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  • ELVIS
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    • Dec 2003
    • 44120

    Swiss to vote on $25 an hour minimum wage

    GENEVA, Switzerland – A vote on Sunday to establish a minimum wage of $25 an hour would make mostly immigrants here in agriculture, housekeeping, and catering among the world's highest paid unskilled workforce.



    The vote comes after hundreds of fast-food workers walked off their jobs in many U.S. cities and in more than 30 countries on Thursday in a protest for higher wages. If the Swiss proposal passes, the country would have the highest minimum wage in the world.

    But some who would be eligible for the higher wage worry that it may do more harm than good.

    Luisa Almeida is an immigrant from Portugal who works in Switzerland as a housekeeper and nanny. Almeida's earnings of $3,250 a month are below the proposed minimum wage but still much more than she'd make in Portugal.

    Since she is not a Swiss citizen, she cannot vote but if she could, "I would vote 'no'," she says.

    "If my employer had to pay me more money, he wouldn't be able to keep me on and I'd lose the job."

    Almeida's concern illustrates the dilemma that faces the movement to have governments and not the market decide how much people should be paid at a minimum.

    Forcing employers to hike wages means they must cut expenses to accommodate the higher labor costs. That often means less hiring, or some firing.

    But Patrick Belser, Senior Economist in the Wage Group of the International Labor Office in Geneva says the initiative could work.

    "International experience has shown that minimum wages can prevent labor exploitation without any negative effect on the economy," he said.

    Yet, Besler worries that a minimum wage of $4,500 a month "is probably a little too high.

    "If it is accepted, the effects on employment would have to be carefully monitored, and a mechanism for social dialogue should be created to discuss its effects and possible future adjustments of the rate," he said.

    Currently, Switzerland does not have a minimum wage law. Industry-specific pay scales are determined by employment contracts or collective bargaining agreements between employers and trade unions. However, 90% of Swiss workers earn well above the proposed minimum and are already among the highest paid in the world.

    According to government statistics, the average household income in Switzerland is about $6,800 a month; in the USA, where the minimum wage is currently $7.25 an hour, the average household monthly income is roughly $4,300, Census Bureau figures indicate.

    Referendums are a unique feature of Switzerland's unique brand of social democracy, which gives citizens the power to shape policy over the government. Any individual or group can challenge existing legislation or force a vote on a new issue by collecting 100,000 signatures on a petition.

    As in America, the issue of minimum income is controversial in Switzerland, too, pitting employers against trade unions and left-wing parties, which sponsored the proposal. And many of the "pro" and "con" arguments are similar as well.

    Opponents of the initiative say a law regulating minimum wages would be detrimental to Switzerland's thriving economy because businesses might cut existing jobs or not hire new employees. At 3.2%, Switzerland's unemployment rate is among the lowest globally.

    "This measure would eliminate a big number of low-skill jobs performed by the very workers the legislation is supposed to help," former trade union economist Beat Kappeler says. "It would be damaging in quantitative and qualitative ways."

    "A minimum wage of 4,000 francs could lead to job cuts and even threaten the existence of smaller companies, notably in retail, catering, agriculture and housekeeping." Swiss Economics Minister Johann Schneider-Ammann told the local media recently. "If jobs are being cut, the weakest suffer most."

    A recent poll by gfs.bern research institute shows that 64% of those surveyed are against the proposal. In past referendums on proposals from the left, the Swiss have been of two minds.

    Last year Switzerland passed a measure to curb "excessive" bonuses for executive, but months later in another referendum the country voted down a proposal to reduce the income gap between lowest and highest salaries even though polls predicted the measure would pass.


  • Kristy
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    • Aug 2004
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    #2
    Fuck you, Ayn Rand Society.

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    • FORD
      ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

      • Jan 2004
      • 58755

      #3
      Meanwhile, back in the country formerly known as "The land of the free", corporations are now not only people, but religious people. And how do these religious corporate people practice their professed beliefs?



      Yeah, I'd say the Swiss are more likely to get into Heaven, if you actually read the gospels......
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      • ELVIS
        Banned
        • Dec 2003
        • 44120

        #4
        I'm pretty sure it doesn't say that, FROD...

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        • Nickdfresh
          SUPER MODERATOR

          • Oct 2004
          • 49127

          #5
          Oh God! It's spreading! The living wage! Pretty soon we're going to be destitute hellholes like that third world swamp Switzerland! Pray to Jesus!

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          • FORD
            ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

            • Jan 2004
            • 58755

            #6
            Originally posted by ELVIS
            I'm pretty sure it doesn't say that, FROD...
            Oh yeah??

            1 Timothy 5:18

            New International Version (NIV)

            18 For Scripture says, “Do not muzzle an ox while it is treading out the grain,” and “The worker deserves his wages.”
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            • DONNIEP
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              • Mar 2004
              • 13390

              #7
              I hope the US raises the minimum wage to 25 bucks. Man, just think how that would boost the economy! Before long everybody would be a millionaire! Which would be a good thing, because you'd need a fucking truck load of cash to buy groceries...
              American by birth. Southern by the grace of God.

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              • DONNIEP
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                • Mar 2004
                • 13390

                #8
                Originally posted by ELVIS
                "A minimum wage of 4,000 francs could lead to job cuts and even threaten the existence of smaller companies, notably in retail, catering, agriculture and housekeeping."
                Who gives a fuck if a high minimum wage kills all the retail and agriculture jobs. We can just eat money!
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                • FORD
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                  • Jan 2004
                  • 58755

                  #9
                  Walmart killed all the retail jobs, and Monsatan killed all the agriculture jobs. So it's a little late to worry about that.
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                  • cadaverdog
                    ROTH ARMY SUPREME
                    • Aug 2007
                    • 8958

                    #10
                    Originally posted by FORD
                    Walmart killed all the retail jobs, and Monsatan killed all the agriculture jobs. So it's a little late to worry about that.
                    Depends on where you live I guess. In the Antelope Valley , the northernmost part of L A county the largest employer of any kind is probably Walmart. Walmart's not the best place to work but it's better than no place to work. A few of the smaller stores went out of business when they came to town but there's alot more local jobs up there now thanks to Walmart. Walmart brought Home Depot to town and Loews followed. Before that we had one K Mart and one Builders Emporium. Now they have 4 Super Walmarts, 1 Sam's club, 2 Home Depots and 2 Loews.
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                    • Nitro Express
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                      • Aug 2004
                      • 32798

                      #11
                      Originally posted by cadaverdog
                      Depends on where you live I guess. In the Antelope Valley , the northernmost part of L A county the largest employer of any kind is probably Walmart. Walmart's not the best place to work but it's better than no place to work. A few of the smaller stores went out of business when they came to town but there's alot more local jobs up there now thanks to Walmart. Walmart brought Home Depot to town and Loews followed. Before that we had one K Mart and one Builders Emporium. Now they have 4 Super Walmarts, 1 Sam's club, 2 Home Depots and 2 Loews.
                      It depends on what you do for Walmart. I hear they are good to drive for. I know a guy who gave up being an independent trucker because by the time you have the rig paid off it's worn out. You are always in debt. So he hired on with Walmart and he likes that better. He's happy with what they are paying him and he has a lot less to worry about.

                      That being said, I still think Walmart sucks.
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                      • FORD
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                        • Jan 2004
                        • 58755

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Nitro Express
                        It depends on what you do for Walmart. I hear they are good to drive for. I know a guy who gave up being an independent trucker because by the time you have the rig paid off it's worn out. You are always in debt. So he hired on with Walmart and he likes that better. He's happy with what they are paying him and he has a lot less to worry about.

                        That being said, I still think Walmart sucks.
                        Ask your friend when Walmart's going to give him one of their new "Stormtrooper" hybrid trucks......



                        I still think the company is evil as fuck, for the most part. But those rigs are impressive.
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                        • Nitro Express
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                          • Aug 2004
                          • 32798

                          #13
                          The new rigs have automatic transmissions. You no longer jam gears. Ah WalFart will can his ass and use an automated GPS system to drive the truck like a drone.
                          No! You can't have the keys to the wine cellar!

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                          • cadaverdog
                            ROTH ARMY SUPREME
                            • Aug 2007
                            • 8958

                            #14
                            Originally posted by FORD

                            I still think the company is evil as fuck, for the most part. But those rigs are impressive.
                            I don't think the company itself is evil but alot of the store managers are. They get bonuses for keeping labor costs low and profits high. If they're too greedy there's usually alot of pissed off employees at the meetings with corporate and they shit can the manager. Most of the people I worked with had been there for years and were making decent money considering most of them stocked shelves or took care of inventory. Not exactly what you'd call skilled labor.
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                            • cadaverdog
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                              • Aug 2007
                              • 8958

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Nitro Express
                              The new rigs have automatic transmissions. You no longer jam gears. Ah WalFart will can his ass and use an automated GPS system to drive the truck like a drone.
                              A lot of new trucks do but some companies still use trucks with manual transmissions. My nieces soon to be ex husband works for a trucking company out of Ft Worth. All their trucks still have manual transmissions. The automatics are alot more expensive to maintain, repair and replace.
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