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Southpaw
01-21-2014, 07:41 PM
According to Celebritynetworth.com Daves net worth in 2009 was 40 million. Not shabby but kind of shocking when they had Michael Anthony @ 60 mil Eddie @ 85 and Sammy @ 120. Pretty interesting site. Alot of shockers on this list. Check it out.

ZahZoo
01-22-2014, 08:47 AM
He ain't worth a plugged nickel to me until he gets off his lazy ass and works for his dinner...

Von Halen
01-22-2014, 09:00 AM
You can call DLR a lot of things, but "lazy" isn't one of them. John 5 told me out of his own mouth, he has a whole album with Dave done. Dave being lazy has nothing to do with the lack of new material. That is simply a fact.

twonabomber
01-22-2014, 09:38 AM
According to Celebritynetworth.com Daves net worth in 2009 was 40 million. Not shabby but kind of shocking when they had Michael Anthony @ 60 mil Eddie @ 85 and Sammy @ 120. Pretty interesting site. Alot of shockers on this list. Check it out.

Eddie at $85 mil? Because dopes like Von Halen buy his stupid striped JUNK!

Va Beach VH Fan
01-22-2014, 09:42 AM
Dave had several pretty lean years...

I harken back to Pojo's story on seeing Dave's show at a dive bar in Corry, PA, close to where both of us grew up... Trust me when I say that Corry is barely big enough even to HAVE a bar, much less one that David Lee Roth would have a show in....

Not to mention that the band member's royalties from the CVH years were peanuts...

MA kept himself busy, and had a fairly steady cash flow coming in, doing Bette gigs...

And EVH had his guitars and flipflops pumping up his income....

So I'm not that surprised at those numbers, if accurate....

twonabomber
01-22-2014, 09:53 AM
Subtract the money spent on No Holds BBQ which likely never earned it's cost back...

Von Halen
01-22-2014, 10:53 AM
Eddie at $85 mil? Because dopes like Von Halen buy his stupid striped JUNK!

Ha ha! Fuck you Twona! If I wasn't spending $3k on the engine for the dune buggy, I'd already have one of each of the striped guitars!

Von Halen
01-22-2014, 10:55 AM
Subtract the money spent on No Holds BBQ which likely never earned it's cost back...

I was told Dave spent a whole bunch of money on that thing.

DONNIEP
01-22-2014, 11:06 AM
Subtract the money spent on No Holds BBQ which likely never earned it's cost back...

I distributed more copies of the BBQ than Dave did...

PETE'S BROTHER
01-22-2014, 11:10 AM
I distributed more copies of the BBQ than Dave did...

:thumb:

VHscraps
01-22-2014, 11:55 AM
I wonder if those figures are seriously overestimated?

Apart from Sammy Hagar, who we know sold his Tequila for a very large chunk of money ... was it 60 or 80 million?

I just remember Dave saying on one of those interviews last year that he didn't care if people stole / downloaded the back catalogue because he only got 15 cents an album. Dave seems to have done a lot of travelling, subsidised his own band and projects (didn't that Ice Cream Man video with Nile Rodgers cost a million, according to his book?) - I'd be surprised if he is seriously rich with wealth in the tens of millions, although he has that big house in Pasadena.

ZahZoo
01-22-2014, 11:57 AM
You can call DLR a lot of things, but "lazy" isn't one of them. John 5 told me out of his own mouth, he has a whole album with Dave done. Dave being lazy has nothing to do with the lack of new material. That is simply a fact.

Hey... we all have hobbies that we "work" on. Some people build bird houses or dune buggies in their garage... Some people record albums worth of music... The question of actually productivity resulting in tangible output is more what I was eluding to...

For years... supporters of Diamond Dave have always said he's not a singer... he's an entertainer!!!

Well if Dave isn't entertaining anyone other than himself... he ain't workin... if you ain't workin you're either lazy or on vacation!!

Zing!
01-22-2014, 01:11 PM
I've always assumed DLR was pretty business savvy but not the financial genius some around here make him out to be - at least he has always portrayed himself as that way, particularly in his book. I would be very surprised if he hasn't invested his cash in real estate over the years, or had his broker buying and selling. I find it hard to believe that the Mojo Dojo is the only property he owns.

vandeleur
01-22-2014, 01:14 PM
Pity Dave hadn't invented the stripe. The guitarist hit the mother load with that bad boy.

DONNIEP
01-22-2014, 02:16 PM
Seems like the BBQ video was a million plus to produce. And these guys weren't making big bucks while Dave was in the band. The record deal was shit and the tours had to cost a bloody fortune and that's back when tickets were what, 15 bucks or so? Surely Dave restructured his deal after he split the band, so I'd be shocked if he wasn't making a higher percentage off the solo stuff. But those tours were massive too, had to cost a fortune. But Dave had to be worth at least a few mill. And he had to have cashed in on these last two VH tours, had to. I mean, it ain't like the band was spending anything on staging, lighting, etc., and Dave doesn't travel around with an entourage of midgets and hangers on any more. I wonder what Dave was actually getting paid for these last two tours. There ain't no way it was an even split, not with Ed The Terrible running the show.

ZahZoo
01-22-2014, 03:17 PM
I don't know about being "business savvy"... what's Dave's most valuable asset?

His mouth...

What contract with the devil does he make to get back into Van Halen... He has to put a lid on his mouth. That's not business savvy. That's pure desperation...

Why the hell isn't Dave releasing this album with John 5? He was so desperate to get back in the door with Ed he signed away his right to produce music outside of VH...

You think for a minute Bass-player Jr™ won't be on the next Tremonti release or that his Pops won't pimp out a solo for the next black man that calls him?

Someone mention business savvy?

Von Halen
01-22-2014, 03:38 PM
I don't know about being "business savvy"... what's Dave's most valuable asset?

His mouth...

As evidenced by his Roth Shows! :D


What contract with the devil does he make to get back into Van Halen... He has to put a lid on his mouth. That's not business savvy. That's pure desperation...

Why the hell isn't Dave releasing this album with John 5? He was so desperate to get back in the door with Ed he signed away his right to produce music outside of VH...

You think for a minute Bass-player Jr™ won't be on the next Tremonti release or that his Pops won't pimp out a solo for the next black man that calls him?

Someone mention business savvy?

Come on. Will Dave make more money with a DLR/John 5 album and tour, or a VH album and tour? Or, DLR/anybody album and tour? Dave made the right deal at the time. It will eventually come to an end, and he will once again be able to do what he wants.

ZahZoo
01-22-2014, 04:00 PM
I don't think he'd make more money with the John5 product... I just think given he was an internationally acclaimed rock performer and entertainment icon before he rejoined Van Halen.

There should have been no reason for Dave to allow his creative output to be constrained or limited by fronting Van Halen.

Granted he secured some significant income up swing from the 2007/8 & 2012 tours plus residual from ADKOT. That was good business... but shutting down all other avenues just to play to Edward's insecurities was shit for brains stupid in my book!!

Seshmeister
01-22-2014, 05:18 PM
I wonder what Dave was actually getting paid for these last two tours. There ain't no way it was an even split, not with Ed The Terrible running the show.

I dunno I think maybe it would be an even split.

Doing it that way would have got Ed's kid 25% which especially on the first tour would have felt like a big win by Ed but a compromise that Roth could have lived with.

Von Halen
01-22-2014, 06:48 PM
Wolfgang is listed at $10 million.

Fairwrning
01-22-2014, 06:59 PM
40 mil surprises me..2009..off year...sammy at 120 is more surprising..how does that happen..real estate??

Nickdfresh
01-22-2014, 07:07 PM
Tequila!

Fairwrning
01-22-2014, 07:16 PM
Another reason people should smoke weed instead of drink.

atomicpnk47
01-22-2014, 07:25 PM
Pity Dave hadn't invented the stripe. The guitarist hit the mother load with that bad boy.


Didn't Dave invent strategic spandex? :biggrin:

atomicpnk47
01-22-2014, 07:26 PM
Wolfgang is listed at $10 million.


Is that more than Al?

DONNIEP
01-22-2014, 07:36 PM
Is that more than Al?

I think Al's net worth is like 37 bucks. That sumbitch runs through it faster than a heroin addict in China town...

big fatty
01-22-2014, 07:56 PM
You can call DLR a lot of things, but "lazy" isn't one of them. John 5 told me out of his own mouth, he has a whole album with Dave done. Dave being lazy has nothing to do with the lack of new material. That is simply a fact.

John 5 is a studio slut. He works with anyone, anytime, anyplace. KD Lang to Rob Halford, and everybody in between. If Boy George called him up, Johnny would probably play on his project for a blow job.

Fuck John 5. You think he's gonna share his best material with Dave. I don't think so. Listen to the last tune from Diamond Dave, "Thug Pop ". Total freakin' garbage.

Where was John 5 after the DLR Band album. He ran off with the nearest faggot that called. Marylin Manson. So much for loyalty. The best stuff on that album was from Mike Hartman anyway. King Of The Hill kicks ass.

Whatever this accoustic " Beyond The Rainbow Grill ", or whatever it's called, is most likely like that " Thermo Plastic Chair " tune from last year.

I'll like it. You'll like it. A few hundred other life long die hard Roth fans will dig it. But it will be another go nowhere Magna Carta label style indie release that doe's jack shit for Dave's carreer, other than make smartass critics and " Bi- Halen " fans mock him for not being able to sustain a high profile status without EVH.

He should just put it out on the internet on his website for free. Maybe do some video's. It would be cool.


Dave had several pretty lean years...

I harken back to Pojo's story on seeing Dave's show at a dive bar in Corry, PA, close to where both of us grew up... Trust me when I say that Corry is barely big enough even to HAVE a bar, much less one that David Lee Roth would have a show in....

Not to mention that the band member's royalties from the CVH years were peanuts...

MA kept himself busy, and had a fairly steady cash flow coming in, doing Bette gigs...

And EVH had his guitars and flipflops pumping up his income....

So I'm not that surprised at those numbers, if accurate....

DLR had Blue Oyster Cult open up for him in 2006. After his radio show ended, he knew he was going back to VH during that 2006 tour. You can see the glow in his performances on that tour. Keep in mind, his casino, club show gross at that time was $ 50 000. So do the math on that. $ 25, 000 an hour minus expenses. Not to shabby. You think he'd do those Ribfest shows because he needed the money. I dont think so. It would be stupid NOT to do a few ahows each year to have something coming in to add to the kitty. Property tax's, etc.

Dave is no dummy. Not to mention his pop died and he most likely never had too much stress related to money.

He did the NYC paramedic stint as an adventure. I believe he volunteered. Better than sitting on your ass getting wasted like EVH at the time. Dave is too sharp to have ever been lean on money.


Subtract the money spent on No Holds BBQ which likely never earned it's cost back...


I was told Dave spent a whole bunch of money on that thing.


I distributed more copies of the BBQ than Dave did...


I wonder if those figures are seriously overestimated?

Apart from Sammy Hagar, who we know sold his Tequila for a very large chunk of money ... was it 60 or 80 million?

I just remember Dave saying on one of those interviews last year that he didn't care if people stole / downloaded the back catalogue because he only got 15 cents an album. Dave seems to have done a lot of travelling, subsidised his own band and projects (didn't that Ice Cream Man video with Nile Rodgers cost a million, according to his book?) - I'd be surprised if he is seriously rich with wealth in the tens of millions, although he has that big house in Pasadena.


Pity Dave hadn't invented the stripe. The guitarist hit the mother load with that bad boy.

DAVE DID INVENT THE STRIPES. It was HIS idea that Eddie do something with his guitars to stand out. DLR got the idea from seeing one of those punk bands that had stripped their guitar. He thought it looked cool, and gave the idea to Eddie to improve upon so his guitars, and the band, would stand out. This was in 1977.


Seems like the BBQ video was a million plus to produce. And these guys weren't making big bucks while Dave was in the band. The record deal was shit and the tours had to cost a bloody fortune and that's back when tickets were what, 15 bucks or so? Surely Dave restructured his deal after he split the band, so I'd be shocked if he wasn't making a higher percentage off the solo stuff. But those tours were massive too, had to cost a fortune. But Dave had to be worth at least a few mill. And he had to have cashed in on these last two VH tours, had to. I mean, it ain't like the band was spending anything on staging, lighting, etc., and Dave doesn't travel around with an entourage of midgets and hangers on any more. I wonder what Dave was actually getting paid for these last two tours. There ain't no way it was an even split, not with Ed The Terrible running the show.

Nickdfresh
01-22-2014, 08:00 PM
Another reason people should smoke weed instead of drink.

No, drinking tequila is fine. Just don't drink Sam's ex-Cabo testicle sweat stuff...

DONNIEP
01-22-2014, 08:06 PM
Seriously, has anybody even tasted Slappy's tequila? I mean, it's gotta be pretty damn good or Campari wouldn't have paid 91 million bucks for it. I hate tequila so I wouldn't know good from bad.

big fatty
01-22-2014, 08:18 PM
Seriously, has anybody even tasted Slappy's tequila? I mean, it's gotta be pretty damn good or Campari wouldn't have paid 91 million bucks for it. I hate tequila so I wouldn't know good from bad.

Oh, it's good stuff. Believe me. I treat myself to a bottle once or twice a year. It's a tad bit pricey in my neck of the woods though. About $ 95.

Most of his music is kinda not that pleasing to my ears , but his tequilla is awesome.

Nickdfresh
01-22-2014, 08:23 PM
Seriously, has anybody even tasted Slappy's tequila? I mean, it's gotta be pretty damn good or Campari wouldn't have paid 91 million bucks for it. I hate tequila so I wouldn't know good from bad.

I did about 15 years ago. It's just above mediocre, like Patrón. According to all of the tequila guides, that's pretty much the general consensus. I don't know about places around the Americas, but here I rarely see anything but Patrón or the bastard fuel injection cleaner alternative called Jose Cuervo in bars...

Nickdfresh
01-22-2014, 08:25 PM
Oh, it's good stuff. Believe me. I treat myself to a bottle once or twice a year. It's a tad bit pricey in my neck of the woods though. About $ 95.

Most of his music is kinda not that pleasing to my ears , but his tequilla is awesome.

Jesus dude, fucking Don Julio FFS!!! There are so many better tequilas than that fat asses'!

Seshmeister
01-22-2014, 08:49 PM
Oh, it's good stuff. Believe me. I treat myself to a bottle once or twice a year. It's a tad bit pricey in my neck of the woods though. About $ 95.

Most of his music is kinda not that pleasing to my ears , but his tequilla is awesome.

No tequila is worth $95 a bottle.

DONNIEP
01-22-2014, 08:53 PM
Oh, it's good stuff. Believe me. I treat myself to a bottle once or twice a year. It's a tad bit pricey in my neck of the woods though. About $ 95.

Most of his music is kinda not that pleasing to my ears , but his tequilla is awesome.

Damn, 95 bucks?? Seems like it was 65 bucks when it first came out. Ah, like I said - I hate tequila so I don't know good from bad.

DONNIEP
01-22-2014, 08:54 PM
No tequila is worth $95 a bottle.

It's funny, I know lots of people who say they love tequila but I never see any of them drinking the stuff. Unless it's in a margarita.

Seshmeister
01-22-2014, 08:58 PM
It's funny, I know lots of people who say they love tequila but I never see any of them drinking the stuff. Unless it's in a margarita.

Exactly when they add a ton of ice, mint and sugar so it could be anything in there.

Tequila is like Hagar, an over priced one trick pony novelty act that drunk people do sometimes because they think that will make them appear like party people.

Just my opinion though and I loathe to criticize any alcohol... :)

Terry
01-22-2014, 09:52 PM
Not a huge shock.
From 1999 to 2007, what was his single biggest payday? Probably the Sam and Dave tour.
I mean, clearly even if he was working on a straight fee rather than an equal percentage of the net profits of the last two Van Halen tours, whatever Roth negotiated was gonna be a much bigger profit than whatever he was making on the road as a solo act prior to 2007...and was certainly going to be much bigger than whatever Dave would have made as a solo act on the road for the last 7 years.
Last time I saw Roth solo was in August, 2006 at the Hard Rock in Universal Studios, Orlando. Has a seating capacity of maybe (MAYBE) 3,000. Tickets were like 40 bucks a pop. Place wasn't sold out, either. So even if he had sold it out, he stood to make $120k. Subtract band and crew salaries and all the other incidentals, Roth was still making good money but he wasn't gonna be banking millions (or even close to that) as a solo artist.
Whatever deal he made with the devil regarding working with Van Halen, it was probably something he not only wanted to do, but he probably needed to if he was gonna keep up the lifestyle he wanted to live. And you know what? There's nothing wrong with that.

big fatty
01-22-2014, 10:41 PM
Not a huge shock.
From 1999 to 2007, what was his single biggest payday? Probably the Sam and Dave tour.
I mean, clearly even if he was working on a straight fee rather than an equal percentage of the net profits of the last two Van Halen tours, whatever Roth negotiated was gonna be a much bigger profit than whatever he was making on the road as a solo act prior to 2007...and was certainly going to be much bigger than whatever Dave would have made as a solo act on the road for the last 7 years.
Last time I saw Roth solo was in August, 2006 at the Hard Rock in Universal Studios, Orlando. Has a seating capacity of maybe (MAYBE) 3,000. Tickets were like 40 bucks a pop. Place wasn't sold out, either. So even if he had sold it out, he stood to make $120k. Subtract band and crew salaries and all the other incidentals, Roth was still making good money but he wasn't gonna be banking millions (or even close to that) as a solo artist.
Whatever deal he made with the devil regarding working with Van Halen, it was probably something he not only wanted to do, but he probably needed to if he was gonna keep up the lifestyle he wanted to live. And you know what? There's nothing wrong with that.

$ 50,000 a night was DLR ' s price to promoters for his regular solo shows. Not including the Bad Company & Hagar tours. ( I'm not sure about the particulars on those two tours. )

Casino & festival promoters, as well as other venues hit the jackpot when Dave rolled into town.

The same thing still happens nowdays, with acts like Cheap Trick and Ted Nugent. Tickets usually cost $50 to $70, and the shows draw anywhere from 1000 to 3000 people. The venue earns and keeps all liquor sales.

I'm not talking out of my ass here. Van Halen also has a guarantee amount. They get paid the same no matter how many people show up.

You have NO idea how much of that money they DONT get.

Never mind multiplying the ticket price by the sales on any given night. That has jack shit to do with the band's gross, and EVERYTHING to do with the promoters. Without whom, no touring act, no matter how big, could operate.

I suggestion you read up on the touring business, before assuming such elemental conclusions.

Nitro Express
01-23-2014, 12:19 AM
Seriously, has anybody even tasted Slappy's tequila? I mean, it's gotta be pretty damn good or Campari wouldn't have paid 91 million bucks for it. I hate tequila so I wouldn't know good from bad.

Yeah. It's on par with Patron. I pretty much only drink tequila when I'm down in Mexico but really I'm a mezcal guy. You can see God on that stuff. Every time I go down to Mexico I travel the universe without a spaceship.

Seshmeister
01-23-2014, 12:28 AM
Not a huge shock.
From 1999 to 2007, what was his single biggest payday? Probably the Sam and Dave tour.

Probably but I think the fact it never got as far as the courts shows he got a pretty healthy payoff from CBS for the radio gig.

ZahZoo
01-23-2014, 12:35 AM
John 5 is a studio slut. He works with anyone, anytime, anyplace. KD Lang to Rob Halford, and everybody in between. If Boy George called him up, Johnny would probably play on his project for a blow job.

Fuck John 5. You think he's gonna share his best material with Dave. I don't think so. Listen to the last tune from Diamond Dave, "Thug Pop ". Total freakin' garbage.

Where was John 5 after the DLR Band album. He ran off with the nearest faggot that called. Marylin Manson. So much for loyalty. The best stuff on that album was from Mike Hartman anyway. King Of The Hill kicks ass.

Whatever this accoustic " Beyond The Rainbow Grill ", or whatever it's called, is most likely like that " Thermo Plastic Chair " tune from last year.

I'll like it. You'll like it. A few hundred other life long die hard Roth fans will dig it. But it will be another go nowhere Magna Carta label style indie release that doe's jack shit for Dave's carreer, other than make smartass critics and " Bi- Halen " fans mock him for not being able to sustain a high profile status without EVH.

He should just put it out on the internet on his website for free. Maybe do some video's. It would be cool.



DLR had Blue Oyster Cult open up for him in 2006. After his radio show ended, he knew he was going back to VH during that 2006 tour. You can see the glow in his performances on that tour. Keep in mind, his casino, club show gross at that time was $ 50 000. So do the math on that. $ 25, 000 an hour minus expenses. Not to shabby. You think he'd do those Ribfest shows because he needed the money. I dont think so. It would be stupid NOT to do a few ahows each year to have something coming in to add to the kitty. Property tax's, etc.

Dave is no dummy. Not to mention his pop died and he most likely never had too much stress related to money.

He did the NYC paramedic stint as an adventure. I believe he volunteered. Better than sitting on your ass getting wasted like EVH at the time. Dave is too sharp to have ever been lean on money.











DAVE DID INVENT THE STRIPES. It was HIS idea that Eddie do something with his guitars to stand out. DLR got the idea from seeing one of those punk bands that had stripped their guitar. He thought it looked cool, and gave the idea to Eddie to improve upon so his guitars, and the band, would stand out. This was in 1977.

What a load of fucking horse shit... bull shit or whatever conglomeration of crap I've ever read... Go suck Diamond Dave's dick on some gay horn dog site... if you must. But he didn't invent or come close to being the creative element you position him to be.

This is exactly the crap I hate the most about fan bullshit and the "he's so fucking great" he fart's rainbows bullshit that many of you position him into... what a load of crap that no human can standup to the hoopla...

Seshmeister
01-23-2014, 12:38 AM
Seems like the BBQ video was a million plus to produce.

The claim was he spent a million on that video in two days and then sent it out to a handful of radio stations with little explanation.

By the time I had caught up with the Sammy and Dave tour 20 shows in it wasn't available at the merch.

First no one spends a million like that if you are down to your last few million particularly not a smart middle aged Jewish guy.

Secondly he filmed it at his own house. I smell a clever tax accountant...

big fatty
01-23-2014, 01:41 AM
You don't understand.

This " Celebrity Wealth " website is gossip bullshit. They have no legitimate source. It is BULLSHIT. It is like TMZ or something.

I remember an rock magazine article in 1991 when Dave was promoting " A Little Aint Enough ". The article stated he had an estimayed wealth of 40 million, owning shoppung malls and radio stations, etc.

DLR, and anyone for that matter, is not going to submit their financial information to some jerk off gossip website. All those figures are innacurratte.

I suspect they all have a lot more. Not from royalties though.


The BBQ video is EASILY understandibly costing 1 million. That is NOT a big sum pertaining to video production, editing, models, and the cost of film.

It was a FULL HOUR production. Most one song video's cost upwards of $60 000.

I suspect you guys are just fucking with me. Ha, Ha, Surely you must know how it is.


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Published: Tue, July 4, 2006 @ 12:00 a.m.

Even though 'Diamond Dave' lost his locks, he's still a great performer. By SARAH POULTON VINDICATOR STAFF WRITER NILES -- "Diamond" David Lee Roth rocked the Valley's dreams Monday night as an estimated 4,500 people were encouraged to "Dance the Night Away" at Eastwood Field. What started out as a fun-filled family event quickly turned into a party for people who are lost in the '80s. Thom Sharp, director of stadium/Expo Center events, said that because of the weather, a carnival setting was not possible. The children were still able to enjoy a fun night with their parents, listening to "old people's" music and watching fireworks, but the games and activities that were planned did not happen. Even though the evening was missing some key elements, Sharp predicted that it would be a great show that no one would want to miss. "In a small market, such as the Youngstown area, you can't miss this show," Sharp said. "I can't even imagine if I would have missed this. Every seat in this place is like a gold circle seat." Roth headlined the evening, opening with Van Halen classic "Hot for Teacher" and closing with "Jump." He played a complete Van Halen set -- minus "The Hagar" -- and added his classic cover "California Girls." Sammy Hagar played with Van Halen after Roth left the group. Blue Oyster Cult also made an appearance as Roth's opening act, singing their classics such as "Godzilla," "Don't Fear the Reaper" and "Burnin' for You." Three of BOC's original five band members performed. Other acts Other bands in attendance were the Back Alley Band, who played lost classics of the '70s and '80s, and the Frank Fordeley Family Band, who were switching costumes left and right. The House Band, a popular local act, kicked off the show with a few of the crowds favorites, Sharp said. Buck Dharma, front man for BOC, said that they have played with "Diamond Dave" in the past, and that he is a lot of fun. He said that Roth tells a lot of jokes, and keeps the atmosphere enjoyable. "My criteria is to entertain myself," Dharma said. "If I don't have a good time, then I don't come back." Jimmy Ramone, merchandise manager for Roth, said that even though Roth lost the locks, he's still a great guy and an amazing performer. "He's matured," Ramone said. "He had a serious job in front of a microphone, so he had to look the part. But that doesn't change who he is." Ramone also said that Roth tends to do a Van Halen set because that is what the fans want to hear. Although everyone hoped for a Van Halen reunion, that won't happen in the near future because of the bad blood between Roth and the Van Halen brothers. Fans John Kegley, 44, of North Lima, and his wife, Sonja, 40, said were excited about seeing Roth, even though the event started with a little bit of rain. Kegley said that he stayed home from work one day, just to get front row seats to see Roth. This is his second time and his wife's first time seeing him. "We came for Dave," Kegley, known as Buster, said. "If nobody else was here, I wouldn't care." Adam Hudek, 17, from Lake Milton, is a member of the Frank Fordeley Family Band. Hudek said that his father got him started in the band by playing guitar. Hudek was excited to be sharing a stage with Roth and BOC. "It feels pretty good to play with BOC," Hudek said. "I wish Van Halen was here, but David Lee Roth is pretty cool." The evening went out with a bang during a fireworks display. Sponsors for the event included Rafidi Law Firm, Warren Harley-Davidson and T & amp;D Landscape, Sharp said. spoulton@vindy.com

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vandeleur
01-23-2014, 03:12 AM
Who cares how much he is worth , I would like the opportunity to make him a little richer by opening up the vandy vault and buying some new product off him soon :)

big fatty
01-23-2014, 03:40 AM
What a load of fucking horse shit... bull shit or whatever conglomeration of crap I've ever read... Go suck Diamond Dave's dick on some gay horn dog site... if you must. But he didn't invent or come close to being the creative element you position him to be.

This is exactly the crap I hate the most about fan bullshit and the "he's so fucking great" he fart's rainbows bullshit that many of you position him into... what a load of crap that no human can standup to the hoopla...

HA, HA. What are you talking about Willis.

The stripes on EVH 's guitar?

There is a new documentary coming out soon about the mid to late 70's L.A Punk Rock scene which will include a few tidbets about VH.

You will then see what I'm referring to regarding the stripes. Just trust me.

So far as the other stuff. I just stated facts regarding DLR's touring income, as a counterpoint to the suggestion that insinuated he was hurting for cash before 2007.

Of course I don't have his income tax returns, so you're right in that one respect, but my initial point of the post was that DLR earned $50,000 per show as a solo act. ( Not including the 2002 and 1999 tour ).

So far as the sucking cock invitation and what-not, no thanks. As Dave would say, " Call Me Retro, I'm still hetro ", maybe someone else can tickle your funny bone. Thanks for asking though, it is a great honour to be considered by the likes of the mighty Zahoo. I've read enough old threads on this internet to recognize some of the regulars of the past ten years or longer, and certainly recognize you, and am not sure how to respond at this point, so you'll just have to wait a while until the movie and book comes out to see that I am right and you are wrong. You follow.

DONNIEP
01-23-2014, 08:25 AM
Who cares how much he is worth , I would like the opportunity to make him a little richer by opening up the vandy vault and buying some new product off him soon :)

Hey!! We gotta have something to fight about! Might as well be over how much money we think Dave has or doesn't have.

:biggrin:

Nickdfresh
01-23-2014, 08:48 AM
I really don't give much of a shit either way other than I'm happy the guy ain't broke. But I suspect Dave has some hidden assets and land that isn't being counted...

twonabomber
01-23-2014, 09:03 AM
The claim was he spent a million on that video in two days and then sent it out to a handful of radio stations with little explanation.

By the time I had caught up with the Sammy and Dave tour 20 shows in it wasn't available at the merch.

First no one spends a million like that if you are down to your last few million particularly not a smart middle aged Jewish guy.

Secondly he filmed it at his own house. I smell a clever tax accountant...

I don't remember the video being available on opening night or when I saw Dave open in Pittsburgh.

I did see DLR get into a taxicab after the Diamond Dave show here at Nautica Stage. Fuckin' Sencio couldn't have gotten the guy a limo? Some manager!


I really don't give much of a shit either way other than I'm happy the guy ain't broke. But I suspect Dave has some hidden assets and land that isn't being counted...

Well, if DLR is keeping homes in Pasadena, NYC, and Tokyo, I'm going to predict that "he ain't hurtin'."

DONNIEP
01-23-2014, 09:05 AM
Yeah, I don't think Dave was ever really hurting for cash. He was asked this very question in a recent interview and I believe his answer was he wasn't ever broke but he did have to keep working. Now, does that mean he had to keep touring to pay the bills? Probably not. But to keep up the lifestyle he has can't be cheap - I mean, hookers, midgets and blow ain't free, lol. But seriously, waaaayyy back in the day Dave was being interviewed and he says something like "yeah, I have a car, so I have two cars" but he said he spent most of his money on "experiences" or travel in normal person english. So he never pissed away a ton of money on cars or race horses or mansions. And as far as houses, the guy lived out of hotel rooms from the first VH tour all the way up until the early 90s. So it's not like he had a need for more than one permanent "home".

Ok, so we've rehashed Dave's bank account. What's next? Hair thread?

PETE'S BROTHER
01-23-2014, 09:44 AM
fuck yeah!!!!

PETE'S BROTHER
01-23-2014, 09:45 AM
he spent millions on hair:112:

DONNIEP
01-23-2014, 10:44 AM
he spent millions on hair:112:

I have to disagree. Didn't he spend like 25 or 50 grand on that stupid dragon tattoo on his back? 25 grand will buy you a kick ass hair transplant! I mean, it's your own hair. It grows and everything. Dave could have went back to the '81 hair style instead of that giant forehead he has now. Jesus, the guy looks like he's auditioning for the next Cone Heads movie.

And DB and I figured this out a while back: there is a direct correlation between Dave's hair and how good he sings. It's like Sampson - Dave cuts his hair off and he sucks. Remember the '94 tour? Short hair Dave? Shitty, shitty shows. Fast forward to the late 90s - long hair Dave. Awesome tours, killer high kicks. Hell he even did some jumps off the drum riser! And his singing was much improved. And just look at this last tour. It's been years since Dave had his magic long hair and now he can't even sing Happy Birthday without screeching like a drunken prom date.

PETE'S BROTHER
01-23-2014, 10:47 AM
the riser was six inches off the ground... :umm:

DONNIEP
01-23-2014, 11:08 AM
the riser was six inches off the ground... :umm:

That's true. But thanks to Dave's Magic Hair he launched himself 37 feet into the air. Now, the height isn't really important. It's the hang time. And on this night, Dave's Magic Hair held him up there at the apex of his flight while the band played Unchained. The entire song.

tojoro
01-23-2014, 11:19 AM
Whether or not Dave's projects fail, I have to give him credit for actually doing something, instead of squandering his time and talent.
As for John 5, I can appreciate his working with as many artists as he has...it's made him all the more versatile and improved his playing.
Loyalty to an artist/band means fuck-all these days...just ask Jason Newstead and Michael Anthony how that worked out for them.
Dave could have very well been the one to advise John to take any offer that comes his way. The guy's resume is pretty impressive.

~T.

Angel
01-23-2014, 11:19 AM
Best I ever heard Dave was 07. His hair was short.

DONNIEP
01-23-2014, 11:31 AM
Best I ever heard Dave was 07. His hair was short.

Ah, but it was longer on top. See, that made all the difference.

PETE'S BROTHER
01-23-2014, 11:34 AM
:pullinghair:

tojoro
01-23-2014, 11:37 AM
Also, there's some fairly strong evidence to Punk guitarists having an influence on rockers adorning their axes.
Here is a thread that shows that Rhoads lifted ideas for two of his guitars from The Cramps Bryan Gregory.
I'm an obvious fan of the guy, but am willing to admit between the two links below clearly show he wasn't very original image-wise.
The Scorpions had the two-tone thing going early on...not sure when they started with the stripes. Maybe with the arrival of Matthias?
Sorry, I've gone way off-topic, here...

~T.

http://www.nobitching.com/phpbb3/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=13293

http://www.nobitching.com/phpbb3/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=8742&start=0&st=0&sk=t&sd=a

PETE'S BROTHER
01-23-2014, 11:42 AM
there was a topic?

DONNIEP
01-23-2014, 12:10 PM
there was a topic?

Yes, Dave's hair. Or lack thereof. It's the only topic that's never been discussed before in the history of the interwebz. Never.

ZahZoo
01-23-2014, 12:48 PM
Dave's hair plugs ain't worth a plugged nickel...

Actually there has been some studies done where people who were quite talented with hunting, tracking and general skills used in the outdoors all of a sudden lost a lot of their natural talent when their hair was cut short. It was determined that subtle air movements and motion perception was directly effected because it was tied to nerve impulses within the scalp... hair being a receptor.

PETE'S BROTHER
01-23-2014, 12:51 PM
Dave's hair plugs ain't worth a plugged nickel...

Actually there has been some studies done where people who were quite talented with hunting, tracking and general skills used in the outdoors all of a sudden lost a lot of their natural talent when their hair was cut short. It was determined that subtle air movements and motion perception was directly effected because it was tied to nerve impulses within the scalp... hair being a receptor.

that went right over my head :biggrin:

Zing!
01-23-2014, 12:59 PM
Are you suggesting the length of Dave's hair and his ability or lack thereof to grow it is directly tied to his fortunes, dwindling in the balding years, surging in the post-plug years?

DONNIEP
01-23-2014, 01:38 PM
Are you suggesting the length of Dave's hair and his ability or lack thereof to grow it is directly tied to his fortunes, dwindling in the balding years, surging in the post-plug years?

That's exactly what I'm suggesting! And the evidence supports it. Just look at the shots of him from his recent interviews - his forehead looks like a melon! And as his hairline recedes his vocal ability diminishes right along with it. All you have to do is listen to the Japan shows. The proof is right there!

ZahZoo
01-23-2014, 01:53 PM
that went right over my head :biggrin:

You're not follically challenged are ya?

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/__cVuE7nOKRM/TT8Swxe3ncI/AAAAAAAABvk/KGUiHeXVLu0/s400/steph_davlantes_01.jpg

PETE'S BROTHER
01-23-2014, 02:01 PM
You're not follically challenged are ya?

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/__cVuE7nOKRM/TT8Swxe3ncI/AAAAAAAABvk/KGUiHeXVLu0/s400/steph_davlantes_01.jpg

oh yes :yo:

Nickdfresh
01-23-2014, 02:55 PM
Fucking hair thread phaggots! can't you finger your own assholes at home?

PETE'S BROTHER
01-23-2014, 03:01 PM
:biggrin:

yes...

DONNIEP
01-23-2014, 03:11 PM
Fucking hair thread phaggots! can't you finger your own assholes at home?

Where else would one finger one's asshole?

Von Halen
01-23-2014, 03:27 PM
can't you finger your own assholes at home?

Guy on Stern the other day said if you are getting pulled over for drunk driving, you should finger your asshole so when they make you do the finger to nose test, you can pass!

ZahZoo
01-23-2014, 03:45 PM
Fucking hair thread phaggots! can't you finger your own assholes at home?

Shouldn't you be somewhere else discussing fucking shoes and perfume..? :rolleyes:

Nickdfresh
01-23-2014, 03:58 PM
Shouldn't you be somewhere else discussing fucking shoes and perfume..? :rolleyes:

Are those the Dave threads at your failed site, old man? No thanks...

ZahZoo
01-23-2014, 04:49 PM
Are those the Dave threads at your failed site, old man? No thanks...

No, I was referring to your fuffy, ladies boutique threads where you and the Little Meathead Princess™ have set up shop and are playing house in Bob's back yard...

Nickdfresh
01-23-2014, 04:52 PM
No, I was referring to your fuffy, ladies boutique threads where you and the Little Meathead Princess™ have set up shop and are playing house in Bob's back yard...

Not really sure what you mean, old chap. Apparently, you've done more reading there than I have. But at least it keeps you from discussing the best Sammy Hagar era live ass-shot at Brett's place, dust farter.

We can always start a thread for you. Like best incontinence adult diaper?..

VetteLS5
01-23-2014, 04:58 PM
Dave's hair plugs ain't worth a plugged nickel...

Actually there has been some studies done where people who were quite talented with hunting, tracking and general skills used in the outdoors all of a sudden lost a lot of their natural talent when their hair was cut short. It was determined that subtle air movements and motion perception was directly effected because it was tied to nerve impulses within the scalp... hair being a receptor.

Kinda like why dogs with long droopy ears are such good trackers.

And per PB... there was a topic?

PETE'S BROTHER
01-23-2014, 04:59 PM
Not really sure what you mean, old chap. Apparently, you've done more reading there than I have. But at least it keeps you from discussing the best Sammy Hagar era live ass-shot at Brett's place, dust farter.

We can always start a thread for you. Like best incontinence adult diaper?..

real cloth diapers...

VetteLS5
01-23-2014, 05:00 PM
Where else would one finger one's asshole?

Please refer to threads dated '12 and '13 containing a certain pub-mogul and swedish meatball. At least one of them mastered the art whilst at work.

PETE'S BROTHER
01-23-2014, 05:03 PM
Please refer to threads dated '12 and '13 containing a certain pub-mogul and swedish meatball. At least one of them mastered the art whilst at work.

:howrude: ;)

ZahZoo
01-23-2014, 05:03 PM
Not really sure what you mean, old chap. Apparently, you've done more reading there than I have. But at least it keeps you from discussing the best Sammy Hagar era live ass-shot at Brett's place, dust farter.

We can always start a thread for you. Like best incontinence adult diaper?..

Don't know what I mean... y'all co-mod and whatever else over there. Don't play coy... or stupid. Sorry I know it's not an act...

There's no Sammy talk at Brett's place... I did see Mr JHale got a picture with his Highness of Striped Guitars up over there. I'll bet he never washes that jacket again where Ed touched his shoulder!!

ZahZoo
01-23-2014, 05:05 PM
real cloth diapers...

My grandkids do diapers... I'm out of that business.

Nickdfresh
01-23-2014, 05:08 PM
Don't know what I mean... y'all co-mod and whatever else over there. Don't play coy... or stupid. Sorry I know it's not an act...

I think I mod a forum involving the 2000's or some shit like that. It's a shame you're such a bitter old man. As Shakespeare once wrote, "Old but not wise."


There's no Sammy talk at Brett's place...

No, just a bunch of your fellow fans of his music...


I did see Mr JHale got a picture with his Highness of Striped Guitars up over there. I'll bet he never washes that jacket again where Ed touched his shoulder!!

Well. I'm pretty sure Ed hadn't washed his hand in an eon, so that would seem fitting!

ZahZoo
01-23-2014, 05:17 PM
Who's bitter? I've never been happier in my life!!

You should get out and about more Nick... Brett's place isn't anything like it was several years ago.

Dave should go see Mrs Van Halen... she's gotten Ed's hair back in Rockin shape.

Terry
01-23-2014, 07:20 PM
$ 50,000 a night was DLR ' s price to promoters for his regular solo shows. Not including the Bad Company & Hagar tours. ( I'm not sure about the particulars on those two tours. )

Casino & festival promoters, as well as other venues hit the jackpot when Dave rolled into town.

The same thing still happens nowdays, with acts like Cheap Trick and Ted Nugent. Tickets usually cost $50 to $70, and the shows draw anywhere from 1000 to 3000 people. The venue earns and keeps all liquor sales.

I'm not talking out of my ass here. Van Halen also has a guarantee amount. They get paid the same no matter how many people show up.

You have NO idea how much of that money they DONT get.

Never mind multiplying the ticket price by the sales on any given night. That has jack shit to do with the band's gross, and EVERYTHING to do with the promoters. Without whom, no touring act, no matter how big, could operate.

I suggestion you read up on the touring business, before assuming such elemental conclusions.

Even though my assumption resulted in an overestimation of Roth's take from a 3,000 seat venue, the fact that the reality was a much lower payday only tends to bolster my elemental conclusion (being that Dave wasn't gonna make millions on the road as a solo act after all the expenses were deducted). I'd agree that it was a bit simplistic to merely multiply seating capacity by ticket price to get a ballpark figure, but frankly I couldn't be bothered to do the research. It's of little import anyway, because even though I did the math wrong, I still got the right answer. :biggrin:

WARF's Vagina
01-23-2014, 08:33 PM
I believe from right after The Skyscraper album until 2007 roth worked at McDonalds.

Edwards3rdWife
01-24-2014, 02:40 PM
David Lee Roth and lazy shouldn't even be in the same sentence.

PETE'S BROTHER
01-24-2014, 02:41 PM
David Lee Roth and lazy shouldn't even be in the same sentence.

you just did one too ;)

vandeleur
01-24-2014, 02:49 PM
Look at it like this , Dave being back in his rightful place as front man of van Halen , touring and releasing an album wiped the history books clean of the van horrible era .
Even if they do fuck all at least they are stopping van Hagar albums from being created ..... Dont say Dave is lazy think of it as Dave saving us from .....
dreams part 2 cabo nights the musical
:D

Edwards3rdWife
01-24-2014, 02:58 PM
Who's bitter? I've never been happier in my life!!

You should get out and about more Nick... Brett's place isn't anything like it was several years ago.

Dave should go see Mrs Van Halen... she's gotten Ed's hair back in Rockin shape.


David's hair always looks good to me. But is there a recent pic of Edward I haven't seen? Because it seems that #2 cares more about her extensions than she does Edward's coif. Which is a damn shame.

Zing!
01-24-2014, 04:10 PM
Look at it like this , Dave being back in his rightful place as front man of van Halen , touring and releasing an album wiped the history books clean of the van horrible era .
Even if they do fuck all at least they are stopping van Hagar albums from being created ..... Dont say Dave is lazy think of it as Dave saving us from .....
dreams part 2 cabo nights the musical
:D

I say old man, that's a damn fine way to look at it.

ZahZoo
01-24-2014, 04:12 PM
Here's one taken this week...

http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p219/CGaijin/Beo8a--CUAAJuve.jpg

Zing!
01-24-2014, 04:18 PM
Who's that guy with the bassist of Chickenfoot?

vandeleur
01-24-2014, 04:22 PM
Is it Ming the merciless photo bombing ed and mike :D

FORD
01-24-2014, 04:36 PM
Here's one taken this week...

http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p219/CGaijin/Beo8a--CUAAJuve.jpg

In an alternative universe, maybe :(

PETE'S BROTHER
01-24-2014, 04:48 PM
Is it Ming the merciless photo bombing ed and mike :D

:nono: kinda :biggrin:

DONNIEP
01-24-2014, 06:11 PM
Here's one taken this week...

http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p219/CGaijin/Beo8a--CUAAJuve.jpg

Excellent work! Now, make one where Mike's slamming his JD bass over that hippy's head...

Zing!
01-24-2014, 09:06 PM
That's exactly what I'm suggesting! And the evidence supports it. Just look at the shots of him from his recent interviews - his forehead looks like a melon! And as his hairline recedes his vocal ability diminishes right along with it. All you have to do is listen to the Japan shows. The proof is right there!

Wait a minute... Wasn't this the thesis for your Master's degree in Cultural Anthropology before you got kicked out of college?

Sensible Shoes
01-24-2014, 09:42 PM
It's funny, I know lots of people who say they love tequila but I never see any of them drinking the stuff. Unless it's in a margarita.

I love tequila, and while I love margaritas, doing shots with lemon and salt is the shit.

ZahZoo
01-24-2014, 11:14 PM
Excellent work! Now, make one where Mike's slamming his JD bass over that hippy's head...

Well I'll shoot straight... and give credit where it's due!! Most of you will never go to Brett's and get a clue anyways...

The original photo where Ed was lifted was actually from our long time Roth Army SoCal resident, media personalty, knucklehead and rock star in his own realm... Jhale...

Someone else photoshopped it... I borrowed it... J will never wash that jacket again!!

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Beo8a--CUAAJuve.jpg:large

Fairwrning
01-24-2014, 11:18 PM
I wont lie..you had me for a sec til I scrolled down

Angel
01-24-2014, 11:29 PM
VHND had it on Facebook, lol...the photoshop, not J.

LoungeMachine
01-25-2014, 12:44 AM
VHND had it on Facebook, lol...the photoshop, not J.

Better than threads about fried pickles and the beiber....

:gulp:

Happy for Jay. Bet that was a killer moment. :)

ZahZoo
01-25-2014, 01:24 AM
Better than threads about fried pickles and the beiber....

:gulp:

Happy for Jay. Bet that was a killer moment. :)

Finally... someone gets it!!!

Why'd it have to be you though..? :) :D

Never mind... common sense isn't crime... it's a virtue!! Thank you!! :thumb:

DONNIEP
01-25-2014, 10:42 AM
Can't deny it, getting your picture made with Eddie is cool. Now, was that mannish wife of his with him?

Fairwrning
01-25-2014, 01:30 PM
Can't deny it, getting your picture made with Eddie is cool. Now, was that mannish wife of his with him?

JHale has a manish wife?:bigwink:

LoungeMachine
01-25-2014, 07:00 PM
JHale has a manish wife?:bigwink:

Haven't you been paying attention?

:gulp:

Obviously it is me. ;)

Nickdfresh
01-25-2014, 08:04 PM
Jhale should really wash that jacket. He doesn't know where those hands have been :frown1: ;)

DONNIEP
01-25-2014, 08:37 PM
Haven't you been paying attention?

:gulp:

Obviously it is me. ;)

What?? I thought you were the overbearing mother-in-law.

:biggrin:

Angel
01-25-2014, 09:39 PM
Haven't you been paying attention?

:gulp:

Obviously it is me. ;)

He said mannish.
:lmao:
Sent from my LG-V905R using Tapatalk 2

Nitro Express
01-26-2014, 04:41 AM
I love tequila, and while I love margaritas, doing shots with lemon and salt is the shit.

i never puked tequila or mezcal but man have I gone on some journey's to paradise slamming it with lime and salt. I've had my best all time drunks on agave based rocket fuel.

Nitro Express
01-26-2014, 04:49 AM
JHale has a manish wife?:bigwink:

Is it the hippie looking dude next to him?

jhale667
01-26-2014, 05:56 PM
Better than threads about fried pickles and the beiber....

:gulp:

Happy for Jay. Bet that was a killer moment. :)


Sure was...

LoungeMachine
01-26-2014, 09:24 PM
He said mannish.
:lmao:
Sent from my LG-V905R using Tapatalk 2

So that would be YOU, then :lmao:

:gulp:

ZahZoo
01-27-2014, 12:07 AM
Where's Dan?

There's clearly a pants down extravaganza he's missing...

Angel
01-27-2014, 07:11 AM
So that would be YOU, then :lmao:

:gulp:

I look a lot of things...mannish isn't one of them. ;)

PETE'S BROTHER
01-27-2014, 09:55 AM
Where's Dan?

There's clearly a pants down extravaganza he's missing...

he's busy

jhale667
01-29-2014, 02:25 AM
A friend in Phoenix told me he saw my pic on the evening news on his local FOX affiliate...the real one, not one of the 'shops.

Angel
01-29-2014, 08:46 AM
A friend in Phoenix told me he saw my pic on the evening news on his local FOX affiliate...the real one, not one of the 'shops.

Crimestoppers doesn't count.;)

VetteLS5
01-29-2014, 12:34 PM
A friend in Phoenix told me he saw my pic on the evening news on his local FOX affiliate...the real one, not one of the 'shops.

Did you contact the FOX affiliate and ask them to stop broadcasting personal information? :behindsofa:

PETE'S BROTHER
01-29-2014, 12:41 PM
Did you contact the FOX affiliate and ask them to stop broadcasting personal information? :behindsofa:

sesh did :biggrin:

jhale667
01-29-2014, 05:14 PM
Did you contact the FOX affiliate and ask them to stop broadcasting personal information? :behindsofa:

No, because the only dick in the picture was me....

cadaverdog
01-29-2014, 05:23 PM
No, because the only dick in the picture was me....
Don't be so hard on yourself. you weren't the only dick in the picture. Seriously that's really cool you got your picture taken with Eddie Van Halen but he's still an asshole for the things he's said about Diamond Dave even if Dave is back in the band now. I'd post the picture of me and Erik Estrada but I wouldn't want to make anyone jealous.

VetteLS5
01-29-2014, 05:48 PM
I'd post the picture of me and Erik Estrada but I wouldn't want to make anyone jealous.

This one?

11547

Angel
01-29-2014, 06:25 PM
No, because the only dick in the picture was me....

BS...there's two dicks in that pic.

cadaverdog
01-29-2014, 06:37 PM
This one?

11547
That's me dressed as Betty Rubble.

Seshmeister
01-29-2014, 08:10 PM
The story I saw described JHale as a 'visitor'.

How fucking insulting is that? I was shouting at my screen - 'He's not a visitor he's a hobbyist and a very keen one!!!'

Angel
01-30-2014, 12:27 AM
The story I saw described JHale as a 'visitor'.

How fucking insulting is that? I was shouting at my screen - 'He's not a visitor he's a hobbyist and a very keen one!!!'

:lmao: I can almost hear it, lol.