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DLR Bridge
08-30-2012, 12:09 PM
As I live and breathe, an anti-Ryan review from FOX News.

Paul Ryan's speech in 3 words

1. Dazzling
At least a quarter of Americans still don’t know who Paul Ryan is, and only about half who know and have an opinion of him view him favorably.
So, Ryan’s primary job tonight was to introduce himself and make himself seem likeable, and he did that well. The personal parts of the speech were very personally delivered, especially the touching parts where Ryan talked about his father and mother and their roles in his life. And at the end of the speech, when Ryan cheered the crowd to its feet, he showed an energy and enthusiasm that’s what voters want in leaders and what Republicans have been desperately lacking in this campaign.
To anyone watching Ryan’s speech who hasn’t been paying much attention to the ins and outs and accusations of the campaign, I suspect Ryan came across as a smart, passionate and all-around nice guy — the sort of guy you can imagine having a friendly chat with while watching your kids play soccer together. And for a lot of voters, what matters isn’t what candidates have done or what they promise to do —it’s personality. On this measure, Mitt Romney has been catastrophically struggling and with his speech, Ryan humanized himself and presumably by extension, the top of the ticket.
2. Deceiving
On the other hand, to anyone paying the slightest bit of attention to facts, Ryan’s speech was an apparent attempt to set the world record for the greatest number of blatant lies and misrepresentations slipped into a single political speech. On this measure, while it was Romney who ran the Olympics, Ryan earned the gold.
The good news is that the Romney-Ryan campaign has likely created dozens of new jobs among the legions of additional fact checkers that media outlets are rushing to hire to sift through the mountain of cow dung that flowed from Ryan’s mouth. Said fact checkers have already condemned certain arguments that Ryan still irresponsibly repeated.
Fact: While Ryan tried to pin the downgrade of the United States’ credit rating on spending under President Obama, the credit rating was actually downgraded because Republicans threatened not to raise the debt ceiling.
Fact: While Ryan blamed President Obama for the shut down of a GM plant in Janesville, Wisconsin, the plant was actually closed under President George W. Bush. Ryan actually asked for federal spending to save the plant, while Romney has criticized the auto industry bailout that President Obama ultimately enacted to prevent other plants from closing.
Fact: Though Ryan insisted that President Obama wants to give all the credit for private sector success to government, that isn't what the president said. Period.
Fact: Though Paul Ryan accused President Obama of taking $716 billion out of Medicare, the fact is that that amount was savings in Medicare reimbursement rates (which, incidentally, save Medicare recipients out-of-pocket costs, too) and Ryan himself embraced these savings in his budget plan.
Elections should be about competing based on your record in the past and your vision for the future, not competing to see who can get away with the most lies and distortions without voters noticing or bother to care. Both parties should hold themselves to that standard. Republicans should be ashamed that there was even one misrepresentation in Ryan’s speech but sadly, there were many.
3. Distracting
And then there’s what Ryan didn’t talk about.
Ryan didn’t mention his extremist stance on banning all abortions with no exception for rape or incest, a stance that is out of touch with 75% of American voters.
Ryan didn’t mention his previous plan to hand over Social Security to Wall Street.
Ryan didn’t mention his numerous votes to raise spending and balloon the deficit when George W. Bush was president.
Ryan didn’t mention how his budget would eviscerate programs that help the poor and raise taxes on 95% of Americans in order to cut taxes for millionaires and billionaires even further and increase — yes, increase —the deficit.
These aspects of Ryan’s resume and ideology are sticky to say the least. He would have been wise to tackle them head on and try and explain them away in his first real introduction to voters. But instead of Ryan airing his own dirty laundry, Democrats will get the chance.
At the end of his speech, Ryan quoted his dad, who used to say to him, “"Son. You have a choice: You can be part of the problem, or you can be part of the solution."
Ryan may have helped solve some of the likeability problems facing Romney, but ultimately by trying to deceive voters about basic facts and trying to distract voters from his own record, Ryan’s speech caused a much larger problem for himself and his running mate.
Sally Kohn is a writer and Fox News contributor. You can find her online at http://sallykohn.com or on Twitter@sallykohn.
Sally Kohn is a Fox News contributor and writer. You can find her online at http://sallykohn.com or on Twitter at http://twitter.com/sallykohn.


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jhale667
08-30-2012, 12:41 PM
You know you're fucked when FAUX news even calls you a liar... He's now "Lyin' Ryan!" :lmao:

FORD
08-30-2012, 12:47 PM
I watched the Pukefest last night just for shits and giggles, and while Eddie Munster was the most blatant about it, they were ALL liars.

Kindasleazy Rice was pretty horrible too. And Bridge killer Pawlenty was just pathetic.

BigBadBrian
08-30-2012, 01:24 PM
It's an OPINION piece. I realize how that threw you since you liberals only get one side of the issue. :gulp:

FORD
08-30-2012, 01:29 PM
And the most ridiculous thing about the Pukeapalooza last night?

Every one of those goddamn idiots based their speech around an intentional misrepresentation of the President's comment "you didn't build that". Which, of course, was a statement about infrastructure and not a "socialist attack on business" or whatever these fucking KKKoch funded delusional morons are trying to call it.

jhale667
08-30-2012, 01:31 PM
Funny how that's not the ONLY piece saying he straight up lied, Brie. I realize conservatards only listen to FAUX, but surprise, doucher - it's apparently there's a CONSENSUS of OPINION.


So yes, Ryan is a lying fuckbag. And yet you're still gonna vote for him and Wrongney.

DLR Bridge
08-30-2012, 01:32 PM
Just so happens the opinion piece is peppered with FACTS. Hey, it's like the lady said, "Ryan may have helped solve some of the likeability problems facing Romney, but ultimately by trying to deceive voters about basic facts and trying to distract voters from his own record, Ryan’s speech caused a much larger problem for himself and his running mate."

jhale667
08-30-2012, 01:33 PM
And the most ridiculous thing about the Pukeapalooza last night?

Every one of those goddamn idiots based their speech around an intentional misrepresentation of the President's comment "you didn't build that". Which, of course, was a statement about infrastructure and not a "socialist attack on business" or whatever these fucking KKKoch funded delusional morons are trying to call it.


The DNC already has the truth-slam ready for that idiotic bit too... "No, you didn't build it - You DESTROYED IT." :wow2: I'll find the link to the ad later...

DLR Bridge
08-30-2012, 02:10 PM
And the most ridiculous thing about the Pukeapalooza last night?

Every one of those goddamn idiots based their speech around an intentional misrepresentation of the President's comment "you didn't build that". Which, of course, was a statement about infrastructure and not a "socialist attack on business" or whatever these fucking KKKoch funded delusional morons are trying to call it.

Ultra annoying especially since Obama's point was no different than Rmoney's in 2002.

"You Olympians, however, know you didn't get here solely on your own power," Romney said after congratulating the athletes. "For most of you, loving parents, sisters or brothers, encouraged your hopes, coaches guided, communities built venues in order to organize competitions. All Olympians stand on the shoulders of those who lifted them."

I know where they were both coming from. I doubt any of these morons were even aware of Mittens remark or the correlation between his and Obama's.

DLR Bridge
08-30-2012, 02:25 PM
And the second most ridiculous thing is how everyone essentially goes up to the podium and blows smoke up their own ass for twenty minutes or so, then shoots off the obligatory "and that's why Mitt Rmoney is the right man for the job blah blah blah."

hambon4lif
08-30-2012, 03:32 PM
Fact: While Ryan blamed President Obama for the shut down of a GM plant in Janesville, Wisconsin, the plant was actually closed under President George W. Bush. Ryan actually asked for federal spending to save the plant, while Romney has criticized the auto industry bailout that President Obama ultimately enacted to prevent other plants from closing.
This particular lie is the one causing a local uproar. GM Janesville were buying out almost every single one of their employees in June 2008. They were all given the option of money(which didn't even equal 4 months pay)...or a new car, and sent them all on their way to the unemployment line.
They held on to a skeleton crew for a few more months, but that was only to fulfill a contract they had going with Isuzu. The entire SUV line (the heart and soul of the plant) were sent packing in the summer of '08 under Bush's watch.

Alot of people around these parts are understandably fucking furious right now that one of their own 'homeboys' would take a giant shit on them for the sake of playing some political game.

DLR Bridge
08-30-2012, 03:47 PM
A lot of people around these parts are understandably fucking furious right now that one of their own 'homeboys' would take a giant shit on them for the sake of playing some political game.

Good! I love it!! How 'bout that Bri? People are fucking furious at the fictitious facts your little turd floated.

The democrats want this debate.
They need this debate.
They will WIN this debate!

FORD
08-30-2012, 04:46 PM
Yeah.... making Medicare a privatized voucher program will "save" Medicare......

...just like Sammy Hagar "saved" Van Halen :puke:

Redballjets88
08-30-2012, 10:31 PM
How can people say that Obama was misunderstood when his direct quote was that if you have a business you didnt build that? Don't deny the quote. I do believe he didn't mean it just like Biden didn't mean the chains remark. It's election season too many words are being spoken to take everything seriously. Wait til the debates. If only they would use the standard high school/college LD debate form *sigh*

Nickdfresh
08-30-2012, 10:33 PM
How can people say that Obama was misunderstood when his direct quote was that if you have a business you didnt build that? Don't deny the quote. I do believe he didn't mean it just like Biden didn't mean the chains remark. It's election season too many words are being spoken to take everything seriously. Wait til the debates. If only they would use the standard high school/college LD debate form *sigh*

It's called being "quoted-out-of-context"...

Redballjets88
08-30-2012, 10:33 PM
Yeah.... making Medicare a privatized voucher program will "save" Medicare......

...just like Sammy Hagar "saved" Van Halen :puke:

FORD, as a person in my mid 20s what hope in either parties plan is there for me to ever see a dime of my Medicare or SS benefits without being taxed more harshly than your generation or my grandparents generation?

Redballjets88
08-30-2012, 10:34 PM
When I'm 70 I don't want my grandchildren to be worrying about grandpa not having health care

fifth element
08-30-2012, 10:35 PM
FOX News can actually recognize a lie???????????????????????????????????


Who knew?

SunisinuS
08-30-2012, 10:38 PM
How can people say that Obama was misunderstood when his direct quote was that if you have a business you didnt build that? Don't deny the quote.

Stop Directly Lying Sir.

He did not say that, and woe to your generation for believing everything Faux news says:



Somebody else made that road and bridge happen...the connotation is clear....don't let 30 years of Repukes trying to defund the public educational system so you cannot understand denotation and connotation, with the aim of a dumb enough general population to vote for them.

Sad, just really Sad.


Here is what Faux News Forgot:

FORD
08-30-2012, 10:39 PM
FORD, as a person in my mid 20s what hope in either parties plan is there for me to ever see a dime of my Medicare or SS benefits without being taxed more harshly than your generation or my grandparents generation?

http://www.voterocky.org/healthcare_solution

Redballjets88
08-30-2012, 10:42 PM
Or take the gov subsidation out of healthcare and just make laws that better cover people for better prices. I'm sorry I just don't trust the FED to do anything right that stands the test of time. What's to stop Obamacare from being the lackluster program that Medicare/caid and SS have become?

FORD
08-30-2012, 10:49 PM
30 years of privatization and deregulation has placed this country in a toilet death spiral. The last thing we need to do is make it worse by turning the last two functional portions of the safety net over to the Wall Street casino.

Medicare was doing just fine until Chimpy fucked with it, adding that "Part D" donut hole horseshit. And the only thing that needs to be done to Social Security is RAISE THE FUCKING CAP.

Right wingers keep telling us that $250k ain't rich. OK, then why the fuck are social security contributions still capped at $106K then?

Seshmeister
08-30-2012, 10:51 PM
When I'm 70 I don't want my grandchildren to be worrying about grandpa not having health care

Well hopefully China will offer public healthcare to her colonies by then. Assuming you're not under water.

binnie
08-31-2012, 03:46 AM
Well hopefully China will offer public healthcare to her colonies by then. Assuming you're not under water.

Hahaha!

The other answer would be: 'when you're 70 you'll still be 15 years away from retiring so health care will be the least of your problems....'

LoungeMachine
08-31-2012, 04:41 AM
When I'm 70 I don't want my grandchildren to be worrying about grandpa not having health care

You're already assuming you're going to be getting laid?

:gulp:

and these offspring you're going to produce will as well?

Color me skeptical

BigBadBrian
08-31-2012, 07:48 AM
Medicare, as it is funded now, will not exist in 20 years.

BigBadBrian
08-31-2012, 07:49 AM
And the most ridiculous thing about the Pukeapalooza last night?

Every one of those goddamn idiots based their speech around an intentional misrepresentation of the President's comment "you didn't build that".

No misrepresentation involved. It's EXACTLY what the Kenyan Houseboy said. :gulp:

BigBadBrian
08-31-2012, 07:55 AM
Funny how that's not the ONLY piece saying he straight up lied, Brie. I realize conservatards only listen to FAUX, but surprise, doucher - it's apparently there's a CONSENSUS of OPINION.
So yes, Ryan is a lying fuckbag. And yet you're still gonna vote for him and Wrongney.

No, the only consensus is on the liberal, er wrong, side of the aisle. Of course, you're too stupid to realize that.

I'm not a big Romney supporter, but he can't do any worse than Obama. Obama isn't capable of managing the average household budget and Paul Ryan continually makes Obama look simply foolish concerning economic matters.

BigBadBrian
08-31-2012, 08:01 AM
Mr. Chairman, delegates, and fellow citizens: I am honored by the support of this convention for vice president of the United States.

I accept the duty to help lead our nation out of a jobs crisis and back to prosperity- and I know we can do this.

I accept the calling of my generation to give our children the America that was given to us, with opportunity for the young and security for the old - and I know that we are ready.

Our nominee is sure ready. His whole life has prepared him for this moment- to meet serious challenges in a serious way, without excuses and idle words. After four years of getting the run-around, America needs a turnaround, and the man for the job is Governor Mitt Romney.

I'm the newcomer to the campaign, so let me share a first impression. I have never seen opponents so silent about their record, and so desperate to keep their power.

They've run out of ideas. Their moment came and went. Fear and division are all they've got left.

With all their attack ads, the president is just throwing away money- and he's pretty experienced at that. You see, some people can't be dragged down by the usual cheap tactics, because their ability, character, and plain decency are so obvious- and ladies and gentlemen, that is Mitt Romney.

For my part, your nomination is an unexpected turn. It certainly came as news to my family, and I'd like you to meet them: My wife Janna, our daughter Liza, and our boys Charlie and Sam.

The kids are happy to see their grandma, who lives in Florida. There she is- my Mom, Betty.

My dad, a small-town lawyer, was also named Paul. Until we lost him when I was 16, he was a gentle presence in my life. I like to think he'd be proud of me and my sister and brothers, because I'm sure proud of him and of where I come from, Janesville, Wisconsin.

I live on the same block where I grew up. We belong to the same parish where I was baptized. Janesville is that kind of place.

The people of Wisconsin have been good to me. I've tried to live up to their trust. And now I ask those hardworking men and women, and millions like them across America, to join our cause and get this country working again.

When Governor Romney asked me to join the ticket, I said, "Let's get this done"- and that is exactly, what we're going to do.

President Barack Obama came to office during an economic crisis, as he has reminded us a time or two. Those were very tough days, and any fair measure of his record has to take that into account. My home state voted for President Obama. When he talked about change, many people liked the sound of it, especially in Janesville, where we were about to lose a major factory.

A lot of guys I went to high school with worked at that GM plant. Right there at that plant, candidate Obama said: "I believe that if our government is there to support you. this plant will be here for another hundred years." That's what he said in 2008.

Well, as it turned out, that plant didn't last another year. It is locked up and empty to this day. And that's how it is in so many towns today, where the recovery that was promised is nowhere in sight.

Right now, 23 million men and women are struggling to find work. Twenty-three million people, unemployed or underemployed. Nearly one in six Americans is living in poverty. Millions of young Americans have graduated from college during the Obama presidency, ready to use their gifts and get moving in life. Half of them can't find the work they studied for, or any work at all.

So here's the question: Without a change in leadership, why would the next four years be any different from the last four years?

The first troubling sign came with the stimulus. It was President Obama's first and best shot at fixing the economy, at a time when he got everything he wanted under one-party rule. It cost $831 billion- the largest one-time expenditure ever by our federal government.

It went to companies like Solyndra, with their gold-plated connections, subsidized jobs, and make-believe markets. The stimulus was a case of political patronage, corporate welfare, and cronyism at their worst. You, the working men and women of this country, were cut out of the deal.

What did the taxpayers get out of the Obama stimulus? More debt. That money wasn't just spent and wasted- it was borrowed, spent, and wasted.

Maybe the greatest waste of all was time. Here we were, faced with a massive job crisis - so deep that if everyone out of work stood in single file, that unemployment line would stretch the length of the entire American continent. You would think that any president, whatever his party, would make job creation, and nothing else, his first order of economic business.

But this president didn't do that. Instead, we got a long, divisive, all-or-nothing attempt to put the federal government in charge of health care.

Obamacare comes to more than two thousand pages of rules, mandates, taxes, fees, and fines that have no place in a free country.

The president has declared that the debate over government-controlled health care is over. That will come as news to the millions of Americans who will elect Mitt Romney so we can repeal Obamacare.

And the biggest, coldest power play of all in Obamacare came at the expense of the elderly.

You see, even with all the hidden taxes to pay for the health care takeover, even with new taxes on nearly a million small businesses, the planners in Washington still didn't have enough money. They needed more. They needed hundreds of billions more. So, they just took it all away from Medicare. Seven hundred and sixteen billion dollars, funneled out of Medicare by President Obama. An obligation we have to our parents and grandparents is being sacrificed, all to pay for a new entitlement we didn't even ask for. The greatest threat to Medicare is Obamacare, and we're going to stop it.

In Congress, when they take out the heavy books and wall charts about Medicare, my thoughts go back to a house on Garfield Street in Janesville. My wonderful grandma, Janet, had Alzheimer's and moved in with Mom and me. Though she felt lost at times, we did all the little things that made her feel loved.

We had help from Medicare, and it was there, just like it's there for my mom today. Medicare is a promise, and we will honor it. A Romney-Ryan administration will protect and strengthen Medicare, for my mom's generation, for my generation, and for my kids and yours.

So our opponents can consider themselves on notice. In this election, on this issue, the usual posturing on the left isn't going to work. Mitt Romney and I know the difference between protecting a program, and raiding it. Ladies and gentlemen, our nation needs this debate. We want this debate. We will win this debate.

Obamacare, as much as anything else, explains why a presidency that began with such anticipation now comes to such a disappointing close.

It began with a financial crisis; it ends with a job crisis.

It began with a housing crisis they alone didn't cause; it ends with a housing crisis they didn't correct.

It began with a perfect Triple-A credit rating for the United States; it ends with a downgraded America.

It all started off with stirring speeches, Greek columns, the thrill of something new. Now all that's left is a presidency adrift, surviving on slogans that already seem tired, grasping at a moment that has already passed, like a ship trying to sail on yesterday's wind.

President Obama was asked not long ago to reflect on any mistakes he might have made. He said, well, "I haven't communicated enough." He said his job is to "tell a story to the American people"- as if that's the whole problem here? He needs to talk more, and we need to be better listeners?

Ladies and gentlemen, these past four years we have suffered no shortage of words in the White House. What's missing is leadership in the White House. And the story that Barack Obama does tell, forever shifting blame to the last administration, is getting old. The man assumed office almost four years ago- isn't it about time he assumed responsibility?

In this generation, a defining responsibility of government is to steer our nation clear of a debt crisis while there is still time. Back in 2008, candidate Obama called a $10 trillion national debt "unpatriotic"- serious talk from what looked to be a serious reformer.

Yet by his own decisions, President Obama has added more debt than any other president before him, and more than all the troubled governments of Europe combined. One president, one term, $5 trillion in new debt.

He created a bipartisan debt commission. They came back with an urgent report. He thanked them, sent them on their way, and then did exactly nothing.

Republicans stepped up with good-faith reforms and solutions equal to the problems. How did the president respond? By doing nothing- nothing except to dodge and demagogue the issue.

So here we are, $16 trillion in debt and still he does nothing. In Europe, massive debts have put entire governments at risk of collapse, and still he does nothing. And all we have heard from this president and his team are attacks on anyone who dares to point out the obvious.

They have no answer to this simple reality: We need to stop spending money we don't have.

My dad used to say to me: "Son. You have a choice: You can be part of the problem, or you can be part of the solution." The present administration has made its choices. And Mitt Romney and I have made ours: Before the math and the momentum overwhelm us all, we are going to solve this nation's economic problems.

And I'm going to level with you: We don't have that much time. But if we are serious, and smart, and we lead, we can do this.

After four years of government trying to divide up the wealth, we will get America creating wealth again. With tax fairness and regulatory reform, we'll put government back on the side of the men and women who create jobs, and the men and women who need jobs.

My mom started a small business, and I've seen what it takes. Mom was 50 when my dad died. She got on a bus every weekday for years, and rode 40 miles each morning to Madison. She earned a new degree and learned new skills to start her small business. It wasn't just a new livelihood. It was a new life. And it transformed my mom from a widow in grief to a small businesswoman whose happiness wasn't just in the past. Her work gave her hope. It made our family proud. And to this day, my mom is my role model.

Behind every small business, there's a story worth knowing. All the corner shops in our towns and cities, the restaurants, cleaners, gyms, hair salons, hardware stores- these didn't come out of nowhere. A lot of heart goes into each one. And if small businesspeople say they made it on their own, all they are saying is that nobody else worked seven days a week in their place. Nobody showed up in their place to open the door at five in the morning. Nobody did their thinking, and worrying, and sweating for them. After all that work, and in a bad economy, it sure doesn't help to hear from their president that government gets the credit. What they deserve to hear is the truth: Yes, you did build that.

We have a plan for a stronger middle class, with the goal of generating 12 million new jobs over the next four years.

In a clean break from the Obama years, and frankly from the years before this president, we will keep federal spending at 20 percent of GDP, or less. That is enough. The choice is whether to put hard limits on economic growth, or hard limits on the size of government, and we choose to limit government.

I learned a good deal about economics, and about America, from the author of the Reagan tax reforms- the great Jack Kemp. What gave Jack that incredible enthusiasm was his belief in the possibilities of free people, in the power of free enterprise and strong communities to overcome poverty and despair. We need that same optimism right now.

And in our dealings with other nations, a Romney-Ryan administration will speak with confidence and clarity. Wherever men and women rise up for their own freedom, they will know that the American president is on their side. Instead of managing American decline, leaving allies to doubt us and adversaries to test us, we will act in the conviction that the United States is still the greatest force for peace and liberty that this world has ever known.

President Obama is the kind of politician who puts promises on the record, and then calls that the record. But we are four years into this presidency. The issue is not the economy as Barack Obama inherited it, not the economy as he envisions it, but this economy as we are living it.

College graduates should not have to live out their 20s in their childhood bedrooms, staring up at fading Obama posters and wondering when they can move out and get going with life. Everyone who feels stuck in the Obama economy is right to focus on the here and now. And I hope you understand this too, if you're feeling left out or passed by: You have not failed, your leaders have failed you.

None of us have to settle for the best this administration offers- a dull, adventureless journey from one entitlement to the next, a government-planned life, a country where everything is free but us.

Listen to the way we're spoken to already, as if everyone is stuck in some class or station in life, victims of circumstances beyond our control, with government there to help us cope with our fate.

It's the exact opposite of everything I learned growing up in Wisconsin, or at college in Ohio. When I was waiting tables, washing dishes, or mowing lawns for money, I never thought of myself as stuck in some station in life. I was on my own path, my own journey, an American journey where I could think for myself, decide for myself, define happiness for myself. That's what we do in this country. That's the American Dream. That's freedom, and I'll take it any day over the supervision and sanctimony of the central planners.

By themselves, the failures of one administration are not a mandate for a new administration. A challenger must stand on his own merits. He must be ready and worthy to serve in the office of president.

We're a full generation apart, Governor Romney and I. And, in some ways, we're a little different. There are the songs on his iPod, which I've heard on the campaign bus and on many hotel elevators. He actually urged me to play some of these songs at campaign rallies. I said, I hope it's not a deal-breaker Mitt, but my playlist starts with AC/DC, and ends with Zeppelin.

A generation apart. That makes us different, but not in any of the things that matter. Mitt Romney and I both grew up in the heartland, and we know what places like Wisconsin and Michigan look like when times are good, when people are working, when families are doing more than just getting by. And we both know it can be that way again.

We've had very different careers- mine mainly in public service, his mostly in the private sector. He helped start businesses and turn around failing ones. By the way, being successful in business- that's a good thing.

Mitt has not only succeeded, but succeeded where others could not. He turned around the Olympics at a time when a great institution was collapsing under the weight of bad management, overspending, and corruption- sounds familiar, doesn't it?

He was the Republican governor of a state where almost nine in 10 legislators are Democrats, and yet he balanced the budget without raising taxes. Unemployment went down, household incomes went up, and Massachusetts, under Mitt Romney, saw its credit rating upgraded.

Mitt and I also go to different churches. But in any church, the best kind of preaching is done by example. And I've been watching that example. The man who will accept your nomination tomorrow is prayerful and faithful and honorable. Not only a defender of marriage, he offers an example of marriage at its best. Not only a fine businessman, he's a fine man, worthy of leading this optimistic and good-hearted country.

Our different faiths come together in the same moral creed. We believe that in every life there is goodness; for every person, there is hope. Each one of us was made for a reason, bearing the image and likeness of the Lord of Life.

We have responsibilities, one to another- we do not each face the world alone. And the greatest of all responsibilities, is that of the strong to protect the weak. The truest measure of any society is how it treats those who cannot defend or care for themselves.

Each of these great moral ideas is essential to democratic government- to the rule of law, to life in a humane and decent society. They are the moral creed of our country, as powerful in our time, as on the day of America's founding. They are self-evident and unchanging, and sometimes, even presidents need reminding, that our rights come from nature and God, not from government.

The founding generation secured those rights for us, and in every generation since, the best among us have defended our freedoms. They are protecting us right now. We honor them and all our veterans, and we thank them.

The right that makes all the difference now, is the right to choose our own leaders. And you are entitled to the clearest possible choice, because the time for choosing is drawing near. So here is our pledge.

We will not duck the tough issues, we will lead.

We will not spend four years blaming others, we will take responsibility.

We will not try to replace our founding principles, we will reapply our founding principles.

The work ahead will be hard. These times demand the best of us- all of us, but we can do this. Together, we can do this.

We can get this country working again. We can get this economy growing again. We can make the safety net safe again. We can do this.

Whatever your political party, let's come together for the sake of our country. Join Mitt Romney and me. Let's give this effort everything we have. Let's see this through all the way. Let's get this done.

BigBadBrian
08-31-2012, 08:04 AM
Again, let's see if our Liberal Friends can dispute/debate the merits of this speech ON THEIR OWN without using any liberal news sources or opinion pieces that obviously are biased against conservatives. Without insults or name-calling. I'll bet they can't.

BigBadBrian
08-31-2012, 08:06 AM
Again, debate the merits of the speech without name-calling or insults.

ELVIS
08-31-2012, 08:10 AM
Where would the fun be in that ??

ELVIS
08-31-2012, 08:46 AM
True American travesties ??

Is that a TV show ??

Nickdfresh
08-31-2012, 09:13 AM
...and Paul Ryan continually makes Obama look simply foolish concerning economic matters.

Um, how is that? How's the economy in his Wisconsin district he occasionally remembers elected him to Congress? This guy is just a bullshitter...

DLR Bridge
08-31-2012, 09:45 AM
True American travesties ??

Is that a TV show ??

Could be.

fourthcoming
08-31-2012, 10:03 AM
Your boy Paul Ryan is still a clown. He missed his calling....should have been a spin doctor the way he manipulates the truth to suit his own needs. Typical politician. No different than any other.....only difference between him and Obama is the teleprompter. Not much difference between the useless bleeding heart liberal left wing and the useless conservative right wing. They are all about themselves and their own agenda.....not "We the People". Romney and Paul are really going to change the state of affairs in this country? That's about as naive as everyone thinking Obama and Clueless Joe were going to change this country.

Nickdfresh
08-31-2012, 11:35 AM
Ryan taken to task for litany of lies

By Jerry Zremski

BUFFALO News Washington Bureau Chief (http://www.buffalonews.com/city/politics/article1032040.ece)

Updated: August 31, 2012, 7:19 AM

TAMPA, Fla. - Paul Ryan lied. Again and again.

That was the consensus Thursday as media fact-checkers pored over the Republican vice presidential nominee's convention speech from a night earlier.

Thanks to several spurious claims and misleading statements, Ryan's speech went from inspiring Republicans on the convention floor to infuriating independent critics in the blogosphere in a matter of minutes.

And as Mitt Romney prepared to accept the Republican nomination, the anger over Ryan's misrepresentations drew new attention to Romney and some of his own questionable claims.

But for the moment, the harshest light shone on Ryan.

"To anyone paying the slightest bit of attention to facts, Ryan's speech was an apparent attempt to set the world record for the greatest number of blatant lies and misrepresentations slipped into a single political speech," wrote Sally Kohn, a Fox News contributor.

What did Ryan say that was so wrong?

Well, let's go down the list, one by one.

The claim: President Obama did nothing to prevent the closing of a General Motors plant in Ryan's hometown.

The truth: The plant closed before Obama became president.

This appeared to the most blatant whopper of the night.

Ryan told the crowd: "Right there at that plant, candidate Obama said: 'I believe that if our government is there to support you ... this plant will be here for another hundred years.' That's what he said in 2008. Well, as it turned out, that plant didn't last another year."

The implication of that paragraph is clear: Obama let the plant die.

Except he had nothing to do with it. GM mothballed the plant Dec. 23, 2008 - nearly a month before Obama became president, according to the Business Journal of Milwaukee.

Several fact-checkers pointed out that other GM plants most likely would have been forced to shut down without a government-backed bailout of the auto industry. Ryan supported a limited auto bailout in late 2008 but strongly opposed the broader auto bailout that Obama pushed through shortly after taking office, which Romney opposed as well.

The claim: "The greatest threat to Medicare is 'Obamacare.'?"

The truth: The Obama health care law added eight years to the life of the Medicare hospital trust fund.

Ryan said Obama's health care law "funneled" $716 billion out of Medicare to pay for a "new entitlement": health care for all.

This is a new and powerful Republican argument, and it's grossly misleading.

"Medicare's money isn't being taken away," FactCheck.org wrote in a review of Ryan's speech.

Yes, the Obama health care law cut $716 billion out of the projected future growth in Medicare. But that money will not come out of benefits for senior citizens. It will come out of payments to insurers and Medicare providers, including those offering "Medicare Advantage" plans that have proved to be far more expensive to the government than traditional Medicare.

What's more, the budget plan that Ryan drew up - which has become his trademark - includes the very same cuts in future Medicare spending.

And those cuts are not aimed at promoting "Obamacare." The nonpartisan trustees that oversee Medicare said in their most recent report that those cuts mean that the Medicare hospital trust fund will remain solvent until 2024 rather than 2016, when it was set to go broke if the cuts had not been made.

The claim: Obama "did exactly nothing" to enact the budget plan put forth by his own fiscal commission.

The truth: Ryan was one of the commission members who voted to bar the fiscal commission's report from coming to a vote in Congress.

Sure enough, Obama didn't push the bipartisan budget plan put forth by his fiscal commission. But Ryan did Obama one better by actually voting against the Simpson-Bowles fiscal commission proposal. The 18-member panel needed 14 votes to move its plan to Congress, and Ryan voted no after criticizing the plan's tax hikes. In light of that, PolitiFact.com, the Pulitzer Prize-winning website set up by the Tampa Bay Times, said Ryan had made "a striking omission." As a result, "Paul Ryan's charge was a doozy."

The claim: In the Obama stimulus, "you, the working men and women of this country, were cut out of the deal."

The truth: More than a quarter of the stimulus went to tax cuts for the working men and women of America.

Ryan called the stimulus legislation "a case of political patronage, corporate welfare and cronyism at their worst," and parts of it appear to be just that. Most notoriously, a $527 million stimulus loan went to Solyndra where Obama staged a photo op, and the energy company later went bankrupt.

But cases such as Solyndra make up a small part of the $831 billion stimulus package.

In fact, about $230 billion of the stimulus came in the form of tax cuts, according to the nonpartisan Joint Committee on Taxation.

That fact made Ryan guilty of what FactCheck.org called "stimulus deceit."

The bottom line: Ryan took liberties with the truth that were unusually egregious, even in the wink-and-a-nod world of national politics.

And the media noticed, and cried foul.

"Ryan takes factual shortcuts in speech," read the headline on an analysis from the just-the-facts, down-the-middle Associated Press.

The Daily Beast website was a bit more harsh, headlining its analysis: "Paul Ryan's Convention Speech and His Web of Lies."

And James Fallows wrote on TheAtlantic.com: "I wonder how he convinced himself it was OK to say things he knew were probably wrong in front of tens of millions of people."

jzremski@buffnews.com

Nickdfresh
08-31-2012, 11:40 AM
Again, let's see if our Liberal Friends can dispute/debate the merits of this speech ON THEIR OWN without using any liberal news sources or opinion pieces that obviously are biased against conservatives. Without insults or name-calling. I'll bet they can't.

You mean like "fact checking?" Douche.

Feel free to find the bias in the fact checks of Ryan's blatant lies, dummy. Is it "liberal bias" that Ryan stated that Obama closed the GM Plant in his district when it actually closed under W.? Really? Cover this guy's asshole all you want, but he's either a smarmy cunt or an incompetent...

BigBadBrian
08-31-2012, 11:45 AM
Ryan taken to task for litany of lies

By Jerry Zremski

BUFFALO News Washington Bureau Chief (http://www.buffalonews.com/city/politics/article1032040.ece)



I knew a liberal couldn't come up with his own views. :gulp:

BigBadBrian
08-31-2012, 11:51 AM
The claim: President Obama did nothing to prevent the closing of a General Motors plant in Ryan's hometown.

The truth: The plant closed before Obama became president.



I'll point out one example how the Liberals are twisting the truth on Paul Ryan.

Nick, you're not very good at fact-checking your own shitty opinion pieces. Paul claimed that CANDIDATE OBAMA was doing nothing to prevent the closure of a GM plant in his hometown and was closed in less than a year. He said nothing of the sort that PRESIDENT Obama was at fault.

You Dumbocrats are all flash and no substance, just like the Socialist in Chief. :gulp:

Nickdfresh
08-31-2012, 11:53 AM
I knew a liberal couldn't come up with his own views. :gulp:

My political views are based on actual facts, and information, you know? Things you haven't a fucking clue about...

Nickdfresh
08-31-2012, 11:55 AM
I'll point out one example how the Liberals are twisting the truth on Paul Ryan.

Nick, you're not very good at fact-checking your own shitty opinion pieces. Paul claimed that CANDIDATE OBAMA was doing nothing to prevent the closure of a GM plant in his hometown and was closed in less than a year. He said nothing of the sort that PRESIDENT Obama was at fault.

You Dumbocrats are all flash and no substance, just like the Socialist in Chief. :gulp:

Well, then that makes him FUCKING RETARDED! What is a "CANDIDATE" supposed to do about a plant closing in another state? I guess all plant closings are CANDIDATE RYAN'S and ROMNEY'S faults from now on for not be elected or elected on time.

I guess he was actually saying that Republicans are such retarded fuckwits, that competent Democrats are to blame when they fail...

Va Beach VH Fan
08-31-2012, 02:39 PM
I said, I hope it's not a deal-breaker Mitt, but my playlist starts with AC/DC, and ends with Zeppelin.

The one part of his speech where this will be given....

http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k55/ferr3816/Slow-Clap.gif

gbranton
08-31-2012, 04:06 PM
they were ALL liars.

But the Democrats, they are always truthful and honest, right? :rolleyes:


ROFLMMFAO!


Cliff notes version of all these threads: "I don't like those ____________ fucking lying assed crooks over there who are stealing everyone blind and sending us over a cliff............I like THESE ____________ fucking lying assed crooks over HERE who are stealing everyone blind and sending us over a cliff".

Nickdfresh
09-03-2012, 09:15 PM
Fact Check: Paul Ryan's Jimmy Carter Comments
By Shushannah Walshe | ABC OTUS News – 1 hr 2 mins ago

GREENVILLE, N.C. - Paul Ryan is not only the GOP vice presidential nominee, he's also the House Budget Chair, and obsessed with data and numbers, but despite his passion for math, some numbers he threw out with a new attack line today need some fact checking.

Let's start at the beginning. In comparing President Obama to Jimmy Carter, Ryan said in July 1980 the unemployment rate was 7.8 percent and "for the past 42 months it's been above 8 percent under Barack Obama's failed leadership."

Both parts of this sentence are true according to the Department of Labor Bureau of Labor Statistics, but in July 1983, when Ronald Reagan was president, unemployment was at 9.4 percent. In July 1982 it was higher at 9.8 percent.

In July 1992, when George H.W. Bush was president, unemployment was at 7.7 percent.

Is what Ryan said factually correct? Yes, but it leaves out some important data.

The next statement Ryan made was that in 1980 "330,000 businesses filed for bankruptcy. Last year, under President Obama's failed leadership, 1.4 million businesses field for bankruptcy."

This is not true. According to American Bankruptcy Institute, under Carter 331,264 businesses and non-businesses filed for bankruptcy. That number includes not just businesses, but personal bankruptcies as well. In 1980, there were 43,694 business bankruptcies and 287, 570 non-business bankruptcies.

Ryan also got it wrong with regard to the number of business bankruptcies last year. In 2011, there were 1, 410, 653 total bankruptcies. Of that number 47,806 were business bankruptcies and 1,362,847 were non-business bankruptcies.

So did he misspeak or purposefully manipulate the data to make it sound worse?

"He obviously misspoke, but it's still an apples to apples comparison," Ryan spokesman Brendan Buck said. "The point remains: bankruptcies are up dramatically under President Obama compared to the Carter years."

Yet it's important to note that bankruptcies are down dramatically under President Obama, compared to the Bush years.

Business bankruptcies hit a record 71,549 in 1991, when George H.W. Bush was president, second only to 1985, under Reagan, when 71,277 businesses filed.

A record number of Americans - more than 2 million - filed for personal bankruptcy in 2005.

Ryan's next line looks to be correct: "Take a look at people who are having a hard time making their mortgage payments: 77,000 delinquent mortgages by the time Jimmy Carter left office; under President Obama, 3 million."

According to the Mortgage Bankers Association, in the third quarter of 1980 there were 76,885 delinquent mortgages, while in the second quarter of this year there were 3,107,247.

Politicians are known to both misspeak and fudge the data, but not all are as close to the numbers as Ryan, who in Congress studies them himself, instead of leaning on aides to do it for him.

ABC News' Susanna Kim, Elizabeth Hartfield, and Chris Good contributed to this report.

Link (http://news.yahoo.com/fact-check-paul-ryans-jimmy-carter-comments-234215903--abc-news-politics.html)

ELVIS
09-03-2012, 10:00 PM
Nobody cares, dickforbreath...

Nickdfresh
09-03-2012, 10:23 PM
Your wife cares, she's got her phone on vibrate!

FORD
09-03-2012, 10:25 PM
Nobody cares, dickforbreath...

Well, when the corporate media is trying to sell Eddie Munster as a "straight shooter" and an honest man, and his speech is full of half-truths and outright LIES, then somebody had better care.

ELVIS
09-03-2012, 10:31 PM
Obama is going to win...

If the system wanted a republican to win they would have put up a real candidate...

The left/right bullshit game is rigged...

Stop pretending you have a choice...

Nickdfresh
09-03-2012, 10:33 PM
Obama is going to win...

If the system wanted a republican to win they would have put up a real candidate...

The left/right bullshit game is rigged...

Stop pretending you have a choice...


This from the knob that was commenting on how much better Bush was that Kerry!

ELVIS
09-03-2012, 10:34 PM
He was...

Kerry is an elitist snob...

FORD
09-03-2012, 10:37 PM
He was...

Kerry is an elitist snob...

And the BCE aren't??

Did you forget what Babs Crowley Bush said to your own neighbors made homeless by Katrina and seeking shelter in a fucking football stadium?

How about Chimpy's comment that the "haves and the have mores" were his "base"?

Nickdfresh
09-03-2012, 10:39 PM
He was...

Kerry is an elitist snob...

LOL And Bush was a salt-of-the-earth everyman? Really? I mean, Really?

ELVIS
09-03-2012, 10:40 PM
They still seemed more level headed than the Kerry camp...

Nickdfresh
09-03-2012, 10:45 PM
They still seemed more level headed than the Kerry camp...

Perceptions like that is why we're fucked...

jhale667
09-03-2012, 10:46 PM
:rolleyes:

FORD
09-03-2012, 11:46 PM
Let's compare old "level headed" Chimpy Bush to some of our nations previous leaders.....


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dGFepfTj9U