loopholes and a huge amount of investment income generates huge increases from the "rich".

If we have to have some form of progressive rate then just set it flat of 10% for up to $250K, 15% for $250K - $1m, 20% for over $1million.

[ELVIS]

250K is not "rich."

[Nickdfresh]

I think that Zah was meaning a flat % rate of tax, Nick. That way everyone would pay the same proportion of their income.

...

But paying the same percentage isn't really paying the same percentage, that's why Western countries have the progressive system...

[Nickdfresh]

I don't agree necessarily for middle-class... poor, yes, paying something would be far greater than nothing or getting more back than they pay in.

As Binnie clarified, thanks, I was talking a flat percentage tax. Level the playing field, eliminate all loopholes, distribute everything fairly across the board. In my idea, the core economic driver of our economy would end up paying less taxes than today and put more money back into this stalled economy.

Example earning and tax payment:

Today:
Poor Motherchickenshit = ~$24k - pays 0% - (-2%)
Middle class = $24-100K - 15-28%
Upper Middle class = $100k - $250k - 28-33%
Rich (employed) = $250k and up - 33-35%
Rich (Investor) = $250k and up - 5-15%

My plan:
Poor Motherchickenshit = ~$24k - pays 10%
Middle class = $24-100K - 10%
Upper Middle class = $100k - $250k - 10%
Rich (employed) = $250k and up - 10%
Rich (Investor) = $250k and up - 10%

Sure it hurts the poor some but no worse than it hurts anyone else. Remove the loopholes and a huge amount of investment income generates huge increases from the "rich".

If we have to have some form of progressive rate then just set it flat of 10% for up to $250K, 15% for $250K - $1m, 20% for over $1million.


It hurts the poor and is a complete boon for the rich who basically just sit on their money. The flat tax is just a really bad idea that sounds great until you actually think about it and do the research. As far as the whoa the rich taxes argument, they pay far less than they did under Ike in the 50's and recycle far less of their income back into society than the middle class does....

[BigBadBrian]

It hurts the poor and is a complete boon for the rich who basically just sit on their money. The flat tax is just a really bad idea that sounds great until you actually think about it and do the research.

OK, we're listening.

[FORD]

It's really simple.....

Back when the rich had to actually pay taxes, the best way to avoid paying taxes was to put the money back into their business, which could be deducted.

And even if Glass Stegal didn't exist at the time, there would have been no Las Vegas casino speculation on Wall Street, because what would be the point in swindling millions of dollars if 91% of it went to taxes?

We really need to return to the Eisenhower era tax rates on the rich, in order to kill the Gold Mansacks beast which is destroying this country.

[BigBadBrian]

As far as the whoa the rich taxes argument, they pay far less than they did under Ike in the 50's and recycle far less of their income back into society than the middle class does....

As far as taxes under IKE: The top marginal rate during WWII was like 91%. Taxes, even under Ike, slowly but steadily dropped. They really dropped under Kennedy/Johnson. Don't people think that taking 70-91% of a person's income is immoral?

As it stands, raising the rates another 4% to where they were under Slick Willy WILL NOT solve our deficit problem.

[FORD]

As far as taxes under IKE: The top marginal rate during WWII was like 91%. Taxes, even under Ike, slowly but steadily dropped. They really dropped under Kennedy/Johnson. Don't people think that taking 70-91% of a person's income is immoral?

What is far more immoral, are rich bastards who sit on trillions of dollars (collectively) rather than put it back into the economy, because they know they won't be taxed on it. Or severely undertaxed on what they can't dodge. And what's even more immoral than that are the speculating cocksuckers at Gold Mansacks and similar shitholes who produce nothing, contribute nothing, yet drive the prices up on EVERYTHING. If they had to pay 91% tax, or even 70%, this bullshit would stop immediately.


As it stands, raising the rates another 4% to where they were under Slick Willy WILL NOT solve our deficit problem.

Slick Willy left the White House with a surplus. If Chimpy's tax "cuts" for tax dodgers and Chimpy's wars were ended, it would instantly cut the deficit in half.

[BigBadBrian]

FORD, have you read that book on economics yet? Evidently not. :gulp:

[Nickdfresh]

As far as taxes under IKE: The top marginal rate during WWII was like 91%. Taxes, even under Ike, slowly but steadily dropped. They really dropped under Kennedy/Johnson. Don't people think that taking 70-91% of a person's income is immoral?

I never said it wasn't. However, read Ford's caveat. Most weren't dumb enough to actually pay that and kept most of their wealth by reinvestment and deductions...you really think the frigging Rockefellers ever paid 91%?


As it stands, raising the rates another 4% to where they were under Slick Willy WILL NOT solve our deficit problem.

Neither will bullshit cuts of entitlement programs, although by cutting such programs one is actually reducing disposable income from the poor and seniors...

[Nickdfresh]

OK, we're listening.

Turning to flat tax would be unfair
Published 8:00 p.m., Sunday, November 13, 2011

Thirty years ago, about 10 percent of total income went to the top 1 percent of Americans. As of 2005, more than 20 percent of total income went to the top 1 percent. Furthermore, tax rates on the top 1 percent of Americans are lower than they were 30 years ago.

The wealthiest 20 percent of American households own 85 percent of our nation's wealth.

Since America has so much debt, logic would suggest that we raise taxes on the very top, have more tax brackets and treat all sorts of income the same. Capital gains require no labor, and the capital gains tax is a big loophole because it's taxed at 15 percent. Our tax code honors earnings of capital gains more than it honors the earnings of labor. Real tax reform would treat all taxes exactly the same.

The IRS found that the 400 richest families in America are sitting on a total wealth that is greater than the total wealth of the bottom 150 million families. They have huge incomes, but are paying on average a 17 percent tax rate, because of the capital gains loophole.

Our tax system isn't progressive, it's regressive. Poor people are paying huge shares of their income in Social Security, payroll taxes and sales taxes. It's unfair and a flat tax would make it even more so.

Jim O'Leary

Read more: Times Union (http://www.timesunion.com/opinion/article/Turning-to-flat-tax-would-be-unfair-2267369.php#ixzz253GmlKEP)




FORD, have you read that book on economics yet?

Have you?

Evidently not. :gulp:

[FORD]

Brian doesn't understand big words, so here's something he can understand..... cartoons!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUGJmo7XzS8

This is how it used to work, before the BCE fucked it all up.

[binnie]

250K is not "rich."

That is the problem with the whole argument. 'Rich' and 'poor' are very subjective terms, so we'll never agree on where the tax boundaries should be.

To me, $250K is certainly wealthy. That's doctor and lawyer money where I'm from, and around 6 times higher than the average wage in the UK. But 'rich'? Who knows.....

[ELVIS]

My neighbor makes that kind of money and has nine kids...

They're by no means rich...

My wife and I have more play money than they do...

But it's funny watching these libs decide what should be done with other peoples money, claiming that all wealthy people do is sit on their money...

Idiots...


:biggrin:

[ZahZoo]

I know I used that "rich" term in my simplistic tax plan post... Obviously "rich" is subjective and there's no financial scale to classify someone in the $250K income range.

There's a clear differentiation between a single person making $250k and a family with 9 kids... I'd put the single unit at damn well off or damn close to rich.

Where the family of 11... average middle class. But the sad part is if both parties earn that rate via employment rather than investments... they are paying the highest tax rates in the US. The family w/ 9 kids is no better off because the child tax credits start getting cut at $110k and disappear at about $170k no matter how many kids you have.

[binnie]

I know I used that "rich" term in my simplistic tax plan post... Obviously "rich" is subjective and there's no financial scale to classify someone in the $250K income range.

There's a clear differentiation between a single person making $250k and a family with 9 kids... I'd put the single unit at damn well off or damn close to rich.

Where the family of 11... average middle class. But the sad part is if both parties earn that rate via employment rather than investments... they are paying the highest tax rates in the US. The family w/ 9 kids is no better off because the child tax credits start getting cut at $110k and disappear at about $170k no matter how many kids you have.

The simple answer here would be not to have 9 kids. :D Or only have the kids you can acutally afford on your income (which seems the responsible thing to do).

Of course there are varities with individual examples and so on, but it seems fair that those who earn more should pay more (within reason). As with most political debates, however, emotive language - 'rich'/'poor' - becomes involved and reason goes out of the window.

[ELVIS]

Or make sure you don't make too much money just to hand it over to the federal charity system...

[Nickdfresh]

Or if you make $250K, don't try to live like you make $300K...

[FORD]

My neighbor makes that kind of money and has nine kids...



If somebody has nine kids without already being rich beforehand, then the correct term for such a person is "batshit crazy".

And considering such a person is likely Mormon, Catholic, or some other contraception-phobic church, religiously batshit crazy would be more accurate.

[Redballjets88]

If somebody has nine kids without already being rich beforehand, then the correct term for such a person is "batshit crazy".

And considering such a person is likely Mormon, Catholic, or some other contraception-phobic church, religiously batshit crazy would be more accurate.

Black or Mexican. Historically large families/lacking on the birth control front

[FORD]

Black or Mexican. Historically large families/lacking on the birth control front

Well, the Mexicans would definitely be Catholic, so as I said..... religiously insane.

[Angel]

I cleary said I was poor as shit. I didn't cheat on my taxes to get more back than I paid. They just gave it to me. But I don't feel bad in the least. Before I wised up and started claiming zero dependants I owed every year. No refund. Just another bill.

I didn't say you cheated, I said that in Canada you cannot get back more than you paid...

[fifth element]

Because the corporate media propaganda machine, or CMPM© brainwashed them into thinking that...


:elvis:


people have "thought that" for years....and is not the media propaganda machine that did the damage.

instead, is little things like seeing the methods used for the rich to GET richer and the ones that corporate America uses to keep the poor poor.

[fifth element]

Turning to flat tax would be unfair
Published 8:00 p.m., Sunday, November 13, 2011

Thirty years ago, about 10 percent of total income went to the top 1 percent of Americans. As of 2005, more than 20 percent of total income went to the top 1 percent. Furthermore, tax rates on the top 1 percent of Americans are lower than they were 30 years ago.

The wealthiest 20 percent of American households own 85 percent of our nation's wealth.

Since America has so much debt, logic would suggest that we raise taxes on the very top, have more tax brackets and treat all sorts of income the same. Capital gains require no labor, and the capital gains tax is a big loophole because it's taxed at 15 percent. Our tax code honors earnings of capital gains more than it honors the earnings of labor. Real tax reform would treat all taxes exactly the same.

The IRS found that the 400 richest families in America are sitting on a total wealth that is greater than the total wealth of the bottom 150 million families. They have huge incomes, but are paying on average a 17 percent tax rate, because of the capital gains loophole.

Our tax system isn't progressive, it's regressive. Poor people are paying huge shares of their income in Social Security, payroll taxes and sales taxes. It's unfair and a flat tax would make it even more so.

Jim O'Leary

Read more: Times Union (http://www.timesunion.com/opinion/article/Turning-to-flat-tax-would-be-unfair-2267369.php#ixzz253GmlKEP)







Have you?

Evidently not. :gulp:

the IRS is against the idea of a flat tax because in having oine we would essentially do away w/ the need for the IRS.

http://www.fairtax.org/site/PageServer?pagename=about_bills

[motherchicken]

I didn't say you cheated, I said that in Canada you cannot get back more than you paid...
Nor did I take it that way. They just gave it to me. And I damn sure took it.

[motherchicken]

But c'mon Zah...

Quite a few, or even most people don't know enough about the tax code and their own income to accurately determine whether or not they got back more than they paid in...

People are stupid...

Take asshale for example...
You'd have to be illiterate for that to be the truth. Your W-2 clealy breaks down how much you made, how much was taken out, etc. No matter how complicated the codes are you still know the bottom line.

[motherchicken]

But paying the same percentage isn't really paying the same percentage,
What kind of fucked up bullshit logic is that? You sure you're not a politician?

[ZahZoo]

the IRS is against the idea of a flat tax because in having oine we would essentially do away w/ the need for the IRS.

http://www.fairtax.org/site/PageServer?pagename=about_bills

That's quite true... In addition, it would cause a serious economic impact to all of the huge accounting and tax preparation industry supporting this complex tax system we've burdened ourselves with. But to me that's still not a good reason to keep doing what we're doing... over-haul and let the market adjust from the downsizing of the IRS and the sub-industry it spawned!!

[Nickdfresh]

What kind of fucked up bullshit logic is that? You sure you're not a politician?

Go back to fucking your mansock and deliberating who makes the best floor buffer...

[ELVIS]

What kind of fucked up bullshit logic is that? You sure you're not a politician?

That depends on what you're definition of "fucked up bullshit logic" is...


:biggrin:

[Nickdfresh]

Maybe Alex Jones can tell us? That way no one has to actually think for themselves or use esoteric critical thinking skills...

[motherchicken]

Maybe Alex Jones can tell us? That way no one has to actually think for themselves or use esoteric critical thinking skills...
Does he make assinine statement like "paying the same percentage isn't really paying the same percentage" like you do? If that's how you think for yourself you might consider outsourcing.

[FORD]

Does he make assinine statement like "paying the same percentage isn't really paying the same percentage" like you do? If that's how you think for yourself you might consider outsourcing.

Let's break down the math here into terms you can understand.....

YOU go to WalMart and buy a 6 pack of tube socks.

Mittens tells Bain Capital to buy the company that makes the socks.

Now the Internal Laundromat Service wants 33% of your socks.

If Mittens doesn't dodge his sock tax or stash half of his socks overseas, and actually pays his 33%, he's still got a lot of socks left over.

But if you have to give up 2 pairs of socks out of your 6 pack, that's two days next week that you can't get laid :sockfucker:

So is a flat sock tax fair, or not?

[motherchicken]

Let's break down the math here into terms you can understand.....

YOU go to WalMart and buy a 6 pack of tube socks.

Mittens tells Bain Capital to buy the company that makes the socks.

Now the Internal Laundromat Service wants 33% of your socks.

If Mittens doesn't dodge his sock tax or stash half of his socks overseas, and actually pays his 33%, he's still got a lot of socks left over.

But if you have to give up 2 pairs of socks out of your 6 pack, that's two days next week that you can't get laid :sockfucker:

So is a flat sock tax fair, or not?
And this has what to do with "paying the same percentage is not paying the same percentage"? The percentage doesn't change only the amount that the percentage calculates to changes.
I understand that 10% of a persons income making 100,000 dollars a year although a lesser amount than 10% of what a person making 1,000.000 is more of a burden considering what's left. One person has 90,000 left, the other has 900,000. But why should the guy with 900,000 left give up more than he's already given just because he has it?

[So this is love]

....to all the soldiers in here that have the energy to argue day in and day out about what America has to offer politically..........I salute you! :clap::yo:

[ELVIS]

But why should the guy with 900,000 left give up more than he's already given just because he has it?

He shouldn't...

[FORD]

He shouldn't...

OK.... guess we have to break out an example that Elvis can understand too....

You have 10 Yingyang Egosteen CD's.

Best Buy's corporate warehouse has 1 million YingYang Egosteen CD's.

If both you and Best Buy have to give up 10% of your YingYang Egosteen CD's, who is losing more?

[motherchicken]

He shouldn't...
No Shit. If someone wants to pay more taxes because they feel morally obligated then they should be able to. But that shouldn't obligate someone else with a different opinion. The same with the concept you should feel morally obligated to reinvest your extra income back into society. If you feel like it, do it. If it's your money you should be able to do whatever you want with it. As long as it's legal that is.

[motherchicken]

OK.... guess we have to break out an example that Elvis can understand too....

You have 10 Yingyang Egosteen CD's.

Best Buy's corporate warehouse has 1 million YingYang Egosteen CD's.

If both you and Best Buy have to give up 10% of your YingYang Egosteen CD's, who is losing more?
Trick question. No one is the correct answer. Those CD's are worthless.

[motherchicken]

OK.... guess we have to break out an example that Elvis can understand too....

You have 10 Yingyang Egosteen CD's.

Best Buy's corporate warehouse has 1 million YingYang Egosteen CD's.

If both you and Best Buy have to give up 10% of your YingYang Egosteen CD's, who is losing more?
It's not a matter of not understanding. You think people who make more money should pay a higher percentage of taxes simply because they have it to spend. I disagree.

[ELVIS]

So do I...

[FORD]

Trick question. No one is the correct answer. Those CD's are worthless.

That's not the point, sockfucker!

[FORD]

OK, if mathematics won't convince you, how about Scripture.....

For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required - Jesus H. Christ, Luke 12:48

[ELVIS]

He wasn't talking about money...

[FORD]

He certainly was when He said "Render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar's".

[ELVIS]

We don't have a Caesar...

But how bout you voluntarily double your own tax burden ??

[FORD]

You know the context of what He was saying. Caesar = the government. Render= Pay your damn taxes.

[Nickdfresh]

fucking slow site!

[Nickdfresh]

Does he make assinine statement like "paying the same percentage isn't really paying the same percentage" like you do? If that's how you think for yourself you might consider outsourcing.

You're retarded. I could go on regarding the progressive tax system based on income to spending ratios, but Ford has adequately put it into terms you can readily understand...

[Seshmeister]

He certainly was when He said "Render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar's".

Since Constantine promoted the Christian religion as a way to help him govern by uniting the different superstitions of people and this happened at the same time as the contents of the New Testament were being decided then I think there is a pretty decent chance he inserted that line... :)

[baru911]

Noting that the CBO reported that wealthy Americans earn about 50 percent of all income but pay nearly 70 percent of the federal tax burden how in the world could anyone expect them to pay more? The CBO looked at 2007 through 2009 taxes and found the bottom 20 percent of American earners paid just three-tenths of a percent of the total tax burden, while the richest 20 percent paid 67.9 percent of taxes.

Look I'm all about helping other but its time for all Americans to step up to the plate. Stating that "rich people" need to pay more is striking as they currently pay almost 70% of the taxes. What % seems fair to you liberal/progressive nuts? 80%, 90%...100%? Fuck that. People riding on others coat tails needs to stop. Why? The CBO reported this during the same study on income and taxes...On average, the lowest 40 percent of earners actually get money back through the income-tax code because of refundable tax credits. How the fuck do you get money back when you aren't paying in? It should be a net sum of zero if you aren't paying in then you should be getting anything back.

I'd be more than happy to move into a flat sales tax and scrapping the current tax code.

[ELVIS]

Oh no, not facts !!!

[motherchicken]

You're retarded. I could go on regarding the progressive tax system based on income to spending ratios, but Ford has adequately put it into terms you can readily understand...
You're the one with the brainpower deficiancy. 10%=10%, 20%=20% and so on. I have already expained this in terms a 5th grader would understand. I guess you're not smarter (or as smart as) a 5th grader. I think the problem here is terminology. Let me research.

[ELVIS]

No the problem is the liberal agenda...

[FORD]

The only people who should pay 100% taxes are inheritance rich leeches three generations down the line or more.

If the inheritance tax worked the way it should, we wouldn't have to worry about the BCE ever again. Or the Rockefellers, Or even the Kennedys for that matter (now you right wingers can't accuse me of bias) although I don't think there are many of them left anyway.

Just imagine a world where someone like Paris Hilton or Chimpy Bush didn't get to coast by in a life of priveledge because of what their grandfather did.

Well, actually that's not a fair comparison. Owning hotels really isn't the same thing as funding Hitler.

[FORD]

No the problem is the liberal agenda...

The liberal agenda, sadly, hasn't had any power in this country for over 30 years.

Coincidentally that's exactly when the toilet death spiral started. Do the math. Or the meth, in Sockfucker's case.

[ELVIS]

Why are you he'll bent on taking money from people ??

[FORD]

Why are you he'll bent on taking money from people ??

Funny how you never ask that question of the BCE, or BAIN Capital, or the Wall Street felons, or the criminal health care industry that you yourself admit is CORRUPT, or anyone else who has robbed you blind for the last 32 years.

[ELVIS]

Hell even...

Fucking iPhone...

[ELVIS]

A government can't take care of people, FORD...

[ELVIS]

And no one has robbed me blind...

[FORD]

And no one has robbed me blind...

By your own admission, you were a fucking NURSE whose employer didn't provide health care.

That's Stevie Wonder level blindness right there alone.

[Nickdfresh]

You're the one with the brainpower deficiancy. 10%=10%, 20%=20% and so on. I have already expained this in terms a 5th grader would understand.

Please stay away from 5th graders. They're smarter than you, though...


I guess you're not smarter (or as smart as) a 5th grader. I think the problem here is terminology. Let me research.

I think the problem here is that you are an uneducated fucktard with the inability to figure out anything but how to pop Viagra for a nice sock...

[Nickdfresh]

[QUOTE=baru911;1689512]Noting that the CBO reported that wealthy Americans earn about 50 percent of all income but pay nearly 70 percent of the federal tax burden how in the world could anyone expect them to pay more? The CBO looked at 2007 through 2009 taxes and found the bottom 20 percent of American earners paid just three-tenths of a percent of the total tax burden, while the richest 20 percent paid 67.9 percent of taxes....['/quote]

What is your definition of "wealthy." The pay 70%? They OWN 85%!

[motherchicken]

I think the problem here is that you are an uneducated fucktard with the inability to figure out anything but how to pop Viagra for a nice sock...And you're the genious who makes assinine statement like "the same percentage isn't really the same percentage". Come right out and say what you really fucking mean. You and other people like you think the more money you make the higher percentage you should have to pay in taxes. Why? Simply because you have it. Your tune would damn sure change if it was your money. What is that? Some twisted Robin Hood theory? Take from the rich and give to the government for them to waste. You're an idiot. An envious idiot.

[Blaze]

Noting that the CBO reported that wealthy Americans earn about 50 percent of all income but pay nearly 70 percent of the federal tax burden how in the world could anyone expect them to pay more? The CBO looked at 2007 through 2009 taxes and found the bottom 20 percent of American earners paid just three-tenths of a percent of the total tax burden, while the richest 20 percent paid 67.9 percent of taxes.

Look I'm all about helping other but its time for all Americans to step up to the plate. Stating that "rich people" need to pay more is striking as they currently pay almost 70% of the taxes. What % seems fair to you liberal/progressive nuts? 80%, 90%...100%? Fuck that. People riding on others coat tails needs to stop. Why? The CBO reported this during the same study on income and taxes...On average, the lowest 40 percent of earners actually get money back through the income-tax code because of refundable tax credits. How the fuck do you get money back when you aren't paying in? It should be a net sum of zero if you aren't paying in then you should be getting anything back.

I'd be more than happy to move into a flat sales tax and scrapping the current tax code.
I'd like to audit that information please.

[motherchicken]

Just imagine a world where someone like Paris Hilton or Chimpy Bush didn't get to coast by in a life of priveledge because of what their grandfather did.


Jealous of those rich people that got all their money from their parents or grandparents or even great grandparents because you didn't get any? Dig em up and kick the shit out of their remains. It's their fault you aren't rich and famous like Paris and Chimpy.

[baru911]

[QUOTE=baru911;1689512]Noting that the CBO reported that wealthy Americans earn about 50 percent of all income but pay nearly 70 percent of the federal tax burden how in the world could anyone expect them to pay more? The CBO looked at 2007 through 2009 taxes and found the bottom 20 percent of American earners paid just three-tenths of a percent of the total tax burden, while the richest 20 percent paid 67.9 percent of taxes....['/quote]

What is your definition of "wealthy." The pay 70%? They OWN 85%!

Who care who owns what? I'm supposed to feel bad because either I or someone in my family worked hard enough to get into the position of owning something or creating something that allowed me and/or my family to become rich? Should I hate on Bill Gates because he was smart enough to come up with an operating system that made IBM's new computer work and he was smart enough not to sell it to them but license it? How about Warren Buffett? Should I hate on him because he studied stocks and companies and was smart enough to find winners in the stock market and build Berkshire Hathaway? How about George Soros? How about the Koch brothers? No wait, I should hate on Sam Walton or his children for Wal-Mart. Sure.

Take a look at the top 10 richest Americans. That ain't old money. That's people earning it.

According to Forbes 9-21-11 list
1) Bill Gates
2) Warren Buffett
3) Larry Ellison
4) Charles Koch
5) David Koch
6) Christy Walton
7) George Soros
8) Sheldon Adelson
9) Jim Walton
10) Alice Walton

[baru911]

I'd like to audit that information please.

Since you are liberal and have grown up in a world in which you expect others to do your work I guess it was too hard for you to type into a search engine "CBO 2009 Tax Report". I understand the world in which you live simple needs to serve you as you can't think nor take care of yourself. Thus, as a self-reliant evil capitalist who worked hard to build something in his life I'll have to provide you with a link to the study as I provide everything else in our ever increasing "You owe me something even though I never worked for it society".

Link:
http://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/files/cbofiles/attachments/43373-06-11-HouseholdIncomeandFedTaxes.pdf

Read page 3 heading Distribution of Federal Taxes Across Income Scale, second paragraph...."In 2009, households in the highest quintile received 50.8 percent of before-tax income and paid 67.9 percent of federal taxes; households in the top 1 percent received 13.4 percent of income and paid 22.3 percent of taxes (see Figure 2 on page 9)."

Same page, same paragraph...."Households in the bottom quintile received 5.1 percent of income and paid 0.3 percent of taxes,...."

Sure, both the CBO and I are making this up.

[Nickdfresh]

Since you are liberal and have grown up in a world in which you expect others to do your work I guess it was too hard for you to type into a search engine "CBO 2009 Tax Report".

Do my work? No, I just expect you not to be a lazy, incompetent and to post your own links, dick...


I understand the world in which you live simple needs to serve you as you can't think nor take care of yourself. Thus, as a self-reliant evil capitalist who worked hard to build something in his life I'll have to provide you with a link to the study as I provide everything else in our ever increasing "You owe me something even though I never worked for it society".

Thanks asshole whose claimed previous career was based on gov't handout contracts and war-profiteering...you know, gov't make-work programs paid for by federal taxes that increase the deficit?


Link:
http://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/files/cbofiles/attachments/43373-06-11-HouseholdIncomeandFedTaxes.pdf

Read page 3 heading Distribution of Federal Taxes Across Income Scale, second paragraph...."In 2009, households in the highest quintile received 50.8 percent of before-tax income and paid 67.9 percent of federal taxes; households in the top 1 percent received 13.4 percent of income and paid 22.3 percent of taxes (see Figure 2 on page 9)."

Same page, same paragraph...."Households in the bottom quintile received 5.1 percent of income and paid 0.3 percent of taxes,...."

Sure, both the CBO and I are making this up.

And the top 20% still owns 85% of all the wealth, which is gravitating upwards...

[Nickdfresh]

And you're the genious who makes assinine statement like "the same percentage isn't really the same percentage". Come right out and say what you really fucking mean. You and other people like you think the more money you make the higher percentage you should have to pay in taxes. Why? Simply because you have it. Your tune would damn sure change if it was your money. What is that? Some twisted Robin Hood theory? Take from the rich and give to the government for them to waste. You're an idiot. An envious idiot.

Um, aren't you the unemployable asshole that gets more back in tax refunds than he pays?

[ELVIS]

So the government should confiscate the "wealth" and give some to you ??

[Nickdfresh]

Who care who owns what? I'm supposed to feel bad because either I or someone in my family worked hard enough to get into the position of owning something or creating something that allowed me and/or my family to become rich?

Who worked hard enough? The people who left it to you?


Should I hate on Bill Gates because he was smart enough to come up with an operating system that made IBM's new computer work and he was smart enough not to sell it to them but license it? How about Warren Buffett? Should I hate on him because he studied stocks and companies and was smart enough to find winners in the stock market and build Berkshire Hathaway? How about George Soros? How about the Koch brothers? No wait, I should hate on Sam Walton or his children for Wal-Mart. Sure.

No, you should hate Bill Gates because of his monopolistic tendencies. But both Gates and Buffett believe they should have to pay more in taxes rather than being able to option money in shelters and simply pay less on dividends than most working people pay in their checks...


Take a look at the top 10 richest Americans. That ain't old money. That's people earning it.

According to Forbes 9-21-11 list
1) Bill Gates
2) Warren Buffett
3) Larry Ellison
4) Charles Koch
5) David Koch
6) Christy Walton
7) George Soros
8) Sheldon Adelson
9) Jim Walton
10) Alice Walton

Um, LOL, the Walton's are old money who inherited most of their empire from Sam, then turned into jackals. And almost everybody on that list including Soros, Buffett and Gates come from upper middle class or well-to-do families. None of them came from "The Ghet'toh."

[Nickdfresh]

So the government should confiscate the "wealth" and give some to you ??

Elvis, maybe once you can actually come up with something more than monosyllabic, lazy cliches?

http://thunderf00tdotorg.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/strawman-motivational.jpg

[ELVIS]

What for ??

My simple posting style is already beyond your comprehension level...

[Nickdfresh]

Well, it's beyond yours anyways...

[Blaze]

Since you are liberal and have grown up in a world in which you expect others to do your work I guess it was too hard for you to type into a search engine "CBO 2009 Tax Report". I understand the world in which you live simple needs to serve you as you can't think nor take care of yourself. Thus, as a self-reliant evil capitalist who worked hard to build something in his life I'll have to provide you with a link to the study as I provide everything else in our ever increasing "You owe me something even though I never worked for it society".

Link:
http://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/files/cbofiles/attachments/43373-06-11-HouseholdIncomeandFedTaxes.pdf

Read page 3 heading Distribution of Federal Taxes Across Income Scale, second paragraph...."In 2009, households in the highest quintile received 50.8 percent of before-tax income and paid 67.9 percent of federal taxes; households in the top 1 percent received 13.4 percent of income and paid 22.3 percent of taxes (see Figure 2 on page 9)."

Same page, same paragraph...."Households in the bottom quintile received 5.1 percent of income and paid 0.3 percent of taxes,...."

Sure, both the CBO and I are making this up.

Actually what that shows is the middle quntile and the fourth quintile are getting surprise sex aka raped.

[Seshmeister]

Take a look at the top 10 richest Americans. That ain't old money. That's people earning it.



According to Forbes 9-21-11 list
1) Bill Gates
2) Warren Buffett -Bookie
3) Larry Ellison
4) Charles Koch -Inherited Oil Company
5) David Koch - Inherited Oil Company
6) Christy Walton - Inherited Wal-Mart
7) George Soros - Bookie
8) Sheldon Adelson Mobster
9) Jim Walton-Inherited Wal-Mart
10) Alice Walton Inherited Wal-Mart -

[baru911]

Do my work? No, I just expect you not to be a lazy, incompetent and to post your own links, dick......

I think I was addressing Blaze there. However, it seems to have struck an internal chord within in you and you answered it. If the shoe fits about being a lazy leech who am I to disagree with your internal compus. Do you like being a leech and a quitter?

You're the Marine douchebag who knows so little of the Middle East but wants to sound like a know it all. Dude, thanks for your service but with your attitude the Corps is alot better off with you looking in from the outside. More than likely you got a bad performance review based on your know it all attitude and you had to get out or be bounced out. Quitter!




Thanks asshole whose claimed previous career was based on gov't handout contracts and war-profiteering...you know, gov't make-work programs paid for by federal taxes that increase the deficit?.. War-profiteering? LMAO. Poor Nick. Did you looked over at the Blackwater guys while in Iraq, felt they had it better than you? Poor baby. Did you envy all the cool shit to play with and hated the fact you had to kick in doors? Could you pity yourself anymore? Cry to someone who cares. Either embrace the suck and move forward or keep being the quitter you know yourself to be internally and get out of the way. I know you hate yourself because you quit whenever it gets hard. I pity you.

[Nickdfresh]

I think I was addressing Blaze there. However, it seems to have struck an internal chord within in you and you answered it. If the shoe fits about being a lazy leech who am I to disagree with your internal compus.

I don't have a "compus." Is that some sort of cyst? Feel bad about your lazy shoe though...


Do you like being a leech and a quitter?

I did not enjoy being a leech as people kept burning me with their cigarettes and matches....


You're the Marine douchebag who knows so little of the Middle East but wants to sound like a know it all. Dude, thanks for your service but with your attitude the Corps is alot better off with you looking in from the outside. More than likely you got a bad performance review based on your know it all attitude and you had to get out or be bounced out. Quitter!

I was never a "marine douchebag," dummy. You're not very smart are you as you seem to have many basic facts wrong. We can't all be expert Middle Eastern fuckups like you...


War-profiteering? LMAO. Poor Nick. Did you looked over at the Blackwater guys while in Iraq, felt they had it better than you? Poor baby. Did you envy all the cool shit to play with and hated the fact you had to kick in doors? Could you pity yourself anymore? Cry to someone who cares. Either embrace the suck and move forward or keep being the quitter you know yourself to be internally and get out of the way. I know you hate yourself because you quit whenever it gets hard. I pity you.

There weren't any Blackwater scumfucks in Iraq when I was there, so no I "didn't looked over at the Blackwater pussies while in Iraq." Dude, really? You're calling me a "quitter?" Um, you pissed all over your panties a few weeks back in this forum because someone was mean to you. Douchebag...

[FORD]

Take a look at the top 10 richest Americans. That ain't old money. That's people earning it.

According to Forbes 9-21-11 list
1) Bill Gates
2) Warren Buffett
3) Larry Ellison
4) Charles Koch
5) David Koch
6) Christy Walton
7) George Soros
8) Sheldon Adelson
9) Jim Walton
10) Alice Walton

Earned it? I see 2 KKKochs and 3 Waltons on that list. Half of that top 10 list are inheritance leeches. And the list itself was published by Steve Forbes, another inheritance leech.

BTW, as far as Sam Walton goes, his version of WalMart was still somewhat predatory because his business model was always based on going into small towns, and gutting all the local businesses who couldn't possibly compete with his buying power.

But at least old Sam prided himself in selling only American products. So he was still a bastard, but not a treasonous bastard like his kids who have sold out to Communist China.

Fred KKKoch, on the other hand, made his money by selling oil equipment to Soviet commie dictator Joe Stalin. And then founded the John Birch Society so he could rant about how much he hated the Commies who made him rich, and scare a bunch of two digit IQ morons into believing they were hiding under every rock.

So he was a treasonous bastard from the beginning. Just like his hellspawns Chuck and Dave.

[FORD]

Oh, and Sheldon Adelson... Likud warmonger who launders money for the Chinese mob through his Macau casino...

Treason on two different fronts there. Or three, since he's also bankrolling Mittens/Munster.

[baru911]

There weren't any Blackwater scumfucks in Iraq when I was there, so no I "didn't looked over at the Blackwater pussies while in Iraq." Dude, really? You're calling me a "quitter?" Um, you pissed all over your panties a few weeks back in this forum because someone was mean to you. Douchebag...

I believe I let my feelings show because of a continuous racist remark by FORD. You know the whole KKK thing and them burning a cross in my grandfather’s yard. Being the Roth Army’s “Mr. Know It All” you’d think you could remember the little things like facts. Of course, you forget facts when they don’t meet with your point-of-view. BTW, hey FORD....Hows Rocky Road doing? When was the last time he was relevant again? Oh, that's right...NEVER. He can't even get on the ballot in states like Indiana. What a fucking loser! Did you know that FORD? He can't get enough support to get on a ballot in Indiana and he's a "national" candidate? WOW! Thanks makes me laugh. What a joke and disappointment his "run" for the White House is when compared to someone like John Huntsman who most people have at least heard of in this passing political season. CHrist, John Huntsman was totally irrelevant and MSNBC pimped him all the time.

Speaking of facts, Nick - your Middle East views are great broad strokes of the situations there. You come across as a person who gets by in life by reading the cliff notes and then throws out his “observations” in an attempt to impress. However, if your audience gets beyond the surface of your “observations” there is little to nothing there. Kind of a metaphor for your whole life isn’t it, Nick? All show and nothing else there at the end of the day.

Bitch, moan, complain and blame others for your life all you want to and oh my you do it a lot here within these forums. Oh, how unfair it all is. How unfair poor hopeless Nick’s life is. Cry a river, ass boy. However, in the morning when you look into the mirror you know you’re a fraud and a quitter. Maybe if you put as much effort into your hollow existence as you do your post here you’d be more successful. Maybe you’d be happier.

[FORD]

I believe I let my feelings show because of a continuous racist remark by FORD.

FORD does not make racist remarks.


You know the whole KKK thing and them burning a cross in my grandfather’s yard.

And yet you continue to support the political party of Nixon's "southern strategy" and Reagan, who launched his campaign in the very town where three civil rights leaders were murdered. He may have been senile himself, but his advisers knew damn well what they were doing. And that was before the BCE hijacked his campaign.

[baru911]

FORD does not make racist remarks. And yet you continue to support the political party of Nixon's "southern strategy" and Reagan, who launched his campaign in the very town where three civil rights leaders were murdered. He may have been senile himself, but his advisers knew damn well what they were doing. And that was before the BCE hijacked his campaign.

FORD, does make racist remarks from my point-of-view. I’ve explained where my view comes from and FORD continues in his racist remarks. Thus, FORD is a racist in my view.

Its is nice that you and Chris Matthews continue to point out things that others do that are racist. According to Chris just saying anything or questioning the gang killings in Chicago makes that individual a racist. I guess David Gregory at NBC’s Meet the Press is a racist since he asked Rahm Emanuel about the murder rate in Chicago this morning. BTW, didn’t Reagan launch and announce his candidacy in New York City just like Huntsman did?

[FORD]

Reagan announced his candidacy in Philadelphia Mississippi, and the theme of his speech was "states rights".

[baru911]

I was wrong - Both of them announced at Liberty State Park in NJ. Statue of Liberty being in the background throws me off.

[baru911]

Reagan announced his candidacy in Philadelphia Mississippi, and the theme of his speech was "states rights".

He gave his first post convention speech there. However, he launched his campaign in Liberty State Park. His speech at Liberty State Park starts out:

"I've been asked by some of my friends in the press why we picked Hudson County for this kind of kick off of the campaign."

[FORD]

Well, if it was post-convention, that would mean that it WAS the BCE's doing.

Which makes sense, because they were the ones who gave Nixon the "Southern Strategy", to get all the Dixiecrats on board who were pissed off at LBJ for signing the civil rights bill.

But then, the BCE has been playing on Southern redneck stupidity since the day they started pretending to be "from Texas".

[Nickdfresh]

I believe I let my feelings show because of a continuous racist remark by FORD. You know the whole KKK thing and them burning a cross in my grandfather’s yard. Being the Roth Army’s “Mr. Know It All” you’d think you could remember the little things like facts. Of course, you forget facts when they don’t meet with your point-of-view. BTW, hey FORD....Hows Rocky Road doing? When was the last time he was relevant again? Oh, that's right...NEVER. He can't even get on the ballot in states like Indiana. What a fucking loser! Did you know that FORD? He can't get enough support to get on a ballot in Indiana and he's a "national" candidate? WOW! Thanks makes me laugh. What a joke and disappointment his "run" for the White House is when compared to someone like John Huntsman who most people have at least heard of in this passing political season. CHrist, John Huntsman was totally irrelevant and MSNBC pimped him all the time.

Speaking of facts, Nick - your Middle East views are great broad strokes of the situations there. You come across as a person who gets by in life by reading the cliff notes and then throws out his “observations” in an attempt to impress. However, if your audience gets beyond the surface of your “observations” there is little to nothing there. Kind of a metaphor for your whole life isn’t it, Nick? All show and nothing else there at the end of the day.

Bitch, moan, complain and blame others for your life all you want to and oh my you do it a lot here within these forums. Oh, how unfair it all is. How unfair poor hopeless Nick’s life is. Cry a river, ass boy. However, in the morning when you look into the mirror you know you’re a fraud and a quitter. Maybe if you put as much effort into your hollow existence as you do your post here you’d be more successful. Maybe you’d be happier.

http://www.acclaimimages.com/_gallery/_images_n300/crying_baby.jpg

[baru911]

http://www.acclaimimages.com/_gallery/_images_n300/crying_baby.jpg

Nick, I'm guessing that's how you see yourself in the mirror.

[baru911]

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[Nickdfresh]

Nick, I'm guessing that's how you see yourself in the mirror.
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51SeMXZ0seL._SL500_AA300_.jpg

You're a wit!

[ELVIS]

And you got OWNED !!


:biggrin:

[Nickdfresh]

Sucking your e-friends' dicks?

[Redballjets88]

I've just been looking through albthe threads the past week...nick talks a lot...says nothing. Nick you should run for office. You say a shit load, pander to demos and are a narcissicist good job!

[Nickdfresh]

I've just been looking through albthe threads the past week...nick talks a lot...says nothing. Nick you should run for office. You say a shit load, pander to demos and are a narcissicist good job!

You should worry more about getting laid than hurting your precious little head with adult talk...

[baru911]

I've just been looking through albthe threads the past week...nick talks a lot...says nothing. Nick you should run for office. You say a shit load, pander to demos and are a narcissicist good job!

Made me laugh and so true.

[jhale667]

FORD, does make racist remarks from my point-of-view. I’ve explained where my view comes from and FORD continues in his racist remarks. Thus, FORD is a racist in my view.


You made some bullshit crack earlier about "all liberals want(ing) people to do their work for them" or some shit too, so your "view" is seemingly a little foggy.

[baru911]

According to Forbes 9-21-11 list
1) Bill Gates
2) Warren Buffett -Bookie
3) Larry Ellison
4) Charles Koch -Inherited Oil Company
5) David Koch - Inherited Oil Company
6) Christy Walton - Inherited Wal-Mart
7) George Soros - Bookie
8) Sheldon Adelson Mobster
9) Jim Walton-Inherited Wal-Mart
10) Alice Walton Inherited Wal-Mart -

The Koch brother's run Koch Industries. Sure they got it through their father however, but they have run it since 1966. The company has around 50,000 employees in the USA and 20,000+ overseas. What fucking planet do you live on that you believe that they don't work? The company generated almost $ 100 billion in revenue.

George Soros and Buffett have generated millions for investors. Again, if you think they don't put in and have put in huge amounts of effort/work/hours you have a skewed view of the planet and how much work you have to do to be successful. I may not like their political views but I respect their work efforts. Come on George Soros made $ 1 Billion in one day in 1992. What a guy!

Sheldon Adelson is a mobster? Really? When was he charged with anything related to his so called criminal activities? Was he convicted and when did he go to jail?

[jhale667]

Sheldon's currently under investigation is he not? And he can buy and sell 10 George Soros' (nice lame Glenn BecK reference there, btw).

[baru911]

You made some bullshit crack earlier about "all liberals want(ing) people to do their work for them" or some shit too, so your "view" is seemingly a little foggy.

Nope. If you want others to pay your way because you aren't willing to get out and work (unless you are physically, mentally disabled, or retired) I'd say your views are a bit foggy and you are a leech. Get off your fat fucking ass and get a job free loader.

As far as socialism goes I'd be more than happy to follow the Singapore's capitalistic/socialistic blend if we tried it here. I was based around there for years. If you get what we call in America "welfare" you get to work 40 hours a week for the Singapore Government doing some very hard labor. Funny how fast people get off the Government's payroll when they literally have to dig ditches. I also like Singapore's HDB governmental housing. Everyone co-owns their governmental housing. If you want to move into a larger or better location you fix-up your current flat and sell it to another Singaporean. You pay the Government for the new flat and keep your profits. Each time you move into a nicer place you complete the cycle again. Singapore's governmental housing is pretty nice. Oh, and they have free health care. The crime rate is almost non-existent. Very well run country. Lastly, before we get into the whole Michael Faye canning issue. He wasn't caned and was given every opportunity to leave Singapore before Singapore justice rolled over on him for his juvenile delinquent ways. He caused a huge amount of problems within Singapore that were never reported in the US press.

[baru911]

Sheldon's currently under investigation is he not? And he can buy and sell 10 George Soros' (nice lame Glenn BecK reference there, btw).

Nice lame Glen Beck reference?? How does Glen Beck fit into this. He isn't on the list.

George Soros is the on the list ahead of Sheldon. He has more money. WTF? Dude, do some research on Black Wednesday. in 1992. You'll find that Good old George made a billion dollars that day. Doesn't anyone do any research anymore? Here are a couple of links so you and your liberal friends don't have to look anything up and can sponge off other people's work like you do everyday:

2002 article on George
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/2773265/Billionaire-who-broke-the-Bank-of-England.html

and from MSN Money:
http://money.uk.msn.com/make-money/people-who-made-money-out-of-disasters?page=2

Sheldon's under investigation for paying a Chinese Official off? OK, sure that never happens. What fuckin' world do you live in? Guess, you've never been to China nor done business there....LMAO! Also, Sheldon's under investigation by the administration that he's giving millions to get out of office. That would be like putting George Soros under investigation for something when the GOP is in power. I wouldn't believe that one either.

[ELVIS]

He caused a huge amount of problems within Singapore that were never reported in the US press.

Funny how the US media propaganda machine does that, eh ??

[Seshmeister]

George Soros and Buffett have generated millions for investors. Again, if you think they don't put in and have put in huge amounts of effort/work/hours you have a skewed view of the planet and how much work you have to do to be successful. I may not like their political views but I respect their work efforts. Come on George Soros made $ 1 Billion in one day in 1992. What a guy!


What a cunt more like, he basically stole it from UK taxpayers speculating. The world would be a be a better place if people like him did not exist, they create nothing, they just take advantage of the efforts of everyone else. They are parasites.

As for Adelson - the guy that started out by buying The Sands in Vegas? You need to do some reading if you think he is clean...

[jhale667]

Nope. If you want others to pay your way because you aren't willing to get out and work (unless you are physically, mentally disabled, or retired) I'd say your views are a bit foggy and you are a leech. Get off your fat fucking ass and get a job free loader.



Again, you just regurgitate talking points, like you have no clue WTF you're talking about. You're probably the one that needs to get a job, too... projecting?

[ELVIS]

I'm pretty sure baru has a job...

[DONNIEP]

I also have a job. But I pay a higher percentage of my earnings as taxes. How is that fair?

[FORD]

I'm pretty sure baru has a job...

Considering that his first week here was spent only defending BlacKKKwater, I could even guess who his employer might be.

[Seshmeister]

Comedy Central?

[FORD]

I also have a job. But I pay a higher percentage of my earnings as taxes. How is that fair?

Don't worry...

After your dead, Willard Mittens Romney will see to it that you are properly baptized into the LDS church, and when he becomes God of his own planet, he'll make sure you get rewarded there.

[DONNIEP]

Don't worry...

After your dead, Willard Mittens Romney will see to it that you are properly baptized into the LDS church, and when he becomes God of his own planet, he'll make sure you get rewarded there.

Well lucky me....

[motherchicken]

Um, aren't you the unemployable asshole that gets more back in tax refunds than he pays?
Underemployed. If I was unemployable as you say I wouldn't get shit back because to get back anything you must pay some in. I didn't ask for any extra back but when they offered I took it. But I've paid way more than I got back over my lifetime. And when I did have to pay I didn't whine about rich people not paying their fair share. A flat tax rate for everyone rich or poor is the only truly fair way to tax income.

[baru911]

Again, you just regurgitate talking points, like you have no clue WTF you're talking about. You're probably the one that needs to get a job, too... projecting?

I'm confused.....

Am I'm the sponge/leech, unemployed, welfare recipient who loves the governmental system that provides we a check every month for doing nothing

OR

Am I the poor, undereducated, trapped in my life by geographic discrimination, and socioeconomic factors person that the government gives a check to every month?

Need a little help from you as seem to know me better than I know myself and my life.

Dude, you brought a smile to my face. Unemployed? ROFLMAO!


What a cunt more like, he basically stole it from UK taxpayers speculating. The world would be a be a better place if people like him did not exist, they create nothing, they just take advantage of the efforts of everyone else. They are parasites..

I was being sarcastic about Soros in my "What a guy" comment. He's the liberal Koch brothers. Very rich and funds projects that support his point-of-view. Nothing illegal about doing that. However, both he and Buffett have made millions for others and for retirement systems in the USA.

[Nickdfresh]

The Koch brother's run Koch Industries. Sure they got it through their father however, but they have run it since 1966. The company has around 50,000 employees in the USA and 20,000+ overseas. What fucking planet do you live on that you believe that they don't work? The company generated almost $ 100 billion in revenue.

George Soros and Buffett have generated millions for investors. Again, if you think they don't put in and have put in huge amounts of effort/work/hours you have a skewed view of the planet and how much work you have to do to be successful. I may not like their political views but I respect their work efforts. Come on George Soros made $ 1 Billion in one day in 1992. What a guy!

Sheldon Adelson is a mobster? Really? When was he charged with anything related to his so called criminal activities? Was he convicted and when did he go to jail?


Nice job backpedaling from your "self-made" myths. But it shows that you're an idiot, a disingenuous liar, or trolling...

[Nickdfresh]

I'm pretty sure baru has a job...

Why, because he's not online every minute like you?

[Nickdfresh]

Underemployed. If I was unemployable as you say I wouldn't get shit back because to get back anything you must pay some in. I didn't ask for any extra back but when they offered I took it. But I've paid way more than I got back over my lifetime. And when I did have to pay I didn't whine about rich people not paying their fair share. A flat tax rate for everyone rich or poor is the only truly fair way to tax income.

You're not underemployed, you're just incompetent and most everything you do turns to shit...

[Seshmeister]

I'm confused.....

I was being sarcastic about Soros in my "What a guy" comment. He's the liberal Koch brothers. Very rich and funds projects that support his point-of-view. Nothing illegal about doing that. However, both he and Buffett have made millions for others and for retirement systems in the USA.

We know now though it was never real money, the whole system is basically a scam.

Anyhoo I don't care if they are right or left they're all parasitic cunts.

[hideyoursheep]

I'm confused.....

the sponge/leech, unemployed, welfare recipient who loves the governmental system that provides we a check every month for doing nothing
.....

Yeah, that's how I would describe Blackwater OR Triple Canopy....

[baru911]

Nice job backpedaling from your "self-made" myths. But it shows that you're an idiot, a disingenuous liar, or trolling...

Nick, you truly are down on what you aren’t up on.

It’s funny that I have provided facts in my post in this thread dealing with:

1) tax rates – even backed up with a link that you guys wanted. The CBO latest study shows that the top earners flip about 70% of the tax bill. No one ever answered the question what % was deemed to be the “right” percentage that you fuckin’ slacker/leeches on the left want drained from the people who tend to work their asses off to generate that wealth? FORD did state that he thought 100% should be paid by the 3rd generation that inherits their money. Of course all that would cause is more trust to be set-up so the money stays out of the Federal Government’s hands and they can’t spend it.

2) I wrote about going to the capitalistic/socialistic blend of government that Singapore has as a form of Government. It seems that no one wants anything to do with it. The only reason I can see is that it causes people to become responsible for themselves and they have to (dare I say it) WORK to get a “welfare” check. What’s so foreign about that? I’m guessing most of you guys work to put food on your tables. Why shouldn’t other people do the same? Oh, I forgot as liberals with all the answers you don’t want people to be responsible for themselves nor do you want them to work for their “welfare” checks. Better they sit at home and stay a part of your DNC voting block right? Also, I'm also betting that the whole Singapore hanging thing for drug-related crimes causes you guys some issues. No more bong hits!

3) Backpedaling? A post gets written stating that Warren Buffett, George Soros, and the Koch brothers don’t work for their wealth and then I point out the fallacy of the post and I’m backpedaling? Facts seem to be nothing to you. The list did have 2 of the Walton kids on it. Sam was a smart man and yes, I do wish they still supported American made products. However, NAFTA kind of killed the whole middle class manufacturing base here in the good old USA. Got to hand it to Clinton for not pulling out the veto for that mess that has come full circle to haunt the US economy.

You’re watching too much of the HBO series The Newsroom. I ain’t trolling but noting the reaction I get in here I guess I could be a part of some secret troll message board that they refer to because all of you seem to hate it and your GROUP THINK QI gets pretty fucked-up when someone challenges you guys with a bit of facts. All that comes back is name calling, or something like…."Hey, that’s a talking point"...LMAO.

On a matter of true interest......I never got to ask the question – If you weren’t a Marine then what branch of the service were you in while in Iraq?

[baru911]

Yeah, that's how I would describe Blackwater OR Triple Canopy....

ROFLMAO....was that directed at me?

Psst......your signature quote is a bit politically incorrect these days noting the whole Jerry Sandusky thing at Penn State. You might not be able to attend your next Occupy Wall Street protest if you continue to post things here on the forum and your "Brothers in Arms" find out about it. God forbid if you couldn't attend your next tent city meeting. I promise not to tell anyone though and I hope that others here will keep your secret non-PC way of thinking safe also.

I do like your avatar...."I'm drinking wine and eating cheese, and catching some rays, you know". OR "A DEAL, deal! Maybe the guy's a Republican. "Business is business," right?"

[binnie]

I'm pretty ambivalent about tax rates. Largely because I recognize that even they were much, much higher those with the money and resources to do so would avoid paying whatever the rate is set at. So it's all an argument about nothing.

That being said, what people in almost all Western societies have to acknowledge is that in the last 30 years the gap in wealth between the very wealthiest and the very poorest in society has become larger - or, to put it in basic terms, if you are born poor and disadvantaged you are now more likely to die that way than at an point since the Second World War. That has to be a sign of moving in the wrong way, right? It also makes a mockery of the idea that 'if you work really, really hard, you can achieve anything' - a rule of thumb, perhaps, but contextualise the total data and the stats don't bear it out.

The question becomes how do we reverse the trend? Will shifting the tax burden onto the very wealthy help? I'm not so sure - the answer might not be purely fiscal. It needs to involve society working more closely together and creating ways - clear, visible ways - for talented, willing and able people to be able to make their way up the social ladder. Is that the government's job? In my mind, yes; but it seems that many Americans see things differently.

[hideyoursheep]

ROFLMAO....was that directed at me?

Yes, it was.

So are you going to sac up and start a thread attempting to explain your oxymoronic stance on private contractors being used in a combat zone and calling yourself "conservative"?

The rest of your previous post was hot garbage and doesn't deserve to be quoted.

[hideyoursheep]

On a matter of true interest......I never got to ask the question – If you weren’t a Marine then what branch of the service were you in while in Iraq?
...And WTF does this mean?!

[baru911]

Yes, it was.

So are you going to sac up and start a thread attempting to explain your oxymoronic stance on private contractors being used in a combat zone and calling yourself "conservative"?

The rest of your previous post was hot garbage and doesn't deserve to be quoted.

In the future I won't comment on your avatar then and won't quote Oddball's lines from Kelly's Heroes. Maybe you just like the photo. Don't know.

If you look back at post 137 in this thread it appeared to me that you were using a line about a little boy as a signature. Since I don't tend to spend all my time on this forum or online for that matter I made a mistake and misidentified that quote. Looking at it now you quoted the post but did not write anything about it - again, my mistake and that's what the rest of my post was in reference to and my comments were about or as you refer to it - my "hot garbage".

On the contractor thread - maybe I'll start one. Then we can see how many of you guys pile in and go insane because I'll point out logically that contractors are needed in US war zones and why.


...And WTF does this mean?!

Nick wrote he wasn't a Marine. I was asking what branch of the service he was in since he writes about being in Iraq and I think he has posted about being present in Fallujah during combat. Did I get that wrong?

[motherchicken]

You're not underemployed, you're just incompetent and most everything you do turns to shit...
Lazy maybe, but not incompetent. I just got tired of working my ass off and watching my boss get richer and richer while crying poverty every time the subject of money came up. Or working at a job with unrealistic quotas that are set just so they can deny you raises and keep the non brown nosers in their place. No coincidence most of the workers are third wold immigrants. Or working at some place like Walmart where they push concepts like time management because they don't hire enough people to do the job.
I don't know what you do but if you're so successful why do you bitch so much about the government and how this country is run?
But I can be lazy . I work for the government now. Your tax dollars go to pay me. Keep on railing about rich people not paying enough taxes. I could use another raise.

[motherchicken]

In the future I won't comment on your avatar then and won't quote Oddball's lines from Kelly's Heroes. Maybe you just like the photo. Don't know.

If you look back at post 137 in this thread it appeared to me that you were using a line about a little boy as a signature. Since I don't tend to spend all my time on this forum or online for that matter I made a mistake and misidentified that quote. Looking at it now you quoted the post but did not write anything about it - again, my mistake and that's what the rest of my post was in reference to and my comments were about or as you refer to it - my "hot garbage".

On the contractor thread - maybe I'll start one. Then we can see how many of you guys pile in and go insane because I'll point out logically that contractors are needed in US war zones and why.



Nick wrote he wasn't a Marine. I was asking what branch of the service he was in since he writes about being in Iraq and I think he has posted about being present in Fallujah during combat. Did I get that wrong?
I think I saw a post where he said he had served in the Army. Never saw anything about overseas duty though. He claims to be 42. Unless he was a carreer soldier if he did see action it was probably in the first gulf war.

[Nickdfresh]

In the future I won't comment on your avatar then and won't quote Oddball's lines from Kelly's Heroes. Maybe you just like the photo. Don't know.

If you look back at post 137 in this thread it appeared to me that you were using a line about a little boy as a signature. Since I don't tend to spend all my time on this forum or online for that matter I made a mistake and misidentified that quote. Looking at it now you quoted the post but did not write anything about it - again, my mistake and that's what the rest of my post was in reference to and my comments were about or as you refer to it - my "hot garbage".

On the contractor thread - maybe I'll start one. Then we can see how many of you guys pile in and go insane because I'll point out logically that contractors are needed in US war zones and why.



Nick wrote he wasn't a Marine. I was asking what branch of the service he was in since he writes about being in Iraq and I think he has posted about being present in Fallujah during combat. Did I get that wrong?


I never said I was in Fallujah, dummy. Are you drunk? Why don't you tell me your branch you served in?

[Nickdfresh]

I think I saw a post where he said he had served in the Army. Never saw anything about overseas duty though. He claims to be 42. Unless he was a carreer soldier if he did see action it was probably in the first gulf war.

Wow, sockfucker is actually showing some analytical skills....

[Nickdfresh]

Lazy maybe, but not incompetent. I just got tired of working my ass off and watching my boss get richer and richer while crying poverty every time the subject of money came up. Or working at a job with unrealistic quotas that are set just so they can deny you raises and keep the non brown nosers in their place. No coincidence most of the workers are third wold immigrants. Or working at some place like Walmart where they push concepts like time management because they don't hire enough people to do the job.
I don't know what you do but if you're so successful why do you bitch so much about the government and how this country is run?
But I can be lazy . I work for the government now. Your tax dollars go to pay me. Keep on railing about rich people not paying enough taxes. I could use another raise.

LOL Really?

[Redballjets88]

Check mark- nick saying nothing once again. Good
Job nick you've officially gone the whole
Week I've been back without saying anything that wasn't just a mere insult. You tell
Me I need to get laid but shit I have no clue how you would ever do that with such a shit attitude. But then again since you're a narcissist jerking off is probably better than sex.

[Nickdfresh]

Check mark- nick saying nothing once again. Good
Job nick you've officially gone the whole
Week I've been back without saying anything that wasn't just a mere insult. You tell
Me I need to get laid but shit I have no clue how you would ever do that with such a shit attitude. But then again since you're a narcissist jerking off is probably better than sex.

Why don't you say something, Redballssuck? Or should I pick apart your shit posts? Is it too late to register for community college in Texass?

[Redballjets88]

Then again your insecurities show in every post. This is why I will never lose respect for FORD. He has faith in his beliefs. Ppl like lounge and nick just get off on arguing. And until
You can put forth a thoughtful opinion without a link that says it or you you're just a retard. God you're pathetic

[Redballjets88]

Why don't you say something, Redballssuck? Or should I pick apart your shit posts? Is it too late to register for community college in Texass?

Still nothing said. Nick for prez of slander!

[Redballjets88]

Edit not prez of slander more like a heel (bad guy) in wrestling. Just coming out for
The boos. You play a great role in keeping the forum lively yay

[Nickdfresh]

Then again your insecurities show in every post. This is why I will never lose respect for FORD. He has faith in his beliefs. Ppl like lounge and nick just get off on arguing. And until
You can put forth a thoughtful opinion without a link that says it or you you're just a retard. God you're pathetic

Oh, Redballs, you're like a miniature Buddha covered with hair!

[Nickdfresh]

Still nothing said. Nick for prez of slander!

I prefer President of Slander for Life, you little fuck!

[Redballjets88]

I'm just curious as to what makes you tick my buddy

[Nickdfresh]

The first step is to get a psych degree. The second is to tell me, I want to know too!

[ELVIS]

I'm just curious as to what makes you tick my buddy

Underage whores...

Just look at his sig...

[baru911]

I think I saw a post where he said he had served in the Army. Never saw anything about overseas duty though. He claims to be 42. Unless he was a carreer soldier if he did see action it was probably in the first gulf war.

Thanks for the help and for helping clear that up.. I think I got the idea about him being in the Marines from the gun thread where Nick commented on the SOCOM-14 being used by Marines or something to that effect. Oh well.

[Nickdfresh]

Underage whores...

Just look at his sig...

Um dude, you used to chase a troll who claimed to be a 16-year old girl around here you douche! Remember "Little Skittles?" Fucking creeper. And you're a 45 year old who married to a 25-year old virgin you snared through your bullshit church. I mean really dude? Really? Project much?

[Nickdfresh]

Thanks for the help and for helping clear that up.. I think I got the idea about him being in the Marines from the gun thread where Nick commented on the SOCOM-14 being used by Marines or something to that effect. Oh well.

That's because you're not very bright. And actually, I think it was because I mentioned how the Marines hated the mercenary douches in their sectors, and you went off on some Marine-hater rant, fucking America-hating puke!

[ELVIS]

The FBI should check your computer for underage porn...

[Nickdfresh]

The FBI should check your computer for underage porn...

The FBI should check your basement for underage (dead) hookers...

[baru911]

Are you drunk?

No, I don't drink. I am new here and don't know all that much about any of the posters/forum members here. Your backgrounds might allow me to better understand the post I read.

[motherchicken]

I also have a job. But I pay a higher percentage of my earnings as taxes. How is that fair?
It isn't fair. Everybody should pay the same percentage. A flat rate with no loopholes.

[Redballjets88]

I don't care how taxes are made as long as the fed lives within its means..which it never does...charity is greater than welfare.

[hideyoursheep]

In the future I won't comment on your avatar then and won't quote Oddball's lines from Kelly's Heroes.
What you do to amuse yourself is not my concern.


On the contractor thread - maybe I'll start one. Then we can see how many of you guys pile in and go insane because I'll point out logically that contractors are needed in US war zones and why. Then by all means, do that. I would love to see someone on this planet that can explain that one...logically. I have my doubts about you pulling it off, but as long as you can logically explain your position, I'd love to hear/ see them.




Nick wrote he wasn't a Marine. I was asking what branch of the service he was in since he writes about being in Iraq and I think he has posted about being present in Fallujah during combat. Did I get that wrong? What difference does that really make to you? Seems to me you're looking for an angle of approach for the next mud-slinging contest rather than showing any genuine concern. Fishing for personal data=amateur troll.

Do yourself a favor-don't try and match wits with him. I can tell you won't make it to the 2nd round before you get on your bicycle.

[ELVIS]

He's already OWNED dickforbrains several times...

I'd like to hear the contractor bullshit myself, BTW...

[hideyoursheep]

He's already OWNED dickforbrains several times...

No he hasn't. I'm looking around, and I don't see it.


I'd like to hear the contractor bullshit myself, BTW...

Like Ross Perot, I'll be "all ears" when that happens...

[baru911]

That's because you're not very bright. And actually, I think it was because I mentioned how the Marines hated the mercenary douches in their sectors, and you went off on some Marine-hater rant, fucking America-hating puke!

Many of the Marines I've been around don't like the Blackwater guys. Generally, it deals with their observations of SEALs when they where out in the fleet together. Since a good deal of the trigger pullers in Blackwater are SEALs that bias remains. Hopefully breaking it down Barnie Style will help you understand my past posts/comments. It also goes to prove that you haven't spent any time around contractors, and seen what they do. All your knowledge comes from reading books and newspapers. Your views have been bent by a selective reading of what other people saw, experienced, and reported through their internal bias/filters.

Life was meant to be a combination of actual experiences and education. One supports the other and leads to the path of enlightenment.

[baru911]

What you do to amuse yourself is not my concern.

I would hope that nothing I do is your concern. Otherwise, you'd be an internet stalker.


Then by all means, do that. I would love to see someone on this planet that can explain that one...logically. I have my doubts about you pulling it off, but as long as you can logically explain your position, I'd love to hear/ see them.

I'm sure that response will be the typical name calling, oh that's a talking point bullshit post that seem to come out when a logical argument gets presented in here. Take a look at the threads in here and you'll find that they generally are one forum member calling another a name. (Yes, I do it to.) It is some funny stuff. Like re-visiting an elementary school and watching the interaction between the 3rd graders.




What difference does that really make to you? Seems to me you're looking for an angle of approach for the next mud-slinging contest rather than showing any genuine concern. Fishing for personal data=amateur troll.

Oh, did I just get called a name? Not a troll. Oh man, how will I ever be able to live that down? You've been spending a bunch of time with this troll lately. Why bother? After all, I'm just a troll from your point-of-view.


Do yourself a favor-don't try and match wits with him. I can tell you won't make it to the 2nd round before you get on your bicycle.

Match wits with Nick? Ummm, did he message you and ask you to help him out? He got pissy a few threads back and didn't like it that he was being challenged for his views. Are you his big sister come to kick my ass and save the day?

[jhale667]

He's already OWNED dickforbrains several times...



Not sure what thread in Alex Jones' bizarro world you're reading, but it hasn't happened.

[BigBadBrian]

Do yourself a favor-don't try and match wits with him. I can tell you won't make it to the 2nd round before you get on your bicycle.

:lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

[Nickdfresh]

He's already OWNED dickforbrains several times...

I'd like to hear the contractor bullshit myself, BTW...

Make sure he doesn't blow his load in your eye...

[hideyoursheep]

No, I don't drink. I am new here and don't know all that much about any of the posters/forum members here. Your backgrounds might allow me to better understand the post I read.
Yet, in the same thread he says;


I would hope that nothing I do is your concern. Otherwise, you'd be an internet stalker.

:rolleyes:






I'm sure that response will be the typical name calling, oh that's a talking point bullshit post that seem to come out when a logical argument gets presented in here. Try presenting one. You never know.




Take a look at the threads in here and you'll find that they generally are one forum member calling another a name. (Yes, I do it to.) It is some funny stuff. Like re-visiting an elementary school and watching the interaction between the 3rd graders.

I thnk I already said I'm not interested. WTF??

How can you have a "point of view" on anything when all of your post consist of you talking in circles and contradicting yourself?

You're no different than GARchicken..with only a marginal improvement in vocabulary.....your punctuation still sucks, tho..

Wake me up when you have something of substance to say.

[hideyoursheep]

...and try not to end every sentence with ????????????????????????-Makes you look retarded.

Never go full retard.

[hideyoursheep]

Many of the Marines I've been around don't like...

I'll take "when baru911 lifts his skirt" for $1000, Alex..

:painkiller:

:popcorn:

[tbone888]

It doesnt matter what tax rate you impose...the government will take every penny (and borrow 50% more), and waste all of it on useless failed programs.

[FORD]

It doesnt matter what tax rate you impose...the government will take every penny (and borrow 50% more), and waste all of it on useless failed programs.

Which failed programs? The military industrial complex?

[tbone888]

One of the biggest of all...the dept of education. How many times have you heard the statement, "I really like this house, but the thing I like most is that its in a great school district."

Ever been to DMV and become frustrated in the long wait? Now we get that same effecient system with health care. YAY!!!!

[Nickdfresh]

One of the biggest of all...the dept of education. How many times have you heard the statement, "I really like this house, but the thing I like most is that its in a great school district."

Ever been to DMV and become frustrated in the long wait? Now we get that same effecient system with health care. YAY!!!!

eh, wut? Education is mainly controlled and run by the states and varies from district to district in standards and vastly in budgets...

http://www.myfacewhen.net/uploads/963-lol-wut-pink.jpg

[FORD]

Yes, let's eliminate the fucking education system and indocrinate all the kids in private religious schools, using the fucked up useless textbooks that are being written right now in Texas.

Then we can have a whole generation of MINDLESS FUCKING SHEEP who think that privatizing every goddamned fucking thing in this world, and eliminating all taxes for criminal predatory cocksuckers will be the salvation of America.

Kolob Uber Alles!! Mittens/Munster 2012 :meinsmiley:

[tbone888]

Ok, so what exactly is the role of the dept of education?:)

And were already at the bottom of the list in math and science. What's the solution? The tests are too hard...lower the standards. That should help.

[Blaze]

One of the biggest of all...the dept of education. How many times have you heard the statement, "I really like this house, but the thing I like most is that its in a great school district."


you added the statement below during the time I read this thread page and the time I responded
Ever been to DMV and become frustrated in the long wait? Now we get that same effecient system with health care. YAY!!!!

Two unrelated ideas, btw.

Your statement about schools says more about your family values than anythings else. Most families do concern themselves with the community their children will attend when moving to a new home.

[tbone888]

Both ideas are related in that a previous poster asked about failed programs. I stated a current and a future failed program.

The first purpose of the dept of education..."to strengthen the Federal commitment to ensuring access to equal educational opportunity for every individual." What a joke.



The 2 biggest high schools in this area are charlottesville high and western albemarle high. CHS is made up of about 70% poor minorities. WAHS is about 99% white and mostly "rich" white. I feel sure this occurrence isnt unique to this area. It's basically publicly funded segregation.

[FORD]

The 2 biggest high schools in this area are charlottesville high and western albemarle high. CHS is made up of about 70% poor minorities. WAHS is about 99% white and mostly "rich" white. I feel sure this occurrence isnt unique to this area. It's basically publicly funded segregation.

Maybe you should talk to governor McVaginal probe about that, rather than blaming the department of education. Or your local school board, which I'm guessing is probably controlled by Pat Robertson flunkies.

[tbone888]

LOL. Local and state governments are no different than the Feds...full of massive waste and fraud.

[Nickdfresh]

LOL. Local and state governments are no different than the Feds...full of massive waste and fraud.

Well, your only other option is this:

[BigBadBrian]

Most families do concern themselves with the community their children will attend when moving to a new home.

That's why certain people don't move to the certain part of town. I dare anyone to tell me I'm wrong. :gulp:

[Nickdfresh]

..And why some children get money money spent on them in the education system than others do...

[Nickdfresh]

All SEAL and Sea World talk moved to SEAL thread: http://www.rotharmy.com/forums/showthread.php?66325-No-Easy-Op

[tbone888]

That's why certain people don't move to the certain part of town. I dare anyone to tell me I'm wrong. :gulp:

A ton of people run around with this "fake concern" for the poor, all the while not wanting these same poor people living anywhere near them and certainly not attending the same school as their precious children.

[ELVIS]

They think they're helping the poor by voting in higher taxes for people they percieve to be rich...