Blueprint 2nd amendment

[jacksmar]

The 2nd amendment at work:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2493732/Marcus-Arceneaux-rescued-niece-kidnapped-stabbed-ex-boyfriend.html

Dramatic moment family rescued kidnapped and stabbed girl in shoot-out at abandoned house where she'd been held for 3 days

Victim's family claim they shot dead Scott Thomas during rescue attempt


The dramatic moment an uncle carried his terrified and bloodied niece to safety after she was kidnapped and held hostage in an abandoned Louisiana house was caught on camera today.

Bethany Arceneaux was taken hostage on Wednesday evening by Scott Thomas, her ex-boyfriend and father of her child.

A few hours after Marcus Arceneaux was pictured carrying his niece from a vacant house in Duson, a police swat team entered the building and Thomas was found shot dead.

http://www.klfy.com/story/23903766/victim-and-suspect-sought-in-kidnapping

[Seshmeister]

So rare though, the statistics aren't with you.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/29/us/children-and-guns-the-hidden-toll.html?_r=0

The .45-caliber pistol that killed Lucas Heagren, 3, on Memorial Day last year at his Ohio home had been temporarily hidden under the couch by his father. But Lucas found it and shot himself through the right eye. “It’s bad,” his mother told the 911 dispatcher. “It’s really bad.”

A few days later in Georgia, Cassie Culpepper, 11, was riding in the back of a pickup with her 12-year-old brother and two other children. Her brother started playing with a pistol his father had lent him to scare coyotes. Believing he had removed all the bullets, he pointed the pistol at his sister and squeezed the trigger. It fired, and blood poured from Cassie’s mouth.

Just a few weeks earlier, in Houston, a group of youths found a Glock pistol in an apartment closet while searching for snack money. A 15-year-old boy was handling the gun when it went off. Alex Whitfield, who had just turned 11, was struck. A relative found the bullet in his ashes from the funeral home.

BEARING ARMS
Examining the gun industry’s influence and the availability of firearms in America

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Cases like these are among the most gut-wrenching of gun deaths. Children shot accidentally — usually by other children — are collateral casualties of the accessibility of guns in America, their deaths all the more devastating for being eminently preventable.

They die in the households of police officers and drug dealers, in broken homes and close-knit families, on rural farms and in city apartments. Some adults whose guns were used had tried to store them safely; others were grossly negligent. Still others pulled the trigger themselves, accidentally fracturing their own families while cleaning a pistol or hunting.

And there are far more of these innocent victims than official records show.

A New York Times review of hundreds of child firearm deaths found that accidental shootings occurred roughly twice as often as the records indicate, because of idiosyncrasies in how such deaths are classified by the authorities. The killings of Lucas, Cassie and Alex, for instance, were not recorded as accidents. Nor were more than half of the 259 accidental firearm deaths of children under age 15 identified by The Times in eight states where records were available.

As a result, scores of accidental killings are not reflected in the official statistics that have framed the debate over how to protect children from guns.



The police investigation report in the Cassie Culpepper case indicates that her brother, Nicholas, shot her accidentally. But the state medical examiner classified her death as a homicide, a common practice for unintentional firearm deaths in which one person shoots another.
The National Rifle Association cited the lower official numbers this year in a fact sheet opposing “safe storage” laws, saying children were more likely to be killed by falls, poisoning or environmental factors — an incorrect assertion if the actual number of accidental firearm deaths is significantly higher.

In all, fewer than 20 states have enacted laws to hold adults criminally liable if they fail to store guns safely, enabling children to access them.

Legislative and other efforts to promote the development of childproof weapons using “smart gun” technology have similarly stalled. Technical issues have been an obstacle, but so have N.R.A. arguments that the problem is relatively insignificant and the technology unneeded.

Because of maneuvering in Congress by the gun lobby and its allies, firearms have also been exempted from regulation by the Consumer Product Safety Commission since its inception.

Even with a proper count, intentional shooting deaths of children — including gang shootings and murder-suicides by family members — far exceed accidental gun deaths. But accidents, more than the other firearm-related deaths, come with endless hypotheticals about what could have been done differently.

The rifle association’s lobbying arm recently posted on its Web site a claim that adult criminals who mishandle firearms — as opposed to law-abiding gun owners — are responsible for most fatal accidents involving children. But The Times’s review found that a vast majority of cases revolved around children’s access to firearms, with the shooting either self-inflicted or done by another child.

A common theme in the cases examined by The Times, in fact, was the almost magnetic attraction of firearms among boys. In all but a handful of instances, the shooter was male. Boys also accounted for more than 80 percent of the victims.

Time and again, boys could not resist handling a gun, disregarding repeated warnings by adults and, sometimes, their own sense that they were doing something wrong.

When Joshua Skorczewski, 11, took an unloaded 20-gauge shotgun out of the family gun cabinet in western Minnesota on July 28, 2008, it was because he was excited about going to a gun safety class that night and wanted to practice.

But for reasons that he later struggled to explain to the police, Joshua loaded a single shell into the gun and pulled the hammer back. He decided he should put the gun back, but his finger slipped. It fired, killing his 12-year-old sister, Natasha, who was standing in the kitchen with him. When his mother called from work to check on them, a shaken Joshua told her he had just called 911: “Mom, I shot Tasha.”

Christina Wenzel, the mother of Alex Whitfield, had tried to make sure he did not visit anyone’s house if guns were present. What she did not know, when Alex went to his father’s apartment last April, was that a family member had stored three loaded guns there.

“I always thought I had Alex protected from being killed by another child by a gun that was not secured,” Ms. Wenzel said. “Unfortunately, I was mistaken.”

Undercounting Deaths


Compiling a complete census of accidental gun deaths of children is difficult, because most states do not consider death certificate data a matter of public record. In a handful of states, however, the information is publicly available. Using these death records as a guide, along with hundreds of medical examiner and coroner reports and police investigative files, The Times sought to identify every accidental firearm death of a child age 14 and under in Georgia, Minnesota, North Carolina and Ohio dating to 1999, and in California to 2007. Records were also obtained from several county medical examiners’ offices in Florida, Illinois and Texas.

When children are killed in unintentional shootings, medical examiners and coroners classify many as homicides, or even suicides. A detailed examination by The New York Times of death records, available in just a handful of states, found that fedderal statistics.)

The undercount stems from the peculiarities by which medical examiners and coroners make their “manner of death” rulings. These pronouncements, along with other information entered on death certificates, are the basis for the nation’s mortality statistics, which are assembled by the National Center for Health Statistics, a division of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Choosing among five options — homicide, accidental, suicide, natural or undetermined — most medical examiners and coroners simply call any death in which one person shoots another a homicide.

“A homicide just means they died at the hands of another,” said Dr. Randy L. Hanzlick, the chief medical examiner for Fulton County, Ga. “It doesn’t really connote there’s an intent to kill.”

These rulings can be wildly inconsistent.

In Bexar County, Tex., for example, the medical examiner’s office issued a finding of homicide in the death of William Reddick, a 9-month-old who was accidentally killed on May 17, 1999, when his 2-year-old brother opened a dresser drawer while in the crib with him, grabbed a pistol and pulled the trigger.

But the next year, when Kyle Bedford, 2, was killed by his 5-year-old brother, who had found a gun on a closet shelf, the same office classified the death as an accident.



The circumstances behind the accidental shooting deaths of Kyle Bedford and William Reddick were similar. But the Bexar County Medical Examiner's Office ruled one was a homicide and the other was an accident, highlighting just how inconsistent these pronouncements can be.
Even self-inflicted shootings that are clearly accidental, like that of Lucas Heagren in Ohio, can wind up classified as homicides.

Lucas’s father, Joshua Heagren, had tried to teach the 3-year-old to respect firearms. The boy had gotten a .22 rifle for Christmas, and his father showed him how to fire it. But he also warned him to handle it only when an adult was present.

“He never even attempted to touch guns when Josh wasn’t around,” Lucas’s mother, Kaitlin Campbell, testified at Mr. Heagren’s trial, where he was convicted of negligent homicide and endangering children. “He knew.”

On the day of the accident, Mr. Heagren had been planning to go out shooting, so he took his pistol from the bedroom, where he normally kept it in a holster between the mattress and the box spring, according to his court testimony. When Ms. Campbell and Lucas returned from buying an inflatable swimming pool, Mr. Heagren slid his gun under the couch before heading outside to set up the pool.

At some point, with his mother distracted by her phone a few steps away, Lucas discovered the gun, grabbed the butt and squeezed the trigger with his thumbs, according to the authorities.

“Our thought process was, parents have a duty to keep their child safe,” said Dr. Lisa Kohler, the Summit County medical examiner, whose office classified the case as a homicide. “Leaving a loaded weapon in an area where the child can easily access it is neglect in our mind. Therefore parents have failed to keep a child safe, and therefore it’s a homicide.”

Dr. Kohler said that because of the neglect issue, her office would almost never classify a firearm-related death as accidental, but added, “Different jurisdictions are going to handle things differently.”

Bob Anderson, the chief of the mortality statistics branch at the National Center for Health Statistics, explained that the federal data on firearm deaths are “only as good as the information that comes in.”

“I try to tell people when they look at the accidental data, particularly for children, you have to recognize it’s an underestimate,” he said.

A few public health researchers have noted the undercount in the past, based on their own academic studies. (One study found the opposite phenomenon — an overcount — among fatal gun accidents involving adults because of a different quirk in the data.) To get more accurate information about firearm deaths, researchers have pushed for the expansion of the National Violent Death Reporting System.

The effort first started in the 1990s at the C.D.C. but was shut down shortly afterward when Congress, at the urging of the N.R.A., blocked firearms-related research at the centers. The project was revived in 2002 after researchers decided to expand its scope beyond guns, but it is up and running in only 18 states. President Obama has called for increased financing for the program, part of a package of gun-related proposals made after the school shooting in Newtown, Conn., last December.

Another important aspect of firearm accidents is that a vast majority of victims do not die. Tracking these injuries nationally, however, is arguably just as problematic as tallying fatalities, according to public health researchers. In fact, national figures often cited from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention’s Web site are an estimate, projected from a sampling taken from hospital emergency departments. Nevertheless, in 2011, the most recent year with available data, the agency estimated that there were 847 unintentional nonfatal firearm injuries among children 14 and under.

More concrete are actual counts of emergency department visits, which are available in a small number of states. In North Carolina, for instance, there were more than 120 such visits for nonfatal gun accidents among children 17 and under in 2010, the most recent year for which data is available.

A Failed Lock

On a hot and humid August afternoon last year in Hinesville, Ga., Matthew Underhill, a staff sergeant in the Army, was mowing the lawn while his wife, Tessa, was in the house watching television with their 5-year-old son, Matthew. Their other son, Tristan, 2, was scampering down a hallway toward the bedrooms.

It had been a good day for Tristan. He had used the potty for the first time. He and his mother had danced a little jig. Down the hall, Tristan entered the bedroom where his father had been staying because of quarrels with his wife. She had chided her husband in the past for forgetting to safely store his .45-caliber handgun. But he had recently put a lock on his door to keep out his wife and children. He thought he had locked the door before going out to cut the grass.


Tristan Underhill, 2, died from an accidental self-inflicted gunshot wound after he found his father's gun under a pillow in an unlocked bedroom.
The lock, though, had failed to catch. Tristan found the loaded gun under the pillow on his father’s bed. He pointed it at his own forehead and pulled the trigger. Hearing the gunshot, Sergeant Underhill sprinted inside to find Tristan face down on the bed, the gun beneath him. When he called 911, the sergeant was screaming so hysterically that the dispatcher initially mistook him for a woman.

“My 2-year-old just shot himself in the head,” he said breathlessly. “He’s dead.”

Tristan’s death underscored several themes running through the cases examined by The Times.

While about 60 percent of the accidental firearm deaths identified by The Times involved handguns as opposed to long guns, that number was much higher — more than 85 percent — when the victims were very young, under the age of 6. In fact, the average handgun victim was several years younger than long gun victims: between 7 and 8, compared with almost 11.

Over all, the largest number of deaths came at the upper end of the age range, with ages 13 and 14 being most common — not necessarily surprising, given that parents generally allow adolescents greater access to guns. But the third-most common age was 3 (tied with 12), a particularly vulnerable age, when children are curious and old enough to manipulate a firearm but ignorant of the dangers.

About a quarter of the victims shot themselves, with younger children again especially susceptible. More than half of the self-inflicted shootings involved children 5 or under; the most common age was 3.

About half of the accidents took place inside the child’s home. A third, however, occurred at the house of a friend or a relative, pointing to a potential vulnerability if safe-storage laws apply only to households with children, as in North Carolina.

In opposing safe-storage laws, some gun rights advocates have argued that a majority of accidental shootings of children are committed by adults with criminal backgrounds. The Times’s review found that was not the case — children were most often the shooters — and that the families involved came from all walks of life.

On Dec. 1, 2006, Beth Dwyer was getting her two boys, ages 5 and 8, ready for school. Her husband, Daron, the minister of music at the family’s church in Gastonia, N.C., was not home because he had enrolled in a seminary several hours away. The night before, Ms. Dwyer had taken the family’s .25-caliber handgun from the top drawer of a dresser and placed it next to her on the bed. In the morning, she forgot to put it away.

Her 8-year-old found the gun. He initially tried to cock it and pulled the trigger, pointing the gun at the bathroom floor, but nothing happened, according to the medical examiner’s report. Evidently thinking the gun was empty, he tried again, pointing the gun at his brother, Matthew, who was crouched on the bathroom counter, having just finished brushing his teeth. This time, with a live round in the chamber, the gun went off, and Matthew toppled to the floor, shot through the forehead.

Based on a detailed examination of 259 gun deaths of children under 15 from jurisdictions that make death records public, including California, Georgia, Minnesota, North Carolina and Ohio, as well as Bexar, Tarrant and Harris Counties in Texas; Broward and Orange Counties in Florida; and Cook County, Ill.

A Census of Tragedy
From a detailed examination of 259 accidental gun deaths of children under 15.
Even in accidental shootings where criminals were in some way involved, they usually were not the ones pulling the trigger. Rather, they — like many law-abiding adults in these cases — simply left a gun unsecured.

As a felon, Anthony Wise was not supposed to have a firearm. But he was able to buy a .38 Special revolver on the street for $30. He had it in his ex-girlfriend’s apartment in Venice, Ill., on Jan. 29, 2007, when he left it next to a computer in the living room and went to another room. Within minutes, a 4-year-old boy, one of several small children in the apartment, picked up the gun and pointed it at his 2-year-old cousin, Timberlyn Terrell. The gun fired. The boy later told an investigator what happened next.

“Blood came out of her forehead,” the boy said, according to a transcript of the interview. He then said he did not want to talk about it anymore and asked for “my mama.”

Timberlyn died. Mr. Wise was convicted of felony firearm possession, but his 10-year federal prison sentence was based in part on the judge’s determination that he had also endangered a child with his negligence.

“Wise would have been a felon in possession even had he possessed the gun in a more responsible way — say, if he had kept it unloaded in a locked cabinet, or if he had kept it unloaded with a trigger lock,” an appellate judge wrote in rejecting his bid for leniency. “More than likely, though, responsible possession would not have endangered the lives of children.”

Safety vs. Self-Defense

The impact of the undercount of accidental gun deaths emerges in stark relief in the statehouse battles over gun-storage laws.

In state after state and often with considerable success, gun rights groups have cited the federal numbers as proof that the problem is nearly inconsequential and that storage laws are unnecessary. Gun Owners of America says on its Web site that children are “130 percent more likely to die from choking on their dinner” than from accidental shootings.

In February 2012, the rifle association issued a member alert about a proposed safe-storage law in Washington State, arguing that shootings are “at the bottom of the list of causes of accidental harm to children.” The group accused State Senator Adam Kline, who introduced the measure, of being interested only in “making life miserable for law-abiding gun owners.” The legislation never made it out of committee.

Under the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention figures, in fact, gun accidents were the ninth-leading cause of unintentional deaths among children ages 1 to 14 in 2010. (The agency reported 62 such killings that year.) If the actual numbers are, in fact, roughly double, however, gun accidents would rise into the top five or six.

Gun rights groups have certainly called on gun owners to safely store their firearms. The National Shooting Sports Foundation says that it has distributed 36 million free firearm safety kits and that manufacturers have shipped 60 million locks with guns sold since 1998. But the groups argue that requiring gun owners to lock up their weapons could make it harder to use them for self-protection.

The rifle association and its allies also often note that studies on the impact of safe-storage laws have found mixed results. But those studies are based on the flawed government statistics.

“When we’re evaluating child access laws, we’re using total trash data,” said Catherine Barber, a researcher at the Injury Control Research Center of the Harvard School of Public Health.

Getting a definitive count of the number of states with a safe-storage law is difficult, but The Times identified only 18, using information from the Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence and researchers who have studied the laws. And in most of those states, charges can be brought only if the child uses the weapon in a threatening manner, injures someone with it or displays it in public.

Even so, in one state, North Carolina, where the law is narrowly drawn to apply only to adults with minors living at home, the authorities charged about 150 people between June 2006 and June 2011, an analysis of court records shows.


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An Accidental Shooting
14-year-old Noah McGuire was accidentally shot by a friend, with a gun that had been kept behind a television.Photo: Chris Parker/ThisWeek Newspapers; Video: Vijai Singh and Christopher Toothman for The New York Times
Jodi Sandoval of Ohio discovered the limits of her state’s laws after her 14-year-old son, Noah McGuire, was accidentally killed on July 5, 2012, in a suburb of Columbus.

Noah had slept over at the home of his close friend Levi Reed, who lived with his grandparents. In the morning, with no adults around, the boys went looking for a lighter to set off some fireworks. Instead, they found a .45-caliber handgun behind a television in a bedroom, one of three guns that Levi’s grandfather later told the police he had kept there for protection.

Though his grandfather had always admonished him never to handle the weapons, Levi, 14, removed the magazine, pointed the gun at his friend and pulled the trigger. He did not realize that a round had remained in the chamber.

Levi was recently sentenced in juvenile court to 12 months of probation for reckless homicide, a felony. Ms. Sandoval strongly opposed the prosecution, telling the court at Levi’s sentencing that the adults who failed to properly secure the gun were the ones who should be punished. But there is no safe-storage law in Ohio.

“There are no accidents,” Ms. Sandoval said. “There are simply irresponsible, stubborn, cowardly adults unwilling to stand up against the gun lobby and those who support it.”

A safe-storage bill was introduced in the Ohio legislature in February, prompted by a shooting that killed three students at a high school in suburban Cleveland. But the measure, which would prohibit storing a firearm in a residence in a place readily accessible to a child, has encountered skepticism from the Republicans who control the legislature.

“The tenor was, somebody breaks in, do I have time enough to get to my gun?” said State Representative Bill Patmon, a Democrat who introduced the bill.

A similar measure introduced in Louisiana this year also went nowhere.

The N.R.A. has long argued that better education is the key to preventing gun accidents, citing its Eddie Eagle GunSafe program, which teaches children as young as 3 that if they see a gun, they should “stop, don’t touch, leave the area and tell an adult.” The association, which did not respond to a request for comment, says its program has reached more than 26 million children in all 50 states and should be credited for the deep decline in accidental gun deaths shown in federal statistics dating to the mid-1980s.

Beyond the unreliability of the federal data, public health experts have disputed the N.R.A.’s claims, pointing to other potential explanations for the decline, including improvements in emergency medical care, along with data showing fewer households with firearms. They also highlight research indicating that admonishing children to stay away from guns is often ineffective.

“I have no problem with that message, and I would hope every child in America could follow it,” said Dr. Arthur Kellermann, a co-author of a study published in 2001 in the journal Pediatrics. “I just know that they won’t.”

As part of Dr. Kellermann’s study, researchers watched through a one-way mirror as pairs of boys ages 8 to 12 were left alone in an examination room at a clinic in Atlanta. Unknown to the children, an inoperative .38-caliber handgun was concealed in a cabinet drawer.


Noah McGuire with his father, Matt McGuire. Noah was shot by his friend Levi Reed with a gun found in Levi's grandfather's house. Levi thought the gun was unloaded.
Playing and exploring over the next 15 minutes, one boy after another — three-quarters of the 64 children — found the gun. Two-thirds handled it, and one-third actually pulled the trigger. Just one child went to tell an adult about the gun, and he was teased by his peers for it. More than 90 percent of the boys said they had had some gun safety instruction.

Other research has found that simply having a firearm in the household is correlated with an increased risk of accidental shooting death. In one study, published in 2003 in the journal Accident Analysis and Prevention, the risk was more than three times as high for one gun, and almost four times as high for more than one.

As a solution, many behavioral researchers advocate greater emphasis on child-proofing firearms, along with safe-storage laws. But requiring, or even encouraging, efforts to introduce “smart gun” technology remains unpopular with the gun lobby, which has worked to undermine such research and attempts to regulate firearms as a dangerous consumer product.

In 2000, after President Bill Clinton proposed spending $10 million to help develop a gun that could be fired only by its owner, the rifle association ran derisory radio ads. One, called “Mad Scientist,” featured a Clinton impersonator and a bumbling scientist “deep in the White House laboratory,” trying in vain to get the new technology to work.

A commercially successful smart gun has, in fact, proved difficult to develop. Hurdles include creating fail-safe user-recognition technology, integrating delicate electronic components that can withstand shock from repeated firings, and allaying concerns of manufacturers fearful of liability if a supposedly safe gun was to fail.

Technologies exist, but a lack of research financing has hobbled their progress to the market, as have questions about whether consumers would actually want them. The opposition from gun rights advocates has certainly not helped. Some gun control advocates, meanwhile, fear that such technologies would lead to greater acceptance of firearms in the home.

In the mid-2000s, an Australian defense technology company called Metal Storm teamed with the gun maker Taurus International Manufacturing and the New Jersey Institute of Technology to develop a gun in the United States that would have fired only when gripped by its owner. New Jersey became the first state to require that handguns use smart-gun technology within three years after it is deemed safe and commercially available.

But Taurus backed out within a few months, citing competing priorities, and the project fell apart. Charles Vehlow, Metal Storm’s chief executive at the time, said that while he did not know exactly what pressures Taurus faced, there was a general wariness of smart-gun efforts among manufacturers and pro-gun groups.

“There was no question that the N.R.A. was very sensitive and was aware of what we were doing,” he said.

The Colt’s Manufacturing Company and Smith & Wesson experienced a backlash against their own smart-gun programs, which were abandoned amid financial problems caused, in part, by boycotts from gun groups and others in the industry. So unpopular was the whole smart-gun concept that Colt’s Manufacturing later could not even find a buyer for its patents, said Carlton Chen, a former lawyer for the company.

“I think people looked at Colt’s, they looked at the boycott and they looked at Smith & Wesson, and they thought, ‘Do we really want to go it alone?’ ” Mr. Chen said. “Gun companies have to be fairly careful about what they do.”

Gun rights lobbyists have also helped keep firearms and ammunition beyond the reach of the Consumer Product Safety Commission, which has the power to regulate other products that are dangerous to children. The N.R.A. argues that the commission would provide a back door for gun control advocates to restrict the manufacture of firearms. Proponents of regulation say guns pose too great a hazard to exclude them from scrutiny.

“We know in the world of injury control that designing safer products is often the most efficient way to reduce tragedies,” said Dr. Kellermann, the co-author of the boys-and-guns study, who is a dean at the Uniformed Services University of the Health Sciences. “Why, if we have childproof aspirin bottles, don’t we have childproof guns?”

A Complex Relationship

A few months ago, Daron Dwyer took his 14-year-old son shooting for the first time, six years after he accidentally killed his brother with the gun he found in his parents’ North Carolina bedroom.


Matthew Dwyer, 5, was shot by his brother with a pistol his mother had left out at their home in North Carolina.
Mr. Dwyer had removed all the guns from the house, sending them to his father. But about a year ago, his son started asking if he could learn to shoot. Mr. Dwyer said he would think about it.

It was a question that Mr. Dwyer, who now works as a fitness director at a Y.M.C.A., knew would come. Relatives would often go shooting together during family gatherings. His son was fascinated by all things military. Guns were simply a part of life where they were from. “In my context, there’s a part of a young man’s growing-up experience that includes exposure to firearms,” Mr. Dwyer said. “That’s one of the responsibilities, like learning how to drive a car.”

Mr. Dwyer also saw an opportunity for forgiveness. “It’s kind of a tangible expression of the reality of ‘I do not hold this against you,’ ” he said.

So, alone in the Tennessee woods with his son this past spring, Mr. Dwyer watched him fire a .22 rifle a few times, and a 12-gauge shotgun. In the shattering of the stillness of the forest clearing, both sensed the import of the moment.

“I’m a quietly emotional person usually,” Mr. Dwyer said. “And so I didn’t burst into tears or anything, but inside that’s exactly what it was, mostly in the sense of me wanting him to realize this whole thing of forgiveness, to really feel the impact of the weight lifted, which I think he did.”

Mr. Dwyer’s feelings on guns today are complicated. He still firmly believes in “the right for people to defend themselves.” At the same time, he said: “It is also right to protect children from danger. Those are things you have to hold in tension.”

Under North Carolina law, his wife could have been charged for failing to keep the gun that killed their younger son stored safely. But she was not. Mr. Dwyer described her mistake as a momentary mental lapse, not blatant negligence. And he said that while he agreed with the law in principle, he also had sympathy for the objections to it.

“For defense at night,” he said, “I don’t think you should have to have a lock on it because you’re going to have to access it quickly.”

The deep hold that guns have on American culture also emerges in interviews with several other parents who lost children to firearms accidents.

In the summer of 2009, Joshua Skorczewski finally completed the gun safety classes he had been planning to attend a year before, the night he accidentally killed his sister in Minnesota. His parents thought that it would be good for him to be schooled on safety, that the training would be helpful, “so he would not be afraid of guns,” said his mother, Wendy Skorczewski.

Ms. Skorczewski had once planned to go through the classes too, but later decided against it. “I don’t want nothing to do with them anymore,” she said.

For two years after Joshua went through the training, the family’s rifles and shotguns remained locked away. Joshua and his father returned to bowhunting, but it was not until 2011 that they took out the shotguns again to hunt pheasants.

Ms. Skorczewski explained that in her part of the country, hunting is “in your blood.” She knew she could not ask her husband to get rid of his guns. He needs the escape that hunting provides, she said: “You got to have something to do in your life other than work.”


Tessa Underhill, whose son Tristan was killed last year in Georgia, has also struggled over where to draw the line. As a former corrections officer and Army veteran, she is no stranger to firearms. She used to enjoy going out shooting. Now she is finished with guns, refusing to allow them in her house.

“My child living is more important to me than somebody stealing my flat screen,” she said.

She knows, however, that her husband, whom she is in the process of divorcing, still has a rifle. Her other son, Matthew, now 6, is therefore still exposed to firearms. When asked if she would want Matthew to go shooting with his father one day or be a gun owner himself, she paused.

“That’s a hard question,” she said. “I know that’s something men do, that fathers and sons do.”

“You need to know how to use one,” she added. “Do I want him to have a gun case full of guns? If he keeps them unloaded and is safe about it.”

[baru911]

Dave seems to enjoy being in training evolutions with weapons. I don't know anyone who trains with weapons that doesn't own weapons. It kind of goes hand in hand. Firearms training is a perishable skill set.

Dave and an MP5 providing cover
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Dave and a Sig on the line and the line appears to be hot
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[baru911]

Dave in an evolution learning how to reach out and touch someone
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[Sensible Shoes]

Sesh could you have found a LONGER article?

[Nitro Express]

http://youtu.be/jLo7tHDHgOc

How much for the gun?

[jacksmar]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4HKjvSJSbQ


Another dead worthless POS.

[FORD]

http://upload.democraticunderground.com/imgs/2013/131111-intimidation-tactics-gun-nuts-protect-america-from-moms-eating-lunch.jpg

[jacksmar]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BYpr_L_CQAAdN3e.jpg

Sometimes you are seriously weird. Intimidation is in the eye of the beholder.

[FORD]

Somebody really needs to call Child Protective Services and get those poor kids away from those fucking lunatics. :(

[Nitro Express]

Somebody really needs to call Child Protective Services and get those poor kids away from those fucking lunatics. :(

Looks like mom has a Russian SKS. I had a parade model with a chromed bolt carrier and bayonet. Like a fool I sold it. Prices on the things shot up and parade models are very rare.

Then you have a Tapco fucked AK and probably a Romanian AK. Run of the mill and probably junk. Half of the people there need to go on a diet. Honestly. If you are going to fight UN troops or whoever they fear is coming to get them, you would think they would get in shape for it.

[jacksmar]

Somebody really needs to call Child Protective Services and get those poor kids away from those fucking lunatics. :(

Right, data. Set phasers to dumbass.

Meanwhile, uncle shotgun Joe says:

Robber wounded by shotgun in Independence
November 3
By KEVIN COLLISON
The Kansas City Star

An attempted home invasion by two men in Independence was thwarted Saturday night when one of the occupants wounded an attacker with a shotgun and the other fled, according to police.

Independence police said the home invasion occurred at about 9:30 p.m. in the 800 block of S. Park Avenue. Two men forced their way into the home and then physically assaulted the two male residents.

One victim retrieved his shotgun and shot one of his attackers in the abdomen. The wounded man was taken into custody at the scene by police and transported to a local hospital with life threatening injuries.

http://www.kansascity.com/2013/11/03/4595439/robber-wounded-by-shotgun-in-independence.html#storylink=cpy

[FORD]

http://editorialcartoonists.com/cartoons/HorseD/2013/HorseD20131112_low.jpg

[FORD]

http://memecrunch.com/meme/13I90/you-brought-guns-to-protest-a-luncheon-for-supporters-of-gun-control/image.png

[jacksmar]

http://reformedmusings.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/obama-doesnt-need-guns.jpg?w=500

The Kenyan Houseboy and his bitch having a casual stroll.

[jacksmar]

http://www.northwestgeorgianews.com/catwalkchatt/news/catoosa-county-teen-shot-killed-in-burglary-attempt/article_d27dde3e-4bad-11e3-9d7d-0019bb30f31a.html

The Catoosa County Sheriff’s Office is investigating the death of a teen shot and killed Monday afternoon, Nov. 11, following a burglary attempt in the Boynton area.

The death followed the homeowner opening fire on two suspected burglars, fatally wounding one with a bullet to his neck.

According to the Catoosa County Sheriff’s Office, the incident occurred in the 2500 block of Post Oak Road off Boynton Drive about 4 p.m., when a resident discovered the deceased and another teenage boy on his property attempting to break into the home.

Police say the resident fired his revolver when he spotted the pair in his back yard.

The two boys, age 16 and 17, ran from the scene and jumped into a vehicle, where an 18-year-old girl was waiting for them.

A short time latter, the trio were pulled over by deputies on Boynton Drive who discovered the 17-year-old had been shot, police say.

The boy was taken to Hutcheson hospital, where he later died from his wound.

[jacksmar]

http://www.kptv.com/story/23999393/woman-pulls-gun-on-milwaukie-neighborhood-intruder

Woman pulls gun on Milwaukie neighborhood intruder

MILWAUKIE, OR (KPTV) -

A woman pulled her gun on a suspected intruder who made his way through a Milwaukie neighborhood on Friday night.

Police said home surveillance video shows a man looking through windows of a house where a babysitter was inside caring for some kids who live there.

The babysitter said she told the man to leave. At that point, the suspect walked to a nearby apartment complex. That is when a woman said the suspect followed her up a set of stairs and into her apartment.

The woman asked the suspect what he wanted and he said, "Are you ready to meet God?"

At that point, the woman said she ran to her bedroom to get her gun, but the suspect left.

Police said they found the man hiding in the neighborhood. They took him to a Portland-area hospital for a mental health evaluation. Police said he faces charges of menacing and trespass

[jacksmar]

http://www.foxcarolina.com/story/23630259/deputies-elderly-woman-shoots-intruder-armed-with-baseball-bat


Deputies said an elderly woman shot an intruder who attacked another woman with a baseball bat in Pendleton on Monday afternoon.

Lt. Sheila Cole with the Anderson County Sheriff's Office said about 3 p.m. a man forced his way into a Mays Street home and attacked a woman inside the home.

The elderly homeowner then shot the man with a revolver, grazing his head, according to Cole.

Cole said both the intruder and the younger woman were taken to AnMed Health. She said the victim was treated and released Monday night while the suspect, identified as Richard Keese, 54, was released on Tuesday.

Keese is being held at the county jail facing charges of attempted murder and burglary, according to the Anderson County Detention Center's website.

[jacksmar]

http://www.king5.com/news/Home-owner-shoots-kills-intruder-in-Pierce-County-232508021.html

Home invasion victim: 'I thought we were dead'

BUCKLEY, Wash. — A Pierce County man says he was defending himself when he shot and killed a man who broke into his home late Monday night.

The incident took place around 11 p.m. in the 25000 block of 164th Street East on the outskirts of Buckley. Detectives believe the suspect broke through the front gate with his car, crashed into another car, and broke into the home of an elderly couple in their 60s.

The homeowner’s wife said she locked herself in her bedroom after the intruder forced his way into their home.

“I thought we were dead,” said the woman, who did not want her name published.

The man crashed through the front gate of their home. She said he smashed out the windows on their front door, barged inside and started beating her husband.

“He asked what he wanted,” said the woman, who described the man as having a “crazed” look.

“He never spoke,” she said.

The medical examiner identified the alleged intruder as 21-year-old Cole Mathews. He had no criminal record.

Relatives said Mathews would not have hurt anyone. They believe he got in a car crash and went to the home looking for help.

Detectives say the couple and the physical evidence suggest Mathews was violent and may have been on drugs. Investigators were awaiting toxicology reports to determine if Mathews was under the influence.

Meanwhile, the homeowner was taken to the hospital, where he was treated for minor injuries. His wife says he was at home recovering from the attack. She says he has survived two open heart surgeries and two back surgeries.

Detectives said the homeowner would not likely face any charges.

"We are so lucky we had a gun," his wife said. "I'll never feel safe in my home again."

[jacksmar]

Man Shot At Bi-Lo Parking Lot Taken Into Custody; Another Robber Was Killed By Hold-Up Victim - 12/09/2013 - Chattanoogan.com

http://www.chattanoogan.com/2013/12/9/265194/Man-Shot-At-Bi-Lo-Parking-Lot-Taken.aspx

http://www.chattanoogan.com/photos/2013/12/article.265194.jpg

Man Shot At Bi-Lo Parking Lot Taken Into Custody; Another Robber Was Killed By Hold-Up Victim
Monday, December 09, 2013

A man who was shot during an apparent robbery at the Highway 58 Bi-Lo parking lot on Wednesday has been taken into custody.

Galen Lawayne Allen Jr., 26. is charged with attempted first-degree murder, aggravated robbery, aggravated assault and tampering with evidence.

Police said he initially was in critical condition.

[Satan]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8tC2s0dYuI

[jacksmar]

http://www.toledonewsnow.com/story/24145027/west-toledo-homeowner-shoots-would-be-burglar

TOLEDO, OH (Toledo News Now) -

A west Toledo man is recovering after being shot during an attempted burglary overnight, but he will be charged for his involvement.

Police say Antione Garret, 34, and his girlfriend awoke to the sound of someone breaking into their home on Leybourn Avenue. When Garret heard the front window shatter, he ran downstairs and saw Randy Estrada, 21, climbing inside. Garret fired his handgun several times, until Estrada climbed back out the window and ran away.

A short time later, Estrada called 911 to report that he had been shot and was taken to a Toledo hospital for treatment. He is expected to survive his injuries.

"If someone's breaking into your house and you fear for your safety, you have the right to defend yourself and your family. And in this case, that's what we believe Mr. Garret has done," said Sgt. Joe Heffernan with the Toledo Police Department.

Police say Estrada will likely be charged once he is released from the hospital.

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Stay on topic Ford. There's a Sandy Hook thread with your name on it somewhere. This thread is about responsible gun ownership and protection.

[jacksmar]

http://www.khou.com/news/crime/1-dead-after-Churchs-manager-shoots-robbery-suspect-in-NW-Harris-County-235866101.html

HARRIS COUNTY – One suspect is dead after workers at a Church’s Chicken restaurant fought off an attempted robbery Friday night in northwest Harris County, deputies said.

According to the Harris County Sheriff’s Office, three gunmen in masks tried to hold up the restaurant located in the 12000 block of Veterans Memorial near South Camden Park around 8:30 p.m.

The suspects went inside the restaurant demanding money from employees, deputies said. Then two went outside to stand guard, while the third went behind the counter into the kitchen.

While the gunman was distracted, the restaurant manager grabbed a gun he kept hidden and shot the suspect still in the restaurant, deputies said.

Deputies said the other two suspects fled the scene. The wounded suspect died at the scene.

None of the employees or customers were injured during the robbery.

[ELVIS]

Good manager...

[jacksmar]

http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20140222/METRO01/302220048/


February 22, 2014 at 5:14 pm
Detroit homeowner kills 1 intruder, wounds another

Detroit — Two men who broke into a southwest Detroit house early Saturday morning encountered an armed homeowner who opened fire, killing one of the intruders and wounding the other.

The incident is the second this week involving a homeowner who used a firearm to fend off intruders

From The Detroit News: http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20140222/METRO01/302220048#ixzz2uziGLtBx

[Nitro Express]

When I was in 7th grade the hot topics were gun control, abortion, and nuclear power. It's 2014. Nothing has changed.

[FORD]

When I was in 7th grade the hot topics were gun control, abortion, and nuclear power. It's 2014. Nothing has changed.

Actually a lot has changed......

The nuclear plants are outdated and falling apart (see Fuck-You-Shima) and the gun nuts are now claiming the "right" to commit murder over somebody's choice of music or junk food. And some of them are even killing doctors in their own churches, while calling abortion "murder" (just to work your third topic in there).

So yeah, a lot has changed. And not for the better. :(

[Nitro Express]

Killing someone unless your life is threatened is murder. Nothing new with that. People have always murdered people over silly shit. What has changed is we never locked our front door in 1979. I never had a key. Never needed one. Now we lock the front door.

[jacksmar]

http://www.lex18.com/news/home-invasion-suspect-shot-by-homeowner

Home Invasion Suspect Shot By Homeowner

Lexington police are investigating a home invasion that ended badly for an attempted robber.

Police say two men tried to break in to a home in the 1700 block of Bryan Station Road.

Shortly after 8pm Friday, the homeowner told police two men kicked in his back door. Police say the man was armed with a gun and fired a couple of rounds to protect himself.

One of the men was shot in the leg and police found him lying in the driveway. The other man got away and police are still searching for him.

"The homeowner had apparently been the victim of crime before and so that's why he was always cautious and owned the fire arm and in tonight's situation he protected himself," said Lt. Eddie Hart with the Lexington Police Department.

"My wife and I have lived here since 1973 and we're going to protect our property so if they come on our property to do harm, we'll do harm back," said neighbor Jess Craig.

[jacksmar]

Homeowner’s friend shoots alleged intruder/robber, sends another fleeing

LAKE STEVENS — Police said two masked, armed men allegedly entered a garage of a home in the Lake Stevens area, confronted the homeowner and his friend there and allegedly attempted to rob them. But the friend was able to pull a gun out of his car and opened fire, hitting one of the suspects and prompting the other one to flee, police said.
snohomish

The Snohomish County Sheriff’s Office said the shooting took place at a home in the 7000 block of 126th Drive NE.

“It is believed that two men, the homeowner and a male acquaintance, were in the garage when two males entered with their faces covered and attempted to rob them at gunpoint,” the sheriff’s office said in a news release.

“The acquaintance of the homeowner, a 33 year-old male, allegedly pulled a gun out of his car and shot one of the robbery suspects. The other suspect fled. The homeowner called 911.

http://q13fox.com/2014/02/25/lake-stevens-homeowner-shoots-alleged-robber-other-flees/#ixzz2v2gObqv5

[Seshmeister]

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/03/26/1077930/-Statistics-Guns-and-Wishful-Thinking#

[ELVIS]

Is it the vodka or are you just that lazy naturally ??

[jacksmar]

http://www.waff.com/story/25431904/decatur-shooting-victim-flown-to-hospital

DECATUR, AL (WAFF) -

Charges are pending against a man who was shot twice in the chest during a home invasion in Decatur, according to police.

Investigators said the shooting happened at a residence on Hartung Street and 7th Avenue shortly before noon on Monday.

According to police, Gary Lynn McClimans II was attempting to make contact with his ex-wife when officers were called out to the scene and issued a verbal trespassing warning for him to leave.

Shortly after the warning, authorities said McClimans kicked in the front door and the homeowner, Jason Brown, fired two shots, hitting him in the chest.

[jacksmar]

http://abc11.com/news/home-invasion-suspect-arrested-in-vance-county/56504/

Home invasion suspect arrested in Vance County

VANCE COUNTY, N.C. (WTVD) --
A homeowner in Vance County opened fire on a man who kicked in his door Monday morning.

It happened about 9:45 a.m. as the homeowner, Jonathan Haith, was sleeping in his home in the 2200 block of Thomas Lane.

http://cdn.abclocal.go.com/content/wtvd/images/cms/58848_630x354.jpg

Authorities have arrested 23-year-old Gregory Johnson in connection with the home invasion.

"Somebody was you know knocking on the door at 9:15, 9:30 in the morning," said Haith. "I wanted to roll over and stay in the air conditioning, and I just ignored it."

When the door knocks lasting 15 minutes were followed by a boom and a thud, Haith grabbed his AR-15 semi-automatic from under his bed and slowly crept into the hallway.

"I peeked around the corner, saw a tall, slender black gentleman standing over me with a pistol," said Haith.

When Johnson allegedly fired at Haith with a 9mm and missed, he fired back. The bullet pierced the Johnson's stomach and shoulder.

"That was my round," said Haith. "Evidently, it went through his body and struck the wall."

Pandemonium followed, and Johnson scurried out. An apparent getaway vehicle spun out of Haith's yard to pick up Johnson, who had collapsed outside of a day care up the street.

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[Von Halen]

Yet Sesh, and many more, drink to excess frequently, and get behind the wheel of a 4000 pound weapon.

More people are killed by drunk drivers, than accidental shootings.

You gun haters are hypocrites. You just prefer different weapons to kill and maim people with.

[Seshmeister]

Keep me out of this I get taxis and trains.

[Von Halen]

Keep me out of this I get taxis and trains.

Ha ha!

Were you sober when you crashed that shitty Jaguar? :D

[Seshmeister]

Totally.

I hit 3 other cars and closed the main motorway between Scotland and England - it made the national traffic news.

The first thing the cops did was breathalyze me. :D

[Von Halen]

I bet I have pics!

[Von Halen]

Totally.



What was the occasion? :lmao:

Am I allowed to use that smilie?

[jacksmar]

http://www.arkansasmatters.com/story/d/story/lr-police-off-duty-officer-shoots-man-trying-to-ro/10545/J4Qk1v_zf0GHfBsLUcfAUw

LR Police: Off-Duty Officer Shoots Man Trying to Rob Him, Suspect Dies


LITTLE ROCK, AR - A man is dead after being shot while trying to rob an off-duty police officer.

That's according to the Little Rock Police Department, which says the incident late Sunday night happened in the parking lot of an apartment complex at 2300 Rebsamen Park Road.

Officers were called to the scene around 11:30.

The 50-year-old officer, whose name has not been released, told investigators he was loading a bike onto the back of his vehicle when the suspect put a gun to his head.

The officer said he turned around and hit the gunman in the face and the gunman then hit him in the mouth before the officer took his off-duty weapon from his pocket and fired at the suspect. The gunman then ran across the parking lot but then stopped to shoot back at the officer, hitting the back window of a parked vehicle.

The gunman then got inside a green Honda driven by another man. The vehicle was later found in the emergency room parking lot at St. Vincent.

Doctors told police the suspect, identified as Juvon Allen, 21, of Little Rock, had been shot three times in the chest area. He was pronounced dead at the hospital.

A 24-year-old man driving the vehicle was questioned by police but there's no word on charges filed against him. Police say he threw a weapon officers found under a truck in the hospital parking lot that was seized as evidence in the case.

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Saved the city $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.

This was a fatal mistake of victim selection.

[Seshmeister]

What was the occasion? :lmao:

Am I allowed to use that smilie?



It was mid afternoon.

I have nothing against the smiley it was just the way a couple of posters used it constantly as a 'I don't really care this is all beneath me' punctuation that was getting a bit old. :)

[ashstralia]

So... Another lonesome cowboy checks out and takes a few along for the ride...

:(

[vandeleur]

Are we talking about this spoilt little rich kid in california ??

[ashstralia]

That be the one!

[vandeleur]

horrible twat ... seen it on the news . Boo hoo girls dont like me

[Satan]

He thought he had it rough up there??

You should hear the little shit crying now!

[Nitro Express]

horrible twat ... seen it on the news . Boo hoo girls dont like me

Well yeah. Girls tend to not like people who shoot them. Clearly the kid had money. Hey his dad even worked in Hollywood. Give me a break. The dude could get laid. I think the main issue here is he was an asshole. Good riddins. Too bad he decided to take some people with him. Oh well. I'm sure there is nasty punishment for that on the other side. I certainly hope so.

[Nitro Express]

He thought he had it rough up there??

You should hear the little shit crying now!

I'm sure he's being anally raped by the Kraken right now.

[Nickdfresh]

Virgin, pussy killer shot victims with leagally purchased weapons despite documented mental illness...

[Kristy]

Virgin, pussy killer shot victims with leagally purchased weapons despite documented mental illness...

Nick, unless a person has been adjudicated to be in unlawful possession of a firearm, one can be committed numerous times and have every legal right to buy them. How else would the NRA continue to flourish? Your Wiki skills are lacking.

[Nickdfresh]

Nick, unless a person has been adjudicated to be in unlawful possession of a firearm, one can be committed numerous times and have every legal right to buy them. How else would the NRA continue to flourish? Your Wiki skills are lacking.

Oh, not so fast! I really didn't need Wiki to tell me that since at least two of all of the recent last major mass murders were carried out but fucking insane people with lawfully purchased firearms...

[Kristy]

Yeah Nick...I'm not arguing that. Again, unless they have been adjudicated they can have all the (legal) firearms they want.

[jacksmar]

Meanwhile........... back on topic...

http://www.wsoctv.com/news/news/local/one-shot-attempted-robbery-gone-wrong-sunday/nf7Dw/?nmredir=true

CHARLOTTE —

According to the Charlotte-Mecklenburg Police Department, a shooting Sunday afternoon off of South Boulevard was an attempted robbery gone wrong.

Police said the robbery and shooting happened inside of a Wholesale Mattress warehouse store at the 7100 block of South Boulevard.

Eyewitness News reporter Tina Terry spoke with the mattress store owner’s wife, who said her husband was inside when the attempted robbery happened.

She said two young men walked inside pretending to want a mattress. She also said one of the men walked up to her husband, put a gun in his face, and demanded his cellphone and any money in the store. The man threatened to kill her husband if he did not comply.

Her husband turned around pretending to get money, and at that point he pulled out a gun and shot one of the suspects. The suspect fired back at him, but did not hit him.

Channel 9 went inside the store and could see bullets from the shootout in the walls. The owner’s wife is grateful her husband was not shot.

[Kristy]

Meanwhile........... back on topic...

Please go and fuck yourself.

[jacksmar]

http://www.fox5vegas.com/story/25528804/police-donut-shop-owner-opens-fire-on-would-be-robber

LAS VEGAS (FOX5) -

A would-be robber ran off from a donut shop with a bullet wound after the business' owner pulled out his own gun, police said.

Las Vegas Metro police said the attempted holdup happened about 11:30 p.m. Wednesday at the Donut Hut, located in the 3200 block of East Desert Inn Road.

According to police, an unarmed man tried to rob the business and demanded money from two customers. The shop's owner, Sothy Seang, had his girlfriend retrieve a gun they keep at the business.

Police said a struggle ensued over the gun, and the man, identified as Alfonso Montellano, 32, of Corona, CA, was shot in the abdomen.

Police later learned Montellano drove himself to University Medical Center for treatment. He is facing charges of robbery and burglary. He has been booked into Clark County Detention Center.

http://kvvu.images.worldnow.com/images/25528804_BG2.jpg

[FORD]

Ironic that a guy robbing a donut shop would get shot by somebody who was NOT a cop.

They must have all been out trying to make their monthly ticket quotas......

[Nitro Express]

Cops nowadays are either fat slobs or really in shape. There's the ones you see on the mountain bikes in the summer. They all look to be fit. Then there's the ones who's body armor size has to be XXXXX Large. You could make a small tent out of the kevlar needed.

[SunisinuS]

Meanwhile........... back on topic...

http://www.wsoctv.com/news/news/local/one-shot-attempted-robbery-gone-wrong-sunday/nf7Dw/?nmredir=true

CHARLOTTE —

According to the Charlotte-Mecklenburg Police Department, a shooting Sunday afternoon off of South Boulevard was an attempted robbery gone wrong.

Police said the robbery and shooting happened inside of a Wholesale Mattress warehouse store at the 7100 block of South Boulevard.

Eyewitness News reporter Tina Terry spoke with the mattress store owner’s wife, who said her husband was inside when the attempted robbery happened.

She said two young men walked inside pretending to want a mattress. She also said one of the men walked up to her husband, put a gun in his face, and demanded his cellphone and any money in the store. The man threatened to kill her husband if he did not comply.

Her husband turned around pretending to get money, and at that point he pulled out a gun and shot one of the suspects. The suspect fired back at him, but did not hit him.

Channel 9 went inside the store and could see bullets from the shootout in the walls. The owner’s wife is grateful her husband was not shot.


Back on Topic:

http://news.yahoo.com/stealth-jump-jet-t-094241674--politics.html

Our New Stealth Jet Can’t Land.

[ashstralia]

Is that cops and donuts really a thing? Being a bit more cultured, it's Earl Grey and blueberry muffins here. :yo:

[DLR Bridge]

Cops nowadays are either fat slobs or really in shape. There's the ones you see on the mountain bikes in the summer. They all look to be fit. Then there's the ones who's body armor size has to be XXXXX Large. You could make a small tent out of the kevlar needed.

So true. I posted a picture of a big boy NJ Transit cop here last year. I guess you don't need to be able to pass a physical if you're armed to the teeth. If that is the case, that's just silly.

[DONNIEP]

Didn't this spoiled Hollywood brat also stab his roommates to death? I didn't see the dad crying about how the knife industry was to blame for his son's death...

[Nitro Express]

Looking at this kid my conclusion is he was evil. There are people who have had horrid childhoods who are good members of society. Look at those women who were kept captive in Ohio. Are they shooting up society because it ignored them and wronged them? As far as I can see they are getting on with life in productive ways.

Murder is murder and we excuse the perpetrators with all sorts of excuses. This guy wasn't nuts. He had a well thought out plan. He was going to do it during a celebration but there were too many cops with guns. He was afraid he would be gunned down before he did enough damage. Makes you think if the guy would have done what he did in Utah or Idaho where students can carry firearms on campus. Ever heard of a mass campus shooting in those states?

This guy wanted a gun free zone to do the most carnage as possible. Well everyone is packing in Israel because nut cases abound. It's the nuttiest place on earth and the citizens are armed to the teeth. It keeps the carnage count down. It's not perfect but the place would be a bloodbath with no armed citizens.

[Nitro Express]

So true. I posted a picture of a big boy NJ Transit cop here last year. I guess you don't need to be able to pass a physical if you're armed to the teeth. If that is the case, that's just silly.

How can you reach your pistol or tazer when they are covered in folds of fat? Oh I guess the body armor kind of retains the Jabba sludge and makes the size 85 utility belt accessible.

I was amazed to find how little cops get paid. I was visiting someone in intensive care and the nurse used to be a street cop. He gave it up because it was dangerous and didn't pay very well. Being a nurse in a hospital paid more. From what I could see the guy was an excellent nurse. He didn't taze the patients for being crotchety. LOL!

I try to give cops a break. It can be a shitty job and they don't get paid much for being in danger and putting up with a lot of shit. I know there are some corrupt ones and maybe the powers that be are putting people in the position of being a police officer that shouldn't be.

For all the money we waste on stupid shit I wouldn't object to paying the police better and making sure they qualify for the pay. You get better people that way.

[DLR Bridge]

For all the money we waste on stupid shit I wouldn't object to paying the police better and making sure they qualify for the pay. You get better people that way.

Agreed. Teachers, too. Tenure = I don't have to give that much of a shit anymore. That set up has to go.

[DONNIEP]

This guy wanted a gun free zone to do the most carnage as possible.

http://s29.postimg.org/knrkwbf07/gun_zone_sign1.jpg

[Kristy]

Lame. Donnie LAME!

That is more lame then these god damn Zeppelin reissues. And we all know how fucking lame those are.

Congrats. You outdid yourself.

[DONNIEP]

Lame. Donnie LAME!

That is more lame then these god damn Zeppelin reissues. And we all know how fucking lame those are.

Congrats. You outdid yourself.

Ah, I was feeling lazy today.

[Kristy]

Well, I'm high.


What society really needs is a Jimmy Page Free Zone.


Regardless of political affiliation we'd all be better off.

[vandeleur]

http://s29.postimg.org/knrkwbf07/gun_zone_sign1.jpg

That's such bullshit , most of you gun totting yanks would shit in a real combat situation ....

Signed .... The uk paintball association.

:D

[DONNIEP]

That's such bullshit , most of you gun totting yanks would shit in a real combat situation ....

Signed .... The uk paintball association.

:D

They let you guys have paintball guns over there?? Or are you limited to slingshots? :biggrin:

[vandeleur]

We throw the little balls at each other ... Do you think were crazy

[DONNIEP]

We throw the little balls at each other ... Do you think were crazy

Come to America, Vandy. I'll take you to Kristy's favorite store - Walmart. There you can buy all the paintball guns you want and even a real, black, scary rifle. You know, souvenir for the bairn.

[Kristy]

Yeah, Wal-Snot - Donnie's and Von's favorite hangout.

[Nitro Express]

Well, I'm high.


What society really needs is a Jimmy Page Free Zone.


Regardless of political affiliation we'd all be better off.

I saw Jimmy today during breakfast. He was on the Quaker Oats oatmeal box.

[Nitro Express]

That's such bullshit , most of you gun totting yanks would shit in a real combat situation ....

Signed .... The uk paintball association.

:D

They didn't have paint ball guns when I was a kid. We had Daisy and Crossman BB guns. So you grabbed your dad's safety goggles out of the shop or garage. Put on all the padding you could find (we got creative). Then you went out and shot each other with BB's. The grenades were dirt clods. I think anyone who says they aren't scared in a real combat situation is a liar.

[Nitro Express]

Disrespectful brats. Yelling didn't scare them enough. He should have given them the cold steel!



I wonder if the Queen's Guard ever fired on anyone? Lot's of problems with people on the fence. This is more like it. I will put a cap in yo ass for being on the fence!

[DONNIEP]

They didn't have paint ball guns when I was a kid. We had Daisy and Crossman BB guns.

Ridiculous. Everybody knows you can't give kids BB guns 'cause it would turn em all into psychopathic spree killers.

Besides, who needs a gun? Cell phones and fists are where it's at!

[FORD]

I saw Jimmy today during breakfast. He was on the Quaker Oats oatmeal box.

Did he replace Barbara Bush?

[jacksmar]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cONSuFt9WiQ

[jacksmar]

http://www.fresnobee.com/2014/05/27/3946601/sheriff-one-home-robber-killed.html?sp=/99/406/

1 home invader dead, 1 wounded in gunfight with Orosi resident

A violent gun battle inside a rural home near Orosi early Tuesday ended with a robbery victim shot multiple times, one suspect dead and a second seriously wounded, the Tulare County Sheriff's Office said.

The exchange of gunfire took place at what appears to be a recently constructed home near a stand of olive trees in the 42400 block of Road 140.

Deputies say four siblings -- ages 22, 18, 11 and 8 -- were in the home just before 6 a.m. when the 22-year-old man heard the sound of someone breaking through a door, then saw a least two people in his home. The man got a handgun out of a safe and confronted the suspects. Deputies say the man and at least one intruder exchanged fire.

The man was hit by multiple rounds, as were two intruders. One suspect died at the scene as the second suspect tried unsuccessfully to pull the first to a getaway vehicle.

The second suspect was driven in a van by two other suspects to Keweah Delta Medical Center. A security camera at the hospital captured the arrival. The sheriff's office did not provide the suspects' gender.

The van was described as a gray 1990 Chevrolet Astrovan with license number 7CHR190. Anyone with information about the van or the suspects is asked to call (800) 808-0488

[Nitro Express]

Did he replace Barbara Bush?

Jimmy did Barbara Bush in a satanic OTO ceremony.

[Nitro Express]

Ridiculous. Everybody knows you can't give kids BB guns 'cause it would turn em all into psychopathic spree killers.

Besides, who needs a gun? Cell phones and fists are where it's at!



Cell phones and guns are for wimps. Real cops just need their fists.

[FORD]

Jimmy did Barbara Bush in a satanic OTO ceremony.

Well, she is Aleister Crowley's daughter. And Jimmy's a big fan of his work, so yeah, I could see that.

But wouldn't want to actually SEE it.... :puke:

[ashstralia]

Fly spray...1179711797

[DrMaddVibe]

Drop the gun...take the cannolis!

[Nitro Express]

"If you do society a favor by killing some scumbag and get caught you go to prison. If you kill some innocent person who did the world no harm in a war, the government decorates you and calls you a hero. Your destiny is all based on who you kill for. Governments murder more innocent people by far than the mob ever did." --Sammy "The Bull" Gravano.

[Kristy]

The Asscrackasmr wet dream:

[Nitro Express]

Always have a well stocked bar at your gun range.

[jacksmar]

http://www.cbs46.com/story/25635506/homeowner-shoots-and-kills-intruder

ATLANTA (CBS46) -

A homeowner found someone breaking into his home and he shot and killed him, according to police.

Cobb County police say they were called to a home on the 1800 block of Dorsey Road in Marietta at about 11 p.m. Tuesday. When they got there, the homeowner told officers he'd just shot a man who broke into his home.

Police have identified the deceased man as 30-year-old Michael Verucci of Marietta.

The homeowner also told investigators he saw another suspect leave the scene in a car.

Police say they do not plan to press charges against the homeowner.

[jacksmar]

http://www.turnto23.com/news/local-news/no-charges-will-be-filed-against-homeowner-who-shot-killed-intruder-052814

No charges will be filed against homeowner who shot, killed intruder



BAKERSFIELD - A home owner will not face charges after police say the home owner shot and killed a man trying to enter his home.

On March 24, Shawn Christian Ibarra, 35, armed himself with a breaker bar and was trying to force his way into a residence at 4100 block of Christmas Tree Lane. He kicked in the front door and was shot by another man in the house. Ibarra died as a result of his injuries.

The BPD said that Ibarra was on Post Release Community Supervision, commonly known as AB109.

The District Attorney's office said they will not press charges against the homeowner.

[jacksmar]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/04/08/mitchell-large-home-intruder-shot-dead_n_5110116.html

Police say members of a Winter Haven, Fla., family acted in self defense when they shot and killed a home intruder early Monday.

Mitchell Large, 40, allegedly entered the family's home through the back door at about 7 a.m. He ignored a warning shot fired at the door, Police Chief Gary Hester told Fox Tampa Bay.

Police said family members armed themselves. More than one shot was fired at the intruder as he made his way into the kitchen. The homeowner's 20-year-old daughter was also at home at the time, but not involved in the shooting.

Large appears to have been unarmed, but Hester said the family was within their rights.

"It's not a very far reach to assume that if someone's forcing their way into your residence early in the morning, they're not there to wish you well," Hester told Fox Tampa Bay. "When he failed to retreat, they certainly... would have a right to defend themselves."

The Orlando Sentinel reports that homeowner Luis Pena fired the shot that killed Large. The suspect was dead inside the home when police arrived. It's unclear if other family members fired their weapons. An autopsy is being conducted by the medical examiner's office.


http://i1.huffpost.com/gen/1724851/thumbs/n-MITCHELL-LARGE-large.jpg

[jacksmar]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1efk6Wu08o#t=18

[jacksmar]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGnqbeNkAH4#t=27

[jacksmar]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mne2od2bZ6Q

[jacksmar]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DesrbI0aOrc

[Kristy]

The Small Penis Patrol harasses

[FORD]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0TE7kLc7WGg

[Kristy]

Where's his lesbian wife?

[FORD]

http://images.dailykos.com/images/86611/large/TMW2014-06-04color.png

[jacksmar]

http://www.wsbtv.com/news/news/local/woman-shoots-would-be-home-intruders/nf9kS/

EAST POINT, Ga. —

A woman shot an intruder when he tried to force his way into her apartment early Thursday morning.

Police say at least three people approached the victim's door at the Laurel Ridge apartment complex just after midnight.

According to the police report, the renter responded to a knock at the door and the suspects told her they were with the East Point Police Department.

She cracked the door to take a look outside and that's when police say the three tried to push their way inside.

The resident, however, was ready with a handgun.

She spoke briefly with Channel 2's Carl Willis, telling him she's still shaken up and didn't want to be identified.

"It could be retaliation," she explained.

Police say one of the suspects raised a handgun, but the woman fired first.

"I heard three gunshots," said neighbor Ramona Ferrell. "I knew it was gunshots. It was very close."

A juvenile suspect was grazed on the head and the backside. He ran, but police caught up to him quickly.

"I just hope the boy is OK," said the resident.

The two other men got away.

Neighbors say there has been a rash of break-ins recently. They said days earlier someone tried to break into an apartment in the same building where the shooting happened.

"I think it's ridiculous," said Ferrell. “Something should be done. There's a lot going on in this apartment complex."

Neighbors say they are glad that the victim didn't back down and wasn't hurt, but they say the crime has to stop.

"I'm glad she did have something," said Ferrell. "It's sad that you have to walk around as a female with a gun to protect yourself."

[DONNIEP]

http://images.dailykos.com/images/86611/large/TMW2014-06-04color.png

Is there one of these cartoons making fun of this kid stabbing his roommates to death? Because that would be really funny.

[SunisinuS]

Those that live by the sword die by the sword.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/egyptian-satirist-bassem-youssef-ends-show-151656203.html

[Nitro Express]

We will talk more about this shit after a word from our sponsor.

[Nitro Express]

Would you use red or white wine?

[ashstralia]

MoSCATo... :)

[Nitro Express]

You know they bought them at Walmart.

[SunisinuS]

:579:


You know they bought them at Walmart.

Lol I love this....might as well call them Pistorious (sp) follies. Back in the day...my friend Matt and I would pick times to be warriors...and he would invariable pick the wild west (guns) and I would pick medieval as I know how to fight....I would always truthfully enact the fact that you can be a grandmother in a fucking wheelchair with a gun...while real people fight up close. Fucking pussys always want a gun...as they were too slow...not smart enough in their traps....not moral enough...to fight up close. Ted Nugent would not stand a chance in cage match with me...or with grandma with a gun. So Tough Guys....rely upon your granny guns....as you got nothing in the real world. Guns and Pussys always go together.*

Please steer clear of real fights, gun nuts. We would not want your clits to become uncocked.

Chicken Hawks never want to land.





*Que Dr. Love.

[ashstralia]

Great post, Sunni.

But you have inadvertently broken Internet law 38c section (vii);

"Thou shalt not challenge Ted Nugent, nor any other disabled granny, to a fair fistfight."

:biggrin:

[jacksmar]

http://www.doverpost.com/article/20140530/News/140539982#ixzz33cKAe300

Cheswold resident shoots at burglary suspects
Cheswold Police are investigating a home invasion attempt that ended with shots being fired at two burglary suspects.


Cheswold Police are investigating a home invasion attempt that ended with shots being fired at two burglary suspects.

Officers were called to the home on Barnsley Court, Parkers Run, at 2:59 a.m. May 30, said Chief of Police Christopher Workman.

A witness, the son of the homeowner, told police he heard a noise on the first floor and went to investigate. Upon opening the door to his bedroom, which is located at the top of the stairs, the son saw two men standing at the bottom of the steps. The son fired shots at the burglars, who fled.

The suspects only were described as two black men, dressed in black clothing. The police investigation indicated they had entered the home through a rear window.

[SunisinuS]

Great post, Sunni.

But you have inadvertently broken Internet law 38c section (vii);



:biggrin:

I have not. Internet law 38c section (vii) specifically references E-Peen. Guns were lobbied to be exempt via NRA payment #82 stroke B.....wait that was for E-peen....NRA payment #82 stroke G. E-Peens only lead to more guns! Right Elvis?*

:elvis:

[Nitro Express]

Ah Ted is just a guy who spent too much time in the woods. He would be wearing that damn loin cloth if it wasn't cold with snow all over the damn place.

[SunisinuS]

Ah Ted is just a guy who spent too much time in the woods. He would be wearing that damn loin cloth if it wasn't cold with snow all over the damn place.


He has all of the magic and none of the tragic: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=66tbBU35I3o&feature=player_embedded *

[ashstralia]

My apologies; my Internet rule book is out of date. :)

[Nitro Express]

Yeah. Yup. Blah, blah, blah. Rock and Roll is evil.



Until the statutory rapist and draft dodging rock star shares my political views. God loves love grenades and sweet poontang.

[Nitro Express]

Hey fat minister...



Back woods Ted wants to give you a Scream Ream. Squeal like a pig fatso. Come on! Squeal!

[ELVIS]

PHILADELPHIA (CBS) (http://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2014/06/04/cops-home-invasion-suspect-shot-by-resident-in-west-philly/) — The 3700 block of Brandywine Street is back to normal this evening after a chaotic morning.

A suspected burglar got a whole lot more than he bargained for when police say he broke into a row house in Mantua.

Police have confirmed the identity of that suspect as the son of convicted abortion doctor Kermit Gosnell.

Three roommates living on Brandywine street in Mantua found themselves cleaning up today after a wild encounter with a man police say wanted to rob them.

A neighbor, Joe Samuel, says “I heard three or four shots.”

Amanda Nguyen adds, “Looked out my window and there was a guy on the ground, bleeding out.”

Police say it started around 7 a.m.

They say 22-year-old Barron Alexander broke into a back, bathroom window.

While taking items, including wallets and cash, police say he woke up one of the three roommates.

The pair then began to struggle.

Captain John Przepiorka of Southwest Detectives says, “The resident screamed for help, a second male, a second resident from that property came to assist him, he did have a firearm.”

Police say Alexander was shot at least twice inside the home. Neighbors then found him on the street bleeding.


:elvis:

[Seshmeister]

I was going to call you out on the 'convicted abortion doctor' line but then noticed it was in Philadelphia which I think isn't one of the crazy states.

Looking it up the guy was a fucking nightmare http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kermit_Gosnell

Another byproduct of your crazy healthcare system.

[jacksmar]

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/04/01/philadelphia-homeowner-shoots-kills-intruder-during-home-invasion/

Philadelphia homeowner shoots, kills intruder during home invasion

A Philadelphia man shot and killed an intruder who broke into his home while he and his two young children were sleeping early Sunday, police say.

MyFoxPhilly.com reports 63-year-old Lee Heng told officers he felt he had no choice but to fire at two men who he says broke into his home through a second story bathroom window.

One suspect died but the second escaped. Surveillance footage shows the second suspect, who police say is a man in his 30s with a medium build, fleeing the scene.

Heng is not expected to face charges in the case due to Pennsylvania's Castle Doctrine, which permits people to defend their property.

[FORD]

https://31.media.tumblr.com/cb8f64ff07e1f4d1e1ac4db2e226d6e2/tumblr_n6pp1l1Oje1qzsnxyo1_500.jpg

[DONNIEP]

Maybe you should check them both for knives...

[jacksmar]

http://www.tylerpaper.com/TP-News+Local/200911/burglar-shot-in-home-invasion-after-scuffle-with-owner-2-flee#.U5RH-nYZReF

Burglar shot in home invasion after scuffle with owner; 2 flee

A man who broke into a Smith County home Friday was recovering from at least one gunshot to his backside after homeowners opened fire as the burglar and his accomplices tried to flee, Sheriff Larry Smith said.

The man underwent surgery, and two other burglars were being sought in the home invasion, he said. No charges were expected against the homeowners.

“That will ultimately be a decision for the Smith County District Attorney’s Office and a grand jury, but at this time I do not see this office pursuing any charges against the homeowners,” Smith said. “We are actively searching for the other two suspects in this case, and we think we might have one identified.”

Smith said his office received a 911 call about 5 a.m. Friday of a white male shot near the 14000 block of U.S. Highway 271 North.

Deputies arrived to find the man gone. It is believed the man and two black males went to the home to burglarize it about 4 a.m., Smith said.

“The home owners, a husband and wife, were awakened … due to their dogs barking,” he said. “Upon further investigation by the male homeowner, he observed the individuals outside of his garage. He then woke his wife up, and both retrieved firearms and returned to near the garage where the individuals were located. A scuffle ensued once the male homeowner asked all of the individuals for their identification and told him he was calling the police.”

Smith said that after the homeowner and the white male wrestled, the burglar tried to flee, and the homeowners opened fire.

“The alleged burglar was struck in the buttocks area, most likely with a large-caliber handgun,” he said.

[Kristy]

“The alleged burglar was struck in the buttocks area, most likely with a large-caliber handgun,” he said.

Wow. Gay. Just like you, Asscrack.

[Seshmeister]

.....

[vandeleur]

:biggrin:

[Kristy]

The asscrackasmr mentality:

[VAiN]

More like guntfight..

[jacksmar]

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/news/crime-law/89-year-old-lake-park-jeweler-stands-grounds-shoot/ng8cx/


Arthur M. Lewis may be elderly, but criminals are learning the North Palm Beach man is no easy mark.
The 89-year-old decorated World War II veteran foiled an armed robbery attempt Saturday afternoon at his Lake Park jewelry business that left a 44-year-old suspect with six gunshot wounds, but no loot.


Jervis will be arrested and taken to the Palm Beach County Jail once he recovers and is expected to face charges of armed robbery to a business, felon in possession of a firearm, aggravated battery with a deadly weapon, and armed burglary.
Court records show that Jervis has been arrested 20 times in Miami-Dade and Broward counties since 1989.

[ELVIS]

Now he's qualified to be a rapper...

[jacksmar]

http://denver.cbslocal.com/2014/08/26/police-announce-arrest-in-burglary-case-where-homeowner-fired-shots/

DENVER (CBS4) – Police in Denver on Tuesday announced the arrest of an 18-year-old male in connection with a burglary and car theft case.

Marquies Jackson is suspected of being one of the two suspects who tried to break into a woman’s house in the 7700 block of East Exposition Avenue on Monday.

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Well I don’t know which asshole remove the pic from the last post but again here’s an article were a citizen has a perfect right to fire on the career criminal, with no picture. hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm................

Can anybody guess this poor, downtrodden, underprivileged, impecunious, suspects race?

Aside from the obvious Fi - TEE cent connection, what are the odds this is another Mormon or Amish bloodline suspect that just lost his way?

He sounds like a Frenchman that overstayed his H1B visa.

[Nickdfresh]

A 9 year old girl killed her idiot "instructor" and further proved Darwinism by putting a fully auto Uzi submachinegun in her hands....

[jacksmar]

A 9 year old girl killed her idiot "instructor" and further proved Darwinism by putting a fully auto Uzi submachinegun in her hands....

Nick, how many things are wrong with the fact that you had even state that. I’m getting old because I can't remember if it was a nine year old boy in Massachusetts that did the same thing a couple of years back.

Would you let your nine year old son shoot full automatic? No. Would you let your nine year old daughter should full automatic? No.

I wouldn’t let a 48 year old man should full automatic, anything if he’s never fired a weapon before. Muzzles walk. And if you don’t know what that means, don’t ever fire a fully automatic weapon.

The nine year old girl is from New Jersey. You have to be 16 operate a lawn mower in the state of New Jersey.

Put it this way: Ace Frehely shot himself with one of these.

[Nickdfresh]

Nick, how many things are wrong with the fact that you had even state that. I’m getting old because I can't remember if it was a nine year old boy in Massachusetts that did the same thing a couple of years back.

Would you let your nine year old son shoot full automatic? No. Would you let your nine year old daughter should full automatic? No.

I wouldn’t let a 48 year old man should full automatic, anything if he’s never fired a weapon before. Muzzles walk. And if you don’t know what that means, don’t ever fire a fully automatic weapon.

The nine year old girl is from New Jersey. You have to be 16 operate a lawn mower in the state of New Jersey.

Put it this way: Ace Frehely shot himself with one of these.

Okay you actually made a sensible post :)

When they trained us to fire full auto on the old A1's in the Army, we had to lie down and fix a bi-pod to the front of the barrel and the main lesson of the exercise was how inaccurate weapons fired on full auto are and how difficult it is to control even small caliber rifles...

[jacksmar]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/11/22/adric-white-robbery_n_4323080.html

Family Of Adric White, Robbery Suspect, Outraged At Good Samaritan Who Shot Him

The family members of a robbery suspect that held a store employee at gunpoint in Alabama are lashing out at the Good Samaritan who shot him and stopped the robbery.

Adric White, 18, was shot five times after he allegedly tried to hold up a Family Dollar store in Mobile on Nov. 12.

http://i1.huffpost.com/gen/1477442/thumbs/n-ADRICWHITE-large.jpg

FOX10 spoke exclusively to both the unnamed Good Samaritan and the family members of White. They're livid that their son was shot while pointing a gun in someone's face.

“If [the customer's] life was not in danger, if no one had a gun up to him, if no one pointed a gun at him - what gives him the right to think that it's okay to just shoot someone?” a relative, who wished to remain anonymous, told FOX10. “You should have just left the store and went wherever you had to go in your car or whatever.”

But when the suspect pulled out a gun at about 5:30 p.m., the Good Samaritan did too.

“He had the gun to his head. He had him on his knees,” said the Good Samaritan, who wished to remain anonymous. “I drew my gun on him and I said 'Hey don't move.' At that point he swung around and before he had a chance to aim the gun at me I fired. I didn’t want to shoot him.”

The man shot White five times. He was taken to USA Medical Center, where he remains in police custody.

The local news station had previously interviewed White's parents, but they called later demanding that the video not be aired.

White was out of jail on bond after previously robbing The Original Oyster House at gunpoint just a little over a month before he robbed the Family Dollar.

Accomplice Tavoris Moss, 19, was also arrested in the Family Dollar robbery.

“[Criminals] tend to think that they are the only ones with guns," the Good Samaritan told the station. "I’ve been legally carrying my firearm for a little over four years now, and thank God I’ve never had to use it until, of course, last night. It just goes to show it's good to have a concealed carry. You never know when your going to need it.”

Police said that the Good Samaritan who opened fire was justified and broke no laws.

[Von Halen]

5 times and he didn't die? If I shoot someone 5 times with my .45, they better fucking die!

This THUG CRIMINALS family can fuck off. A guy was just convicted here in Michigan, where he robbed a dollar store and murdered a young male employee and a young female employee in the process.

http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/man-found-guilty-in-family-dollar-store-employee-deaths/29901430

Man found guilty in Family Dollar store employee deaths
Published On: Nov 24 2014 11:33:36 AM EST
Updated On: Nov 24 2014 05:19:51 PM EST
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Joe Orlando and Brenna Kathleen Machus
DEARBORN, Mich. -
A man has been convicted of murder in the killings of two Dearborn Family Dollar store employees.

A jury on Monday returned their decision against Lavere Bryant, who had been on trial for the July 2013 deaths of Brenna Machus and Joseph Orlando.

A convicted sex offender, Bryant was also charged with two counts of first-degree murder and two counts of felony murder as well as armed robbery, unlawful imprisonment, felon in possession of a firearm and felony firearm charges. He sentencing is set for Dec. 11.

Orlando was found shot to death in the store. Machus’ body was found in a wooded area less than 2 miles away.

Bryant has a criminal history that involves second-degree criminal sexual conduct and assault charges.

When Orlando and Machus were killed, Bryant still was listed on the sex offender registry as being in prison.

Lavere Bryant in court Nov 11

[Von Halen]

It's too bad somebody didn't have a CPL on this train last night.

It's a shame the cops tased him, instead of killing him. In my opinion, he refused his right to a trial, the minute he started stabbing people.

http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/man-found-guilty-in-family-dollar-store-employee-deaths/29901430

[jacksmar]

http://www.wsoctv.com/news/news/national/police-sources-suspect-dead-another-loose-after-re/njTg2/

14-year-old reportedly shoots, kills intruder to protect sick grandmother

CHARLOTTE, N.C. —

Police in Charlotte, North Carolina, said the second man involved in a home break-in that turned deadly near the Charlotte/Mint Hill border has been arrested. Another suspected intruder was killed when a 14-year-old inside the house shot and killed him Tuesday night, police said.

The two intruders, who police identified as 18-year-old Isai Delcid and his 22-year-old brother Carlos Delcid, attempted to break into the home on Rolling Fields Lane just after 5 p.m., according to investigators. Isai was shot and died at the scene while police said Carlos fled.

Officers arrested Carlos late Tuesday night and charged him with first-degree burglary.

Police said a grandmother was at the home with her grandson at the time. According to officers, the grandson shot and killed Isai.

The grandfather, George Wyant, said his 14-year-old grandson shot the intruder.

"It’s not something you can be proud of. But, I’m happy the way it turned out. Because my wife is getting over an illness," Wyant said.

Wyant said he heard about the break-in and shooting from a neighbor, and many neighbors are shocked.

Wyant told WSOC-TV that the suspects parked their car in the driveway, walked up the steps to his back porch and tried to get into his house through a back window. That's when he said his grandson came to the window and told them to stop.

The call came in at 5:14 p.m. The intruder was pronounced dead at the scene.

[jacksmar]

http://www.miaminewtimes.com/news/assault-rifle-wielding-cabbie-shoots-police-officer-and-witness-steals-cop-car-7570634

Assault Rifle-Wielding Cabbie Shoots Police Officer and Witness, Steals Cop Car

Three people are recovering from being shot after a routine traffic stop turned into a bizarre cop-car hijacking and police chase this morning. The incident started around 9 a.m. when a Miami police officer stopped a cab driver for speeding near NE 79th Street and Fourth Avenue. During the stop, the cab driver got out of the car with an assault rifle and began shooting according to NBC Miami.

"The offender attempted to murder our law enforcement brother," reads a statement from Fraternal Order of the Police president Javier Ortiz. "Our officer returned fire and a good samaritan provided cover and rescued him while the offender continued to shoot at him with an assault rifle."

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So...................

a simple CCW saved a police officer......................

[jacksmar]

http://www.yakimaherald.com/news/yhr/tuesday/3081355-8/assault-victim-with-concealed-weapon-stops-bat-wielding-attacker

Assault victim with concealed weapon stops bat-wielding attacker at east Yakima Wal-Mart

Wal-Mart was the victim of an unprovoked assault when a stranger picked up a metal tee-ball bat and struck him, according to Yakima police.

The victim was not injured, but he did have a concealed weapons permit, which he immediately put to use, police said.

A store security officer reported hearing a man in the sporting goods department yelling “Get on the ground!” and found one man pointing a pistol at another, who was lying on the floor.

Police arrived a short time later and arrested the 30-year-old suspect, who remains in Yakima County jail in lieu of $30,000 bail set Monday.

The incident took place about 11:20 a.m. Saturday at the east Yakima Wal-Mart.

The victim told police he did not know the suspect, nor had the two exchanged any words before he was hit by the bat, according to an affidavit filed by police.

A video from the store’s security system shows the victim shopping with at least three children. According to the affidavit, the video shows some of the children move out of view as a man is seen coming over, picking up a metal tee-ball bat from a rack and striking the other man in the shoulder with it.

The victim, who police said has had a concealed pistol license since March 2013, then pulled a .357 Sig Sauer pistol from a holster and pointed it at the suspect, the affidavit said.

The suspect is a transient and is being held on suspicion of second-degree assault.

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So.....................

a simple CCW stop an illegal alien immigrant er...........cough, cough.................transient..................

[jacksmar]

http://www.myfoxal.com/story/28798881/teen-shot-dead-after-involvement-in-home-invasion


Police: Teen shot dead after involvement in home invasion


GADSDEN, AL (WBRC) - Gadsden police say a home invasion led to a teenager being shot dead by a homeowner.

Police say a 17-year-old boy was one of three suspects who broke into a woman's home at about 3 a.m. Monday, April 13.

The woman told police the teenager held a gun to her head and raped her while the others ransacked her home.

She said two of the men eventually left her home, but the teen stayed behind, beat her in the head with his gun and demanded money from her.

The victim told police they ended up at a neighbor's home after she told the attacker her neighbor had her money.

Police say the neighbor called 911 when the woman and her attacker arrived outside his front door.

The attacker reportedly demanded the neighbor get off the phone, fired two shots into the air, and pointed the gun at the neighbor.

The neighbor, who was armed, fired a bullet into the teenager's chest, killing him.

Police say they questioned the neighbor at police headquarters but released him. The female victim was treated at a hospital.

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So..................

a dead freelance socialist....................

death penalty works...........................

[jacksmar]

http://www.wusa9.com/story/news/local/maryland/2016/01/13/police-homeowner-shoots-suspect-md-home-invasion/78728374/

Police: Homeowner shoots suspect in Md. home invasion

TEMPLE HILLS, Md. (WUSA9) -- A man is injured after being shot by a Temple Hills homeowner during an attempted home invasion early Wednesday morning, police said.

The forced entry happened around 1:50 a.m. in the 3900 block of Brinkley Road, according to Prince George's County police.

When officers responded to the scene they found a man suffering from apparent gunshot wounds to his legs. He was taken to the hospital in fair condition and has non-life-threatening injuries, police said.

Authorities said the man tried to force his way into the home. The residents' dog alarmed them of the man who was trying to break in. The homeowner was armed with a gun and confronted the intruder. He shot at the man in fear for his life. Police said the homeowner and his wife were the only people home at the time of the incident. They were not hurt.

Investigation shows that the victims and the suspect do not know each other.

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let's see if the homeowner gets charged. maryland is not a stand your ground state...............

[Kristy]

Boring.

[jacksmar]

http://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2016/07/01/man-opens-fire-at-nightclub-gets-shot-in-leg-by-concealed-carrier/

Man Opens Fire At Nightclub, Gets Shot In Leg By Concealed Carrier

LYMAN, S.C. (AP) – Sheriff’s deputies say no charges will be filed against a man who shot and wounded another man who had fired into a crowd at a South Carolina nightclub.

Spartanburg County deputies told local media outlets that officers arrested a man they say shot and wounded three people at the nightclub in Lyman. Thirty-two-year-old Jody Ray Thompson of Lyman is charged with four counts of attempted murder and two weapons violations.

Investigators say Thompson got into an argument and fired into the crowd. A man in the crowd pulled his gun and shot Thompson in the leg. Lt. Kevin Bobo says the man had a valid concealed weapons permit and will not face charges in Sunday’s shooting.

[jacksmar]

http://www.wave3.com/story/34278991/homeowner-holds-burglary-suspects-at-gunpoint-for-police

LOUISVILLE, KY (WAVE) – When a man came home and found a burglar inside his house he took matters into his own hands until police arrived.

Matt Robinson noticed a suspicious car in front of his home in the Hawthorne neighborhood as he returned from work on Monday night.

[jacksmar]

http://www.tampabay.com/news/publicsafety/crime/man-with-concealed-weapons-permit-shoots-suspect-who-attempted-to-rob-lutz/2310958

LUTZ — When a masked man walked into a convenience store Thursday morning and pointed a gun at the clerk and a customer, the customer shot the man in the leg, authorities said.

It wasn't until afterward that the customer learned the man he had shot was one of his former employees, according to the Pasco County Sheriff's Office.

"(He) feels bad he had to shoot somebody he knew," said sheriff's spokesman Kevin Doll.

Sheriff Chris Nocco said the customer did the right thing.

[jacksmar]

http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/would-be-robber-charged-with-murder-in-metro-east-after/article_0319ba21-4914-560c-985d-26ef050af2d5.html

Would-be robbers in Metro East pull gun on Vietnam vet, who fires back, killing 1

VENICE • An attempted armed robbery turned deadly Thursday when the would-be victim pulled a gun and fired, killing one of the robbers and injuring another, police said.

Billy Dean Dickerson, 19, of St. Louis died Thursday morning when he and Perry A. Richardson, 23, tried to rob a 70-year-old man who was dropping off a friend at her house in the 200 block of Abbott Street in Venice, police said. The man is a Vietnam War veteran from St. Louis.

The veteran and his friend were sitting in his car when Dickerson pulled his vehicle up next to the driver's side, police said. Richardson, who was sitting in the passenger seat, pulled out his gun and demanded money.

The veteran pulled out his gun and fired, hitting Dickerson in the head and Richardson in the arm and chest.

Police were called to the block for a report of shots fired and found Dickerson inside his car. He was pronounced dead at the scene.

http://bloximages.newyork1.vip.townnews.com/stltoday.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/7/7e/77ebe4fc-39de-5969-af7f-329e7f35a21c/5897e2f34623b.image.jpg?crop=311%2C327%2C155%2C0

[jacksmar]

http://www.wfaa.com/news/two-shot-killed-in-restaurant-shooting-in-arlington/436569576

Two killed in Arlington restaurant shooting identified

Arlington police are still trying to process a horrific shooting scene that unfolded at a popular restaurant and bar, leaving a manager and the suspect dead.

Police flooded the Zona Caliente Sports Bar at about 6:15 p.m. after receiving calls of an active shooter.

The shooter James Jones, 48, and employee Cesar Perez, 37, were pronounced dead at the scene.

Lt. Christopher Cook said it all began when Jones walked into the bar, yelling and saying incoherent things. Perez, a manager, tried to calm him down before Jones shot Perez.

Then, a customer at the bar pulled out his handgun and shot and killed Jones. Police have confirmed the customer had a CHL and charges won't be filed against him.

“He made the decision to engage the shooter, fearing there would be other loss of life,” said Cook.

[jacksmar]

Remember: When seconds count, the police are minutes away........

[jacksmar]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dZn0D_9VY8

[Igosplut]

5 times and he didn't die? If I shoot someone 5 times with my .45, they better fucking die!


Unless you're a bad shot. I know someone who was hit seven times with a 45, and lived. He was fucked up, but alive.

[Nickdfresh]

Five rounds from a .45ACP will fuck you up even if you live...

[Nitro Express]

Shootings are strange. There was one police shooting were the person shots took two 40 caliber hollow points in the head and lived. I'm sure it messed the dude up pretty bad. I'm sure his life changed. Maybe he wishes those bullets killed him.

[Nickdfresh]

Hollow points are for flesh but tend to lose energy and lose effectiveness against hard surfaces. It could be the hollow-points mushroomed before penning his skull. I'm sure it badly ripped up his scalp in any case...

[Nitro Express]

It's the hydraulic action of the water in the body tissues that open the hollow points. I know one bullet stopped just short of the carotid artery. So one bullet did penetrate.

[jacksmar]

http://q13fox.com/2018/06/17/shooting-at-walmart-in-tumwater/

Civilian shoots, kills gunman at Tumwater Walmart; 2 others hurt

TUMWATER, Wash. -- A shooting outside a Walmart Supercenter in Tumwater Sunday evening was the end result of a crime spree from the now deceased gunman, police said. That gunman was killed by a 47-year-old armed civilian in the Walmart parking lot.

Tumwater Police spokeswoman Laura Wohl said it all happened about 4:40 p.m. when officers were alerted to a possible carjacking near a gas station.

...

Tumwater Police said the suspect tried to carjack two cars in the Walmart parking lot at 5900 Littlerock Rd SW.

One driver was shot when he refused to give up his car, Wohl said. He was airlifted to Harborview Medical Center. As of Monday, the man was in critical condition and in intensive care.

As the suspect tried to take a second car a "bystander here in the parking lot shot the suspect," Wohl said.

According to a police release, two armed civilians initially approached the suspect.

...

Adams said he ran out of the store and into the parking lot toward his car. The gunman, not far away, then shot a driver of a car he was attempting to steal.

Adams said he then saw a father with his family take out his concealed weapon and shoot the gunman dead.

That man is being hailed a hero by shoppers.

[FORD]

Yeah, that one was a little close to home. I was probably less than two miles from there when it happened.

Gunman was a wackjob from McCleary, which is a small town known for right wing wackjobs. Hell only knows what his problem was, but the facts are he had both a criminal record AND a record of being a wackjob, so again the main problem here is guns in the hands of people who shouldn't be allowed anywhere near a gun. Ironically, he probably bought the gun at WalMart, since he obviously knew his way around the guns & ammo section of that store (he was attempting to shoot the locks off the ammo displays in the store to steal bullets)

As for the guy who took him out.... he also attempted to save his life after shooting him, and the article in the local paper mentions his medical training, so I'm guessing he was a military medic or something along those lines. Or in other words, somebody who actually was trained to use a weapon properly, and only when necessary. As it was in this case..... not surprised it took the Tumwater PD a while to show up. They were probably too busy with their speed traps.

[jacksmar]

https://www.abc15.com/news/region-southeast-valley/tempe/valley-mom-holds-suspect-at-gunpoint-man-arrested-after-injuring-officers-and-k-9

Valley mom holds suspect at gunpoint, man arrested after injuring officers and K-9

TEMPE, AZ — One mother said her quick thinking and nearby pistol helped protect herself and her kids during a home invasion.

The situation ended with an injured police K-9, two hurt Tempe police officers and a mother who forced the suspect out of her apartment at gunpoint.

"It was either me or him, and I had two kids. There was no way I was going to let them get hurt," the mother said.

Anthony Chambers is now charged with two counts of aggravated assault on an officer, three counts of kidnapping, harming a service animal, and five other felonies.

[jacksmar]

https://www.kens5.com/article/news/sapd-suspect-stealing-trailer-shot-by-owner/273-ee1fbe7a-8d80-4973-8199-9ca85599f752

SAPD: Suspect stealing trailer shot by owner
Police say the owner of a trailer confronted and shot a man as he was stealing the trailer


Police say the owner of a trailer shot a man suspected of stealing his trailer in a neighborhood on the southwest side.

Two men reportedly stole the trailer around 4:00 a.m. Thursday morning on Painted Horse Street, near Old Pearsall Road and War Cloud.

Police say the owner followed the two men and confronted them. Gunfire was exchanged and one of the men was hit by birdshot from a shotgun. The other man took off.

The man who was shot was taken to University Hospital in stable condition. Police are investigating.

[Nitro Express]

Yeah, that one was a little close to home. I was probably less than two miles from there when it happened.

Gunman was a wackjob from McCleary, which is a small town known for right wing wackjobs. Hell only knows what his problem was, but the facts are he had both a criminal record AND a record of being a wackjob, so again the main problem here is guns in the hands of people who shouldn't be allowed anywhere near a gun. Ironically, he probably bought the gun at WalMart, since he obviously knew his way around the guns & ammo section of that store (he was attempting to shoot the locks off the ammo displays in the store to steal bullets)

As for the guy who took him out.... he also attempted to save his life after shooting him, and the article in the local paper mentions his medical training, so I'm guessing he was a military medic or something along those lines. Or in other words, somebody who actually was trained to use a weapon properly, and only when necessary. As it was in this case..... not surprised it took the Tumwater PD a while to show up. They were probably too busy with their speed traps.

The number of people with suicidal levels of depression has really increased over the years. I think some people have just had it and they hate the world so they are going to go out causing destruction and making the news. Many of these shooters are on antidepressant medication which can make some people suicidal.

[Nickdfresh]

The number of people with suicidal levels of depression has really increased over the years. I think some people have just had it and they hate the world so they are going to go out causing destruction and making the news. Many of these shooters are on antidepressant medication which can make some people suicidal.

I don't know how you quantify "suicidal depression", but the rate was actually slightly higher in 1950 that it was in 2016 according to one online stat site (actually it's slightly higher now when both male and female death rates are combined, but still almost identical). It's true there has been a recent 20-year spike edging back towards 50's levels, but that seems to correspond with the 2001 attacks and perhaps the resulting PTSD from the wars...

[Nickdfresh]

https://www.kens5.com/article/news/sapd-suspect-stealing-trailer-shot-by-owner/273-ee1fbe7a-8d80-4973-8199-9ca85599f752

SAPD: Suspect stealing trailer shot by owner
Police say the owner of a trailer confronted and shot a man as he was stealing the trailer


Police say the owner of a trailer shot a man suspected of stealing his trailer in a neighborhood on the southwest side.

Two men reportedly stole the trailer around 4:00 a.m. Thursday morning on Painted Horse Street, near Old Pearsall Road and War Cloud.

Police say the owner followed the two men and confronted them. Gunfire was exchanged and one of the men was hit by birdshot from a shotgun. The other man took off.

The man who was shot was taken to University Hospital in stable condition. Police are investigating.

Yeah, um, you're not allowed to shoot people over property in the vast majority of states and that guy might well face criminal prosecution...

[Nitro Express]

I don't know how you quantify "suicidal depression", but the rate was actually slightly higher in 1950 that it was in 2016 according to one online stat site (actually it's slightly higher now when both male and female death rates are combined, but still almost identical). It's true there has been a recent 20-year spike edging back towards 50's levels, but that seems to correspond with the 2001 attacks and perhaps the resulting PTSD from the wars...

According to the Center of Disease Control suicide rates are rising in the US. Suicide is 10th leading cause of death in the US. The most common way people in the US kill themselves is using a firearm. Suicides have risen over 30% in half the states since 1999.

[Seshmeister]

Well it's definitely a factor that it's very easy to kill yourself in the US because of the prevalence of guns. In the same way that the stats show that having a gun makes you far more likely to end up being shot by someone else, it also makes it more likely you will kill yourself.

It's nuts that the same people that won't allow old people the freedom to euthanize themselves when they have a terminal illness are cool about people with mental problems having a human killing machine in their home...


https://youtu.be/EbmQxZkSswI

[Nickdfresh]

According to the Center of Disease Control suicide rates are rising in the US. Suicide is 10th leading cause of death in the US. The most common way people in the US kill themselves is using a firearm. Suicides have risen over 30% in half the states since 1999.

I agree, this is correct and there seems to be a epidemic of veterans, and more women in general, offing themselves sadly. But to put it in perspective historically, the rate ebbs and flows. A friend of mine who's a vet had his best friend he served with in Afghanistan with commit suicide, then the friend's father killed himself. Just fucking awful. The son had a great job, a hot wife, kids, and a nice house just decided to put a gun in his mouth one day after being haunted by the war. The father hung himself...

[Nitro Express]

I agree, this is correct and there seems to be a epidemic of veterans, and more women in general, offing themselves sadly. But to put it in perspective historically, the rate ebbs and flows. A friend of mine who's a vet had his best friend he served with in Afghanistan with commit suicide, then the friend's father killed himself. Just fucking awful. The son had a great job, a hot wife, kids, and a nice house just decided to put a gun in his mouth one day after being haunted by the war. The father hung himself...

If you spend time in a real war zone you will have some level of PTSD. It usually doesn't hit while the person is serving in the military. There is the peer pressure, the responsibility of duty, a lot going on to keep you distracted. The PTSD hits at home when things are safe and quiet. Seeing a population and politicians inept to what went on and out of the reality loop to where we can just keep getting into the same mess over and over and over not to mention the poor treatment of vets other than the fake patriotism only makes the PTSD worse. Yup you can have a great life and still be haunted and depressed in your head. It gets to the point of where the person just wants to end those awful feelings for good and escape them.

Something everyone who sends people into a war zone should be aware of but chicken hawks don't care.

[Nitro Express]

Well it's definitely a factor that it's very easy to kill yourself in the US because of the prevalence of guns. In the same way that the stats show that having a gun makes you far more likely to end up being shot by someone else, it also makes it more likely you will kill yourself.

It's nuts that the same people that won't allow old people the freedom to euthanize themselves when they have a terminal illness are cool about people with mental problems having a human killing machine in their home...


https://youtu.be/EbmQxZkSswI

There is something creepy about assisted suicide. Lot's of things can be a human killing machine.

[Seshmeister]

Lot's of things can be a human killing machine.

Yeah but guns are the most commonly used as you pointed out.