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  • John Ashcroft
    Veteran
    • Jan 2004
    • 2127

    Democrats Try to Destroy Nader

    Anti-choice Democrats don't want the people to have the option of voting for Ralph Nader. So they're trying to toss him from the ballot.

    Jano Cabrera, a spokesman for the national party, said Democrats would start in Arizona with a challenge to the validity of thousands of signatures that landed Nader on the ballot.

    Cabrera made it clear that the orchestrated attack was payback for Nader's contribution to Al Gore's defeat in 2000 and a pre-emptive strike to keep him from undermining John Kerry in November.

    "We have never been moved by Nader's repeated assertions that it was Al Gore and not he who was at fault for the outcome of the 2000 election, and apparently the Arizona Democrats seems unconvinced by his explanation as well," Cabrera admitted to the Associated Press.

    Stu Rothenberg, editor of Rothenberg Political Report, told the Christian Science Monitor: "I think Nader is scaring the bejeebies out of the Democrats. They have nightmares of 2000 all over again."

    Nader noted that the attacks against him had "a lot of mischief potential" because "there are very partisan Democrats" in the Arizona secretary of state's office.

    "If this becomes a pattern of harassment in other states, we will ask John Kerry to disown and disapprove of these anti-democratic tactics," said Nader, who still hasn't learned that "democratic" is all too often an antonym for "Democratic."


    'Exciting'


    Meanwhile, black Democrats in Congress had a nasty row Tuesday with Nader when he rejected their demands that he quit the race.

    "Shouts could be heard from inside the meeting in the basement of the U.S. Capitol with more than a dozen Congressional Black Caucus members, including Nader's voice, in what proved to be a rancorous session. One female shouted, 'You can't win,' to which Nader shot back an inaudible response," AP reported today.

    Caucus chairman Elijah Cummings, D-Md., fumed: "It became abundantly clear to us that this was about Ralph Nader and we were sorely disappointed."

    Osama bin Laden's favorite House member, Barbara Lee of California, moaned, "I told Mr. Nader today that a vote for Ralph Nader is really a vote for George Bush."

    Heh heh heh... But they just loved Perot!

    Rep. David Scott, D-Ga., complained, "Clearly his candidacy hurts our chances for the Democratic Party."

    As does your candidate, numb-nuts... And your policies... And you ethics...

    The hapless Nader, who has colluded with Kerry and boasted that he will help defeat President Bush, shrugged off the shouting match as an "exciting exchange" between two anti-Bush forces.

    "They feel passionately about their strategy, and we feel passionately about our strategy," said the alleged independent, who bragged that he would serve as a "second front" against Bush during the campaign.

    Nader's running mate, Green Party activist Peter Camejo, had condescending words for the black Democrats. He said he was "surprised by their lack of understanding of the growing trend towards independent action. It's a new phenomenon they're confronting."

    Link: here
  • FORD
    ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

    • Jan 2004
    • 58783

    #2
    With this line....

    Osama bin Laden's favorite House member, Barbara Lee of California
    ...this article loses any pretense of credibility.

    Now as to the Nader issue.... I don't have a problem with him running, as it's his constitutional right to do so. Just as it is with any of the other minor parties from the "socialist workers" party all the way to the "let's abolish all taxes and do away with the bill of rights except for the second ammendment" right wing fringe parties.

    And let's face it, Nader is about 99.5% correct in his assessment of what is wrong with the current Democratic party leadership.

    Now,having said that, I do wish he would drop out, voluntarily of course, after realizing that it's impossible for him to win, but likely to enable the BCE to do so
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    • Wayne L.

      #3
      Democrats will be destroying themselves internally after this presidential election when John Kerry loses to George W. Bush in November because of too much over the top anti-Bush rhetoric bordering on insane from most of their their allies like liberal loony Michael Moore.

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      • John Ashcroft
        Veteran
        • Jan 2004
        • 2127

        #4
        Originally posted by FORD
        With this line....



        ...this article loses any pretense of credibility.

        Now as to the Nader issue.... I don't have a problem with him running, as it's his constitutional right to do so. Just as it is with any of the other minor parties from the "socialist workers" party all the way to the "let's abolish all taxes and do away with the bill of rights except for the second ammendment" right wing fringe parties.

        And let's face it, Nader is about 99.5% correct in his assessment of what is wrong with the current Democratic party leadership.

        Now,having said that, I do wish he would drop out, voluntarily of course, after realizing that it's impossible for him to win, but likely to enable the BCE to do so
        There's a difference between "wishing he'd drop out" and actively trying to force him out (like your party is doing), eliminating an alternative choice (I guess dems are only pro-choice when it comes to killing babies, huh?).

        Hey, but at least we'll get to hear them whine and complain about "voter disenfranchisement" again after they lose this year.

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        • Ally_Kat
          ROTH ARMY SUPREME
          • Jan 2004
          • 7612

          #5
          Wait -- I thought we wanted Nader to run because it helped get Bush out of office? Y'all switched up on me again. Been hanging out with Kerry too much
          Roth Army Militia

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          • Pink Spider
            Sniper
            • Jan 2004
            • 867

            #6
            If there was a big name like Perot running again, the Republicans would be doing the same whining. It only leads me further to believe that the parties are both corporate ass kissing scum that care nothing about democracy That care more about campaign donations and more control over every aspect of rigging this sham of a system.

            In this case, the Democrats have lost all logic and sense and have further asserted themselves as part of the problem rather than the solution. Kerry is Bush-light that will move us further into darkness (albeit slower than Bush, maybe), rather than push for real reform.

            Although, they'll make it look like you're getting a good deal with Kerry, he's just a simple skull and bones man that voted to errode your civil liberties with the patriot act and supported this war in Iraq until someone told him to pretend not to. He's a puppet. Bought by the same people that brought you George W. Bush, namely corporate America and their propaganda outlet that they refer to as the "news" media.

            Vote libertarian, vote Green, vote Socialist, vote anybody else. If you hate the way this country has been going then don't vote for the establishment. It will never get you what you want. Ever.

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            • FORD
              ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

              • Jan 2004
              • 58783

              #7
              Originally posted by Pink Spider
              If there was a big name like Perot running again, the Republicans would be doing the same whining. It only leads me further to believe that the parties are both corporate ass kissing scum that care nothing about democracy That care more about campaign donations and more control over every aspect of rigging this sham of a system.

              In this case, the Democrats have lost all logic and sense and have further asserted themselves as part of the problem rather than the solution. Kerry is Bush-light that will move us further into darkness (albeit slower than Bush, maybe), rather than push for real reform.

              Although, they'll make it look like you're getting a good deal with Kerry, he's just a simple skull and bones man that voted to errode your civil liberties with the patriot act and supported this war in Iraq until someone told him to pretend not to. He's a puppet. Bought by the same people that brought you George W. Bush, namely corporate America and their propaganda outlet that they refer to as the "news" media.

              Vote libertarian, vote Green, vote Socialist, vote anybody else. If you hate the way this country has been going then don't vote for the establishment. It will never get you what you want. Ever.
              While I agree with all of what you just said, and am as disgusted by the Democratic party "leadership" as I am by the Repukes, there is the practical reality.

              Kerry's domestic agenda will at least be tolerable. Not great. Not by any means what it could and should be, but infinitely better than Bush's. And that includes appointments to the Federal bench, including the Supreme Court. In all likelihood, there will be at least 2 appointments to the SCOTUS within the next 4 years, and while Rehnquist for another right winger would be of little consequence, replacing Stevens with a radical conservative (think Ken $tarr) would be a complete disaster. And Sandra Day O'Connor, despite being a Reagan appointee and a member of the Felonious Florida Five, does not always vote according to the BCE's agenda. Her right wing replacement no doubt would.

              Sadly, foreign policy is probably fucked either way. But I'll take half a normal country over a total fascist state for now.

              And I'll be protesting Kerry everytime he does something stupid, just like with Junior.
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              "If the American people had ever known the truth about what we (the BCE) have done to this nation, we would be chased down in the streets and lynched." - Poppy Bush, 1992

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              • Pink Spider
                Sniper
                • Jan 2004
                • 867

                #8
                Whether fascism comes in the form or neo-liberalism or neo-conservatism, between the two parties it's inevitable. I would rather choose the 3rd or 4th non fascist option even if they don't have a chance in winning. My vote will at least make a very small dent.

                Voting Kerry might delay the inevitable, but that's wishful thinking. The neo-cons (if he can't be considered one of them) will run over the flip-flopper in no time.

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                • John Ashcroft
                  Veteran
                  • Jan 2004
                  • 2127

                  #9
                  Originally posted by FORD
                  Kerry's domestic agenda will at least be tolerable. Not great. Not by any means what it could and should be, but infinitely better than Bush's. And that includes appointments to the Federal bench, including the Supreme Court. In all likelihood, there will be at least 2 appointments to the SCOTUS within the next 4 years, and while Rehnquist for another right winger would be of little consequence, replacing Stevens with a radical conservative (think Ken $tarr) would be a complete disaster. And Sandra Day O'Connor, despite being a Reagan appointee and a member of the Felonious Florida Five, does not always vote according to the BCE's agenda. Her right wing replacement no doubt would.
                  And there you have it folks! Ford showing the liberals true modus-operandi. You know damn well your cockamainey ideas never pass when put to a vote of the people, so you rely on liberal activists in the judiciary to implement your socialist ideology. Hell, look at the 9th circus! They outright author legislation, and strike legislation that doesn't follow Karl Marx's ideology from the record. Look how many state questions they've thrown out! For example, the people of California vote to stop providing illegal immigrants free health care (by a large margin), the circus throws it out.

                  The great thing is, the American public see the danger in your party's plan. I know you've noticed that you're losing elections... Maybe it's time to reevaluate your party's ideology and methodology. You think? Blaming Conservatives for everything under the sun isn't working. At what point does your party look inward?

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                  • FORD
                    ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

                    • Jan 2004
                    • 58783

                    #10
                    Originally posted by John Ashcroft
                    And there you have it folks! Ford showing the liberals true modus-operandi. You know damn well your cockamainey ideas never pass when put to a vote of the people, so you rely on liberal activists in the judiciary to implement your socialist ideology. Hell, look at the 9th circus! They outright author legislation, and strike legislation that doesn't follow Karl Marx's ideology from the record. Look how many state questions they've thrown out! For example, the people of California vote to stop providing illegal immigrants free health care (by a large margin), the circus throws it out.

                    The great thing is, the American public see the danger in your party's plan. I know you've noticed that you're losing elections... Maybe it's time to reevaluate your party's ideology and methodology. You think? Blaming Conservatives for everything under the sun isn't working. At what point does your party look inward?
                    Hey, don't confuse this with MY plan. My plan would be to run a Dean/Kucinich ticket, get the votes of the 50% of the country that doesn't bother to fucking show up to vote - because of fucking idiots like Kerry and the DLC- and dismantle the treasonous neocon machine that has taken over BOTH parties. I'd even consider a Dean/Buchanan ticket to bring REAL conservatives into the fold.

                    I'd rather argue legitimate policy differences with true conservatives again, instead of fighting a life or death struggle against these fucking neocon shitbag traitors.
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                    "If the American people had ever known the truth about what we (the BCE) have done to this nation, we would be chased down in the streets and lynched." - Poppy Bush, 1992

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                    • John Ashcroft
                      Veteran
                      • Jan 2004
                      • 2127

                      #11
                      So then, just how different is President Bush's domestic agenda than other liberals in your party? Hell, he's outspent them on most of their pet issues.

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                      • FORD
                        ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

                        • Jan 2004
                        • 58783

                        #12
                        Originally posted by John Ashcroft
                        So then, just how different is President Bush's domestic agenda than other liberals in your party? Hell, he's outspent them on most of their pet issues.
                        One would assume that even Kerry wouldn't pack the courts with Bork/Scalia/Thomas type reactionary right wing judges. He would also be unlikely to allow corporations to rape the planet at will, the way Junior has. Most of Junior's spending has been in "defense" and "homeland security" due to a situation that he was very possibly complicit in himself. With a big chunk of it going straight to Uncle Dick's retirement fund at Halliburton.
                        Eat Us And Smile

                        Cenk For America 2024!!

                        Justice Democrats


                        "If the American people had ever known the truth about what we (the BCE) have done to this nation, we would be chased down in the streets and lynched." - Poppy Bush, 1992

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                        • John Ashcroft
                          Veteran
                          • Jan 2004
                          • 2127

                          #13
                          Which chunk of America did the Bush administration allow the "evil" corporations to rape? last I checked, ANWAR didn't pass.

                          And again, with the court systems... Funny you never hear about Conservative judiciaries legislating from the bench. Funny that the most overturned courts in the land happen to fall on the left side of the ideological spectrum. Do you have any kind of support for your assessment of conservative judges being "reactionary"?

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                          • FORD
                            ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

                            • Jan 2004
                            • 58783

                            #14
                            Originally posted by John Ashcroft
                            Which chunk of America did the Bush administration allow the "evil" corporations to rape? last I checked, ANWAR didn't pass.

                            And again, with the court systems... Funny you never hear about Conservative judiciaries legislating from the bench. Funny that the most overturned courts in the land happen to fall on the left side of the ideological spectrum. Do you have any kind of support for your assessment of conservative judges being "reactionary"?
                            Three words: Felonious Florida Five.

                            And I'll get to the environmental stuff a little later
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                            Cenk For America 2024!!

                            Justice Democrats


                            "If the American people had ever known the truth about what we (the BCE) have done to this nation, we would be chased down in the streets and lynched." - Poppy Bush, 1992

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                            • John Ashcroft
                              Veteran
                              • Jan 2004
                              • 2127

                              #15
                              Sorry dude, we'll never agree on the 2000 election.

                              But I'm interested in other examples. I also eagerly await your support for the "rape and pilliage the earth" claim. I've seen quite a bit on this accusation already, all of it horseshit of course, but maybe you'll bring something new to the table.

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