Romney Now Says He Is In Favor Of Some Parts Of Obamacare

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  • Hardrock69
    DIAMOND STATUS
    • Feb 2005
    • 21834

    Romney Now Says He Is In Favor Of Some Parts Of Obamacare

    He is a traitor to the Republican Party and anyone who votes for him is a traitor to the Party also.





    Within Hours, Mitt Romney Takes Back Everything He Said About Preexisting Conditions

    —By Kevin Drum
    | Sun Sep. 9, 2012 5:01 PM PDT

    On national TV on Sunday morning, with millions of people watching, Mitt Romney told David Gregory that there were parts of Obamacare he actually liked. In fact, he said, one of the goals of his health care plan "is to make sure that those with preexisting conditions can get coverage." A few hours later, with approximately zero people listening, a spokesman quietly "clarified" what he meant:

    In reference to how Romney would deal with those with preexisting conditions and young adults who want to remain on their parents’ plans, a Romney aide responded that there had been no change in Romney's position and that "in a competitive environment, the marketplace will make available plans that include coverage for what there is demand for. He was not proposing a federal mandate to require insurance plans to offer those particular features."

    As it happens, we already have a competitive market for individual insurance. In addition, we already have demand for coverage of preexisting conditions. And yet, the marketplace doesn't make policies available to people with preexisting conditions.

    Why? Because policies that cover preexisting conditions are big money losers unless you charge premiums high enough that no one could afford them. Because of that, nobody bothers to offer them in the first place. That's how the free market works. It would be nice if Romney could explain how he intends to square this circle.

    It would also be nice if the mainstream press reported the fact that Romney doesn't plan to make sure those with preexisting conditions can get health coverage just as loudly as they reported his original misstatement. I'm not holding my breath.

    UPDATE: BuzzFeed passes along yet another clarification. According to an aide, "Gov. Romney will ensure that discrimination against individuals with preexisting conditions who maintain continuous coverage is prohibited."

    This has long been Romney's position, and it's not clear if it's meaningful or not. This kind of protection has been the law of the land since 1996 for people with group coverage. And people who lose group coverage already qualify for individual COBRA coverage for 18 months. So the only way Romney's statement means anything is if he's saying he would pass a law that requires insurance companies to offer permanent individual coverage at a reasonable price to people who lose their group coverage. Needless to say, Romney has never actually committed to that particular detail.

    UPDATE 2: And keep in mind that even if Romney did commit to this detail, it's still far, far less than Obamacare's preexisting conditions provision, which is what Romney originally implied he supported. Obamacare simply guarantees that you can get health coverage, full stop, no matter what preexisting conditions you may have.
  • Satan
    ROTH ARMY ELITE
    • Jan 2004
    • 6663

    #2
    Well, considering the whole thing was copied from HIS plan, it was pretty fucking stupid for him to claim to be opposed to it in the first place.

    It would be like ME claiming to be opposed to FIRE!!
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    Originally posted by Sockfucker
    I've been in several mental institutions but not in Bakersfield.

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    • DavidLeeNatra
      TOASTMASTER GENERAL
      • Jan 2004
      • 10703

      #3
      can't wait for Romney's "I suck dicks for votes"-campaign when he suddenly comes to fight for gay marriage, too...
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      • ZahZoo
        ROTH ARMY WEBMASTER

        • Jan 2004
        • 8966

        #4
        One has to ask... if majority of the American public favors regulation that forces coverage of people with pre-existing conditions and the ability to carry your kids on your insurance to age 26, which are two of the most popular features in the American Care Act...

        Does Romney's supporting that make "him" the traitor... or those that oppose it the real traitors?

        I'd say the later.

        How about it's time Washington listen to what the American public wants...
        "If you want to be a monk... you gotta cook a lot of rice...”

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        • DavidLeeNatra
          TOASTMASTER GENERAL
          • Jan 2004
          • 10703

          #5
          Originally posted by ZahZoo
          How about it's time Washington listen to what the American public wants...
          are you fucking nuts???
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          • jhale667
            DIAMOND STATUS
            • Aug 2004
            • 20929

            #6
            Originally posted by ZahZoo
            How about it's time Washington listen to what the American public wants...

            Y'know, that sounds great in theory, but has it ever happened? Begs the question...


            Originally posted by DavidLeeNatra
            are you fucking nuts???


            Originally posted by conmee
            If anyone even thinks about deleting the Muff Thread they are banned.... no questions asked.

            That is all.

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            Originally posted by GO-SPURS-GO
            I've seen prominent hypocrite liberal on this site Jhale667


            Originally posted by Isaac R.
            Then it's really true??:eek:

            The Muff Thread is really just GONE ???

            OMFG...who in their right mind...???
            Originally posted by eddie78
            I was wrong about you, brother. You're good.

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            • Hardrock69
              DIAMOND STATUS
              • Feb 2005
              • 21834

              #7
              Zahzoo....it is merely pointing out that the Republican party platform in this election is to repeal Obamacare.

              ALL OF IT.

              If Mittens suddenly decides to go against the party platform, he is a traitor in the minds of hard core Republicans.

              And so I am pointing that out to them.


              Tonight on ABC News, they said that now in the latest Gallup poll, it is something like Obama 52% and Romney 45%.

              I know...such numbers are irrelevant, as they are just for the group of people in the current poll.

              But another part of the story is how the high-up mucky-mucks in the Retardlican party are starting to heavily criticize Mittens and Ryan because they still have no plans for anything.

              Diane Sawyer has been verbally abusing Ryan rather easily....pointing out how he and Mittens talk a lot of talk but have no concrete plans for the economy, foreign policy, national security, etc., and Ry-uns has no rational or valid answers to give her. She ends up making him look pretty fucking stupid. Obviously he is eager to help.


              Here is what this scenario looks like to me.

              It looks like the Republicans are not actually running for office.

              They appear to be faking it. Much like McCain was in 2008. No other reason he shot his campaign in the foot by naming Stoopid Palin as his running mate.

              Obama is the shoe-in for the election and Mittens has decided it is not even necessary for him to make any plans as he is not scheduled to be elected in 2012 anyway. This is why he has no problem admitting that he is lying about just about everything.....if he loses the election, he can say anything now, and it will be irrelevant.
              Last edited by Hardrock69; 09-12-2012, 02:43 AM.

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              • Nickdfresh
                SUPER MODERATOR

                • Oct 2004
                • 49125

                #8
                Originally posted by Hardrock69
                ...
                Here is what this scenario looks like to me.

                It looks like the Republicans are not actually running for office.

                They appear to be faking it. Much like McCain was in 2008. No other reason he shot his campaign in the foot by naming Stoopid Palin as his running mate.

                ....
                Interesting point. I don't think they're faking it, but I sense that many are already throwing in the towel and preparing for four more years....

                Whatever happened to the poster 4MoreYears? I wish he'd log in.

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                • BigBadBrian
                  TOASTMASTER GENERAL
                  • Jan 2004
                  • 10620

                  #9
                  Originally posted by ZahZoo
                  One has to ask... if majority of the American public favors regulation that forces coverage of people with pre-existing conditions and the ability to carry your kids on your insurance to age 26, which are two of the most popular features in the American Care Act...

                  Does Romney's supporting that make "him" the traitor... or those that oppose it the real traitors?

                  I'd say the later.

                  How about it's time Washington listen to what the American public wants...
                  Agreed. There are items in Obamacare that I would say most Americans, including most conservatives, agree with. The Pre-existing conditions issue is one of them.
                  “If bullshit was currency, Joe Biden would be a billionaire.” - George W. Bush

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                  • BigBadBrian
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                    • Jan 2004
                    • 10620

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Hardrock69
                    Zahzoo....it is merely pointing out that the Republican party platform in this election is to repeal Obamacare.

                    ALL OF IT.
                    Yes, and then work with the Democrats for a reasonable bipartisan plan for healthcare reform, not something shoved down America's throat. Saving Medicare should be one of the main goals. As it is now, Medicare is unsustainable, not to mention that alot of healthcare facilities and doctors are dropping Medicare because Barry's plan tries to save money by reducing the reimbursements to those entities.
                    “If bullshit was currency, Joe Biden would be a billionaire.” - George W. Bush

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                    • ZahZoo
                      ROTH ARMY WEBMASTER

                      • Jan 2004
                      • 8966

                      #11
                      Originally posted by BigBadBrian
                      Agreed. There are items in Obamacare that I would say most Americans, including most conservatives, agree with. The Pre-existing conditions issue is one of them.
                      The second item I mentioned... allowing your kids to stay on your health insurance until 26 is another key point. There's a very good reason no one is crying foul over this because it's a win-win for almost everyone.

                      First and foremost the kids are getting coverage at a time when it's least available for them, especially if they aren't landing top jobs that provide benefits. Second the insurance industry is getting increased full premiums for an age group generally in their best health of their life and lowest expectancy of financial risk to insurers. While employers and parents are footing the bill for premiums is a downside... corporate motives run deeper. Allow the employee to insure their kids... then they can up co-payments to reduce their costs, suppress salary growth to improve their bottom line...value to the share holders and keep the employees locked into slavery to keep those benefits. Health industry benefits... people with insurance go to the doctor more frequently than not.

                      We haven't even gotten to the meat of this discussion yet... Now why are the Republicans "appearing" to have no plan and seem to be holding back even in supporting Romney..?

                      I believe there's a bigger plan brewing no matter who gets elected to the White House. But... I firmly believe the focus is a play on the somewhat strange Supreme Court ruling that classified the insurance mandate as a "Tax". That ruling wasn't exactly in line with the court's general political leanings... I really was expecting the mandate provision to fall. But now think there's something more sinister in play...

                      By classifying the mandate as a tax, clearly puts the matter into the realm/control of the legislative branch. I don't know what direction this thing is going to go but... If there's anything Congress can muck with and generate it's Tax related bullshit. I just have a feeling some surprise legislation that will take down ObamaCare is being crafted and will emerge after the inauguration... It will be centered on the "Tax" classification...
                      "If you want to be a monk... you gotta cook a lot of rice...”

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                      • Seshmeister
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                        • Oct 2003
                        • 35157

                        #12

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                        • ELVIS
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                          • Dec 2003
                          • 44120

                          #13
                          Romney's lying...

                          If elected he's gonna find a reason not to get rid of Obamacare...

                          it will probably be Romneycare...

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                          • FORD
                            ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

                            • Jan 2004
                            • 58754

                            #14
                            Originally posted by ELVIS
                            Romney's lying...

                            If elected he's gonna find a reason not to get rid of Obamacare...

                            it will probably be Romneycare...
                            Of course it will.

                            But he won't re-launch it until Bain CrapAllOverItAll buys one of the major insurance companies, like United Health Care or BlueCross/Blue Shield.

                            And then he would replace Medicare with Eddie Munster's Randtard Voucher bullshit, with the vouchers only redeemable at the insurance corporation he just bought.
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                            • FORD
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                              • Jan 2004
                              • 58754

                              #15
                              Originally posted by BigBadBrian
                              Agreed. There are items in Obamacare that I would say most Americans, including most conservatives, agree with. The Pre-existing conditions issue is one of them.
                              Originally posted by BigBadBrian
                              Yes, and then work with the Democrats for a reasonable bipartisan plan for healthcare reform, not something shoved down America's throat. Saving Medicare should be one of the main goals. As it is now, Medicare is unsustainable, not to mention that alot of healthcare facilities and doctors are dropping Medicare because Barry's plan tries to save money by reducing the reimbursements to those entities.
                              Why bother going through all the trouble of filibusters and bullshit negotiations over a corporate "solution", when the most efficient, effective and logical answer is simply to expand Medicare to everyone?
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