U.S. Ambassador Killed by Terrorists in Libya

[Nickdfresh]

U.S. ambassador to Libya killed in Benghazi attack
By Hadeel Al Shalchi | Reuters – 4 mins 27 secs ago
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BENGHAZI, Libya (Reuters) - The U.S. ambassador to Libya and three embassy staff were killed as they rushed away from a consulate building in Benghazi, stormed by al Qaeda-linked gunmen blaming America for a film that they said insulted the Prophet Mohammad.

Gunmen had attacked and set fire to the U.S. consulate in the eastern city of Benghazi, the cradle of last year's uprising against Muammar Gaddafi's 42-year rule, late on Tuesday evening as another assault was mounted on the U.S. embassy in Cairo.

The California-born ambassador, Christopher Stevens, was trying to leave the consulate building for a safer location as part of an evacuation when gunmen launched an intense attack, apparently forcing security personnel to withdraw.

"The American ambassador and three staff members were killed when gunmen fired rockets in their direction," a Libyan official in Benghazi told Reuters. Airport sources said the bodies were due to be flown from Benghazi to Tripoli.

The attack was believed to have been carried out by Ansar al-Sharia, an al Qaeda-style Sunni Islamist group that has been active in Benghazi, a Libyan security official said. Witnesses said the mob also included tribesmen, militia and other gunmen.

The attack raised questions about the future U.S. diplomatic presence in Libya, relations between Washington and Tripoli, the unstable security situation in post-Gaddafi Libya and whether more protests might take place in the Muslim world.

The film portrayed Mohammad as a fool, a philanderer and a religious fake. In one clip posted on YouTube, Mohammad was shown in an apparent sexual act with a woman. For many Muslims it is blasphemous even to show a depiction of the Prophet.

U.S. President Barack Obama, whose administration supported the Libyan insurgency with funds, weapons and training, branded the killing an "outrageous attack" and ordered increased security at U.S. diplomatic posts worldwide.

KARZAI CONDEMNS "DEVILISH ACT"

A Danish newspaper caused a storm of protest across Islamic nations in 2005 by printing cartoons lampooning Islam and the Prophet Mohammad in 2005, the most famous depicted him wearing a bomb in his turban. The images touched off riots in the Middle East, Africa and Asia in 2006 in which at least 50 people died.

Afghan President Hamid Karzai sharply condemned the film in a statement, calling its making a "devilish act", saying he was certain those involved in its production represented a very small minority.

U.S. ambassadors in such volatile countries as Libya are accompanied by tight security, usually travelling in well-protected convoys. Diplomatic missions are usually protected by marines or other special forces.

Stevens grew up in California, graduated from Berkeley and worked in North Africa as a Peace Corps volunteer. He taught English in Morocco before joining the foreign service where he worked in the Middle East and North Africa.

Libya's interim government has struggled to impose its authority on a myriad of armed groups that refused to lay down their weapons and often take the law into their own hands.

Security experts say the area around Benghazi is host to a number of Islamist militant groups who oppose any Western presence in Muslim countries.

The worst-case scenario for Western governments is that a spate of recent attacks could be the start of an Iraq-style insurgency by Islamist militants. That could have an impact on oil exports as the energy sector depends on foreign workers.

However, security analysts say an insurgency is unlikely to gain the kind of traction it had in Iraq, mainly because Western states have no military presence on the ground in Libya.

Libyan Deputy Prime Minister Mustafa Abu Shagour condemned the killing of the U.S. diplomats as a cowardly act.

INTENSE ATTACK

The consular officials were killed after heavy clashes between Libyan security forces and Islamist militants around the consulate building. Looters raided the empty compound and some onlookers took pictures after calm returned.

"The Libyan security forces came under heavy fire and we were not prepared for the intensity of the attack," said Abdel-Monem Al-Hurr, spokesman for Libya's Supreme Security Committee.

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[Va Beach VH Fan]

And of course, Romney is already blasting Obama....

Just what exactly does he want Obama to do? Carpet bomb Libya?

[Nickdfresh]

Mitt Romney is now of course taking advantage of a tragedy to slam the Admin for cheap partisan points....

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[Nickdfresh]

And of course, Romney is already blasting Obama....

Just what exactly does he want Obama to do? Carpet bomb Libya?

Well, the least he could have done was not supply his fellow Muslim terrorists with the weapons to blow our consulate up...

[jhale667]

How insecure in your faith (and pathetic) are you if you get violent because someone supposedly criticizes your god? Sorry, they're all open for criticism. I hate zealots.

[jhale667]

Hillary Clinton Strongly Condemns Attacks On Libyan Embassy: ‘There Is No Justification For This’



http://www.mediaite.com/tv/hillary-clinton-strongly-condemns-attacks-on-libyan-embassy-there-is-no-justification-for-this/

On Wednesday, U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton addressed the attacks on America’s embassy in Libya on September 11, in which four American service personnel were killed including the American ambassador.

Clinton began by outlining the details of the attack, which included armed militants storming the American mission in Benghazi, Libya.


“American and Libyan security personnel battled the attackers together,” said Clinton. “Four Americans were killed.”

She named the Americans killed in the attack, including America’s Ambassador to Libya Chris Stevens.

“This is an attack that should shock the conscience of people of all faiths around the world,” said Clinton. “We condemn in the strongest terms this senseless act of violence and we send our prayers to the families, friends and colleagues of those we’ve lost.”

Clinton said that American diplomats are in danger every day in the service of “our country and our values.” She eulogized Stevens, who spent much of his career working to advance American interests in North Africa.

“This is not easy,” said Clinton. “Today, many Americans are asking – indeed, I asked myself – how could this happen? How could this happen in a country we helped liberate in a city we helped save from destruction?”

“This question reflects just how complicated, and at times how confounding, the world can be,” Clinton continued. “But we must be clear-eyed even in our grief. This was an attack by a small and savage group — not the people or government of Libya.”

She said that the people of Libya are overwhelmingly supportive of the United States which helped liberate the country from the rule of Muammar Gadhafi in 2011. S

“A free and stable Libya is still in America’s interest and security, and we will not turn our back on that,” Clinton concluded.

Some have sought t justify this vicious behavior, along with the protest that took place at our embassy in Cairo yesterday, as a response to inflammatory material posted on the internet. America’s commitment to religious tolerance goes back to the very beginning of our nation, but let me be clear: there is no justification for this. None. Violence like this is no way to honor religion or faith. And as long gas there are those who would take innocent life in the name of God, the world will never know a true and lasting peace.

[Va Beach VH Fan]

I'm being serious though....

Just what do Romney, or John McCain, EXPECT Obama to do?

Want the SEALs to go in?

Drone the fuck out of who?

It's very convenient to blabber bullshit like that when YOU aren't the one making the calls....

[envy_me]

I am so discusted by these actions. Islam is dangerous. They've been trying to off Lars Vilks for years now.

[Va Beach VH Fan]

And, by the way, this incident reminds me about my time overseas, almost 10 years worth....

You never know what's going to happen overseas.... You guys know I've had a couple close calls overseas.....

Right down the street from a IRA bombing in London in '96....

Right down the street from a targeted American murder in the Philippines in '90.....

Not to mention being right down the street from the Pentagon on 9/11....

Yeah, the travel and the culture are nice, but there are always inherent risks living overseas....

[BigBadBrian]

I'm being serious though....

Just what do Romney, or John McCain, EXPECT Obama to do?

Want the SEALs to go in?

Drone the fuck out of who?

It's very convenient to blabber bullshit like that when YOU aren't the one making the calls....

Barry will probably send a strongly-worded letter of disapproval of this workplace violence. :gulp:

[Va Beach VH Fan]

Barry will probably send a strongly-worded letter of disapproval of this workplace violence. :gulp:

OK, very funny....

I'll ask the question to you Brian, what do you want Obama to do?

[Nickdfresh]

I'm being serious though....

Just what do Romney, or John McCain, EXPECT Obama to do?

Want the SEALs to go in?

Drone the fuck out of who?

It's very convenient to blabber bullshit like that when YOU aren't the one making the calls....


Apparently there was a statement out of the U.S. Embassy in Cairo apologizing for the Youtube film on the Prophet, but that statement wasn't cleared or written by the Obama Admin and the statement was read out before the attacks or the knowledge of them...

I imagine there are special ops people on the way to Libya and probably some aid for the Libyan disparate armed forces the gov't is trying to forge into a single, disciplined army...

[envy_me]

OK, very funny....

I'll ask the question to you Brian, what do you want Obama to do?

Well, he should learn to read minds, predict all these sort of things and change the way the islamsts think. Couldn't you figure it out :D

[ThrillsNSpills]

I am waiting to hear all about this being done by the, BCE or Black Water, by the loonies, FORD

or Nick or Lounge, mainly like the WTC bombings and 911 all, done by the CIA and this must be also, because the Muslim community isn't capable of rage irrationally directed, due to someone making fun of their invisible sky daddy or for just being, a American.

All those secretaries who commited suicide inside the WTC.

The BCE hates those bitches, oh wait,.... they are hidden away at area 51...my bad.

I don't understand how they could bomb a car without a airplane flown by a drone pilot and a cruise missle camouflaged to look exactly like a 727 passenger airliner. This 727 was camouflaged to look like a bazooka round.

Lots of work for Union Welders there..yeap. Good clean Teamsters work ethic.




look, lunch:
http://www.northcoastjournal.com/013108/CVR-bowl-of-pillies.jpg

[jhale667]

Islam is dangerous.

No more than Christianity, so if you're about to go off on some anti-Islam rant, STFU in advance. Any religion can be corrupted, and the majority have been already.

[jhale667]

Go fuck yourself, THOMO.

[Nickdfresh]

Idiot drug and cheap beer addled posts contained in order to prevent derail and thread spam...

[envy_me]

No more than Christianity, so if you're about to go off on some anti-Islam rant, STFU in advance. Any religion can be corrupted, and the majority have been already.

Right now, it is more dangerous then christianity. Inquisition was dangerous, but now christianity is a joke. You won't see large group christians causing riots over a cartoon. Not in Europe at least.

[BigBadBrian]

I'm being serious though....

Just what do Romney, or John McCain, EXPECT Obama to do?



It took Obama and Hillary quite awhile to condemn these attacks. The embassy itself was quick to defend "the feelings of Muslims" when the clip itself was shown on TV.

[Nickdfresh]

It took Obama and Hillary quite awhile to condemn these attacks. The embassy itself was quick to defend "the feelings of Muslims" when the clip itself was shown on TV.

Yeah, because secretly they approved of the attacks and condemnations of terrorist groups are really meaningful and gainful...

[ZahZoo]

Right now, it is more dangerous then christianity. Inquisition was dangerous, but now christianity is a joke. You won't see large group christians causing riots over a cartoon. Not in Europe at least.

One can almost envision a huge group of Southern Baptists storming the Libyan and Egyptian embassies in the US wearing KKK table-clothes and replacing their flag with the Confederate flag...

[envy_me]

One can almost envision a huge group of Southern Baptists storming the Libyan and Egyptian embassies in the US wearing KKK table-clothes and replacing their flag with the Confederate flag...

Yeah, I mean, what is going on there? And the abortion thing?
Here, at least, christianity is pretty harmless.

[FORD]

Sam Bacile, Anti-Islam Filmmaker, In Hiding After Protests

AP | By SHAYA TAYEFE MOHAJER Posted: 09/12/2012 12:29 am Updated: 09/12/2012 10:25 am

LOS ANGELES (AP) — An Israeli filmmaker based in California went into hiding after a YouTube trailer of his movie attacking Islam's prophet Muhammad sparked angry assaults by ultra-conservative Muslims on U.S. missions in Egypt and Libya. The U.S. ambassador to Libya and three American members of his staff were killed.

Speaking by phone Tuesday from an undisclosed location, writer and director Sam Bacile remained defiant, saying Islam is a cancer and that the 56-year-old intended his film to be a provocative political statement condemning the religion.

Protesters angered over Bacile's film opened fire on and burned down the U.S. consulate in the eastern Libyan city of Benghazi. Libyan officials said Wednesday that Ambassador Chris Stevens was killed Tuesday night when he and a group of embassy employees went to the consulate to try to evacuate staff as the building came under attack by a mob firing machine guns and rocket propelled grenades.

In Egypt, protesters scaled the walls of the U.S. embassy in Cairo and replaced an American flag with an Islamic banner.

"This is a political movie," said Bacile. "The U.S. lost a lot of money and a lot of people in wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, but we're fighting with ideas."

Bacile, a California real estate developer who identifies himself as an Israeli Jew, said he believes the movie will help his native land by exposing Islam's flaws to the world.

"Islam is a cancer, period," he said repeatedly, his solemn voice thickly accented.

The two-hour movie, "Innocence of Muslims," cost $5 million to make and was financed with the help of more than 100 Jewish donors, said Bacile, who wrote and directed it.

The film claims Muhammad was a fraud. The14-minute trailer of the movie that reportedly set off the protests, posted on the website YouTube in an original English version and another dubbed into Egyptian Arabic, shows an amateur cast performing a wooden dialogue of insults disguised as revelations about Muhammad, whose obedient followers are presented as a cadre of goons.

It depicts Muhammad as a feckless philanderer who approved of child sexual abuse, among other overtly insulting claims that have caused outrage.

Muslims find it offensive to depict Muhammad in any manner, let alone insult the prophet. A Danish newspaper's 2005 publication of 12 caricatures of the prophet triggered riots in many Muslim countries.

Though Bacile was apologetic about the American who was killed as a result of the outrage over his film, he blamed lax embassy security and the perpetrators of the violence.

"I feel the security system (at the embassies) is no good," said Bacile. "America should do something to change it."

A consultant on the film, Steve Klein, said the filmmaker is concerned for family members who live in Egypt. Bacile declined to confirm.

Klein said he vowed to help Bacile make the movie but warned him that "you're going to be the next Theo van Gogh." Van Gogh was a Dutch filmmaker killed by a Muslim extremist in 2004 after making a film that was perceived as insulting to Islam.

"We went into this knowing this was probably going to happen," Klein said.

Bacile's film was dubbed into Egyptian Arabic by someone he doesn't know, but he speaks enough Arabic to confirm that the translation is accurate. It was made in three months in the summer of 2011, with 59 actors and about 45 people behind the camera.

The full film has been shown once, to a mostly empty theater in Hollywood earlier this year, said Bacile.

[Nitro Express]

So much for the Arab Spring. The situation is worse now as I predicted. People need to get it through their thick heads there is no political solution to the middle east. We can't solve their problems only they can solve them for themselves.

It's time to become energy independent, get the hell out of there and focus on the home front. We are a broke country falling apart and we no longer can afford to be the policeman of the world.

It's time to tell the people who make money off of war and oil to fuck off or send them off to fight in the wars they start and make money off of. I'm glad to hear Dick Cheney has a new functioning heart. Now we can send him over to the middle east to clear some mine fields with a fork.

[FORD]

As far as I'm concerned, these two assholes Bacile and Klein (and anyone else who "invested" in this project) are just as responsible for this murder as the bastards who committed it. And you know Daniel "Crack" Pipes the genocidal hate propagandist is mixed up in this shit, just like he was the Danish cartoons.

By the way, I watched the 13 minute trailer from this godawful movie, and it's fucking horrible. I was disgusted by it, and I'm not even Muslim. Mostly because it's just fucking horrible film making.

I mean "The Life of Brian" was fairly blasphemous, but at least it was FUNNY.

And no, I'm not posting that video here, or linking to it, given the shitstorm that GAyR brought upon this website a couple years ago. You can find it yourself, if you want.....

[Nitro Express]

My question is how did these people get into our embassy? Who let them in? There is a lot we don't know about this. To be honest, I have no respect for a religion that kills people over a cartoon or a low budget movie. Almost every major religion in the world gets made fun of and slandered. Most of them don't kill people because they didn't like what someone said about their beliefs. We try and smooth it over with all sorts of political correctness but at the end of the day, they are demanding special treatment or we will kill you. Honestly. How can you trust people like this?

[Nitro Express]

As far as I'm concerned, these two assholes Bacile and Klein (and anyone else who "invested" in this project) are just as responsible for this murder as the bastards who committed it. And you know Daniel "Crack" Pipes the genocidal hate propagandist is mixed up in this shit, just like he was the Danish cartoons.

By the way, I watched the 13 minute trailer from this godawful movie, and it's fucking horrible. I was disgusted by it, and I'm not even Muslim. Mostly because it's just fucking horrible film making.

I mean "The Life of Brian" was fairly blasphemous, but at least it was FUNNY.

And no, I'm not posting that video here, or linking to it, given the shitstorm that GAyR brought upon this website a couple years ago. You can find it yourself, if you want.....

Yeah but killing people who had nothing to do with it just because they come from the same country is far far worse than hurting someone's feelings. Hey I grew I Mormon and put up with a lot of shit for it. I constantly heard the jokes and the snide remarks. If I was a Muslim I guess I could have killed all the assholes who said derogatory stuff to me.

Everyone puts up with some shit. They don't like your family, they don't like what color you are, they don't like your religion or political ideology. Whatever. Most people blow it off and go on through life. Some people have a tizzy fit and kill people. In the middle east it's a lot of people who have a tizzy fit because their leaders hyped them up. Frankly the middle east is the part of the world that never grew up. Too many people there act like a disgruntled two year old. They have never had the freedom to think for themselves because they always have been under someone's thumb. That's why the place always needs a dictator in power to keep it together. It's not the dictators, it's the attitude of elements of the larger population.

[Nitro Express]

Anyways. Either this stuff just happens or someone lets it happen or makes it happen to play into an agenda. Either to make money or grab some power. 9/11 showed me how low people are in this regard.

There is no political solution. All we can do is distance ourselves from it and wish them well.

[FORD]

No, they absolutely shouldn't have killed the ambassador or anyone else there. They should have killed Bacile, Klein, and "Crack" Pipes. Maybe Thomocarrot and Sockfucker, just for the Hell of it.

This action was pretty much the equivalent of angry mobs on that other Sept 11 (and the days following) who committed random acts of violence on anybody who appeared "islamic" in the US, including Sikhs, who aren't Muslim at all, but were targeted because they wear turbans.

[jhale667]

My question is how did these people get into our embassy? Who let them in? There is a lot we don't know about this. To be honest, I have no respect for a religion that kills people over a cartoon or a low budget movie. Almost every major religion in the world gets made fun of and slandered. Most of them don't kill people because they didn't like what someone said about their beliefs. We try and smooth it over with all sorts of political correctness but at the end of the day, they are demanding special treatment or we will kill you. Honestly. How can you trust people like this?


Totally agree there's a segment of Islamic faithful that are BEYOND hyper-sensitive and should be shamed (and have their asses kicked) for their zealous intolerance and violent actions. ALL religions should be regularly critiqued - it comes with the territory and should be expected, not met with violence. I mean, some experts believe they found Jesus' family burial plot and there weren't riots in the streets.


Bottom line, you believe some crap that can't be supported with facts, you should expect some ridicule...and if your faith is so weak you can't handle it (or even debate it) you're screwed.

[ZahZoo]

There is no political solution. All we can do is distance ourselves from it and wish them well.

I agree and while we're at it... pull all funding and support for the whole middle east, including Israel.

Once we quit meddling over there we will quit distracting those bastards from their real business which is just killing each other. Let them have at it...

[MUSICMANN]

All religions are horrible. They do nothing but herd people into different ancient beliefs that do nothing but cause conflicts for the sake of who's more superior and righteous. Believing in a almighty that is the creator is one thing, but putting all your faith, even going so far as to get violent toward another person or people all in the name of a religious cult is just stupid.

[Nitro Express]

All religions are horrible. They do nothing but herd people into different ancient beliefs that do nothing but cause conflicts for the sake of who's more superior and righteous. Believing in a almighty that is the creator is one thing, but putting all your faith, even going so far as to get violent toward another person or people all in the name of a religious cult is just stupid.

Organized religion is nothing more than people herding technology. So was atheist communism. Religion is just a particular flavor of it. What I learned in the time I lived in Israel is take people as individuals. As soon as you start stereotyping people in the group their family comes out of, you are easy fodder to fall into someone's people herding game.

I actually hate groups and group think. One reason I like what this country was founded on is it allows the individual to pursue their own happiness. That's not saying you don't work with others or work as a team. Some things need a group to get them done but don't surrender your own mind and stop questioning things because it's not what the group wants. Organized religion has all the answers for you. Don't think, just follow. We should be thinking our asses off and not following anyone unless of course you need to node to organize around to achieve a particular goal. As the bumper sticker says, "Question Authority".

[envy_me]

All religions are horrible. They do nothing but herd people into different ancient beliefs that do nothing but cause conflicts for the sake of who's more superior and righteous. Believing in a almighty that is the creator is one thing, but putting all your faith, even going so far as to get violent toward another person or people all in the name of a religious cult is just stupid.

ALL religion isn't horrible. Buddhism and sikhism are good religions. And even hinduism.

[Nitro Express]

One of the best neighbors I ever had was a guy who grew up in Egypt and immigrated to the US. He always used to tell the kids in the neighborhood stop complaining you guys have no idea what you have here. He was a college professor and taught economics. He was a muslim. We were in Rotary Club together. When he gave the prayer at lunch he always closed in the name of Mohammed, Jesus, and Budda. It was different but people respected him and he didn't want to exclude anyone in that prayer.

I'm not a fan of Islam but I was taking this guy as an individual and the more I got to know him the more I trusted him because he demonstrated over and over he was a good person and cared about others. I could have just said ewww a muslim and avoided him and ignored him and missed out on a great friendship.

[Nitro Express]

Making friends involves some risk. My heck if you were scared of every negative possibility that could happen. You would never make any friends, date, or have any social life at all. It's sometimes the closest people to us that stab us in the back. Those who have gone through divorce know this more than anyone. LOL! It's life. Live and learn. It's not perfect and never will be.

I've traveled enough to know in most cases, you will be fine. I'm amazed at how many places I have been and most the time, I never have had any trouble. People who are so full of paranoia of people who are different never go anywhere in life. They have small minds scared of their shadow. Most people just want something to eat, a place to sleep, some entertainment, a good fuck, and some friends to share it with. Pretty simple stuff.

[FORD]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMI0vWBt44s

[Nickdfresh]

ALL religion isn't horrible. Buddhism and sikhism are good religions. And even hinduism.

Religions aren't necessarily horrible, human nature is. Hinduism promotes poverty, caste system inequality, and bizarre-new ageist superstitions even beyond the typical religions elsewhere...

[envy_me]

One of the best neighbors I ever had was a guy who grew up in Egypt and immigrated to the US. He always used to tell the kids in the neighborhood stop complaining you guys have no idea what you have here. He was a college professor and taught economics. He was a muslim. We were in Rotary Club together. When he gave the prayer at lunch he always closed in the name of Mohammed, Jesus, and Budda. It was different but people respected him and he didn't want to exclude anyone in that prayer.

I'm not a fan of Islam but I was taking this guy as an individual and the more I got to know him the more I trusted him because he demonstrated over and over he was a good person and cared about others. I could have just said ewww a muslim and avoided him and ignored him and missed out on a great friendship.

On individual plan there are great people everywhere.
Organized religion is shit, but there are good religious people who just need comfort and something to belive in. I know a woman who's son dies when he was 17. The belief in god is her way of coping, that there must be some bigger reason, that he is at a better place, that they will meet again and so on. Her faith has nothing to do with thieves in organized religion. And I'd never in a million years try to argue with her why god doesn't exist, what proof there are and so on. I am glad people who are desperate have something to cling on to.

[Nitro Express]

ALL religion isn't horrible. Buddhism and sikhism are good religions. And even hinduism.

It depends on the particular sect. Christianity at it's base values is wonderful but you have people that set up these groups that become everything Christ said you shouldn't be. In a nutshell just treat everyone like you would like to be treated. That's all you need to know. You don't need the organization or the clergy.

I really don't hate any religion if they don't cause trouble. You have to allow people the freedom to practice their beliefs or you don't have a free society. We have to be careful we don't fall into a which hunt trying to solve a problem and that's easy to do actually. Again defending freedom means defending the freedoms of the people you don't like. That's the real test of it.

[FORD]

Hinduism promotes poverty, caste system inequality, and bizarre-new ageist superstitions even beyond the typical religions elsewhere...


And they took our jobs!!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=768h3Tz4Qik

[fourthcoming]

Hinduism promotes poverty, caste system inequality..

Sounds like the Democrats and Republicans.

[envy_me]

It depends on the particular sect. Christianity at it's base values is wonderful but you have people that set up these groups that become everything Christ said you shouldn't be. In a nutshell just treat everyone like you would like to be treated. That's all you need to know. You don't need the organization or the clergy.

I really don't hate any religion if they don't cause trouble. You have to allow people the freedom to practice their beliefs or you don't have a free society. We have to be careful we don't fall into a which hunt trying to solve a problem and that's easy to do actually. Again defending freedom means defending the freedoms of the people you don't like. That's the real test of it.

I agree. You're 100% right.

[Nitro Express]

I agree and while we're at it... pull all funding and support for the whole middle east, including Israel.

Once we quit meddling over there we will quit distracting those bastards from their real business which is just killing each other. Let them have at it...

Israel was smart. When Eisenhower told them to get the hell out of the sinai during the suez crises, Israel knew they had to set up a lobby organization in the US so powerful a US president couldn't become elected without it. So they set up AIPAC. Our political process has been infiltrated by more off shore money and influence than people know.

[Hardrock69]

Once again I marvel at the little children who throw temper tantrums because that idiot Mohammed got insulted.

Christians at least have the maturity and intellect to NOT go apeshit when someone says Jebus was just a human being.

These Third-world Muslims are a) undeducated (for the most part) and b) completely immature.

"OOOOO.....someone insulted Mohammed...let's go kill some people! Even some people who are fellow Muslims!"

"OOOOO.....someone drew a picture of Mohammed....lets riot and destroy the city"


All the above means is they use Islam as a convenient crutch to get all worked up over nothing.

So some crazy man in the desert in the 6th-century decides to write about what HE thinks is "God".

All the undeducated Bedouin for some reason think he is somehow "holy".

Right. He was just a man. Nothing more.

I could write a series of books on what I think God is, and how people should live their fucking lives, and it would be just as valid (if not moreso) than anything Mohammed ever wrote while sitting in a tent scratching his ballsack.

It would be just as relevant as anything written by any stupid Christian fuckhead in the 1st or 2nd century, if not moreso.


GOD DOES NOT GIVE A FUCK IF YOU DRAW A PICTURE OF ANOTHER HUMAN.

MOHAMMED DOES NOT GIVE A FUCK IF SOMEONE DRAWS A PICTURE OF HIM BECAUSE HE IS A PILE OF DUSTY BONES SOMEWHERE IN THE MIDDLE EAST, JUST LIKE THAT CHRIST IDIOT.

This is all a load of shit, perpetrated by a bunch of idiots. 1400 years of stupidity, in the case if Islam. 1700 years of idiocy in the case of Christianity. 3000 years of idiocy in the case of Judaism.

The statement that applies here is: "If there were no God it would be necessary for humans to create him".

At the very least, Christians, Jews and Muslims all worship the same God. It is quite obvious that the Jews and Christians at least are smart enough not to waste their energy rioting or murdering themselves or other people because someone thinks a dead pile of bones named Mohammed got insulted.

Fuck these stupid motherfuckers!

[Hardrock69]

Personally I think the film should be broadcast permanently 24/7.

I think people should make films, posters, art work, etc. depicting Mohammed fucking goats in the ass, being ass-raped by big well-hung Arab men, licking dog's assholes, or all of the above.

[FORD]

Once again I marvel at the little children who throw temper tantrums because that idiot Mohammed got insulted.

Christians at least have the maturity and intellect to NOT go apeshit when someone says Jebus was just a human being.



I think John Lennon might have argued that with you. The main reason the Beatles stopped touring after 1966 was because they got too many death threats from the "Christians" down south who were offended at his accurate statement that the Beatles were "more popular than Jesus" at that moment.

The slightly less crazy ones just burned their records instead......


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wc7rBVUIHUg

[Va Beach VH Fan]

If you give it a little thought, you realize that religion has never really had a problem with murder. Not really. More people have been killed in the name of God than for any other reason. - The Great George Carlin

[Angel]

ALL religion isn't horrible. Buddhism and sikhism are good religions. And even hinduism.
Are you really this fucking dense, or is it an act? Sikhism is rampant with violence. The recent shooting at a temple in Wisconsin is a prime example. Police in Vancouver have been dealing with violence at Sikh temples for decades, including the Air India bombing in the '90's which killed hundreds of innocent people.

[Hardrock69]

Anyone got a link to this supposed "Mohammed Movie"?

[Hardrock69]

Ford, you are right about that, but the Christians did not riot and then kill the ambassador from the UK.

For them to be offended was incredibly mild compared to the infantile Muslims these days.

I think there most definitely SHOULD be a "Draw A Cartoon Of Mohammed Day" as a GLOBAL holiday.

[Seshmeister]

ALL religion isn't horrible. Buddhism and sikhism are good religions. And even hinduism.

You're only saying that because you don't know about the evil done by them too.

http://terrorism.about.com/od/politicalislamterrorism/tp/Religious-terrorism.htm

[Hardrock69]

I would say relatively speaking, it is the ATHEISTS that are the least violent sect on this planet.

[Angel]

I would say relatively speaking, it is the ATHEISTS that are the least violent sect on this planet.

Have to agree with you on that one. Of course, there are the idiots amongst us, like any group; but, we tend to be less judgmental and more tolerant.

I respect people's spiritual beliefs, and don't dis them for whatever helps them get through life. Some, I pity....

I've met many Muslim people, including a young woman that just recently escaped the Taliban. They don't like the extremists, or the backwards way of thinking. But they don't get in the news, so many don't even realize they exist. Consider what the scenario would be if it was only extremist Christians that were seen in mass media...

[jhale667]

Yeah, just had to rip a dude for making a stupid comment generalizing muslims...asked him if he knew any personally and of course he didn't... there are idiots of all faiths.

[Hardrock69]

Agreed.

A vast majority of Muslims are just average people who want to worship as they see fit, and get on with their lives.

Same as most Christians. Most Jews. Most Sikhs.

But this begs the Golden Question:

If Muslims hate extremists so much, why do they not issue fatwahs against them?

Why was a fatwah never issued against Osama bin Laden? He would have been taken out pretty fucking quickly if that had happened.

[Hardrock69]

Seems youtube has blocked the video, called "Innocence of Muslims" in Libya and Egypt:

http://news.yahoo.com/youtube-blocks-video-inciting-violence-mid-east-192435821--finance.html


NEW YORK (AP) — YouTube has blocked a video attacking Islam's prophet Muhammad in Egypt and Libya, where angry protests were sparked by outrage at the video.

Ultraconservative Muslims enflamed by the video stormed the U.S. embassy in Cairo on Tuesday and replaced an American flag with an Islamic banner. Later Tuesday evening, protesters in Libya burned down the U.S. consulate in the Libyan city of Benghazi, killing the U.S. ambassador to Libya and three members of his staff.

The 14-minute video is a trailer to an amateurish, low-budget movie titled "Innocence of Muslims," which depicts Muhammad as a feckless philanderer who approved of child sexual abuse. Muslims find it offensive to depict Muhammad in any manner, let alone insult the prophet.

YouTube has elected to leave the video on its website, saying it doesn't violate its policies, but has blocked access to it in Egypt and Libya. The Google-Inc. video site took the unusual step Wednesday of publicly commenting on the video, a practice it typically eschews.

"We work hard to create a community everyone can enjoy and which also enables people to express different opinions," YouTube said in a statement. "This can be a challenge because what's OK in one country can be offensive elsewhere. This video — which is widely available on the web — is clearly within our guidelines and so will stay on YouTube. However, given the very difficult situation in Libya and Egypt we have temporarily restricted access in both countries. Our hearts are with the families of the people murdered in yesterday's attack in Libya."

The video was uploaded on July 2 by a YouTube user going by the name Sam Bacile. After sitting dormant and largely unwatched for two months, it was dubbed into Arabic and excerpts gained airplay on TV networks in Egypt, enraging ultraconservative viewers.

President Barack Obama on Wednesday condemned the attack in Benghazi and ordered increased security to protect American diplomatic personnel around the world. He pledged to "bring justice to the killers who attacked our people."

"We reject all efforts to denigrate the religious beliefs of others," said Obama. "But there is absolutely no justification for this type of senseless violence, none."

[jhale667]

Agreed.

A vast majority of Muslims are just average people who want to worship as they see fit, and get on with their lives.

Same as most Christians. Most Jews. Most Sikhs.

But this begs the Golden Question:

If Muslims hate extremists so much, why do they not issue fatwahs against them?

Why was a fatwah never issued against Osama bin Laden? He would have been taken out pretty fucking quickly if that had happened.



Probably the same reason most abortion-clinic bombers don't get ratted out by their fellow Christians...or the WBC hasn't met an untimely end under questionable circumstances...

[envy_me]

You're only saying that because you don't know about the evil done by them too.

http://terrorism.about.com/od/politicalislamterrorism/tp/Religious-terrorism.htm

That's a drop in the sea. Sure incidents occur everywhere, but their fundamental base is very anti-violent if you compare to the bible and koran.

[DONNIEP]

One can almost envision a huge group of Southern Baptists storming the Libyan and Egyptian embassies in the US wearing KKK table-clothes and replacing their flag with the Confederate flag...

So that's what we're doing tonight after prayer service...

[FORD]

I would say relatively speaking, it is the ATHEISTS that are the least violent sect on this planet.

With some notable exceptions like Joe Stalin and Chairman Mao, of course.

[Seshmeister]

Seems youtube has blocked the video, called "Innocence of Muslims" in Libya and Egypt:

http://news.yahoo.com/youtube-blocks-video-inciting-violence-mid-east-192435821--finance.html

So the murder was a complete success.

[envy_me]

So the murder was a complete success.

I was also thinking that. Now they know how to get their way next time. It's like with children.

[Dr. Love]

I knew one of the guys that was killed ... what a tragedy. I feel terrible for his family.

[Va Beach VH Fan]

They're saying two of the four were Marines...

[VanHalenFan5150]

This will probably turn some heads and i'm probably putting my foot in my mouth, but ol' Junior's got some opinions too... I heard about this on the news this morning and we had a discussion about it in my Am. Govt class today. I truly feel sorry for the family of the ambassador and the people affected by his death. It's really sad, what's happening to Syria. It's imploding upon itself and so many innocent lives are unnecessarily being taken every week. I wish we could somehow help them, but we can't be the police force of the world all the time; people are gonna call us the bad guys if we go in all gung ho, it'll likely just turn into another Black Hawk Down scenario. Catch 22 all across the board in my opinion. If Syria keeps up this brand of self-inflicted destruction, there may well be no Syria or anybody living there in 5-7 years. In all honesty the middle east is a recurring cycle of violence, jealousy, greed, and power struggles, most of which relating to religion and resources that all get too far out of hand. The inhabitants of these countries have been fighting for thousands of years and, probably will be fighting with eachother for the next thousand years. First it was Gadhaffi, then Egypt turned into a mosh pit, and now for a while Syria's been fucking itself in the ass. Are these people really so stupid that they don't see they're going to literally extinguish themselves? I think they should just kill themselves off, and maybe the rest of the middle east (or even the world, go figure!) could learn from their mistakes. And the fact that he was killed on 9/11 is one hell of a coincidence, I heard and read that some groups are claiming that it wasn't just an accident, it was planned out that he would die yesterday... bunch of sick fucks, although the realm of cultural relativism doesn't acknowledge them as different!

[Dr. Love]

This will probably turn some heads and i'm probably putting my foot in my mouth, but ol' Junior's got some opinions too... I heard about this on the news this morning and we had a discussion about it in my Am. Govt class today. I truly feel sorry for the family of the ambassador and the people affected by his death. It's really sad, what's happening to Syria. It's imploding upon itself and so many innocent lives are unnecessarily being taken every week. I wish we could somehow help them, but we can't be the police force of the world all the time; people are gonna call us the bad guys if we go in all gung ho, it'll likely just turn into another Black Hawk Down scenario. Catch 22 all across the board in my opinion. If Syria keeps up this brand of self-inflicted destruction, there may well be no Syria or anybody living there in 5-7 years. In all honesty the middle east is a recurring cycle of violence, jealousy, greed, and power struggles, most of which relating to religion and resources that all get too far out of hand. The inhabitants of these countries have been fighting for thousands of years and, probably will be fighting with eachother for the next thousand years. First it was Gadhaffi, then Egypt turned into a mosh pit, and now for a while Syria's been fucking itself in the ass. Are these people really so stupid that they don't see they're going to literally extinguish themselves? I think they should just kill themselves off, and maybe the rest of the middle east (or even the world, go figure!) could learn from their mistakes. And the fact that he was killed on 9/11 is one hell of a coincidence, I heard and read that some groups are claiming that it wasn't just an accident, it was planned out that he would die yesterday... bunch of sick fucks, although the realm of cultural relativism doesn't acknowledge them as different!

http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/173/576/Wat8.jpg?1315930535

[jhale667]

I knew one of the guys that was killed ... what a tragedy. I feel terrible for his family.

Wow, small world indeed. Sorry dude. :(

[FORD]

This whole fucked up situation is about to get uglier (as if 4 murders wasn't ugly enough).........

Muhammad-Film Consultant: 'Sam Bacile' Is Not Israeli, and Not a Real Name
By Jeffrey Goldberg

Revelations about the alleged producer of the now-infamous trailer for "The Innocence of Muslims."

As part of my search for more information about Sam Bacile, the alleged producer of the now-infamous anti-Muhammad film trailer "The Innocence of Muslims," I just called a man named Steve Klein -- a self-described militant Christian activist in Riverside, California (whose actual business, he said, is in selling "hard-to-place home insurance"), who has been described in multiple media accounts as a consultant to the film.

Klein told me that Bacile, the producer of the film, is not Israeli, and most likely not Jewish, as has been reported, and that the name is, in fact, a pseudonym. He said he did not know "Bacile"'s real name. He said Bacile contacted him because he leads anti-Islam protests outside of mosques and schools, and because, he said, he is a Vietnam veteran and an expert on uncovering al Qaeda cells in California. "After 9/11 I went out to look for terror cells in California and found them, piece of cake. Sam found out about me. The Middle East Christian and Jewish communities trust me."

He said the man who identified himself as Bacile asked him to help make the anti-Muhammad film. When I asked him to describe Bacile, he said: "I don't know that much about him. I met him, I spoke to him for an hour. He's not Israeli, no. I can tell you this for sure, the State of Israel is not involved, Terry Jones (the radical Christian Quran-burning pastor) is not involved. His name is a pseudonym. All these Middle Eastern folks I work with have pseudonyms. I doubt he's Jewish. I would suspect this is a disinformation campaign."

I asked him who he thought Sam Bacile was. He said that there are about 15 people associated with the making of the film, "Nobody is anything but an active American citizen. They're from Syria, Turkey, Pakistan, they're some that are from Egypt. Some are Copts but the vast majority are Evangelical."

What are we to make of Steve Klein's assertions? I'm taking everything about this strange and horrible episod with a grain of salt, though I will say that I haven't seen any proof yet that Sam Bacile is an actual Israeli Jew, or that the name is anything other than a pseudonym. More to come, undoubtedly.

Link (http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2012/09/muhammad-film-consultant-sam-bacile-is-not-israeli-and-not-a-real-name/262290/)

[FORD]

So at the very least, we have right wing fundagelical fuckiheads using fake names to make propaganda films.

And I'm betting it goes WAY beyond that. If anybody even makes an attempt to link this to Iran in anyway, you can bet your ass that NuttyYahoo and/or Mossad is involved. And that was made obvious by the way Mittens couldn't wait to make a fucking ass out of himself, blaming Obama for it. There's no doubt whatsoever who the Likud Zionfascists are backing in this election, as evidenced by the unlimited millions shoveled by their buddy Sheldon Adelson (who also launders money for the Chinese mob)

[FORD]

‘It Makes Me Sick’: Actress in Muhammed Movie Says She Was Deceived, Had No Idea It Was About Islam
Adrian Chen

The story of the Muhammed movie which sparked deadly protests in Libya and Egypt gets weirder. The actors who appeared in it had no idea they were starring in anti-Islam propaganda which depicts Muhammed as a child molester and thug. They were deceived by the film's director, believing they were appearing in a film about the life of a generic Egyptian 2,000 years ago.

Cindy Lee Garcia, an actress from Bakersfield, Calif., has a small role in the Muhammed movie as a woman whose young daughter is given to Muhammed to marry. But in a phone interview this afternoon, Garcia told us she had no idea she was participating in an offensive spoof on the life of Muhammed when she answered a casting call through an agency last summer and got the part.

The script she was given was titled simply Desert Warriors.

"It was going to be a film based on how things were 2,000 years ago," Garcia said. "It wasn't based on anything to do with religion, it was just on how things were run in Egypt. There wasn't anything about Muhammed or Muslims or anything."

In the script and during the shooting, nothing indicated the controversial nature of the final product, now called Muslim Innocence. Muhammed wasn't even called Muhammed; he was "Master George," Garcia said. The words Muhammed were dubbed over in post-production, as were essentially all other offensive references to Islam and Muhammed.

For example, at 9:03 in the trailer, Garcia berates her husband, who wants to send their daughter to Muhammed: "Is your Muhammed a child molester?" she says in the final product. But the words are dubbed over what she actually said. The line in the script—and the line Garcia gave during filming—was, "is your God a child molester," Garcia told us today.

Garcia was horrified when she saw the end product, and when protesters in Libya killed four U.S. Embassy employee.

"I had nothing to do really with anything. Now we have people dead because of a movie I was in. It makes me sick."

According to Garica, her three days on set last July were unremarkable. The film's mysterious pseudonymous writer and director, "Sam Bacile," has claimed to be an Israeli real estate mogul. But Garcia said Bacile told her he was Egyptian on set. Bacile had white hair and spoke Arabic to a number of "dark-skinned" men who hung around the set, she said. (A Bacile associate also told The Atlantic he wasn't Israeli or Jewish.)

"He was just really mellow. He was just sitting there and he wanted certain points to be made."

Once, Garcia said, Bacile wanted a girl that "Master George" (aka Muhammed) was to sleep with to look seven years old, instead of 10, to heighten the outrage. But his Assistant Directors protested, saying that was too young.

After the protests erupted and Bacile appeared in the media, Garcia called him up today to express her outrage at his deception.

"I called Sam and said, 'Why did you do this?' and he said, 'I'm tired of radical Islamists killing each other. Let other actors know it's not their fault.'"

Garcia isn't satisfied simply knowing it wasn't her fault.

"I'm going to sue his butt off."

Update: The entire 80-member cast and crew of the film have released a statement saying they were misled. Via CNN:


The entire cast and crew are extremely upset and feel taken advantage of by the producer. We are 100% not behind this film and were grossly misled about its intent and purpose. We are shocked by the drastic re-writes of the script and lies that were told to all involved. We are deeply saddened by the tragedies that have occurred.

Update II: Here's what appears to be the original casting call, posted in July 2011on craigslist:


NOW CASTING SAG and NON SAG ACTORS for "DESERT WARRIOR." Director Alan Roberts.
Historical desert drama set in Middle East. Indie Feature film shoots 18 days in L.A. in August. Studio and backlot locations.

Male Roles: DR. MATTHEW (Lead): Middle Eastern Pharmacist, 40-50, intelligent, family man; GEORGE (Lead); 40-50, Middle Eastern warrior leader, romantic, charismatic; YOUNG GEORGE (featured) 18-22; PRIEST (featured): 60-70, bearded; ABDO (featured), 60-70, Elder tribe leader; ISRAELI MEN 30-50 (featured); WARRIORS (featured) 18-50, Various Middle Eastern types, bearded.

Female Roles: CONDALISA (featured) 40, attractive, successful, strong willed; HILLARY (featured) 18 but must look younger, petite; innocent; YOUSTINA (featured) 16-18, Daughter of doctor; MIDDLE EASTERN WOMEN (Various Featured Roles) 18-40, attractive, exotic; OLDER WOMAN (featured) 60-70, feisty.

Please place Role desired in SUBJECT: line of email.

Indicate SAG or NON-SAG

Require phone contact for immediate interview in Beverly/LaCienega area.

Link (http://gawker.com/5942748/it-makes-me-sick-actress-in-muhammed-movie-says-she-was-deceived-had-no-idea-it-was-about-islam)

[FORD]

For the record, as I said, I watched that 14 minute trailer on YouTube, and even in the trailer, there were parts where the dialogue was OBVIOUSLY overdubbed, so I have no reason to doubt the word of this actress above.

Somebody went out of their way to stir up shit, and goddamn it, they better be found and charged with murder. :mad:

[Seshmeister]

I'm sorry but that is all irrelevant.

So the guy is probably an asshole that's not the point.

It's very very easy to support freedom of speech when it's someone you agree with.

When people are murdered in the name of ridiculous dogma you don't start by reinforcing their evil bullshit by attacking the guy that offended them. You can't give offence you can only take it.

If I say on here the Koran is ridiculous and as full of holes and mistakes as the bible and then a twat goes and kills someone else because he has been offended is that my fault? Should I be punished?

[FORD]

All I can say Sesh is .... stay tuned...

The neocon shitbags will either try to turn this into Obama's version of the Jimmy Carter failed helicopter rescue, or they'll drop the pretense entirely, manufacture a false tie to Iran and demand that NuttyYahoo get his fucking war, which WILL become World War III without even bothering to wait for the election to be stolen.

This shit has black ops written all over it And no, I didn't hear that from fucking Alex Jones.

[FORD]

But enough about these genocidal nazi fucks.... let's talk about the guy they murdered.....


J. Christopher Stevens, U.S. ambassador to Libya, dies at 52
By Anne Gearan, Wednesday, September 12, 5:08 AM

J. Christopher Stevens, the American ambassador killed Tuesday in an attack in Benghazi, Libya, hitched a ride into that country last year by sea — the only way in with a civil war in progress.

“There weren’t any flights, so we came in by a Greek cargo ship,” Mr. Stevens told reporters not long afterward, recalling his arrival in Benghazi as the top U.S. envoy to Libya’s rebel movement.

When he and his American colleagues reached the rebel-held city, they were greeted by a group of Libyans carrying U.S., British, French and Qatari flags in the courthouse square. Mr. Stevens said he and the other Americans found that they had no place to sleep, so they bunked that first night back on the ship.

The improbable journey was fitting for Mr. Stevens, a former Peace Corps volunteer who was fluent in Arabic and who had traveled throughout the Middle East. An easygoing but determined career diplomat, he had made the region the focus of his two-decade career.

Describing the episode during a visit to Washington, he played down the dangers inherent in opening a U.S. diplomatic mission in Benghazi. Instead, he focused on explaining his mission there: to support a democratic transition in Libya, which had been ruled by Moammar Gaddafi for four decades.

“It’s especially tragic that Chris Stevens died in Benghazi because it is a city that he helped to save,” President Obama, standing alongside Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton, said in a brief tribute Wednesday at the White House. “He worked tirelessly to support this young democracy.”

The attack on the U.S. Consulate building also killed diplomat Sean Smith, 34, an Air Force veteran who had served in various U.S. missions over the past decade, as well as two other diplomats whose identities have not been released, pending notification of their families. Mr. Stevens, 52, was the first sitting U.S. ambassador to be killed in a violent attack since 1979.

Officials said the ambassador, who was stationed at the embassy in Tripoli, was visiting the consulate at the time of the attack. The apparent cause of his death was smoke inhalation, according to several U.S. officials briefed on the attack, although the State Department has not confirmed that.

‘Courage and talent’

Funny and charming, with a broad smile and wide curiosity, Mr. Stevens made friends easily and kept them, colleagues said. He was well-known for haggling at the shops of the Old City in Jerusalem and lingering over coffee in the walled Old City in Tripoli.

“We were on opposite sides in a way,” said Ghaith al-Omari, a former top adviser to the Palestinian Authority who first dealt with Mr. Stevens during peace negotiations.

“During a meeting, he was very proper and professional. Having a coffee after the meeting, he was very friendly” and asked a lot of questions, Omari said. “You ended up with a diplomat who had texture.”

Deputy Secretary of State William J. Burns said Wednesday that he had followed Mr. Stevens’s career and believed him to be one of “the very finest officers of his generation in the Foreign Service.”

“I last saw Chris on a visit to Libya about six weeks ago, shortly after his arrival as ambassador, and I remember thinking on the plane ride home that his was the kind of courage and talent and leadership that would inspire another generation of American diplomats,” Burns said. “We will miss him deeply but long remember his example.”

Mr. Stevens had served in Israel, Egypt, Syria and Saudi Arabia, but Libya became the center of his career. He served there three times, beginning in the years before Gaddafi fell, when the mercurial leader was trying to repair decades of poor relations with Washington. Mr. Stevens was the No. 2 U.S. diplomat in Libya from 2007 to 2009.

When the Arab Spring revolts spread to Libya, Mr. Stevens became the Obama administration’s envoy to the opposition there, meeting with representatives overseas and eventually setting up the American diplomatic outpost in Benghazi. He returned to what he proudly called a “democratic Libya” as ambassador this spring.

A former State Department colleague, Wayne White, said Mr. Stevens used his disarming charm to persuade others. He recalled that Mr. Stevens would arrive in his office with a “big smile” and then give him some work.

The work might not have always been welcome, “but it was better if it came from Chris. He was just such a genuinely intelligent, high-minded guy,” White said.

As a diplomat, Mr. Stevens had a direct style that is unusual among his peers. Preparing then-Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice fora meeting with Gaddafi in 2008, he alluded to Gaddafi’s crush on Rice.

“A self-styled intellectual and philosopher, he has been eagerly anticipating for several years the opportunity to share with you his views on global affairs,” Mr. Stevens wrote in a diplomatic cable published by WikiLeaks.

Rice later recalled Gaddafi’s interest in her as “creepy.”

‘He wasn’t afraid’

Mr. Stevens, who grew up near Oakland, Calif., went to the University of California at Berkeley. He never married and had no children. His brother Tom Stevens, an assistant U.S. attorney in San Francisco, said the family had worried at times about Mr. Stevens’s safety.

“He was good-natured about it. He wasn’t afraid in places other people might think were scary,” Tom Stevens said.

Speaking with a Washington Post reporter in June, Mr. Stevens acknowledged a rise in violence in Libya, especially among small Islamist groups.

“It’s a function of there being a lot of freedom and desire to express views and agendas,” he said. “When people cross the line, it’s also a function of a lack of strong state and police to enforce the law.”

Austin Tichenor, a friend from high school who became a college roommate and lifelong friend, said Mr. Stevens was passionate about a career that was worlds away from his own.

“He understood so much about the Middle East,” said Tichenor, an actor and writer. “The only small solace is that he died the same way he lived,” in the thick of things.

Mr. Stevens had worked as an international trade lawyer and a Peace Corps volunteer in Morocco before joining the State Department.

Arash Babaoff, a friend of Mr. Stevens since the 1990s, described him as an intensely committed diplomat. “It was his life,” Babaoff said. “He was just someone who really had his heart in this, and he really felt like he was making relationships and headway.”

Babaoff called the killing “a blow to idealism.”

Tara Bahrampour and Julie Tate contributed to this report.

© The Washington Post Company

[Carloscda]

That was Mittens 3am phone call and he just let it ring.....

[bueno bob]

I would say relatively speaking, it is the ATHEISTS that are the least violent sect on this planet.

Truth. We just smoke weed and talk about outer space and science and shit.

[jhale667]

http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h217/jhale667/301234_347075775381891_967810087_n.jpg

[FORD]

Of course.... fucking ghoulish bastard probably went to an LDS baptism ceremony for the dead diplomats right after that fucked up press conference.

[FORD]

So where did this genocidal nazi fuck "Steve Klein" come from......

Intelligence Report, Spring 2012, Issue Number: 145
Church at Kaweah Spreads Hateful, Militant Christian Views
By Leah Nelson

In a 22-acre compound at the southern edge of Sequoia National Park in California, a secretive cohort of militant Christian fundamentalists is preparing for war. One of the men helping train the flock in the art of combat, a former Marine named Steve Klein, believes that California is riddled with Muslim Brotherhood sleeper cells “who are awaiting the trigger date and will begin randomly killing as many of us as they can.”

“I know I’m getting prepared to shoot back,” Klein says.

At the head of the Church at Kaweah is Pastor Warren Mark Campbell, who sees yet another enemy on the horizon: the “New World Order,” that chimera of the conspiracists who populate the resurgent, antigovernment “Patriot” movement.

The tiny church has been well outside the mainstream since the early 1990s, when founding pastor Warren Lee Campbell (father of the current pastor) bought into the notion that churches should shun all government regulation and answer solely to God. Since then, the church has become increasingly radical, ramping up its paramilitary activities and forging alliances with an array of figures revered on the radical right — among them, militia and Patriot leaders, white supremacists, neo-Confederates, border vigilantes and Christian Reconstructionists, whose goal is to turn America into a theocracy based on the Old Testament. In the meantime, the church’s militia has gone from patrolling the banks of the Kaweah River to conducting joint exercises with Minuteman groups along the Mexican border.

The church’s ideology, which it defines as a “militant Christian separatist worldview,” seems to blend several far-right ideas and prejudices — borrowing heavily from the “unregistered churches” and Patriot movements, both of which reject government authority.

It’s a combustible mix of guns, extreme antigovernment politics and religious extremism that brings to mind another Christian militia that made news recently — the Hutaree. In 2010, nine members of that Michigan-based group were charged with conspiring to murder numerous police officers in hopes of sparking a revolution against the government.

“What is remarkable here is the openness with which they speak of religious war to advance God’s laws and God’s government,” said Frederick Clarkson, an independent journalist and expert on the religious right. “Less surprising is that the war is to be waged against the government and the usual stew of far-right enemies — although, clearly, Muslims seem to have replaced Communists as the most fearsome, frontline Satanic soldiers said to be creeping over the border and into society.”


Severing Secular Ties

Nestled in the Sierra Nevada foothills near the convergence of the North, Middle and South Forks of the Kaweah River, the village of Three Rivers (pop. 2,182), some 70 miles southeast of Fresno, has seen more than its share of unusual social experiments. From 1886 to 1892, it was the site of the socialist Kaweah Colony. Later, it was home to a Hare Krishna ashram and boarding school.

Equally distinctive is the Church at Kaweah — founded in 1965 by its first pastor, Warren Lee Campbell, and his wife, Margaret.

In the mid-1990s, coinciding with the height of the Patriot movement of that decade, Campbell decided to sever ties with secular authorities — namely any form of government. He believed the tax-exempt 501(c)(3) nonprofit status that the U.S. tax code automatically grants churches is “foreign to the law of God” and exists solely “to compromise the church.”

Most churches prize nonprofit status, because it exempts them from corporate income taxes and allows donors to deduct gifts from their own income taxes. But, like all other tax-exempt organizations, they are not allowed to engage in electoral politics and their right to lobby the government is limited. They also must withhold federal taxes, as well as Social Security and Medicare payments, from their employees’ paychecks — and they still must abide by the laws that govern the rest of society.

On Aug. 15, 1997, apparently following the guidance of the Ecclesiastical Law Center (ELC), which says that “[t]heocracy, not democracy, was God’s plan,” Campbell’s lawyer went to the Tulare County Recorder’s office and transferred the deed to the church’s earthly property to “the Lord Jesus Christ, True and Beneficial Owner and beneficiary.” What had been the Kaweah Community Church became the Church at Kaweah.


Church leaders refer to themselves as "Christian Patriots," a phrase commonly used by members of the antigovernment "Patriot" movement.
The ELC — which is not a law firm — says that a church deeded to Jesus is “tax-immune” and inoculated against any interference by secular authorities. “Men cannot tax the property, because a Sovereign God owns it and men cannot assert sovereignty over God,” explains an ELC book titled Approved by God: A Case for Modern Disestablishment, which can be purchased through the church’s online bookstore. And, the ELC says, property deeded to Jesus is “totally outside the jurisdiction of the state. They have no authority to inspect it, or enter it, or lay requirements on it. There are no fire inspections, building inspections, use permits, asbestos inspections.”

The church apparently went all in. In 1998, it began interring deceased members on its own grounds. Ultimately, several bodies were exhumed from the Three Rivers Public Cemetery and moved to the new “Ecclesiastical Mortuary.” Today, home births are encouraged, children are homeschooled, and members are urged to support themselves though cottage industries. Couples do not get marriage licenses, preferring “covenant marriages” sanctioned by the pastor alone.

The idea that churches can declare themselves free of any government oversight is an analog to the individual separatism asserted by adherents of the radical “sovereign citizens” movement — a movement to which the founding pastor of the Church at Kaweah was closely tied. Warren Lee Campbell outlined his own theory of “disestablishment” in the foreword to a 1998 manifesto produced by members of Right Way L.A.W., a defunct ring of extreme-right con artists who pitched a financial fraud known as “redemption.” Taught and practiced by disciples of the sovereign citizens movement, the redemption scam is based on the false claim that enlightened individuals can collect hundred of thousands of dollars from secret trust funds being held in their names by the federal government.

Campbell’s connection to Right Way L.A.W. is just one of myriad ties the deceased pastor established with extremists. Under his leadership in 1995, the church began hosting an annual Old Paths Christian History Conference, which quickly became a destination for radical-right luminaries. Guest speakers have included John Trochmann, a godfather of the Patriot movement whose Militia of Montana was the first major militia to come to public attention; Eric Hovind, a “creation science evangelist” whose father, Kent, was a famous tax protester who ran a Florida creationist theme park called Dinosaur Adventure Land until he was jailed on 58 counts of tax fraud in 2007; Joe Banister, a former IRS agent who claims that most citizens are not required to pay income taxes or have taxes withheld; Gary DeMar, a prominent Christian Reconstructionist who heads the anti-gay group American Vision; and Chuck Baldwin, a gun-loving pastor and politician who condemns Islam as a “bloody, murderous religion,” refers to Martin Luther King Jr. as an apostate, and believes “the South was right” in the Civil War.

Though he is not known to have attended the Old Paths conference, Patriot icon James Wesley, Rawles (like other sovereign citizens, he uses the comma as part of his name) credits the deceased pastor as an inspiration. Wesley, Rawles is a survivalist author who proposed the establishment of a fortified home for “Christian Patriots” in the Northwest. In recent years, a significant number of antigovernment extremists have begun to move to Montana’s Flathead Valley. In January 2011, at the invitation of Covenant Community Church in Whitehall, Mont. (whose leadership is affiliated with Baldwin’s “Black Regiment” of “patriot-preachers”), Pastor Warren Mark Campbell addressed an audience of 200 — including 30 state officials — at the Montana State Capitol. Politics, he told them, is a “holy calling, not a secular calling. You have an obligation to rule and serve in the name of Jesus Christ.”

‘To Teach Them War’

Another frequent guest of the Church at Kaweah is Pastor John Weaver, former “chaplain-in-chief” for the Southern heritage group Sons of Confederate Veterans who has been a member of the white supremacist Council of Conservative Citizens. Last July, Weaver conducted weapons training at a conference sponsored by the neo-Confederate League of the South, a meeting that focused heavily on preparing for battle — presumably against the government. “Divine providence always arranges the time for fighting,” Weaver told the attendees. “You must remember, God is the god of war.”

Warren Mark Campbell, who took over the Church at Kaweah’s pulpit after his father died in 2008, seems to agree. Preaching on the virtues of “militant discipleship” in a 2009 DVD titled “To Teach Them War,” the balding and decidedly uncharismatic pastor exhorts his audience to be “animated with a fire” in “the battle against the New World Order and against what’s going on in this land.”

The DVD depicts men, women and clergy training with rifles and handguns. Among them is Weaver. In one scene, Campbell flings himself to the ground to shoot.

At the end, Campbell speaks directly to the camera: “We’ve produced this DVD to encourage Christians to acquire military skills and be militant in the kingdom of God. It’s our desire that fathers will learn these skills and pass them on to their children, and that Christians everywhere in this great land will train together martially.”

Backing up Campbell’s call to action is David “Dutch” Johnson, who leads the church’s militia. Johnson, who goes by the name “Dutch Joens,” is a longtime veteran of the militia movement who claims seven years of service in the Army and National Guard.

Ten years ago, the church’s militia prowled the banks of the Kaweah River as the North Fork River Patrol, mainly looking out for gangs. Under Johnson’s leadership, it has since trained with other “constitutional militias” along the Arizona-Mexico border and invited likeminded paramilitary groups to conduct joint trainings.

Johnson, who says he looks forward to the battle that will begin when “Dictator Obongo” institutes martial law, also hosts a daily radio talk show out of the church. A cheerful bigot, he cuts the harshness of his message with moments of whimsy. The introduction to his show is replete with quotes from the animated TV series “The Simpsons,” and he compares the structure of his combat and survival workshops to Dungeons and Dragons, the classic role-playing game beloved by high school nerds. His wife and children, who gave him a machete for Father’s Day last year, can often be heard in the background as he broadcasts.

But his playful style does little to mask a message of hate. In a June 2011 broadcast, for example, he called Mexicans savages “who can’t run their own government” and recommended sending guns to drug cartels in hopes they could “decrease the excess population in Mexico so they don’t come north.”

Johnson told the Intelligence Report in an E-mail that he is “against any racially exclusive groups” and “hate[s] Nazi groups and Socialists equally.” But, in a “Bible study” on his website several years ago, he wrote, “We must at all times be ready to defend the FAITH and our RACE from ALL enemies.”

He’s also an ardent defender of anti-immigrant vigilante leader Shawna Forde, who was sentenced to death in 2011 for the murder of a 9-year-old Mexican-American girl and her father during a 2009 home invasion in Arizona.

And Johnson expresses virulently antigovernment views. On a message board, he issued a vigorous defense of Jerry and Joseph Kane, the father-son team of sovereign citizens who in May 2010 shot and killed two West Memphis, Ark., police officers during a traffic stop. (The Kanes were killed less than an hour later during a shootout in a Walmart parking lot that left two additional officers wounded.)

“Now remember that this father and son have been harassed for years and were being targeted for persecution because they were preaching a way to get out from under your debt using the rules of the enemy,” Johnson wrote. “Rather then be taken to a cell and beaten or handed over to the scum in jail they fought back. I do not blame them. The time has come to resist TYRANNY. How will you answer when they come for you?”

The Muslim Menace

Despite all the talk about Mexicans and government tyranny, the Church at Kaweah appears to be preparing for a showdown with a different enemy: Muslims.

The church’s obsession with Muslims appears to have begun in 2010, when it invited white Zimbabwean evangelist Peter Hammond to speak at its Old Paths conference. A staunch defender of Zimbabwe’s last white leader, the racial supremacist Ian Smith, Hammond heads a South Africa-based “ministry” called Frontline Fellowship that is anti-Islam, anti-gay, anti-abortion and anti-communist. He believes all churches should be armed and ready for attack, admonishing Christians to remember the “four G’s of survival: Groceries, Guns, Gold and God.” In a pamphlet titled “The Christian At War” (available for purchase on the church’s website), Hammond says, “Much of the Bible is written by soldiers and for soldiers.”

Over the past year, Johnson and the church militia have developed a relationship with Steve Klein, a longtime religious-right activist who brags about having led a “hunter killer” team as a Marine in Vietnam. Klein, who calls Islam a “penis-driven religion” and thinks Los Angeles Sheriff Lee Baca is a Muslim Brotherhood patsy, is allied with Christian activist groups across California. In 2011, as head of the Concerned Citizens for the First Amendment, he worked with the Vista, Calif.-based Christian Anti-Defamation Commission on a campaign to “arm” students with the “truth about Islam and Muhammad” — mainly by leafleting high schools with literature depicting the Prophet Mohammed as a sex-crazed pedophile.

Klein, based in Hemet, Calif., has been active in extremist movements for decades. In 1977, he founded Courageous Christians United, which now conducts “respectful confrontations” outside of abortion clinics, Mormon temples and mosques. Klein also has ties to the Minuteman movement. In 2007, he sued the city of San Clemente for ordering him to stop leafleting cars with pamphlets opposing illegal immigration.

In addition to working with Johnson and the Church at Kaweah’s militia, Klein conducts drills with the Christian Guardians, a San Francisco-based group headed by Andrew Saqib James, an American-born Pakistani Christian who calls Islam “a giant crime syndicate” and hopes his group will become “the most feared militia in the world.” For the past year, the Church at Kaweah’s website has advertised joint trainings with the Christian Guardians and other likeminded groups. Based at the church’s sprawling grounds, the series of trainings is described as a “unique system of learning how to survive the Muslim Brotherhood as we teach the Christian Morality of Biblical Warfare.”

Clarkson, the journalist who specializes in religious extremism, said the Church at Kaweah appears to have been successful in integrating people with military expertise seamlessly into its theology of confrontation, in part by minimizing doctrinal differences that have bedeviled similar efforts by other radical churches.

“We saw the beginnings of this during the militia movement of the 1990s, but this appears to be more advanced,” Clarkson said. “Fifteen years ago, the idea of a church-based militia seemed novel. Now it seems likely to be a permanent model of far-right revolutionary organizations.”

Link (http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-report/browse-all-issues/2012/spring/onward-christian-soldiers)

[ELVIS]

:elvis:

[Nitro Express]

Personally I think the film should be broadcast permanently 24/7.

I think people should make films, posters, art work, etc. depicting Mohammed fucking goats in the ass, being ass-raped by big well-hung Arab men, licking dog's assholes, or all of the above.

Open the cages and let the animals run wild.

[Nitro Express]

Of course.... fucking ghoulish bastard probably went to an LDS baptism ceremony for the dead diplomats right after that fucked up press conference.

I hear the food is excellent in the LDS temple cafeterias these days. Mitt probably went for the the prime rib dinner and then did their proxy temple work for them.

[Nitro Express]

I'm sorry but that is all irrelevant.

So the guy is probably an asshole that's not the point.

It's very very easy to support freedom of speech when it's someone you agree with.

When people are murdered in the name of ridiculous dogma you don't start by reinforcing their evil bullshit by attacking the guy that offended them. You can't give offence you can only take it.

If I say on here the Koran is ridiculous and as full of holes and mistakes as the bible and then a twat goes and kills someone else because he has been offended is that my fault? Should I be punished?

David Lee Roth has a great saying he learned from his mom. It goes, "You are as big as what offends you." So true. If some nothing pip squeak minister half-way around the world offends you to the point of killing a bunch of innocent people, you are smaller than Sammy Hagar's dick

[Nitro Express]

Truth. We just smoke weed and talk about outer space and science and shit.

[Nickdfresh]

Romney under friendly fire for his response to embassy attack in Libya
By Holly Bailey, Yahoo! News | The Ticket – 11 hrs ago

Will Mitt Romney's hasty response to the deadly attacks on the American diplomatic missions in Egypt and Libya go down as the misstep that doomed his campaign to unseat President Barack Obama?

The Republican presidential candidate came under fire from Republicans and Democrats on Wednesday for politicizing the outbreak of deadly violence in the Middle East, including the breaching of the American Embassy in Cairo and an attack on the American Consulate in Libya, which claimed the life of Ambassador Chris Stevens and three other diplomatic workers.

Romney released a scathing statement on Tuesday night blasting the Obama administration for its "disgraceful" response to the attacks. The statement was at first embargoed until after midnight in order to avoid publicly criticizing Obama on the 11th anniversary of the 9/11 terrorist attacks but then was released anyway. In the statement, which came just hours before Stevens was confirmed to be among those killed, Romney suggested the White House had chosen to "sympathize with those who waged the attacks" instead of condemning the attackers.

Romney was referring to a statement issued by the American Embassy in Cairo condemning an obscure anti-Muslim YouTube video that had set off the demonstrations. But the embassy's statement had been an effort to head off the violence—not released after the assaults on American diplomatic missions, as Romney's statement suggested.

Steve Schmidt, who managed John McCain's 2008 campaign, told Yahoo News that Romney's decision to stand behind his initial criticism of Obama could damage his image with voters.

"For people who are running for president, this is a test where people evaluate their mettle as commander in chief, and the Romney campaign put out a statement before the facts were in that politicized the matter and gratuitously attacked the administration for something they did not do," Schmidt said. "The decision to double down on the initial mistake has put them into a potentially very dangerous political situation. During a foreign policy crisis, you can't build a position on a foundation of politics. … The situation remains serious, it's volatile and Romney is appearing to be very political."

The danger for Romney is that his response to the Middle East attacks feeds into a consensus among the news media that his campaign to unseat Obama is in serious trouble. For the fourth time in recent months, prominent conservatives have gone public with fretting over the direction of Romney's campaign—a panic set off most recently by conservative radio host Laura Ingraham's suggestion Monday that if Romney can't beat Obama then the Republican Party should be "shut down." On Tuesday, the Wall Street Journal editorial board piled on, suggesting Romney could lose the election because he's been too vague when it comes to explaining his policies.

"Mistakes like this happen when a campaign begins to feel under pressure," Schmidt told Yahoo News. "The Democrats had a more successful convention, the president's opened up a lead in the polls, there's been a lot of criticism by conservative commentators about campaign strategy. … They acted too quickly, too rashly, too politically—looking obviously for a way to change the narrative, the dynamic in the race."
...

Rest at Yahoo.com (http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/romney-under-friendly-fire-response-libyan-embassy-attack-213729383--election.html)

[Nitro Express]

There is no neutral reporting on this campaign. Just left right propaganda. Who knows what the truth is. Each side demonizes the other side and praises their candidate. Everything is distorted and blown out of proportion. If anything the polls and media have shown themselves to be biased and flat out liars. They have lost credibility. People are waiting for the debates. That will be the true test. You can spin a news story any which way you want.

[Hardrock69]

Funny, I posted a lengthy reply to a friend's email earlier today, where I said Mittens was going to lose the election because he has not laid out any specific policies for the presidency.

Then I see the above article, where the Wall Street Journal says the same thing.

I guess I must be somewhat perceptive about Mittens and his bullshit. The older I get, the easier it gets to spot bullshit artists.

Not that it was difficult, in this case, as he IS a politician. And an incompetent one at that.

Seriously.....this campaign is almost as bad as McCain's. Whereas Paul Ryan could possibly have been a better pick for VP than Airhead Palin, he has had an extremely difficult time defending the platform Mittens is running on (platform? What platform?). Even network news anchors like Diane Sawyer are having a VERY easy time making him look like an idiot.

And now Mittens hauls off and talks smack about Obama during a serious foreign policy situation. Accusing him of something he did not do. Blaming Obama for a statement he did not release. Which had nothing to do with the attack in Libya (which was simply an attack scheduled for 9/11).

He may as well cave in. He and his minions continue to shoot their mouths off, demonstrating to the world they are ignorant morons who ARE unfit to run this nation.


Further on in the article:


Romney did not back off his criticism of the Obama administration Wednesday at a hastily arranged press conference in Florida. "It's a terrible course for America to stand in apology for our values," Romney told reporters. "It's never too early for the U.S. government to condemn attacks on Americans and defend our values. ... When our grounds are being attacked, being breached, the first response of the United States must be outrage."




He wants to talk about "our values". What a fucking tool.

Our "values" are that we respect other cultures, other religions, etc.

The statement made by the American Embassy was meant to calm the waters. In geo-political terms, it was NOT "apologizing for 'our' values".

It was pointing out that the movie in question was not representative of the opinions of the United States.

Sort of like the generalized disclaimer "The views of this film do not necessarily reflect the views of the management".

It was NOT an "apology".

And for Mittens to include Libya in this rubbish is proof that he is a fucking fool.

What cracks me up is how all these Republicans.....including Condaleeza Rice and others, refused to comment on Mitten's statement. Which is exactly the same thing as stating they do not agree with it.

One thing is for sure. This demonstrates to everyone he has no clue about foreign policy, and that is an ESSENTIAL skill for a presidential candidate to have.

I can't wait to see what is going to happen next that demonstrates what a fucking batshit retard he is. Will it be a misstep he makes? Like this one? Will it be one of his idiot minions?

Stay tuned to this channel for the next episode of "As The Republicans Fuck Up".

http://i47.tinypic.com/345zkg3.jpg

[Hardrock69]

There is no neutral reporting on this campaign. Just left right propaganda. Who knows what the truth is. Each side demonizes the other side and praises their candidate. Everything is distorted and blown out of proportion. If anything the polls and media have shown themselves to be biased and flat out liars. They have lost credibility. People are waiting for the debates. That will be the true test. You can spin a news story any which way you want.

True.

I realized something the other day.

I cannot wait for the Vice Presidential debates.

Paul Ryan vs. Joe Lieberman?

:lmao:

Lieberman is going to eat him for breakfast, lunch and dinner.

Ryan does not stand a chance.

As for the presidential debates, Romney will get no second chance. Since Obama is the incumbent, he has an edge to begin with, historically speaking.

But Obama is one smart motherfucker, and will tear Mittens a new asshole without thinking about it. So Mittens needs to prepare himself. SERIOUSLY.

I do look forward to the debates, as that is the true test.

[BigBadBrian]

True.

I realized something the other day.

I cannot wait for the Vice Presidential debates.

Paul Ryan vs. Joe Lieberman?

:lmao:

Lieberman is going to eat him for breakfast, lunch and dinner.


You're out of your mind. Ryan will make Idiot Joe Biden look like the stuttering fool he is. Ryan will shred Biden the way he shredded Obama during the bipartisan healthcare talks.

Ryan Schools Obama

[BigBadBrian]

That was Mittens 3am phone call and he just let it ring.....

Obama is the one who slept through the night without even bothering to find out where the ambassador or the other people were. They had disappeared for up to 12 hours without anyone in the administration knowing where they were.

[Matt White]

Obama is the one who slept through the night without even bothering to find out where the ambassador or the other people were. They had disappeared for up to 12 hours without anyone in the administration knowing where they were.

You were in his room?!?

[ZahZoo]

After reading and watching a lot on this... I'm thinking the Cairo attack was over this so called movie, which seems to be more bullshit surrounding it's production once people started looking into it's origin and who made it.

The attack in Libya is looking far more military coordinated than bunch of idiots pissed off over some film. Too coordinated and too coincidental on 9/11 to have been some religious demonstration.

[Carloscda]

Obama is the one who slept through the night without even bothering to find out where the ambassador or the other people were. They had disappeared for up to 12 hours without anyone in the administration knowing where they were.

Try again....

Stop listening to Rush and co and get a clue!!

[ODShowtime]

Obama is the one who slept through the night without even bothering to find out where the ambassador or the other people were. They had disappeared for up to 12 hours without anyone in the administration knowing where they were.

I can't believe obama didn't hop on a plane and investigate!

This is a tragedy and the god-damned arabs just killed one of our Ambassadors. This is completely unacceptable and we should be circling the wagons.

God damned animals. There's no excuse for this sort of behavior.

[gbranton]

Lieberman is going to eat him for breakfast, lunch and dinner.

Really? I am not a fan of either guy but to present Joe as anything other than a fucking idiot is a stretch. He has been impaled on his own words and actions about 475 times in the last three years. Judging from his words and actions I'm not sure he can REMEMBER what the fuck he had for breakfast, lunch OR dinner.

[ELVIS]

I think you're wrong...

Average idiots don't care about facts...

So Joe can say what ever the fuck he wants to, and if he get's the tears flowing at the right moments, he's sure to win...


:biggrin:

[Dr. Love]

The older I get



True.

I realized something the other day.

I cannot wait for the Vice Presidential debates.

Paul Ryan vs. Joe Lieberman?

:lmao:

Lieberman is going to eat him for breakfast, lunch and dinner.

Ryan does not stand a chance.

As your friend, I think you should get tested for Alzheimer's.

Either that, or someone needs to explain why the VP candidate of 2000 is participating in the 2012 VP debates!

[FORD]

I remember the 2000 VP "debates".

And I used the quotation marks because I seem to remember Holy Joe and Unholy Darth agreeing on just about everything. Should have been a clue as to how evil Lieberdouche was, but at the time, I thought he was merely a "conservative democrat" who got a little too hysterical about video games and movies.

[Hardrock69]

Well, we will see.

Basically I formed my opinion around the fact that Joe has been in Congress for...how long? Since the Jews left Egypt?

Ryan is just a youngster.

Sure, Joe will have to mind his Ps and Qs. But his experience is going to serve him well in the debates.

Sure I could be wrong. He could be the one with Alzheimers.

But we ARE going to see what happens.

[WACF]

After reading and watching a lot on this... I'm thinking the Cairo attack was over this so called movie, which seems to be more bullshit surrounding it's production once people started looking into it's origin and who made it.

The attack in Libya is looking far more military coordinated than bunch of idiots pissed off over some film. Too coordinated and too coincidental on 9/11 to have been some religious demonstration.


This thread has taken a few turns.

One thing you must not forget is your freedom.

Good people died over a C grade youtube movie...maybe...was that a reason or a excuse.
Regardless...NEVER...blame someone for exercising their right to freedom of speech.
NEVER make excuses for these evil doers and make them the victim in this...they killed and paraded the bodies...some claim sodomized.

If this movie was about Christ or Buddha no diplomat would have been murdered.

Take a stand...defend your rights and values...do not demean what happened.
Denounce these assholes and their oversensitive insecure view on religion.
They need a strong leader to tell them they are wrong...not make excuses...we pander too much to the sensitive feelings of some religions.
I grew up Catholic and have had a life of people telling me why my religion is wrong...I never killed anyone over it.
(Little factoid.....I consider myself a recovering Catholic....I see the bullshit in all religions and the human need to believe when we die it can't be over.)

Some are saying this was organized...and more of a show of defiance on 9/11....maybe.

Regardless....the guy that made this shit video is not to blame...and hunting him down will solve nothing but make him a target.
He did nothing wrong but exercise his right...offended or not you need to back him...otherwise we will be losing rights.

I don't give a fuck how offended I may be at someones view...I will defend their right to speak it!

[BigBadBrian]

As your friend, I think you should get tested for Alzheimer's.

Either that, or someone needs to explain why the VP candidate of 2000 is participating in the 2012 VP debates!

:biggrin: He'll figure it out...eventually.

[BigBadBrian]

Try again....

Stop listening to Rush and co and get a clue!!

I told the truth...something you Obamabots don't know anything of.

You're back for another bitch-slapping, huh Bitch? :lmao:

[Nitro Express]

This thread has taken a few turns.

One thing you must not forget is your freedom.

Good people died over a C grade youtube movie...maybe...was that a reason or a excuse.
Regardless...NEVER...blame someone for exercising their right to freedom of speech.
NEVER make excuses for these evil doers and make them the victim in this...they killed and paraded the bodies...some claim sodomized.

If this movie was about Christ or Buddha no diplomat would have been murdered.

Take a stand...defend your rights and values...do not demean what happened.
Denounce these assholes and their oversensitive insecure view on religion.
They need a strong leader to tell them they are wrong...not make excuses...we pander too much to the sensitive feelings of some religions.
I grew up Catholic and have had a life of people telling me why my religion is wrong...I never killed anyone over it.
(Little factoid.....I consider myself a recovering Catholic....I see the bullshit in all religions and the human need to believe when we die it can't be over.)

Some are saying this was organized...and more of a show of defiance on 9/11....maybe.

Regardless....the guy that made this shit video is not to blame...and hunting him down will solve nothing but make him a target.
He did nothing wrong but exercise his right...offended or not you need to back him...otherwise we will be losing rights.

I don't give a fuck how offended I may be at someones view...I will defend their right to speak it!

Sooner or later you have to take a stand. I have. Nobody gets special treatment. I grew up in a religion that was constantly made fun of and some people didn't like me because I grew up in that religion. I didn't choose it and actually I wanted out of it but still got smeared with the brush. Other people are in the same boat. Everyone gets some crap. Travel around the world. You will be in places people don't like you because of where you come from or what you look like. Does that mean you are justified in killing people because they insulted you? No.

The muslims are telling the world we want special treatment. The world needs to tell them to go fuck themselves. They want the rest of the world to fear them and kiss their ass. Fuck that!

[jhale667]

All moderate religious types need to start seriously calling out and shaming their crazies, but Islam needs to do it badly....was talking to one of my muslim friends about it yesterday, her comment: "They (the violent zealotard sects) need to grow the fuck up."

[Nickdfresh]

I think you're wrong...

Average idiots don't care about facts...

So Joe can say what ever the fuck he wants to, and if he get's the tears flowing at the right moments, he's sure to win...


:biggrin:

Well, being an average idiot you should know!

[Nitro Express]

All moderate religious types need to start seriously calling out and shaming their crazies, but Islam needs to do it badly....was talking to one of my muslim friends about it yesterday, her comment: "They (the violent zealotard sects) need to grow the fuck up."

That's a good way to put it. They are children who do whatever the big daddy cleric tells them to do. The rest of the world is growing up. It's hard to set off a war anywhere else in the world. So when you have people like Dick Chenney and Donald Rumsfeld that want another war to make lucrative contract money, it's going to be the middle east where they are going to start another war. Why? it's full of angry two year olds who have been someone's useful idiots for a long, long time.

Organized religion is nothing more than some religious/political hustlers controlling a group of people through fear. The fear of death or a uncertain future has always been handy. Then of course you have the fear of others in the group punishing you for thinking outside the group. Beheading, stoning, and crucifixtion are also handy at keeping you in line. I always laugh at political leaders that think they have brought peace to the middle east. I knew this shit was going to roll in hard and heavy.

[Nitro Express]

Someone needs to start an anti-religion religion. Hey I'm tempted. I could live tax free.

[vandeleur]

Someone needs to start an anti-religion religion. Hey I'm tempted. I could live tax free.

Is that a bump from when L Ron Hubbard was in the army :D

[WACF]

Watch the whole clip...some interesting thoughts on why this happened


[url]http://www.sunnewsnetwork.ca/archives/sunnews/straighttalk/2012/09/20120914-074248.html[url]

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[FORD]

I know that Sun is basically "FAUX North", so is that guy supposed to be their Bill O'Reilly?

Protests about the blind sheik with the Santa Claus hat? That would be a waste of time, because I doubt that son of a bitch is going anywhere. Though at least it's arguably a better excuse to go crazy than an Allah damned movie, I suppose.

[WACF]

I know that Sun is basically "FAUX North", so is that guy supposed to be their Bill O'Reilly?

Protests about the blind sheik with the Santa Claus hat? That would be a waste of time, because I doubt that son of a bitch is going anywhere. Though at least it's arguably a better excuse to go crazy than an Allah damned movie, I suppose.

Fox News of the North......really?

Right wing...yup...but they get grief from Conservative MPs too.

But one of the better more honest news channels we have.
Some of their staff is out there...but they touch stories the others won't.

Like any network...you gotta put the bias away...and they have their fair share...but so does the CBC...they have been busted many times for lying in their anti-Harper crusade.

I find Brian Lilley is one of Canada's better news personalities.
I get tired of some of his Anti-Union stories...but alot are bang on.

[ELVIS]

Someone needs to start an anti-religion religion.

That basically describes a lot of non-denominational churches...

[FORD]

Fox News of the North......really?

Right wing...yup...but they get grief from Conservative MPs too.


Well, when the network is run by Harper's former communications director, Brian Mulroney is on their board of directors, and they list the likes of Mann Coulter, Pam Geller, Brigette Gabriel, David Whoreowitz, and Daniel "Crack" Pipes (among others) as "contributors", it's hard to imagine how such a network could claim to be anything other than biased. :headlights:

Of course those idiots probably think Stevie is a "liberal"

[WACF]

Well, when the network is run by Harper's former communications director, Brian Mulroney is on their board of directors, and they list the likes of Mann Coulter, Pam Geller, Brigette Gabriel, David Whoreowitz, and Daniel "Crack" Pipes (among others) as "contributors", it's hard to imagine how such a network could claim to be anything other than biased. :headlights:

Of course those idiots probably think Stevie is a "liberal"

I grew up with Kory Teneycke...His older brother and I went to school together.

So...I have know him since he was in Kindergarten.

Good kid...

Brian Mulroney and PMSH are not friends...and have sparred in the past.

Sun News gives those people a place to voice their opinion...what is wrong with that.

I try to watch Thom Hartman on RT too...He is out there too sometimes...but informative.

Regardless...I watch a lot of news...and find I watch CPAC and Sun more than CBC and CTV...Global news is pretty decent too.
You can watch House of Commons debates and question period on CPAC then see how the CBC spins it a couple hours later...I would enjoy them getting public money cut just because of the bias.

I do not bother with CNN or Fox...those two are pointless.

You gotta watch a bit of everything and make up your own opinion...because the majority of media does not tell you everything.

[FORD]

I grew up with Kory Teneycke...His older brother and I went to school together.

So...I have know him since he was in Kindergarten.

Good kid...

Brian Mulroney and PMSH are not friends...and have sparred in the past.

Sun News gives those people a place to voice their opinion...what is wrong with that.

I try to watch Thom Hartman on RT too...He is out there too sometimes...but informative.



What's wrong with that, is that they are birthers and genocidal wackjobs.

I'm not opposed to sane conservatives having some access to the airwaves (assuming you can find any). But you have to draw the line somewhere. Nobody would give a nazi skinhead or a member of the KKK a regular spot on a TV news network. Yet that's exactly what Pipes, Geller, and Gabrielle are, and what Coulter and Horowitz come damn close to being. Just because they don't shave their heads or dance around a burning cross wearing bedsheets doesn't make their views any less repugnant.

[ELVIS]

Well, being an average idiot you should know!

Go back to whacking off, Dickforbreath...

[Nickdfresh]

Go back to whacking off, Dickforbreath...

Go back to being an ignorant sister-fucker retard. oh wait! you've always been there!

[Hardrock69]

Dupe post. Delete please.

[Hardrock69]

True dat.

Oh, and I meant Joe Biden in post #89.
Got my Joes mixed up.

[Seshmeister]

http://www.theonion.com/articles/no-one-murdered-because-of-this-image,29553/


No One Murdered Because Of This Image




http://o.onionstatic.com/images/18/18053/16x9/635.jpg?1577


WASHINGTON—Following the publication of the image above, in which the most cherished figures from multiple religious faiths were depicted engaging in a lascivious sex act of considerable depravity, no one was murdered, beaten, or had their lives threatened, sources reported Thursday. The image of the Hebrew prophet Moses high-fiving Jesus Christ as both are having their erect penises vigorously masturbated by Ganesha, all while the Hindu deity anally penetrates Buddha with his fist, reportedly went online at 6:45 p.m. EDT, after which not a single bomb threat was made against the organization responsible, nor did the person who created the cartoon go home fearing for his life in any way. Though some members of the Jewish, Christian, Hindu, and Buddhist faiths were reportedly offended by the image, sources confirmed that upon seeing it, they simply shook their heads, rolled their eyes, and continued on with their day.

[FORD]

That Ganesh is a real slut.

[ELVIS]

That should be Tin Panzy's new album cover...

[FORD]

Is that really Buddha, or is it Limbaugh?

[Nitro Express]

Is that really Buddha, or is it Limbaugh?

What would make Rush smile more than being anally fisted by a GOP elephant?

[Nitro Express]

http://www.theonion.com/articles/no-one-murdered-because-of-this-image,29553/


No One Murdered Because Of This Image




http://o.onionstatic.com/images/18/18053/16x9/635.jpg?1577


WASHINGTON—Following the publication of the image above, in which the most cherished figures from multiple religious faiths were depicted engaging in a lascivious sex act of considerable depravity, no one was murdered, beaten, or had their lives threatened, sources reported Thursday. The image of the Hebrew prophet Moses high-fiving Jesus Christ as both are having their erect penises vigorously masturbated by Ganesha, all while the Hindu deity anally penetrates Buddha with his fist, reportedly went online at 6:45 p.m. EDT, after which not a single bomb threat was made against the organization responsible, nor did the person who created the cartoon go home fearing for his life in any way. Though some members of the Jewish, Christian, Hindu, and Buddhist faiths were reportedly offended by the image, sources confirmed that upon seeing it, they simply shook their heads, rolled their eyes, and continued on with their day.

They need to add Mohamed having anal sex with a pig. That would get the attention this wonderful piece of art deserves. We can blame it on the Russians.

[FORD]

What would make Rush smile more than being anally fisted by a GOP elephant?

Good catch! :biggrin:

[Hardrock69]

Ha..Sesh beat me to the punch.

Saw this earlier in the day, but had other things to do.

[Nickdfresh]

Incidentally, one of the guys responsible for the video, Nakoula, is on probation for identity theft and fraud. The convicted felon may have violated his probation by being in contact with the internet and may be facing back-to jail time...

Story at CNN.com (http://www.cnn.com/2012/09/15/world/anti-islam-filmmaker/index.html)

[ashstralia]

Some of our fine shining beacons of the faith held a little soirée in Sydney yesterday...

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/fury-at-sydney-protests-20120915-25z0a.html

[Redballjets88]

I don't see a point in us sending troops or drone over. How about we take a page from the amish and just shun those fucks? And in 5 years when they are worse off than now maybe they will realize that the US does much more good than harm. They are idiots and refuse to join the 21st century. If anything let the "progressive" Europeans deal
with all their bullshit. Oh wait euros are more bigoted toward Muslims than we are

[Nickdfresh]

BENGHAZI, Libya (Reuters) - Pro-government demonstrators stormed the headquarters of the Islamist Ansar al-Sharia militia in the Libyan city of Benghazi on Friday, aiming to evict fighters from the site, Reuters witnesses said.

Ansar al-Sharia has been linked to the attack on the U.S. consulate in Benghazi last week in which the U.S. ambassador to Libya and three other Americans died. It denies involvement.

Friday's action against the group appeared to be part of a coordinated sweep of militia headquarters buildings by police, government troops and activists following a mass public demonstration against militia units earlier in the day.

Chanting "Libya, Libya", hundreds of demonstrators entered, pulling down militia flags and torching a vehicle inside the compound, the group's main base in Benghazi.

The crowd waved swords and even a meat cleaver, crying "No more Al Qaeda!" and "The blood we shed for freedom shall not go in vain!"

"After what happened at the American consulate, the people of Benghazi had enough of the extremists," said demonstrator Hassan Ahmed. "They did not give allegiance to the army. So the people broke in and they fled."

There was no sign of resistance from the militia at the compound, once the base of forces of former leader Muammar Gaddafi.

"It looks like they (militia fighters) wanted to defuse the situation so they fled," Ahmed said.

"This place is like the Bastille. This is where Gaddafi controlled Libya from, and then Ansar al-Sharia took it over. This is a turning point for the people of Benghazi."

The demonstrators also took over a compound belonging to the Abu Slim Brigade, another independent militia, and another compound belonging to Ansar al-Sharia.

Thousands of Libyans had earlier marched in Benghazi in support of democracy and against the Islamist militias that Washington blames for the assault on its consulate. Hundreds of Ansar al-Sharia supporters held their own protest.

The "Rescue Benghazi day" demonstration called for the government to disband armed groups that have refused to give up their weapons since the NATO-backed revolution last year.

"It's obvious that this protest is against the militias. All of them should join the army or security forces as individuals, not as groups," medical student Ahmed Sanallah, 27, said. "Without that there will be no prosperity and no success for the new Libya."

"DEFEND BENGHAZI"

Although the main demands of the marchers did not mention the attack on the U.S. consulate, it seems to have provided a strong impetus for the authorities to rally support behind the country's weak government.

U.S. ambassador Christopher Stevens was well liked, and many Libyans condemned the attack on the consulate despite being angered by the anti-Islamic U.S.-made film that triggered it.

Some protesters' placards in English read: "We demand justice for Stevens" and "Libya lost a friend".

Others had mixed views.

"I am out today to defend Benghazi. Killing the ambassador is a completely separate thing," said 26-year-old Amjad Mohammed Hassan, a network engineer.

"I don't give a damn about the killing of the ambassador because the Americans offended the Prophet. I am just here for Benghazi."

Benghazi, 1,000 km (600 miles) from Tripoli across largely empty desert, is controlled by various armed groups, including some comprised of Islamists who openly proclaim their hostility to democratic government and the West.

Some are identified by local people as being among those who were at the consulate protest last week. U.S. officials have described the violence as a "terrorist attack".

Abu Al-Qaa, a demonstrator at the Ansar al-Sharia counter-demonstration on Friday, said Stevens had been "preparing for the entry of American troops into Libya".

"The will of the Prophet was to expel infidels from Muslim lands so that Muslims prevail. Terrorizing your enemy is one of Islam's tenets," he said.

He said he had fought American troops in Iraq where he was arrested, sent back to Gaddafi's Libya and jailed for three years. One banner at the Ansar al-Sharia demonstration read: "Day to rescue Benghazi or day to rescue America?"

(Additional reporting by Omar Al-Mosmary and Ali Shuaib; Writing by Marie-Louise Gumuchian; Editing by Andrew Roche)

Link (http://news.yahoo.com/eight-people-arrested-over-benghazi-attack-official-173621608.html)

[Nitro Express]

This place is like the Bastille
Off with their heads!

[ZahZoo]

Reading the news this morning... appears the Libyan government is taking action to disband these "militias" that are stirring up trouble and violence. Sounds promising from a US perspective... probably gonna get uglier there though.

Arab Spring seemed like a good thing at the time running out the old regimes... but it's gonna be a long time before any solid stability in that region takes hold. If ever...

[Dr. Love]

http://www.theonion.com/articles/no-one-murdered-because-of-this-image,29553/


No One Murdered Because Of This Image




http://o.onionstatic.com/images/18/18053/16x9/635.jpg?1577


WASHINGTON—Following the publication of the image above, in which the most cherished figures from multiple religious faiths were depicted engaging in a lascivious sex act of considerable depravity, no one was murdered, beaten, or had their lives threatened, sources reported Thursday. The image of the Hebrew prophet Moses high-fiving Jesus Christ as both are having their erect penises vigorously masturbated by Ganesha, all while the Hindu deity anally penetrates Buddha with his fist, reportedly went online at 6:45 p.m. EDT, after which not a single bomb threat was made against the organization responsible, nor did the person who created the cartoon go home fearing for his life in any way. Though some members of the Jewish, Christian, Hindu, and Buddhist faiths were reportedly offended by the image, sources confirmed that upon seeing it, they simply shook their heads, rolled their eyes, and continued on with their day.

You think that's funny, the atheist republic posted this picture on facebook:

http://i.imgur.com/VXCdU.jpg

and got all these kinds of responses (image too large to embed, just click):

http://i.imgur.com/K3dp3.jpg

[jhale667]

Islamic extremists need to lighten the fuck up....geeeeez :rolleyes: That cartoon rules, btw!

[BigBadBrian]

An Ambassador died, and then the Obama Administration Lied.

These stupid fucks occupying the White House are inept and despicable.

[Nickdfresh]

A nice, jerked off slogan. But what did they "lie" about?

[ZahZoo]

Islamic extremists need to lighten the fuck up....geeeeez :rolleyes: That cartoon rules, btw!

That's an interesting challenge facing the Islamic factions... they fought for liberty and freedom to govern/express themselves and earned it through the overthrow of those oppressive dictatorships. Now can they infuse tolerance within their fragile democracies to where they don't just become something worse than they fought to replace?

That's something that didn't happen quickly or easily in the early stages of the US... and we still aren't there fully. But I'm not optimistic the leaders in the Middle east have the cajones to make their world a better place...

[Nickdfresh]

I agree with Zah, and in the end the killing of the U.S. Ambassador in Libya seems to have been a Pyrrhic victory for Islamic extremist militias there, as the the people on the whole are rising up and demanding law and order as a result of it--the vast majority of them being relatively pro-American or at least ambivalent towards America...

[BigBadBrian]

A nice, try-to-life slogan. But what did they "lie" about?

First they claimed the attack was a local protest gone awry because of that movie. It took them over a week to admit that it was a well-coordinated terrorist attack that was carefully planned out. The thing is, they knew that almost right away and kept claiming it was because of the movie. Susan Rice was one of the big offenders, as was Jay Carney.

[Nickdfresh]

First they claimed the attack was a local protest gone awry because of that movie. It took them over a week to admit that it was a well-coordinated terrorist attack that was carefully planned out. The thing is, they knew that almost right away and kept claiming it was because of the movie. Susan Rice was one of the big offenders, as was Jay Carney.

He referred to it as a terrorist attack fairly early on...

[BigBadBrian]

He referred to it as a terrorist attack fairly early on...

Wrong. It was almost a week.

[Nickdfresh]

Wrong. It was almost a week.

Pulling facts out of your ass again, Brian?


September 12 -- President Barack Obama:

"The United States condemns in the strongest terms this outrageous and shocking attack. ... No acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this great nation."

http://www.cnn.com/2012/10/01/politics/libya-attack-statements/index.html

The attack was conducted the previous day, on 9/11/12...

[ZahZoo]

I agree with Zah, and in the end the killing of the U.S. Ambassador in Libya seems to have been a Pyrrhic victory for Islamic extremist militias there, as the the people on the whole are rising up and demanding law and order as a result of it--the vast majority of them being relatively pro-American or at least ambivalent towards America...

That's the trend that needs support. At some point I think most of the people in Libya want an end to war and violence. Sadly there's a portion of the Islamic world that can't live with out the violence. But if more communities and countries get fed up with all the hate and killings... eventually they will move toward the desire to be a part of the peaceful and productive aspects of the world.

They have to realize they had their civil war and rose above their oppressive dictatorship... now you go build something that works... you don't just go invent a new enemy and continue killing and fighting. That's going to be the real challenge for the countries that engaged in the Arab Spring uprising...

[BigBadBrian]

Pulling facts out of your ass again, Brian?
http://www.cnn.com/2012/10/01/politics/libya-attack-statements/index.html
The attack was conducted the previous day, on 9/11/12...

Nick, you're leaving quite a bit out about the attacks. Obama didn't give any reason why the attacks occurred. He has constantly used the word terror to describe just about any inflammatory situation in the ME. It has been used by Barry to describe acts by crowds and professional terrorists alike. Besides, I said those in his ADMINISTRATION lied, not necessarily him. Though he did also!

Those in his administration on the same date, when they knew the attacks were a coordinated terrorist attack, said the following (same URL you used):


September 12 -- White House spokesman Jay Carney, in response to questions about whether the attack was planned:
"It's too early for us to make that judgment. I think -- I know that this is being investigated, and we're working with the Libyan government to investigate the incident. So I would not want to speculate on that at this time." Carney is a fucking weasel!!!


September 13 -- Jay Carney:
"The protests we're seeing around the region are in reaction to this movie. They are not directly in reaction to any policy of the United States or the government of the United States or the people of the United States." Fucking Liar!


September 13. -- A senior U.S. official tells CNN that the Benghazi violence was a "clearly planned attack:
"It was not an innocent mob," the official said. "The video or 9/11 made a handy excuse and could be fortuitous from their perspective, but this was a clearly planned military-type attack." Somebody had the balls to tell it like it is...probably Hillary. She's more of a man than Obama.


September 13 -- State Department spokeswoman Victoria Nuland:
"Well, as we said yesterday when we were on background, we are very cautious about drawing any conclusions with regard to who the perpetrators were, what their motivations were, whether it was premeditated, whether they had any external contacts, whether there was any link, until we have a chance to investigate along with the Libyans. So I know that's going to be frustrating for you, but we really want to make sure that we do this right and we don't jump to conclusions. That said, obviously, there are plenty of people around the region citing this disgusting video as something that has been motivating." The cunt tries to blame the video again! Pathetic.


September 14 -- Jay Carney:
"We were not aware of any actionable intelligence indicating that an attack on the U.S. mission in Benghazi was planned or imminent."
September 16 -- Susan Rice, U.S. ambassador to the United Nations, on CBS' "Face the Nation":
"We do not have information at present that leads us to conclude that this was premeditated or preplanned."
September 18 -- Jay Carney:
"Our belief based on the information we have is it was the video that caused the unrest in Cairo, and the video and the unrest in Cairo that helped -- that precipitated some of the unrest in Benghazi and elsewhere. What other factors were involved is a matter of investigation." Carney = Lying Turd


September 19 -- Jay Carney:
"It is a simple fact that there are, in post-revolution, post-war Libya, armed groups, there are bad actors hostile to the government, hostile to the West, hostile to the United States. And as has been the case in other countries in the region, it is certainly conceivable that these groups take advantage of and exploit situations that develop, when they develop, to protest against or attack either Westerners, Americans, Western sites or American sites. ... Right now I'm saying we don't have evidence at this point that this was premeditated or preplanned to coincide on a -- to happen on a specific date or coincide with that anniversary."


September 19 -- Director of National Intelligence Matthew Olson, responding to a question by Senate Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Chairman Joe Lieberman on whether the attack was a terrorist attack:
"They were killed in the course of a terrorist attack on our embassy. ... At this point, what I would say is that a number of different elements appear to have been involved in the attack, including individuals connected to militant groups that are prevalent in eastern Libya, particularly the Benghazi area, as well we are looking at indications that individuals involved in the attack may have had connections to al Qaeda or al Qaeda affiliates, in particular al Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb." Olson also said U.S. officials had no "specific evidence of significant advanced planning." Unbelievable!!!


September 20 -- Jay Carney:
"It is, I think, self-evident that what happened in Benghazi was a terrorist attack. Our embassy was attacked violently, and the result was four deaths of American officials."Finally, Carney, you dumbass!!!


September 20 -- President Obama at a town hall meeting organized by the Spanish-language Univsion Network, responding to a question about the possible involvement of al Qaeda:
"What we do know is that the natural protests that arose because of the outrage over the video were used as an excuse by extremists to see if they can also directly harm U.S. interests." Geez, what a wuss POTUS we have.


September 21 -- Hillary Clinton:
"What happened in Benghazi was a terrorist attack, and we will not rest until we have tracked down and brought to justice the terrorists who murdered four Americans." She has more balls than Barry does!


September 25 -- President Obama on ABC's The View," in response interviewer Joy Behar's question, "I heard Hillary Clinton say it was an act of terrorism. Is it? What do you say?":
"We're still doing an investigation. There's no doubt that (with) the kind of weapons that were used, the ongoing assault, that it wasn't just a mob action. Barack Finally tells the truth!!!We don't have all the information yet, so we're still gathering it. But what's clear is that around the world there's still a lot of threats out there." Obama also said "extremist militias" were suspected to have been involved. Suspected, my ass!!! They knew within 24 hours a militia with a coordinated attack did it.







September 27 -- A senior U.S. official tells CNN that it became clear within about a day of the Benghazi attack that it been work of terrorists:
Separately, CNN National Security Analyst Fran Townsend reports that a law enforcement source told her that "from day one we had known clearly that this was a terrorist attack." Yet members of the O admin were blaming the movie.


September 28: Statement by Shawn Turner, spokesman for Director of National Intelligence James Clapper:
"In the immediate aftermath, there was information that led us to assess that the attack began spontaneously following protests earlier that day at our embassy in Cairo. We provided that initial assessment to executive branch officials and members of Congress, who used that information to discuss the attack publicly and provide updates as they became available. Throughout our investigation we continued to emphasize that information gathered was preliminary and evolving. As we learned more about the attack, we revised our initial assessment to reflect new information indicating that it was a deliberate and organized terrorist attack carried out by extremists." Spin Spin Spin

[Seshmeister]

People need to stop blaming the video, blame the criminal not the victim.

Saying the film is shitty or disgusting is like saying the rape victim was wearing a short skirt, it's irrelevant.

[ZahZoo]

People need to stop blaming the video, blame the criminal not the victim.

Saying the film is shitty or disgusting is like saying the rape victim was wearing a short skirt, it's irrelevant.

Are you implying the video was some sort of victim and the film maker a criminal..?

The making and publication of the video involved no legal crime... although the filmmaker was on probation and barred from using the internet. But his right to free speech in producing the film was not criminal.

Although from a cinematic and literary quality perspective that piece of shit film was a crime against good taste standards...

[Seshmeister]

No I should have been clearer.

I meant that by even mentioning the video was crap or offensive as most of the media did is like making a partial excuse for the lunatic criminals that 'avenged' it.

[Angel]

Are you implying the video was some sort of victim and the film maker a criminal..?

The making and publication of the video involved no legal crime... although the filmmaker was on probation and barred from using the internet. But his right to free speech in producing the film was not criminal.

Although from a cinematic and literary quality perspective that piece of shit film was a crime against good taste standards...

Lack of ethics as well. The actors were lied to, and many are now suing the bastard...

[DLR Bridge]

Lack of ethics as well. The actors were lied to, and many are now suing the bastard...

Were they told it was to be a re-boot of Gilligan's Island?


Just kidding.

[ZahZoo]

No I should have been clearer.

I meant that by even mentioning the video was crap or offensive as most of the media did is like making a partial excuse for the lunatic criminals that 'avenged' it.

The bizarre thing was the movie had been around for several months and drew no attention in the US... then some jackass had it translated to Arabic and started sending it to radicals in the middle east. The first few days when this thing broke had most the world scratching their heads going what the hell is this all about...

[Nickdfresh]

Nick, you're leaving quite a bit out about the attacks. Obama didn't give any reason why the attacks occurred. He has constantly used the word terror to describe just about any inflammatory situation in the ME. It has been used by Barry to describe acts by crowds and professional terrorists alike. Besides, I said those in his ADMINISTRATION lied, not necessarily him. Though he did also!

...

You can nitpick all you want, but you can't bullshit the facts. He referred to it as an act of terror. How can Obama "give a reason" a day after the attack? The FBI has just barely begun investigating!

[Nickdfresh]

The bizarre thing was the movie had been around for several months and drew no attention in the US... then some jackass had it translated to Arabic and started sending it to radicals in the middle east. The first few days when this thing broke had most the world scratching their heads going what the hell is this all about...

Is there even a movie? I've only heard there's a trailer...

[BigBadBrian]

You can nitpick all you want, but you can't bullshit the facts. He referred to it as an act of terror. How can Obama "give a reason" a day after the attack? The FBI has just barely begun investigating!

That's the entire point.

I didn't say Obama lied...I said members of his administration did...particularly Jay Carney and Susan Rice. Pay attention!!!

Susan Rice was claiming it was a crowd that got out of control because of the movie. Jay Carney was parroting that insinuation. The FBI wasn't even on the ground there until more than 3 weeks after the attack.

Now, today, the administration is spinning this and lying again and saying that they never said it was because of the video. Lying Bastards.

Read the Following:

WASHINGTON (AP) — All was quiet outside the U.S. Consulate as evening fell on Benghazi and President Barack Obama's envoy to Libya was retiring after a day of diplomatic meetings.
There was no indication of the harrowing events that night would bring: assailants storming the compound and setting its buildings aflame, American security agents taking fire across more than a mile of the city, the ambassador and three employees killed and others forced into a daring car escape against traffic.

Senior State Department officials on Tuesday revealed for the first time certain details of last month's tragedy in the former Libyan rebel stronghold, such as the efforts of a quick reaction force that rushed onto the scene and led the evacuation in a fierce gun battle that continued into the streets. The briefing was provided a day before department officials were to testify to a House committee about the most serious attack on a U.S. diplomatic installation since al-Qaida bombed the U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania 14 years ago.

The account answers some questions and leaves others unanswered. Chief among them is why for several days the Obama administration said the assault stemmed from a protest against an American-made Internet video ridiculing Islam, and whether the consulate had adequate security.
The officials, who spoke to reporters on condition of anonymity because they weren't authorized to speak publicly on the matter, said Ambassador Chris Stevens arrived in Benghazi and held meetings on and off the consulate grounds on Sept. 10. He spent the night, and then out of prudence spent the whole of the 11th anniversary of the 9/11 attacks meeting people inside the compound, an enclosed area about 300 yards long by 100 yards wide, with a 9-foot outer wall topped by barbed wire and augmented by barriers, steel drop bars and other security upgrades.

When Stevens finished his final meeting of the day, he escorted a Turkish diplomat outside the main entrance of the building. The situation was calm, the officials said, and there were no protests. Five U.S. agents and four local militiamen were providing security.

A little more than an hour later, around 9:40 p.m., everything changed.

The compound's agents were alerted by loud noises, gunfire and explosions near the front gate. A barracks near the entrance for the local militiamen was burned down. In the control center, agents watched on cameras as a large group of armed men flowed into the compound. They immediately sounded the alarm and made telephone calls to the embassy in Tripoli, officials in Washington, the Libyan authorities and the U.S. quick reaction force located at a second compound a little over a mile away.

One agent, armed with a sidearm and an assault rifle, took Stevens and State Department computer specialist Sean Smith to a safe room inside one of the compound's two main residences — an area protected by a heavy metal grill and several locks and stocked with medical supplies and water. The other agents rushed to equip themselves with long guns, body armor, helmets and ammunition at other buildings. Two tried to make it to the building with Stevens but took fire and were forced to retreat.

The attackers began to overrun the compound, the officials recounted. The intruders penetrated Stevens' building and tried to break the grill locks for the safe room but couldn't gain access. So they dumped cans of diesel fuel in the building, lit furniture on fire and set aflame part of the exterior of the building.

In the compound's other residence, two agents barricaded themselves against the attackers who had gotten inside the building. The attackers failed to enter the tactical operations center, where the last two agents were located, smashing the door but failing to break it.

Meanwhile, Stevens' building rapidly filled with thick diesel smoke and fumes from the burning furniture. Inside, visibility was less than 3 feet and, unable to breathe, the Americans went to a bathroom and opened a window, trying to get air. They decided to get out of the building. The security agent went first, flopping out onto a patio enclosed by sandbags and taking fire immediately.

Stevens and Smith didn't make it out, the officials said. The agent, suffering severely from smoke inhalation, went in and out of the building several times to look for them — in vain. He then climbed a ladder to the roof of the building and collapsed, radioing the other agents in a barely audible voice to alert them to the situation there.

The other four agents were able to then reunite, taking an armored vehicle to Stevens' building. They reached the collapsed agent and tried to set up a perimeter, taking turns going into the building and searching on hands and knees for the missing Americans. Smith was pulled out, dead. Stevens could not be found.

A six-member quick reaction security team arrived on the scene from its compound across town, the officials said. About 60 Libyan militiamen accompanied the team, and it again tried to secure a perimeter around Stevens' building, taking turns searching inside. Taking fire, the Libyan forces determined they couldn't hold the perimeter. An evacuation plan was quickly put in place to retreat to the reaction force's compound.

The evacuation proved anything but easy. Agents piled into an armored vehicle with Smith's body, facing immediate fire as they left through the main gate. Crowds and groups of men blocked two different routes to the security compound, so the Americans looked for an alternate way through heavy traffic at a speed of about 15 mph, so they wouldn't attract attention.

On a narrow street, according to officials, the agents reached a group of men who signaled for them to enter a compound. They sensed an ambush and sped away, but not before taking heavy fire from AK-47 machine guns at a distance of only 2 feet and hand grenades thrown against and under the car. Two tires were blown out.

They raced past another crowd of men and onto a main street, crossing a grassy median into opposing traffic. The agents then drove against oncoming traffic, eventually reaching their compound.
Once there they had to endure several more hours of intermittent gunfire and rocket-propelled grenades fired their way.

A team of reinforcements from the U.S. Embassy in Tripoli arrived on a chartered aircraft at the Benghazi airport and reached the security compound.

But the Americans could do little when their main building was hit by mortar fire around 4 a.m. Two security personnel were killed, and one agent who had been involved in the earlier fighting was severely wounded.

The men decided to leave the city. They spent the next hours securing the annex and moving a large convoy of vehicles to the airport.

They flew out on two planes.

LINK (http://news.yahoo.com/state-dept-reveals-details-benghazi-attack-062900114.html)

[MUSICMANN]

I find it so pathetic that the Obama administration is willing to flat out lie to the American people and not take responsibility for their lack of action and honesty


http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/10/10/state-department-denies-concluding-film-sparked-consulate-attack-in-libya/


This is what the administration was saying for almost a full 10 days after the attack.







I guess political gain and keeping his job is more important than than telling the truth and taking responsibility. Let's remember though, this guy's message is the truth. Al Queda is destroyed and no threat to us and GM is a blazing story of triumph and now is the #1 car maker in the world. Fucking moron.

[jhale667]

So you'd rather elect a confirmed pathological liar based on some crap you got off FAUX. Stay classy.

[FORD]

How many times are you going to post this same stupid distorted shit?

[Nickdfresh]

Already a thread on this shit! Combining...

[Nickdfresh]

That's the entire point.

I didn't say Obama lied...I said members of his administration did...particularly Jay Carney and Susan Rice. Pay attention!!!

Susan Rice was claiming it was a crowd that got out of control because of the movie. Jay Carney was parroting that insinuation. The FBI wasn't even on the ground there until more than 3 weeks after the attack.

Now, today, the administration is spinning this and lying again and saying that they never said it was because of the video. Lying Bastards.

No dummy, you said he took a week to refer to it as terrorism when he did so a day or two after. Secondly, Carney and Rice probably were assuming because they didn't know WTF they were talking about because there weren't a lot of facts.

The FBI hasn't been there because of security on the ground...

[BigBadBrian]

No dummy, you said he took a week to refer to it as terrorism when he did so a day or two after. Secondly, Carney and Rice probably were assuming because they didn't know WTF they were talking about because there weren't a lot of facts.
The FBI hasn't been there because of security on the ground...

Nick. you're not allowed to make up your own story!

On post 141 of this thread, I said: "First they claimed the attack was a local protest gone awry because of that movie. It took them over a week to admit that it was a well-coordinated terrorist attack that was carefully planned out. The thing is, they knew that almost right away and kept claiming it was because of the movie. Susan Rice was one of the big offenders, as was Jay Carney."

Now, it's completely verified that members of the Obama Admin lied about this. Obama using the word "terror" doesn't mean he's admitting it was al-qaeda.

[jhale667]

Nick. you're not allowed to make up your own story!


Why not? You do here daily!

[Nickdfresh]

He (Obama) referred to it as a terrorist attack fairly early on...



Wrong. It was almost a week.



Pulling facts out of your ass again, Brian?


September 12 -- President Barack Obama:

"The United States condemns in the strongest terms this outrageous and shocking attack. ... No acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this great nation."
http://www.cnn.com/2012/10/01/politics/libya-attack-statements/index.html

The attack was conducted the previous day, on 9/11/12...

Nitpick much, Brian?

[Nickdfresh]

...

Now, it's completely verified that members of the Obama Admin lied about this. Obama using the word "terror" doesn't mean he's admitting it was al-qaeda.

Well, there you go again...

Al Qaida? For all we know it was a militarized Islamic militia that fought in Libya's civil war. Why does it all have to come down to some super evil James Bond-villain group issuing orders while dodging Hellfire Missiles in Pakistan's Tribal Area?

[BigBadBrian]

Well, there you go again...

Al Qaida? For all we know it was a militarized Islamic militia that fought in Libya's civil war.

Try to read some news once in awhile, as opposed to the Leftist propaganda sites you obviously frequent.

Try to keep up... if you can. :gulp:

[Nickdfresh]

Try to read some news once in awhile, as opposed to the Leftist propaganda sites you obviously frequent.

Try to keep up... if you can. :gulp:

By all means, tell me the "leftist propaganda sites" I frequent, douchebag...

[BigBadBrian]

Now Biden blames the intelligence community. Carney and Rice blamed a video. Stephanie Cutter blamed the Romney/Ryan ticket. Obama went to the UN and blamed the video. This administration is a foreign policy amateur.

[BigBadBrian]

Why did Obama keep saying for days after the attack that this video was responsible? First at the UN and then on Letterman? Not to mention that Susan Rice and Jay Carney kept babbling the same.

Now it comes to light that the CIA station chief in Libya reported to Washington within 24 Hours that the attack was the responsibility of armed militants and not a demonstration gone bad.

What does this Administration have to hide, other than its ineptness?

:gun:

[jhale667]

Nothing. The CIA intelligence supports everything Rice, Carney and the POTUS said; essentially the video - and the anniversary of 9/11 was the smokescreen. There was no subterfuge on the administration's part in the statements made in an ONGOING INVESTIGATION - and to suggest so is lame partisan hackery, as this kind of thing happens no matter what party's in charge (seem to recall some terror attacks under the holy Reagan regime?). It's a horribly tragedy that should not be politicized, and yet sickeningly is.

[jhale667]

Low-quality vid, but Geraldo comes clean on FAUX...

[FORD]

Geraldo's a douche, but if he wants to smack down those three morning show morons, more power to him.

And what the fuck is this.... FAUX hired Steve Douchey's little brother now???

[BigBadBrian]

New info: Team Obama knew within 2 hours that this was a well-planned and coordinated TERRORIST ATTACK!!! Why did they lie to us for 2 weeks?

Obama Lied, Americans (4) Died!!!

[MUSICMANN]

New info: Team Obama knew within 2 hours that this was a well-planned and coordinated TERRORIST ATTACK!!! Why did they lie to us for 2 weeks?

Obama Lied, Americans (4) Died!!!


Yep, Obama and his team, lied flat out to us all on this issue and tried to cover it up for political fall out.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/10/23/state-dept-emails-from-day-libya-attack-show-al-qaeda-tied-group-on-radar/

[Nickdfresh]

New info: Team Obama knew within 2 hours that this was a well-planned and coordinated TERRORIST ATTACK!!! Why did they lie to us for 2 weeks?

Obama Lied, Americans (4) Died!!!

Is there any questions why you lunatics have no credibility? A group claimed responsibility, Answar Asshole Whatever, not even al Qaida. You know how many claims there are regarding virtually anything by terror groups and hoaxers?

[Nickdfresh]

Yep, Obama and his team, lied flat out to us all on this issue and tried to cover it up for political fall out.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/10/23/state-dept-emails-from-day-libya-attack-show-al-qaeda-tied-group-on-radar/

Oh, they were "on the radar!" Stop the fucking presses! I'm sure the article conveniently fails to mention the riots/protests at the Cairo Embassy that happened prior?

[Seshmeister]

New info: Team Obama knew within 2 hours that this was a well-planned and coordinated TERRORIST ATTACK!!! Why did they lie to us for 2 weeks?

Obama Lied, Americans (4) Died!!!


Even by your argument your slogan would have to be

Obama Lied, AFTER Americans (4) Died!!!


This is such a silly thing to try and nail Obama on, then again I thought that about the Swift Boat thing...

[FORD]

New info: Team Obama knew within 2 hours that this was a well-planned and coordinated TERRORIST ATTACK!!! Why did they lie to us for 2 weeks?

Obama Lied, Americans (4) Died!!!


Yep, Obama and his team, lied flat out to us all on this issue and tried to cover it up for political fall out.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/10/23/state-dept-emails-from-day-libya-attack-show-al-qaeda-tied-group-on-radar/

How is this "new info" when you two idiots, your idol Joe McCarThief, and every moron at FAUX Noize has been desperately spinning this pile of horseshit for weeks, trying to turn it into a "Iran helicopter crash 1979" thing.

Not like that was actually Carter's fault either, for that matter.

[baru911]

Pulling facts out of your ass again, Brian?



http://www.cnn.com/2012/10/01/politics/libya-attack-statements/index.html

The attack was conducted the previous day, on 9/11/12...

The fact that this administration paraded Susan Rice around on the Sunday political shows (FIVE of them) after that Rose Garden speech to disavow the terrorist language is all the evidence one needs to figure out where Mr. Ego and his administration stood on that issue. Also, if you read the speech, Mr. Ego refers, in the third paragraph, to the terrorists as “killers” and the terrorist attack as an “outrageous and shocking attack” but never a terrorist attack. In the next paragraph, he refers to them as “senseless violence” and “brutal acts.” (not acts of terror).

The house of cards they built on the situations is starting to unravel. As the e-mails, and soon the testimony of the key players will show - Mr. Ego and his administration has got a bit of explaining to do.

Lastly does anyone not find the attempt to by Mr. Ego and his people to taint Muslims and even attempting to expand the baseless stereotype of the Muslim faith in America with the "it was a video that caused the attack" as offensive? I'd have thought all you good left wingers would have found that to be offensive.

[baru911]

Not like that was actually Carter's fault either, for that matter.

Oh Lord. It is a weird day. I'm agreeing with Ford. The crash wasn't President Carter's fault. It was poor planning.

[sadaist]

Oh Lord. It is a weird day. I'm agreeing with Ford.



Don't you just hate when that happens? :)

[DLR Bridge]

Mr. Ego? You mean the guy who declared responsibility and accountability for the situation during the second debate?

Do me a favor and check out episode #263 of Real Time w/ Bill Maher. If you don't get HBO, the pod casts are free.

[jhale667]

Mr. Ego? You mean the guy who declared responsibility and accountability for the situation during the second debate?

Do me a favor and check out episode #263 of Real Time w/ Bill Maher. If you don't get HBO, the pod casts are free.

:baaa:

And agree - "Mr. Ego", FFS? This from the guy that's about to vote (against his own self-interests) for the self-important, poster-child for arrogance, greed and tax-evasion, pathological liar megalomaniac that's been failing at running for the better part of the last decade... :lmao:

[baru911]

Mr. Ego? You mean the guy who declared responsibility and accountability for the situation during the second debate?

Do me a favor and check out episode #263 of Real Time w/ Bill Maher. If you don't get HBO, the pod casts are free.

Real Time with Maher??? You're shitting me right? LMAO. Bill would NEVER taint nor bend anything.

I'm lost on your “declared responsibility and accountability statement”. Thus far, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton is the only member of Mr. Ego’s administration to take any blame. She said on Monday that she, not President Ego, is responsible for the Sept. 11 attacks in Benghazi that killed a U.S. diplomat and three other Americans.

Pres. Ego stated the following in the debate:

"The day after the attack, Governor, I stood in the Rose Garden and I told the American people and the world that we were going to find out exactly what happened, that this was an act of terror and I also said that we were going to hunt down those who committed this crime."

"I'm the president and I'm always responsible."

"Not everybody agrees with some of the decisions I've made, but when it comes to our national security I mean what I say... When I say that we're going to find out exactly what happened, everybody will be held accountable and I am ultimately responsible for what's taking place there, because these are my folks and I'm the one who has to greet those coffins when they come home - you know I mean what I say."

His statement of "I'm the president and I'm always responsible." doesn’t hold up. If that was the case then he is responsible for
1) failing to implement programs to bring the economy back
2) the crappy economy
3) the Gulf Oil spill
4) the mounting deficit that has been added every year in his administration

Course we all know that Pres. Ego is NOT responsible for those items. Those are Bush's fault if you believe what Pres. Ego has told us for the last 4 years. So, which is it? He doesn't get it both ways does he?

He has stated that we are going to find out what exactly happened. Course through other sources besides the White House it appears that we are finding out that the White House was copied on e-mails about the situation, that an unmanned Predator drone was over the consulate in Benghazi during the attack and it sent back live video of the attack, the attack lasted SEVEN HOURS, the ring leader of the attackers Ahmad Abu Khattala has admitted being at the consulate during the attack but has yet to be questioned by any Libyan authorities.

[envy_me]

Mr. Ego? You mean the guy who declared responsibility and accountability for the situation during the second debate?

Do me a favor and check out episode #263 of Real Time w/ Bill Maher. If you don't get HBO, the pod casts are free.

I LOVE Bill!!!

[jhale667]

Clearly someone didn't watch the 2nd OR 3rd debate... of the Secretary of State, Obama said "She works for ME. I'M responsible."

[DLR Bridge]

Real Time with Maher??? You're shitting me right? LMAO. Bill would NEVER taint nor bend anything.

I'm lost on your “declared responsibility and accountability statement”. Thus far, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton is the only member of Mr. Ego’s administration to take any blame. She said on Monday that she, not President Ego, is responsible for the Sept. 11 attacks in Benghazi that killed a U.S. diplomat and three other Americans.

Mr. Ego the following in the debate:

"The day after the attack, Governor, I stood in the Rose Garden and I told the American people and the world that we were going to find out exactly what happened, that this was an act of terror and I also said that we were going to hunt down those who committed this crime."

"I'm the president and I'm always responsible."

"Not everybody agrees with some of the decisions I've made, but when it comes to our national security I mean what I say... When I say that we're going to find out exactly what happened, everybody will be held accountable and I am ultimately responsible for what's taking place there, because these are my folks and I'm the one who has to greet those coffins when they come home - you know I mean what I say."


He has stated that we are going to find out what exactly happened. His statement of "I'm the president and I'm always responsible." doesn’t hold up. If that was the case then he is responsible for
1) failing to implement programs to bring the economy back
2) he’s responsible for the crappy economy
3) he’s responsible for the Gulf Oil spill
4) the mounting deficit that has been added every year in his administration

Course we all know that Pres. Ego is NOT responsible for those items. Those are Bush's fault is you believe what Pres. Ego tells us. So, which is it?

Through other sources it appears that we are finding out that the White House was copied on e-mails about the situation, that an unmanned Predator drone wasover the consulate in Benghazi during the attack and it sent back live video of the attack, the attack lasted SEVEN HOURS, the ring leader of the attackers Ahmad Abu Khattala has admitted being at the consulate during the horrific attack but has yet to be questioned by any Libyan authorities.

Bill got two conservatards to admit Rmoney fucked himself hard with regards to the ordeal.

Where was all of the anger from the right when their own president ignored the Clinton administration terror intel that lead to 3000 American deaths??? Don't dare fucking tell me that none of that info was worth taking seriously because of the Lewinsky scandal.

Where was all the anger from the right when their own president sent 4000 soldiers to there deaths in the wrong fucking country???

Look, I know it's frowned upon around here to rehash the fucking disgrace that was 2000 to 2008, but FFS, W mandated that the American troops in Iraq had to pray for him! HIM!!! Thank GOD we have a real human at the helm and not some imperialistic piece of shit!!!

[baru911]

Bill got two conservatards to admit Rmoney fucked himself hard with regards to the ordeal.

Where was all of the anger from the right when their own president ignored the Clinton administration terror intel that lead to 3000 American deaths??? Don't dare fucking tell me that none of that info was worth taking seriously because of the Lewinsky scandal.

Where was all the anger from the right when their own president sent 4000 soldiers to there deaths in the wrong fucking country???

Look, I know it's frowned upon around here to rehash the fucking disgrace that was 2000 to 2008, but FFS, W mandated that the American troops in Iraq had to pray for him! HIM!!! Thank GOD we have a real human at the helm and not some imperialistic piece of shit!!!

And the disgrace of the last four years doesn't seem to bother you. Pres. Ego has pursued the drastic escalation of the war in Afghanistan, despite the obvious impossibility of creating a stable, secure state there, is at best a major political blunder, and at worst an immoral waste of tens of thousands of human lives while also resulting in immense human suffering and costing untold billions in taxpayer dollars - money that could have been spent in this country. Pres. Ego's dramatic expansion of drone strikes, despite the fact that he knows that surgical killing from the skies is another impossible goal, may even constitute a war crime, especially considering that civilian contractors (crap I used the most unholy of terms there) are often involved in the exercise of this deadly force outside of declared combat zones.

Fuck it. I'll just type some of the negative Bush era polices continued or expanded under Mr. Ego's Administration:

1) Overall military spending is significantly up since President Bush left office

2) Bank bailouts with no strings attached continued unabated, with no accountability for past actions

3) Greatly expanded war in Afghanistan, threatening war with Iran and Syria

4) Greatly expanded the unmanned drone strikes in Africa and the Middle East and denial that any civilian casualties have occurred

5) Continued and expanded warrantless wiretapping at great taxpayer expense, and refusal to reveal how many citizens are being spied upon

6) Lack of Justice Dept. or other investigations into the financial collapse, foreclosure fraud, etc.

7) Continuation of indefinite detention without trial, now including American citizens after President Ego signed the NDAA into law

8) Expanded oil drilling in ecologically sensitive areas, support for more nuclear power plants, not supporting stricter drinking water standards, not properly funding watchdog agencies like the EPA, FDA or USDA

9) Under the Pres. Ego's administration the FDA has turned its scrutiny inward to investigate FDA scientists who challenged FDA approval of medical devices

10) Prosecution of whistleblowers rather than support

11) Federal crackdown on medical marijuana facilities contrary to state law and doctor's and scientist's recommendations

12) Extrajudicial assassinations now including American citizens

13) Continued use of a "state of war", when in fact no war has been declared, to justify actions ranging from pre-emptive wars to drone strikes and targeted assassinations

14) Pres. Ego proclaimed that courts were not needed to determine which Americans should be targeted for assassination, and that the administration itself could provide "due process"

15) Continued and expanded use of civilian contractors (oh no, that most unholy of unholy terms got used again) and CIA personnel to perform military activities including drone strikes

16) No attempt at even the most basic, gun control laws, for example limiting the size of ammo clips or closing the gun show loophole (I'm so glad he never went here!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

17) Candidate Ego promised a transparent administration open to scrutiny, but has instead been highly secretive about his meetings with lobbyists and corporations, while simultaneously waging war on whistleblowers

18) The White House was staffed with people from Wall Street. Tim Geithner, one of those involved in the financial collapse, was appointed as Treasury Secretary. Rather than holding Wall Street accountable, President Ego has made those responsible for the financial collapse even more powerful, with substantial influence over his agenda

19) Rather than working for peace in the Middle East, President Ego has pursued expanded war across the entire region

20) No attempt to limit corporate campaign funding.

Did Bill bring those up? You still jumping up and down for Pres. Ego? The dude you defend is Bush-lite with a health care law that was only good for insurance companies.

[DLR Bridge]

Oh, you mean the drone strikes Rmoney approved the other night? At work and can't dissect your wonderful list but seriously, #3. Are you fucking kidding me?

[Nickdfresh]

The fact that this administration paraded Susan Rice around on the Sunday political shows (FIVE of them) after that Rose Garden speech to disavow the terrorist language is all the evidence one needs to figure out where Mr. Ego and his administration stood on that issue. Also, if you read the speech, Mr. Ego refers, in the third paragraph, to the terrorists as “killers” and the terrorist attack as an “outrageous and shocking attack” but never a terrorist attack. In the next paragraph, he refers to them as “senseless violence” and “brutal acts.” (not acts of terror).

The house of cards they built on the situations is starting to unravel. As the e-mails, and soon the testimony of the key players will show - Mr. Ego and his administration has got a bit of explaining to do.

Lastly does anyone not find the attempt to by Mr. Ego and his people to taint Muslims and even attempting to expand the baseless stereotype of the Muslim faith in America with the "it was a video that caused the attack" as offensive? I'd have thought all you good left wingers would have found that to be offensive.

What would you expect Susan Rice to exactly know and say? The attack just happened, there were in fact riots and protests over the film trailer including violent ones, and some terrorist douchebags placed the claims on their Facebook page. I mean really? Isn't it time to move on and find Ansar al-Sharia?

[Nickdfresh]

How is this "new info" when you two idiots, your idol Joe McCarThief, and every moron at FAUX Noize has been desperately spinning this pile of horseshit for weeks, trying to turn it into a "Iran helicopter crash 1979" thing.

Not like that was actually Carter's fault either, for that matter.


Oh Lord. It is a weird day. I'm agreeing with Ford. The crash wasn't President Carter's fault. It was poor planning.

Or it was poor execution, as there were severe deficiencies in the training of military chopper pilots overall, and no special ops air wing existed to match Delta, SEALS, Rangers, etc.--which is why Task Force 160 was created. And of course the services failed to coordinate their communications, SOP's, etc...

[DLR Bridge]

What would you expect Susan Rice to exactly know and say? The attack just happened, there were in fact riots and protests over the film trailer including violent ones, and some terrorist douchebags placed the claims on their Facebook page. I mean really? Isn't it time to move on and find Ansar al-Sharia?

And cease this great moment of schadenfreude? This is all guys like this have left to live for at the moment.

[Nickdfresh]

And the disgrace of the last four years doesn't seem to bother you. Pres. Ego has pursued the drastic escalation of the war in Afghanistan, despite the obvious impossibility of creating a stable, secure state there, is at best a major political blunder, and at worst an immoral waste of tens of thousands of human lives while also resulting in immense human suffering and costing untold billions in taxpayer dollars - money that could have been spent in this country. Pres. Ego's dramatic expansion of drone strikes, despite the fact that he knows that surgical killing from the skies is another impossible goal, may even constitute a war crime, especially considering that civilian contractors (crap I used the most unholy of terms there) are often involved in the exercise of this deadly force outside of declared combat zones.

Fuck it. I'll just type some of the negative Bush era polices continued or expanded under Mr. Ego's Administration:

1) Overall military spending is significantly up since President Bush left office

2) Bank bailouts with no strings attached continued unabated, with no accountability for past actions

3) Greatly expanded war in Afghanistan, threatening war with Iran and Syria

4) Greatly expanded the unmanned drone strikes in Africa and the Middle East and denial that any civilian casualties have occurred

5) Continued and expanded warrantless wiretapping at great taxpayer expense, and refusal to reveal how many citizens are being spied upon

6) Lack of Justice Dept. or other investigations into the financial collapse, foreclosure fraud, etc.

7) Continuation of indefinite detention without trial, now including American citizens after President Ego signed the NDAA into law

8) Expanded oil drilling in ecologically sensitive areas, support for more nuclear power plants, not supporting stricter drinking water standards, not properly funding watchdog agencies like the EPA, FDA or USDA

9) Under the Pres. Ego's administration the FDA has turned its scrutiny inward to investigate FDA scientists who challenged FDA approval of medical devices

10) Prosecution of whistleblowers rather than support

11) Federal crackdown on medical marijuana facilities contrary to state law and doctor's and scientist's recommendations

12) Extrajudicial assassinations now including American citizens

13) Continued use of a "state of war", when in fact no war has been declared, to justify actions ranging from pre-emptive wars to drone strikes and targeted assassinations

14) Pres. Ego proclaimed that courts were not needed to determine which Americans should be targeted for assassination, and that the administration itself could provide "due process"

15) Continued and expanded use of civilian contractors (oh no, that most unholy of unholy terms got used again) and CIA personnel to perform military activities including drone strikes

16) No attempt at even the most basic, gun control laws, for example limiting the size of ammo clips or closing the gun show loophole (I'm so glad he never went here!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

17) Candidate Ego promised a transparent administration open to scrutiny, but has instead been highly secretive about his meetings with lobbyists and corporations, while simultaneously waging war on whistleblowers

18) The White House was staffed with people from Wall Street. Tim Geithner, one of those involved in the financial collapse, was appointed as Treasury Secretary. Rather than holding Wall Street accountable, President Ego has made those responsible for the financial collapse even more powerful, with substantial influence over his agenda

19) Rather than working for peace in the Middle East, President Ego has pursued expanded war across the entire region

20) No attempt to limit corporate campaign funding.

Did Bill bring those up? You still jumping up and down for Pres. Ego? The dude you defend is Bush-lite with a health care law that was only good for insurance companies.


If you're going to cut and paste bullshit, please properly accredit and link it! Military spending is up, but occupation spending is way down, and you think Romney is going to fix any of this?

[baru911]

Or it was poor execution, as there were severe deficiencies in the training of military chopper pilots overall, and no special ops air wing existed to match Delta, SEALS, Rangers, etc.--which is why Task Force 160 was created. And of course the services failed to coordinate their communications, SOP's, etc...

Nick, they failed to provide an adequate plan and they didn't provide for "what if" or "what the fuck everything went to shit" situations. The planning that an ODA would do in a planning bay before going into the field is about 1000 times better than what was approved on that mission. Your building off the failures of the past to make the present better - lessons learned. An ODA attempts to provide for any and all contingencies. While planning for everything is not possible; broad concept planning done during in the planning bay does cover many of them. The time spent over the 3D model built in the bay gives your ODA the ability to react to events outside of your planning faster and with better solutions.

If you don't plan for "sand storms" and when you fail to provide for gas usage/consumption while in the field in that area of the world then you didn't follow the 6 P's of life. The outcome of that operation showed it.

[baru911]

Oh, you mean the drone strikes Rmoney approved the other night? At work and can't dissect your wonderful list but seriously, #3. Are you fucking kidding me?

Dude, I've been very constant about drone strikes. I don't care who approves them - they are a crap shoot. Also, killing people ends your ability to gather intelligence from them. Drone strikes should not be used as some solution not to put boots on the ground. We make mistakes and innocent people suffer and die. It tends to make other Countries mad at us. We have enough issues without adding to them by fuckin' up a drone strike and killing little tommy toddler.

On #3 maybe you need to look at simple facts:
Before 2006, there were about 10 to 20,000 US troops in Afghanistan. By the time Bush left office he ramped it up to 33,000 troops. By mid-2010, there were almost three times as many about 91,000 troops. Obama also boosted private contractors by about a quarter in Afghanistan. As of January 2011, there were 87,000 contractors (Oh no, I used that unholy term again....LMAO) in Afghanistan.

The Congressional Research Service showed the following breakdown on the cost per year in billions:
Afghanistan
FY 01 & 02 - $20.8
FY 03 - $14.7
FY 04 - $14.5
FY 06 - $20.0
FY 08 - $19.0
FY 09 - $39.2
FY 10 - $43.5
FY 11 - $59.5
FY 12 - $93.8
http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/natsec/RL33110.pdf

Looks to me like the war got a bit bigger. We are giving weapons to the opposition in Syria. Thus, we are involved. I have stated and will state again we should have pulled out of Afghanistan at the end of year 4. The USA is not good at nation building. We are very good at smashing things. We are the world's Hulk. Our goal was accomplished and we should have pulled out. Lastly, either we or Israel are going to shit hammer Iran in the very near future.

[Nickdfresh]

Nick, they failed to provide an adequate plan and they didn't provide for "what if" or "what the fuck everything went to shit" situations. The planning that an ODA would do in a planning bay before going into the field is about 1000 times better than what was approved on that mission. Your building off the failures of the past to make the present better - lessons learned. An ODA attempts to provide for any and all contingencies. While that is not possible broad concept planning done during that time in the bay does cover many of them. The time spent over the 3D model built in the bay gives your ODA the ability to react to events outside of your planning faster and with better solutions.

If you don't plan for "sand storms" and when you fail to provide for gas usage/consumption while in the field in that area of the world then you didn't follow the 6 P's of life. The outcome of that operation showed it.

Actually they did provide the "what if", the number of choppers was redundant. I don't recall the particulars, but more Sea Stallion choppers were brought in than needed, the mission was scrubbed due to mechanical failure in the hostile desert environment, then the crash happened as well as various complications like having to blow up an Iranian tanker truck and the holding a bus filled with Iranian pilgrims that happened to be coming by.

Secondly, the plan was extremely complex due to the nature of walking into an enemy capital and seizing a large area of it and then fleeing towards Turkey. I've read ex-Delta operators that said it was better that the plan was scrubbed as the likelihood of a bloody gun fight in downtown Tehran was high, and hundreds of civilians and many hostages would have been killed...

[Nickdfresh]

Dude, I've been very constant about drone strikes. I don't care who approves them - they are a crap shoot. Also, killing people ends your ability to gather intelligence from them. Drone strikes should not be used as some solution not to put boots on the ground. We make mistakes and innocent people suffer and die.

On #3 maybe you need to look at simple facts:
Before 2006, there were about 10 to 20,000 US troops in Afghanistan. By the time Bush left office he ramped it up to 33,000 troops. By mid-2010, there were almost three times as many about 91,000 troops. Obama also boosted private contractors by about a quarter in Afghanistan. As of January 2011, there were 87,000 contractors (Oh no, I used that unholy term again....LMAO) in Afghanistan.

The Congressional Research Service showed the following breakdown on the cost per year in billions:
Afghanistan
FY 01 & 02 - $20.8
FY 03 - $14.7
FY 04 - $14.5
FY 06 - $20.0
FY 08 - $19.0
FY 09 - $39.2
FY 10 - $43.5
FY 11 - $59.5
FY 12 - $93.8

So other than pissing and moaning about every possible criticism of the Obama Admin, what is your point? We should have pulled out of Afghanistan? Never gone there? Never leave? You're voting for Romney despite the fact he has stated he agrees with much of what Obama is doing and would have largely the same policies, if not much more militant?

This is why I think you're a dick. You never say what YOU believe, you just come here to argue without any real point and regurgitate other peoples' criticism because perhaps you're too dumb to articulate your own. You make BigBadBrian and MUSICMANN look credible in comparison, because at least they believe what they're saying to an extent...

[Seshmeister]

Or it was poor execution, as there were severe deficiencies in the training of military chopper pilots overall, and no special ops air wing existed to match Delta, SEALS, Rangers, etc.--which is why Task Force 160 was created. And of course the services failed to coordinate their communications, SOP's, etc...

I think US special forces just weren't very good back then.

[baru911]

So other than pissing and moaning about every possible criticism of the Obama Admin, what is your point? We should have pulled out of Afghanistan? Never gone there? Never leave? You're voting for Romney despite the fact he has stated he agrees with much of what Obama is doing and would have largely the same policies, if not much more militant?

This is why I think you're a dick. You never say what YOU believe, you just come here to argue without any real point and regurgitate other peoples' criticism because perhaps you're too dumb to articulate your own. You make BigBadBrian and MUSICMANN look credible in comparison, because at least they believe what they're saying to an extent...

Dude, you are a complete dumbass. The plan for Operation Eagle Claw was a complete FUCK UP. It was NOT complex where it needed to be and it is studied in the SF Community as an example of a complete and total failure. The utter and complete failure of it was the first building blocks of broad based planning and the planning rooms used today. You can spew forth all the crap you've read on WIKIPEDIA in your attempt to get people to think you have some sort of idea of what your talking about but it ain't working on me. You're a poser at best.

OK, for the forth time...........I'm not voting for Mitt. Sorry, never have supported him and won't be voting for him.


I hammer Pres. Ego because you guys follow him blindly. He or someone throws out a 5 second sound bite and you guys eat it up. When faced with facts you guys can't seem to respond with any type of credible argument. In post 187 I've laid out 20 things that there is ZERO separation between the guy you all seem to think is dumb and President Ego. There isn't a fucking difference between them except one works for one party believes abortion is OK and the other party believes that abortion is not OK. No matter which man sits in the oval office the same agenda keeps moving forward. That's what I believe. If Mitt is elected I'm sure I'll be hammering his ass when he does things I don't like.

I find it funny how you didn't attempt to show your guy is any different than the other guy in any of those examples. The truth of the matter is - YOU CAN"T.

I also believe this:
All of us are going to have to pay more in taxes and take less in benefits from the Federal Government for this Country to survive. That's the poorest of the poor and the richest of the rich.
I believe the Singapore Governmental model is excellent and we should follow how they provide welfare and public housing. Our model should be a mirror image of theirs.
I have pointed both those out several times.

Nick, mostly you type shit from some source on the internet that you "read". You appear to have never experienced anything nor lived life. I pity you - I really do.

[Nickdfresh]

I think US special forces just weren't very good back then.

Not true man-for-man, but organizationally perhaps. Remember, a lot of senior members had significant amount of operational experience from Vietnam and these guys did know what they were doing. One of the main problems is that there wasn't a lot of institutional respect for special operations "Sneaky Petes" and "Snake Eaters" in the regular Pentagon brass structure, going back even to WWII. A lot of what happened after Vietnam at Ft. Bragg, NC (home of the Green Berets) involving drug use and adrenaline junkyism didn't reassure them nor make much of the case for commandos, so they were largely marginalized in the 1970s. Even Gen. Schwarzkopf said something to the effect that prior to his attitudes changing during the Gulf War, he thought that Special Forces Green Berets were arrogant rogues and basically ate steak and drank cold beer in mountain base camps while he and his "poor bloody (regular) infantry" had to trudge through rice paddies eating cold C-rats and do the 'real' dirty work. It wasn't until the 1980s that significant support elements were built up such as special aviation to support special operations and they were unified under one command. The Desert One/Eagle Claw fiasco actually turned out to be a sort of blessing in that it was a mistake everyone learned a great deal from...

[Nickdfresh]

Dude, you are a complete dumbass. The plan for Operation Eagle Claw was a complete FUCK UP. It was NOT complex where it needed to be and it is studied in the SF Community as an example of a complete and total failure. The utter and complete failure of it was the first building blocks of broad based planning and the planning rooms used today. You can spew forth all the crap you've read on WIKIPEDIA in your attempt to get people to think you have some sort of idea of what your talking about but it ain't working on me. You're a poser at best.

Plagiarist douchebag troll says what? Which books have you read on Eagle Claw? I'm a "poser"? Um, where did you serve again? You wouldn't know SF from S&M! This from a guy that claimed to have inside information on the backgrounds of Petreus and McCyrstal when it's pretty apparent you're a fuckwit making it up as he goes along. And not only have I read Wiki, I've contributed to it...

Go ahead, tell us how the "plan was a failure" specifically? Maybe you can cut and paste something? They never even got to execute the plan, dummy...


OK, for the forth time...........I'm not voting for Mitt. Sorry, never have supported him and won't be voting for him.

But you're still an extreme rightest who fundamentally agrees with the extreme rightest tenets of the party. You're "not fooling anyone either" fuckwit. If you don't like Romney, they why sit here and post every single fucking nitpick anti-Obama list you can find? Because you're full of shit!


I hammer Pres. Ego because you guys follow him blindly. He or someone throws out a 5 second sound bite and you guys eat it up. When faced with facts you guys can't seem to respond with any type of credible argument. In post 187 I've laid out 20 things that there is ZERO separation between the guy you all seem to think is dumb and President Ego. There isn't a fucking difference between them except one works for one party believes abortion is OK and the other party believes that abortion is not OK. No matter which man sits in the oval office the same agenda keeps moving forward. That's what I believe. If Mitt is elected I'm sure I'll be hammering his ass when he does things I don't like.

No you won't, you're a fucking fake troll playing the moderate card when it's pretty clear you supported Bush his entire eight years and I suspect you've posted here before under another ID...


I find it funny how you didn't attempt to show your guy is any different than the other guy in any of those examples. The truth of the matter is - YOU CAN"T.

Because I shouldn't have to explain them to an ignorant clueless fuckwit like you who obviously didn't ever bother watching the debate(s) where several differences were already spelled out, specifically ones regarding "the list" you posted. But maybe you can go to your teabagger rally and complain about how Romney is just another RHINO?


I also believe this:
All of us are going to have to pay more in taxes and take less in benefits from the Federal Government for this Country to survive. That's the poorest of the poor and the richest of the rich.
I believe the Singapore Governmental model is excellent and we should follow how they provide welfare and public housing. Our model should be a mirror image of theirs.
I have pointed both those out several times.

It's been pointed out here that Singapore is a nicely manicured authoritarian shithole where a large number of citizens emigrate. Try again. How about actually using a country list where the people are the happiest like Norway?


Nick, mostly you type shit from some source on the internet that you "read". You appear to have never experienced anything nor lived life. I pity you - I really do.

Oh, my internet handlers are really going to be upset with this! LOL How do I "appear" shithead? Go back to your bloated wife and pointless existence and fuckoff...

[baru911]

Plagiarist douchebag troll says what? Which books have you read on Eagle Claw? I'm a "poser"? Um, where did you serve again? You wouldn't know SF from S&M! This from a guy that claimed to have inside information on the backgrounds of Petreus and McCyrstal when it's pretty apparent you're a fuckwit making it up as he goes along. And not only have I read Wiki, I've contributed to it...Wow, you mean you actual posted on a platform that states this about whom is allowed to edit articles on its web-site? “You do not have to log in even to edit articles on Wikipedia. Just about anyone can edit almost any article at any given time, even without logging in.” Guess your helpful postings explains why many of the pages and facts found on it are inaccurate.


Go ahead, tell us how the "plan was a failure" specifically? Maybe you can cut and paste something? They never even got to execute the plan, dummy...

Hey Nick how about this flaw in your fucking logic and your worthless point. The starting point of a mock-up/broad based plan is how you get there and by what means. So, they failed to execute the plan from it's starting point. It was fubar'ed from the start as they never got to their objective. Christ, could you show your ass anymore about how much you don't know?




No you won't, you're a fucking fake troll playing the moderate card when it's pretty clear you supported Bush his entire eight years and I suspect you've posted here before under another ID...
Sure, all the time. 100's of other ID's. All to fuck with Nick.




It's been pointed out here that Singapore is a nicely manicured authoritarian shithole where a large number of citizens emigrate. Try again. How about actually using a country list where the people are the happiest like Norway?
Dude, I was based out of Singapore for several years. Meaning I lived it. I didn’t read about it or post about it on WIKI. You are such the man! Once again making my points for me. POSER!

BTW, when you use “authoritarian shithole” did you mean they actually enforce their laws. Oh no! What a fuckin’ horrible place that must be. (Those laws are very similar to US laws.) You’re right 3rd world places like Mexico are so much better. You can bribe officials, run guns, kill your neighbor, and get into drug running if you have the cash. Pure paradise. Fuck the poor people! Viva la Mexico!

Most citizens who leave Singapore do so because of the high cost of living when compared to countries Australia. Big deal. Singapore from 2007 until 2012, had a GDP Growth Rate that averaged 5.54. The United States during that same period had a GDP Growth Rate that averaged 3.25. Their economy is much better than ours and has been for years.


Oh, my internet handlers are really going to be upset with this! LOL How do I "appear" shithead? Go back to your bloated wife and pointless existence and fuckoff...

Handlers? I was talking about all the “GROUP THINK Bizarro World” follows you have in here. Little Nicky gets upset when someone challenges him. Nobody else does and he gets to spew forth all his stinky liberal crap without a challenge. You gonna tell mommy to save you? Dude, I’ve seen your type before….You’re a poser and a quitter. Nothing lower on this earth.

BTW, my wife is pretty hot.

[Nickdfresh]

Wow, you mean you actual posted on a platform that states this about whom is allowed to edit articles on its web-site? “You do not have to log in even to edit articles on Wikipedia. Just about anyone can edit almost any article at any given time, even without logging in.” Guess your helpful postings explains why many of the pages and facts found on it are inaccurate.

And the articles are quickly changed back as Wiki now as an army of bots that send out alerts for large scale changes. But don't worry, you're not smart enough to worry about posting anything on Wiki, you have to know what the fuck you were talking about...



Hey Nick how about this flaw in your fucking logic and your worthless point. The starting point of a mock-up/broad based plan is how you get there and by what means. So, they failed to execute the plan from it's starting point. It was fubar'ed from the start as they never got to their objective. Christ, could you show your ass anymore about how much you don't know?

Wow, another hollow and vapid cliche response. Maybe you should read the Wiki page?



Sure, all the time. 100's of other ID's. All to fuck with Nick.

Well, it would give your life meaning....


Dude, I was based out of Singapore for several years. Meaning I lived it. I didn’t read about it or post about it on WIKI. You are such the man! Once again making my points for me. POSER!

LOL Oh, internet guy is an expert on Singapore. What did you do in Singapore? Write poorly and misspell basic words? Rampantly cut and paste others' blogs? Okay, you got me expert, you're a geopolitical whiz on all things Singapore. Maybe you should talk about that then?


BTW, when you use “authoritarian shithole” did you mean they actually enforce their laws. Oh no! What a fuckin’ horrible place that must be. (Those laws are very similar to US laws.) You’re right 3rd world places like Mexico are so much better. You can bribe officials, run guns, kill your neighbor, and get into drug running if you have the cash. Pure paradise. Fuck the poor people! Viva la Mexico!

When did I say anything about Mexico, dipshit?


Most citizens who leave Singapore do so because of the high cost of living when compared to countries Australia. Big deal. Singapore from 2007 until 2012, had a GDP Growth Rate that averaged 5.54. The United States during that same period had a GDP Growth Rate that averaged 3.25. Their economy is much better than ours and has been for years.

Or maybe its a shithole? Norway and other nations have huge costs of living, yet few flee. You mean a small island nation has a "better economy" that ours? So go back there! Why did you come home? To reform America over the internet by sharing your wisdom cut and pasted from others?


Handlers? I was talking about all the “GROUP THINK Bizarro World” follows you have in here. Little Nicky gets upset when someone challenges him.

I get upset? Dude, your panties overrun anytime I call out your basic stupidity on virtually every post you've made regarding anything related to the war or the military. You're a clueless jackoff ironically "calling me out" as a fake? Riiiigggghhtttt...
LOL


Nobody else does and he gets to spew forth all his stinky liberal crap without a challenge.

LMFAO!! So, I was right, your just another teabag jagoff spouting the same unhelpful cliches, you've nothing to offer...


You gonna tell mommy to save you?

Um, WTF are you talking about?


Dude, I’ve seen your type before….You’re a poser and a quitter. Nothing lower on this earth.

BTW, my wife is pretty hot.

Yeah, I sure she's bangin'! I remember that when I hook up with a 22 year old bartender hired for her looks. LOL I'm a "poser" and a "quitter?" Good one, dummy...

[baru911]

Or maybe its a shithole? Norway and other nations have huge costs of living, yet few flee. You mean a small island nation has a "better economy" that ours? So go back there!

Singapore is a shithole? LMAO. It is one of the most modern cities in the world. It has a crime rate that is one of the lowest in the world. It is a place where the major religions and cultures live together and never experience issues. It is a melting pot that works.

Norway? Let’s see the great country of Norway. In education of the world they rank 19 in science and 15 in math. The ranking of the country is due to the SHORTAGE of teachers. Why do they have a shortage of teachers in this GREAT utopia you keep pointing to? Because they pay them just over the poverty level to teach their children. Lets see what else? They have huge waiting list for children’s activities in their cities. Why? They don’t spend money to build the infrastructure for them to host them, i.e., rec. centers. Norway had a mass shooting that killed 77 people. Most of them kids. How long was the sentence the great judicial system of Norway handed out? 21 years. 21 years to a political terrorist who killed 77 people. His sentence works out to a little over 99 days for each adult and teenager he killed. Sure, Nick you can try and point out that if he is still a danger to society they can hold him longer but in a good socialistic utopia like Norway we both know that won’t happen. Anyone else starting to get an idea of how much value they place on their kids and how they protect them in Norway?

People don’t leave there because of all socialistic “free programs” they have there. Why leave a place that work isn’t required after you hold a job for a year? The Government will take care of you. For a slacker with the core values you type about in here it must seem like utopia. Nick could spend all his time updating WIKIPEDIA then. Fuckin’ A right!


…..Write poorly and misspell basic words?
This point comes from a guy who then writes this in the same post….”Yeah, I sure she's bangin'!” It should have been written as:

Yeah, "I’m" sure she’s bangin’!

Nick, when trying to make a point you shouldn’t be making the same mistake you’re pointing out. What a fuckin’ POSER!


…..And the articles are quickly changed back as Wiki now as an army of bots that send out alerts for large scale changes.

Oh, another grammatical issue….it should have been written as large-scale.

You defend WIKIPEDIA? ROFLMAO! Ask a college professor if you should use WIKIPEDIA as a source on any paper you write. He’ll laugh you right out of the room.

You are truly too stupid to even understand how dumb the point you attempted to make was. Oh, they have an army of bots and send out large-scale alerts? Hey Nick, you hear that? It’s the WIKI alert calling. Do they send out those alerts on your bat phone or the Agent 99 shoe phone you have in your mom's basement where you live?

Christ, it’s like having a discussion with a 1st grader. You are a mental midget and make the point without me having to do anything.

[envy_me]

(Just want to point out – you used the word “its” in your post above. The correct usage is “it’s” since you want start down the road of pointing out grammatical issues in a post.)

Singapore is a shithole? LMAO. It is one of the most modern cities in the world. It has a crime rate that is one of the lowest in the world. It is a place where the major religions and cultures live together and never experience issues. It is a melting pot that works.

Norway? Let’s see the great country of Norway. In education of the world they rank 19 in science and 15 in math. The ranking of the country is due to the SHORTAGE of teachers. Why do they have a shortage of teachers in this GREAT utopia you keep pointing to? Because they pay them just over the poverty level to teach their children. Lets see what else? They have huge waiting list for children’s activities in their cities. Why? They don’t spend money to build the infrastructure for them to host them, i.e., rec. centers. Norway had a mass shooting that killed 77 people. Most of them kids. How long was the sentence the great judicial system of Norway hand out? 21 years. 21 years to a political terrorist who killed 77 people. His sentence works out to a little over 99 days for each adult and teenager he killed. Sure, Nick you can try and point out that if he is still a danger to society they can hold him longer but in a good socialistic utopia like Norway we both know that won’t happen. Anyone else starting to get an idea of how much value they place on their kids and how they protect them in Norway?

People don’t leave there because of all socialistic “free programs” they have there. Why leave a place that work isn’t required after you hold a job for a year? The Government will take care of you. For a slacker with the core values you type about in here it must seem like utopia. Nick could spend all his time updating WIKIPEDIA then. Fuckin’ A right!


This point comes from a guy who then writes this in the same post….”Yeah, I sure she's bangin'!” It should have been written as:

Yeah, I’m sure she’s bangin’!

Nick, when trying to make a point you shouldn’t be making the same mistake you’re pointing out. What a fuckin’ POSER!


Norway is ranking number 15 in math/science? I have no idea if that is true, but that is pretty damn good considering that there are only 5 million people living in the country.

Same with sports, the higher the population the more talents will be born.

[Seshmeister]

Norway? Let’s see the great country of Norway. In education of the world they rank 19 in science and 15 in math. The ranking of the country is due to the SHORTAGE of teachers. Why do they have a shortage of teachers in this GREAT utopia you keep pointing to? Because they pay them just over the poverty level to teach their children. Lets see what else? They have huge waiting list for children’s activities in their cities. Why? They don’t spend money to build the infrastructure for them to host them, i.e., rec. centers. Norway had a mass shooting that killed 77 people. Most of them kids. How long was the sentence the great judicial system of Norway handed out? 21 years. 21 years to a political terrorist who killed 77 people. His sentence works out to a little over 99 days for each adult and teenager he killed. Sure, Nick you can try and point out that if he is still a danger to society they can hold him longer but in a good socialistic utopia like Norway we both know that won’t happen. Anyone else starting to get an idea of how much value they place on their kids and how they protect them in Norway?




Like most people I haven't been reading your argument but that jumped out at me. Teachers in Norway live in poverty? No one in Norway lives in poverty.

http://mylittlenorway.com/2011/06/how-much-do-people-earn-in-norway/

You can't compare yourselves to Norway which is a small fairly socialist country sitting on a vat of oil.

Teachers are perhaps a little underpaid but only compared to other people, they earn on average about $60k with free healthcare and everything else.

You're correct about the maximum sentence of 21 years in Norway, it's nuts to us but a cultural thing.

Still better than locking up half your population in a meaningless drugs 'war' though...

[Nickdfresh]

Singapore is a shithole? LMAO. It is one of the most modern cities in the world. It has a crime rate that is one of the lowest in the world. It is a place where the major religions and cultures live together and never experience issues. It is a melting pot that works.

And then why did you leave?


Norway? Let’s see the great country of Norway. In education of the world they rank 19 in science and 15 in math. The ranking of the country is due to the SHORTAGE of teachers. Why do they have a shortage of teachers in this GREAT utopia you keep pointing to? Because they pay them just over the poverty level to teach their children. Lets see what else? They have huge waiting list for children’s activities in their cities. Why? They don’t spend money to build the infrastructure for them to host them, i.e., rec. centers. Norway had a mass shooting that killed 77 people. Most of them kids. How long was the sentence the great judicial system of Norway handed out? 21 years. 21 years to a political terrorist who killed 77 people. His sentence works out to a little over 99 days for each adult and teenager he killed. Sure, Nick you can try and point out that if he is still a danger to society they can hold him longer but in a good socialistic utopia like Norway we both know that won’t happen. Anyone else starting to get an idea of how much value they place on their kids and how they protect them in Norway?

Really? You spent all night researching Norway? Firstly, education statistics are often complete bullshit since a lot of countries, especially the ones in Asia, skew their testing and only test the top percentile of their kids in elite schools and present that as the norm. I suspect that's the case in Norway. But good job again presenting no citations and you may probably just be pulling this out of your ass. Norway isn't socialist, technically, and you just said that you support high taxation and the government providing for the poor. So, you sound sort of retarded when you bitch about liberals and "socialism." Dolt!

As far as the tragic terrorist murderer cunt, what else would you do with him? Will executing him bring back the 77 he murdered? Will executing him prevent mass shootings like the death penalty does in the U.S.? Caning his ass like some third world pseudo-state facing over population and a very uncertain future in the advance of China?

BTW, you're far more likely to be murdered in SC by terrorists or criminals in a mass shooting than you are in Norway, largely due to policies you mindlessly support...


People don’t leave there because of all socialistic “free programs” they have there. Why leave a place that work isn’t required after you hold a job for a year? The Government will take care of you. For a slacker with the core values you type about in here it must seem like utopia. Nick could spend all his time updating WIKIPEDIA then. Fuckin’ A right!

"People don't leave" Norway because of the awesome "socialistic" (says idiot that doesn't even know what actual socialism is) state help, yet Singapore supposedly also offers cradle-to-grave housing and gov't entitlement support to its underclass, yet a lot of people seem to leave there! Brilliant argument you're making! Keep going! :)

You just said you support high taxes and the gov't providing shelter for the poor, but now post the typical mindless Teabag drivel? Idiot!

You're going to slag on Wiki after doing some jerked off research on Norway as if it is the lynchpin of my argument? Did you read Wiki on Norway? I (sometimes) use Wiki, and you use your (unlubed) asshole to get "facts." I guess we're even.. :thumb:


This point comes from a guy who then writes this in the same post….”Yeah, I sure she's bangin'!” It should have been written as:

Yeah, "I’m" sure she’s bangin’! Nick, when trying to make a point you shouldn’t be making the same mistake you’re pointing out. What a fuckin’ POSER!

I'll compare my mistakes and misspellings to yours anytime, jerkoff. You act as if you're some sort of worldly internet expert, but you write like you barely graduated high school. And I'm a "poser" for presenting my opinion and owning you? Why would I be anymore of a "poser" than you?



Oh, another grammatical issue….it should have been written as large-scale.

WTF does that mean? Large scale? Moron.


You defend WIKIPEDIA? ROFLMAO! Ask a college professor if you should use WIKIPEDIA as a source on any paper you write. He’ll laugh you right out of the room.

We're not writing a college papers, dunce. You fail based on plagiarism and lack of citation if we were. And a lot of college professors will tell you to use Wiki to find primary sources listed in the bibliography, which is hugely valuable. You know, like the books you never read on subjects you comment on the internet on? Incidentally, I've read no less than five books on Delta and that mention Eagle Claw directly... Douche!


You are truly too stupid to even understand how dumb the point you attempted to make was. Oh, they have an army of bots and send out large-scale alerts? Hey Nick, you hear that? It’s the WIKI alert calling. Do they send out those alerts on your bat phone or the Agent 99 shoe phone you have in your mom's basement where you live?

No dicklick, the point is you can't just change Wiki anymore, and I don't work for them:


Meet the 'bots' that edit Wikipedia
By Daniel Nasaw
Wikipedia is written and maintained by tens of thousands of volunteers across the world. Those, in turn, are assisted by hundreds of "bots" - autonomous computer programmes that keep the encyclopaedia running.

"Penis is the male sex organ," the Wikipedia page in question read.

While that statement is undeniably true and thus may merit inclusion in Wikipedia, it belongs nowhere in the site's article on national supreme courts and their legal roles.

When an anonymous Wikipedia reader in South Carolina offered that contribution to the globally popular online encyclopaedia last week, it took just seconds for the blemish to be discovered and deleted.

The vandalism was caught not by a reader, but by a simple artificial intelligence programme called a bot - short for robot.
...

The rest at BBC (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-18892510)

See, retards from South Carolina can't just make up facts and post it on Wiki, for long. :)


Christ, it’s like having a discussion with a 1st grader.

You're right, I shouldn't bother with you, but thoughts of your hot wife give me wood...


You are a mental midget and make the point without me having to do anything.

You don't do anything alright...

[vandeleur]

The maximum sentence in norway is 21 years , but its meaningless in a way because as commentators said of the brevik case they can keep passing this sentence out indefinatley so a life sentence or repeated sentences of 21 years is is still life.

[Nickdfresh]

Norway is ranking number 15 in math/science? I have no idea if that is true, but that is pretty damn good considering that there are only 5 million people living in the country.

Same with sports, the higher the population the more talents will be born.


I'm pretty sure he doesn't really know if it's true either... :)

[MUSICMANN]

Obama and his whole administration should be ashamed. It was one thing back on 9-11 when Bush was in office for only 8 months and had very undetailed Intel that Al Qaeda wanted to attack America. He didn't know when or where and it was thought they wanted to use some sort of aircraft or plane, but nothing concrete.

On this 9-11, to have the President and his top people in the situation room, looking at the attack in real time and now knowing that we had troops and such that could have intervened and ultimately saved the lives that were lost and Obama did nothing for the whole 7 or 8 hrs it took place, is worth Impeachment to the highest degree. Hell, any President in this situation deserves Impeachment and to be thrown out of the White House for this lack of incompetence and major cover up and flat out lying to the American people.

Dick Morris sums it up best.
http://www.dickmorris.com/libya-will-haunt-obama-dick-morris-tv-lunch-alert/

[FORD]

Now you're quoting a douchebag who pays hookers to suck their toes??

[Nitro Express]

I'm going back to Singapore in a month. I love the place. Norway was great because they wouldn't let me pay for my own dental work there. The Norwegian tax payer did but then I paid enough taxes on food there to probably cover the dental work. The only thing that keeps Norway going is they have oil. They are aging and muslims are moving in to get on the welfare and the politicians want it. It will be a mess in the future as much of Europe will be due to an aging population. Scandinavia is boring. I can see why my ancestors left it.

[FORD]

Norway is a "socialist" country with oil? Uh-oh.... that puts them directly on the PNAC target list, if Mittens steals the election.

[envy_me]

I'm pretty sure he doesn't really know if it's true either... :)

I also suspect that he is just guessing/talking shit.

[envy_me]

I'm going back to Singapore in a month. I love the place. Norway was great because they wouldn't let me pay for my own dental work there. The Norwegian tax payer did but then I paid enough taxes on food there to probably cover the dental work. The only thing that keeps Norway going is they have oil. They are aging and muslims are moving in to get on the welfare and the politicians want it. It will be a mess in the future as much of Europe will be due to an aging population. Scandinavia is boring. I can see why my ancestors left it.

What is so great about Singapore?
I have never gotten a good impression of Asia, it's just not for me.

[MUSICMANN]

Now you're quoting a douchebag who pays hookers to suck their toes??

I didn't quote him, but i do believe he has the right take on this issue. Obama has fucked up and not only his failure with the economy and now this will cost him his re-election bid. It will also damage Clinton's reputation beyond repair and she will never be trusted again, especially if she tries to run in 2016. Anyone that can not feel so sorry for those families that lost their love ones, and now finding out, that Obama and his people where watching this in real time and getting emails from those that are responsible for it and the administration not sending in a quick response team or whatever to help those guys, are fucking pathetic. Like i said, if any President was in this situation and dropped the ball and tried to cover it up and purposely lie to the American people, should be impeached. Ford, before you even say it, yes i believed it was totally wrong for Bush to get us into a conflict with Iraq. I understood with 9-11, because he was only in office for a very short time and the Intel was not very good nor concrete. This 9-11 is so wrong and you know it.

[BigBadBrian]

Now you're quoting a douchebag who pays hookers to suck their toes??

Everybody has their kink, i guess. Yours is homosexuality. :gulp:

[BigBadBrian]

Obama sat on his ass while this entire thing was happening!!! Obama is a treasonous fuck!!!

[FORD]

Are you on Joe McCarthief's payroll.

If so, he's wasting money..... just like he did when he tried to buy his way into the California governors mansion with that stupid recall, and cried when Enron decided they wanted the steroid addled son of the concentration camp guard in the office instead, because he could get them off the hook for ripping off the West Coast with fake blackouts.

[FORD]

Everybody has their kink, i guess. Yours is homosexuality. :gulp:

Funny that the only one who seems focused on homosexuality around here is YOU :turninggay:

[BigBadBrian]

Are you on Joe McCarthief's payroll.

If so, he's wasting money..... just like he did when he tried to buy his way into the California governors mansion with that stupid recall, and cried when Enron decided they wanted the steroid addled son of the concentration camp in the office instead, because he could get them off the hook for ripping off the West Coast with fake blackouts.

FORD, take your meds. You're babbling again.

[Nitro Express]

What is so great about Singapore?
I have never gotten a good impression of Asia, it's just not for me.

Singapore is a big Asian mixing pot and it's spotlessly clean. It's an Asian Switzerland. It's a key financial and trading hub and the people are smart and not scared to work. I'm probably going to take a job over there. On the cultural side every asian culture and cuisine are represented there. So if you wanted to experience Asia and had limited money, Singapore would be a good place to go plus they speak English. Asia is where the action is going to be this century. I just want to take a break from all the nonsense going on here. The US has become a war economy and it doesn't matter who wins this election the war industry will start more wars. The bankers make money but the average citizen gets screwed and it's pretty clear neither the Republican and Democrat parties care about the average citizen. They only care about the banking and corporate elite. That's not long-term sustainable and there is no constitution anymore to save you from the government. I just see a future of civil unrest and blaming and not much of a turn around. I mean I fly into Singapore into a state of the art airport and nobody is hassling me and I come home and there is the TSA with their rubber gloves on and the airport has gone to shit and I see everyone arguing over partisan bullshit and not real issues like a bunch of spoiled children. If anything, they behave like adults more in Asia and I like that.

[Nickdfresh]

Obama sat on his ass while this entire thing was happening!!! Obama is a treasonous fuck!!!

Ronald Reagan is a treasonous fuck! He sat on his ass while over 300 Marines died and our Embassy was bombed in Lebanon! (irony) You're a retard, Brian (not irony)...

[FORD]

The babbling is coming from you and the other two idiots who keep recycling the latest FAUX/Issa witch hunt talking points.....

And being a Rush fan, I'm sure you know what they say about witch hunts....

Quick to judge
Quick to anger
Slow to understand
Ignorance and prejudice
And fear walk hand in hand...

[Nickdfresh]

CAIRO (Reuters) - A Libyan militant suspected by Egypt of involvement in last month's attack on the U.S. consulate in Libya has been killed during a raid by Egyptian security forces in Cairo, a security official said on Thursday.

The Libyan was killed on Wednesday in a raid targeting him and other militants with suspected links to al Qaeda in Cairo's eastern district of Nasr City, the official said. Four Egyptian militants were detained in the operation, he added.

The Libyan, identified as Karim Ahmed Essam el-Azizi, was killed by a bomb he had tried to use against the security forces during the raid, the security official said.

It was not immediately clear what role Azizi had played in the assault on the U.S. consulate in the eastern Libyan city of Benghazi on September 11, in which the ambassador, Chris Stevens, and three other Americans were killed.

The security official, who asked not to be named, said Azizi had been living in a rented apartment in Nasr City for the past three months. He said police had found 15 bombs and various weapons, including assault rifles, in the Libyan's flat.
...

The Rest at Yahoo (http://news.yahoo.com/libyan-suspect-u-envoy-attack-killed-cairo-130308023.html)

[Nickdfresh]

FORD, take your meds. You're babbling again.

He's babbling? Jesus, you need to take less meds, in the ass as in steroids or something...

[PETE'S BROTHER]

http://www.google.com/imgres?hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=188&sa=X&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&biw=1440&bih=728&tbm=isch&prmd=imvns&tbnid=Gh9FpZGbwAgPKM:&imgrefurl=http://static.stomp.com.sg/stomp/sgseen/this_urban_jungle/351722/smelly_rubbish_bin_at_city_hall_overflows_with_tra sh.html&docid=bZ0-xW_RQkV_zM&imgurl=http://static.stomp.com.sg/site/servlet/linkableblob/stomp/351722/thumbnail/smelly_rubbish_bin_at_city_hall_overflows_with_tra sh-thumbnail.jpg&w=500&h=300&ei=CoqJUNyFIenqiwKrjIGwDA&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=1109&vpy=124&dur=3530&hovh=174&hovw=290&tx=85&ty=198&sig=102498455341051051505&page=1&tbnh=137&tbnw=209&start=0&ndsp=24&ved=1t:429,r:17,s:0,i:122

for nitro ;)

[Nickdfresh]

Obama and his whole administration should be ashamed. It was one thing back on 9-11 when Bush was in office for only 8 months and had very undetailed Intel that Al Qaeda wanted to attack America. He didn't know when or where and it was thought they wanted to use some sort of aircraft or plane, but nothing concrete.
...

LOL "Undetailed" information? How much more "detailed" was the information the Obama Admin received? Bush's Admin was informed in May of 2001 that al Qaida was attempting to attack airliners within the U.S. Even if you think this was handled poorly by the Admin, which is somewhat was even given the partisan exaggerations, how can you ever defend Bush?

The Deafness Before the Storm
By KURT EICHENWALD

IT was perhaps the most famous presidential briefing in history.

On Aug. 6, 2001, President George W. Bush received a classified review of the threats posed by Osama bin Laden and his terrorist network, Al Qaeda. That morning’s “presidential daily brief” — the top-secret document prepared by America’s intelligence agencies — featured the now-infamous heading: “Bin Laden Determined to Strike in U.S.” A few weeks later, on 9/11, Al Qaeda accomplished that goal.

On April 10, 2004, the Bush White House declassified that daily brief — and only that daily brief — in response to pressure from the 9/11 Commission, which was investigating the events leading to the attack. Administration officials dismissed the document’s significance, saying that, despite the jaw-dropping headline, it was only an assessment of Al Qaeda’s history, not a warning of the impending attack. While some critics considered that claim absurd, a close reading of the brief showed that the argument had some validity.

That is, unless it was read in conjunction with the daily briefs preceding Aug. 6, the ones the Bush administration would not release. While those documents are still not public, I have read excerpts from many of them, along with other recently declassified records, and come to an inescapable conclusion: the administration’s reaction to what Mr. Bush was told in the weeks before that infamous briefing reflected significantly more negligence than has been disclosed. In other words, the Aug. 6 document, for all of the controversy it provoked, is not nearly as shocking as the briefs that came before it.

The direct warnings to Mr. Bush about the possibility of a Qaeda attack began in the spring of 2001. By May 1, the Central Intelligence Agency told the White House of a report that “a group presently in the United States” was planning a terrorist operation. Weeks later, on June 22, the daily brief reported that Qaeda strikes could be “imminent,” although intelligence suggested the time frame was flexible.

But some in the administration considered the warning to be just bluster. An intelligence official and a member of the Bush administration both told me in interviews that the neoconservative leaders who had recently assumed power at the Pentagon were warning the White House that the C.I.A. had been fooled; according to this theory, Bin Laden was merely pretending to be planning an attack to distract the administration from Saddam Hussein, whom the neoconservatives saw as a greater threat. Intelligence officials, these sources said, protested that the idea of Bin Laden, an Islamic fundamentalist, conspiring with Mr. Hussein, an Iraqi secularist, was ridiculous, but the neoconservatives’ suspicions were nevertheless carrying the day.

In response, the C.I.A. prepared an analysis that all but pleaded with the White House to accept that the danger from Bin Laden was real.

“The U.S. is not the target of a disinformation campaign by Usama Bin Laden,” the daily brief of June 29 read, using the government’s transliteration of Bin Laden’s first name. Going on for more than a page, the document recited much of the evidence, including an interview that month with a Middle Eastern journalist in which Bin Laden aides warned of a coming attack, as well as competitive pressures that the terrorist leader was feeling, given the number of Islamists being recruited for the separatist Russian region of Chechnya.

And the C.I.A. repeated the warnings in the briefs that followed. Operatives connected to Bin Laden, one reported on June 29, expected the planned near-term attacks to have “dramatic consequences,” including major casualties. On July 1, the brief stated that the operation had been delayed, but “will occur soon.” Some of the briefs again reminded Mr. Bush that the attack timing was flexible, and that, despite any perceived delay, the planned assault was on track.

Yet, the White House failed to take significant action. Officials at the Counterterrorism Center of the C.I.A. grew apoplectic. On July 9, at a meeting of the counterterrorism group, one official suggested that the staff put in for a transfer so that somebody else would be responsible when the attack took place, two people who were there told me in interviews. The suggestion was batted down, they said, because there would be no time to train anyone else.

That same day in Chechnya, according to intelligence I reviewed, Ibn Al-Khattab, an extremist who was known for his brutality and his links to Al Qaeda, told his followers that there would soon be very big news. Within 48 hours, an intelligence official told me, that information was conveyed to the White House, providing more data supporting the C.I.A.’s warnings. Still, the alarm bells didn’t sound.

On July 24, Mr. Bush was notified that the attack was still being readied, but that it had been postponed, perhaps by a few months. But the president did not feel the briefings on potential attacks were sufficient, one intelligence official told me, and instead asked for a broader analysis on Al Qaeda, its aspirations and its history. In response, the C.I.A. set to work on the Aug. 6 brief.

In the aftermath of 9/11, Bush officials attempted to deflect criticism that they had ignored C.I.A. warnings by saying they had not been told when and where the attack would occur. That is true, as far as it goes, but it misses the point. Throughout that summer, there were events that might have exposed the plans, had the government been on high alert. Indeed, even as the Aug. 6 brief was being prepared, Mohamed al-Kahtani, a Saudi believed to have been assigned a role in the 9/11 attacks, was stopped at an airport in Orlando, Fla., by a suspicious customs agent and sent back overseas on Aug. 4. Two weeks later, another co-conspirator, Zacarias Moussaoui, was arrested on immigration charges in Minnesota after arousing suspicions at a flight school. But the dots were not connected, and Washington did not react.

Could the 9/11 attack have been stopped, had the Bush team reacted with urgency to the warnings contained in all of those daily briefs? We can’t ever know. And that may be the most agonizing reality of all.

Kurt Eichenwald, a contributing editor at Vanity Fair and a former reporter for The New York Times (http://www.rotharmy.com/forums/showthread.php?66382-U.S.-Ambassador-Killed-by-Terrorists-in-Libya&p=1703236&posted=1#post1703236), is the author of “500 Days: Secrets and Lies in the Terror Wars.”

[BigBadBrian]

He's babbling? Jesus, you need to take less meds, in the ass as in steroids or something...

Damn Nick, do you have to copy everyone's shit? Especially, that moron, conspiracy-theorist Elvis for God's sake. If you're going to copy a conspiracy-theorist, may I suggest FORD? He may babble at times but at least he's got some intelligence and common sense. Elvis...not so much.

[Nickdfresh]

Damn Nick, do you have to copy everyone's shit? Especially, that moron, conspiracy-theorist Elvis for God's sake. If you're going to copy a conspiracy-theorist, may I suggest FORD? He may babble at times but at least he's got some intelligence and common sense. Elvis...not so much.

Um, dude, there is something wrong with you if you really believe any of that shit! Accusing Obama of treason IS pretty much conspiracy shit...

[MUSICMANN]

CAIRO (Reuters) - A Libyan militant suspected by Egypt of involvement in last month's attack on the U.S. consulate in Libya has been killed during a raid by Egyptian security forces in Cairo, a security official said on Thursday.

The Libyan was killed on Wednesday in a raid targeting him and other militants with suspected links to al Qaeda in Cairo's eastern district of Nasr City, the official said. Four Egyptian militants were detained in the operation, he added.



The Libyan, identified as Karim Ahmed Essam el-Azizi, was killed by a bomb he had tried to use against the security forces during the raid, the security official said.

It was not immediately clear what role Azizi had played in the assault on the U.S. consulate in the eastern Libyan city of Benghazi on September 11, in which the ambassador, Chris Stevens, and three other Americans were killed.

The security official, who asked not to be named, said Azizi had been living in a rented apartment in Nasr City for the past three months. He said police had found 15 bombs and various weapons, including assault rifles, in the Libyan's flat.
...

The Rest at Yahoo (http://news.yahoo.com/libyan-suspect-u-envoy-attack-killed-cairo-130308023.html)


And what does this have to do with the absolute failure of Obama and not doing his duty of protecting the American people that he proclaims he does in every other sentence. Fact, He fucking watched the attack in real time for 7 or 8 hrs and sat on his hands and did nothing, knowing that we had troops within 500 miles of that embassy. He could have sent in a quick strike team and saved those guys. Opinion, sending in troops didn't go with his narrative that Bin Laden is Dead, and Al Qaeda is on the run. His motivation to not send help was purely political. His cover story about all this was caused by a dumb you tube video is one of the most offensive things i have ever seen. As for Reagan, he didn't have any Intel that the Marine base was gonna be attacked and that was way back before you could watch events in real time like today and there was no such thing as an email back then.

[Nickdfresh]

And what does this have to do with the absolute failure of Obama and not doing his duty of protecting the American people that he proclaims he does in every other sentence...

I don't know? What does your bizarre, partisan shit have to do with the thread I started on the Libyan attacks?

But the fact that one suspect is down and "scored a goal in his own net" is very related to this topic. Are you high?

[MUSICMANN]

LOL "Undetailed" information? How much more "detailed" was the information the Obama Admin received? Bush's Admin was informed in May of 2001 that al Qaida was attempting to attack airliners within the U.S. Even if you think this was handled poorly by the Admin, which is somewhat was even given the partisan exaggerations, how can you ever defend Bush?

The Deafness Before the Storm
By KURT EICHENWALD

IT was perhaps the most famous presidential briefing in history.

On Aug. 6, 2001, President George W. Bush received a classified review of the threats posed by Osama bin Laden and his terrorist network, Al Qaeda. That morning’s “presidential daily brief” — the top-secret document prepared by America’s intelligence agencies — featured the now-infamous heading: “Bin Laden Determined to Strike in U.S.” A few weeks later, on 9/11, Al Qaeda accomplished that goal.

On April 10, 2004, the Bush White House declassified that daily brief — and only that daily brief — in response to pressure from the 9/11 Commission, which was investigating the events leading to the attack. Administration officials dismissed the document’s significance, saying that, despite the jaw-dropping headline, it was only an assessment of Al Qaeda’s history, not a warning of the impending attack. While some critics considered that claim absurd, a close reading of the brief showed that the argument had some validity.

That is, unless it was read in conjunction with the daily briefs preceding Aug. 6, the ones the Bush administration would not release. While those documents are still not public, I have read excerpts from many of them, along with other recently declassified records, and come to an inescapable conclusion: the administration’s reaction to what Mr. Bush was told in the weeks before that infamous briefing reflected significantly more negligence than has been disclosed. In other words, the Aug. 6 document, for all of the controversy it provoked, is not nearly as shocking as the briefs that came before it.

The direct warnings to Mr. Bush about the possibility of a Qaeda attack began in the spring of 2001. By May 1, the Central Intelligence Agency told the White House of a report that “a group presently in the United States” was planning a terrorist operation. Weeks later, on June 22, the daily brief reported that Qaeda strikes could be “imminent,” although intelligence suggested the time frame was flexible.

But some in the administration considered the warning to be just bluster. An intelligence official and a member of the Bush administration both told me in interviews that the neoconservative leaders who had recently assumed power at the Pentagon were warning the White House that the C.I.A. had been fooled; according to this theory, Bin Laden was merely pretending to be planning an attack to distract the administration from Saddam Hussein, whom the neoconservatives saw as a greater threat. Intelligence officials, these sources said, protested that the idea of Bin Laden, an Islamic fundamentalist, conspiring with Mr. Hussein, an Iraqi secularist, was ridiculous, but the neoconservatives’ suspicions were nevertheless carrying the day.

In response, the C.I.A. prepared an analysis that all but pleaded with the White House to accept that the danger from Bin Laden was real.

“The U.S. is not the target of a disinformation campaign by Usama Bin Laden,” the daily brief of June 29 read, using the government’s transliteration of Bin Laden’s first name. Going on for more than a page, the document recited much of the evidence, including an interview that month with a Middle Eastern journalist in which Bin Laden aides warned of a coming attack, as well as competitive pressures that the terrorist leader was feeling, given the number of Islamists being recruited for the separatist Russian region of Chechnya.

And the C.I.A. repeated the warnings in the briefs that followed. Operatives connected to Bin Laden, one reported on June 29, expected the planned near-term attacks to have “dramatic consequences,” including major casualties. On July 1, the brief stated that the operation had been delayed, but “will occur soon.” Some of the briefs again reminded Mr. Bush that the attack timing was flexible, and that, despite any perceived delay, the planned assault was on track.

Yet, the White House failed to take significant action. Officials at the Counterterrorism Center of the C.I.A. grew apoplectic. On July 9, at a meeting of the counterterrorism group, one official suggested that the staff put in for a transfer so that somebody else would be responsible when the attack took place, two people who were there told me in interviews. The suggestion was batted down, they said, because there would be no time to train anyone else.

That same day in Chechnya, according to intelligence I reviewed, Ibn Al-Khattab, an extremist who was known for his brutality and his links to Al Qaeda, told his followers that there would soon be very big news. Within 48 hours, an intelligence official told me, that information was conveyed to the White House, providing more data supporting the C.I.A.’s warnings. Still, the alarm bells didn’t sound.

On July 24, Mr. Bush was notified that the attack was still being readied, but that it had been postponed, perhaps by a few months. But the president did not feel the briefings on potential attacks were sufficient, one intelligence official told me, and instead asked for a broader analysis on Al Qaeda, its aspirations and its history. In response, the C.I.A. set to work on the Aug. 6 brief.

In the aftermath of 9/11, Bush officials attempted to deflect criticism that they had ignored C.I.A. warnings by saying they had not been told when and where the attack would occur. That is true, as far as it goes, but it misses the point. Throughout that summer, there were events that might have exposed the plans, had the government been on high alert. Indeed, even as the Aug. 6 brief was being prepared, Mohamed al-Kahtani, a Saudi believed to have been assigned a role in the 9/11 attacks, was stopped at an airport in Orlando, Fla., by a suspicious customs agent and sent back overseas on Aug. 4. Two weeks later, another co-conspirator, Zacarias Moussaoui, was arrested on immigration charges in Minnesota after arousing suspicions at a flight school. But the dots were not connected, and Washington did not react.

Could the 9/11 attack have been stopped, had the Bush team reacted with urgency to the warnings contained in all of those daily briefs? We can’t ever know. And that may be the most agonizing reality of all.

Kurt Eichenwald, a contributing editor at Vanity Fair and a former reporter for The New York Times (http://www.rotharmy.com/forums/showthread.php?66382-U.S.-Ambassador-Killed-by-Terrorists-in-Libya&p=1703236&posted=1#post1703236), is the author of “500 Days: Secrets and Lies in the Terror Wars.”


Like i said, it wasn't solid and concrete Intel. It was basically, they could attack, they might attack, we don't know when or where, but it could happen. Let's not also forget that under the Clinton administration, the CIA and FBI were not sharing Intel with each other under all the Clinton budget cuts and he basically put the Police in charge for such maters. Basically, the right hand didn't know what the left was doing. They didn't have anyone watching Arabs wanting to learn how to take off and fly jets but not learn how to land them. Obama, was watching this shit in real time, and didn't do nothing but come up with a cover story to tell the American people which makes this attack even worse. We got caught with our pants down on the original 9-11. It was a mistake and lack of our agencies working together. This is a pure administration failure and offensive cover up.

[MUSICMANN]

I don't know? What does your bizarre, partisan shit have to do with the thread I started on the Libyan attacks?

But the fact that one suspect is down and "scored a goal in his own net" is very related to this topic. Are you high?


Oh, i guess the real facts about what happened on that night and why our President watched it in real time and did nothing has a shitload to with this thread you started.

[Nitro Express]

It was that movie damn it!:biggrin:

[Nickdfresh]

Like i said, it wasn't solid and concrete Intel. It was basically, they could attack, they might attack, we don't know when or where, but it could happen. Let's not also forget that under the Clinton administration, the CIA and FBI were not sharing Intel with each other under all the Clinton budget cuts and he basically put the Police in charge for such maters. Basically, the right hand didn't know what the left was doing. They didn't have anyone watching Arabs wanting to learn how to take off and fly jets but not learn how to land them. Obama, was watching this shit in real time, and didn't do nothing but come up with a cover story to tell the American people which makes this attack even worse. We got caught with our pants down on the original 9-11. It was a mistake and lack of our agencies working together. This is a pure administration failure and offensive cover up.


So what was the solid concrete intell that Obama supposedly had? The Embassy Attack may well have been a last-minute, ad hoc plan by a bunch of militia douchebags.

And because there wasn't a "concrete" plan listed, Bush's Admin should have done nothing?

[Nickdfresh]

Oh, i guess the real facts about what happened on that night and why our President watched it in real time and did nothing has a shitload to with this thread you started.


Did you want him to use his magical presidential powers to invoke lightening on the perpetrators?

[MUSICMANN]

So what was the solid concrete intell that Obama supposedly had? The Embassy Attack may well have been a last-minute, ad hoc plan by a bunch of militia douchebags.

And because there wasn't a "concrete" plan listed, Bush's Admin should have done nothing?

He was looking at the attack in real time you stupid fuck. That was all the concrete Intel he needed. To make comparison, Bush would have had to be looking at all 3 of those jets in real time and not calling in an airstrike to do something that would have been the hardest thing i could imagine a President would have had to do. Shoot down a commercial airliner with it's manifest on board. Obama could have made the call and sent in a quick strike team to help those guys but didn't.

[FORD]

We all know why MullettMannCoulter hates Obama. That was evident from his first posts on this board, when he blamed the "ni**ers" for Hurricane Katrina.

[MUSICMANN]

Did you want him to use his magical presidential powers to invoke lightening on the perpetrators?


For you people, he's God. So he should have summoned those powers.

[Nitro Express]

Intel aside. You would think they would have the common sense to increase security around September 11. Because of the date and being in the Islamic world, someone might try something just because of the date. Oh well, Hillary bent over and took the blame. Ah yes that arab spring smells so fresh now.

[MUSICMANN]

We all know why MullettMannCoulter hates Obama. That was evident from his first posts on this board, when he blamed the "ni**ers" for Hurricane Katrina.


Always trying to pull a Chris Matthews bullshit raciest attack to deflect the real issue at hand. Obama watched this in real time and did nothing to help those men and they died.

[FORD]

Give it a rest, Issa whore. Nobody's buying this bullshit.

[Seshmeister]

Did you want him to use his magical presidential powers to invoke lightening on the perpetrators?

Well Romney could issue magical underwear to all US ambassadors.

[FORD]

Well Romney could issue magical underwear to all US ambassadors.

Or he could appoint people who already wear them to BE ambassadors. Hey, if Poppy Bush can get away with nominating a bunch of old CIA spies, then why wouldn't Mittens bring in Heavenly Father Elohim's chosen representatives?

And on a similar note..... why hasn't anybody asked Mittens in a debate if he would appoint an ambassador to the planet Kolob??

[Nitro Express]

His temple robe is not pressed and his sash is not tied right. No shirt and tie either. What a slob.

[MUSICMANN]

Give it a rest, Issa whore. Nobody's buying this bullshit.

Attack, attack, attack, such a shame. I don't have anything against Obama except his policies. I'm pretty sure he would be a cool dude to sit down and drink a beer with. The same way i think it would be cool to sit down and drink a beer with any of you guys here that don't see eye to eye with me in the realm of politics. I'm pretty sure if we just talked about VH, sports or something else other than politics it would be nice time. Back to the issue though. Facts are facts, Obama just happens to be the main man on watch and he dropped the ball.

[MUSICMANN]

His temple robe is not pressed and his sash is not tied right. No shirt and tie either. What a slob.


I think this is just as crazy

[Nickdfresh]

He was looking at the attack in real time you stupid fuck. That was all the concrete Intel he needed. To make comparison, Bush would have had to be looking at all 3 of those jets in real time and not calling in an airstrike to do something that would have been the hardest thing i could imagine a President would have had to do. Shoot down a commercial airliner with it's manifest on board. Obama could have made the call and sent in a quick strike team to help those guys but didn't.

How is he supposed to do anything about a terror attack while he's watching it "real time" (from drones) and didn't know about it before hand, you dumb fuck? Do you ever think about this shit you post?

You're brilliant! you know that? You play apologist for an admin that did nothing to prevent an attack on U.S. soil that killed 3000, but shit your panties over the deaths of four in Libya? Nice fucking double standard, "dumb fuck!"

[Nickdfresh]

For you people, he's God. So he should have summoned those powers.

No, just the son of God walking on water. And what do you mean by "you people?"..

[DLR Bridge]

The same way i think it would be cool to sit down and drink a beer with any of you guys here that don't see eye to eye with me in the realm of politics. I'm pretty sure if we just talked about VH, sports or something else other than politics it would be nice time.

I'll drink to that.