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  • FORD
    ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

    • Jan 2004
    • 58754

    Defeat Romney, Without Illusions About Obama

    Defeat Romney, Without Illusions About Obama

    By Daniel Ellsberg, Reader Supported News

    18 October 12



    It is urgently important to prevent a Republican administration under Romney/Ryan from taking office in January 2013.

    The election is now just weeks away, and I want to urge those whose values are generally in line with mine -- progressives, especially activists -- to make this goal one of your priorities during this period.

    An activist colleague recently said to me: "I hear you're supporting Obama."

    I was startled, and took offense. "Supporting Obama? Me?!"

    "I lose no opportunity publicly," I told him angrily, to identify Obama as a tool of Wall Street, a man who's decriminalized torture and is still complicit in it, a drone assassin, someone who's launched an unconstitutional war, supports kidnapping and indefinite detention without trial, and has prosecuted more whistleblowers like myself than all previous presidents put together. "Would you call that support?"

    My friend said, "But on Democracy Now you urged people in swing states to vote for him! How could you say that? I don't live in a swing state, but I will not and could not vote for Obama under any circumstances."

    My answer was: a Romney/Ryan administration would be no better -- no different -- on any of the serious offenses I just mentioned or anything else, and it would be much worse, even catastrophically worse, on a number of other important issues: attacking Iran, Supreme Court appointments, the economy, women's reproductive rights, health coverage, safety net, climate change, green energy, the environment.

    I told him: "I don't 'support Obama.' I oppose the current Republican Party. This is not a contest between Barack Obama and a progressive candidate. The voters in a handful or a dozen close-fought swing states are going to determine whether Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan are going to wield great political power for four, maybe eight years, or not."

    As Noam Chomsky said recently, "The Republican organization today is extremely dangerous, not just to this country, but to the world. It's worth expending some effort to prevent their rise to power, without sowing illusions about the Democratic alternatives."

    Following that logic, he's said to an interviewer what my friend heard me say to Amy Goodman: "If I were a person in a swing state, I'd vote against Romney/Ryan, which means voting for Obama because there is no other choice."

    The election is at this moment a toss-up. That means this is one of the uncommon occasions when we progressives -- a small minority of the electorate -- could actually have a significant influence on the outcome of a national election, swinging it one way or the other.

    The only way for progressives and Democrats to block Romney from office, at this date, is to persuade enough people in swing states to vote for Obama: not stay home, or vote for someone else. And that has to include, in those states, progressives and disillusioned liberals who are at this moment inclined not to vote at all or to vote for a third-party candidate (because like me they've been not just disappointed but disgusted and enraged by much of what Obama has done in the last four years and will probably keep doing).

    They have to be persuaded to vote, and to vote in a battleground state for Obama not anyone else, despite the terrible flaws of the less-bad candidate, the incumbent. That's not easy. As I see it, that's precisely the "effort" Noam is referring to as worth expending right now to prevent the Republicans' rise to power. And it will take progressives -- some of you reading this, I hope -- to make that effort of persuasion effectively.

    It will take someone these disheartened progressives and liberals will listen to. Someone manifestly without illusions about the Democrats, someone who sees what they see when they look at the president these days: but who can also see through candidates Romney or Ryan on the split-screen, and keep their real, disastrous policies in focus.

    It's true that the differences between the major parties are not nearly as large as they and their candidates claim, let alone what we would want. It's even fair to use Gore Vidal's metaphor that they form two wings ("two right wings," as some have put it) of a single party, the Property or Plutocracy Party, or as Justin Raimondo says, the War Party.

    Still, the political reality is that there are two distinguishable wings, and one is reliably even worse than the other, currently much worse overall. To be in denial or to act in neglect of that reality serves only the possibly imminent, yet presently avoidable, victory of the worse.

    The traditional third-party mantra, "There's no significant difference between the major parties" amounts to saying: "The Republicans are no worse, overall." And that's absurd. It constitutes shameless apologetics for the Republicans, however unintended. It's crazily divorced from present reality.

    And it's not at all harmless to be propagating that absurd falsehood. It has the effect of encouraging progressives even in battleground states to refrain from voting or to vote in a close election for someone other than Obama, and more importantly, to influence others to act likewise.That's an effect that serves no one but the Republicans, and ultimately the 1 percent.

    It's not merely understandable, it's entirely appropriate to be enraged at Barack Obama. As I am. He has often acted outrageously, not merely timidly or "disappointingly." If impeachment were politically imaginable on constitutional grounds, he's earned it (like George W. Bush, and many of his predecessors!) It is entirely human to want to punish him, not to "reward" him with another term or a vote that might be taken to express trust, hope or approval.

    But rage is not generally conducive to clear thinking. And it often gets worked out against innocent victims, as would be the case here domestically, if refusals to vote for him resulted in Romney's taking key battleground states that decide the outcome of this election.

    To punish Obama in this particular way, on Election Day -- by depriving him of votes in swing states and hence of office in favor of Romney and Ryan -- would punish most of all the poor and marginal in society, and workers and middle class as well: not only in the U.S. but worldwide in terms of the economy (I believe the Republicans could still convert this recession to a Great Depression), the environment and climate change. It could well lead to war with Iran (which Obama has been creditably resisting, against pressure from within his own party). And it would spell, via Supreme Court appointments, the end of Roe v. Wade and of the occasional five to four decisions in favor of the Constitution and Bill of Rights.

    The reelection of Barack Obama, in itself, is not going to bring serious progressive change, end militarism and empire, or restore the Constitution and the rule of law. That's for us and the rest of the people to bring about after this election and in the rest of our lives -- through organizing, building movements and agitating.

    In the eight to twelve close-fought states -- especially Florida, Ohio, and Virginia, but also Colorado, Iowa, Michigan, Nevada, New Hampshire, North Carolina, Pennsylvania, Virginia and Wisconsin -- for any progressive to encourage fellow progressives and others in those states to vote for a third-party candidate is, I would say, to be complicit in facilitating the election of Romney and Ryan, with all its consequences.

    To think of that as urging people in swing states to "vote their conscience" is, I believe, dangerously misleading advice. I would say to a progressive that if your conscience tells you on Election Day to vote for someone other than Obama in a battleground state, you need a second opinion. Your conscience is giving you bad counsel.

    I often quote a line by Thoreau that had great impact for me: "Cast your whole vote: not a strip of paper merely, but your whole influence." He was referring, in that essay, to civil disobedience, or as he titled it himself, "Resistance to Civil Authority."

    It still means that to me. But this is a year when for people who think like me -- and who, unlike me, live in battleground states -- casting a strip of paper is also important. Using your whole influence this month to get others to do that, to best effect, is even more important.

    That means for progressives in the next couple of weeks -- in addition to the rallies, demonstrations, petitions, lobbying (largely against policies or prospective policies of President Obama, including austerity budgeting next month), movement-building and civil disobedience that are needed all year round and every year -- using one's voice and one's e-mails and op-eds and social media to encourage citizens in swing states to vote against a Romney victory by voting for the only real alternative, Barack Obama.

    Daniel Ellsberg is a former State and Defense Department official who has been arrested for acts of non-violent civil disobedience over eighty times, initially for copying and releasing the top secret Pentagon Papers, for which he faced 115 years in prison. Living in a non-swing state, he does not intend to vote for President Obama.
    Eat Us And Smile

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  • lesfunk
    Full Member Status

    • Jan 2004
    • 3560

    #2
    I live in a non swing state and I will not vote for Obama either
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    • FORD
      ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

      • Jan 2004
      • 58754

      #3
      Yeah, I can vote for Rocky with a clear conscience because I know that Satan will get an NHL franchise before Mittens & Munster win Washington state. Probably wouldn't be the same if I lived in Ohio or Pennsyvania though.
      Eat Us And Smile

      Cenk For America 2024!!

      Justice Democrats


      "If the American people had ever known the truth about what we (the BCE) have done to this nation, we would be chased down in the streets and lynched." - Poppy Bush, 1992

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      • jhale667
        DIAMOND STATUS
        • Aug 2004
        • 20929

        #4
        Originally posted by FORD
        As Noam Chomsky said recently, "The Republican organization today is extremely dangerous, not just to this country, but to the world. It's worth expending some effort to prevent their rise to power, without sowing illusions about the Democratic alternatives."
        ...Pretty much sums it up right there, doesn't it?




        Originally posted by conmee
        If anyone even thinks about deleting the Muff Thread they are banned.... no questions asked.

        That is all.

        Icon.
        Originally posted by GO-SPURS-GO
        I've seen prominent hypocrite liberal on this site Jhale667


        Originally posted by Isaac R.
        Then it's really true??:eek:

        The Muff Thread is really just GONE ???

        OMFG...who in their right mind...???
        Originally posted by eddie78
        I was wrong about you, brother. You're good.

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        • Satan
          ROTH ARMY ELITE
          • Jan 2004
          • 6664

          #5
          Beelze-bump! ^..^
          Eternally Under the Authority of Satan

          Originally posted by Sockfucker
          I've been in several mental institutions but not in Bakersfield.

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          • Nitro Express
            DIAMOND STATUS
            • Aug 2004
            • 32797

            #6
            Originally posted by FORD
            Yeah, I can vote for Rocky with a clear conscience because I know that Satan will get an NHL franchise before Mittens & Munster win Washington state. Probably wouldn't be the same if I lived in Ohio or Pennsyvania though.
            Rocky Anderson is not a liar. That's very rare in politics. He was not the best fiscal manager when he was mayor but he really did care about base constitutional values and individual rights. That's why he bolted from the Democratic party. Like the Republican party, it's hell bent to put the average person in their place.
            No! You can't have the keys to the wine cellar!

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            • Nitro Express
              DIAMOND STATUS
              • Aug 2004
              • 32797

              #7
              In short both the Republican and Democrat parties are bought and paid for by Goldman Sachs and other large financial interests. That's why you never see either Romney or Obama pointing their finger at each other accusing each other over taking Wall Street money. They both are guilty. If you have someone try and run against Wall Street in either party they will not get the nomination. Wall Street fucked Washington and the resulting bastard is the Republocrat Party. It's one fucked up siamese twin.

              One consistent I see is both Democrats and Republicans are scared the other guy is going to steal the election by using fraud. So that shows there isn't a whole lot of confidence in the polling system or the system in general. Also, most people seem to vote against somebody instead of for someone. It's either a vote against Obama or a vote against Romney.
              Last edited by Nitro Express; 11-05-2012, 01:41 PM.
              No! You can't have the keys to the wine cellar!

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              • kwame k
                TOASTMASTER GENERAL
                • Feb 2008
                • 11302

                #8
                I cannot, in good conscience, vote for either Romney or Obama!
                I really don't care if my vote for Rocky Anderson helps or hurts Obama or Romney! I'm voting for who I think is going to make the best President, period!
                Last edited by kwame k; 11-05-2012, 02:07 PM. Reason: Can't spell Romney!
                Originally posted by vandeleur
                E- Jesus . Playing both sides because he didnt understand the argument in the first place

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                • Nitro Express
                  DIAMOND STATUS
                  • Aug 2004
                  • 32797

                  #9
                  Originally posted by kwame k
                  I cannot, in good conscience, vote for either Romeny or Obama!
                  I really don't care if my vote for Rocky Anderson helps or hurts Obama or Romeny! I'm voting for who I think is going to make the best President, period!
                  The Democrat and Republican parties are just two opposing pistons in a boxer engine that propels the international banks and multi-national corporate agenda forward. That's why there is such a push for trade regions, consolidated currencies, international treaties, consolidated media and global taxes. Oh there still will be candidates and elections and lot's of choices on unimportant shit. The important stuff you will have limited choice or no choice on. I would say they are 2/3's of the way there. They don't seem to quite be able to coral us though. I doubt the European Union will hold together. Too many people waking up to the fact that bailing out a country is more like bailing out the bankers and sticking the citizens with the bill.

                  The main trick bankers pull is,"bail us out or there will be blood in the streets". In reality, letting the banks fail brings on a faster recovery. Oh there may be some civil unrest but that eventually comes later and a lot worse.
                  No! You can't have the keys to the wine cellar!

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