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  • SunisinuS
    Crazy Ass Mofo
    • May 2010
    • 3301

    Meat Eaters....always a barrel of laughs....is Ted Nugent outraged?

    Seems more up his alley that being unpatriotic:



    You are what you eat!


    SACRAMENTO, Calif. (AP) — An undercover video that showed California cows struggling to stand as they were prodded to slaughter by forklifts led to the largest meat recall in U.S. history. In Vermont, a video of veal calves skinned alive and tossed like sacks of potatoes ended with the plant's closure and criminal convictions.

    Now in a pushback led by the meat and poultry industries, state legislators across the country are introducing laws making it harder for animal welfare advocates to investigate cruelty and food safety cases.

    Some bills make it illegal to take photographs at a farming operation. Others make it a crime for someone such as an animal welfare advocate to lie on an application to get a job at a plant.

    Bills pending in California, Nebraska and Tennessee require that anyone collecting evidence of abuse turn it over to law enforcement within 24 to 48 hours — which advocates say does not allow enough time to document illegal activity under federal humane handling and food safety laws.

    "We believe that folks in the agriculture community and folks from some of the humane organizations share the same concerns about animal cruelty," said Mike Zimmerman, chief of staff for Assembly Member Jim Patterson, R-Fresno, whose bill was unveiled this week. "If there's abuse taking place, there is no sense in letting it continue so you can make a video."

    Patterson's bill, sponsored by the California Cattlemen's Association, would make failing to turn over video of abuse to law enforcement within 48 hours an infraction punishable by a fine.
    Critics say the bills are an effort to deny consumers the ability to know how their food is produced.
    "The meat industry's mantra is always that these are isolated cases, but the purpose of these bills is to prevent any pattern of abuse from being documented," said Paul Shapiro, vice president of farm animal protection for the Humane Society of the United States, which conducted the California and Vermont investigations.
    In Indiana, Arkansas and Pennsylvania it would be a crime to make videos at agricultural operations.

    The goal of the proposed California law, industry representatives say, is to halt any abuses quickly and get video evidence to government regulators within two days, not to impede undercover investigations by animal welfare groups.

    "The people doing this aren't cops so I wouldn't think it's their job to build a case. The goal for all of us is to reduce instances of animal abuse," said David Daley, a Cattlemen vice president and professor of agricultural science at California State University-Chico.

    Formal opposition to the California bill comes from the ASPCA, the Teamsters, the HSUS and dozens of others. They say these attempts by the agriculture industry to stop investigations are a part of a nationwide agenda set by the American Legislative Exchange Council, a conservative think tank backed by business interests.

    ALEC has labeled those who interfere with animal operations "terrorists," though a spokesman said he wishes now that the organization had called its legislation the "Freedom to Farm Act" rather than the "Animal and Ecological Terrorism Act."

    "At the end of the day it's about personal property rights or the individual right to privacy," said spokesman Bill Meierling. "You wouldn't want me coming into your home with a hidden camera."
    Animal welfare advocates say all of the focus on secrecy is energy misspent.

    "I wish the cattlemen actually wanted to stop cruelty, not the documenting of cruelty," said HSUS California director Jennifer Fearing. "One could think of a thousand ways for them to actually stop cruelty rather than waiting for people to make videos and turn them over."

    Animal welfare advocates say law enforcement agencies do not have the time or inclination to work complex animal abuse and food safety cases, and that federal USDA inspectors in slaughter plants have turned a blind eye to abuse.

    When a USDA inspector at the Vermont plant was heard in 2009 coaching a plant worker on how to avoid being shut down, U.S. Agriculture Secretary Tom Vilsack weighed in, calling the conduct "inexcusable."
    In reaction to concerns, the USDA has been working to improve enforcement of its humane handling regulations over the past two years, including establishing an ombudsman position that accepts reports of violations. Last year 24 new positions in the Food Safety Inspection Service were dedicated to humane handling, said a high-ranking food safety official not authorized to speak publicly.

    That hasn't slowed investigations or the bills designed to stop them. The Arkansas bill goes further than the others and would prohibit anyone other than law enforcement from investigating animal cases.
    Last year Iowa, a major egg-producing state, passed a bill making it illegal to deny being a member of an animal welfare organization on a farm job application. Utah passed one that outlaws photography.
    Most of the sensational videos of abuse in recent years are shot by undercover operatives who surreptitiously apply and are hired by the meat processors for jobs within the facilities. One recorded last year by Compassion over Killing at Central Valley Meats in Hanford, Calif. showed a worker standing on a downed dairy cow's nostrils to suffocate it and others repeatedly shot in the head, prompting several fast-food hamburger to cancel contracts, at least temporarily.

    Animal welfare groups say investigations take weeks because the operatives nose around only when they aren't performing the duties for which they were hired.

    An HSUS investigator was in the Hallmark plant in Southern California for six weeks between October and November 2007, when the nonprofit turned over to the local district attorney evidence that included fraud in the federal school lunch program because animals too sick to walk were being slaughtered. In January 2008, HSUS released the video to force the DA to act. Two employees were convicted of cruelty charges.

    Late last year, nine workers at a Wyoming pork processing facility were charged with animal cruelty after an HSUS video showed them kicking and tossing piglets and failing to euthanize a sow gravely injured by a worker while giving birth.
    In 2009, HSUS spent 21 days in the Vermont slaughterhouse where male calves born to dairy cows were killed for veal.

    "Believe me our investigators would like to be out of there as soon as possible. They're stoic, they're courageous, but they are not enjoying their work at all," said Mary Beth Sweetland, director of investigations for HSUS.
    Last edited by SunisinuS; 03-18-2013, 12:00 AM. Reason: lol please don't film our crimes.....
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  • Nitro Express
    DIAMOND STATUS
    • Aug 2004
    • 32798

    #2
    You are going to have problems wherever money and profit is a motivator. Not all meat operations are bad and frankly most people don't live on farms anymore and are removed from the dirty work of killing and processing. Most people could not cut a chicken's head off or hit a cow in the head with a sledge hammer. They go to the store and buy their meat in packaging and leave the dirty work to someone else somewhere unseen.

    I own my own cattle. I free range them on land my family owns. I like grass fed beef and you can tell if it's grass fed if the fat is yellow. There are still people free ranging in Idaho, Montana, and Wyoming but there isn't much money in it. If you want to make money you have to go the more modern route of doing things.

    I notice more and more meat is coming up from Mexico. It's processed in the states but the raising and slaughter is done in Mexico. I wonder what those operations are like?
    No! You can't have the keys to the wine cellar!

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    • LoungeMachine
      DIAMOND STATUS
      • Jul 2004
      • 32576

      #3
      Originally posted by Nitro Express
      You are going to have problems wherever money and profit is a motivator. Not all meat operations are bad and frankly most people don't live on farms anymore and are removed from the dirty work of killing and processing. Most people could not cut a chicken's head off or hit a cow in the head with a sledge hammer. They go to the store and buy their meat in packaging and leave the dirty work to someone else somewhere unseen.

      I own my own cattle. I free range them on land my family owns.


      You crack me the fuck up......

      Every post is either chock full of bland, "no shit?" rhetoric, OR complete bullshit boasting of shit you and/or your family owns/runs/did......



      But THIS post has both


      But then again, like you said.....80% of what you post is complete, made up bullshit anyway.

      asshat.
      Originally posted by Kristy
      Dude, what in the fuck is wrong with you? I'm full of hate and I do drugs.
      Originally posted by cadaverdog
      I posted under aliases and I jerk off with a sock. Anything else to add?

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      • ELVIS
        Banned
        • Dec 2003
        • 44120

        #4
        What percentage of your bullshit is bullshit ??

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        • VetteLS5
          Commando
          • Mar 2012
          • 1130

          #5
          Originally posted by Nitro Express
          There are still people free ranging in Idaho, Montana, and Wyoming but there isn't much money in it. If you want to make money you have to go the more modern route of doing things.
          Odd... the big moneymaker in my neck of the woods is grass fed beef. I'd venture to guess that 75% or more of the beef producers in VA use this method. They are using it because it benefits their land-use (rotational grazing), and is cheaper than shipping in tons of grain. Some finish the beef on grain, others do not. But the common denominator is that the grass fed beef is more expensive than "conventional", which would lead me to believe that the add'l costs that might eat into their profit margin are being passed along.

          A lot of people don't like the taste of grass fed because they think it's too gamey - especially if it's not grain finished. I kind of agree... given the choice I would rather eat venison than a 100% grass fed steak.

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          • Nickdfresh
            SUPER MODERATOR

            • Oct 2004
            • 49205

            #6
            Interesting how "conservative groups" aided by their whor'oliticians nominally claiming to be libertarian are basically trying to stifle freedom of speech by restricting data as if a fucking slaughterhouse was a top secret Pentagon project...

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            • Nickdfresh
              SUPER MODERATOR

              • Oct 2004
              • 49205

              #7
              Here's the video the California cunt politicians want to censor and you're not supposed to see. Graphic and upsetting for some. One of the calves was illegally skinned alive in front of a USDA Inspector at the 1:57 mark:



              I believe this is the facility that was shut down with criminal prosecutions were made...

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              • ELVIS
                Banned
                • Dec 2003
                • 44120

                #8
                How do libartarians factor into this ??

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                • Matt White
                  • Jun 2004
                  • 20565

                  #9
                  ALEC...............just follow the money trail

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                  • LoungeMachine
                    DIAMOND STATUS
                    • Jul 2004
                    • 32576

                    #10
                    Originally posted by ELVIS
                    What percentage of your bullshit is bullshit ??
                    Hilarious coming from an Alex Jones sac licker.....

                    Originally posted by Kristy
                    Dude, what in the fuck is wrong with you? I'm full of hate and I do drugs.
                    Originally posted by cadaverdog
                    I posted under aliases and I jerk off with a sock. Anything else to add?

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                    • ELVIS
                      Banned
                      • Dec 2003
                      • 44120

                      #11
                      Queer bait says what ??

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                      • LoungeMachine
                        DIAMOND STATUS
                        • Jul 2004
                        • 32576

                        #12
                        Originally posted by ELVIS
                        Queer bait says what ??


                        Bet you chuckled to yourself as you were typing that.

                        Does the misdirection work in real life?



                        Or does the constant queer/homo/gay/fag talk just make people wonder about you even more....
                        Originally posted by Kristy
                        Dude, what in the fuck is wrong with you? I'm full of hate and I do drugs.
                        Originally posted by cadaverdog
                        I posted under aliases and I jerk off with a sock. Anything else to add?

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                        • ELVIS
                          Banned
                          • Dec 2003
                          • 44120

                          #13
                          Who gives a fuck ??

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                          • Nitro Express
                            DIAMOND STATUS
                            • Aug 2004
                            • 32798

                            #14
                            Originally posted by VetteLS5
                            Odd... the big moneymaker in my neck of the woods is grass fed beef. I'd venture to guess that 75% or more of the beef producers in VA use this method. They are using it because it benefits their land-use (rotational grazing), and is cheaper than shipping in tons of grain. Some finish the beef on grain, others do not. But the common denominator is that the grass fed beef is more expensive than "conventional", which would lead me to believe that the add'l costs that might eat into their profit margin are being passed along.

                            A lot of people don't like the taste of grass fed because they think it's too gamey - especially if it's not grain finished. I kind of agree... given the choice I would rather eat venison than a 100% grass fed steak.
                            You can't make a lot of money with a small cattle operation. If you run efficiently, get the tax breaks, and have no predator kills you will make a supplemental income but it would be hard to raise a family on it. If you have to buy feed hay to winter your breeding stock, that's very expensive now and that will really cut into your profits.

                            The only way to make any real money in the cattle business is to run large operations.
                            No! You can't have the keys to the wine cellar!

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                            • Nitro Express
                              DIAMOND STATUS
                              • Aug 2004
                              • 32798

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Nickdfresh
                              Here's the video the California cunt politicians want to censor and you're not supposed to see. Graphic and upsetting for some. One of the calves was illegally skinned alive in front of a USDA Inspector at the 1:57 mark:



                              I believe this is the facility that was shut down with criminal prosecutions were made...
                              The calves can't walk because they are penned up so they don't develop tough muscles and the result is tender veal cutlets. On the skinning alive shot I couldn't tell if that was the case or not. Animals kick around for awhile after they are killed like how chickens run around for awhile after you chop their heads off. It's a mass production slaughter house and they do things quickly. Like I said, most people can't handle seeing the dirty work. If they let the calves run around on nice grass they would develop muscles and then the person ordering Wiener schnitzel would complain that the meat is tough.
                              No! You can't have the keys to the wine cellar!

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