A question for those who voted FOR Obama

[SilvioDante]

I have debated all night whether or not to start this thread. I never come the the Front Line because I try to avoid political debate on this site. There are a lot of strong feelings here and I like to use this site as an escape from reality. With all that being said..

I am a conservative Christian. I say that semi reluctantly knowing I will be branded with a scarlet "C" for the rest of my existence here. I just have to ask this question:

Why did you vote FOR Obama.

I gotta understand your reasoning, Not why did you vote against Romney. I get that and I have no problem with that. I didn't vote FOR Romney, I'll admit. I just need someone to tell me why they voted FOR Obama. We all know the story of where the country is at right now. No sense rehashing. What has he done to make a person say "I love this guy. I want him to be president for 4 more years."


One more thing, I do ask that we keep the name calling and the outrageousness out of this, please. If I want that, I'll turn on Fox News or MSNBC. I just want to have a honest discussion on why someone would vote FOR Obama. Even though I am a conservative Christian I can see both sides of an issue and appreciate a good discussion without resorting to name calling or condemning someone to eternal damnation.

Thank you

[ODShowtime]

I voted for obama because I want pot legalized in my lifetime. I voted for him because I believe as a 2nd term president he will be able to unleash his full potential to make us all more free.

Romney would exploit the fearful to remove my freedoms.

I like drugs. I like porn. I like immorality. Pot is now decriminalized in two states and more to come! YEAH MOTHERFUCKERS!!! FREEDOM! I CAN TASTE IT!

Let's roll.

[ODShowtime]

Also abortion is nothing but a crutch used to exploit the weak and stupid. Glad it's safe for now.

[SilvioDante]

Thanks for the honest reply but Obama never ran on the legalize pot platform. You voted against Romney suppressing pot reform. Abortion is legal and will never be over turned. It's a distraction used so people will ignore the real problems.

That brings me back to my question. Why did you vote FOR him. What has he done?

[BigBadBrian]

I voted for obama because I want pot legalized in my lifetime. I voted for him because I believe as a 2nd term president he will be able to unleash his full potential to make us all more free.

How?


Romney would exploit the fearful to remove my freedoms.

How?


I like drugs. I like porn. I like immorality. Pot is now decriminalized in two states and more to come! YEAH MOTHERFUCKERS!!! FREEDOM! I CAN TASTE IT!

I don't care about porn or your immorality, but drugs is another matter. Do you have kids?

[BigBadBrian]

Thanks for the honest reply but Obama never ran on the legalize pot platform. You voted against Romney suppressing pot reform. Abortion is legal and will never be over turned. It's a distraction used so people will ignore the real problems.

That brings me back to my question. Why did you vote FOR him. What has he done?

i agree with you about the abortion issue. The GOP lost two easy Senate seats (MO and IN) because of the morons who ran for it. Akin in MO was denied RNC funding and support so he would lose and hopefully drop from political view. Hopefully he does.

[Seshmeister]

I don't care about porn or your immorality, but drugs is another matter. Do you have kids?

You like whisky don't you?

Can you explain how pot causes more harm to kids than whisky?

[Seshmeister]

Thanks for the honest reply but Obama never ran on the legalize pot platform. You voted against Romney suppressing pot reform. Abortion is legal and will never be over turned. It's a distraction used so people will ignore the real problems.

That brings me back to my question. Why did you vote FOR him. What has he done?

I don't understand why you are hedging this with Christianity but then I never understand the oxymoron of conservative Christian.

Romney is a prominent member of a cult set up by a criminal that believes in magic pants, Jesus visiting America, the inferiority of black people and the hoarding of wealth.

The Jesus story in your book is all about giving away wealth, worshiping a bipolar invisible sky daddy and living a humble kind life.

Surely if you are basing a vote on iron age superstitions Obama fits a bit closer than Romney?

[ODShowtime]

How?



How?



I don't care about porn or your immorality, but drugs is another matter. Do you have kids?

I don't know man. It's just as murky as any other issue. I'm desperate for pot reform and this was the best chance. Maybe now that Obama doesn't have to cater to anyone he'll use common sense. It's hope in a hopeless situation. All the economics and foreign policy is bullshit. Presidents don't control alot of that with congress up their ass but Obama can dictate to the Justice Dept. Yes I'm aware he sent his enforcers to Cali but my hope is that he smells the changing winds and stops this nonsense.

NO I don't have kids and it's a parents responsibility to keep them away from drugs, not the government. I hate rules that limit my freedoms for someone else's spawn. Fuck that it's your responsibility.

[ODShowtime]

Why did you vote FOR him. What has he done?

Because he doesn't offend me every day with conservative social bullshit.

[kwame k]

I didn't vote for Obama but my friends, family, etc did..........their reasoning is an old tried and true statement in politics!

The lesser of two evils.......they weren't happy about what Obama has done or better yet, what Obama hasn't done but they knew full well that voting for Romney would take this country back to the exact policies that put us in this mess in the first place. It really had nothing to do with Obama or liking him. It was a chess move, a block. With the GOP off the rails and still trying to get the stink of 8 years of Dubya off of them, they've pandered to the extreme right in the hopes that it worked for Dubya, it'll work for us. The truth is most people are neither extreme right or extreme left they're in the middle. Some issues divide us but they're only a small few and not as big of a gap as the media would have you believe.

The current state of politics in Washington has become an us against them mentality with moderates and people willing to work across the aisle seen as traitors to their party. It's really not how it is in reality and everyone of us everyday makes compromises just to get along in life. By it's very nature our government is set up to be a compromise and until We the People stand up and refuse to let these politicians play these childish games........we'll keep getting the government we deserve.

So in a sense it's not Romney's fault for who he is, politically or Obama's.......it's our fault for allowing it to happen:(

[SilvioDante]

First off, Sesh, I hope you weren't attacking my beliefs. I respect your beliefs or non beliefs. All I ask is you respect mine. Not all Christians are members of or act like members of Westboro Baptist Church.

Second, I am not totally opposed to legalizing pot. I chose not to use drugs or drink because it has destroyed many lives in my family. I chose to end that cycle in my family with me. I do worry about the collateral damage of legalization, but I won't push my morals on anyone.

Third, do far everyone is proving what I though. We all settle for the evil of 2 lessers. I dislike Romney but couldn't vote for Obama. I have said if you can't win your home state you don't deserve to be president. Romney essentially lost 2 home states.

[BigBadBrian]

You like whisky don't you?

Can you explain how pot causes more harm to kids than whisky?

Each causes harm. I don't approve of kids doing pot OR alcohol though you and Angel obviously do. You're trying to justify your legalization of pot with a completely irrelevant argument.

[BigBadBrian]

NO I don't have kids and it's a parents responsibility to keep them away from drugs, not the government. I hate rules that limit my freedoms for someone else's spawn. Fuck that it's your responsibility.

You're a Libertarian then. Good for you. No sarcasm intended.

[BigBadBrian]

First off, Sesh, I hope you weren't attacking my beliefs.

He was. All christians or Christian Doctrine is attacked in this forum. :gulp:

[BigBadBrian]

Romney essentially lost 2 home states.

True and Ryan "didn't win" Wisconsin either. All 3 states were heavily Democrat and just one candidate won't change that.

[Nickdfresh]

I voted for Obama because he helped bring this country through an economic catastrophe that could have been far worse. His policies stabilized things and will prevent a repeat of such a depression, hopefully. Pres. Obama is essentially not that different from the Liberal Republicans of the Rockefeller era and in many ways is very centrist and is even seen as a center-rightest in some Euro quarters. I also think the GOP needs to be severally punished for its harsh rightist rhetoric and the primary debates that were essentially dick-contests on which highly paid politician/lobbyist hates government more and who would drop the most bombs on Iran...

[ODShowtime]

You're a Libertarian then. Good for you. No sarcasm intended.

That statement is not offensive to me.

[BigBadBrian]

His policies stabilized things .......

Which policies are those? The ones that increased the debt by $5 Trillion or the ones that didn't create any meaningful jobs and kept unemployment sky high? Or the ones that will require tax increases on all tax brackets?


.....for its harsh rightist rhetoric

Which rhetoric is that?

[Kristy]

Do you have kids?

Oh do shut the fuck up. The GOP has always had an piss-poor excuse to keep weed illegal. When the rhetoric of it "leading to harder drugs" failed, the GOP does what it always does and exploit children for fear mongering. "Oh no!" Weed is legal in Colorado! What will happen to our children!!!" For one, weed in this state is talked about as being taxed as high as 15%; not sure how many kids can afford that on a salary of allowance and mowing lawns - like yourself. Two, a child stoned half out of his fucking mind is less likely to pick up a semi automatic rifle and start blowing away a few of his classmates because they may have pushed them into a locker. Three, weed will regulated stronger than alcohol is in this state. That means jail terms for those under 21, driving under the influence will not be tolerated (with even stronger jail terms) and most of all, the tax will go to pay for judge's salaries to keep it that way. With a tax that high, (geddit?) it will take the edge off of taxpayer's burden for schools, roads, etc and put in back into the pockets of the middle class that your fucked up party hates so much thus putting more money into this state's economy. Quit using kids as an excuse.

[Nickdfresh]

Which policies are those? The ones that increased the debt by $5 Trillion or the ones that didn't create any meaningful jobs and kept unemployment sky high? Or the ones that will require tax increases on all tax brackets?

What policies increased the debt? Tax cuts in time of "war"? An economic shithole handed to him by the previous Admin that was in power for eight years and presided over a series of corporate scandals with the look-the-other-way mentality? The policies that allow corporations to enjoy huge loopholes and effectively pay no taxes?


Which rhetoric is that?

Reread my last sentence of the previous post...

BTW, why are you all up in this thread? I don't believe the OP was asking you since you obviously didn't vote for Obama...

[BigBadBrian]

What policies increased the debt? Tax cuts in time of "war"? An economic shithole handed to him by the previous Admin that was in power for eight years and presided over a series of corporate scandals with the look-the-other-way mentality? The policies that allow corporations to enjoy huge loopholes and effectively pay no taxes?

Tax cuts during a stagnant economy are necessary. A poor man never gave me a job. Entitlement programs increased the debt far more than the wars or tax cuts. Fact.



BTW, why are you all up in this thread? I don't believe the OP was asking you since you obviously didn't vote for Obama...

Has that stopped other people in similar threads? There's rules now of who can post in what thread?

[DavidLeeNatra]

Tax cuts during a stagnant economy are necessary. A poor man never gave me a job. Entitlement programs increased the debt far more than the wars or tax cuts. Fact.

the word "fact" is something you really should not use...ever...

[Nickdfresh]

Tax cuts during a stagnant economy are necessary. A poor man never gave me a job. Entitlement programs increased the debt far more than the wars or tax cuts. Fact.

Most of the tax cut mantra in a land of relative moderate taxes is completely unsupportable bullshit and it all relies heavy on correlations (at best). Is Mitt Romney hiring you since he's only paying 14% on his investment interests?

If that's true, then why has the largest round of tax cuts in U.S. history precede one of its worst recessions?


Has that stopped other people in similar threads? There's rules now of who can post in what thread?

No, just curious that you have a massive hard on for this thread...

Maybe you can explain why you voted for Romney?

[Kristy]

A poor man never gave me a job.

No, but he might give you the shirt off his back so to say. Again, do shut the fuck up.

[kwame k]

Tax cuts during a stagnant economy are necessary. A poor man never gave me a job. Entitlement programs increased the debt far more than the wars or tax cuts. Fact.

Jesus tap dancing Christ are you really that gullible and easily mislead that you think tax cuts for the 1% will create jobs?

They've had the easiest tax burden for more than a decade and have created zero jobs........in fact, by not paying a reasonable tax rate and creating next to no jobs, you can say that Dubya's tax breaks for the rich were an abject failure.

How in the fuck can you even be spewing that Repuke fantasy that, 'tax cuts for the rich will create jobs', when after 8 years of those cuts our economy tanked to the point of collapse. Letting the rich have their way only made the rich richer and damn near put us into another Depression.

Come on now.......even you don't believe that deregulating Wall St, the banks, huge tax breaks for mega-corps and the rich is a sound economic policy. If it was, why did the economy tank so bad under Dubya?



Has that stopped other people in similar threads? There's rules now of who can post in what thread?

Never stopped us:beers8:

[Nickdfresh]

Tax cuts during a stagnant economy are necessary.

We've had some of the largest tax cuts in history the past decade, and an economic meltdown followed within a couple of years! Under Clinton, corporations paid more taxes and things were far more fiscally stable and the economy roared along!


A poor man never gave me a job.

A lot of trust-fund douchebags who inherited their wealth and do nothing with it--or run the businesses their hard working parents started into the ground--aren't giving you a job either!


Entitlement programs increased the debt far more than the wars or tax cuts. Fact.

Bullshit! The U.S. defense budget far exceeds "entitlements". Entitlements are also one of the quickest infusions of cash into the economy, far more direct and effective than mindless tax breaks...

[Nitro Express]

Nobody is going to fix shit. Your money is going to buy less. Small businesses will go out of business. The government will run up debt and taxes like you have never seen before and print money like it never has before. The fat cats in charge know this is not sustainable but Bernanke buys time. When it all hits the wall it ain't going to be pretty and there is nothing Obama or the congress can do about it. They will live their pampered lives for a bit more but even for them, things will turn as a gullible public feels the pain and the love fest ends. Grab a life boat while you can folks. The wad is shot.

[ZahZoo]

Silvio... I doubt you'll get a definitive answer from this gang... the thread has already deteriorated to business as usual bullshit. No surprise.

I've a lot of honest discussions with people the last couple of months on this election... What drives people's choice in voting falls into some fairly common categories...

Party affiliation... no matter the character or good or bad leadership qualities... some folks just can't act outside the party affiliation.

Religious affiliation... this one troubles me a lot. I recognize that many people build social cultures around their church and religion. That's a very traditional culture in the US and many other countries. The issue I have is just because someone attends the same church doesn't mean they will make decisions aligned with yours. So I find that using that as comfort basis to choose a candidate as not very wise. History has shown... whatever religion a President is... really has little basis for successfully leading the nation. Plus among the predominate Western Judeo-Christian faiths... there's really no significant variance in the morale foundations that would drive decision making in any radical direction.

Race affiliation... I hope this needs no explanation. If that's one's motivation... so be it. To me it's no basis for judging leadership ability in any way shape or form.

I look at casting a vote primarily on the basis of leadership qualities. Campaign speeches and jockeying mean little to me nor sway my choices. I recognize that one person... even in the presidential seat can't influence changes or policy on their own. I look to people who have a record of compromise and working with others. I pay attention to their vision and see if they have the ability to motivate others but show strength when challenged.

I won't say who I voted for... but I will say this year I covered just about every party affiliation available on the ballot. Not all of my choice won... but I didn't feel stupid or just make a guess when I punched the ballot.

[Nitro Express]

until We the People stand up and refuse to let these politicians play these childish games........we'll keep getting the government we deserve.

Exactly. I don't blame the politicians or even the bankers. I blame the short-sighted, greedy, and inept American people. They were given the great gift of self-government and blew it. They let a bunch of con artists come in, loot the country, take over, and now they are saddling the people and their kids and future generations with a huge bill. Nobody did a thing. They just sat on the couch and watched TV. For the record, both parties are guilty. Oh boy Obama got back in and congress is the same after billions of dollars were spend on campaigns. It's all a bad joke. Why is continuing to do the same thing that we have been doing going to fix anything? More unemployment insurance and food stamps is not going to change things. Destroying full time jobs with benefits and replacing them with temp jobs isn't going to fix anything. Making energy more expensive won't change anything. Those idiots in Washington live in a pampered bubble. Do you really think they get it?

[SilvioDante]

Nobody is going to fix shit. Your money is going to buy less. Small businesses will go out of business. The government will run up debt and taxes like you have never seen before and print money like it never has before. The fat cats in charge know this is not sustainable but Bernanke buys time. When it all hits the wall it ain't going to be pretty and there is nothing Obama or the congress can do about it. They will live their pampered lives for a bit more but even for them, things will turn as a gullible public feels the pain and the love fest ends. Grab a life boat while you can folks. The wad is shot.

This is the answer I was looking for.

[Nitro Express]

I won't say who I voted for... but I will say this year I covered just about every party affiliation available on the ballot. Not all of my choice won... but I didn't feel stupid or just make a guess when I punched the ballot.

I never voted the party line ever. I always believed party politics never served the American people well. I always got a sample ballot and saw who was running and then did my research on each candidate. In our local elections I voted for mostly Democrat candidates. Not that I like the Democrat party but they were the best people on the ballot according to my research. Also if more people voted like that we would be harder to figure out and control. What people don't realize is you become easier to control the more consolidated you are. I always believed the more candidates that have a chance at winning the better. Why do we only have two choices for US President? Because we have allowed the big money to take over. Now they spend billions of presidential elections. Unreal.

[Dr. Love]

If that's true, then why has the largest round of tax cuts in U.S. history precede one of its worst recessions?


Too much spending

Too much war

Too much manipulation by the Federal Reserve

Too little regulation on Wall Street (I don't like all regulation but there needs to be some)

Too little accountability

[Nitro Express]

This is the answer I was looking for.

It's going to have to hit rock bottom and it will. Where it goes from there I have no idea. I mean right now, you would be better off living in Brazil than the US and I'm not kidding. I always thought self-government was a great concept but it's work. It's a lot of work and the American people have become too dumb and lazy to make that system work any longer. Because we did have a good self-government system, it attracted some of the world's hardest working and smart people. It's why most our ancestors migrated here. They were stuck in a cast system with limited opportunities. It built the highest standard of living in world history and I was lucky enough to see the tail end of that and unlucky enough to see it fade away. Why in the hell do you want to live in a country where if you work, you just get saddled with a huge tax bill and there no longer is any more gusto to improve anything? Oh well history is full of great civilization that hit the skids. This one will follow the same path. I've written it off. People just don't know what they have here anymore.

As far as religion goes the one asset with many religious people is they work hard. Maybe what they believe in is silly but at least they have some kind of focus. The Jews believed Palestine was the promised land and they took some of the most worthless land on the planet and made it productive. The Mormons were the same way. They rolled into Utah and made something out of it. If it proves anything, it's if you believe you can, you usually can. Where's the "Yes We Can?" Attitude in this country anymore? I know Obama used that as a campaign slogan and it's a good one. Even if Barrack was the greatest guy on the planet look at what he has to work with. He kind of gave a "Get Your Ass To Work" speech last night. The thing is, he doesn't understand reality. He's as lost as Joe Public is. I don't even think he knew what was in that healthcare plan. He towed the party line and the insurance companies took full advantage. Has their premiums gone down? No. Do we have a social medial program? No. This new program is actually stealing from Medicare. So the healthcare problem is actually worse. At least in the past, if you couldn't afford the health insurance the government didn't penalize you for it. Also, the money just isn't there to pay for all this. The people don't have the money and the government doesn't have the money. Nothing got fixed.

Now they are saying Smith & Wesson sales are up. Oh yeah, buy some ammunition and gun company stock. People are going to be buying that stuff in droves again. Exactly what they are going to do with it I have no idea. You have a failing government with a bunch of paranoid angry people. Welcome to the jungle folks.

[SilvioDante]

Thanks ZahZoo. That as good an answer as I'll get.

Just seems to me that we've reached a point where we vote to get stuff. Insurance, tax breaks, phones, whatever. They have us all by the short and curlies. "If you don't vote for me your not getting this. The other guy will personally destroy your life!"


Don't really see many people vote for what's good for the country, just who ever gives them things. And I do mean both sides.

[ZahZoo]

That's the problem... we're voting for individuals who are saying whatever it takes to get the job.

Once in the job... then the gamesmanship takes over.

If the American public woke up and paid attention this could change... real fast. Simple things like if a bill that makes sense is proposed and for example the the opposition decides to filibuster it. If people started flooding their senator or congressman's phone, e-mail, twitter, etc... Saying get off your ass and approve this now. Washington would wake up real quick... Unfortunately very few of us pay any attention to the day to day games going on. Even fewer speak up. So the elected folks just continue on...

[Nitro Express]

Too much spending

Too much war

Too much manipulation by the Federal Reserve

Too little regulation on Wall Street (I don't like all regulation but there needs to be some)

Too little accountability

Yup. The thing is the biggest employers are not necessarily the rich people. It's the small business owners. They are usually middle class to upper middle class. The current government policies are going to run those guys out of business with higher employment taxes, energy taxes and such. Then you are going to have a broke government with tens of millions of people looking to it for their lively hood. Ben Bernake can print more money to load up the welfare accounts but what is that going to buy? What kind of economy are you going to have? You have chased the productive people who refuse welfare out of the country. Are we going to have collective farming? Who's going to grow the food after the taxes, regulations, and overhead have ran the farmers out of business? Oh Monsanto probably will snatch them up and grow Round Up Ready GMO food where the mom and pop organic farms used to be.

[sadaist]

I voted for obama because I want pot legalized in my lifetime. I voted for him because I believe as a 2nd term president he will be able to unleash his full potential to make us all more free.

Romney would exploit the fearful to remove my freedoms.

I like drugs. I like porn. I like immorality. Pot is now decriminalized in two states and more to come! YEAH MOTHERFUCKERS!!! FREEDOM! I CAN TASTE IT!

Let's roll.


I agree with you in wanting more freedoms. But I think the party you are choosing is the party that is taking it from you. Telling you what foods you can eat, buy, what size, what you can send to school with your child for lunch, what type of car you can drive, when, where, how big your house should be, when you can run your AC, and on & on & on all under the guise of protecting you from you.


(I won't even get started on tobacco or alcohol)

not that I am saying the Republican party is the answer....it's not. But many people that are truly Libertarian have been tricked to believe they are either Repub or Democrat.

[Nitro Express]

Thanks ZahZoo. That as good an answer as I'll get.

Just seems to me that we've reached a point where we vote to get stuff. Insurance, tax breaks, phones, whatever. They have us all by the short and curlies. "If you don't vote for me your not getting this. The other guy will personally destroy your life!"


Don't really see many people vote for what's good for the country, just who ever gives them things. And I do mean both sides.

Exactly. We the People. The boss, went in the back room and whacked off and the hired help (the politicians) took over, stole our money, bankrupted us, and now they are playing the role of gangster. It's why giving the government unlimited power is never a good idea. I tried to explain over and over why you don't want to give a bunch of political crooks more power even if the end result they are selling sounds wonderful. Character matters and there isn't much of that in DC these days or even in your state government. Heck. Even the city council sucks. You can't trust politicians. Give em enough power to provide the basics and take care of yourself.

[Satan]

I have said if you can't win your home state you don't deserve to be president. Romney essentially lost 2 home states.

Actually three, considering he currently lives in California. But at least Utah voted for him.

[Nickdfresh]

Thanks ZahZoo. That as good an answer as I'll get.

Just seems to me that we've reached a point where we vote to get stuff. Insurance, tax breaks, phones, whatever. They have us all by the short and curlies. "If you don't vote for me your not getting this. The other guy will personally destroy your life!"


Don't really see many people vote for what's good for the country, just who ever gives them things. And I do mean both sides.

So you weren't actually interested in other peoples' views, you just wanted some answer to validate your views--from a notorious bullshiter no less...

[Nitro Express]

I agree with you in wanting more freedoms. But I think the party you are choosing is the party that is taking it from you. Telling you what foods you can eat, buy, what size, what you can send to school with your child for lunch, what type of car you can drive, when, where, how big your house should be, when you can run your AC, and on & on & on all under the guise of protecting you from you.


(I won't even get started on tobacco or alcohol)

not that I am saying the Republican party is the answer....it's not. But many people that are truly Libertarian have been tricked to believe they are either Repub or Democrat.

The answer is buying a Smith & Wesson and telling them to fuck off!:biggrin: It's the states that are legalizing pot. Not the federal government. Obummer has nothing to do with that. It's the feds who are going into states that have legal pot and are raiding the pot shops and harassing the business owners, even if they are not breaking any state laws.

[Nitro Express]

There's no political solution. The system is too corrupt. The country is heading for a tax revolt. Being as divided as it is, It's probably going to fly apart.

[Fairwrning]

I would like to go on record as a Virginian that did NOT vote for Obama..Didnt answer your question tho..sorry

[SilvioDante]

Nick, I AM interested in other peoples opinion. That's how you learn. If you watch Fox/MSNBC 24/7 you can never learn and understand the world around you. Just because I disagree doesn't mean I don't want to hear it. That at its core might be what's wrong with this country. You either agree with me or you should shut up or I'll shut you up.

I honestly want to understand why, with an unemployment rate at 8% when it was promised to be 5% by now, gas is double the price it was in 2008, on and on, why someone would vote for Obama. If it is Bush's fault, what has Obama done to correct it?

I honestly want to understand.

[Satan]

Nick, I AM interested in other peoples opinion. That's how you learn. If you watch Fox/MSNBC 24/7 you can never learn and understand the world around you. Just because I disagree doesn't mean I don't want to hear it. That at its core might be what's wrong with this country. You either agree with me or you should shut up or I'll shut you up.

I honestly want to understand why, with an unemployment rate at 8% when it was promised to be 5% by now, gas is double the price it was in 2008, on and on, why someone would vote for Obama. If it is Bush's fault, what has Obama done to correct it?

I honestly want to understand.

It's easy to blame Obama for not cleaning up Chimpy's mess fast enough, but it was one HELL of a mess. Clinton hadn't entirely cleaned up the mess Poppy Bush left him by 1996 either, and it was a considerably smaller pile of shit. But he ended up leaving office with a surplus. Not saying Obama will do that. Not even sure if it's possible. And I certainly hope Obama makes some better cabinet choices this time around. First step should be losing Timmy the Keebler Elf and replacing him with Robert Reich or Paul Krugman

[DLR Bridge]

I honestly want to understand why, with an unemployment rate at 8% when it was promised to be 5% by now, gas is double the price it was in 2008, on and on, why someone would vote for Obama. If it is Bush's fault, what has Obama done to correct it?

Obama stopped an aweful lot of the bleeding. Would McCain have been able to? We'll never no. I do know that Obama has done an aweful lot of good for an aweful lot of people in a far shorter time then some previous presidents, while operating under tremendous scrutiny for some absolutely bull shit things. Really, I can't even talk about it any more.

Silvio, Google Obama accomplishments and there, you'll find a good part of the reason I voted for him. I'm not a huge fan of his, but my values lean left. Of the 2 directions (no offense to the Independents) there were to choose from, I felt Obama's was the better direction. Both for the economy and foreign affairs.

As far as gas prices go, that's something no president has the ability to change.

[ZahZoo]

So you weren't actually interested in other peoples' views, you just wanted some answer to validate your views--from a notorious bullshiter no less...

Geez Nick... do you use 100 grit sandpaper for TP?

[sadaist]

"The problems we face today exist because the people who work for a living are outnumbered by those who vote for a living."



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[envy_me]

A poor man never gave me a job.

Did you ever think that it might be you? Not many people would give you a job.

Ooh, LOVE "do you have kids"-question. You raise your offspring yourself.

[Satan]

"The problems we face today exist because the people who work for a living are outnumbered by those who vote for a living."



*Unknown tax payer

Yeah, funny how nobody ever wants to take credit for ridiculous lies like that. But it sounds like something Ayn Rand would write. Before she went on Social Security and Medicare in order to pay for her medical bills that resulted from her self-induced lung cancer. Guess that "personal responsibility" mantra only goes so far?

[Nitro Express]

Obama stopped an aweful lot of the bleeding. Would McCain have been able to? We'll never no. I do know that Obama has done an aweful lot of good for an aweful lot of people in a far shorter time then some previous presidents, while operating under tremendous scrutiny for some absolutely bull shit things. Really, I can't even talk about it any more.

Silvio, Google Obama accomplishments and there, you'll find a good part of the reason I voted for him. I'm not a huge fan of his, but my values lean left. Of the 2 directions (no offense to the Independents) there were to choose from, I felt Obama's was the better direction. Both for the economy and foreign affairs.

As far as gas prices go, that's something no president has the ability to change.

McCain and Palin might have been worse actually. He was hard and she was wet for attacking Iran. Sarah hungered for Netan yo ho's circumsized cock. The one bright thing Obama may bring to the world is he might starve Zionism out.

[Nitro Express]

Geez Nick... do you use 100 grit sandpaper for TP?

After he eats a bunch of Buffalo hot wings and his ass is burning from it. Somedays Nick sounds like he's got a belt sander with 80 grit going on his ass.

[LoungeMachine]

After he eats a bunch of Buffalo hot wings and his ass is burning from it. Somedays Nick sounds like he's got a belt sander with 80 grit going on his ass.

Like the one you used when you worked in your father's mill?

:gulp:

Didn't you have lunch with the inventor of the hot wing?

[chefcraig]

Didn't you have lunch with the inventor of the hot wing?

No, he had supper with Mister Buddwing. I get confused myself at times, as the story lines keep crossing over themselves.

Oh, the humanity, the turkeys are hitting the ground like sacks of wet cement! One just went through the windshield of that parked car! And so on...


http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y67/varmit01/For%20Sale/FOLDED%20OS/MISTERBUDDWING.jpg

[Nickdfresh]

Geez Nick... do you use 100 grit sandpaper for TP?

Right after drinking whiskey out of a dirty glass!

[Nickdfresh]

After he eats a bunch of Buffalo hot wings and his ass is burning from it. Somedays Nick sounds like he's got a belt sander with 80 grit going on his ass.


They're just called chicken wings here, and they don't burn my ass. I may have a belt sander on my ass, but you're more often than not talking out of yours...

[kwame k]

No, he had supper with Mister Buddwing. I get confused myself at times, as the story lines keep crossing over themselves.

Oh, the humanity, the turkeys are hitting the ground like sacks of wet cement! One just went through the windshield of that parked car! And so on...

:biggrin:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lf3mgmEdfwg

[ODShowtime]

Just seems to me that we've reached a point where we vote to get stuff. Insurance, tax breaks, phones, whatever. They have us all by the short and curlies. "If you don't vote for me your not getting this. The other guy will personally destroy your life!"

Don't really see many people vote for what's good for the country, just who ever gives them things. And I do mean both sides.

Exactly. I know that nothing I do is going to help. Greed and ignorance are too powerful. So I want my pot. If I'm going to Hell in a bucket, at least I'm enjoying the ride. Fuck it. They're all lying thieves! Every one of them. Just keep your head down and try to enjoy every day.

[FORD]

If I'm going to Hell in a bucket, at least I'm enjoying the ride.

[sadaist]

Yeah, funny how nobody ever wants to take credit for ridiculous lies like that. But it sounds like something Ayn Rand would write. Before she went on Social Security and Medicare in order to pay for her medical bills that resulted from her self-induced lung cancer. Guess that "personal responsibility" mantra only goes so far?


Yes. But a great example just today. A lady I work with at my insurance company was speaking to a class about earthquake insurance. This lady has been with the company 15+ years and draws a very decent salary. She chooses to not have earthquake insurance in California because of the cost. She stated, happily and giggling I might add, that she would rather save the money & hope FEMA saves the day.

WTF?

Taxes are being ripped from my paycheck every 2 weeks at an alarmingly increasing pace, and much of it is because of this attitude which is far too rampant in this country. If your shit hits the fan and you need help, fine. If you would rather save your own money and if the shit hits the fan be bailed out by everyone else, fuck you!

[SilvioDante]

Exactly. I know that nothing I do is going to help. Greed and ignorance are too powerful. So I want my pot. If I'm going to Hell in a bucket, at least I'm enjoying the ride. Fuck it. They're all lying thieves! Every one of them. Just keep your head down and try to enjoy every day.

That's another honest answer I can agree with.

[FORD]

Yes. But a great example just today. A lady I work with at my insurance company was speaking to a class about earthquake insurance. This lady has been with the company 15+ years and draws a very decent salary. She chooses to not have earthquake insurance in California because of the cost. She stated, happily and giggling I might add, that she would rather save the money & hope FEMA saves the day.

WTF?

Taxes are being ripped from my paycheck every 2 weeks at an alarmingly increasing pace, and much of it is because of this attitude which is far too rampant in this country. If your shit hits the fan and you need help, fine. If you would rather save your own money and if the shit hits the fan be bailed out by everyone else, fuck you!

I'm not a fan of mandatory insurance laws of any kind, but I'd say if you own a house in California without earthquake insurance, you're probably too stupid to live. And not a very good representative of an insurance company either. Isn't that like a vegan working at McDonalds??

[Nitro Express]

If you live in an earthquake area you want to buy or build a house that sits on solid rock and a home that is made of either steel or wood framing that can flex. Masonry does not fare well in earth quakes. What you want to avoid is ground that is loose sediment. Also build or buy away from a major fault line. Even Eddie Van Halen said his home and 5150 studios held up fine during the Northridge earthquake because both buildings sit on the bedrock.

[Nitro Express]

Yes. But a great example just today. A lady I work with at my insurance company was speaking to a class about earthquake insurance. This lady has been with the company 15+ years and draws a very decent salary. She chooses to not have earthquake insurance in California because of the cost. She stated, happily and giggling I might add, that she would rather save the money & hope FEMA saves the day.

WTF?

Taxes are being ripped from my paycheck every 2 weeks at an alarmingly increasing pace, and much of it is because of this attitude which is far too rampant in this country. If your shit hits the fan and you need help, fine. If you would rather save your own money and if the shit hits the fan be bailed out by everyone else, fuck you!

Your taxes are going to get worse too. They are going up in California. The thing is we have this attitude because too many people in the country have no skin in the game. They don't know what it's like to work and try to support a family and have that money taken out of their checks. The biggest problem is the ever rising debt. It's not going to be sustainable and then you have Ben Bernanke purposefully inflating the US dollar because we don't want to pay the debt down. This ends with a very inflated currency where real goods get expensive. The government won't be able to buy anything and it won't be able to do anything. What are these free loaders going to do then? They naively expect the money to be there and they expect the government to step in. Well when you have tens of millions of people who think the same, it's unsustainable.

[FORD]

If you live in an earthquake area you want to buy or build a house that sits on solid rock and a home that is made of either steel or wood framing that can flex. Masonry does not fare well in earth quakes. What you want to avoid is ground that is loose sediment. Also build or buy away from a major fault line. Even Eddie Van Halen said his home and 5150 studios held up fine during the Northridge earthquake because both buildings sit on the bedrock.


Yeah.... I learned all that in the 6.8 quake we had here back in 2001. I live in one of the oldest neighborhoods in town. A lot of the houses here have been around over 100 years. The houses themselves made it through the quake alright, but a lot of them had to repair/replace their chimneys.

And most of downtown Olympia (as well as a big chunk of downtown Seattle) is built on land that used to be part of Puget Sound, but was filled in some time in the 19th century. And the quake turned it to jello, so a lot of buildings downtown got serious damage, and the road that went around Capitol Lake was totally fucked.

[Nitro Express]

They're just called chicken wings here, and they don't burn my ass. I may have a belt sander on my ass, but you're more often than not talking out of yours...

I was expecting a more colorful reply Nick. Come on man. Let the creative juices flow. Be an artist! Be like Kristy.

[Nitro Express]

Yeah.... I learned all that in the 6.8 quake we had here back in 2001. I live in one of the oldest neighborhoods in town. A lot of the houses here have been around over 100 years. The houses themselves made it through the quake alright, but a lot of them had to repair/replace their chimneys.

And most of downtown Olympia (as well as a big chunk of downtown Seattle) is built on land that used to be part of Puget Sound, but was filled in some time in the 19th century. And the quake turned it to jello, so a lot of buildings downtown got serious damage, and the road that went around Capitol Lake was totally fucked.

Seattle is an earthquake area but it's also got a tsunami danger. Yeah I would say an old house that's been through a few earthquakes unscathed is a good place. If you are on good ground and up a hill away from the sound, that's where you want to be.

When I went to BYU a lot of the buildings went three or four stories below ground. They built down instead of up. It's expensive to build that way but later found out the campus is on a major fault line and is built on sediment from the Wasatch mountains. In an earthquake that ground turns to jello and they constructed the buildings to hold up in that. In theory.

[Nickdfresh]

I was expecting a more colorful reply Nick. Come on man. Let the creative juices flow. Be an artist! Be like Kristy.

Why do the most boring, uncreative troll assholes crave the witty diatribe?

[Nickdfresh]

You really want me, Nitrous Asshole? Kay, Walter Middy cunt....

[Seshmeister]

Each causes harm. I don't approve of kids doing pot OR alcohol though you and Angel obviously do. You're trying to justify your legalization of pot with a completely irrelevant argument.

That's a senseless argument, who says I approve of that?

Personally if pot was legalized here tomorrow I still wouldn't touch it, I prefer booze and I would worry about it being a gateway drug back to tobacco which is worse than any of them.

[BigBadBrian]

Did you ever think that it might be you? Not many people would give you a job.

Ooh, LOVE "do you have kids"-question. You raise your offspring yourself.

Once again, a simple concept went completely over your head.

[BigBadBrian]

Yeah.... I learned all that in the 6.8 quake we had here back in 2001. I live in one of the oldest neighborhoods in town. A lot of the houses here have been around over 100 years. The houses themselves made it through the quake alright, but a lot of them had to repair/replace their chimneys.

And most of downtown Olympia (as well as a big chunk of downtown Seattle) is built on land that used to be part of Puget Sound, but was filled in some time in the 19th century. And the quake turned it to jello, so a lot of buildings downtown got serious damage, and the road that went around Capitol Lake was totally fucked.

When the Cascadian Fault Zone lets go, it's going to make the quake in Japan last year look like child's play. Seattle, Tacoma, Olympia, and environs will be decimated. It's not a matter of "if," it's a matter of "when."

[Angel]

Each causes harm. I don't approve of kids doing pot OR alcohol though you and Angel obviously do. You're trying to justify your legalization of pot with a completely irrelevant argument.

Where the fuck do you get that idea? I don't think either is good for kids. I do, however hate alcohol, and think there are too many people in jail for pot-related offences


Sent from my GS2, bitches

[Satan]

When the Cascadian Fault Zone lets go, it's going to make the quake in Japan last year look like child's play. Seattle, Tacoma, Olympia, and environs will be decimated. It's not a matter of "if," it's a matter of "when."

Maybe that's why they legalized weed? http://www.cosgan.de/images/smilie/teufel/d025.gif