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Nickdfresh
10-27-2012, 03:36 PM
Trooper fired from chopper to stop truck, kills 2
By CHRISTOPHER SHERMAN and JUAN CARLOS LLORCA | Associated Press – 17 hrs ago

LA JOYA, Texas (AP) — A Texas state trooper who fired on a pickup truck from a helicopter and killed two illegal immigrants during a chase through the desert was trying to disable the vehicle and suspected it was being used to smuggle drugs, authorities said Friday.

The disclosure came a day after the incident that left two Guatemalan nationals dead on an isolated gravel road near the town of La Joya, just north of the Mexico border.

State game wardens were the first to encounter the truck Thursday. After the driver refused to stop, they radioed for help and state police responded, according to Parks and Wildlife Department spokesman Mike Cox.

When the helicopter with a sharpshooter arrived, officers concluded that the truck appeared to be carrying a "typical covered drug load" on its bed and was travelling at reckless speeds, police said.

After the shots were fired and the truck's tires blown out, the driver lost control and crashed into a ditch. State police said a preliminary investigation revealed that the shots fired from the helicopter struck the vehicle's occupants.

Eight people who were in the truck were arrested. At least seven of them were also from Guatemala. No drugs were found.

The Guatemalan consul in McAllen, Alba Caceres, told The Associated Press that the surviving witnesses told her "one died immediately, the other was apparently taken to a hospital and died on the way."

The sharpshooter was placed on administrative leave, a standard procedure after such incidents.

An expert on police chases said the decision to fire on the truck was "a reckless act" that served "no legitimate law enforcement purpose."

"In 25 years following police pursuits, I hadn't seen a situation where an officer shot a speeding vehicle from a helicopter," said Geoffrey Alpert, professor of criminology at the University of South Carolina. Such action would be reasonable only if "you know for sure the person driving the car deserves to die and that there are no other occupants."

In general, he said, law enforcement agencies allow the use of deadly force only when the car is being used as a weapon, not "just on a hunch," Alpert added.

The Texas Department of Public Safety referred questions about its policy governing the use of deadly force to its general manual, which says troopers are allowed to use such force when defending themselves or someone else from serious harm or death. Shooting at vehicles is justified to disable a vehicle or when deadly force is deemed necessary.

Other law enforcement agencies that patrol the border say they have similar limits on the practice.

For instance, federal Customs and Borders Protection agents "are trained to use deadly force in circumstances that pose a threat to their lives, the lives of their fellow law enforcement partners and innocent third parties," agency spokesman Doug Mosier said.

But a report presented Thursday to the United Nations by the American Civil Liberties Union said shootings and excessive force by Customs and Border Protection agents on the border have left at least 20 individuals dead or seriously hurt since January 2010.

Of those, eight cases involved agents responding to reports of people throwing rocks. Six involved people killed while standing on the Mexican side of the border.

In recent years, Texas state police have increased their presence in the border area, deploying more agents, more helicopters and more boats to patrol the Rio Grande.

Troopers are regularly involved in high-speed pursuits, often chasing drug smugglers into the river and back to Mexico.

Agency Director Stephen McCraw has said state police were pushed into that role because the federal government's efforts to secure the border have been insufficient.

Diplomats quickly began their own investigation into the chase.

The head of the Guatemalan Consulate in McAllen said she is demanding federal and state authorities provide an explanation.

"I am baffled. I can't understand how this could happen," Caceres said. "I understand that the agents are doing their job, that they are protecting their border. But if there is someone who is responsible for this, he has to pay."

The Guatemalans started their journey 19 days ago near Guatemala City, with plans to stay with friends and relatives in New York, New Jersey and Houston, she said.

They were covered with a tarp, but as the car sped away from the game warden and the helicopter, the men "were having lots of trouble holding on to that tarp, Caceres said. "They must have seen them."

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Associated Press Writer Romina Ruiz-Goiriena in Guatemala City contributed to this report.

Yahoo.com (http://news.yahoo.com/trooper-fired-chopper-stop-truck-kills-2-013027265.html)

Nickdfresh
10-27-2012, 03:37 PM
And who needs Predator Drones when you have macho, trigger-happy cunts like this?

motherchicken
10-27-2012, 08:02 PM
Such action would be reasonable only if "you know for sure the person driving the car deserves to die and that there are no other occupants."

I told you they had a law in Texas where you could shoot somebody and just say they needed killing and get away with it. I'll bet no one believed me.

clarathecarrot
10-27-2012, 08:07 PM
Many idiots should never be trusted with a gun,.... police or civilian.

This link I posted, is about a car theft and a chase and the cornering on a dead end street/.. by several high performance 100K $ persuit cop cars..... of a young stupid thief and how she was murdered for a 2K lb chunk of 30 years old,.. 200 dollar car, steel, ....murder over pot......? Just as bad.

The main problem facing us all is the elevation of, "minor charges" ...."to felony" it all needs to be reworked.....< read this sentence 2x please.

I wouldn't want my car stolen but it isn't worth a human life.


http://www.rotharmy.com/forums/showthread.php?66227-I-Am-NOT-George....&p=1688578&viewfull=1#post1688578

motherchicken
10-27-2012, 08:10 PM
If you watch shows like Cops you'll notice the cops accuse almost every driver that flees of trying to run them down or ram their car even if they just plain old don't stop. I guess they figure they need to to justify the beat down they usually administer to the drivers and sometimes the passengers when they catch them.
I'm all for busting illegals and drug runners trying to cross the border but shooting at anyone fleeing that's not shooting back is not justifiable. It would be a little different if they were hauling ass towards crowds of people but theses fucks were hauling ass in the desert.

clarathecarrot
10-27-2012, 08:24 PM
90% of cops spend 20 years to get to thier retirement and never use their guns other than as a third cock to impress bitches.

They sit in thier cars for 20 years pulling little old ladies over and writing them tickets.

Some, I feel watch these cop shows and think it is reality they become cops and make bad decisions when the situations, arise.

The outline of crimes and their punishments is completely in dissaray.

motherchicken
10-27-2012, 08:37 PM
I wouldn't want my car stolen but it isn't worth a human life.


Depends on which one of my cars you're talking about. If you're talking about my fully insured including gap insurance daily driver then have at it. If you're talking about my weekend ride I spent hundreds of hours and thousands of dollars restoring then don't be suprised if I open fire on your ass with whatever firearm I can grab.

Nitro Express
10-27-2012, 08:46 PM
Depends on which one of my cars you're talking about. If you're talking about my fully insured including gap insurance daily driver then have at it. If you're talking about my weekend ride I spent hundreds of hours and thousands of dollars restoring then don't be suprised if I open fire on your ass with whatever firearm I can grab.

I spent hours color sanding and polishing a show car. I'm to the point where the next car is just going to be a rat. I'm getting this rat rod concept finally. Show cars are a shit load of work and my oh my, do they get dirty fast. You get out the California duster. You hit it with some Meguire's detailer you can go totally OCD on this shit.

Nitro Express
10-27-2012, 08:54 PM
As far as cops go, you get what you pay for. I'm amazed at how little police officers are paid. When my dad was in intensive care one of his nurses was a former cop. He became a nurse because the police department pay was pathetic. You just aren't going to get decent people paying chicken feed.

motherchicken
10-27-2012, 08:58 PM
I spent hours color sanding and polishing a show car. I'm to the point where the next car is just going to be a rat. I'm getting this rat rod concept finally. Show cars are a shit load of work and my oh my, do they get dirty fast. You get out the California duster. You hit it with some Meguire's detailer you can go totally OCD on this shit.
I'm not going the rat rod route but my next project will be more go than show. I'm thinking a primered 40's or early 50's gasser.

motherchicken
10-27-2012, 09:03 PM
As far as cops go, you get what you pay for. I'm amazed at how little police officers are paid. When my dad was in intensive care one of his nurses was a former cop. He became a nurse because the police department pay was pathetic. You just aren't going to get decent people paying chicken feed.
My buddy's kid is a correctional officer. He make about 40 bucks an hour. And he's only been on the job a couple years. Not too shabby. Cops pay depends on where they work. LAPD and LA County Sheriffs as well as CHP do fairly well.