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FORD
09-20-2012, 05:06 PM
Romney and the White Horse Prophecy (http://www.salon.com/2012/01/29/mitt_and_the_white_horse_prophecy/)
A close look at the roots of Romney's -- and the Mormon church's -- political ambitions
By Sally Denton

Why his Mormonism is a legitimate campaign issue

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The White Horse Prophecy foresaw Mormons in politics. (Credit: iStockphoto/66North/Reuters)



When Mitt Romney received his patriarchal blessing as a Michigan teenager, he was told that the Lord expected great things from him. All young Mormon men — the “worthy males” of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, as it is officially known — receive such a blessing as they embark on their requisite journeys as religious missionaries. But at 19 years of age, the youngest son of the most prominent Mormon in American politics — a seventh-generation direct descendant of one of the faith’s founding 12 apostles—Mitt Romney had been singled out as a destined leader.

From the time of his birth — March 13, 1947 — through adolescence and into manhood, the meshing of religion and politics was paramount in Mitt Romney’s life. Called “my miracle baby” by his mother, who had been told by her physician that it was impossible for her to bear a fourth child, Romney was christened Willard Mitt Romney in honor of close family friend and one of the richest Mormons in history, J. Willard Marriott.

In 1962, when Mitt — as they decided to call him — was a sophomore in high school, his father, George W. Romney, was elected governor of Michigan. Throughout the early 1960s, Mitt collected petition signatures, campaigned at his father’s side, attended strategy sessions with his father’s political advisors, and interned at his father’s office during all three of his gubernatorial terms. He attended the 1964 Republican National Convention where his father led a challenge of moderates against the right-wing Barry Goldwater. Although he was fulfilling his spiritual obligation as a Mormon missionary in France in 1968 while his father was the front-running GOP presidential candidate, Mitt was kept apprised of the political developments back in the U.S.

Upon completion of his foreign mission, he immersed himself in the 1970 senatorial campaign of his mother, Lenore Romney, who was running against Phillip Hart in the Michigan general election. That same year, the Cougar Club — the all male, all white social club at Brigham Young University in Salt Lake City (blacks were excluded from full membership in the Mormon church until 1978) — was humming with talk that its president, Mitt Romney, would become the first Mormon president of the United States. “If not Mitt, then who?” was the ubiquitous slogan within the elite organization. The pious world of BYU was expected to spawn the man who would lead the Mormons into the White House and fulfill the prophecies of the church’s founder, Joseph Smith Jr., which Romney has avidly sought to realize.

Romney avoids mentioning it, but Smith ran for president in 1844 as an independent commander in chief of an “army of God” advocating the overthrow of the U.S. government in favor of a Mormon-ruled theocracy. Challenging Democrat James Polk and Whig Henry Clay, Smith prophesied that if the U.S. Congress did not accede to his demands that “they shall be broken up as a government and God shall damn them.” Smith viewed capturing the presidency as part of the mission of the church. He had predicted the emergence of “the one Mighty and Strong” — a leader who would “set in order the house of God” — and became the first of many prominent Mormon men to claim the mantle.

Smith’s insertion of religion into politics and his call for a “theodemocracy where God and people hold the power to conduct the affairs of men in righteous matters” created a sensation and drew hostility from the outside world. But his candidacy was cut short when he was shot to death by an anti-Mormon vigilante mob. Out of Smith’s national political ambitions grew what would become known in Mormon circles as the “White Horse Prophecy” — a belief ingrained in Mormon culture and passed down through generations by church leaders that the day would come when the U.S. Constitution would “hang like a thread as fine as a silk fiber” and the Mormon priesthood would save it.

Romney is the product of this culture. At BYU, he was idolized by fellow students and referred to, only half jokingly, as the “One Mighty and Strong.” He was the “alpha male” in the rarefied Cougar pack, according to Michael D. Moody, a BYU classmate and fellow member of the group. Composed almost exclusively of returned Mormon missionaries, the club members were known for their preppy blue blazers and enthusiastic athletic boosterism. Romney, who had been the assistant to the president of the French Mission where he was personally in charge of more than 200 missionaries, easily assumed a leadership position in the club.

Both political and religious, the Cougar Club raised funds for the school and its members emulated the campus-wide honor and dress codes, passionately disavowing the counterculture symbolism of long hair, bell-bottom jeans and antiwar slogans that were sweeping college campuses throughout America. They held monthly “Fireside testimonies” — Sacrament meetings at which each member testified to his belief that he lived in Heaven before being born on Earth, that he became mortal in order to usher in the latter days, and that he recognized Joseph Smith as the prophet, the Book of Mormon as the word of God, and the Mormon church as the one true faith.

Such regular testimonies encouraged the students to live devout lives and to resist the encroaching outside influences overtaking the nation at large. “It helps them cope with such external pressures as evolution-teaching professors and cranky anthropologists who expect answers that conflict with LDS teachings,” according to James Coates, author of “In Mormon Circles.”

They traditionally hosted frat-like parties (Greek fraternities were banned from the campus) to raise a few thousand dollars for the college’s sports teams. But Cougar president Romney drove the young men to aim higher, orchestrating a telethon that raised a stunning million dollars. Romney’s position as head of the club was widely seen as a calculated steppingstone for a career in national politics.

So it seemed disingenuous to his former club mates when, in a 2006 magazine interview, Romney denied his longtime political aspirations. “I have to admit I did not think I was going to be in politics,” he told the American Spectator. “Had I thought politics was in my future, I would not have chosen Massachusetts as the state of my residence. I would have stayed in Michigan where my Dad’s name was golden.”

Michael Moody says political success was an institutional value of the LDS church.

“The instructions in my [patriarchal] blessing, which I believed came directly from Jesus, motivated me to seek a career in government and politics,” he wrote in his 2008 book. Moody recently said that he ran for governor of Nevada in 1982 because he felt he had been divinely directed to “expand our kingdom” and help Romney “lead the world into the Millennium. Once a firm believer but now a church critic, Moody was indoctrinated with the White Horse Prophecy. Like Romney, Moody is a seventh-generation Mormon, steeped in the same intellectual and theological milieu.

“We were taught that America is the Promised Land,” he said in an interview.”The Mormons are the Chosen People. And the time is now for a Mormon leader to usher in the second coming of Christ and install the political Kingdom of God in Washington, D.C.”

In this scenario, Romney’s candidacy is part of the eternal plan and the candidate himself is fulfilling the destiny begun in what the church calls the “pre-existence.”

Several prominent Mormons, including conservative talk-show host Glenn Beck, have alluded to this apocalyptic prophecy. The controversial myth is not an official church doctrine, but it has also arisen in the national dialogue with the presidential candidacies of Mormons George Romney, Sen. Orrin Hatch, R-Utah, and now Mitt Romney.

“I don’t think the White Horse Prophecy is fair to bring up at all,” Mitt Romney told the Salt Lake Tribune when he was asked about it during his 2008 presidential bid. “It’s been rejected by every church leader that has talked about it. It has nothing to do with anything.”

Pundits and scholars, rabbis and bloggers, have repeatedly posed the question during Romney’s run: Is a candidate’s religion relevant? With a startling 50 percent increase of recently polled American voters claiming to know little or nothing about Mormonism, another 32 percent rejecting Mormonism as a Christian faith, a whopping 42 percent saying they would feel “somewhat or very uncomfortable” with a Mormon president, and a widespread sense that the religion is a cult, the issue is clearly more complicated than religious bigotry alone. Judging from poll results, Americans seem less prejudiced against a candidate’s faith than concerned about the unknown, apprehensive about any kind of fanaticism, and generally uneasy about a religion that is neither mainstream Judaic nor Christian.

Just as the Christian fundamentalism of former GOP candidates Michele Bachmann and Rick Perry informed their political ideology — and was therefore considered fair game in the national dialogue — so too does Mormonism define not only Mitt Romney’s character, but what kind of president he would be and what impulses would drive him in both domestic and foreign policy.

Romney’s religion is not a sideline, but a crucial element in understanding the man, the mission and the candidacy. He is the quintessential Mormon who embodies all of the basic elements of the homegrown American religion that is among the fastest growing religions in the world. Like his father before him, Romney has charted a course from missionary to businessman, from church bishop to politician — and to presidential candidate. The influence that Mormonism has had on him has dominated every step of the way.

The seeds of Romney’s unique brand of conservatism, often regarded with intense suspicion by most non-Mormon conservatives, were sown in the secretive, acquisitive, patriarchal, authoritarian religious empire run by “quorums” of men under an umbrella consortium called the General Authorities. A creed unlike any other in the United States, from its inception Mormonism encouraged material prosperity and abundance as a measure of holy worth, and its strict system of tithing 10 percent of individual wealth has made the church one of the world’s richest institutions.

A multibillion-dollar business empire that includes agribusiness, mining, insurance, electronic and print media, manufacturing, movie production, commercial real estate, defense contracting, retail stores and banking, the Mormon church has unprecedented economic and political power. Despite a solemn stricture against any act or tolerance of gambling, Mormons have been heavily invested and exceptionally influential in the Nevada gaming industry since the great expansion of modern Las Vegas in the 1950s. Valued for their unquestioning loyalty to authority as well as general sobriety — they are prohibited from imbibing in alcohol, tobacco or coffee — Mormons have long been recruited into top positions in government agencies and multinational corporations. They are prominent in such institutions as the CIA, FBI and the national nuclear weapons laboratories, giving the church a sphere of influence unlike any other American religion in the top echelons of government.

Romney, like his father before him who voluntarily tithed an unparalleled 19 percent of his personal fortune, is among the church’s wealthiest members. And like his father, grandfather and great-grandfathers before him, Mitt Romney was groomed for a prominent position in the church, which he manifested first as a missionary, then as a bishop, and then as a stake president, becoming the highest-ranking Mormon leader in Boston — the equivalent of a cardinal of the Roman Catholic Church.

Called a “militant millennial movement” by renowned Mormon historian David L. Bigler, Mormonism’s founding theology was based upon a literal takeover of the U.S. government. In light of the theology and divine prophecies of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, unamended by the LDS hierarchy, it would seem that the office of the American presidency is the ultimate ecclesiastical position to which a Mormon leader might aspire. So it is not the LDS cosmology that is relevant to Romney’s candidacy, but whether devout 21stcentury Mormons like Romney believe that the American presidency is also a theological position.

Since his first campaign in 2008, Romney has attempted to keep debate about his religion out of the political discourse. The issue is not whether there is a religious test for political office; the Constitution prohibits it. Instead, the question is whether, past all of the flip-flops on virtually every policy, he has an underlying religious conception of the presidency and the American government. At the recent GOP presidential debate in Florida, Romney professed that the Declaration of Independence is a theological document, not specific to the rebellious 13 colonies, but establishing a covenant “between God and man.” Which would suggest that Mitt Romney views the American presidency as a theological office.

Sally Denton is the author most recently of "American Massacre" and is currently working on "Betrayal at the Border: Profit, Death, and the American Dream."

Nitro Express
09-20-2012, 05:27 PM
Actually BYU did have greek fraternitys and sororities. They eventually got rid of them because it was bringing in a certain snob factor that the school didn't find to be an asset to campus life. Joseph Smith did run for president of the United States. The reason was the Mormons were killed and ran out of the state of Missouri. The church and members of the church had legal deeds to property and they wanted compensation. They took the their case to the federal government in Washington DC and nobody was willing to help them. Joseph got fed up and ran for president hoping the publicity would bring attention to the cause. He knew he had no hope in hell of winning, it was to get attention.

This is going to be a campaign that both candidates don't want a spot light put on their religious backgrounds. Obama has a past history of being involved with muslims and radicle church's. Romney has his Mormon upbringing. The thing is people said if Kennedy got elected the Vatican would be controlling the executive branch. Some people say the Muslim Brotherhood are running Obama. The thing is most people flat out don't give a ratt's ass. Typically the only people who really have a beef with the Mormon church are disgruntled former members who are angry they wasted their life and money in it. Such people can't blow it off and get on with the rest of their lives and waste their time bitching on various anti-Mormon websites. It's the same with Muslims and Catholics. All of them bitching about the church and finger pointing making themselves feel good. In reality, most people don't give a shit. To most religion is just one big glob of nonsense and all they care about is how the person running for office is going to butter their bread. What's in it for me? is how people vote.

Seshmeister
09-20-2012, 05:31 PM
The writer of this piece has an impressive enough bio.

Worrying...

Nitro Express
09-20-2012, 05:50 PM
Having grown up Mormon it reads like some half-researched drivel. It's like reading a tabloid. Mormons always used to joke there never would be a Mormon president. They knew the public viewed them left of center and they took pride in it because they liked being different. They would pridefully say "We are peculiar people". Also when you are a Mormon missionary you aren't supposed to worry about what's going on at home. You can only talk to your family over Christmas and sometimes Mother's Day. Even if there is a death in the family you can't go home. So how in the hell is Mitt going to be following the political situation back home?

The person who wrote this article knows nothing about Mormon culture, what goes on in the church, or BYU. Also how do they know what's in Mitt's patriarchal blessing? Those are private and not shared. Mormons don't sit around and share their blessings and in fact, are told by the patriarch not to do it.

So this is either a bunch of hogwash or Mitt was breaking a lot of church rules when he was growing up.

Nitro Express
09-20-2012, 05:58 PM
Bios mean nothing. George W. Bush looks impressive on paper.

FORD
09-20-2012, 06:00 PM
Bios mean nothing. George W. Bush looks impressive on paper.

Actually, he didn't, given his string of serial business failures. Same with Cheney, for that matter.

Nitro Express
09-20-2012, 06:07 PM
In the 1850s, Jean Rio, a deeply spiritual widow, was moved by the promises of Mormon missionaries and set out from England for Utah. Traveling across the Atlantic by steamer, up the Mississippi by riverboat, and westward by wagon, Rio kept a detailed diary of her extraordinary journey.In Faith and Betrayal, Sally Denton, an award-winning journalist and Rio’s great-great-granddaughter, uses the long-lost diary to re-create Rio’s experience. While she marvels at the great natural beauty of Utah, Rio’s enthusiasm for her new life turns to disillusionment over Mormon polygamy and violence against nonbelievers, as well as the harshness of frontier life. She sets out for California, where she finds a new religion and the freedom she longed for. Unusually intimate and full of vivid detail, this is an absorbing story of a quintessential American pioneer.

The writer of the article comes from Momron ancestry. Like I said, disgruntled Mormons tend to write biased exaggerated stuff about Mormons and the church. This would explain a lot of the exaggerated fluff in her article. I've been around it my whole life and can just sniff it out. These people are all the same and all they want to do is show negative and they go beyond truth and exaggerate to do so.

Nitro Express
09-20-2012, 06:09 PM
Actually, he didn't, given his string of serial business failures. Same with Cheney, for that matter.

I'm talking about the schools he went to. W supposedly went to some of the best schools in the country.

Jagermeister
09-20-2012, 10:27 PM
Jesus fucking Christ! Glad to see nothing has changed around here! Bunch of liberal monkeys. :)

Va Beach VH Fan
09-20-2012, 10:43 PM
LOL, they called in for reinforcements !! ;)

Jagermeister
09-20-2012, 10:44 PM
LOL, they called in for reinforcements !! ;)

Damn right. Romney for President!!!!!!!!!!

Jagermeister
09-20-2012, 10:47 PM
FORD knows I am too lazy to read all that . lol I'm just being ummm....me

Hardrock69
09-21-2012, 02:38 PM
The way it usually works is, disgruntled former religion members write about their former religious masters.

Sure, they will exaggerate some, but there is usually a kernel of truth to everything.

To me Moronism is a bunch of bullshit anyway.

People who want to believe that some idiot from Misery a hundred and fifty years ago was some kind of prophet are delusional.

All humans get their fucking shoes on one at a time.

Go to Speaker's Corner in Hyde Park on a Sunday and you will find a dozen "prophets" who are yelling rubbish that is just as valid as anything that fucking dumbass Brigham Young ever dreamed up. Anything Jim Bakker, Jimmy Swaggart or Dr. Gene Scott every came up with has just as much integrity as the entire book of Moron.....

Or better yet, just go to your local skid row and ask Willie The Wino what his take on the meaning of life is, and he can pontificate at length in a manner far superior to many religious leaders, even though his speech may be slurred and he may smell like a mixture of vodka, urine and vomit.

People who are so weak they must glue themselves to some religion to feel worthwhile about themselves, or are so ill-equipped to deal with life that they have to use religion as a crutch to get through life are not fit to be president. The American People are beyond the point where being "religious" matters......all the crying about how "Moronic" he is will not help Mittens win the election.....it may actually help in preventing him from being elected.

Religion has no place in government. It is a personal issue. What fairy tales people believe in has nothing to do with the office they are running for, unless they are attempting to get elected to be the head of the Moron Church, or the Southern Batshit Conference or whatever.

jhale667
09-21-2012, 03:47 PM
FORD knows I can't read

And so does everyone else.

binnie
09-21-2012, 03:49 PM
Would his Mormonism really impact on his ability to be President?

Seems like a side issue to me.

FORD
09-21-2012, 04:03 PM
Would his Mormonism really impact on his ability to be President?

Seems like a side issue to me.

Well, arguably it could, if Mittens were committed to fulfilling this prophecy and installing a Mormon theocracy. We already have Harry Reid as Senate Majority Leader, even though he doesn't seem to realize what "majority" or "leader" actually means. The Romneys are an original Mormon family, so he might well be more committed to his faith than your average Catholic or Southern Baptist might be.

Honestlly though, I'm LESS worrried about Romney's own Mormon theocracy than I am his running mate's Ayn Rand theorcracy (or technically atheocracy, since Rand herself was atheist). Or his PNAC foreign policy team's Likud theocracy.

binnie
09-21-2012, 06:57 PM
Mmmmmm.....

Could one man really put a 'theocracy' in place?

The point I'm trying to get at is that there seems to be an awful lot of discussion about personality and very little about policies. I see elections as one big job interview: when I interview someone for a job I'm really not very interested in their family, their Church (or lack of) and what their favourite colour is. All I'm interested in is whether you can do the job.

The dumbing-down of political discourse is truly remarkable - in the age of virtual media there are more and more avenues for discussion, and there are more and more words, but people are actually saying less and less. It's quite a paradox.

Dr. Love
09-21-2012, 08:00 PM
What's an election without some religious bigotry to accompany the already present racial bigotry

FORD
09-21-2012, 08:04 PM
What's an election without some religious bigotry to accompany the already present racial bigotry

Is that a reference to the Mormon doctrine that Blacks are descended from angels who were too lazy to fight Satan, when he rebelled against Elohim?

jhale667
09-21-2012, 09:30 PM
Is that a reference to the Mormon doctrine that Blacks are descended from angels who were too lazy to fight Satan, when he rebelled against Elohim?

And the main reason that doctrine was abandoned was - not because it was the right thing to do, since anyone with a functioning brain stem knows that's bullshit, or not even out of the "goodness of their hearts"... to avoid losing their federal tax exemption in 1973 wasn't it? Stooled for almost a decade after the civil rights movement? :mad:


They deserve any criticism they get, fuck that. If it weren't for Scientology they'd still be the new kids on the block religion-wise...

Dr. Love
09-21-2012, 09:58 PM
This sounds like a case of "my bullshit is older and therefore stinks less than your bullshit!"

FORD
09-21-2012, 10:04 PM
And the main reason that doctrine was abandoned was - not because it was the right thing to do, since anyone with a functioning brain stem knows that's bullshit, or not even out of the "goodness of their hearts"... to avoid losing their federal tax exemption in 1973 wasn't it? Stooled for almost a decade after the civil rights movement? :mad:


They deserve any criticism they get, fuck that. If it weren't for Scientology they'd still be the new kids on the block religion-wise...

Actually it was 1978. The Church had apparently just finished building their temple in Sao Paolo Brazil, and since Brazil has a whole lot of "race mixing" going on, they had a hard time finding people who were eligible to enter the Temple, according to the racist old teachings. Which obviously didn't sell the religion very well down there.

Luckily, a well timed revelation from Elohim, Our Heavenly Father to the Prophet Spencer W. Kimball straightened all of that out, and just like that, all the "descendants of the lazy angels" were forgiven.

jhale667
09-22-2012, 10:47 AM
This sounds like a case of "my bullshit is older and therefore stinks less than your bullshit!"

That's how religions work...and yes, they all stink.

Nickdfresh
09-22-2012, 11:19 AM
Would his Mormonism really impact on his ability to be President?

Seems like a side issue to me.

I don't think so. I think he'd be as much of an android-like, out-of-touch cunt even if he were Catholic or Presbyterian...

jhale667
09-22-2012, 12:16 PM
I don't think so. I think he'd be as much of an android-like, out-of-touch cunt even if he were Catholic or Presbyterian...

True...

FORD
09-22-2012, 12:29 PM
Well, Ryan's a total cunt, and he's a supposed "Catholic" who prays to a dead atheist (Ayn Rand)