British Healthcare: Up to 500,000 people have to share one out-of-hours Physician

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  • BigBadBrian
    TOASTMASTER GENERAL
    • Jan 2004
    • 10620

    British Healthcare: Up to 500,000 people have to share one out-of-hours Physician

    Up to 500,000 people have to share one out-of-hours GP
    As many as half a million people are having to share just one out-of-hours GP in some parts of England following budget cuts by health authorities, figures show.
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    By Rosa Silverman8:00AM BST 29 Sep 2012

    A third of primary care trusts (PCTs) have reduced their spending on night and weekend services in the past year, leaving family doctors responsible for areas spanning hundreds of square miles.
    In Cornwall there have been occasions when one GP has been providing cover for 535,000 people, while in Mid Essex one doctor is available for 370,000 people between 7pm and 8am.
    After getting rid of one of its two doctors, North East Essex has the same cover for its 325,000-strong population.

    A survey of 90 PCTs found that 35 had cut their budget for out-of-hours GP care, with the average budget reduced by 10%.

    The results, released under Freedom of Information legislation, also revealed that 11 trusts employed only one GP to provide cover at night for between 180,000 and 535,000 people.

    GP out-of-hours services have been hit by controversy and attracted fierce criticism after a number of high profile deaths including that of David Gray, a pensioner from Cambridgeshire.
    Mr Gray, 70, was killed by a morphine overdose given by a German locum doctor, Daniel Ubani, who was on his first shift providing GP out-of-hours cover in Britain. Ubani complained he was tired and was unfamiliar with the drug.

    Mr Gray’s son, Stuart Gray, said he was “appalled but not surprised” by the figures on out-of-hours coverage.

    He told a newspaper: “It would appear some trusts really don’t care about patient safety or put it high on their agenda.

    “I fear many PCT managers are driven by their desire to balance the books. This is morally repugnant.“Patients are still put at unacceptable risk by apparently negligent practices.”
    Katherine Murphy, chief executive of The Patients Association, was also unsurprised by the figures.
    She said: ‘These stark figures confirm what patients are telling us - it is incredibly difficult to get access to a GP out of hours either to talk by phone or to arrange a home visit.’
    In 2004, a new contract enabled GPs to opt out of evening and weekend duties, meaning only one in four works out-of-hours now.

    Many trusts have outsourced their out-of-hours GP cover to private firms and it is thought around a quarter of the population is covered by such providers.

    A spokesman for Serco, a private firm that provides out-of-hours cover in Cornwall, said there had been only a ‘limited’ number of occasions in the past year when just one GP was on call.
    Serco now ensures that at least two GPs are on call at night to cover the county’s 1,316 square miles, he said.

    At least five nurses and paramedics are also on duty in cars in the area.
    The Department of Health said local NHS groups were obliged to make sure a high standard of care was in place and to take action over any failings.
    “If bullshit was currency, Joe Biden would be a billionaire.” - George W. Bush
  • ELVIS
    Banned
    • Dec 2003
    • 44120

    #2
    Afraid to post the source ??

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    • vandeleur
      ROTH ARMY SUPREME
      • Sep 2009
      • 9865

      #3
      That is a very misleading article , I've never used an out if hour gp and don't know anyone who has.
      The nhs main out of hours contact points are a telephone service called nhs direct or the 24/7 accident and emergency departments , these departments dealt with 15.9 million patients in 2010.
      Out of hours gp's are a bit of an anachronism .
      fuck your fucking framing

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      • knuckleboner
        Crazy Ass Mofo
        • Jan 2004
        • 2927

        #4
        if the britsh healthcare system is so horrible, as U.S. conservatives repeatedly try to claim, why do none of the british parties make any attempt to change it?

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        • vandeleur
          ROTH ARMY SUPREME
          • Sep 2009
          • 9865

          #5
          The reason no uk political party would change the nhs is because its an amazing institution that works despite chronic under funding for a lot of Years.

          I don't know anything about American conservative politics so couldn't offer an informed point of view , am guessing a universal free at the point of entry health service may sound a bit left wing for a Conservative party. And it ain't cheap so that could put people off .
          fuck your fucking framing

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          • binnie
            DIAMOND STATUS
            • May 2006
            • 19144

            #6
            Out-of-hours GPs are a bit of an anachronism.

            If you wanted to see a doctor outside of the hours 8AM-7PM it would be an emergency, in which case you would go to Accident & Emergency or phone an ambulence.

            That being said, Conservative cuts to state spending will have a drastic effect on resources in the UK. It is tough times for the vulnerable at the moment (but it would be even tougher without free healthcare).
            The Power Of The Riff Compels Me

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            • BigBadBrian
              TOASTMASTER GENERAL
              • Jan 2004
              • 10620

              #7
              Originally posted by ELVIS
              Afraid to post the source ??
              It's right above the byline for the article, Dummy! That is if you know what a byline is (doubtful).
              “If bullshit was currency, Joe Biden would be a billionaire.” - George W. Bush

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              • BigBadBrian
                TOASTMASTER GENERAL
                • Jan 2004
                • 10620

                #8
                Originally posted by binnie
                Out-of-hours GPs are a bit of an anachronism.

                If you wanted to see a doctor outside of the hours 8AM-7PM it would be an emergency, in which case you would go to Accident & Emergency or phone an ambulence.

                That being said, Conservative cuts to state spending will have a drastic effect on resources in the UK. It is tough times for the vulnerable at the moment (but it would be even tougher without free healthcare).
                "in which case you would go to Accident & Emergency or phone an ambulence:" Your child falls down, cuts his knee and needs sutures: Not exactly something that requires an ambulance yet probably shouldn't wait until the next day. A GP would be cheaper than a trip to the ER at your local hospital.
                “If bullshit was currency, Joe Biden would be a billionaire.” - George W. Bush

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                • Seshmeister
                  ROTH ARMY WEBMASTER

                  • Oct 2003
                  • 35163

                  #9
                  Originally posted by binnie
                  Out-of-hours GPs are a bit of an anachronism.

                  If you wanted to see a doctor outside of the hours 8AM-7PM it would be an emergency, in which case you would go to Accident & Emergency or phone an ambulence.

                  That being said, Conservative cuts to state spending will have a drastic effect on resources in the UK. It is tough times for the vulnerable at the moment (but it would be even tougher without free healthcare).

                  It's partly the Labour Parties fault though as they completely fucked up contract negotiations with GPs years ago.

                  GPs used to do out of hours care for free on a rota, now they are paid for by hospitals at £200 an hour.

                  UK GPs get paid crazy amounts of money nowadays, it's ridiculous. They get twice as much as French doctors.

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                  • Seshmeister
                    ROTH ARMY WEBMASTER

                    • Oct 2003
                    • 35163

                    #10
                    Originally posted by BigBadBrian
                    "in which case you would go to Accident & Emergency or phone an ambulence:" Your child falls down, cuts his knee and needs sutures: Not exactly something that requires an ambulance yet probably shouldn't wait until the next day. A GP would be cheaper than a trip to the ER at your local hospital.
                    Cheaper for who, it's all free for the patient?

                    A cheaper way to fund it? Not necessarily.

                    Most people wouldn't phone an ambulance for that, they would take them in the car to a drop in hospital or an ER where they may be sutured by a nurse.

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                    • BigBadBrian
                      TOASTMASTER GENERAL
                      • Jan 2004
                      • 10620

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Seshmeister

                      UK GPs get paid crazy amounts of money nowadays, it's ridiculous. They get twice as much as French doctors.
                      GP's here, known as Primary Care Managers or Primary Care Physicians, are the US's lowest paid physician. That's why all the new MD's try to get accepted to a program to be a cardiologist, neurologist, etc.
                      “If bullshit was currency, Joe Biden would be a billionaire.” - George W. Bush

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                      • Seshmeister
                        ROTH ARMY WEBMASTER

                        • Oct 2003
                        • 35163

                        #12
                        That's as it should be.

                        We've ended up the wrong way round.

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                        • binnie
                          DIAMOND STATUS
                          • May 2006
                          • 19144

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Seshmeister
                          Cheaper for who, it's all free for the patient?

                          A cheaper way to fund it? Not necessarily.

                          Most people wouldn't phone an ambulance for that, they would take them in the car to a drop in hospital or an ER where they may be sutured by a nurse.
                          Exactly. This is a storm in a tea-cup.
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                          • Seshmeister
                            ROTH ARMY WEBMASTER

                            • Oct 2003
                            • 35163

                            #14
                            I'm pretty sure that 500 000 people share each professional snooker player too...

                            In truth the real problem in most Western healthcare systems isn't primary care or hospitals it's old people.

                            Something like 2/3rds of all the spending goes on just looking after geriatrics and there isn't a lot that can be done about that.
                            Last edited by Seshmeister; 10-01-2012, 07:15 PM.

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                            • ELVIS
                              Banned
                              • Dec 2003
                              • 44120

                              #15
                              Originally posted by BigBadBrian
                              It's right above the byline for the article, Dummy! That is if you know what a byline is (doubtful).
                              Those steroids are making you feel like a real man, eh ??

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