Tabula Rasa

[Seshmeister]

Well this isn’t going to be an easy post to make and it's going to end up being stupidly long because of the shit I need to cover.

So how not to sound like a pompous windbag fuck or like I’m doing a rotary club speech or some shit? How to get across to people I’m making some changes for the best?

Anyhoo welcome to the new incarnation of the legendary Roth Army Website.

I first posted here around 2000. Like many of you I don’t really post at other message boards,

I somehow got drawn into this one. I think that was mainly because of the charisma and plain common sense of the founder who instinctively laid out a way to do this kind of site for all these years which worked so well.

Over the years it’s become a community more than anything else. Yeah Classic Van Halen/Dave Lee Roth has been my favourite music since 1979 but that would not have been enough for me to keep posting and reading stuff here all that time, it’s become a bit more than the music.

Anyhoo I digress. I would like to thank my pal Sarge for trusting me with the site. I see this very much as a trusteeship. It’s not my new toy, an ego thing or whatever. After the pain of going through two penis reduction operations in the 1990s the last thing I would want to do is go through that again.

Sarge wanted to move on and particularly given a number of issues/problems/opportunities at this time I felt I should step up.

I’d like to thank Sarge for his faith in me as the best second choice and all of the kind posts people have made on the news.

So now I have to tell a bunch of people what I’m doing with their site and try to justify doing things they don’t want me to.

Moderators

This is the most difficult part of this for me.

The obvious path for me would be to go to a dozen of my old pals here and from DDLR and make them moderators. I would continue to be reasonably popular and we could all stagger on to the next crisis.

I’m not going to do that.

Most of you will have noticed that there have been huge fights and arguments here among very long standing members and many people are upset. It’s spilled over to affect people who only had the best intentions and motivations and it’s all got a bit ugly and tiresome.

I’ll be honest and say that I’ve only read less than half of the fights and I’m still not completely sure what it was all originally about.

So I have been thinking about why we get into these cycles of appointing great people and then there being fights and problems in cycles.

I’ve been involved in these sites for 13 years now and in the last few weeks in particular really thought about it and come to the conclusion that the model we have been using just doesn't work. Assigning a forum to someone doesn't make their posts better or even more prevalent. Once you have a bunch of moderators there are two possible outcomes.

a) They start fighting with each other which is a misery
b) They collect together and fight as a team in a ‘musketeers’ all for one way.

I used to think b) was cool but it isn't really. If you get into an argument with a moderator where say you both have equally valid points it can give them the upper hand and I don’t think that’s good. To be honest one of the main reasons I hesitated taking up this gig was that I'm really going to miss having big debates on here, I'm not sure that will be possible now.

So why have moderators at all? Well if you are a new website I guess it is a way to attract people into the fold but that novelty will soon wear off. Second reason is to do the essential shit of dealing with the really bad stuff. To that end I've appointed two Super mods who I don’t actually know very well personally but have watched for a long time and respect. These are guys that are very cool headed and don’t get drawn into arguments while having some IT tech skills.

No one has been sacked!

That’s an even more ridiculous statement to make here than on the Apprentice (and I have better hair - just)

In the new model the roles don’t exist.

A minority of people were irritated by some of the actions of moderators here. I think they did an amazing job under crazy circumstances. The guy that owned and defined the site was forced to be an absentee landlord for close to what 8 years? (EDIT: Absentee landlord maybe isn't the best term to use, superhero lifesaver is maybe better).

During all that time the moderators and in particular VA Beach were caught in a completely fucking impossible position of having responsibility without power trying to interpret what Sarge would want done. That’s a terrible trap and if occasionally the odd mistake was made, people should remember that prior to that we had a guy called Mezro…

It’s going to really weird for a short while without FORD being a moderator or whatever but I want to ask people particularly the mods themselves to take a step back and think about what it was like being one. We rarely used our powers as is right, it certainly didn’t make me post any more in my forums, the only thing it did do is give access to a moderator forum which usually consisted of posts about worries and problems and complaints.

I honestly think that once people get used to the idea they will enjoy being here more.

If in time it turns out I'm wrong about this I will change, you know me I'm Mr Rationalist.’

Also I'm going to be getting in touch with people to ask if they would be willing to do specific jobs for the site rather than the non-job of being a moderator. Surely it’s much cooler to, for example be the guy that holds the DLR Army Guitar Online Workshop Session advertised on social media than the guy who moved a thread from the Non forum to the Music Forum last March?

So a bit of an outline on where we're going here. I'll tidy this up and sort out the inconsistencies with the other parts of the site. All the fucking fun stuff...

The Dump Forum

We’re going to try this as a virtually unmoderated forum again. That means if it isn’t illegal and it’s not physically on the site then whatever goes. It will only be accessible to members and will be marked as being NSFW.

If something is horrendous we will just delete it. I don’t want to define horrendous here I think we’ll know it when we see it.

Rules

Writing rules about what is essentially meant to be a bit of fun pastime is so not in my nature(I don’t think it was in Sarge’s either), but I guess someone has to and better us than the kind of person that likes doing it.


A) Personal Information

No posting of other people’s personal information without permission, names addresses etc. I think it’s self evident that people should be allowed to post here anonymously.

B) The Spit Roast Rule

No posting of photographs of other people that they haven’t put on this site themselves. If they subsequently ask for their original picture to be removed we will do that and remove any use you have made of it.

To clarify this rule, if for example you post a picture of your maiden aunt’s 90th birthday party here and someone photoshops her being spit roasted by a shaking Gary Busey and Oprah wearing a strap-on and posts it in the Dump forum we will not touch it. That is totally fine. If you ask for your original picture of the party to be removed we will do that and remove the spit roast picture. BUT if someone finds your Facebook page, lifts the picture from there and does the same photoshop we will delete it and ban them. I would take from this rule that it’s probably not a great idea to post pictures of your maiden aunt here but maybe you don’t like her? Or maybe you like her too much.

We’re going to call this new rule the ’Spit Roast Rule’ for shorthand.

C) PENISES!

There has from the start been a ban on posting any male LOVEAPPARATUS™®© at this site. In the past ladies or at least girls have complained about the obvious, blatant misogyny and hypocrisy of this rule.

This rule has to remain for posts in moderated forums because without it things quickly go to shit. Without it you end up with penis avatars and hardcore porn everywhere which will trigger Websense™®© type software and stop all the people who come to the site as an all too brief relief from tiresome office jobs.

If you have to come here to find proper porn on the internet then I’m afraid you are too dumb to post here.

D) Personal Threats

No ‘credible’ personal threats. Credible is the key word here. If you want us to go to the police, try and make yourself credible.


E) Don’t be a total dick!

Having a small team and the owner around more means in technical terms we can be more common law rules rather than a codified system. Guitar Shark knows what I mean... in plain English because we won’t need to second guess what was meant by a rule made by someone who can’t be there we can be more flexible and reactive. If you invent a new way of being a total dick don’t expect to get off on the technicality of it not being covered by the above.

In the last week I've read posts where people said that at the DDLR site we didn't censor as much as was traditionally done here. That's entirely untrue, but we did it more but with attitude and in an amusing way. :)


Banning

This is also going to really annoy some of you but this is a clean slate. We will be unbanning genuine posters. That of course doesn’t in any way make them immune from being banned again in 20 minutes time. This is an amnesty, a time for peace and reconciliation. Before you get too annoyed at past crimes remember these were just words on a forum on the internet, nobody died. I’m sorry but this is the nature of what this site was originally about. It was and is going to be a little more ‘robust’ than many forums online – heat and kitchen. I received a life ban from my football teams Forum a few years back because I was flicking between it and here and replied to a post there as I would here…

Banning is going to be a last resort, just don’t be a total dick. We will be using temporary bans rather than permanent unless you are persistently just ruining the site. We don’t think it’s equitable to stick lifetime bans on people because they do something dumb one night rather than kicking their cat.

That said this should not be seen as a new soft limp wristed approach, just more flexible. We won’t hesitate to use cruel and unusual punishment.

Cheers and have fun!

[ELVIS]

Sounds good...

Now, let's rock...




:rockit:

[ELVIS]

How 'bout a toast...




:cheers:

[DLR Bridge]

In short, you've had 2 junk reduction operations and the gate to Arkham Asylum has been swung open for the banned to return to the streets. I'll drink to that. Well, the second part.

[ELVIS]

How 'bout a toast...

:cheers:

And a fucking cheers smiley...

Seriously though...

Congrats Sesh...



:elvis:

[fraroc]

As long as we can still say "Fuck" and "Shit" I'm ok with this :)

Because cursing is awesome!!!!!!!

[PHOENIX]

Congrats Sesh!

[DLR Bridge]

As long as we can still say "Fuck" and "Shit" I'm ok with this :)

Because cursing is awesome!!!!!!!


http://youtu.be/WVzp4MJRKHc

[twonabomber]

As long as we can still say "Fuck" and "Shit" I'm ok with this :)

Because cursing is awesome!!!!!!!

Please cuntinue.

[Zing!]

Sounds good to me.

[WARF]

I ran out of thanks! Great job Sesh!
Even though you stole my catchphrase "Tabula Rasa"!!! ;)

[Never was]

I know I'm semi-new but very well stated Sesh. I hope all goes forward in a positive direction and congrats.

[Va Beach VH Fan]

Congratulations Sesh. The Army remains in great hands.....

[ashstralia]

congrats sesh!

this is probably the best move for the site as far as i can see. i liked the joint a whole lot better when everyone was more cordial and respectful to one another (within reason:))

bridge; love the new av.

[jhale667]

Congrats, Sesh.

Sent from my BlackBerry 9800 using Tapatalk

[Northern Girl]

bridge; love the new av.

I think it's a young Rick Springfield!

[DLR Bridge]

I think it's a young Rick Springfield!

15 years now of no Jeff Buckley. Just a little tribute is all.

[Full Bug]

I'm more impressed Sesh used 'misogyny' correctly in a sentence then anything else he said....;)
Congrats and good luck Sesh...:bong2:

[ashstralia]

15 years now of no Jeff Buckley. Just a little tribute is all.

16 years in 30 days time...

[Northern Girl]

15 years now of no Jeff Buckley. Just a little tribute is all.

I don't know who that is, but I was actually hoping it was you! :)

[DLR Bridge]

I don't know who that is, but I was actually hoping it was you! :)

Ha! I wish. This guy had talent and mystique like no one else from the '90s. I don't want to derail this thread, so just look for me and Ash weeping some in the Jeff Buckley appreciation thread.

[Hardrock69]

Wait a minute....you can't mean Garfuckle or Katydid can come back?

Congrats by the way! Everything else makes sense to me that was laid out in your acceptance speech.

:D

[Northern Girl]

Wait a minute....you can't mean Garfuckle or Katydid can come back?

Congrats by the way! Everything else makes sense to me that was laid out in your acceptance speech.

:D

Reason for edit: Forgot to kiss his ass! :biggrin:

[Von Halen]

Well this isn’t going to be an easy post to make and it's going to end up being stupidly long because of the shit I need to cover.

So how not to sound like a pompous windbag fuck or like I’m doing a rotary club speech or some shit? How to get across to people I’m making some changes for the best?

Anyhoo welcome to the new incarnation of the legendary Roth Army Website.

I first posted here around 2000. Like many of you I don’t really post at other message boards,

I somehow got drawn into this one. I think that was mainly because of the charisma and plain common sense of the founder who instinctively laid out a way to do this kind of site for all these years which worked so well.

Over the years it’s become a community more than anything else. Yeah Classic Van Halen/Dave Lee Roth has been my favourite music since 1979 but that would not have been enough for me to keep posting and reading stuff here all that time, it’s become a bit more than the music.

Anyhoo I digress. I would like to thank my pal Sarge for trusting me with the site. I see this very much as a trusteeship. It’s not my new toy, an ego thing or whatever. After the pain of going through two penis reduction operations in the 1990s the last thing I would want to do is go through that again.

Sarge wanted to move on and particularly given a number of issues/problems/opportunities at this time I felt I should step up.

I’d like to thank Sarge for his faith in me as the best second choice and all of the kind posts people have made on the news.

So now I have to tell a bunch of people what I’m doing with their site and try to justify doing things they don’t want me to.

Moderators

This is the most difficult part of this for me.

The obvious path for me would be to go to a dozen of my old pals here and from DDLR and make them moderators. I would continue to be reasonably popular and we could all stagger on to the next crisis.

I’m not going to do that.

Most of you will have noticed that there have been huge fights and arguments here among very long standing members and many people are upset. It’s spilled over to affect people who only had the best intentions and motivations and it’s all got a bit ugly and tiresome.

I’ll be honest and say that I’ve only read less than half of the fights and I’m still not completely sure what it was all originally about.

So I have been thinking about why we get into these cycles of appointing great people and then there being fights and problems in cycles.

I’ve been involved in these sites for 13 years now and in the last few weeks in particular really thought about it and come to the conclusion that the model we have been using just doesn't work. Assigning a forum to someone doesn't make their posts better or even more prevalent. Once you have a bunch of moderators there are two possible outcomes.

a) They start fighting with each other which is a misery
b) They collect together and fight as a team in a ‘musketeers’ all for one way.

I used to think b) was cool but it isn't really. If you get into an argument with a moderator where say you both have equally valid points it can give them the upper hand and I don’t think that’s good. To be honest one of the main reasons I hesitated taking up this gig was that I'm really going to miss having big debates on here, I'm not sure that will be possible now.

So why have moderators at all? Well if you are a new website I guess it is a way to attract people into the fold but that novelty will soon wear off. Second reason is to do the essential shit of dealing with the really bad stuff. To that end I've appointed two Super mods who I don’t actually know very well personally but have watched for a long time and respect. These are guys that are very cool headed and don’t get drawn into arguments while having some IT tech skills.

No one has been sacked!

That’s an even more ridiculous statement to make here than on the Apprentice (and I have better hair - just)

In the new model the roles don’t exist.

A minority of people were irritated by some of the actions of moderators here. I think they did an amazing job under crazy circumstances. The guy that owned and defined the site was forced to be an absentee landlord for close to what 8 years? (EDIT: Absentee landlord maybe isn't the best term to use, superhero lifesaver is maybe better).

During all that time the moderators and in particular VA Beach were caught in a completely fucking impossible position of having responsibility without power trying to interpret what Sarge would want done. That’s a terrible trap and if occasionally the odd mistake was made, people should remember that prior to that we had a guy called Mezro…

It’s going to really weird for a short while without FORD being a moderator or whatever but I want to ask people particularly the mods themselves to take a step back and think about what it was like being one. We rarely used our powers as is right, it certainly didn’t make me post any more in my forums, the only thing it did do is give access to a moderator forum which usually consisted of posts about worries and problems and complaints.

I honestly think that once people get used to the idea they will enjoy being here more.

If in time it turns out I'm wrong about this I will change, you know me I'm Mr Rationalist.’

Also I'm going to be getting in touch with people to ask if they would be willing to do specific jobs for the site rather than the non-job of being a moderator. Surely it’s much cooler to, for example be the guy that holds the DLR Army Guitar Online Workshop Session advertised on social media than the guy who moved a thread from the Non forum to the Music Forum last March?

So a bit of an outline on where we're going here. I'll tidy this up and sort out the inconsistencies with the other parts of the site. All the fucking fun stuff...

The Dump Forum

We’re going to try this as a virtually unmoderated forum again. That means if it isn’t illegal and it’s not physically on the site then whatever goes. It will only be accessible to members and will be marked as being NSFW.

If something is horrendous we will just delete it. I don’t want to define horrendous here I think we’ll know it when we see it.

Rules

Writing rules about what is essentially meant to be a bit of fun pastime is so not in my nature(I don’t think it was in Sarge’s either), but I guess someone has to and better us than the kind of person that likes doing it.

A) Personal Information[/size=4]

No posting of other people’s personal information without permission, names addresses etc. I think it’s self evident that people should be allowed to post here anonymously.
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B) The Spit Roast Rule

No posting of photographs of other people that they haven’t put on this site themselves. If they subsequently ask for their original picture to be removed we will do that and remove any use you have made of it.
To clarify this rule, if for example you post a picture of your maiden aunt’s 90th birthday party and someone photoshops her being spit roasted by a shaking Gary Busey and Oprah wearing a strap-on and posts it in the Dump forum we will not touch it. That is totally fine. If you ask for your original picture of the party to be removed we will do that and remove the spit roast picture. BUT if someone finds your Facebook page, lifts the picture from there and does the same photoshop we will delete it and ban them. I would take from this rule that it’s probably not a great idea to post pictures of your maiden aunt here but maybe you don’t like her? Or maybe you like her too much.

We’re going to call this new rule the ’Spit Roast Rule’ for shorthand.

C) PENISES!
There has from the start been a ban on posting any male LOVEAPPARATUS™®© at this site. In the past ladies or at least girls have complained about the obvious and blatant misogyny and hypocrisy of this rule.

This rule has to remain for posts in moderated forums because without it things quickly go to shit. Without it you end up with penis avatars and hardcore porn everywhere which will trigger Websense™®© type software and stop all the people who come to the site as an all too brief relief from tiresome office jobs.

If you have to come here to find proper porn on the internet then I’m afraid you are too dumb to post here.

D) Personal Threats

No ‘credible’ personal threats. Credible is the key word here. If you want us to go to the police try and make yourself credible.

E) Don’t be a total dick!

Having a small team and the owner around more means in technical terms we can be more common law rules rather than a codified system. Guitar Shark knows what I mean... in plain English because we won’t need to second guess what was meant by a rule made by someone who can’t be there we can be more flexible and reactive. If you invent a new way of being a total dick don’t expect to get off on the technicality of it not being covered by the above.

In the last week I've read posts where people said that at the DDLR site we didn't edit at much as here. That's entirely untrue, we did it more but with attitude and in an amusing way. :)

Banning

This is also going to really annoy some of you but this is a clean slate. We will be unbanning genuine posters. That of course doesn’t in any way make them immune from being banned again in 20 minutes time. This is an amnesty, a time for peace and reconciliation. Before you get too annoyed at past crimes remember these were just words on a forum on the internet, nobody died. I’m sorry but this is the nature of what this site was originally about. It was and is going to be a little more ‘robust’ than many forums online – heat and kitchen. I received a life ban from my football teams Forum a few years back because I was flicking between it and here and replied to a post there as I would here…

Banning is going to be a last resort, just don’t be a total dick. We will be using temporary bans rather than permanent unless you are persistently just ruining the site. We don’t think it’s equitable to stick lifetime bans on people because they do something dumb one night rather than kicking their cat.

That said this should not be seen as a new soft limp wristed approach, just more flexible. We won’t hesitate to use cruel and unusual punishment.

I think Sesh said most of this to me on the phone last night, but since I can't understand 90% of what he says on the phone, I'm really not sure. Just like many years ago when we used to have late night phone calls discussing site related stuff, he heard a lot of "yeah", "uh huh" and "sure" responses last night.

Thank goodness the fucker can type plain english much better than he can speak it!

I think Sesh has laid out a good plan here. A fair plan. A plan that maintains the same spirit that Sarge instilled in this place all those years ago. A spirit that Diamond Dave and Classic Van Halen transcended through their attitudes and music.

And like Sesh said, if it doesn't work, he will revise it.

One thing you can be sure of, the DLR Army will continue to be the best band related forum on the internet.


Congrats Sesh!

[Hardrock69]

Reason for edit: Forgot to kiss his ass! :biggrin:


Heh. Hardly. He has always been here, and been sensible and civil while the board is in chaos, lol.

He deserves to have his ass kissed.....running this thing can't be that easy....

[WARF]

Reinstate Flappo, Phil and Immapus Sylicker!

[LoungeMachine]

Congrats Sesh!

:gulp: :gulp: :gulp:

[Nickdfresh]

Ha! I wish. This guy had talent and mystique like no one else from the '90s. I don't want to derail this thread, so just look for me and Ash weeping some in the Jeff Buckley appreciation thread.

Maybe this will make you weep: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1823125/

[Nickdfresh]

I love you Sesh, but that silly avatar is no longer becoming of a site owner... :)

And congrats to Von on his Webbying.

[Hardrock69]

I just now realized....the owner of the site watches Muppet Pr0n! :lmao:

[chefcraig]

I just now realized....the owner of the site watches Muppet Pr0n! :lmao:

Shit, imagine how I feel. I'm drinking extremely cheap vodka and currently making a deluxe sandwich out of some Vienna Sausages, questionable cheese, hot sauce and old toasted rolls. I'm pretty sure I have some fish-steaks covered in mustard as well, yet come on. That would be like Martha Stewart territory...

[Guitar Shark]

Really, really smart moves all around. The Army is in great hands.

[DavidLeeNatra]

great...a braveheart as webmaster...

if you need some advise...just ask this guy:

http://www.faz.net/polopoly_fs/1.57318!/image/1039977678.jpg_gen/derivatives/default/1039977678.jpg

[DavidLeeNatra]

Thank goodness the fucker can type plain english much better than he can speak it!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pcnFbCCgTo4

[Jérôme Frenchise]

Congrats, Sesh! This is a very promising programme.

That said, empiricists thought that reason was a "tabula rasa", unlike rationalists. :)

But I'm just splitting hair here.

Fàilte Seshmaighstir!

:bottle:

Douglas bass----> :gulp:

[fryingdutchman]

Ahhhhh......the honeymoon phase.

I hope it lasts a long time!!

Congrats again Sesh and Von, and to all the super mods and future mods.

[philouze]

Congratulations, mate. Great news... :gulp:

[DLR Bridge]

Maybe this will make you weep: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1823125/

Yeah, that's pretty much gonna knock the wind out of me. That should be a grate movie though. Based on a pivotal moment in his brief life.

[DLR Bridge]

Congratulations, mate. Great news... :gulp:

Nice to see you again Phil! :yo:

[philouze]

Thanks, Bridge!!! Nice to see you again too, buddy!!! :high5:

[flappo]

no. 4 in the all time top 100 reporting for duty

thank fuck sesh and von are here to save the day !

ddlr.com mk2 here we cum !

[fryingdutchman]

I don't know who that is, but I was actually hoping it was you! :)

Say it ain't so NG....

Buckley was amazing. Bask in this one....preferably through headphones!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A3adFWKE9JE&feature=player_detailpage[

[fryingdutchman]

15 years now of no Jeff Buckley. Just a little tribute is all.

Love Jeff Buckley.

"Grace" is an amazing record. The only other time I got chills like that was with Chris Cornell's first solo album "Euphoria Morning."

[envy_me]

I just now realized....the owner of the site watches Muppet Pr0n! :lmao:

Don't we all :D

[Warham]

It wasn't the same without Flappo posting here.

[atomicpnk47]

Anyhoo....:beers8:

[envy_me]

Well this isn’t going to be an easy post to make and it's going to end up being stupidly long because of the shit I need to cover.

So how not to sound like a pompous windbag fuck or like I’m doing a rotary club speech or some shit? How to get across to people I’m making some changes for the best?

Anyhoo welcome to the new incarnation of the legendary Roth Army Website.

I first posted here around 2000. Like many of you I don’t really post at other message boards,

I somehow got drawn into this one. I think that was mainly because of the charisma and plain common sense of the founder who instinctively laid out a way to do this kind of site for all these years which worked so well.

Over the years it’s become a community more than anything else. Yeah Classic Van Halen/Dave Lee Roth has been my favourite music since 1979 but that would not have been enough for me to keep posting and reading stuff here all that time, it’s become a bit more than the music.

Anyhoo I digress. I would like to thank my pal Sarge for trusting me with the site. I see this very much as a trusteeship. It’s not my new toy, an ego thing or whatever. After the pain of going through two penis reduction operations in the 1990s the last thing I would want to do is go through that again.

Sarge wanted to move on and particularly given a number of issues/problems/opportunities at this time I felt I should step up.

I’d like to thank Sarge for his faith in me as the best second choice and all of the kind posts people have made on the news.

So now I have to tell a bunch of people what I’m doing with their site and try to justify doing things they don’t want me to.

Moderators

This is the most difficult part of this for me.

The obvious path for me would be to go to a dozen of my old pals here and from DDLR and make them moderators. I would continue to be reasonably popular and we could all stagger on to the next crisis.

I’m not going to do that.

Most of you will have noticed that there have been huge fights and arguments here among very long standing members and many people are upset. It’s spilled over to affect people who only had the best intentions and motivations and it’s all got a bit ugly and tiresome.

I’ll be honest and say that I’ve only read less than half of the fights and I’m still not completely sure what it was all originally about.

So I have been thinking about why we get into these cycles of appointing great people and then there being fights and problems in cycles.

I’ve been involved in these sites for 13 years now and in the last few weeks in particular really thought about it and come to the conclusion that the model we have been using just doesn't work. Assigning a forum to someone doesn't make their posts better or even more prevalent. Once you have a bunch of moderators there are two possible outcomes.

a) They start fighting with each other which is a misery
b) They collect together and fight as a team in a ‘musketeers’ all for one way.

I used to think b) was cool but it isn't really. If you get into an argument with a moderator where say you both have equally valid points it can give them the upper hand and I don’t think that’s good. To be honest one of the main reasons I hesitated taking up this gig was that I'm really going to miss having big debates on here, I'm not sure that will be possible now.

So why have moderators at all? Well if you are a new website I guess it is a way to attract people into the fold but that novelty will soon wear off. Second reason is to do the essential shit of dealing with the really bad stuff. To that end I've appointed two Super mods who I don’t actually know very well personally but have watched for a long time and respect. These are guys that are very cool headed and don’t get drawn into arguments while having some IT tech skills.

No one has been sacked!

That’s an even more ridiculous statement to make here than on the Apprentice (and I have better hair - just)

In the new model the roles don’t exist.

A minority of people were irritated by some of the actions of moderators here. I think they did an amazing job under crazy circumstances. The guy that owned and defined the site was forced to be an absentee landlord for close to what 8 years? (EDIT: Absentee landlord maybe isn't the best term to use, superhero lifesaver is maybe better).

During all that time the moderators and in particular VA Beach were caught in a completely fucking impossible position of having responsibility without power trying to interpret what Sarge would want done. That’s a terrible trap and if occasionally the odd mistake was made, people should remember that prior to that we had a guy called Mezro…

It’s going to really weird for a short while without FORD being a moderator or whatever but I want to ask people particularly the mods themselves to take a step back and think about what it was like being one. We rarely used our powers as is right, it certainly didn’t make me post any more in my forums, the only thing it did do is give access to a moderator forum which usually consisted of posts about worries and problems and complaints.

I honestly think that once people get used to the idea they will enjoy being here more.

If in time it turns out I'm wrong about this I will change, you know me I'm Mr Rationalist.’

Also I'm going to be getting in touch with people to ask if they would be willing to do specific jobs for the site rather than the non-job of being a moderator. Surely it’s much cooler to, for example be the guy that holds the DLR Army Guitar Online Workshop Session advertised on social media than the guy who moved a thread from the Non forum to the Music Forum last March?

So a bit of an outline on where we're going here. I'll tidy this up and sort out the inconsistencies with the other parts of the site. All the fucking fun stuff...

The Dump Forum

We’re going to try this as a virtually unmoderated forum again. That means if it isn’t illegal and it’s not physically on the site then whatever goes. It will only be accessible to members and will be marked as being NSFW.

If something is horrendous we will just delete it. I don’t want to define horrendous here I think we’ll know it when we see it.

Rules

Writing rules about what is essentially meant to be a bit of fun pastime is so not in my nature(I don’t think it was in Sarge’s either), but I guess someone has to and better us than the kind of person that likes doing it.


A) Personal Information

No posting of other people’s personal information without permission, names addresses etc. I think it’s self evident that people should be allowed to post here anonymously.

B) The Spit Roast Rule

No posting of photographs of other people that they haven’t put on this site themselves. If they subsequently ask for their original picture to be removed we will do that and remove any use you have made of it.

To clarify this rule, if for example you post a picture of your maiden aunt’s 90th birthday party and someone photoshops her being spit roasted by a shaking Gary Busey and Oprah wearing a strap-on and posts it in the Dump forum we will not touch it. That is totally fine. If you ask for your original picture of the party to be removed we will do that and remove the spit roast picture. BUT if someone finds your Facebook page, lifts the picture from there and does the same photoshop we will delete it and ban them. I would take from this rule that it’s probably not a great idea to post pictures of your maiden aunt here but maybe you don’t like her? Or maybe you like her too much.

We’re going to call this new rule the ’Spit Roast Rule’ for shorthand.

C) PENISES!

There has from the start been a ban on posting any male LOVEAPPARATUS™®© at this site. In the past ladies or at least girls have complained about the obvious, blatant misogyny and hypocrisy of this rule.

This rule has to remain for posts in moderated forums because without it things quickly go to shit. Without it you end up with penis avatars and hardcore porn everywhere which will trigger Websense™®© type software and stop all the people who come to the site as an all too brief relief from tiresome office jobs.

If you have to come here to find proper porn on the internet then I’m afraid you are too dumb to post here.

D) Personal Threats

No ‘credible’ personal threats. Credible is the key word here. If you want us to go to the police, try and make yourself credible.


E) Don’t be a total dick!

Having a small team and the owner around more means in technical terms we can be more common law rules rather than a codified system. Guitar Shark knows what I mean... in plain English because we won’t need to second guess what was meant by a rule made by someone who can’t be there we can be more flexible and reactive. If you invent a new way of being a total dick don’t expect to get off on the technicality of it not being covered by the above.

In the last week I've read posts where people said that at the DDLR site we didn't edit at much as here. That's entirely untrue, we did it more but with attitude and in an amusing way. :)


Banning

This is also going to really annoy some of you but this is a clean slate. We will be unbanning genuine posters. That of course doesn’t in any way make them immune from being banned again in 20 minutes time. This is an amnesty, a time for peace and reconciliation. Before you get too annoyed at past crimes remember these were just words on a forum on the internet, nobody died. I’m sorry but this is the nature of what this site was originally about. It was and is going to be a little more ‘robust’ than many forums online – heat and kitchen. I received a life ban from my football teams Forum a few years back because I was flicking between it and here and replied to a post there as I would here…

Banning is going to be a last resort, just don’t be a total dick. We will be using temporary bans rather than permanent unless you are persistently just ruining the site. We don’t think it’s equitable to stick lifetime bans on people because they do something dumb one night rather than kicking their cat.

That said this should not be seen as a new soft limp wristed approach, just more flexible. We won’t hesitate to use cruel and unusual punishment.


Sounds good to me. Congratulations Sesh!

[flappo]

FAO SESH - i tried sending a pm , but it's all fucked up - plus unlike a lot of the cunts on here i have nothing to hide

you may have read my tribute to you and von at warf's place , i assure you i wasn't sub consciously sucking your dick , well at least i didn't swallow anyway uhuhuhu~™


i don't think sarge & va and those ungrateful cunts vh and dave realise just who lucky they are to have 2 guys like you still carrying the torch for them


i shall do my best to not fuck things up ... look at my track record..


ok , don't look at my track record LOL


thx again


they talk about loyalty , my loyalty is to you 2 and hitch


oh and warf and his e-gang


fuck the rest :D

[fryingdutchman]

Don't we all :D


Just watch out for the Dr. Bunsen Honeydew and Beeker videos.

I hear that's some unseemly shit right there....

[flappo]

Sounds good to me. Congratulations Sesh!

hi sweety , how ya doin ?

hahaha

[envy_me]

FAO SESH - i tried sending a pm , but it's all fucked up - plus unlike a lot of the cunts on here i have nothing to hide

you may have read my tribute to you and von at warf's place , i assure you i wasn't sub consciously sucking your dick , well at least i didn't swallow anyway uhuhuhu~™


i don't think sarge & va and those ungrateful cunts vh and dave realise just who lucky they are to have 2 guys like you still carrying the torch for them


i shall do my best to not fuck things up ... look at my track record..


ok , don't look at my track record LOL


thx again


they talk about loyalty , my loyalty is to you 2 and hitch


oh and warf and his e-gang


fuck the rest :D


*cough* brown-nose *cough*

[philouze]

Don't start, Envy.. Please..

[envy_me]

Don't start, Envy.. Please..

What? I can't be into the Muppets porn :biggrin:

[flappo]

*cough* brown-nose *cough*



if you wanna take me on , you sad sack of slavian shit , go for it

i guarantee i will crush you like a fucking gnat

[binnie]

I heard a vicious rumour that Ace Diamond will be returning as a third Super Mod........

[envy_me]

if you wanna take me on , you sad sack of slavian shit , go for it

i guarantee i will crush you like a fucking gnat

Relax for gods sake... As if I would start an actual, serious fight in this thread.

[flappo]

it's called showing respect to your superiors , not something a pea brained ignoramus like you would comprehend

now fuck off and start another mind numbing thread about cline dion's latest shoe collection , you 3rd rate troll

[envy_me]

it's called showing respect to your superiors , not something a pea brained ignoramus like you would comprehend

now fuck off and start another mind numbing thread about cline dion's latest shoe collection , you 3rd rate troll

IT WAS A JOKE!!! Relax!

[flappo]

Relax for gods sake... As if I would start an actual, serious fight in this thread.

haha

you don't have the balls ( figuratively speaking* ) or brains to take someone of my calibre on , you Croatian cretin™

the only thing you're any good at is being a snidey back stabbing piece of shit

i've got your number , pal

take my advice - try zipping your ugly trap shut and play to your strengths

ie; lurk

*then again from what i've gleaned nobody's 100% sure you ARE a woman

[flappo]

back on topic

who's up for a sammy hagar loves black dick popgear cuntest ?

[flappo]

tabula rosa , flapz

play nice with the retards

[philouze]

Pink table, you say?? What the fuck is that?? TeletubbiesLand??

[flappo]

i've got a popgear for that

[philouze]

i've got a popgear for that

I'm sure you have!!!

[ELVIS]

Congrats, Sesh.



You're jfail, not Sesh...

[ELVIS]

haha


take my advice - try zipping your ugly trap shut and play to your strengths

ie; lurk



That was funny...:biggrin:

[DiverDowninKy]

Congrats Sesh!

[philouze]

I just wanted to say..

:gulp:

I'm off to have 50,000 posts in a month

:lmao:

[DONNIEP]

I just wanted to say..

:gulp:

I'm off to have 50,000 posts in a month

:lmao:

:gulp: :biggrin:

[flappo]

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0498179/

Music hall star Tommy Lorne (1890-1935) performs "The Lard Song" in a short film made in the DeForest Phonofilm sound-on-film process.

[Coyote]

Nice to see we're back to normal.
http://i.imgur.com/l2RSj.gif

[philouze]

Monty Python-worth gif, Coyote...

[DLR Bridge]

Love Jeff Buckley.

"Grace" is an amazing record. The only other time I got chills like that was with Chris Cornell's first solo album "Euphoria Morning."

Get out of my brain! You're freakin' me out man!! That Cornell CD has some real arm hair raisers for sure. Oddly enough, Wave Goodbye is about Jeff!

[WARF]

:gulp: :biggrin:

Come out of hiding FAT ass...

[WARF]

Nice to see we're back to normal.
http://i.imgur.com/l2RSj.gif

Is that Sesh and the old mod team?

[DONNIEP]

Hitler???? Shocking!

[flappo]

i'm pretty sure he's in rehearsals for his new fags of nevada tribute band - lardass and the slovakian ladyboys

from what i've seen of his shitty fucking bass playing he'll be in there for a few more years yet

[Coyote]

Is that Sesh and the old mod team?

Try again, coke fiend...

[ELVIS]

Lardass and the slovakian ladyboys...:biggrin:

[WARF]

Try again, coke fiend...

uhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuuhuh

What happened to your clit mob title?

Pass me the COKE, Duuuuuuuude!

[ELVIS]

New page!

New Army !!!


:elvis:

[WARF]

New page!

New Army !!!


:elvis:

You got that right ELVIS!!! It's a been a long time!!!

[flappo]

Croatian Dirtbag has revealed she has more than 3,000 pairs of shoes and admits she will do anything to fit into a pair of shoes she likes.
The My Fart Will Go On singer told TV presenter Katie Couric she doesn't know the exact number she owns any more, joking: "I stopped counting, because I'm not good with math, only fat bass player’s tiny cocks "
And Celine revealed she has learned to fit her feet into all sizes of shoes she falls in love with.Even up her ass.
The singer said: "I go to the store, and I'm like, 'I really like those ones,' and they're like, 'What size?' And I'm like, 'Oh no, you don't understand. I want them, so what size do you have? I'll make it work, baby. I'll make it work!' From 5 to 10, it works!"
And the 473-year-old singer's passion for shoes appears to run in the family, as she shared a picture on the show of one of her young sons , Quentin, wearing a pair of her black stilettos.
Envy_Pee revealed: "One of my sons, Fagface, is two-and-a-half, and he walks better in heels than me! I don't know how he does it, but I'm not the only one in the family who loves shoes , we’er all retards."
The Cuntnadian singer previously told a magazine: "Some people do drugs, I do shoes and post shitty threads on the Roth Army."

[Coyote]

uhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuuhuh

What happened to your clit mob title?

Pass me the COKE, Duuuuuuuude!

Got bored. And no, I won't. Your nose is bleeding enough as it is, after tripping over the Swede.

[ELVIS]

Croatian Dirtbag has revealed she has more than 3,000 pairs of shoes and admits she will do anything to fit into a pair of shoes she likes.
The My Fart Will Go On singer told TV presenter Katie Couric she doesn't know the exact number she owns any more, joking: "I stopped counting, because I'm not good with math, only fat bass player’s tiny cocks "
And Celine revealed she has learned to fit her feet into all sizes of shoes she falls in love with.Even up her ass.
The singer said: "I go to the store, and I'm like, 'I really like those ones,' and they're like, 'What size?' And I'm like, 'Oh no, you don't understand. I want them, so what size do you have? I'll make it work, baby. I'll make it work!' From 5 to 10, it works!"
And the 473-year-old singer's passion for shoes appears to run in the family, as she shared a picture on the show of one of her young sons , Quentin, wearing a pair of her black stilettos.
Envy_Pee revealed: "One of my sons, Fagface, is two-and-a-half, and he walks better in heels than me! I don't know how he does it, but I'm not the only one in the family who loves shoes , we’er all retards."
The Cuntnadian singer previously told a magazine: "Some people do drugs, I do shoes and post shitty threads on the Roth Army."



:biggrin:

[philouze]

Tripping over the Swede Shoe.

[WARF]

Got bored. And no, I won't. Your nose is bleeding enough as it is, after tripping over the Swede.

Where's your smurfs to protect you now?? Go to the Mod room for backup.... ooops... there is no mod room! :lol:

[Coyote]

Where's your smurfs to protect you now?? Go to the Mod room for backup.... ooops... there is no mod room! :lol:

How's that wound doin', coke fiend?

[flappo]

Where's your smurfs to protect you now?? Go to the Mod room for backup.... ooops... there is no mod room! :lol:

it's called a level playing field

hahaha

[ELVIS]

Tripping over the Swede Shoe.

Smurf Blue Muskaqueer Swede™


:elvis:

[ELVIS]

it's called a level playing field



Oh Snap!


:biggrin:

[philouze]

How's that wound doin', coke fiend?

http://gallery.photo.net/photo/11366571-md.jpg

[ELVIS]

:rockit:

[WARF]

http://gallery.photo.net/photo/11366571-md.jpg

Put that pathetic coyote out of his misery... pathetic little cunt...

[ELVIS]

:killer:

[WARF]

Thanks ELVIS.... and welcome back Roth Army!

[Coyote]

Put that pathetic coyote out of his misery... pathetic little cunt...

Speaking of putting things out of their misery... That blatantly closet-case site of yours finally been shut down?

[flappo]

van halen . who are they ? let's talk about celine dion's amazing shoe collection

pm me and send you a photo of my hairy diseased old gunt

sorry about the flies and all the maggots - maybe i'll scrape them off if you guys really want me too that is !!?

*mwah*

[ELVIS]

You know...

It sounds kinda good not hearing Dave in that clip...:biggrin:

[flappo]

Speaking of putting things out of their misery... That blatantly closet-case site of yours finally been shut down?

you talk the talk but can you walk the walk ?

i never saw you post there once , mr internet tough guy

[flappo]

talkin' of youtube


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZCHjNtDNU4

[Momshell]

:killer:

Who's that tall guy 6 inches from Dave's face?

[WARF]

Speaking of putting things out of their misery... That blatantly closet-case site of yours finally been shut down?

No, but you and your faggit clique have been destroyed.... you are all that's left... and not for long....

You little backstabbing pussy!

[WARF]

Who's that tall guy 6 inches from Dave's face?

Love ya Momshell! ;)

[Igosplut]

hairy diseased old gunt


Haven't heard that expression in years. Made me laugh, guess that just shows where MY heads at lately...

[Coyote]

you talk the talk but can you walk the walk ?

i never saw you post there once , mr internet tough guy

I don't pick fights at uneven playing fields, flapjack.

[flappo]

I don't pick fights at uneven playing fields, flapjack.

just as well

you'd only have got flappowned™

[Momshell]

Love ya Momshell! ;)

Back at ya babe! :beers8:

[flappo]

Haven't heard that expression in years. Made me laugh, guess that just shows where MY heads at lately...

hiya igo , how ya doin ?

nice to see ya

[Coyote]

No, but you and your faggit clique have been destroyed.... you are all that's left... and not for long....

You little backstabbing pussy!

I am what I eat.

And at least I'm still standing, coke fiend. You've been on your knees ever since Sesh made his announcement...

[Coyote]

just as well

you'd only have got flappowned™

By your "jeanious" MS Paint dribblings? I doubt it.

[flappo]

i think he's showing genuine respect and thanks for sesh , like hopefully we all do

[ELVIS]

You've been on your knees ever since Sesh made his announcement...

So...

The sky is blue...

The grass is green...

The FBI stages terror...

[flappo]

By your "jeanious" MS Paint dribblings? I doubt it.

the one's that a top flight tv star calls works of genius

but what would he know ? compared to a comedic legend like you ( irony alert )

[Coyote]

i think he's showing genuine respect and thanks for sesh , like hopefully we all do

Just like you did, with the cock-post?

[flappo]

I am what I eat.

And at least I'm still standing, coke fiend. You've been on your knees ever since Sesh made his announcement...

crap ? cos that's sure what seems to be coming out of your mouth , ex-mod

[flappo]

Just like you did, with the cock-post?

which one ?

if you're scared of looking at dicks , you're the one who should seriously question their sexuality ...

try looking in a fucking mirror , there's a big fucking prick , right there , enjoy !!!

[Coyote]

crap ? cos that's sure what seems to be coming out of your mouth , ex-mod

likewise, fellow ex-mod.

[ELVIS]

likewise, fellow ex-mod.

flappo was never here just to be a mod...

[flappo]

likewise, fellow ex-mod.

unlike you , i don't give a shit

also i never abused my mod powers like the cowardly cunts in your mod clique

i didn't need to

cos unlike you , i've got game and talent

[Coyote]

flappo was never here just to be a mod...

He was also here to be de-modded, banned and given amnesty... Rinse & repeat. :biggrin:

[ELVIS]

And where's all the fags who usually respond within thirty seconds of me saying anything ??

[flappo]

lard arse cried to the webbies and got me demodded and banned over a few shitty popgears - the funniest thing was - i didn't even do them - the guys at the rb did - i just linked to the fucking things

hahaha

you lot sure are a bunch of stuck up faggots , or rather WERE

thankfully sesh and von are here to save the fucking day and rid the army of the infestation of idiots

viva =VH= , viva sesh, viva von

[DONNIEP]

And where's all the fags who usually respond within thirty seconds of me saying anything ??

At the shooting range, gettin' gunned up?

[flappo]

oh look who's lurking again - envy_pee

ello , luv ?

been to the proctologist again to get an ex roth army mod removed ?

[flappo]

envy me ?

lol

wtf is there about a sad old hag like YOU to fucking envy ??

if being a deluded sack of shit is thought of as a positive attraction then you my dear are most definitely enviable

hahaha

[flappo]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mhay7U8KiBY

[envy_me]

envy me ?

lol

wtf is there about a sad old hag like YOU to fucking envy ??

if being a deluded sack of shit is thought of as a positive attraction then you my dear are most definitely enviable

hahaha

I'll just stand on the side and watch you get yourself banned again ;)

[envy_me]

And where's all the fags who usually respond within thirty seconds of me saying anything ??

Eeeh? Working? Like myself... Unlike Susan Boyle here.

[vandeleur]

you lot sure are a bunch of stuck up faggots , or rather WERE

Right fuck off twat ... I feel better now .
Your all going on like pissed up nobba's who wanna fight someone but can't find them so wanna shot at anyone .
All that's makes people feel like is as in any other bar , your making me feel like I wanna come over and drop ya.
Hey , I wasn't in the clique , I actually might have been accused of being a goat fucka at one point .
I didn't like the personal pic things , doesn't make me support one side or the other .
Am as pleased as any one Donniep ( a personal friend ) warf ( funny ,dangerous and crazy as a shit house rat)are back . I like Phil , ain't had much to do with you but am guessing after this we may not be friends lol

I get your pissed at some people , and if am honest most people have no idea the full story , and probably arnt that bothered .

Most people on here , probably ...
Didnt like the pic thing
Don't mind the name calling , but don't like mob mentality .
felt uncomfortable watching people being dragged in to sides
Oh and like David lee roth .

I get that there is gonna be blood letting , just wanted be clear it isn't all one side or the other .
Except the king who plays both side lol

[flappo]

I'll just stand on the side and watch you get yourself banned again ;)

in your fucking dreams

what do you bring to the table , come on


what exactly ??

[flappo]

Right fuck off twat ... I feel better now .
Your all going on like pissed up nobba's who wanna fight someone but can't find them so wanna shot at anyone .
All that's makes people feel like is as in any other bar , your making me feel like I wanna come over and drop ya.
Hey , I wasn't in the clique , I actually might have been accused of being a goat fucka at one point .
I didn't like the personal pic things , doesn't make me support one side or the other .
Am as pleased as any one Donniep ( a personal friend ) warf ( funny ,dangerous and crazy as a shit house rat)are back . I like Phil , ain't had much to do with you but am guessing after this we may not be friends lol

I get your pissed at some people , and if am honest most people have no idea the full story , and probably arnt that bothered .

Most people on here , probably ...
Didnt like the pic thing
Don't mind the name calling , but don't like mob mentality .
felt uncomfortable watching people being dragged in to sides
Oh and like David lee roth .

I get that there is gonna be blood letting , just wanted be clear it isn't all one side or the other .
Except the king who plays both side lol

that almost made sense

try again , but next time do it with meaning

[envy_me]

in your fucking dreams

what do you bring to the table , come on


what exactly ??

There is a rule now for being a jackass... So... Go on. Continue spamming ;)

[vandeleur]

Did on a phone and it never looks or reads right , what the fuck I got it off my chest :lol:

[ELVIS]

Eeeh? Working?

That would be a first...

[flappo]

Eeeh? Working? Like myself... Unlike Susan Boyle here.

you've got a lot in common with susan

except she's rich and successful and loved by millions and has lots of real world connections that matter

while you're a big mouthed deluded asshole with no game who loves making e-threats she can't back up

so - you're gonna ban me ? lol - not without your tubby plate washing faggot ex-mod pal to back you up , you daft cunt

bitch , i'm in the top fucking 10 of the roth army TWICE

what the fuck you got ??

i'll tell ya - NOTHING

[Coyote]

That would be a first...

Especially for the resident coke fiend & the MS Paint huffer.

[Coyote]

bitch , i'm in the top fucking 10 of the roth army TWICE


http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m7b8upPv6V1rbxdjvo1_500.gif

[flappo]

There is a rule now for being a jackass... So... Go on. Continue spamming ;)

it's called flaming you stupid fucking pea brained cunt

not that your tiny fucking mind would be capable of differentiating twixt the two

you really are out of your fucking depth with me , aint ya ?

then again you'd be outta your depth in a fucking paddling pool

[twonabomber]

There is a rule now for being a jackass... So... Go on. Continue spamming ;)

I dunno. I just looked at those rules again, and I think you may be shit outta luck.

Besides, if there was a rule about being a jackass, this site would never have gotten as big as it has.

[flappo]

i'm still waiting to see what envy me brings to the table apart from pm's with broken promises of flashes of her yeast ridden old fanny

[Zing!]

Ha! I wish. This guy had talent and mystique like no one else from the '90s. I don't want to derail this thread, so just look for me and Ash weeping some in the Jeff Buckley appreciation thread.

Hallelujah!

[flappo]

Eeeh? Working? Like myself... Unlike Susan Boyle here.

the nearest you get to working is lying on your back and thinking of croatia

[Vinnie Velvet]

Judging from the title of the thread, I thought Sesh got a hold of the infamous "2000 sessions", "Hands fell off the clock" songs.

I am pissed.

Anyway, congrats Sesh.

[Seshmeister]

Hah yeah that's where I got the name from.

I assume that the reported few songs they recorded were reworked and put on ADKOT.

[DLR Bridge]

Judging from the title of the thread, I thought Sesh got a hold of the infamous "2000 sessions", "Hands fell off the clock" songs.

I am pissed.

Anyway, congrats Sesh.

I still think Chinatown and maybe Blood And Fire could be part of those 3 songs from '00. Right down to Dave's vocal track. I'd swear that smoke and whiskey soaked voice sounds about 10 years younger on those two more so than the rest of the disc.

[SNIPER]

Hmmm, looks like Envy's days are numbered here. BWAHAHAHAHAA

[philouze]

Hmmm, looks like Envy's days are numbered here. BWAHAHAHAHAA

Good to see you, Snip!!! ;)

[SNIPER]

Good to see you, Snip!!! ;)

Thanks, you too bro!

[flappo]

He was also here to be de-modded, banned and given amnesty... Rinse & repeat. :biggrin:

i was banned 17 times at the rogan board

but still joe rogan calls me his favourite poster

you have a lot to learn , kid

[ZahZoo]

What a nice day at the beach...

[ThrillsNSpills]

i was banned 17 times at the rogan board

but still joe rogan calls me his favourite poster

you have a lot to learn , kid

It's interesting when you think about what causes someone who hosts a show where people eat bugs to ban someone. I know he probably wasn't the web guy but it puts things in perspective.

[sonrisa salvaje]

i was banned 17 times at the rogan board

but still joe rogan calls me his favourite poster

you have a lot to learn , kid

Wow, you do have a lot of game.

[flappo]

i think he was scared of all the cock pics , eventually he embraced them

and is now living with his boyfriend eddie bravo and anon d loser in a 3 way love nest somewhere in san francisco

i'd post a popgear , but the board's currently censored

[philouze]

Wow, you do have a lot of game.

What??? Envy hasn't thanked this post yet???

[flappo]

Wow, you do have a lot of game.


i'll happily send you a link to his board

sadly i can't guarantee you'll last there more than a few posts

it's like here c. 2003

[sonrisa salvaje]

i'll happily send you a link to his board

sadly i can't guarantee you'll last there more than a few posts

it's like here c. 2003

Doesn't sound too bad, unless you get your feelings hurt easily.

[flappo]

Doesn't sound too bad, unless you get your feelings hurt easily.


http://forums.joerogan.net/index.php

http://forums.joerogan.net/showthread.php?t=89899

9819

[flappo]

you cunts should join up

we need more fucking losers to take the piss out of

lol

[flappo]

personally i can't fucking wait for loungemachine and nickdfresh to post here again without their mod bravado backup

i shall make it my personal vendetta to grind their e-persona's into the fucking dust for what they did to warf

watch and learn , kiddies

:)

[ELVIS]

Page five...

HAPPY ROTH ARMY DAY !!


:killer:

[chefcraig]

i'm still waiting to see what envy me brings to the table apart from pm's with broken promises of flashes of her yeast ridden old fanny

I don't care where you were on the planet when you read it, but that is simply fucking funny. :lol:

Fair play to you, sir. :lmao:

[philouze]

Page five...

HAPPY ROTH ARMY DAY !!


:killer:


Ooo.. I see you edited that one, King... :)

[ELVIS]

Ooo.. I see you edited that one, King... :)

jfail's name doesn't deserve to be at the top of a pile of shit...

[Angel]

Oh yeah. Old School Roth Board. Envy, I was the first to spot you for the fucking loser sociopathic slut cunt that you are... Enjoy the ride bitch. You're about to take it up all fucking holes....and then some. Kiss the pink unicorns goodbye folks. Looks like we got a good old fashioned Roth Board here again!

[PETE'S BROTHER]

main...lord...

[philouze]

Marriage thread, Angel??? ;)

[envy_me]

Marriage thread, Angel??? ;)

Lol :D you can't even get a washed up, fat ass lesbian to like you :biggrin:

[philouze]

Go back to singing lullabies to your dolls, Chucky.

[flappo]

Lol :D you can't even get a washed up, fat ass lesbian to like you :biggrin:


you're consistent , i'll give you that

consistently fucking deluded

what the fuck do you think makes you SO special ?

you managed to bullshit some washed up plate washing shitty bass player with your ass kissing crap ?

you can only bullshit for so long ( in life and on the net ) until you have to show what you're really made of , it's called having game , something you'd know fuck all about - as you have none

you're so fucking transparent it's painful to behold , you're the internet equivalent of cellophane

[Momshell]

Lol :D you can't even get a washed up, fat ass lesbian to like you :biggrin:

You sure you want to start the conversation about relationships?

[philouze]

Lol :D you can't even get a washed up, fat ass bass player to like you :biggrin:

Fixed it for ya, Freddy Krueger..

[envy_me]

you're consistent , i'll give you that

consistently fucking deluded

what the fuck do you think makes you SO special ?

you managed to bullshit some washed up plate washing shitty bass player with your ass kissing crap ?

you can only bullshit for so long ( in life and on the net ) until you have to show what you're really made of , it's called having game , something you'd know fuck all about - as you have none

you're so fucking transparent it's painful to behold , you're the internet equivalent of cellophane

In life or on the net you say? Wtf do you know about life? You've been here posting a monologue all fucking day. You don't have a life, Susan (yes, I've seen what you look like)

[Guitar Shark]

The "clean slate" notion seems to be working brilliantly so far! ;)

[VetteLS5]

main...lord...

It's kind of reminding me of the last day of school, when everyone throws all their papers in the air and runs around like crazy people when the last bell rings. Admittedly, I've been chuckling all day...

[philouze]

Just like your avatar, Shark... ;) How you doin??

[philouze]

It's kind of reminding me of the last day of school, when everyone throws all their papers in the air and runs around like crazy people when the last bell rings. Admittedly, I've been chuckling all day...

The exact meaning of School's Out by Alice..

[VetteLS5]

Lol :D you can't even get a washed up, fat ass lesbian to like you :biggrin:

Was he all that interested in your affections?

[DONNIEP]

I can feel the love in this thread. :gulp: :biggrin:

[VetteLS5]

You've been here posting a monologue all fucking day.

A fairly funny one though, you must admit.

[flappo]

In life or on the net you say? Wtf do you know about life? You've been here posting a monologue all fucking day. You don't have a life, Susan (yes, I've seen what you look like)


you've seen what i look like , good - what do YOU look like ? really ???

that's the face of a guy laughing at life , enjoying himself , in a car you couldn't afford outside his house a cunt like you couldn't even begin to think about affording in a part of london where you would belong in the fucking gutter along with all the other 2 bit whores

bitch , i could not only buy and sell you , i could buy and sell your whole fucking shitty fucking town

you snaggle toothed fucking ladyboy crone

[Satan]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mq-Z3_Ic124

[PETE'S BROTHER]

you've seen what i look like , good - what do YOU look like ? really ???

that's the face of a guy laughing at life , enjoying himself , in a car you couldn't afford outside his house a cunt like you couldn't even begin to think about affording in a part of london where you would belong in the fucking gutter along with all the other 2 bit whores

bitch , i could not only buy and sell you , i could buy and sell your whole fucking shitty fucking town

you snaggle toothed fucking ladyboy crone

now ya sound like the people you have issues with...there is a "envy boobs" thread somewhere to continue this convo, or the "wasting time" thread... :umm:

[envy_me]

......,,.

[philouze]

In life or on the net you say? Wtf do you know about life? You've been here posting a monologue all fucking day. You don't have a life, Susan (yes, I've seen what you look like)

We have ALL seen what you look like, Frankenvystein. Every guy on the Europe Message Board has seen what you look like. Now that we ALL know you're an ugly piece of shit, will you please get off our dicks, leave the Roth Army once and for all and get on with your "shoes/eating/Bellucci/unicorns" driven life? Oh and on your way out, don't forget the pack o'lard in the hallway..

And don't bother making a Goodbye thread. You've wasted enough bandwidth around here.

[philouze]

......,,.

What??

:gulp:

You've just wished me dead again???

:lmao:

[flappo]

so face it envy_twat , what have you got to show after all of this ?

are you going to report the site's web hoster's for all those shockingly inflammatory photoshops you managed to find on TWO separate websites ??

OH NO

they've resorted to typing plain english on their keyboards - whatever next ??? how will i cope ?@?!@?

bitch - if you think popgear is all i rely on in my e-wars - you know fuck all

it's just part of my massive arsenal of e-weapons i can call on

i was trained by hitch and riddler , you stupid deluded out of touch arrogant cunt

then again , you've probably never heard of them ...

[flappo]

now ya sound like the people you have issues with...there is a "envy boobs" thread somewhere to continue this convo, or the "wasting time" thread... :umm:


i don't even know who you are

sorry about that

[flappo]

at last the vOice of reason !!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hn49sH-dObI

[ELVIS]

This is getting good...

[binnie]

The "clean slate" notion seems to be working brilliantly so far! ;)

You can take a horse to water...............................but you can't make CVH fans think.......

[philouze]

This is getting good...

Yeah, I don't know...

But John Lydon RULES.

[philouze]

You can take a horse to water...............................but you can't make CVH fans think.......

You can make 'em drink though..

[ELVIS]

OH NO

they've resorted to typing plain english on their keyboards - whatever next ??? how will i cope ?@?!@?




:biggrin:

[binnie]

This could only get better if Sesh revealed that he is Kristy.......

[VetteLS5]

:focus:

Good for Sesh and Von. Both cracked me up regularly back at DDLR.

Pete's Bro has a good idea though.... so maybe off to the "ignoring" thread with ol' Sven? He/she/it isn't main-worthy.

[ELVIS]

The "clean slate" notion seems to be working brilliantly so far! ;)

It's called keeping it clean...

[PETE'S BROTHER]

This could only get better if Sesh revealed that he is Kristy.......

well, the pissed part is similar ;)

[flappo]

i don't use ignore

i either run them off the board or get banned

i'm old school

[ELVIS]

That's two kinds of pissed...

[ELVIS]

This could only get better if Sesh revealed that he is Kristy.......

No way could Krusty imitate Piers Morgan that well...

[flappo]

i'm pissed off

mainly as i've run out of vodka

lol

[ELVIS]

You still drinking catflappo ??

[VetteLS5]

i don't use ignore

Meant the thread, not the feature. Perhaps said thread could even be renamed? Hmmmm

[flappo]

envy's obviously very proud of her aphrodite level beauty

why don't we all post photos of her ??

i'm sure she'd appreciate that

envy , you incredibly sexy hussy* , why don't you post some - to set the fat bass playing farternity ( sic ) into orgasmic excitement !!?!?

*allegedly

[PETE'S BROTHER]

That's two kinds of pissed...

:biggrin: one can lead to the other

[chefcraig]

i'm pissed off

mainly as i've run out of vodka

lol
Ah...this is why I always buy the 1.75 liter bottle, and always have a second in reserve. You simply don't want to get halfway through an Inspector Morse or Life On Mars rerun and have to stagger out to the damned liquor store.

[flappo]

hahaha

very true

[clarathecarrot]

Is this the Kristy come home thread ?

I would like to sing a song , perhaps, of a strange and wonderfull feeling I have ...you know...down there .

This song is my, Ode to Kristy.

Titled..Ode to Kristy..or (Hey,.. is it ok, if I may, put my junk in a trashbag and then put it, ..in your trashcan?)

Ode To The Kristy

the carrot humps for the Kristy tasks me not

the carrot humps,..for the Kristy tasks me not

the carrot humps for the ,.. Kristy tasks me not

the carrot humps for the Kristy,..tasks,..me not

the carrot humps for the Kristy tasks me,..not.

question not why the carrot humps

the carrot humps for theeeeeee

hump hump hump, for the kristy tasks me not

what hump the carrot humps

question not why the the carrot humps

do so love the hump hump for the Kristy tasks me not

do so,..love the hump for the Kristy tasks me not

do so love love, the hump for the Kristy tasks me not

do so love love love the, hump for the Kristy tasks me not

do so love love the hump, for the Kristy tasks me not

do so love.love the hump for, the Kristy tasks me not

the carrot humps onlee for theeee


9704

[ELVIS]

So, now we need Dave to mention the cleansing of the Army on the Roth Show...:biggrin:

[DavidLeeNatra]

there is no place like fucking home...time to blow the dust from my keyboard...

that is the place I have missed for a long time!

[Angel]

there is no place like fucking home...time to blow the dust from my keyboard...

that is the place I have missed for a long time!

Oh my lord...good to see ya!

[ELVIS]

Is this the Kristy come home thread ?

I would like to sing a song


She journeyed to the Army
To read what Softcock said
He said, "KRUSTY is a FAT FISHKUNT BITCH",
typing from his mom's bed,
No job hunt today, his advice is free
There's a trick to doing nothing, it's called sponging off mommy

Stay Krusty
That's what the message board said
Stay Krusty
The words still haunt her fugly head
Can't control her temper
Can't find a single friend
In a world of dead ends...
Stay Krusty
Stay Krusty now, alright

Uhh-uhh-gly! Uhh-uhh-gly! Uhh-uhh-uhh-uhh-gly!
Uhh-uhh-gly! Uhh-uhh-gly! Uhh-uhh-uhh-uhh-barf!

She travelled to the South
Asked the ancient Rabbi to pee
Voice heavy with dusgust, he tried to make her see
"Same as prostitution, bitch, flee away from me
Good luck on your Krusty journey
And brush those crusty teeth"

Stay Krusty
Bitch's world 'bout to end
Stay Krusty
Like a former client said
"Don't want 'em to rip you off
Don't show 'em your ugly tits"
But that's just what she did
Stay Krusty!
Look out
Stay Krusty!

Uhh-uhh-gly! Uhh-uhh-gly! Uhh-uhh-uhh-uhh-gly!
Uhh-uhh-gly! Uhh-uhh-gly! Uhh-uhh-uhh-uhh-ughh!

She journeyed to the East
And struggled to stay afloat
A big disgusted Buddhist Monk grabbed her by the throat
punched her in the eye
Said, "Don't make me say this twice
You want to be a stupid bitch, I'm ready for a fight"

Stay Krusty
In a world with no friends
Stay Krusty
Sees life through a prozac lens
Look beyond the dumb bitch dissing
She seeks love
But it's not found in pissing
Stay Krusty
Stay Krusty now

She wandered out West
To the California Coast
Where the folks who know about Krustiness stay away from her the most
Her new landlord clubbed her with a fence post
"His West Coast ghost"

Stay Krusty
Punch her in the mandible
Stay Krusty
And/or burn her with a candle
Far and wide far as you ramble
Stay away from Krusty
She smells like a camel



:elvis:

[binnie]

She journeyed to the Army
To read what Softcock said
He said, "KRUSTY is a FAT FISHKUNT BITCH",
typing from his mom's bed,
No job hunt today, his advice is free
There's a trick to doing nothing, it's called sponging off mommy

Stay Krusty
That's what the message board said
Stay Krusty
The words still haunt her fugly head
Can't control her temper
Can't find a single friend
In a world of dead ends...
Stay Krusty
Stay Krusty now, alright

Uhh-uhh-gly! Uhh-uhh-gly! Uhh-uhh-uhh-uhh-gly!
Uhh-uhh-gly! Uhh-uhh-gly! Uhh-uhh-uhh-uhh-barf!

She travelled to the South
Asked the ancient Rabbi to pee
Voice heavy with dusgust, he tried to make her see
"Same as prostitution, bitch, flee away from me
Good luck on your Krusty journey
And brush those nasty teeth"

Stay Krusty
Bitch's world 'bout to end
Stay Krusty
Like a former client said
"Don't want 'em to rip you off
Don't show 'em your ugly tits"
But that's just what she did
Stay Krusty!
Look out
Stay Krusty!

Uhh-uhh-gly! Uhh-uhh-gly! Uhh-uhh-uhh-uhh-gly!
Uhh-uhh-gly! Uhh-uhh-gly! Uhh-uhh-uhh-uhh-ughh!

She journeyed to the East
And struggled to stay afloat
A big disgusted Buddhist Monk grabbed her by the throat
punched her in the eye
Said, "Don't make me say this twice
You want to be a stupid bitch, I'm ready for a fight"

Stay Krusty
In a world with no friends
Stay Krusty
Sees life through a prozac lens
Look beyond the dumb bitch dissing
She seeks love
But it's not found in pissing
Stay Krusty
Stay Krusty now

She wandered out West
To the California Coast
Where the folks who know about Krustiness stay away from her the most
Her new landlord clubbed her with a fence post
"His West Coast ghost"

Stay Krusty
Punch her in the mandible
Stay Krusty
And/or burn her with a candle
Far and wide far as you ramble
Stay away from Krusty
She smells like a camel



:elvis:

Has Yngwie leaked the lyrics for the songs from his next album? :D

[Satan]

http://www.cosgan.de/images/smilie/teufel/d025.gifhttp://www.cosgan.de/images/smilie/teufel/d025.gif

[DLR Bridge]

I still think Chinatown and maybe Blood And Fire could be part of those 3 songs from '00. Right down to Dave's vocal track. I'd swear that smoke and whiskey soaked voice sounds about 10 years younger on those two more so than the rest of the disc.

No one has any thoughts to add to this? Not even you, Elvis?

Drop the fucking bullshit already and remember the damn namesake of this place.

[chefcraig]

Stay Krusty
That's what the message board said
Stay Krusty
The words still haunt her fugly head
Can't control her temper
Can't find a single friend
In a world of dead ends...
Stay Krusty
Stay Krusty now, alright

Uhh-uhh-gly! Uhh-uhh-gly! Uhh-uhh-uhh-uhh-gly!
Uhh-uhh-gly! Uhh-uhh-gly! Uhh-uhh-uhh-uhh-barf!...






:elvis:

God damned it, king. Now I have to go listen to that fuckingly brilliant ADKOT album all over again, for the millionth time.

Ya peckerhead. And by the way, thanks. :thumb:

[ELVIS]

No one has any thoughts to add to this? Not even you, Elvis?

Drop the fucking bullshit already and remember the damn namesake of this place.

I didn't forget that...

I'm gonna have to listen with that in mind and get back to you...:biggrin:

[philouze]

there is no place like fucking home...time to blow the dust from my keyboard...

that is the place I have missed for a long time!

DIRK!!! Outstanding!!!
Good to see you again, mein freund!!

[ELVIS]

No one has any thoughts to add to this? Not even you, Elvis?



I'm thinking Chinatown is a new song written by Ed and Wolf...

Blood and Fire is that Ripley song that Ed wrote one night while still in bed with Hagar...

So they probably did work that one up in 2000...

You know, with Ed's ten albums and all...


:biggrin:

[DavidLeeNatra]

Oh my lord...good to see ya!

what the army turned into made me become a lurker...dropped by on a daily basis...left a handful of thanks and left...

good to see some of the old school no good bastards in full combat mode :biggrin:

[philouze]

I'm thinking Chinatown is a new song written by Ed and Wolf...

Every time I hear this song, I wanna tear up my house with my three remaining teeth..

[DLR Bridge]

I didn't forget that...

I'm gonna have to listen with that in mind and get back to you...:biggrin:

I think the "toldja I was coming back..." is new and the rest of that tune is old, vocal-wise. Just a theory.

[fraroc]

This is my tribute to Krustina......(with apologies to Eric Cartman from South Park)

Ahem......





WEEEEEEEELLLLL KRUSTY'S A CUNT SHE'S A BIG FAT CUNT SHE'S THE BIGGEST CUNT IN THE WHOLE WIDE WORLD SHE'S A STUPID CUNT AS EVER WAS A CUNT SHE'S A CUNT TO ALL THE BOYS AND GIRLS

ON MONDAY SHE'S A CUNT, ON TUESDAY SHE'S A CUNT AND WEDNESDAY THROUGH SATURDAY SHE'S A CUNT, THEN ON SUNDAY JUST TO BE DIFFERENT SHE'S A SUPER KING KAHMEHAMEA CUNTFACE!



I don't think I've ever said the C-word as many times as I just did...

[clarathecarrot]

No one has any thoughts to add to this? Not even you, Elvis?

Drop the fucking bullshit already and remember the damn namesake of this place.

I bet Kristy knows that bitch knows everything.

or Someone should start a thread.

or What is the title of this thread ?

or Sesh is cool.

[ELVIS]

what the army turned into made me become a lurker... :biggrin:

You beat me to it...

Dirk the Lurk...

[ELVIS]

I think the "toldja I was coming back..." is new and the rest of that tune is old, vocal-wise. Just a theory.

I think all the vocals are fresh...

I mean Dave recycles a lot of lines...

But it's freshly packaged...


:biggrin:

[big fatty]

No one has any thoughts to add to this? Not even you, Elvis?

Drop the fucking bullshit already and remember the damn namesake of this place.

Yeah, about Blood and Fire/ ( formerly Ripley from '84) right. I noticed that too. :ohmy:

[philouze]

But it's freshly packaged...

As fresh a the food Gordon Ramsay finds in the Kitchen Nightmares freezers..

Dave magnified Ripley. Hell, he magnifies EVERY song.

[ThrillsNSpills]

I bet Kristy knows that bitch knows everything.

or Someone should start a thread.

or What is the title of this thread ?

or Sesh is cool.


How many Darvocets does it take to get to the Tootsie Roll center of a Moron Pop?

[DavidLeeNatra]

You beat me to it...

Dirk the Lurk...

Shag the Greg :biggrin:

[Satan]

I still think Chinatown and maybe Blood And Fire could be part of those 3 songs from '00. Right down to Dave's vocal track. I'd swear that smoke and whiskey soaked voice sounds about 10 years younger on those two more so than the rest of the disc.

Blood And Fire actually goes all the way back to 1985. The original instrumental version was part of the "Wild Life" soundtrack, and was then known as "Ripley". It may have well been on the 7th Van Halen album in 1986, had the band stayed together then.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe1X3yOWhdA

[ELVIS]

Does that rhyme in Nazi ??

[chefcraig]

Yeah, about Blood and Fire/ ( formerly Ripley from '84) right. I noticed that too. :ohmy:

Yeah, the drummer put in a real drum track as opposed to the dorky synth one on the demo, but everything else sounds pretty much the same, spare some apparent Pro tools edits. Who knows, you could do just about anything in the studio these days, and as for the vocals, they could have been sped up or slowed down one way or another, even if they were recorded recently.

There simply is no way of knowing what is what today with production today. If it were so, about 98 % of these jugheads making hit records over the past decade would be moving shopping carts at Winn Dixie, rather than Tweeting about how special they are.

[philouze]

Fuck, y'all made me wanna crank up ADKOT!!! (Dirk, first ADKOT owner, by the way.. Just in case you forgot)

[DavidLeeNatra]

Does that rhyme in Nazi ??

as much as yours in redneck...

[clarathecarrot]

"Stay Krusty"....so, a Elvis ..you tying to cybermarry my gurl..huh!

(My strapon wearing girlfriend that I wash dishes for, better not find out what I am doing)

I have, -see'cybered- her first!!! Maybe I will start a click.que and get some body banned?

Oh wait....

[DavidLeeNatra]

Fuck, y'all made me wanna crank up ADKOT!!! (Dirk, first ADKOT owner, by the way.. Just in case you forgot)

not to mention that I was on his radio show and talked to the man for almost 7 minutes!!!

[flappo]

not to mention that I was on his radio show and talked to the man for almost 7 minutes!!!


cool...

[DavidLeeNatra]

cool...

no..."outstanding" :biggrin:

[clarathecarrot]

How many Darvocets does it take to get to the Tootsie Roll center of a Moron Pop?

You have to put a "Sesh is cool" at the end to stay on topic.

[DavidLeeNatra]

oh and by the way...the subject was an "army of prostitutes" invading germany for the Worldcup!

[DLR Bridge]

Blood And Fire actually goes all the way back to 1985. The original instrumental version was part of the "Wild Life" soundtrack, and was then known as "Ripley". It may have well been on the 7th Van Halen album in 1986, had the band stayed together then.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe1X3yOWhdA

Oh I know all of that. After 15 years of being a bootleg aficionado? I'm talking strictly Dave's role with this tune this time around. I think they blew the dust off of it in '00 and made the hands fall off the clock. Then those damn lawyers got involved, or whatever Ed mumbled.

[philouze]

How could y'all forget this:

"Dirk, calling from Germany. Outstanding!" (DLR)

Come on, people...

[Seshmeister]

Ah...this is why I always buy the 1.75 liter bottle, and always have a second in reserve. You simply don't want to get halfway through an Inspector Morse or Life On Mars rerun and have to stagger out to the damned liquor store.

The SM got me a 3 liter bottle for Xmas one year. The thing was a monster, it lasted me right past new years eve.

[ThrillsNSpills]

So you wanted to speculate whether Dave put the vocals on that track in 2000 because of the way his voice sounded?

[philouze]

The SM got me a 3 liter bottle for Xmas one year. The thing was a monster, it lasted me right past new years eve.

My ex...

[DavidLeeNatra]

How could y'all forget this:

"Dirk, calling from Germany. Outstanding!" (DLR)

Come on, people...

that quote alone deserves a sticky!

[philouze]

I'm outta thanks, brother.. I owe you one. A BIG one. :)

[DLR Bridge]

So you wanted to speculate whether Dave put the vocals on that track in 2000 because of the way his voice sounded?

Just a conversation. The '00 session was brought up and I threw it out there. My bad. And now, back to beating up on a girl. Gee, Dave would be so proud.


Oh and Thrills, if you're not being smug with me, I'm not being smug with you. :yo: