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jacksmar
04-03-2014, 11:30 AM
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Charles Koch: I'm Fighting to Restore a Free Society
Instead of welcoming free debate, collectivists engage in character assassination.
I have devoted most of my life to understanding the principles that enable people to improve their lives. It is those principles—the principles of a free society—that have shaped my life, my family, our company and America itself.
Unfortunately, the fundamental concepts of dignity, respect, equality before the law and personal freedom are under attack by the nation's own government. That's why, if we want to restore a free society and create greater well-being and opportunity for all Americans, we have no choice but to fight for those principles. I have been doing so for more than 50 years, primarily through educational efforts. It was only in the past decade that I realized the need to also engage in the political process.
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A truly free society is based on a vision of respect for people and what they value. In a truly free society, any business that disrespects its customers will fail, and deserves to do so. The same should be true of any government that disrespects its citizens. The central belief and fatal conceit of the current administration is that you are incapable of running your own life, but those in power are capable of running it for you. This is the essence of big government and collectivism.
More than 200 years ago, Thomas Jefferson warned that this could happen. "The natural progress of things," Jefferson wrote, "is for liberty to yield and government to gain ground." He knew that no government could possibly run citizens' lives for the better. The more government tries to control, the greater the disaster, as shown by the current health-care debacle. Collectivists (those who stand for government control of the means of production and how people live their lives) promise heaven but deliver hell. For them, the promised end justifies the means.
Instead of encouraging free and open debate, collectivists strive to discredit and intimidate opponents. They engage in character assassination. (I should know, as the almost daily target of their attacks.) This is the approach that Arthur Schopenhauer described in the 19th century, that Saul Alinsky famously advocated in the 20th, and that so many despots have infamously practiced. Such tactics are the antithesis of what is required for a free society—and a telltale sign that the collectivists do not have good answers.
Rather than try to understand my vision for a free society or accurately report the facts about Koch Industries, our critics would have you believe we're "un-American" and trying to "rig the system," that we're against "environmental protection" or eager to "end workplace safety standards." These falsehoods remind me of the late Sen. Daniel Patrick Moynihan's observation, "Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts." Here are some facts about my philosophy and our company:
Koch companies employ 60,000 Americans, who make many thousands of products that Americans want and need. According to government figures, our employees and the 143,000 additional American jobs they support generate nearly $11.7 billion in compensation and benefits. About one-third of our U.S.-based employees are union members.
Koch employees have earned well over 700 awards for environmental, health and safety excellence since 2009, many of them from the Environmental Protection Agency and Occupational Safety and Health Administration. EPA officials have commended us for our "commitment to a cleaner environment" and called us "a model for other companies."
Our refineries have consistently ranked among the best in the nation for low per-barrel emissions. In 2012, our Total Case Incident Rate (an important safety measure) was 67% better than a Bureau of Labor Statistics average for peer industries. Even so, we have never rested on our laurels. We believe there is always room for innovation and improvement.
Far from trying to rig the system, I have spent decades opposing cronyism and all political favors, including mandates, subsidies and protective tariffs—even when we benefit from them. I believe that cronyism is nothing more than welfare for the rich and powerful, and should be abolished.
Koch Industries was the only major producer in the ethanol industry to argue for the demise of the ethanol tax credit in 2011. That government handout (which cost taxpayers billions) needlessly drove up food and fuel prices as well as other costs for consumers—many of whom were poor or otherwise disadvantaged. Now the mandate needs to go, so that consumers and the marketplace are the ones who decide the future of ethanol.
Instead of fostering a system that enables people to help themselves, America is now saddled with a system that destroys value, raises costs, hinders innovation and relegates millions of citizens to a life of poverty, dependency and hopelessness. This is what happens when elected officials believe that people's lives are better run by politicians and regulators than by the people themselves. Those in power fail to see that more government means less liberty, and liberty is the essence of what it means to be American. Love of liberty is the American ideal.
If more businesses (and elected officials) were to embrace a vision of creating real value for people in a principled way, our nation would be far better off—not just today, but for generations to come. I'm dedicated to fighting for that vision. I'm convinced most Americans believe it's worth fighting for, too.
Mr. Koch is chairman and CEO of Koch Industries.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6HVRykXfC8
jacksmar
04-03-2014, 12:23 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qz5w06Naq0c
What does Yankee Rose have to do with Charles KKKoch being a filthy treasonous liar & criminal?
So anyway, back on the topic of the lazy treasonous lying piece of shit who's living off of Joe Stalin's blood money.......
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3lbbbUKfvU
Lies, lies you dirty jezebel
Why, why, why, why don't you go to Hell? http://www.cosgan.de/images/smilie/teufel/d010.gif
http://upload.democraticunderground.com/imgs/2014/140404-charles-koch-whines-about-character-assassination.jpg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6yo2Vrpv5JY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vQFwt3zyNU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iaysTVcounI
Nickdfresh
04-04-2014, 05:33 PM
Some good music videos in this thread :D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZmhOT0LzFs
Thursday, April 3, 2014
An Open Letter Response to Charles Koch
Dear Mr. Koch,
When I read your letter to the American people in the Wall Street Journal, I felt I had to respond. I am not doing this because I think you will actually read these words or that, in the end, this letter will make that much of a difference to you if you do. I had to point out the insult in your opinion piece. I had to do this because, in this age where money now equates to speech, I had to throw as much “free” speech into this conversation as I could.
You, your brother, and others like you represent a huge, ever widening divide in America. In a land whose origins rested on equality and stories of individuals pulling themselves up by their bootstraps to become successful, you represent an affront to the American dream.
In your opinion piece, you reference Thomas Jefferson as a historical perspective to support your views on limited government, in justification of your efforts for a “free America." I offer my counter. On the subject of wealth inequalities, Jefferson wrote;
“I am conscious that an equal division of property is impracticable. But the consequences of this enormous inequality producing so much misery to the bulk of mankind, legislators cannot invent too many devices for subdividing property, only taking care to let their subdivisions go hand in hand with the natural affections of the human mind. Another means of silently lessening the inequality of property is to exempt all from taxation below a certain point, and to tax the higher portions of property in geometrical progression as they rise. Whenever there is in any country, uncultivated lands and unemployed poor, it is clear that the laws of property have been so far extended as to violate natural right. The earth is given as a common stock for man to labor and live on.”
Thomas Jefferson, was writing to James Madison about the gross inequalities of wealth he observed in pre-Revolution France. His observations there led him to realize that the massive accumulation of wealth and gross inequality of its distribution represented a danger to the American people.
You are worth roughly $40 billion, 365 thousand times more than the median American family. You and your brother were born into wealth from your father’s oil company and your grandfather’s railroad and newspaper businesses. Through the efforts of organizations like the CATO institute, the Heritage Fund, and Americans for Prosperity, you hold immense political power and influence. You even hold enough sway that you can elicit the exact type of political mandate on things like climate taxes that you rail against in your op-ed.
The reach of your political network extends to push for massive, ecologically damaging projects for your own benefit like the XL Keystone Pipeline, and derailing mass transit efforts. You are also connected to efforts to limit voting rights, and even corruption. Instead of going into depth on these subjects like I have in the past, I really want you to understand one thing.
In your piece you hail the tenets of, among other things, “equality before the law” but the truth is that there is no equality in America. Those who hold unfathomably massive wealth also hold far more influence on, and have access to, unequal levels of our political infrastructure.
You and your brother are so far removed from the actual American experience that you represent what is wrong with our country and where it is headed. A government run for the interests of the wealthy and the corporations in which they have interest. This Plutocracy that represents your vision of a future filled with “freedom” is so far from the American dream that it is a disgusting insult when you try to press your vision on the rest of us by twisting the words of a founding father.
The Koch name will go down in history as a warning against the oily, slimy influence that corporatists can have on our country. The more the American people become aware of your influence, and the influence of those who have gained from Citizens United and subsequent rulings, the more we will fight you and fight for our future. We will fight for future for all of the American people and not just the 1%.
Posted by Andrew Kornblatt at 8:30 PM (http://www.thegreenprogressive.com/2014/04/an-open-letter-response-to-charles-koch.html)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oKpUPvcJ6SI
Nitro Express
04-05-2014, 02:22 AM
http://upload.democraticunderground.com/imgs/2014/140404-charles-koch-whines-about-character-assassination.jpg
Hey the dude is old. That means he's going to die soon. Damn modern medicine. Dick Cheney is still alive.
Nitro Express
04-05-2014, 02:46 AM
http://youtu.be/wlvYGqi3Dbc
Well since the oligarchs like Koch have bought and consolidated our mass media and it just spews lies and propaganda instead of informative neutral news, they should remake this. "Comrad Koch. Can I kiss you?" Fitting since Comrad Stalin was the Koch family's little buddy. Of course if it was fascist it would be on Fox News. The communist network is MSNBC or that is what they want people to believe. LOL! Fascism is alive and well in the Obama administration. Isn't that right Goldman Sachs and GE?
Off to the debtor labor camp. We are taking your ranch as payment. We are going to frack the hell out of it and contaminate the water table. It will make the fresh water rights we own more valuable in the future.
jacksmar
04-06-2014, 07:34 AM
TURD, Joseph Goebbels would be very proud of the vids/photos you post.
Your continued socialist parroting of the left's agenda to make the public perceive a lie - to make the Koch brothers, as well as other legitimate corporate business entities who are not radically leftist, as big bad boogiemen is banal.
BTW, Washington Post reporter Juliet Eilperin is married to Andrew Light who writes on climate policy for the Center for American Progress.
https://scontent-b-iad.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/t1.0-9/1157678_681761628547990_718091326_n.jpg
Kristy
04-06-2014, 08:48 AM
ABC News and their abysmal "sitcoms" have endless anti-Obama rhetoric
Nickdfresh
04-06-2014, 09:28 AM
TURD, Joseph Goebbels would be very proud of the vids/photos you post.
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Joseph Goebbels would have been sucking the koch, you retard. Along with all the other Nazi douches you have far more in common with than Ford ever will...
Nickdfresh
04-06-2014, 03:57 PM
Harry Reid Hit As 'Brain Dead,' 'Off His Meds' By Conservatives After Koch Criticisms
Posted: 04/04/2014 3:57 pm EDT Updated: 04/04/2014 5:59 pm EDT
WASHINGTON -- Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) has sure touched a nerve.
In recent weeks, the soft-spoken former boxer has been aggressively criticizing Charles and David Koch, the billionaire brothers who have thrown millions into conservative and Republican causes. He's gone so far as to call the Koch brothers' actions "un-American" and accuse the GOP of being "addicted to Koch."
Conservatives have been hitting back and standing up for their benefactors. Charles Koch himself wrote an op-ed in the Wall Street Journal this week saying that his involvement in the political process was simply standing up for "the principles of a free society." Although he never specifically named Reid, Koch went after his critics, writing, "Instead of encouraging free and open debate, collectivists strive to discredit and intimidate opponents. They engage in character assassination."
National Republican Senatorial Campaign Chair Sen. Jerry Moran (R-Kan.) then praised the Koch brothers in the Senate on Thursday and read Charles' op-ed into the congressional record.
Reid has also come under fire from conservatives for going to the Senate floor and calling many of the Obamacare horror stories contained in ads funded by the Koch brothers' network "untrue."
But the criticism of Reid has become increasingly personal -- not just on the Koch issue -- with critics questioning his mental capacity. Some examples:
Sharron Angle, former GOP Senate candidate who lost to Reid in 2010: "There's something going on with Harry Reid's mental state and we need to really be concerned about it. ... He can't remember ... and that's the onset of something more serious, and as you say, there's something mentally going on here, when you can't remember." [Conservative Commandos, 4/3/14]
Bo Dietl, Fox News contributor: "Look at that moron there. That guy from Nevada. Uhhhlll. What's his name there. ... Harry Reid is brain dead. He's trying to talk. He isn't well. You know what? It's time. It's time to put the dog bell ... and put a ticket on him and put him onto the dog track and let him walk around in circles. He's got to be wearing Depends the way he talks because he doesn't remember when he went to the bathroom last." [Fox Business Network, 3/12/14]
Mike Huckabee, former Arkansas governor: "Poor Harry Reid. Either he is off his meds and he clearly needs some assistance immediately -- he needs to be rushed to an emergency room -- or the man is just brazenly unable to tell the truth." [Fox News, 3/29/14]
Rep. Trey Gowdy (R-S.C.): "I didn't think Mormons used drugs. ... I think the longer you stay in political office, the more detached you become from reality." [Mike Gallagher Radio Show, 3/28/14]
Steve Doocy, Fox News host: "It does look like Harry Reid is a very powerful guy who is either -- I read one blog that said he's either having a nervous breakdown or he's simply somebody who lies about lies." [Fox News, 3/28/14]
Watch a compilation of the criticisms of Reid in the video above.
Reid, however, seems to have few regrets about getting into a battle with the Koch brothers and their allies. On Thursday, he said, "Most people here are familiar with the Koch brothers. I've helped make them a little more infamous or famous, and I'm glad I've done that. These two men are a pair of shadowy billionaires spending millions of dollars to rig our political system. And who does it help? Them."
In the 2012 elections, the political network backed by the Kochs raised at least $407 million, according to The Washington Post.
LINK (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/04/04/harry-reid-koch_n_5092685.html?ncid=txtlnkusaolp00000592)
jacksmar
04-06-2014, 05:19 PM
Joseph Goebbels would have been sucking the koch, you retard. Along with all the other Nazi douches you have far more in common with than Ford ever will...
nick denial, you and TURD apparently don't have any context for the IDont Reid meds comparison.
First, A page on Reid’s website is devoted to attacking the Koch where Austan Goolsbee lied in 2010 that Koch Industries does not pay any corporate taxes.
Second, Reid has accepted more than half a million dollars in contributions since 2009 from employees and PAC's of companies under investigation for violations of the Foreign Corrupt Practices Act.
Third, Harvey Whittemore was sent to prison for illegally funneling $130,000 to Reid’s re-election committee.
These types of issues keep the beltway press asking if somethings wrong with the guy. Reid doesn't run again on the dempon ticket until 2016.
nick, pull your head out of TURD's socialist ass and take drive somewhere outside of your affluent Buffalo suburb. Maybe Niagara.
Nickdfresh
04-06-2014, 06:03 PM
nick denial, you and TURD apparently don't have any context for the IDont Reid meds comparison.
First, A page on Reid’s website is devoted to attacking the Koch where Austan Goolsbee lied in 2010 that Koch Industries does not pay any corporate taxes.
Second, Reid has accepted more than half a million dollars in contributions since 2009 from employees and PAC's of companies under investigation for violations of the Foreign Corrupt Practices Act.
Third, Harvey Whittemore was sent to prison for illegally funneling $130,000 to Reid’s re-election committee.
These types of issues keep the beltway press asking if somethings wrong with the guy. Reid doesn't run again on the dempon ticket until 2016.
nick, pull your head out of TURD's socialist ass and take drive somewhere outside of your affluent Buffalo suburb. Maybe Niagara.
Ooooh, someone's Paul Stanley thong is on too tight and riding up their fat asscrack...
Harvey Whittemore used his won money for a funding shortfall which is (or was) completely illegal and Reid did nothing wrong. The other donations were made to candidates of all parties, idiot. And this was the sort of thing he was actually speaking out against. The idea that politicians should be terminal whores to special interests to get elected. If you take most of the money out of politics and reduce the influence of PAC's, then this sort of thing would be a thing of the past...
jacksmar
04-06-2014, 08:14 PM
nick, let this one go. I know for fact you're smarter than you're letting on.
http://www.times-standard.com/statenews/ci_23338233/us-jury-deliberations-near-whittemore-trial
During his testimony, Whittemore recalled the 2007 lunch date when Reid asked for help raising money. "'Do you think you can raise $150,000?'" he said Reid asked.
nick, try to quit imagining me as Paul Stanley. It's a little disconcerting. Find you a new hero like Dick Van Dyke.
Whatever Whittemore did or did not do, it doesn't compare to KKKoch's relationship with Stalin, nor the BCE funding of Hitler and Bin Laden.
Game over, Jerksmear.
Nickdfresh
04-06-2014, 09:19 PM
nick, let this one go. I know for fact you're smarter than you're letting on.
http://www.times-standard.com/statenews/ci_23338233/us-jury-deliberations-near-whittemore-trial
During his testimony, Whittemore recalled the 2007 lunch date when Reid asked for help raising money. "'Do you think you can raise $150,000?'" he said Reid asked.
nick, try to quit imagining me as Paul Stanley. It's a little disconcerting. Find you a new hero like Dick Van Dyke.
I'm pretty sure I'll never mix you and Paul Stanley up....
Did you actually read anything on this? I don't know the particulars but Reid was promised $150K and Whittemore raised most of it legitimately (i.e. legalized corruption of individual donors), there was a shortfall where he used his own money and exceeded his individual donation limit which is where the illegality came in. He went to jail as he should have for it. Reid never said overspend your limit!
Should we let him out of jail now? The Supreme Court says it's okay to buy off politicians under the guise of free speech...
jacksmar
04-06-2014, 10:21 PM
Whatever Whittemore did or did not do, it doesn't compare to KKKoch's relationship with Stalin, nor the BCE funding of Hitler and Bin Laden.
Game over, Jerksmear.
TURD, does the solace you find in collectivism make you aware that you are terribly envious of what you don't have? In other words, why are you so bitter about the successes of others outside your driveway?
Do you at all recognize that government is incapable of creating wealth?
Nickdfresh
04-06-2014, 10:23 PM
TURD, does the solace you find in collectivism make you aware that you are terribly envious of what you don't have? In other words, why are you so bitter about the successes of others outside your driveway?
Do you at all recognize that government is incapable of creating wealth?
Really? It seems to me these politicians are creating a lot of wealth by taking payoffs from corporations. It's a nice investment so companies can just pay salaries and perks and not taxes...
jacksmar
04-06-2014, 10:40 PM
I'm pretty sure I'll never mix you and Paul Stanley up....
Did you actually read anything on this? I don't know the particulars but Reid was promised $150K and Whittemore raised most of it legitimately (i.e. legalized corruption of individual donors), there was a shortfall where he used his own money and exceeded his individual donation limit which is where the illegality came in. He went to jail as he should have for it. Reid never said overspend your limit!
Should we let him out of jail now? The Supreme Court says it's okay to buy off politicians under the guise of free speech...
Only because I'm younger and in better shape than Paul. Although have to admit, weight training has taken me from 183 to 203 lbs. ( I don't know if that's good or bad as it took a year and a half to gain some muscle bulk. Cardio and distance training used to be the way to go, but for now I'm still able to get in 30 miles a week.)
nick, I don't know much about him either but unfortunately guys like him fit the template for the Repukes. Dempons act like it never happens but it goes both ways.
The whole point of Koch having defend anything when for example, Bloomberg bought ads in Colorado, is silly on the surface.
If money is speech fine. Look how much got pissed away on Mitt and McCain.
Locally, Jolly won Bill Young's old seat even though out of state money was pouring in against him. So his message won, I guess. Mark Bircher was the best candidate for my message.
My contention with this is foreign money. The reality is: buy a totally American made car.
Nickdfresh
04-06-2014, 10:55 PM
Only because I'm younger and in better shape than Paul. Although have to admit, weight training has taken me from 183 to 203 lbs. ( I don't know if that's good or bad as it took a year and a half to gain some muscle bulk. Cardio and distance training used to be the way to go, but for now I'm still able to get in 30 miles a week.)
Wow, all that work and you still never see what a vagina looks like in real life...
nick, I don't know much about him either but unfortunately guys like him fit the template for the Repukes. Dempons act like it never happens but it goes both ways.
The whole point of Koch having defend anything when for example, Bloomberg bought ads in Colorado, is silly on the surface.
If money is speech fine. Look how much got pissed away on Mitt and McCain.
Locally, Jolly won Bill Young's old seat even though out of state money was pouring in against him. So his message won, I guess. Mark Bircher was the best candidate for my message.
My contention with this is foreign money. The reality is: buy a totally American made car.
I could give fuckall about who's getting bought off first. The truth is the Koch's are a manipulative poison. If money is speech, why do some get more speech than others?
http://www.opensecrets.org/news/assets_c/2012/10/Cycle%20to%20date%20by%20type2%20with%20logo-thumb-490x376-9201.jpg
The explosion in spending is coupled with a slight decrease, percentage-wise, in the disclosure of the groups' sources of funds. In 2012, like 2010, roughtly half of the money spent thus far has come from sources that either don't disclose or only partially disclose their donors.
https://www.opensecrets.org/news/2012/10/the-october-surprise-majority-of-ou.html
Kristy
04-06-2014, 11:19 PM
Only because I'm younger and in better shape than Paul. Although have to admit, weight training has taken me from 183 to 203 lbs.
Dude, you're 53. You qualify for AARP membership.
Nitro Express
04-07-2014, 03:02 AM
Why all this focus on the Koch brothers? American politics is a matrix of lies. Hell the whole status quo is a matrix of lies. Everyone is a crook. The challenge is finding the people or institutions that are halfway honest.
Why all this focus on the Koch brothers? American politics is a matrix of lies. Hell the whole status quo is a matrix of lies. Everyone is a crook. The challenge is finding the people or institutions that are halfway honest.
Because the KKKoch Brothers are directly responsible for much of that "matrix of lies".
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Koch_Industries
The BCE may have controlled the Repuke presidencies of the last 50 years, but the KKKochs have been eclipsing their influence. And obviously, on some areas, like anything to do with the oil energy, they would have been in collusion anyway. They are definitely controlling the "message" of the Republican party right now. And through their infiltration into the Democratic party through the infection formerly known as the "DLC" (now calling itself "Third Way") they have far too much influence on the party which once saved this country from the likes of these fascist shitbags after they caused the last Great Depression.
jacksmar
04-07-2014, 07:00 AM
Wow, all that work and you still never see what a vagina looks like in real life...
I could give fuckall about who's getting bought off first. The truth is the Koch's are a manipulative poison. If money is speech, why do some get more speech than others?
http://www.opensecrets.org/news/assets_c/2012/10/Cycle%20to%20date%20by%20type2%20with%20logo-thumb-490x376-9201.jpg
The explosion in spending is coupled with a slight decrease, percentage-wise, in the disclosure of the groups' sources of funds. In 2012, like 2010, roughtly half of the money spent thus far has come from sources that either don't disclose or only partially disclose their donors.
https://www.opensecrets.org/news/2012/10/the-october-surprise-majority-of-ou.html
Ask Tom and Jim Steyer.
Nickdfresh
04-07-2014, 11:15 AM
Ask Tom and Jim Steyer.
Really? Is that you're answer? "But, but, but the Democrats have done in too!!" I give fuckall to ask anyone! Ban large monetary donations and drastically shorten the election cycle to minimize the need for advert money. That's how you prevent politicians from blowing everyone for ca$h and presidential candidates from spending the equivalent of some countries' GNP every four years...
Never heard of the Steyers before, so I had to look them up. They do appear to be somewhat wealthy, but the only "Democrats" mentioned in association with them are Hillary Clinton, Terry McUseless, and Cory Booker.
So in other words...... they too are Republicans, funding right wing candidates. They just prefer the false "Democrats" over the batshit crazy teabaggers.
jacksmar
04-07-2014, 03:03 PM
Really? Is that you're answer? "But, but, but the Democrats have done in too!!" I give fuckall to ask anyone! Ban large monetary donations and drastically shorten the election cycle to minimize the need for advert money. That's how you prevent politicians from blowing everyone for ca$h and presidential candidates from spending the equivalent of some countries' GNP every four years...
That is next to the dumbest thing posted here, first being everything turd ever posted. BTW, the Steyer bros own the dirtiest coal plant in Indonesia.
The donations issue has been settled. I don't give a fuck off either. You and the rest of the commie libs are pissed because the court respects the constitutional rights of individuals to decide how many to support. Not who you want to support.
The top 20 all time political money contributors are nearly ALL heavily democrat with 12 out of the 20 unions. This ruling may level the playing field which is why the shit stain dempons hate the ruling.
Fuck the meds; you guys are more like staggering drunk winos.
That is next to the dumbest thing posted here, first being everything turd ever posted. BTW, the Steyer bros own the dirtiest coal plant in Indonesia.
Further evidence that they have no interest in TRUE Democratic policies....
The donations issue has been settled. I don't give a fuck off either. You and the rest of the commie libs are pissed because the court respects the constitutional rights of individuals to decide how many to support. Not who you want to support.
Corporations are not people. Money is not speech. Technically speaking, it's not even money. Federal Reserve Notes have no constitutional rights. And the fans of Joe Stalin funded manipulation have no business calling anybody a "commie lib".
The top 20 all time political money contributors are nearly ALL heavily democrat with 12 out of the 20 unions. This ruling may level the playing field which is why the shit stain dempons hate the ruling.
Have a source for that info? Preferably one NOT funded & controlled by the KKKoch brothers?
Fuck the meds; you guys are more like staggering drunk winos.
Nah, I prefer beer :gulp: And I'm never staggering drunk this early in the day.
jacksmar
04-07-2014, 04:11 PM
And TURD speaks again from the pages of super genius:
Ross C. "Rocky" Anderson
What does the best Presidential candidate in the 2012 election have to do with this thread, Jerksmear?
jacksmar
04-07-2014, 05:53 PM
What does the best Presidential candidate in the 2012 election have to do with this thread, Jerksmear?
TURD, you really are a tard.
Rocky the best Presidential candidate in the 2012 election.org
An end to the legal concept of corporate "personhood," a constitutional amendment to overrule Citizens United.
Turd, You are sooooooooo predictable.
Go next and be sure to use : BCE, KKK, Stalin, Nazi, Hitler, Chimpy, Darth Vader, facist, bigot, homophone, xenophone, racist, imperialist, assault weapons, single payer, Patriot Act, greedy, misogynist, Economic justice, social justice, & environmental justice.
If you can't get any of your usual tripe and blather posted get your nick or satan to do it.
BTW, money talks.
jacksmar
04-07-2014, 05:56 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GqxaCG9PBOs
Just a reminder to Jerksmear that this thread is about a treasonous lying piece of shit America hating billionaire scumbag whose daddy funded a hate group with Josef Stalin's blood money.
It's not about Paul Stanley, Rocky Anderson, or some pathetic VH wannabe hair band from the 80s.
ELVIS
04-07-2014, 07:05 PM
Just a reminder to Jerksmear that this thread is about a treasonous lying piece of shit America hating billionaire scumbag whose daddy funded a hate group with Josef Stalin's blood money.
Did MSNBC tell you that ??
Or RT maybe ??
Or Dumbocratic underwear ??
Tell me what?
That the KKKoch fortune came from Josef Stalin?
Not even the KKKochs themselves bother denying that. Hell, at least they admit their fortune came from a dictator (as opposed to the BCE denial of their ties to Hitler)
Nickdfresh
04-07-2014, 07:47 PM
...
BTW, money talks.
Right. And stupid people like you suck up all the bullshit propaganda funded by it and enthusiastically vote against your own interests, cumsmar...
ELVIS
04-07-2014, 08:21 PM
Tell me what?
That the KKKoch fortune came from Josef Stalin?
Not even the KKKochs themselves bother denying that. Hell, at least they admit their fortune came from a dictator (as opposed to the BCE denial of their ties to Hitler)
Blah blah blah, dude...
Whatever...
jacksmar
04-07-2014, 08:46 PM
Just a reminder to Jerksmear that this thread is about a treasonous lying piece of shit America hating billionaire scumbag whose daddy funded a hate group with Josef Stalin's blood money.
It's not about Paul Stanley, Rocky Anderson, or some pathetic VH wannabe hair band from the 80s.
Right, turd.
New York-Presbyterian Hospital - $100 million donation.
I can't wait to see you match this. A self important, pathetic, insignificant simp such as yourself, and others here, will NEVER be able to donate that amount. Or more.
Because, money talks.
(can anyone imagine the Fuck Off Ray Daniels wing off a children's burn unit?)
jacksmar
04-07-2014, 08:55 PM
Right. And stupid people like you suck up all the bullshit propaganda funded by it and enthusiastically vote against your own interests, cumsmar...
How's that again? You're the typical asshole that votes for the the Kenyan Houseboy and other socialists willing to put ideology above and beyond self interests.
You know how many socialists bought your vote, nick denial?
All of them.
Nickdfresh
04-07-2014, 09:31 PM
How's that again? You're the typical asshole that votes for the the Kenyan Houseboy and other socialists willing to put ideology above and beyond self interests.
Calling a moderate, even right of center president a "socialist" pretty much shows you never have been in a college classroom --except maybe as a test subject...
You know how many socialists bought your vote, nick denial?
All of them.
I dunno, I've never voted for the Socialist Workers Party, actually, cumsmear. Good job red-masturbating...
ODShowtime
04-07-2014, 09:42 PM
Good lord this is just a sad discussion.
jacksmar
04-08-2014, 06:18 AM
Calling a moderate, even right of center president a "socialist" pretty much shows you never have been in a college classroom --except maybe as a test subject...
I dunno, I've never voted for the Socialist Workers Party, actually, cumsmear. Good job red-masturbating...
Where would your beloved Kenyan Houseboy fit in nick denial? Is he, say, a tory?
No, just like you and turd, he falls into line as a Tony Benn socialist. Once again, a wasted comparison on those that voted for ubama. Simps and blaggards.
Nickdfresh
04-08-2014, 10:19 AM
Where would your beloved Kenyan Houseboy fit in nick denial? Is he, say, a tory?
He's exactly that!
No, just like you and turd, he falls into line as a Tony Benn socialist. Once again, a wasted comparison on those that voted for ubama. Simps and blaggards.
Dude, seriously? Just mindless "Kenyan Houseboy" rhetoric?
https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3808/13681119424_a0724118d5_o.jpg
Turns out the KKKochs are even making money from "Obamacare".... and STILL claim to oppose it like the fucking hypocrites they are....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQlsmdlk2As
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=scMC577lNTU
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-l9yP_SOkET4/Uq0A_PWam5I/AAAAAAACr1I/iZo-ALK6tws/s1600/koch+family.jpg
Tennant Calls Conservative Group's Voter Registration Mailing "Misleading"
Reported: Apr. 22, 2014 7:45 PM EDT
Updated: Apr. 22, 2014 11:07 PM EDT
EYEWITNESS NEWS (http://wchstv.com/newsroom/eyewitness/140422_24865.shtml)
http://wchstv.com/newsroom/eyewitness/i/140422_24865_640.jpg
CHARLESTON, W.Va. (AP, Heath Harrison) -- The West Virginia secretary of state is calling an Americans for Prosperity mailing about voter registration "misleading" and "confusing."
The mailer says the recipient only has a few days to register to vote at his or her current address. It includes a voter registration card and prepaid envelope.
Democratic Secretary of State Natalie Tennant said people have to update their registration only if they move, change their name, or want to switch political parties. Tennant said legitimate contact will only come from county election clerks, not third-party groups.
“If you have not moved, changed your name, or switched political parties, then you should throw this mailer into the trash because your voter registration is still valid,” Tennant said in a news release. “We were made aware of this situation because there was a large number of confused citizens calling our office and the offices of county clerks asking questions about why they had to update their voter registration information. The secretary of state’s office did not send this mailer, and it did not come from county clerks. We don’t know what the purpose of the mailer is but we do know that it is confusing citizens.”
Americans for Prosperity state director Wendy McCuskey said the mailer was sent to people who aren't registered, based on public record. She said it was legal and nonpartisan.
The small-government Americans for Prosperity opened a West Virginia chapter in January. The national organization was founded by billionaire conservative activists Charles and David Koch, who are well-known for the political spending and campaign contributions for conservative and Republican causes.
....on the subject of voting.......
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WPsl_TuFdes
Weyrich is now dead and burning in Hell, but it appears that Chuck and Davie are still following his game plan.
As well as that of their daddy's old pal, Uncle Joe.....
http://www.votefraud.org/stalin_voting.jpg
jacksmar
04-23-2014, 07:28 AM
http://1-ps.googleusercontent.com/h/www.powerlineblog.com/admin/ed-assets/2014/04/435x600xSchumer01-435x600.jpg.pagespeed.ic._5QEYqgdmJ.jpg
Thank you so much for the generous KOCHPAC contribution to my 2010 campaign.....
Money talks.
ELVIS
04-23-2014, 08:12 AM
That's obviously a KKKoch Photoshop...
:biggrin:
That's obviously a KKKoch Photoshop...
:biggrin:
Well, since Jerksmear got it from a neocon shitbag blog called "powerline", that's always possible.
But Schumer is the "Senator from Wall $treet", so it really wouldn't surprise me. He's a true DINO.
Not that Schumer himself had anything to do with writing the letter, of course. That's obviously a mail merge form letter, signed by an auto-pen. The exact same letter was sent to all of his contributors, most likely. Maybe AIPAC got a personal letter, since he's a huge supporter of those fucking tools.
ELVIS
04-23-2014, 04:52 PM
Regardless...
People like the Koch Brothers fund both left and right interests and so does George Soros and the rest of the people with money...
You try to paint everything one sided...
The KKKoch Brothers do not fund anything remotely "left".
They did fund the "Democratic Leadership Council (DLC) who were neither Democrats, nor leaders, and were not remotely "left". The DLC supposedly no longer exists, but in reality they rebranded themselves under the name "Third Way" and the KKKochs rebranded their funding of it as "The Georgia Pacific Foundation". But there's still nothing remotely "left" about it.
As for George Soros, he's probably to the left of the KKKochs (99% of humanity is) but his alleged funding of anything remotely "liberal" has been greatly exaggerated. Air America, for example, is something he never had any involvement with whatsoever. Let's face it, if his money had been on board, they probably would still be in business. As far as I know, he's given some money to Media Matters and to the ACLU, both of which obviously existed long before he was around. So to say he "controls" them would be a huge exaggeration.
Here's the list of what old George is involved in....
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_projects_supported_by_George_Soros
You will notice it's a much shorter list than the KKKochs.
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Koch_Brothers
Nitro Express
04-23-2014, 10:13 PM
Come on Koch. Dance with me!
Joe Stalin's Kremlin Dance Party - soon to be the hottest TV show on MTV Hell.
You should send that to Satan.
ELVIS
04-24-2014, 10:24 AM
Let's compare Koch spending to other groups...
http://www.ijreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/BkO_3xsCQAE246K.jpg?f7f139
:elvis:
ELVIS
04-24-2014, 10:27 AM
Notice how it's mostly business in the red and mostly bullshit in the blue ??
Satan
04-29-2014, 11:19 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJ7kicDM6yI
Satan
04-30-2014, 02:49 PM
Pro-oil ‘citizens group’ flip flops on its robo-calling of BC voters
British Columbians for Prosperity admits to polling about resource development and how people will vote federally. The society said it is funded by corporations, but won't disclose which ones.
Mychaylo Prystupa
Posted: Apr 29th, 2014
A pro-oil and resource-development group called “British Columbians for Prosperity” (BC4P) did an about-face Tuesday, after it was asked to respond to claims that it was polling Vancouver residents about federal voting intentions, and the Northern Gateway pipeline.
After some probing, the group revealed it is now polling more than 1,000 residents, province-wide with robocalls.
But that was not the story to begin with.
The self-described “citizens group” -- which says it is “not a political organization” -- originally told the Vancouver Observer it was not asking residents about their political party affiliations. However, several residents reported otherwise.
“If an election were held today, who would you vote for?” Vancouver resident Neal Jennings recalled being asked by a computerized telephone voice on Monday.
“Then… they explicitly said the leader of the parties – it was Stephen Harper, Justin Trudeau, Elizabeth May, and Thomas Mulcair,” he said.
The group’s executive director – retired oil executive Bruce Lounds – vehemently denied the voter polling when asked about it early Tuesday morning.
“That’s absolutely not true. I can tell you that flat out,” said Lounds. “We’re polling about Northern Gateway and general resource development. It’s for our own internal use, to develop campaigns, or to provide information to people.”
But by Tuesday afternoon, when asked to explain the difference in stories, the group’s communications representative – Alise Mills – sent an e-mail stating:
“We also asked about people’s voting intention – if an election were held today which party they would vote for.”
“We think there is a myth that development is a left-wing versus right-wing issue – and we wanted to dig into this,” wrote Mills.
“Canadians and British Columbians like natural resource development. They just are not 100 per cent [supportive] on Northern Gateway."
Ironically, Public Relations juggernaut Jim Hoggan received one of the robo-calls.
“Yeah – one of those things came up on my cell phone,” laughed Hoggan.
Jim Hoggan Climate Cover Up Author
The Vancouver-based author wrote a well-known book on PR tactics employed by big oil companies to deny climate change. He said British Columbians for Prosperity appears to be an industry front group.
“If you don’t think it’s a front group for industry, then you’re not paying much attention,” he said.
Hoggan added he was surprised that such a group would poll about voting intentions.
“This is the kind of stuff we wrote about in Climate Cover Up that has been fine tuned by right-wing American think tanks.”
“Just as you can pollute the natural environment – you can pollute public conversations. It undermines public trust in public discourse. It’s just polarizing for the sake of partisanship."
The registered society – originally named British Columbians for International Prosperity – positions itself as an "independent group of concerned citizens" advocating for resource development to improve the standard of living.
British Columbians for Prosperity website Follow the Money - Vancouver Observer
Its main “Follow the Money Trail” message on its websites is that environmental groups cannot be trusted on resource polices (on such topics as pipelines and tankers) because such organizations are funded by “rich American foundations.”
The argument goes, environmentalists are inadvertently drumming up opposition to Canada’s oil sands to protect U.S. economic interests.
It's a similar position taken by pro-oil group Ethical Oil and federal Conservative cabinet ministers, such as Joe Oliver. Ethical Oil was founded by Alykhan Velshi, a former staffer for cabinet minister Jason Kenney. The organization came under scrutiny recently for having numerous spokespeople with ties to the Conservative Party of Canada.
In the case of British Columbians for Prosperity, Mills said she has never worked for the Conservative Party. However, the society has some Tory links. Its communications manager, Brittany Allison, formerly worked in Prime Minister Stephen Harper's office as a policy researcher.
“We’re not a political organization, but probably if you looked through our membership, most of the people would not be NDP members," said Lounds.
“Part of the reason I got involved in this is myself and other friends in the community – we’ve got young adult children, and a lot of them are struggling, trying to find jobs. You just need prosperity, you need development,” he added.
Secret corporate funding
But British Columbians for Prosperity is not just a group of citizens. It is funded by undisclosed corporations.
“It’s [funded by] a combination of private citizens and corporate donations. All the donors request anonymity,” Lounds told the Vancouver Observer.
Lounds, who formerly worked for British Petroleum (BP) and Houston-based ConocoPhillips, would not disclose any of its confidential corporate backers or whether they were Canadian, foreign, or if Enbridge was one of them.
But Mills later downplayed the executive director's statements regarding funding, saying he is no longer one of the key decision makers in the group. She added, that she is, along with a Board of Directors. She said she would eventually disclose the board's names and full budget.
While the group has been criticized in national media as a front for “big-money oil companies”, Mills asserts the organization is remarkably low-funded, with only two staff.
British Columbia is gaining strategic importance for getting oil sands bitumen out of Alberta. The Obama White House recently delayed "indefinitely" its approval of the Keystone XL pipeline. Analysts say this will only increase pressure for Canada to build pipelines to the coastlines.
British Columbians for Prosperity's YouTube videos feature actors and well-shot scenes about energy conversations. One especially well-viewed video depicts an "environmentalist" coming to the realization that he depends on oil too, in order to maintain his standard of living.
ELVIS
04-30-2014, 02:52 PM
You forgot the link to that propaganda...
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