Romney on FEMA

[Nickdfresh]

Mitt Romney avoids FEMA questions 14 times after Hurricane Sandy (Video)

October 31, 2012
By: Bruce Baker

Governor Mitt Romney dodged FEMA questions Tuesday during a storm relief rally in the wake of Hurricane Sandy. After the superstorm, Romney avoided questions about the federal relief agency not once but 14 times. After suggesting the agency's role should be cut or abolished altogether during a debate with John King last year, the Republican candidate is facing stiff controversy.

During a live October 31 broadcast from CNN, Soledad O'Obrien reported on claims by media sources and political pundits that the former Massachusetts governor's position in the past is questionable.

Wednesday, Businessweek said that politicians like Romney, whose position it is to cut government to balance budgets, often face controversy when faced with iron-clad proof that the agency works in times of disaster.

Mitt Romney's anti-FEMA comments to CNN's John King during a Republican debate last June came to light Tuesday when the former governor faced a bevy of questions on his stance. However, time after time, Romney ignored questions on his current stance.

Here's a transcript of his exchange with King:

"We should take all of what we’re doing at the federal level and say, what are the things we’re doing that we don’t have to do? And those things we’ve got to stop doing, because we’re borrowing $1.6 trillion more this year than we’re taking in. We cannot—" Romney said, responding to the question about FEMA's role in government, should he be elected president.

"Including disaster relief, though?" King asks.

"We cannot afford to do those things without jeopardizing the future for our kids. It is simply immoral, in my view, for us to continue to rack up larger and larger debts and pass them on to our kids, knowing full well that we’ll all be dead and gone before it’s paid off. It makes no sense at all," says Ronney

In the wake of Superstorm Sandy, many individuals and businesses are praising the Federal Emergency Management Agency for its efforts in expediting disaster relief to those in need.

President Barack Obama is being hailed by GOP adversaries like Chris Christie for stepping up and responding to state's request for aid. Ahead of Hurricane Sandy's approach, the POTUS gave verbal declarations of disaster. This allowed aid to be expedited to states for emergency funds without the need for red-tape.

With many boots on the ground even before the storm came ashore in most states, the disaster-relief agency obviously learned from lessons in the past.

Romney's rep denied allegations that Mitt wants to abolish the federal disaster-relief agency. Instead, he claims the former governor was only suggesting that he is in favor of funding agencies that are working. However, if states or private sectors can act more efficiently, he was open to it.

As the Huffington Post pointed out, Romney's campaign quickly clarified the candidate's position. A rep said:

"Governor Romney believes that states should be in charge of emergency management in responding to storms and other natural disasters in their jurisdictions. As the first responders, states are in the best position to aid affected individuals and communities and to direct resources and assistance to where they are needed most. This includes help from the federal government and FEMA."

Is Mitt Romney anti-FEMA or suffering from "Romnesia?"

Examiner Link (http://www.examiner.com/article/mitt-romney-avoids-fema-questions-14-times-after-hurricane-sandy)

[Va Beach VH Fan]

For those keeping score at home, today marks three weeks since Mitt Romney last took a question from a reporter.— Garrett Haake (@GarrettNBCNews) October 31, 2012

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"Start swimming you lazy plebeians! You want to rely on handouts from the government?!"

[jhale667]

I sure hope all the GOP'ers in the impacted areas refused all that evil big government aid...

[Va Beach VH Fan]

This guy is un-fucking-believable !!!

http://www.boston.com/politicalintelligence/2012/10/31/mitt-romney-voices-stronger-support-for-fema/6i7wW1bPskqRY73mAptYzM/story.html

“I believe that FEMA plays a key role in working with states and localities to prepare for and respond to natural disasters,” Romney said in a statement. “As president, I will ensure FEMA has the funding it needs to fulfill its mission, while directing maximum resources to the first responders who work tirelessly to help those in need, because states and localities are in the best position to get aid to the individuals and communities affected by natural disasters.”

[Va Beach VH Fan]

I mean, seriously, how in the fuck can ANYONE trust this guy !!

[jhale667]

This guy is un-fucking-believable !!!

http://www.boston.com/politicalintelligence/2012/10/31/mitt-romney-voices-stronger-support-for-fema/6i7wW1bPskqRY73mAptYzM/story.html

“I believe that FEMA plays a key role in working with states and localities to prepare for and respond to natural disasters,” Romney said in a statement. “As president, I will ensure FEMA has the funding it needs to fulfill its mission, while directing maximum resources to the first responders who work tirelessly to help those in need, because states and localities are in the best position to get aid to the individuals and communities affected by natural disasters.”


If people still are stupid enough to vote for this useless fuck after this... un-fucking-believable indeed.

[LoungeMachine]

We all said this same thing in 2000........

:gulp:

It aint over, til its over......

[jhale667]

We all said this same thing in 2000........

:gulp:

It aint over, til its over......


And that's the truly fucking scary scary part. It wasn't nearly as clear a choice in 2000 as it is now. It's BEYOND night and day. Sorry, but anyone who votes for that grifter-slimeball Romney after this needs to fuck off and die.

Romney Camp’s Contrived Disaster Relief Event Used Staged Donations (http://liberal-agenda.com/2012/10/romney-camps-contrived-disaster-relief-event-used-staged-donations/)

http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h217/jhale667/416855_286697638109040_757460678_n.jpg

Newsflash, Shitt: There was no real damage in OHIO. He's a sniveling, opportunistic shitbag. Fuck, I thought I hated the guy before...he's beneath contempt. And therefore so is anyone who votes for him, or continues to talk him up here as some kind of "better alternative" to Obama. It's a fucking character defect on your part.

I actually have a tiny bit of respect for Chris Krispie now, too - sure, he's a morbidly obese pompous blowhard, but at LEAST he had the integrity to put partisan bullshit aside. He even went off on FAUX and Friends:



Hear the FAUX dude choke up when he sheepishly tries to agree "That's...what we wanna hear..." :lmao:

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[Satan]

What Mittens should have said in Ohio is this....


"If my Hart Intercivic electro-fraud machines work the way they should, and the Obama campaign pussies out like he did in the first debate (and like Judas IsKerryot did in 2004) then I expect to be illegitimately sworn in as pResident of the (no longer) United States."

[jhale667]

Pretty much...:rolleyes:

[jhale667]

http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h217/jhale667/RTR39TZV.jpg

"...Uh, should I hug him too?"

[LoungeMachine]

The staged "donation drive" of canned goods Team Romney bought at Wal Mart [ironic] and gave to supporters to give to Romney for a photo-op "donation" has to be THE dumbest move by a national campaign in 50 years.....

:gulp:

Dumbass woudve been better off manning a Red cross Phone Bank taking cash donations.

HOW DO THESE PEOPLE KEEP THEIR JOBS??????

[ELVIS]

And Obama hugging the ugly white woman isn't a photo-op ??

[sadaist]

Perhaps less New Yorkers would be swimming if the leaders spent more time worrying about storm proofing a coastal city & preparing for a disaster and less time worrying about & dictating how large your Pepsi can be. Just a thought.

[sadaist]

And Obama hugging the ugly white woman isn't a photo-op ??


When I did that they called it a marriage :(

[LoungeMachine]

And Obama hugging the ugly white woman isn't a photo-op ??

You're really equating the 2?

:gulp:

Take your meds.

[LoungeMachine]

Perhaps less New Yorkers would be swimming if the leaders spent more time worrying about storm proofing a coastal city & preparing for a disaster and less time worrying about & dictating how large your Pepsi can be. Just a thought.

Oh, you mean spending money on infrastructure???

:gulp:

Welcome to our side, finally....

[Satan]

Bloomberg could pay for that out of his own pocket. Hell, its the least he could do, since he seems to have declared himself "Mayor for Life".

[Va Beach VH Fan]

Oh, you mean spending money on infrastructure???

:gulp:

Welcome to our side, finally....

DAMMIT, you beat me to it.... ;)

[LoungeMachine]

Hmmmm....

Just imagine, us [the government] paying ourselves [the people] to prepare and defend ourselves and our infrastructure against attack from an enemy [mother nature]

We become safer, we become more employed, and no huge corporations take 20-30% profits off the top.

:gulp:

Socialists!!!!!!!!!!!!

[BigBadBrian]

After the superstorm, Romney avoided questions about the federal relief agency not once but 14 times.

Kind of like Obama dodging questions about his Administration's fuck-up about Benghazi, huh?

[ELVIS]

Hmmmm....

Just imagine, us [the government] paying ourselves [the people] to prepare and defend ourselves and our infrastructure against attack from an enemy [mother nature]

:gulp:

Socialists!!!!!!!!!!!!

War on Mother Nature™ ??

Probably not a GRATE idea...


:biggrin:

[Nickdfresh]

Kind of like Obama dodging questions about his Administration's fuck-up about Benghazi, huh?

Oh my! Tit for tatatat!! Well, the truth is the Benghazi is a non-issue to anyone but the most partisan of jackoffs playing "gotcha politics". Romney's overall attitude towards the use of gov't resources in the face of natural disasters isn't a non-issue and probably will be the thing that pushes Romney "forward" (over the cliff)...

[lesfunk]

I dealt with FEMA personally two years ago when my property was under water from a catastrophic flood. FEMA didn't do shit for me but it creates jobs for a bunch of govt. paper pushers. Which is what I think it was really created for in the first place.

[VAiN]

Hmmmm....

Just imagine, us [the government] paying ourselves [the people] to prepare and defend ourselves and our infrastructure against attack from an enemy [mother nature]

We become safer, we become more employed, and no huge corporations take 20-30% profits off the top.

:gulp:

Socialists!!!!!!!!!!!!

My issue with that is the money comes from us.. so we're not really generating jobs, they're govt jobs.

[jhale667]

Kind of like Obama dodging questions about his Administration's fuck-up about Benghazi, huh?

STFU (http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h217/jhale667/65341_495644767136612_892358059_n.jpg) about Benghazi already, you fucking hypocrite.

Here's how your guy's looking about now - back on fucking topic...

http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h217/jhale667/Wrongneydisasterresponsefail.jpg

[jhale667]

My issue with that is the money comes from us.. so we're not really generating jobs, they're govt jobs.

Please explain... How is a government job "not really a job" if it's paying your rent or mortgage, car payment, supporting your family, etc.? And how is an investment in infrastructure ever a bad thing? :umm: Ever heard the adage "it takes money to make money"? How, if we don't invest in it for the future - as well as what's crumbling of it now - are we ever supposed to regain competitiveness in the World market? We're being outpaced by all the countries that invested in infrastructure while we were spending trillions on two useless wars last time I checked...

[Dr. Love]

Please explain... How is a government job "not really a job" if it's paying your rent or mortgage, car payment, supporting your family, etc.? And how is an investment in infrastructure ever a bad thing? :umm: Ever heard the adage "it takes money to make money"? How, if we don't invest in it for the future - as well as what's crumbling of it now - are we ever supposed to regain competitiveness in the World market? We're being outpaced by all the countries that invested in infrastructure while we were spending trillions on two useless wars last time I checked...

So then, why doesn't the government give everyone jobs? We'd all be able to pay our rent or mortgage, car payment, support our families, etc, right?

[Satan]

So then, why doesn't the government give everyone jobs? We'd all be able to pay our rent or mortgage, car payment, support our families, etc, right?

Obviously the government doesn't have to employ everyone.

But if the government employed enough people to implement a large scale infrastructure program - as FDR and Eisenhower did - then companies which made the materials needed for those projects would need to hire. Companies that transport those materials from the factories to the job sites would need to hire. Retail businesses would sell a lot more stuff to people who had good jobs and money to spend, so they would need to hire, and the companies that make the stuff they sell would also need to hire.

Supply side economics is dragonshit, and the last 30 years proves it. It's time to return to what actually works in reality, and that is DEMAND side economics. And yeah, it's going to take some spending to get things rolling. Deficit spending even. But at least THIS will bring a return on the investment. Unlike the billions (or is it trillions now?) wasted in Iraq and Afghanistan, which has brought NOTHING of any positive value for your country.

[jhale667]

So then, why doesn't the government give everyone jobs? We'd all be able to pay our rent or mortgage, car payment, support our families, etc, right?



Jesus, could that BE any more ridiculous, over-the-top Strawman bullshit? Even your (excellent as usual) sig pic couldn't distract from that steamer. :shiznit:

[LoungeMachine]

My issue with that is the money comes from us.. so we're not really generating jobs, they're govt jobs.

Wrong.

And of course the money comes from us, where else the fuck should it come from? Are we expecting roads and bridges for free???

And everytime an infrastructure job is created, those workers create more demand for food, housing, services, etc.

:gulp:

This isnt welfare......WE NEED INFRASTRUCTURE AND IT COSTS MONEY

[Dr. Love]

Obviously the government doesn't have to employ everyone.

But if the government employed enough people to implement a large scale infrastructure program - as FDR and Eisenhower did - then companies which made the materials needed for those projects would need to hire. Companies that transport those materials from the factories to the job sites would need to hire. Retail businesses would sell a lot more stuff to people who had good jobs and money to spend, so they would need to hire, and the companies that make the stuff they sell would also need to hire.

Supply side economics is dragonshit, and the last 30 years proves it. It's time to return to what actually works in reality, and that is DEMAND side economics. And yeah, it's going to take some spending to get things rolling. Deficit spending even. But at least THIS will bring a return on the investment. Unlike the billions (or is it trillions now?) wasted in Iraq and Afghanistan, which has brought NOTHING of any positive value for your country.

FORD, I agree with infrastructure investment - but the obvious question is that if the government is the engine driving job growth, what happens when the infrastructure is completely rebuilt and the demand vanishes? What will happen to the companies that supply and transport the materials? What will happen to their employees? Once they cut back their workforce to match their new level of demand, what happens to all the things those families can no longer afford to buy? What happens as the effect of diminished demand ripples throughout the economy?

Government expenditure isn't a sustainable model for economic growth.

[LoungeMachine]

240 years we've been building this country.....have we ever been close to "done".

:gulp:

We're (re) building a country, not a shopping mall. It will never be "done" No bridge lasts forever.

[Dr. Love]

Jesus, could that BE any more ridiculous, over-the-top Strawman bullshit? Even your (excellent as usual) sig pic couldn't distract from that steamer. :shiznit:

I didn't expect you could answer the question; it was rhetorical.

Jhale, I'm sure you have more in your repertoire of responses than "FAIL" and insults. Try to branch out a little more. You're going to wear out those 4 keys at the rate you rely on them.

[Dr. Love]

240 years we've been building this country.....have we ever been close to "done".

:gulp:

We're (re) building a country, not a shopping mall. It will never be "done" No bridge lasts forever.

I don't think we should be building for the sake of building, either. If we do what you're suggesting, more and more of the economy will gear itself around building ... and when we ARE done, when the only thing left is to maintain what's been built, it'll all crash.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-19049254

Eventually it'll grind to a halt and fall apart.

[LoungeMachine]

I'm not suggesting digging ditches so someone else can be paid to fill them in.....

I'm talking about roads, bridges, power lines, seawalls, damn, tunnels, reservoirs....

:gulp:

How about nation building THIS one for a change?

[Dr. Love]

I agree in rebuilding infrastructure. They are doing huge projects in Dallas/Fort Worth right now. They've rebuilt 7 freeways and built 2 new ones. They've rebuilt all the bridges. They've rebuilt a large amount of the roads. They're digging new lakes. They're even putting new underground HOV lanes under at least 1 freeway.

All of these projects have completion dates. Many of them are ahead of schedule. There is an army of people working around here. These things are built to last, with maintenance, for decades. So once my city is completely rebuilt, what should all these people do next?

[VAiN]

Please explain... How is a government job "not really a job" if it's paying your rent or mortgage, car payment, supporting your family, etc.? And how is an investment in infrastructure ever a bad thing? :umm: Ever heard the adage "it takes money to make money"? How, if we don't invest in it for the future - as well as what's crumbling of it now - are we ever supposed to regain competitiveness in the World market? We're being outpaced by all the countries that invested in infrastructure while we were spending trillions on two useless wars last time I checked...

I never said investing in infrastructure is a bad thing, I agree it's needed, so take it down a notch, ok?
Where does the govt get the funds to create these jobs? A govt job is paid for by the tax payer - you & me - and it's paid for by taxing you & me. That's the point I'm making.

[jhale667]

I agree in rebuilding infrastructure. They are doing huge projects in Dallas/Fort Worth right now. They've rebuilt 7 freeways and built 2 new ones. They've rebuilt all the bridges. They've rebuilt a large amount of the roads. They're digging new lakes. They're even putting new underground HOV lanes under at least 1 freeway.

All of these projects have completion dates. Many of them are ahead of schedule. There is an army of people working around here. These things are built to last, with maintenance, for decades. So once my city is completely rebuilt, what should all these people do next?

Why must you go worst-case scenario with it, and then try to come off like the "reasonable" one? Think for a second: Won't these people (assuming they were hired and trained for the project per your description? You said "an army" not THE Army, yes?) then have transferable skills that would allow them to at the very least be more readily hire-able once that project ends? Slightly myopic thinking there reasonable guy...


My repertoire of insults is far more vast and varied - as you well know, but if you are *(and you are)* indeed FAILing... :biggrin:

[jhale667]

I never said investing in infrastructure is a bad thing, I agree it's needed, so take it down a notch, ok?
Where does the govt get the funds to create these jobs? A govt job is paid for by the tax payer - you & me - and it's paid for by taxing you & me. That's the point I'm making.

Sorry, didn't realize it was above a notch...
Of course we're paying for it, but who better to give your money to then yourself (however indirectly and altruistically) and future generations? Won't better infrastructure create more business (ease of travel, more reliable data connections, a better educated and trained workforce) create more tax revenue that would bear out the investment over time? Would you rather your money go to that, or financing another mega-corporation's tax break? :confused:

[VAiN]

Wrong.

And of course the money comes from us, where else the fuck should it come from? Are we expecting roads and bridges for free???

And everytime an infrastructure job is created, those workers create more demand for food, housing, services, etc.

:gulp:

This isnt welfare......WE NEED INFRASTRUCTURE AND IT COSTS MONEY

Wrong.

When did I say any fucking thing about infrastructure?? And why can't it be built by private companies at no cost to me and all the benefits you listed above?

[Va Beach VH Fan]

I'm not suggesting digging ditches so someone else can be paid to fill them in.....

I'm talking about roads, bridges, power lines, seawalls, damn, tunnels, reservoirs....

:gulp:

How about nation building THIS one for a change?

Allow me to add wind and solar farms...

[jhale667]

Wrong.

When did I say any fucking thing about infrastructure?? And why can't it be built by private companies at no cost to me and all the benefits you listed above?

Umm... the motivation of profit, perhaps?

[Satan]

No infrastructure should ever be a for profit business. But the KKKochwhores want EVERYthing to be privatized and for profit.

Listen here as a KKKoch funded CATO industry douchebag tells Thom Hartmann that ALL roads should be privatized and toll roads, so that ONLY THE RICH CAN FUCKING DRIVE!!

[Dr. Love]

I never said investing in infrastructure is a bad thing, I agree it's needed, so take it down a notch, ok?
Where does the govt get the funds to create these jobs? A govt job is paid for by the tax payer - you & me - and it's paid for by taxing you & me. That's the point I'm making.

I think jhale is so used to attacking people he disagrees with that it's become his standard response. ;)

[Dr. Love]

Why must you go worst-case scenario with it, and then try to come off like the "reasonable" one? Think for a second: Won't these people (assuming they were hired and trained for the project per your description? You said "an army" not THE Army, yes?) then have transferable skills that would allow them to at the very least be more readily hire-able once that project ends? Slightly myopic thinking there reasonable guy...


My repertoire of insults is far more vast and varied - as you well know, but if you are *(and you are)* indeed FAILing... :biggrin:

Deep breaths, everything's all right ... you're gonna be okay there, killer. You don't have to leap up and point and scream "FAIL FAIL FAIL" at everything you disagree with.

It's a bunch of dudes building roads. They've rebuilt practically all the major roads already. I guess when the demand for road building suddenly diminishes, they'll all go get office jobs somewhere with that highly-transferable road-building skill set.

How about you take your own advice and take THAT up a notch ... next time, don't think for a second, think for a few minutes, and resist the urge to fling poo at people that disagree with you.

[Dr. Love]

No infrastructure should ever be a for profit business. But the KKKochwhores want EVERYthing to be privatized and for profit.

Listen here as a KKKoch funded CATO industry douchebag tells Thom Hartmann that ALL roads should be privatized and toll roads, so that ONLY THE RICH CAN FUCKING DRIVE!!



I'd ask what all you think shouldn't be allowed to be done for profit, but it may just save us all some time if you published a list of approved "for-profit" activities.

[LoungeMachine]

Wrong.

When did I say any fucking thing about infrastructure?? And why can't it be built by private companies at no cost to me and all the benefits you listed above?


My issue with that is the money comes from us.. so we're not really generating jobs, they're govt jobs.


Seriously, wow.

Contradict much?

:gulp:


Jesus Christ on a fucking Triscuit.

PRIVATE COMPANIES DONT CHOOSE TO BUILD BRIDGES OUT OF THE GOODNESS OF THEIR HEARTS, DUMBASS

WE hire them to build them.

Fuck I hate this place sometimes. It's like talking to 5 year olds.


So let me get this straight.....you're FINE with building the nation's infrastructure, just so long as you dont have to pay for it.

[LoungeMachine]

My issue with that is the money comes from us.. so we're not really generating jobs, they're govt jobs.

No, they're really not.....

The Dept, of Homeland Security doesnt swing a hammer.....

The Dept. of The Interior doesnt pave a road....

WE hire PRIVATE COMPANIES to build our infrastructure, and in turn they hire US to do the work.

*shakes head*

:gulp:

I need a drink.

[Satan]

I'd ask what all you think shouldn't be allowed to be done for profit, but it may just save us all some time if you published a list of approved "for-profit" activities.

The list of things that should NOT be for profit is probably shorter....

Infrastructure
Energy
Health Care
Education
Defense (that's ACTUAL defense.... not the "Defense" industry, which should not exist at all)

Pretty much everything else should be in the properly regulated private sector.

[jhale667]

How about you take your own advice and take THAT up a notch ... next time, don't think for a second, think for a few minutes, and resist the urge to fling poo at people that disagree with you.

Giving yourself a little too much credit there, Sparky. I did think about it, and turns out flinging poo was the appropriate response.


SMH... in total agreement with Lounge: Jameson on the rocks, please. :gulp:

[jhale667]

http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h217/jhale667/523371_10151226227719684_1994290283.jpg

[jhale667]

I think jhale is so used to attacking people he disagrees with that it's become his standard response. ;)

I think VAIN's response you quoted was actually to Lounge, but go on with your bad self.

[Dr. Love]

Giving yourself a little too much credit there, Sparky. I did think about it, and turns out flinging poo was the appropriate response.


So you're saying that's the best you could come up with after thinking about it.

:gulp:

And here I thought you were capable of so much more. ;)

[Dr. Love]

I think VAIN's response you quoted was actually to Lounge, but go on with your bad self.

I didn't even notice! Guess I quoted the wrong post.

[jhale667]

I didn't even notice! Guess I quoted the wrong post.

And here I thought you were capable of so much more.... :lmao:

[Dr. Love]

Well this is awkward, Jhale. I just looked and VAiN was quoting you.

Looks like I'm going to have to revise down my expectations of you!

[jhale667]

Way ahead of you on that tip! :D

[Nickdfresh]

So then, why doesn't the government give everyone jobs? We'd all be able to pay our rent or mortgage, car payment, support our families, etc, right?

The strawman arguments are strong in you, lately. Nobody said anything about the gov't giving everyone a job, just that gov't workers certainly contribute to our consumerist economy by buying lots of shit with their salaries and pensions. And while some gov't jobs have expanded, many localities and states have cut jobs...and found it had a negative effect on the economy...

[Nickdfresh]

My issue with that is the money comes from us.. so we're not really generating jobs, they're govt jobs.

How much does not fucking responding to natural disasters cost? How much does having shitty roads (for instance) cost American consumers every year in car repairs? I believe it is in the billion$?

[BigBadBrian]

WE hire PRIVATE COMPANIES to build our infrastructure, and in turn they hire US to do the work.


True, and that's all fine and well...except when we borrow money from China for these "shovel ready" right now "stimulus" projects.

[DavidLeeNatra]

sometimes all I can do is shake my head while I'm reading this shit here...

people are dying, people live without electricity, food and whathaveyou...and instead of saying, "we are one nation and help each other, no matter what" you go..."oh no, don't ask the government, it's socialism"

when I was in the US last year, I thought the last time I saw fucked up roads and bridges like I saw there was in Rumania...

[FORD]

True, and that's all fine and well...except when we borrow money from China for these "shovel ready" right now "stimulus" projects.

Because borrowing money from China to waste it on invading third world shitholes and killing millions of people is such a much better investment, right?

[ZahZoo]

Because borrowing money from China to waste it on invading third world shitholes and killing millions of people is such a much better investment, right?

How about some fairly factual information on what China owns debt wise... It's not as much as most people believe.

The U.S. debt was more than $14.3 trillion during the so-called debt crisis of 2011, when the level of borrowing reached its statutory limit and the president warned of a potential default if the cap wasn't raised.

See also: 5 Presidents Who Raised the Debt Ceiling

So who owns all that U.S. debt?

About 32 cents for every dollar of U.S. debt, or $4.6 trillion, is owned by the federal government in trust funds, for Social Security and other programs such as retirement accounts, according to the U.S. Department of Treasury.
China and U.S. Debt

The largest portion of U.S. debt, 68 cents for every dollar or about $10 trillion, is owned by individual investors, corporations, state and local governments and, yes, even foreign governments such as China that hold Treasury bills, notes and bonds.

Foreign governments hold about 46 percent of all U.S. debt held by the public, more than $4.5 trillion. The largest foreign holder of U.S. debt is China, which owns more about $1.2 trillion in bills, notes and bonds, according to the Treasury.

In total, China owns about 8 percent of publicly held U.S. debt. Of all the holders of U.S. debt China is the third-largest, behind only the Social Security Trust Fund's holdings of nearly $3 trillion and the Federal Reserve's nearly $2 trillion holdings in Treasury investments, purchased as part of its quantitative easing program to boost the economy.
Criticism of China Owning U.S. Debt

To put China's ownership of U.S. debt in perspective, its holding of $1.2 trillion is even larger than the amount owned by American households. U.S. citizens hold only about $959 billion in U.S. debt, according to the Federal Reserve.

Other large foreign holders of U.S. debt include Japan, which owns $912 billion; the United Kingdom, which owns $347 billion; Brazil, which holds $211 billion; Taiwan, which holds $153 billion; and Hong Kong, which owns $122 billion.

See also: Debt Ceiling History

Some Republicans have expressed concern over the amount of U.S. debt owned by China. Republican U.S. Rep. Michele Bachmann, a 2012 presidential hopeful, joked that when it came to the debt "Hu's your daddy," a reference to Chinese President Hu Jintao.

Despite such joking, the truth is the bulk of the $14.3 trillion U.S. debt - $9.8 trillion in all - is owned by the American people and its government.

That's the good news.

The bad news?

That's still a lot of IOUs.

http://usgovinfo.about.com/od/moneymatters/ss/How-Much-US-Debt-Does-China-Own.htm

[Dr. Love]

The strawman arguments are strong in you, lately. Nobody said anything about the gov't giving everyone a job, just that gov't workers certainly contribute to our consumerist economy by buying lots of shit with their salaries and pensions. And while some gov't jobs have expanded, many localities and states have cut jobs...and found it had a negative effect on the economy...

As I said; the question was rhetorical, not an argument. Some people here act like the solution is as simple as increasing spending to hire more employees.

Government jobs are different than private sector jobs in that they take money away from citizens that would otherwise be used to purchase goods and services.

If it were as simple as is being suggested around here, we wouldn't have the problems we have.

It's like we forgot that the economy got into trouble in the first place by overbuilding. Now the solution is to do it again?

[Va Beach VH Fan]

It's like we forgot that the economy got into trouble in the first place by overbuilding. Now the solution is to do it again?

I think in terms of infrastructure though, this would be proactive, rather than reactive....

Repair bridges before another one falls into the water....

Burying electric cables, drastically reducing power outages and upgrading a severely outdated power grid system....

Building wind and solar farms to reduce the load on the electric grid....

I certainly don't consider that would be "overbuilding".....

[FORD]

Remember the article from a couple months back about Tesla building charging stations for their cars in the Southwest US?

This is the kind of infrastructure project that needs to be happening everywhere. But when it comes down to the question of the private sector vs the public sector doing it, it would become an issue of standards & compatibility. Tesla obviously would like to have their cars be able to be used for long road trips, so they have a motivation to build charging stations in every state. But would the Tesla stations work with a Chevy Volt, a Nissan Leaf, or whatever other electric vehicles will emerge in the next few years. (Full disclosure.... I'm not an expert on the technical details of all of these EV's now, so I'm not sure whether compatibility is a problem currently or not)

But a national public works project would be designed to build charging stations for all kinds of electric vehicles, rather than just one brand.

[Dr. Love]

Building is all good and fine. But you can't do it forever.

[Nickdfresh]

True, and that's all fine and well...except when we borrow money from China for these "shovel ready" right now "stimulus" projects.

Better than borrowing money from China to fund weapons systems largely designed to fight China...

[Va Beach VH Fan]

Building is all good and fine. But you can't do it forever.

So you build your infrastructure one time, 60 years ago, and then it's all good ??

[Nickdfresh]

As I said; the question was rhetorical, not an argument. Some people here act like the solution is as simple as increasing spending to hire more employees.

Government jobs are different than private sector jobs in that they take money away from citizens that would otherwise be used to purchase goods and services.

If it were as simple as is being suggested around here, we wouldn't have the problems we have.

It's like we forgot that the economy got into trouble in the first place by overbuilding. Now the solution is to do it again?

Okay, but no one is advocating expanding gov't, but there are areas where some hiring needs to be done, namely the FDA...

Secondly, gov't also uses private sector contractors paying often higher salaries making them good jobs. Construction workers in infrastructure projects often do very well...

[Nickdfresh]

Building is all good and fine. But you can't do it forever.

Actually, we are in a cycle of constant rebuilding and repair...

[Dr. Love]

I can't remember off the top of my head - do either of the major candidates have a serious American infrastructure investment plan for the next 4 years?

[Va Beach VH Fan]

I can't remember off the top of my head - do either of the major candidates have a serious American infrastructure investment plan for the next 4 years?

http://www.americanjobsact.com/putting-workers-back-on-the-job.html

[Dr. Love]

Actually, we are in a cycle of constant rebuilding and repair...

Repair is different than what ford was suggesting. We need a lot of rebuilding due to neglect - I don't think we need long term huge scale public works projects. Let's rebuild what we have and build what we need and move on.

I think the best thing we could do economically is end the warfare cycle , pay down the debt and reduce everyone's tax burden so we all have more money to spend.

[Dr. Love]

So you build your infrastructure one time, 60 years ago, and then it's all good ??

Maybe I'm not explaining my point of view very well. I'm not arguing against investment in infrastructure. I'm saying it's not a solution to our economic problems and shouldn't be treated as such.

[Dr. Love]

Okay, but no one is advocating expanding gov't, but there are areas where some hiring needs to be done, namely the FDA...

Secondly, gov't also uses private sector contractors paying often higher salaries making them good jobs. Construction workers in infrastructure projects often do very well...

Ford is. :)

To a certain extent I think jhale is too.

I agree that while you build things are good for everyone involved. When you're done building, those people have to find other jobs.

[Va Beach VH Fan]

Maybe I'm not explaining my point of view very well. I'm not arguing against investment in infrastructure. I'm saying it's not a solution to our economic problems and shouldn't be treated as such.

Sure, it's not a cure-all, of course not.... But it will sure as hell help out immensely....

[FORD]

Ford is. :)

To a certain extent I think jhale is too.

I agree that while you build things are good for everyone involved. When you're done building, those people have to find other jobs.

But due to the economic stimulus across the board that would result from that infrastructure, there would be more other jobs available. Not to mention the next infrastructure project, as there will always be another one needed....

For example, after FDR's initial infrastructure programs, there was World War II. Obviously starting a war isn't my preferred method of creating infrastructure jobs, but historically, it is what happened. There was no such thing as a permanent "defense" industry in 1941. After WWII, you had the Interstate Highway System, and by the time that was winding down, you had the space program.

And the reason there hasn't been a big infrastructure project since then? 32 years of fucked up trickle down fictional supply side BCE bullshit economic policies.

[MUSICMANN]

Obama's Katrina. I find it sick that those that crucified Bush, now can't see how Obama has dropped the ball on this. NY and NJ unions should be fucking hung for taking this kind of stand. It also needs to be said that Bloomberg just gave his endorsement to Obama.

http://regator.com/p/258116023/non-union_electrical_workers_being_turned_away_from_hu rricane/

[FORD]

Yes, Republican Bloomberg endorsed Obama. And Republican KKKochwhore Chris Christie is obviously now regretting things that he said about the President. It's too bad it took a fucking disaster for them to see reality, but at least they see it.

Some still remain willfully blind, such as yourself. Obama's Katrina, my ass. Even your Chimp's pet horse trainer criticized the President for "acting too soon". Because Brownie, like his former simian boss, is a MORON.

[Dr. Love]

But due to the economic stimulus across the board that would result from that infrastructure, there would be more other jobs available. Not to mention the next infrastructure project, as there will always be another one needed....

For example, after FDR's initial infrastructure programs, there was World War II. Obviously starting a war isn't my preferred method of creating infrastructure jobs, but historically, it is what happened. There was no such thing as a permanent "defense" industry in 1941. After WWII, you had the Interstate Highway System, and by the time that was winding down, you had the space program.

And the reason there hasn't been a big infrastructure project since then? 32 years of fucked up trickle down fictional supply side BCE bullshit economic policies.

If war was good for the economy we would have been booming for decades. :)

[FORD]

If war was good for the economy we would have been booming for decades. :)

Well, the "defense" industry is, sadly enough. :(

[sadaist]

Obama's Katrina. I find it sick that those that crucified Bush, now can't see how Obama has dropped the ball on this. NY and NJ unions should be fucking hung for taking this kind of stand. It also needs to be said that Bloomberg just gave his endorsement to Obama.

http://regator.com/p/258116023/non-union_electrical_workers_being_turned_away_from_hu rricane/



"Things have gotten so bad that in New York City citizens have taken to dumpster diving for food."


WHAT THE FUCK!?

These people don't have a few cans of chef boy ar dee in the cupboard to last a few days? For fucks sake. It's only been a few days and people are out of food?

and before you tell me about no power & heating the raviolis...a cold can of Hormel beats a dumpster sammich any day.

and the flip side of this is who has so much extra food that they are putting it into the dumpsters?

[MUSICMANN]

http://news.yahoo.com/fuel-scarce-east-coast-struggles-recover-storm-000645293.html

[Kristy]

And Obama hugging the ugly white woman isn't a photo-op ??

Seriously, go fuck yourself. Then hang yourself.

[Kristy]

"Things have gotten so bad that in New York City citizens have taken to dumpster diving for food."

On the other hand, this behavior is normal to the likes of Elvis and NoCock69.

[MUSICMANN]

I cannot find gasoline here on Long Island. It's insane!!! People are literally driving to gas stations at 3 am, parking and waiting all day with the hopes of an oil delivery. People have been busted syphoning gas from others in residential areas. I have almost no gas in my car, maybe enough to get home and certainly not enough to get back to work tomorrow. We have really come a long way in the last 40 yrs from the late 70's gas crisis to now. Nah, no need to EVER explore any alternative fuel sources. Nah, no need to fully delve into the electric car in the early 1980's....thank you Ronnie Reagan. WTF.......if anyone thinks our entire foreign policy......no matter who is in office....Republicans or Dems doesn't revolve around oil.....guess again. I actually want to come to work tomorrow....the overtime has been incredible this week. Looks like I'm taking a taxi 20 miles each way to and from work tomorrow. And I'm one of the blessed who didn't have their home destroyed, and never lost power at all. Now a nor-easter is expected around Wed or Thurs of next week which will send temps plummeting. What do people with young children do without gas for generators? My company delivers storage containers on site. One of my drivers was out today and the dude he delivered the container to said he was putting his mattress inside the container, hooking up a generator an a few space heaters and sleeping inside the damn thing so he could watch his house so it doesnt get robbed. Society is an ass hair away from completely falling apart if God forbid a full scale, nation wide catastrophe were to ever take place.


I feel your pain. During Gustav, we didn't get power back for 3 or 4 days and the gas lines were miserable. Oil is evil, but so profitable for that industry and also for the auto manufacturer's that it will take a whole lot to change. Oil is in everything we use and the power play should first be, to get ourselves independent from foreign oil. Then push for alternative fuel sources that are actually already being developed.

http://www.ehow.com/info_8345132_wastes-required-biofuel-production.html

[Kristy]

Oil is in everything we use and the power play should first be, to get ourselves independent from foreign oil. Then push for alternative fuel sources that are actually already being developed.

http://www.ehow.com/info_8345132_wastes-required-biofuel-production.html

You live in a closed dreamworld, asshole. "Biofuels" cost more to make than what they are worth. As long as fat, greedy Americans such as yourself continue to consume, we will never be free of foreign oil.

[FORD]

You live in a closed dreamworld, asshole. "Biofuels" cost more to make than what they are worth. As long as fat, greedy Americans such as yourself continue to consume, we will never be free of foreign oil.

That's only true of the biofuels made from corn - which is as shitty of a source material for fuel as it is for "sugar". But sadly controlled by a corporate lobby that's every bit as powerful as Big Oil.

If they switched to a better source material.... hemp, that switch grass shit that even Chimpy was talking about, or even unlikely stuff like algae and garbage, it would be far more efficient than MonSatan's mutant corn.

The bigger problem - and yet easier to solve - is all the other shit made from petroleum besides the shit in your cars. Every time I go to the goddamn grocery store, I see another product that I will no longer buy because they fucking switched the packaging to plastic, instead of the glass bottle, jar or metal can that it used to be in. This is such a goddamn irresponsible thing to be doing with oil prices skyrocketing and oil supplies drying up. Glass recycles cleaner, does not degrade after repeated recycles and if you have to make it new, we have a hell of a lot more sand than we do oil. Hell, we could buy the fucking SAND from the Saudi Arabians, if somebody is afraid of offending those fucking murderous criminal BCE loving cocksuckers, by not doing business with them. Allah knows they have plenty of it to spare.

[MUSICMANN]

You live in a closed dreamworld, asshole. "Biofuels" cost more to make than what they are worth. As long as fat, greedy Americans such as yourself continue to consume, we will never be free of foreign oil.

Everyone on this planet is a slave to oil, even yourself.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/06/11/oil-is-in-everything-from_n_608751.html

Let me also add. We all know that the main consumption of oil is our automobiles. Getting off of foreign oil completely should be our #1 priority. We have over 100 yrs. of natural gas supplies that with a retrofit kit for automobiles and new natural gas pumps could solve the problem easily. As a consumer, we will always be paying someone to purchase whatever type of fuel for our cars and trucks, that's a fact. I know i would much rather pay American companies instead of foreign ones, wouldn't you. The problem is we are our own worse nightmare when it comes to oil. The one thing i do agree with the president is that, we do need to go more green, but the way he has tried to do it is backwards i believe. Since this world is consumed by oil, you have to become oil independent first as a country, then move into making the switch into natural gas, solar and wind. Until we are 100% free of other countries oil we will continue on this merry-go-round and nothing will change.

Interesting article of who actually owns the Big Oil companies.

http://www.consumerenergyreport.com/2007/09/18/who-owns-big-oil/

[FORD]

If Big Oil ran all the other industries on the planet, you wouldn't be reading this on a computer right now, because telegraphs would still be "state of the art" communications technology. You might have that fancy box invented by Alexander Graham Bell if you were lucky enough to live in the big city.

Obviously (with the exception of those Amish folks) we aren't content to stick with 19th century technology in any other area of life, so why is the internal combustion engine the one fucking dinosaur that can't be replaced by something more compatible with the 21st century??

[MUSICMANN]

If Big Oil ran all the other industries on the planet, you wouldn't be reading this on a computer right now, because telegraphs would still be "state of the art" communications technology. You might have that fancy box invented by Alexander Graham Bell if you were lucky enough to live in the big city.

Obviously (with the exception of those Amish folks) we aren't content to stick with 19th century technology in any other area of life, so why is the internal combustion engine the one fucking dinosaur that can't be replaced by something more compatible with the 21st century??


I wish i knew that as well as be the one who could invent such a thing.

[FORD]

I wish i knew that as well as be the one who could invent such a thing.

But such things HAVE been invented. High speed rail. Electric cars. Hell, even natural gas powered vehicles would be at least a small step in a better direction - but only if we find a way to get to the gas without fracking with toxic chemicals. Hell, eat lots of beans and other high carb foods and fart into a sealed tank and create your own damn natural gas supply, for that matter.

It's not that these things don't exist. It's the fact that Big Oil - which includes the BCE and the KKKoch Brothers - and the lobbyist shitbags who do their bidding suppress them from being implemented. It's a goddamn disgrace that "Communist" China - which still was using rickshaws and bicycles as their primary form of transportation 30 years ago - is now kicking our asses in the implementation of high speed rail and production of solar panels.

Bringing this back to the infrastructure discussion, it should be mandatory that we start the immediate construction of high speed rail in this country, beginning with a west coast line running parallel to I -5 , an east coast line running parallel to I-95, and at least two lines running east to west, most probably running next to I -90 from Boston to Seattle, and I- 10 from Jacksonville to Los Angeles. Additional main lines would then be built alongside other major freeways such as I - 35 in the middle of the country, and there would be shorter runs, such as one that runs parallel to 1-15 from San Diego to Vegas and maybe another that ran between Vegas and Phoenix, etc.

Nobody in their right mind would oppose such a project, yet every time somebody tries to get it off the ground, the barricades go up. And we all know why.

[jhale667]

http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h217/jhale667/404979_487797257918208_793183523_n.png

[jhale667]

Obama's Katrina.

That wins "fucktardedly false equivalency argument" of the day... :doh:

Suppose you'll deny Obama's reducing our dependency on foreign oil too, but he is.

[Nickdfresh]

I cannot find gasoline here on Long Island. It's insane!!! People are literally driving to gas stations at 3 am, parking and waiting all day with the hopes of an oil delivery. People have been busted syphoning gas from others in residential areas. I have almost no gas in my car, maybe enough to get home and certainly not enough to get back to work tomorrow. We have really come a long way in the last 40 yrs from the late 70's gas crisis to now. Nah, no need to EVER explore any alternative fuel sources. Nah, no need to fully delve into the electric car in the early 1980's....thank you Ronnie Reagan. WTF.......if anyone thinks our entire foreign policy......no matter who is in office....Republicans or Dems doesn't revolve around oil.....guess again. I actually want to come to work tomorrow....the overtime has been incredible this week. Looks like I'm taking a taxi 20 miles each way to and from work tomorrow. And I'm one of the blessed who didn't have their home destroyed, and never lost power at all. Now a nor-easter is expected around Wed or Thurs of next week which will send temps plummeting. What do people with young children do without gas for generators? My company delivers storage containers on site. One of my drivers was out today and the dude he delivered the container to said he was putting his mattress inside the container, hooking up a generator and a few space heaters and sleeping inside the damn thing so he could watch his house so it doesnt get robbed. Society is an ass hair away from completely falling apart if God forbid a full scale, nation wide catastrophe were to ever take place.

Hopefully gas will become more available before long, they're now shipping fuel in on tankers faster than they normally would allow. Sorry this happened to you and hopefully things will improve over the weekend...

[BigBadBrian]

That wins "fucktardedly false equivalency argument" of the day... :doh:

Suppose you'll deny Obama's reducing our dependency on foreign oil too, but he is.

How? Explain. All those Green Energy jobs the stimulus screwed us over for? :lmao:

And this IS Obama's Katrina. Deal with it.

[ELVIS]

How is it Obama's Katrina ??

It's not even Obama's Isaac...

There's so much bullshit political hype around this storm, and you believe it all...

[ZahZoo]

The bigger problem - and yet easier to solve - is all the other shit made from petroleum besides the shit in your cars. Every time I go to the goddamn grocery store, I see another product that I will no longer buy because they fucking switched the packaging to plastic, instead of the glass bottle, jar or metal can that it used to be in. This is such a goddamn irresponsible thing to be doing with oil prices skyrocketing and oil supplies drying up. Glass recycles cleaner, does not degrade after repeated recycles and if you have to make it new, we have a hell of a lot more sand than we do oil. Hell, we could buy the fucking SAND from the Saudi Arabians, if somebody is afraid of offending those fucking murderous criminal BCE loving cocksuckers, by not doing business with them. Allah knows they have plenty of it to spare.

If glass were "reusable" rather than recycled then yes you have a point. But the trend now is most areas are halting glass recycling. Why? Simple... it takes a heck of a lot more fossil fuels to make and recycle glass than any plastic product. Due to glass' fragile nature handling and packaging for shipment is more expensive... add weight... more expensive... require a furnace system to heat the elements of glass to make it... more expensive.

Then to top it off... glass is totally inert from an environmental perspective. Which costs less..? hauling glass to a local landfill or hauling it hundreds of miles to a recycling plant.

Plastics are here to stay... the industry has been developing bio-plastics made from natural things other than petroleum. That's probably the best direction to consider. Glass is trending out along with land lines and modems....

[sadaist]

The bigger problem - and yet easier to solve - is all the other shit made from petroleum besides the shit in your cars. Every time I go to the goddamn grocery store, I see another product that I will no longer buy because they fucking switched the packaging to plastic.....


Nestle Quick used to be terrific chocolate milk in a cardboard milk carton. I loved getting those every morning at 7-11 before school. Then it went to plastic container. Then changed it's name to Nesquick. And now?

Even the "milk" inside is plastic it seems. No more need for refrigeration. Saw it today in the regular breakfast aisle with big signs saying no more refrigeration. Sad. I will never buy it again.

[BigBadBrian]

How is it Obama's Katrina ??


I'll type this s l o w l y since I know you don't read too well. Elbert, even you should be able to figure this one out. Maybe.

[Nickdfresh]

I'll type this s l o w l y since I know you don't read too well. Elbert, even you should be able to figure this one out. Maybe.

Well, you are the expert on being slow...

[DavidLeeNatra]

I'll type this s l o w l y since I know you don't read too well. Elbert, even you should be able to figure this one out. Maybe.


family?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Wroj0FLvzs

[BigBadBrian]

family?



No. German immigrants.

[DavidLeeNatra]

No. German immigrants.

maybe...that's why we sent them off...

[Nickdfresh]

[Nitro Express]

You live in a closed dreamworld, asshole. "Biofuels" cost more to make than what they are worth. As long as fat, greedy Americans such as yourself continue to consume, we will never be free of foreign oil.

Probably on a large scale. On a smaller scale bio fuels have a niche like in agriculture. If you grow wheat you need to rotate it with another crop. Canola is a great rotation crop for wheat and you can make your own biodiesel to run your farm equipment on.

Also it only costs $100 extra to make a gasoline burning car flex fuel. So in areas like the midwest you could run on ethanol.

There is not just one energy solution. Will oil go away overnight? Nope. What usually happens is when fuel costs go up all sorts of new ideas come forth and then when the price drops that is all forgotten. I've been alive long enough to see the trends. I remember the gas rationing in the 70's from the arab oil embargo and then SUV's becoming popular in the early 90's.

Basically 40 years of talking about getting off of oil, fixing education, cutting government spending and blah blah blah and nothing in reality being done about it and the situations getting worse.

[Nitro Express]

OK.....so Long Island is still trashed to shit. FEMA asked our company to supply storage containers and WE DON'T HAVE THEM!!! People are calling up desperately in need of storage containers so they can empty out whatever remnants there is left of their homes and we have a wait list of over 200 people! We cannot build them fast enough. On a lighter note, I was finally able to get gas last night.....A buddy of mine and myself waited on line at a station on foot with a 6 gallon tank and 5 gallon. Filled up.....filled the car....went back on line and did it again. The lines for cars are upwards of 4 hrs at a pop. Alot of stations have cars parking at the pumps at 2:30 am and waiting all day for an oil delivery that may or may not arrive. I did the same thing again today solo at a gas station armed with my 6 gallon tank and another 1 gallon tank. I was on the news on 2 seperate segments as the camera was rolling and the news reporter was about 5 feet in front of me while I was standing on line. Of course I had to make a jackass of myself and was the only person on the line who was looking at the camera and flexing ala Clay Matthews about 2 feet behind the reporter with my gas cans in my hands. Camera guy quickly panned away after that. Nor'easter coming in another 2 days.......several inches of rain, steady 30 mile an hour winds with gusts over 50 mph expected. Stay tuned......

Someone posted a joke that said they were amazed so much damage happened on Staten Island. They said the pot holes in the roads should have been able to hold the extra water and save the buildings.

[Nitro Express]

People in Scandinavia used wood gas to run internal combustion engines during WWII when fuel was scarce. Kind of a cool option. If you have wood you can run a vehicle or generator.

[Nitro Express]

Those pot holes are no joke on Staten Island. There are craters on the moon smaller than some of those pot holes.

No wonder everyone there bitches about the city forgetting them. There were some guys from NYC at Sturgis and they said the potholes in the city were pretty bad and made riding a motorcycle around there a bit of a challenge. I don't know, It would be fun to cruise NYC on a Sunday morning on a bike. I might have to do that sometime.

[twonabomber]

These people don't have a few cans of chef boy ar dee in the cupboard to last a few days? For fucks sake. It's only been a few days and people are out of food?

and before you tell me about no power & heating the raviolis...a cold can of Hormel beats a dumpster sammich any day.

These are the same people who stand in line for hours waiting for the latest iGizmo to come out, but they can't be bothered to buy some extra supplies to have on hand if the power goes out, or worse.

[Nitro Express]

These are the same people who stand in line for hours waiting for the latest iGizmo to come out, but they can't be bothered to buy some extra supplies to have on hand if the power goes out, or worse.

One guy over in Jersey that ran a fishing supply shop said he got rid of all his bait so it wouldn't spoil and he said he wished he would have kept it because a lot of people were coming in to get bait to fish with. Can't get to work because it's flooded. What the hell, I'm going fishing. LOL! The stores are empty, you might luck out and catch dinner.

You have to think like a Mexican. I had some Mexicans building a wall for me and when it was lunchtime, they would wrap tamales in tin foil, stick them on the exhaust manifold and fire up the truck. That's how they cooked them. I actually have a hot dog cooker on my snow mobile exaust pipe. I throw some Nathan's got dogs in there and they cook while I ride around. When I stop at the warming shed, lunch is cooked. It works great.

[twonabomber]

You have to think like a Mexican. I had some Mexicans building a wall for me and when it was lunchtime, they would wrap tamales in tin foil, stick them on the exhaust manifold and fire up the truck. That's how they cooked them. I actually have a hot dog cooker on my snow mobile exaust pipe. I throw some Nathan's got dogs in there and they cook while I ride around. When I stop at the warming shed, lunch is cooked. It works great.

Around here thinking like a Mexican means sucking off the government teat. My hometown is a sanctuary city. The Catholic church I used to go to houses illegals hiding from INS.

Cooking on the manifold is not new, offroaders have been making "manifold burritos" for years.


One guy over in Jersey that ran a fishing supply shop said he got rid of all his bait so it wouldn't spoil and he said he wished he would have kept it because a lot of people were coming in to get bait to fish with. Can't get to work because it's flooded. What the hell, I'm going fishing. LOL! The stores are empty, you might luck out and catch dinner.

Fishing is one thing I should get into. We've got good steelhead fishing in the river a few blocks over, and plenty of perch and walleye in the lake. I keep thinking of getting a kayak, maybe next summer I will.

[Nitro Express]

Yeah my kids wanted to see New York City and we were on a family road trip seeing all the historical sites back east and I drove into Manhattan Sunday Morning. The traffic wasn't bad at all.

[Nitro Express]

Around here thinking like a Mexican means sucking off the government teat. My hometown is a sanctuary city. The Catholic church I used to go to houses illegals hiding from INS.

Cooking on the manifold is not new, offroaders have been making "manifold burritos" for years.



Fishing is one thing I should get into. We've got good steelhead fishing in the river a few blocks over, and plenty of perch and walleye in the lake. I keep thinking of getting a kayak, maybe next summer I will.

A lot of fishing has come back over the years. The Detroit river right next to Detroit is one of the best small mouth bass fishing spots in the country. Not too long ago it was just a polluted river. Now they just need to fix the city. LOL! A lot of places you couldn't fish you now can.

[FORD]

Best day of fishing I ever had in my life was in a man made lake in Texas. Reeling in big mouth bass within seconds after throwing a hook in the water. Private property, so their technically wasn't a limit, but we stopped when the cooler was full. West of Waco, near Crawford. In fact I'm about 90% sure that it's the same property that Chimpy later built his stage-prop "ranch" house on. Which probably means the lake is toxic now :(