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  • Hardrock69
    DIAMOND STATUS
    • Feb 2005
    • 21834

    Guitar Center Is On It's Death Bed....On Life Support




    Article from this past November......2012....

    From all sides, it looks like Guitar Center may be in a slow spiral into oblivion. That sounds harsh, but things aren’t going well for the company and haven’t been for years. Moody’s downgraded them…again. S&P Downgraded them…again. They haven’t posted a net profit in several years. They’re getting screwed in loan interest. And, to top it all off, rumors are circulating that manufacturers are getting antsy with GC’s poor performance.





    A bit of history is in order.

    Guitar Center was founded in California in 1959 by a dude named Wayne Mitchell. Originally an organ dealer named The Organ Center, they started finding more money in Vox guitars and amps. Changing their name to The Vox Center in 1964. The name didn’t last too long, and by 1970, Mitchell finally changed the name to Guitar Center.

    But the big story behind GC is the name Larry Thomas. Starting out as a salesman in 1977 in the San Francisco store, Larry made his way up to CEO and President in less than 20 years. After taking over in 1991, Larry was the guy who made GC “The largest music retailer in the world.

    It’s a great American story. A young man starts off at the bottom of the ladder, works his way up, and ushers his company into greatness.

    If only it had stopped there.

    On June 27, 2007 GC was bought out by Bain Capital for $1.9 billion plus assumed debt. With the debt, Bain had written a $2.1 billion dollar check for Guitar Center and all of its subsidiaries.

    For those who don’t know, Bain Capital is a private equity and venture capital group that was founded in 1984 by current presidential nominee Mitt Romney. Basically, Bain buys companies, restructures them, and then sells them off at a profit. There are some success stories, and some no-so-success stories.

    Unfortunately, when it came to Guitar Center, Bain hasn’t had much luck. One of the common complaints among GC employees after the restructuring involves their compensation. It’s hard to believe, but Guitar Center used to offer comprehensive pension and benefit plans. It’s the usual story. Outsource IT to India, freeze raises for years, increase management but cutting back on sales personnel by making them part-time, making it difficult to keep the floor covered.

    And being hit by a recession right after the buy out didn’t help matters any.



    Where are we now?

    Guitar Center is more than 1.6 billion dollars in debt. I’ll say that again so that you can fully grasp what I’m saying. Guitar Center owes 1,600,000,000.00 dollars to other people. As of March of last year, they had been on their knees begging to get a 2.5 year extension on $650 million of that total debt load. For an extension to April 2017, GC agreed to a 9.9% total interest rate.

    An interest rate of 9.9% means that GC needs to pay back $64,350,000 dollars in interest on that $650 million dollar loan. And that’s only one loan! They have another for $622 million that they’re asking for an 18-month deferment on 50% of the interest payments. Who knows what the interest is on that bastard.

    Even though GC murdered its competition by having over $2 billion in sales in 2011 – Doubling Sam Ash’s sales at the no. 2 spot – they still don’t have enough cash flow to cover even the interest in its debts. Which is explained in the Moody’s downgrade.

    So, how does the world’s top seller of music gear end up not making enough money to cover their debt?

    First, you need to know that that $2 billion figure is not just GC’s brick and mortar stores. That figure includes Musician’s Friend, Harmony Central, Music and Arts, and all of their subsidiaries.

    That $2 billion ain’t profit. To give you an idea of the costs of running the GC empire: According to Moody’s, in May of 2011, Guitar Center’s earnings, before “interest, taxes, depreciation, and amortization,” was estimated at $170 million. Dropping down from $2 billion to $170 million is one hell of a kick to the head.

    From here it gets a bit harder to follow.

    You see, in the business world, earnings aren’t the same thing as profit. According to Guitar Center’s filings for 2011, their Gross Profit is about 30% of their total sales or $60 million. “Interest, taxes, depreciation, and amortization” must be damn expensive if it took them from $170 million to $60 million.

    To add to the cluster-frak sundae that is Guitar Center’s finances, according to their 2011 filings, Guitar Center had a Net loss of 7.4% or $111 million. My guess is that number includes payments on taxes and loan interest. Either way, if GC continues working with a Net loss of $111 million with a $1.6 billion dollar debt load, they might as well put their heads between their legs and kiss their ass goodbye.

    Recently Moody’s has downgraded Guitar Center’s liquidity rating to Speculative Liquidity Grade – 3. Basically, it means that GC doesn’t have enough money to cover its interest expenses. On top of that, Moody’s is pretty sure that GC’s performance won’t improve over the next 12 months.



    What’s going to happen now?

    Well, that’s a tough question to answer. There are too many companies that have their hats in the ring to let Guitar Center go into bankruptcy so easily. Also, manufacturers are getting pissed at GC. Most of that mounting debt is probably due to them for product. And Guitar Center has been telling a lot of the manufacturers to piss off. But, most of these manufactures can’t simply jump ship. They sell too much of their stuff through GC. Most of them are probably just sitting quietly and trying to ride out the storm. But if things get much worse, don’t be surprised if you seen big brands pulling their lines.

    Guitar Center’s reaction seems to be to get further into debt by opening more brick and mortar stores. They’re trying to make themselves look pretty, like nothing’s wrong. “Don’t worry. We’re expanding. Everything’s great.” All the while, they’re only burying themselves deeper under a mountain of debt.

    Much of Guitar Center’s debt is coming due in April of 2013, which is not that far away. I guess we’ll just have to see what happens then. I would be surprised if Guitar Center didn’t go down. But if there are enough people who are willing to throw money at them, then I guess they’ll stay in business. If they do go down, I just hope they don’t take the rest of us with them.

  • ELVIS
    Banned
    • Dec 2003
    • 44120

    #2
    Maybe Obomba will give Guitar Center a bailout...

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    • Matt White
      • Jun 2004
      • 20446

      #3
      NEVER a fan of GC............

      wouldn't hurt me a bit to see them go away....much prefer the "Mom & Pop" shops with customer service & actual Guitar Luthiers....

      sad to see another profitable AMERICAN company ruined by BAIN...thanks again Mittens

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      • ashstralia
        ROTH ARMY ELITE
        • Feb 2004
        • 6555

        #4
        you guys should come here as 'economic refugees' while you still can...

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        • ELVIS
          Banned
          • Dec 2003
          • 44120

          #5
          I've given it some thought...

          People don't see how our economy is being artificially propped up with nothing but thin hot air...

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          • Matt White
            • Jun 2004
            • 20446

            #6
            I'm still amazed that people haven't seen the devaluing of the dollar for ages as part of the plot to drive down wages here....AMERICA has been sold down the river...we're just now waking up to the sad reality..."WELCOME TO THE 21st CENTURY"...more like "The 19th CENTURY was so profitable we wanted a do-Over!"

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            • jhale667
              DIAMOND STATUS
              • Aug 2004
              • 20929

              #7
              I made a ton of friends and connections there, it's how I got into teching...but I must say , they were a fucking horrible company to work for. I made decent money as a manager back in the day, but I my friends that are still there tell me they've reduced the compensation to PITIFUL levels now to where you could be the best sales guy on the planet and you'll never break $30K in a year... who can live on that??

              I refused to play along with the management headgames they play on non-managerial employees (they'd prefer to rule by fear, but anyone with a brain knows that doesn't work), and wouldn't write up my guys over stupid little infractions like they wanted (always keep disciplinary paper-trail, y'know), or things of that nature. I actually got called into the office by my store and sales manager one day to be asked "Dude, we're wondering... WHY ARE YOU HERE? You're not like our usual employee. I mean, clearly you've read a book or two..." I heard the Amityville Horro "Get OUT!!" voice in my head... jumped ship for greener pastures and never looked back.

              Part of their business model actually MANDATES that they open X number of stores a year... which they should probably seriously cut back on at this point...

              They also recently got nailed in a class action lawsuit for a completely illegal deal they used to pull on hourly employees... they'd pressure you to clock out (since your base pay was deducted from your commission), and then try to keep you there (even locking the doors) after closing for a couple of hours so they could get free labor - AND they'd actually have the audacity to tell you that you "weren't a team player" for refusing to work for free! Missed getting a payout of missed wages by a few months due to the effective dates of the suit, but some of my friends actually got back pay they were owed...


              Having worked for them, I can say IMO based on witnessing their shitty business practices first hand they pretty much deserve whatever's happening to them right now.
              Originally posted by conmee
              If anyone even thinks about deleting the Muff Thread they are banned.... no questions asked.

              That is all.

              Icon.
              Originally posted by GO-SPURS-GO
              I've seen prominent hypocrite liberal on this site Jhale667


              Originally posted by Isaac R.
              Then it's really true??:eek:

              The Muff Thread is really just GONE ???

              OMFG...who in their right mind...???
              Originally posted by eddie78
              I was wrong about you, brother. You're good.

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              • DLR Bridge
                ROCKSTAR

                • Mar 2011
                • 5470

                #8
                So, should I just take a brick to the window, grab what I want and run as they probably have stopped paying for security? Thoughts on this please.

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                • jhale667
                  DIAMOND STATUS
                  • Aug 2004
                  • 20929

                  #9
                  Their corporate goal apart from being the Home Depot of guitars, was/is to "crush every other music retailer" - especially mom & pop stores. Good to see they may not succeed at that goal.
                  Originally posted by conmee
                  If anyone even thinks about deleting the Muff Thread they are banned.... no questions asked.

                  That is all.

                  Icon.
                  Originally posted by GO-SPURS-GO
                  I've seen prominent hypocrite liberal on this site Jhale667


                  Originally posted by Isaac R.
                  Then it's really true??:eek:

                  The Muff Thread is really just GONE ???

                  OMFG...who in their right mind...???
                  Originally posted by eddie78
                  I was wrong about you, brother. You're good.

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                  • DLR Bridge
                    ROCKSTAR

                    • Mar 2011
                    • 5470

                    #10
                    Soooooo....brick through the window?

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                    • jhale667
                      DIAMOND STATUS
                      • Aug 2004
                      • 20929

                      #11
                      Originally posted by DLR Bridge
                      Soooooo....brick through the window?
                      Have they stopped paying to run the security cameras yet?
                      Originally posted by conmee
                      If anyone even thinks about deleting the Muff Thread they are banned.... no questions asked.

                      That is all.

                      Icon.
                      Originally posted by GO-SPURS-GO
                      I've seen prominent hypocrite liberal on this site Jhale667


                      Originally posted by Isaac R.
                      Then it's really true??:eek:

                      The Muff Thread is really just GONE ???

                      OMFG...who in their right mind...???
                      Originally posted by eddie78
                      I was wrong about you, brother. You're good.

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                      • sadaist
                        TOASTMASTER GENERAL
                        • Jul 2004
                        • 11625

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Matt White

                        sad to see another profitable AMERICAN company ruined by BAIN...thanks again Mittens


                        Wrong. I can't stand liberal minds.


                        They were having problems to begin with or Bain would never had been involved. And blame GC sucking on the failed guitar heroes that work there that make every customer feel inadequate and ashamed to even be in their presence. Keeps a lot of people out of that place no matter how good the deals are.
                        “Great losses often bring only a numb shock. To truly plunge a victim into misery, you must overwhelm him with many small sufferings.”

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                        • Hardrock69
                          DIAMOND STATUS
                          • Feb 2005
                          • 21834

                          #13
                          They could just as easily be selling shoes, or pet supplies, or whatever.

                          Some ignorant suits thought "Hey, let's make a Home Depot chain for musicians....we can run it at a loss for years, then sell it and cash out........if it gets too bad we can just file Chapter 13 and walk away, and avoid a large tax bite by writing it off as a loss.....".

                          Music does not enter into the reason for GC's existence.

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                          • ashstralia
                            ROTH ARMY ELITE
                            • Feb 2004
                            • 6555

                            #14
                            having people selling anything on a commission basis these days is just dumb. all the competition...

                            case in point;

                            one of my students recently bought a mex tele shipped from the u.s. in a case for 600 clams aus... i doubt fender australia gets them that cheap at wholesale. the internet is changing the retail model forever.

                            brick and mortar shops will go the way of the dinosaur.

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                            • DLR Bridge
                              ROCKSTAR

                              • Mar 2011
                              • 5470

                              #15
                              Originally posted by sadaist
                              Wrong. I can't stand liberal minds.


                              They were having problems to begin with or Bain would never had been involved. And blame GC sucking on the failed guitar heroes that work there that make every customer feel inadequate and ashamed to even be in their presence. Keeps a lot of people out of that place no matter how good the deals are.
                              Bub, you've got friends here with liberal minds. Separate yourself from your fellow conservative minds in here with their vitriolic tone (see Sean Penn's son thread) and simply say you disagree.

                              Bain set out to absorb, profit from, then discard struggling companies. Look at their track record. Not sure I follow your failed guitar hero angle. A lot of these cats work on draw commission, so the last thing they ever did to me upon entering was treat me like I was worthless. If anything, they're too nice.

                              All of those places are the same though. Sam Ash, etc... I agree that Mom & Pops stores are the way to go.

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