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BigBadBrian
11-29-2012, 02:31 PM
(Reuters) - The U.N. General Assembly is set to approve an implicit recognition of Palestinian statehood on Thursday despite threats by the United States and Israel to punish the Palestinian Authority by withholding funds for the West Bank government.

A resolution that would lift the Palestinian Authority's U.N. observer status from "entity" to "non-member state," like the Vatican, is expected to pass easily in the 193-nation General Assembly. At least 15 European states plan to vote for it.

Israel, the United States and a handful of other members are set to vote against what they see as a largely symbolic and counterproductive move by the Palestinians, which takes place on the 65th anniversary of the assembly's adoption of resolution 181 on the partition of Palestine into Jewish and Arab states.

Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas has been leading the campaign to win support for the resolution, which follows an eight-day conflict this month between Israel and Islamists in the Gaza Strip, who are pledged to Israel's destruction and oppose his efforts toward a negotiated peace.

The U.S. State Department made a last-ditch effort to get Abbas to reconsider, but the Palestinian Authority, which exercises limited self-rule in the Israeli-occupied West Bank, gave no sign that it was turning back.

Secretary of State Hillary Clinton repeated to reporters in Washington on Wednesday the U.S. view that the Palestinian move was misguided and efforts should focus instead on reviving the stalled Middle East peace process.

"The path to a two-state solution that fulfills the aspirations of the Palestinian people is through Jerusalem and Ramallah, not New York," she said. "The only way to get a lasting solution is to commence direct negotiations."

Speaking at an annual U.N. event in support of the Palestinians, Palestinian Foreign Minister Riyad al-Maliki appealed to U.N. member states to support Thursday's U.N. resolution. He also repeated his support for peace with Israel.

"Despite diminishing hopes and the decline of the situation on the ground due to Israel violations, we remain committed to the two-state solution and our hand remains extended in peace," he said at U.N. headquarters in New York.

State Department spokeswoman Victoria Nuland reiterated U.S. warnings that the move could cause a reduction of U.S. economic support for the Palestinians. The Israelis have also warned they might take significant deductions out of monthly transfers of duties that Israel collects on the Palestinians' behalf.

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Despite its fierce opposition, Israel seems concerned not to find itself diplomatically isolated. It has recently toned down threats of retaliation in the face of wide international support for the initiative, notably among its European allies.

"The decision at the United Nations will change nothing on the ground," Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said in Jerusalem. "It will not advance the establishment of a Palestinian state. It will delay it further.

But U.N. diplomats say that Israel's reaction might not be so measured if the Palestinians seek ICC action against Israel on charges of war crimes, crimes against humanity or other crimes the court would have jurisdiction over.

Russian Deputy Foreign Minister Mikhail Bogdanov was quoted by the Interfax news agency as calling on Washington and Israel to avoid "any hasty and destructive decisions."

"Supporting the Palestinian authorities is not only in the interest of the Palestinian side, but also of Israel and the whole international community that is longing for a peaceful political settlement," he said.

The European Union, a key donor for the Palestinians, has made clear it will not curtail aid after Thursday's vote.

U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon also called for a revival of the peace process: "Israelis and Palestinians must break out of a zero-sum mentality, and embrace a peaceful path forward."

Granting Palestinians the title of "non-member observer state" falls short of full U.N. membership - something the Palestinians failed to achieve last year. But it would allow them access to the International Criminal Court and other international bodies, should they choose to join them.

Flag-waving Palestinians thronged the squares of the West Bank and Gaza Strip before Thursday's vote. In a rare show of unity, Abbas's Islamist rivals Hamas, who have ruled Gaza since a brief civil war in 2007, let backers of the president's Fatah movement hold demonstrations there.

Peace talks have been stalled for two years, mainly over Israeli settlements in the West Bank, which have expanded despite being deemed illegal by most of the world. There are 4.3 million Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza.

In the draft resolution, the Palestinians have pledged to relaunch the peace process immediately following the U.N. vote, expected sometime after 3 p.m. (2000 GMT) on Thursday.

With strong support from the developing world that makes up the majority of U.N. members, it is virtually assured of securing more than the requisite simple majority. Palestinian officials hope for more than 130 yes votes.

Abbas has focused on securing as many votes as possible from Europe, and his efforts appear to have paid off.

Austria, Denmark, Norway, Finland, France, Greece, Iceland, Ireland, Italy, Luxembourg, Malta, Portugal, Spain, Sweden and Switzerland all pledged to support the resolution. Britain said it was prepared to vote yes, but only if the Palestinians fulfilled certain conditions.

The fiercely pro-Israel Czech Republic was planning to vote against the move, dashing European hopes of avoiding any no votes that would create a three-way split on the continent into supporters, abstainers and opposers.

It was unclear whether some of the many undecided Europeans would join the Czechs. Germany, Hungary, the Netherlands, Estonia and Lithuania plan to abstain.

(Andrew Quinn in Washington, Noah Browning in Ramallah, Jeffrey Heller in Jerusalem, Michelle Nichols in New York, Robert Mueller in Prague, Gabriela Baczynska and Reuters bureau in Europe and elsewhere; Editing by Cynthia Osterman)

BigBadBrian
11-29-2012, 02:33 PM
Since Israel already has settlements on the West Bank, let the Palestinians have the Gaza Strip as their homeland. :biggrin:

Besides, it will be easier for them to smuggle in missiles from Iran via Egypt. :gulp:

FORD
11-29-2012, 02:41 PM
What is needed is not a one state solution or even a two state solution, but a FOUR state solution.

Israel - as it was before 1967 - should be one state.

Since it's impossible for Gaza and the West Bank to be connected by land, it's not practical for them to be considered one Palestinian state. So make them two separate entities, and install an express railroad going from one to the other so Palestinians can travel from one to the other without harassment.

Jerusalem is sacred to Jews, Christians, and Muslims alike, and as such, should not be controlled by any one of the three. Only practical solution there is to make Jerusalem a city-state unto itself. Open to all and controlled by none.

Jewish settlers who have invaded Palestinian lands have the option of either moving back to Israel, or living in a Palestinian state according to Palestinian laws and customs. The same is true of Muslims who live within Israeli borders, accepting that it is a Jewish state.

Palestinians agree to abolish Hamas, and Israel agrees to abolish the Likud party.

Problem solved.

Va Beach VH Fan
11-29-2012, 02:49 PM
Jerusalem is sacred to Jews, Christians, and Muslims alike, and as such, should not be controlled by any one of the three. Only practical solution there is to make Jerusalem a city-state unto itself. Open to all and controlled by none.

Which would give the Christians two of them (Vatican City being the other)....

BigBadBrian
11-29-2012, 02:50 PM
Open to all and controlled by none.



Yeah, that will work. :lmao:

The rest of your response is ridiculous as well.

FORD
11-29-2012, 03:00 PM
Which would give the Christians two of them (Vatican City being the other)....

Not exactly.... Vatican City is controlled by the Catholic Church, and exists solely to promote the Catholic Church. The city state of Jerusalem would not officially promote any of the three religions, and would have a secular government, though it would likely include Jews, Muslims, and Christians.

Nitro Express
11-29-2012, 03:01 PM
What is needed is not a one state solution or even a two state solution, but a FOUR state solution.

Israel - as it was before 1967 - should be one state.

Since it's impossible for Gaza and the West Bank to be connected by land, it's not practical for them to be considered one Palestinian state. So make them two separate entities, and install an express railroad going from one to the other so Palestinians can travel from one to the other without harassment.

Jerusalem is sacred to Jews, Christians, and Muslims alike, and as such, should not be controlled by any one of the three. Only practical solution there is to make Jerusalem a city-state unto itself. Open to all and controlled by none.

Jewish settlers who have invaded Palestinian lands have the option of either moving back to Israel, or living in a Palestinian state according to Palestinian laws and customs. The same is true of Muslims who live within Israeli borders, accepting that it is a Jewish state.

Palestinians agree to abolish Hamas, and Israel agrees to abolish the Likud party.

Problem solved.

The problem with Israel is it's a Jewish theocracy. Even it's flag is a prayer shawl with the star of David on it. That flag shows Israel is a zionist state because the menorah is the true symbol of the Jews. The truth of the matter is it's the radical zionists that are a big part of the problem.

The only workable solution to the problem short of just making the place radioactive so nobody wants it anymore is to make Israel a united state, change the flag to a universal symbol and include all religions. Of course control of the temple mount will still be a problem. Maybe just contaminate it with radiation so nobody wants it will solve that problem.

BigBadBrian
11-29-2012, 03:02 PM
:lmao:

FORD
11-29-2012, 03:02 PM
Yeah, that will work. :lmao:

The rest of your response is ridiculous as well.

OK smartass. What's YOUR plan?

Let me guess.... whatever NuttyYahoo wants?

Nitro Express
11-29-2012, 03:06 PM
Not exactly.... Vatican City is controlled by the Catholic Church, and exists solely to promote the Catholic Church. The city state of Jerusalem would not officially promote any of the three religions, and would have a secular government, though it would likely include Jews, Muslims, and Christians.

Yup. Some christian religions consider the catholic church to be the church of the devil. We have to remember there is conflict within faiths. The sunnis and shites muslims hate each other. The thing is, if it's not religion people will just find something else to fight about. Also there are people who make a lot of money and get power by stirring the pot. If you are in banking or a military contractor the last thing you want is world peace.

BigBadBrian
11-29-2012, 03:06 PM
Why Is The US Building A Secret $100 Million Underground Facility Outside Tel Aviv?


Leave it to legendary Walter Pincus from the Washington Post to flesh out a Request for Proposal construction project planned for Israel called Site 911.
The oddly named project will cost up to $100 million, take more than two years to complete, and can only be built by workers from specific countries with proper security clearances. Palestinians need not apply.
When complete the well-guarded compound will have five levels buried underground and six additional outbuildings on the above grounds, within the perimeter. At about 127,000 square feet, the first three floors will house classrooms, an auditorium, and a laboratory — all wedged behind shock resistant doors — with radiation protection and massive security.

Only one gate will allow workers entrance and exit during the project and that will be guarded by only Israelis.

The bottom two floors are smaller, according to the full line of schematics uploaded to the Army's Acquisition Business Web Site, and possibly used for equipment and storage.
As impressive as the American design features already are, Ada Karmi-Melamede Architects will decorate the entire site with rocks it chooses, but are paid for by the contractor, and provide three outdoor picnic tables.
Pincus also found this detailed description of the mezuzahs that will adorn every door in the facility:
These mezuzas, notes the [US Army] Corps, “shall be written in inerasable ink, on . . . uncoated leather parchment” and be handwritten by a scribe “holding a written authorization according to Jewish law.” The writing may be “Ashkenazik or Sepharadik” but “not a mixture” and “must be uniform.”

Also, “The Mezuzahs shall be proof-read by a computer at an authorized institution for Mezuzah inspection, as well as manually proof-read for the form of the letters by a proof-reader authorized by the Chief Rabbinate.” The mezuza shall be supplied with an aluminum housing with holes so it can be connected to the door frame or opening. Finally, “All Mezuzahs for the facility shall be affixed by the Base’s Rabbi or his appointed representative and not by the contractor staff.”
Along with this request is another called 911 Phase 2.

Also in the $100 million range, Pincus finds the “complex facility with site development challenges” requiring services that include “electrical, communication, mechanical/ HVAC [heating, ventilation, air conditioning] and plumbing” requirements telling; and along with the fact that the contractor must posses a U.S. or Israeli Secret Security Clearance, he believes this phase to be a secure command center.
Pulitzer Prize winning, Yale grad, born in 1932 whose worked intelligence and media in D.C. since 1955 closes his piece with these shadowy words.
"The purpose of Site 911 is [un] clear."


Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/the-us-is-building-secret-site-911-in-israel-2012-11#ixzz2DdzT16hw

BigBadBrian
11-29-2012, 03:06 PM
OK smartass. What's YOUR plan?

Let me guess.... whatever NuttyYahoo wants?

I told you...give them Gaza.

Nitro Express
11-29-2012, 03:09 PM
I say paint the dome of the rock red. Put a big picture of Sammy Hagar on it. Play Sammy Hagar and Van Hagar music 24/7 on the temple mount. That should drive people away from it and make nobody want it anymore.

Nitro Express
11-29-2012, 03:13 PM
All I can say about Tel Aviv is it has pretty good beaches, great night clubs, and the girls like Americans. You stand a pretty good chance of getting laid there and at the end of the day. That's all that really matters. Then when you come home and say you visited Israel, people think you went there on a spiritual quest but in reality, you got drunk and probably fathered a few kids over there.

FORD
11-29-2012, 03:19 PM
I told you...give them Gaza.

So force all the Palestinians into a tiny piece of land completely surrounded by Israel?

Yeah, that's going to get a lot of votes.

FORD
11-29-2012, 03:21 PM
I say paint the dome of the rock red. Put a big picture of Sammy Hagar on it. Play Sammy Hagar and Van Hagar music 24/7 on the temple mount. That should drive people away from it and make nobody want it anymore.

Sammy is Lebanese, so he would probably go up there if he were going to open a Cabo Wabo franchise in the Middle East. Besides, I don't think the Muslims would be too happy about a tequila salesman taking over a mosque.

Nitro Express
11-29-2012, 03:24 PM
So force all the Palestinians into a tiny piece of land completely surrounded by Israel?

Yeah, that's going to get a lot of votes.

It's just history repeating itself. I mean people came here to escape religious persecution in Europe and then started persecuting others when they got here. The Nazis rounded the jews up into gettos. Now the Jews are rounding up the palestinians into gettos. History is full of the persecuted later turning into the persecutors. It has gone on and will go on. Just be glad you don't live there.

Nitro Express
11-29-2012, 03:27 PM
Sammy is Lebanese, so he would probably go up there if he were going to open a Cabo Wabo franchise in the Middle East. Besides, I don't think the Muslims would be too happy about a tequila salesman taking over a mosque.

Beruit used to be called the Paris on the Med. I had an uncle who was a pastry chef for a Norwegian cruise line. He had been all around the world and he always said Beruit was one of his favorite cities. I guess the place used to be amazing. The problem is Israel keeps bombing the place. So if Sammy built a Cabo Wabo in Beruit it probably would get bombed. If you build the Cabo Wabo on the temple mount, it won't get bombed. Nobody wants to bomb holy ground but it will keep people away. LOL!

Blaze
11-30-2012, 12:36 AM
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Nitro Express
11-30-2012, 01:57 AM
The UN General Assembly is just window dressing. It has no real authority. The real authority at the UN is the Security Council. The UN is pretty much a useless organization anyways.

Nitro Express
11-30-2012, 02:02 AM
Interesting why the Czech Republic is very pro Israel. I wonder if they have weapons contracts. When we would go shooting in Israel all the pistols we used were CZ pistols from the Czech Republic and a lot of people carried those pistols. IMI made fine pistols in Israel but a lot of the Israelis had Czech pistols.

BigBadBrian
11-30-2012, 05:50 AM
All I can say about Tel Aviv is it has pretty good beaches, great night clubs, and the girls like Americans. You stand a pretty good chance of getting laid there and at the end of the day. That's all that really matters. Then when you come home and say you visited Israel, people think you went there on a spiritual quest but in reality, you got drunk and probably fathered a few kids over there.

You forgot that most Israeli women seem to have big tits. Must be something in the water for the females there. :gulp:

Va Beach VH Fan
11-30-2012, 08:35 AM
You forgot that most Israeli women seem to have big tits. Must be something in the water for the females there. :gulp:

I was really surprised how many really good looking women there were when I was there in '98....

Blaze
12-01-2012, 02:30 AM
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Nitro Express
12-01-2012, 02:58 AM
I was really surprised how many really good looking women there were when I was there in '98....

I didn't really even want to go there but got talked into it. Yeah, the beautiful girls blew me away too. To be honest, some of the best times of my life were had in Israel. Things were pretty calm when I was there. Not too much trouble.

I've posted this before but it pretty much sums up what the other aspects of the the "holy land" are all about.