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ELVIS
09-14-2012, 07:39 PM
Link! (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/sep/14/french-doctors-drugs-useless-dangerous?newsfeed=true)

Half of all medicines being prescribed by doctors in France are either useless or potentially dangerous for patients, according to two eminent medical specialists. They blame the powerful pharmaceutical companies for keeping these drugs on sale at huge expense to the health system and the taxpayer.

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Professor Philippe Even, director of the prestigious Necker Institute, and Bernard Debré, a doctor and member of parliament, say removing what they describe as superfluous and hazardous drugs from the list of those paid for by the French health service would save up to €10bn (£8bn) a year. It would also prevent up to 20,000 deaths linked to the medication and reduce hospital admissions by up to 100,000, they claim.

In their 900-page book The Guide to the 4,000 Useful, Useless or Dangerous Medicines, Even and Debré examined the effectiveness, risks and cost of pharmaceutical drugs available in France. Among those that they alleged were "completely useless" were statins, widely taken to lower cholesterol. The blacklist of 58 drugs the doctors claimed are dangerous included anti-inflammatories and drugs prescribed for cardiovascular conditions, diabetes, osteoporosis, contraception, muscular cramps and nicotine addiction.

The Professional Federation of Medical Industrialists denounced the doctors' views as full of "confusions and approximations".

"This book is helping to alarm those who are sick needlessly and risks leading them to stop treatments," it saidin a statement.

Christian Lajoux, the federation's president said: "It is dangerous and irresponsible … hundreds of their examples are neither precise nor properly documented. We must not forget that the state exercises strict controls on drugs. France has specialist agencies responsible for the health of patients and of controlling what information is given to them."

Professor Even told the Guardian most of the drugs criticised in the book are produced by French laboratories. He accused the pharmaceutical industry of pushing medicines at doctors who then push them on to patients. "The pharmaceutical industry is the most lucrative, the most cynical and the least ethical of all the industries," he said. "It is like an octopus with tentacles that has infiltrated all the decision making bodies, world health organisations, governments, parliaments, high administrations in health and hospitals and the medical profession.

"It has done this with the connivance, and occasionally the corruption of the medical profession. I am not just talking about medicines but the whole of medicine. It is the pharmaceutical industry that now outlines the entire medical landscape in our country."

The French consume medication worth €36bn every year, about €532 for each citizen who has an average 47 boxes of medicine in cupboards every year. The state covers 77% of the cost, amounting to 12% of GDP; in Britain spending on medicines is 9.6% of GDP. "Yet in the UK people have the same life expectancy of around 80 years and are no less healthy," said Even.

The authors were commissioned by former President Nicolas Sarkozy to write a report over the Mediator affair, a drug developed for diabetes patients but prescribed as a slimming aid, that has been linked to the deaths of hundreds of patients who developed heart problems.

However, Even accused the industry of having a get-rich-quick attitude to making medicines and said it was interested in chasing only easy profits. "They haven't discovered very much new for the last 30 years, but have multiplied production, using tricks and lies.

"Sadly, none of them is interested in making drugs for rare conditions or, say, for an infectious disease in countries with no money, because it's not a big market. Nor are they interested in developing drugs for conditions like Alzheimer's or Parkinson's disease because it too difficult and there's not money to be made quickly.

"It has become interested only in the immediate, in short term gains. On Wall Street, the pharmaceutical industry is third after petrol and banking, and each year it increases by 20%. It's more profitable than mining for diamonds."

Asked to explain French people's apparent dependence on medication, Even said: "For the last 40 years patients have been told that medicines are necessary for them, so they ask for them. Today we have doctors who want to give people medicines and sick people asking for medicines. There's nothing objective or realistic about this."

He added: "There is nothing revolutionary in this book. This has all been known for some time."


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Nitro Express
09-14-2012, 09:27 PM
Ah the French probably smoke and drink themselves to death before the drugs have a chance to send them to the reaper.

ELVIS
09-14-2012, 10:00 PM
Their life expectancy is higher than ours...

BITEYOASS
09-15-2012, 11:26 AM
MAHAAAAHAAA the french!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFevH5vP32s

Redballjets88
09-15-2012, 03:11 PM
Prescription drugs are the worst of all drugs today and the doctor that hand them out like candy are worthless fucks. And at least drinking and smoking are a choice you can make as opposed to having a doctor tell you that you need to take prescription heroin

gbranton
09-15-2012, 03:28 PM
I saw a commercial for an arthritis drug last night, during the commercial they mentioned side effects, such as tuberculosis, heart attack, stroke and cancer, ALL of which are worse than arthritis in my book. I can't believe anyone would actually ingest this poison.

I am not a fan of putting any of that shit in my body. When I exploded one of the discs in my back last year my docs tried to give me all sorts of dope, I never even filled the prescriptions.

DONNIEP
09-15-2012, 03:38 PM
I saw a commercial for an arthritis drug last night, during the commercial they mentioned side effects, such as tuberculosis, heart attack, stroke and cancer, ALL of which are worse than arthritis in my book. I can't believe anyone would actually ingest this poison.

Might as well eat asbestos...

gbranton
09-15-2012, 03:40 PM
Might as well eat asbestos...

Grind it up and snort it.

By the way, that's what killed Steve McQueen, mesothelioma. When he was in the Marines they made him scrape it off pipes and whatnot without any kind of mask.

Redballjets88
09-15-2012, 04:04 PM
Big Pharm may be evil but then again without them AIDS would stil be ravaging people (gays and people who shoot up)

Sensible Shoes
09-15-2012, 07:00 PM
Their life expectancy is higher than ours...

Great! Why don't you move there?

ELVIS
09-15-2012, 08:26 PM
Why don't you increase your Prozac ??

Redballjets88
09-15-2012, 08:33 PM
You know it's a lot easier for countries with a fraction of our population to take care of their own. I'm tired of all these so called comparisons between ourselves and other countries that have the population of 2 of our states combined and a land mass smaller than Texas.

Redballjets88
09-15-2012, 08:34 PM
Now look at stats of the top 5 populated counties and get back to me

ELVIS
09-15-2012, 08:35 PM
What the fuck are you talking about ??

Redballjets88
09-15-2012, 10:13 PM
How high population may play a factor in making it harder (whether or not our healthcare is equal) for the nation to have the same numbers in health care. And please don't ask dumb questions. I mean i do believe you can read and comprehend. Maybe provide a valid argument instead of playing dumb king of rock and roll

ELVIS
09-15-2012, 10:20 PM
Nevermind...

Redballjets88
09-15-2012, 10:27 PM
I'll play dumb too then....thank you for agreeing

binnie
09-16-2012, 07:31 AM
You know it's a lot easier for countries with a fraction of our population to take care of their own. I'm tired of all these so called comparisons between ourselves and other countries that have the population of 2 of our states combined and a land mass smaller than Texas.

It's an interesting point.

But surely the crucial determinant should be the comparative wealth of the countries being assessed?

Seshmeister
09-16-2012, 07:39 AM
Grind it up and snort it.

By the way, that's what killed Steve McQueen, mesothelioma. When he was in the Marines they made him scrape it off pipes and whatnot without any kind of mask.

I didn't realise that, I had always just assumed it was the 4 packs of cigarettes a day.

It's sad he had his last months made worse and life shortened as one of those 'natural medicine' quack cunts ripped him off...



In July, McQueen traveled to Rosarito Beach for unconventional treatment after U.S. doctors advised him that they could do nothing to prolong his life.

Controversy arose over McQueen's Mexican trip, because McQueen sought a very non-traditional cancer treatment that used coffee enemas, frequent shampoos, injection of live cells from cows and sheep, massage and laetrile, a supposedly "natural" anti-cancer drug available in Mexico, but not approved by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration. McQueen himself paid for his unconventional medical treatments out of his own pocket with cash. McQueen was treated by William Donald Kelley, whose only medical license had been (until it was revoked in 1976) for orthodontics.

Kelley's methods created a sensation in both the traditional and tabloid press when it became known that McQueen was a patient. Despite metastasis of the cancer to much of McQueen's body, Kelley publicly announced that McQueen would be completely cured and return to normal life. However, McQueen's condition worsened and "huge" tumors developed in his abdomen. In late October 1980, McQueen flew to Ciudad Juárez to have an abdominal tumor on his liver (which weighed around five pounds) removed, despite the warnings of his U.S. doctors that the tumor was inoperable and that his heart would not withstand the surgery. McQueen checked into a Juarez clinic under the assumed name of "Sam Shepard" where the doctors and staff at the small, low-income clinic were unaware of his real identity. McQueen died of cardiac arrest. A following article in the El Paso Times noted that right before his death he awoke and asked for some ice and then died.

Seshmeister
09-16-2012, 07:49 AM
It's an interesting point.

But surely the crucial determinant should be the comparative wealth of the countries being assessed?

Of course it is.

The population thing is just an excuse made to try and defend the poor state of healthcare coverage in the US despite having the highest spending.

The US problems are systemic and not because of population size. Why should it be more difficult to provide healthcare for 300 million rather than 60 million in an advanced country when you spend more per head?

If anything there should be economies of scale.

BigBadBrian
09-16-2012, 08:10 AM
I saw a commercial for an arthritis drug last night, during the commercial they mentioned side effects, such as tuberculosis, heart attack, stroke and cancer, ALL of which are worse than arthritis in my book. I can't believe anyone would actually ingest this poison.


First of all, they have to say stuff like that...as far as possible side effects go. The horrific side effects, for the most part, are really quite rare. If you can't believe " anyone would actually ingest this poison," it's because neither you nor anyone you know has arthritis. You would gladly take some of this "poison" if you did have arthritis and experienced the awful pain they have. Some of these drugs like Enbrel and Humira actually have a pretty good track record for reversing joint damage as well as easing the pain. The same can be said for alot of different meds.

ELVIS
09-17-2012, 01:54 PM
First of all, they have to say stuff like that...as far as possible side effects go. The horrific side effects, for the most part, are really quite rare. If you can't believe " anyone would actually ingest this poison," it's because neither you nor anyone you know has arthritis. You would gladly take some of this "poison" if you did have arthritis and experienced the awful pain they have. Some of these drugs like Enbrel and Humira actually have a pretty good track record for reversing joint damage as well as easing the pain. The same can be said for alot of different meds.

Those medicines do not reverse joint damage, they reduce inflammation...

They are known as tumor necrosis factor inhibitors, and studys are showing them to reduce cardiovascular inflammation, thus reducing heart attacks...

But they are dangerous...