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  • Seshmeister
    ROTH ARMY WEBMASTER

    • Oct 2003
    • 35198

    Clinton Might Not Be the Nominee

    Ooof!


    Clinton Might Not Be the Nominee





    There is now more than a theoretical chance that Hillary Clinton may not be the Democratic nominee for president.

    How could that happen, given that her nomination has been considered a sure thing by virtually everyone in the media and in the party itself? Consider the possibilities.

    The inevitability behind Mrs. Clinton’s nomination will be in large measure eviscerated if she loses the June 7 California primary to Bernie Sanders. That could well happen.
    Opinion Journal Video
    Hoover Institution Research Fellow Bill Whalen on the latest Golden State poll and the implications for next week's presidential primary. Photo credit: Getty Images.

    A recent PPIC poll shows Mrs. Clinton with a 2% lead over Mr. Sanders, and a Fox News survey found the same result. Even a narrow win would give him 250 pledged delegates or more—a significant boost. California is clearly trending to Mr. Sanders, and the experience in recent open primaries has been that the Vermont senator tends to underperform in pre-election surveys and over-perform on primary and caucus days, thanks to the participation of new registrants and young voters.

    To this end, data from mid-May show that there were nearly 1.5 million newly registered Democratic voters in California since Jan. 1. That’s a 218% increase in Democratic voter registrations compared with the same period in 2012, a strongly encouraging sign for Mr. Sanders.

    A Sanders win in California would powerfully underscore Mrs. Clinton’s weakness as a candidate in the general election. Democratic superdelegates—chosen by the party establishment and overwhelmingly backing Mrs. Clinton, 543-44—would seriously question whether they should continue to stand behind her candidacy.

    There is every reason to believe that at the convention Mr. Sanders will offer a rules change requiring superdelegates to vote for the candidate who won their state’s primary or caucus. A vote on that proposed change would almost certainly occur—and it would function as a referendum on the Clinton candidacy. If Mr. Sanders wins California, Montana and North Dakota on Tuesday and stays competitive in New Jersey, he could well be within 200 pledged delegates of Mrs. Clinton, making a vote in favor of the rules change on superdelegates more likely.

    Another problem: In recent weeks the perception that Mrs. Clinton would be the strongest candidate against Donald Trump has evaporated. The Real Clear Politics polling average has Mrs. Clinton in a statistical tie with Mr. Trump, and recent surveys from ABC News/Washington Post and Fox News show her two and three points behind him, respectively.

    Then there is that other crack in the argument for Mrs. Clinton’s inevitability: Bernie Sanders consistently runs stronger than she does against Mr. Trump nationally, beating him by about 10 points in a number of recent surveys.

    The worries about Mr. Sanders’s strength have stirred the beginnings of a capitulation to him—by the Clinton camp, in league with the Democratic National Committee—at the convention. To placate him, they have already granted Mr. Sanders greater influence over the party platform. Two divisive figures, Cornel West and Rep. Keith Ellison, have been added to the platform committee, ensuring that the party will be pulled further left. In addition to putting Mr. Sanders’s socialist nostrums on display, the platform negotiations are likely to spur an ugly fight over the U.S. relationship with Israel.

    Mrs. Clinton also faces growing legal problems. The State Department inspector general’s recent report on Mrs. Clinton’s use of a private email server while she was secretary of state made it abundantly clear that she broke rules and has been far from forthright in her public statements. The damning findings buttressed concerns within the party that Mrs. Clinton and her aides may not get through the government’s investigation without a finding of culpability somewhere.

    With Mrs. Clinton reportedly soon to be interviewed by the FBI, suggesting that the investigation is winding up, a definitive ruling by the attorney general could be issued before the July 25 Democratic convention in Philadelphia. Given the inspector general’s report, a clean bill of health from the Justice Department is unlikely.

    Finally, with Mrs. Clinton’s negative rating nearly as high as Donald Trump’s, and with voters not trusting her by a ratio of 4 to 1, Democrats face an unnerving possibility. Only a month or two ago, they were relishing the prospect of a chaotic Republican convention, with a floor fight and antiestablishment rebellion in the air. Now the messy, disastrous convention could be their own.

    There are increasing rumblings within the party about how a new candidate could emerge at the convention. John Kerry, the 2004 nominee, is one possibility. But the most likely scenario is that Vice President Joe Biden—who has said that he regrets “every day” his decision not to run—enters the race.

    Mr. Biden would be cast as the white knight rescuing the party, and the nation, from a possible Trump presidency. To win over Sanders supporters, he would likely choose as his running mate someone like Sen. Elizabeth Warren who is respected by the party’s left wing.

    Where is President Obama in all this? So far he has largely stayed out of the campaign, other than to say that he doesn’t believe Mrs. Clinton compromised national security with her home-brew email server. But with her poll numbers dropping, her legal headaches increasing, the Sanders candidacy showing renewed vigor, and Donald Trump looming as a wrecking ball for the president’s legacy, Mr. Obama and adviser Valerie Jarrett might begin sending signals to the Democratic National Committee and to the vice president that a Biden rescue operation wouldn’t displease the White House.

    All of these remain merely possibilities. But it is easier now than ever to imagine a scenario in which Hillary Clinton—whether by dint of legal or political circumstances—is not the Democratic presidential nominee.

    Mr. Schoen served as a political adviser and pollster for President Bill Clinton, 1994-2000.
  • Satan
    ROTH ARMY ELITE
    • Jan 2004
    • 6664

    #2
    Bottom line is that Hillcunt has a very serious problem defeating Drumpf in the General Election even without her legal issues. Bernie is a much better candidate. If the "Democratic" establishment insists on forcing the weakest possible nominee - as they did with Judas IsKerryot in 2004, then they deserve what they get as a result, which will include many of the so-called "superdelegates" losing their own jobs.

    If repeating the 2004 strategy is awful, repeating the 1968 strategy is even worse, and Joe Biden is old enough to remember how that worked out. I doubt he has any interest in being the Hubert Humphrey of 2016.

    The only sane outcome is for the superdelegates to tell the Clintons to fuck off and die, and line up behind Bernie, which will seem like the only logical option after he wins California.
    Eternally Under the Authority of Satan

    Originally posted by Sockfucker
    I've been in several mental institutions but not in Bakersfield.

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    • Nitro Express
      DIAMOND STATUS
      • Aug 2004
      • 32798

      #3
      Hillary should be in prison. Bernie hit the road and won his votes and everyone knows Bernie should be the nominee but I guess we are going to see how crooked the Democrat Party establishment is. Rumor is they have Joe Biden on reserve to run. Plus Obama hates Hillary. He's in a position he can put her in prison. Too good to pass up. If Hillary can't beat Trump which is the way it's looking they will throw her under the bus and they don't want Bernie, he will take the punch bowl away and spoil the party.
      No! You can't have the keys to the wine cellar!

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      • Nitro Express
        DIAMOND STATUS
        • Aug 2004
        • 32798

        #4
        Originally posted by Satan
        Bottom line is that Hillcunt has a very serious problem defeating Drumpf in the General Election even without her legal issues. Bernie is a much better candidate. If the "Democratic" establishment insists on forcing the weakest possible nominee - as they did with Judas IsKerryot in 2004, then they deserve what they get as a result, which will include many of the so-called "superdelegates" losing their own jobs.

        If repeating the 2004 strategy is awful, repeating the 1968 strategy is even worse, and Joe Biden is old enough to remember how that worked out. I doubt he has any interest in being the Hubert Humphrey of 2016.

        The only sane outcome is for the superdelegates to tell the Clintons to fuck off and die, and line up behind Bernie, which will seem like the only logical option after he wins California.
        Both the Republican and Democrat Parties want the Wall Street perks. These parties used to differ but now it's all Goldman Sachs. The Republican establishment would be fine with Hillary in the White House. The establishment doesn't want Bernie and they probably have given the man every bribe they could think of and it seems like you can't buy Bernie and you can't bully him. They don't know what to do Bernie wasn't part of the big plan. They wanted Jeb and Hillary to face off and then Jeb would probably lose and Hillary becomes president and everyone on the inside game gets what they want. They never saw Trump or Bernie coming.
        Last edited by Nitro Express; 06-01-2016, 10:14 PM.
        No! You can't have the keys to the wine cellar!

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        • Nitro Express
          DIAMOND STATUS
          • Aug 2004
          • 32798

          #5
          Hillary is like Jeb. It doesn't matter how much money you have, you still can't polish a turd.
          No! You can't have the keys to the wine cellar!

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          • Satan
            ROTH ARMY ELITE
            • Jan 2004
            • 6664

            #6
            I'm actually leaning towards believing the rumor that Trump only ran because the Clintons asked him to. He wasn't even necessarily supposed to be the Repuke nominee, he was just supposed to knock Jeb out of the way.....



            Trump isn't even running as a serious candidate. He's literally a cartoon characterization of every right wing stereotype out there. Build walls. Hate people. Take every stupid comment made on AM hate radio in the last 20 years, and turn it into a campaign platform.

            It all makes much more sense when you realize he was never serious about any of it.
            Eternally Under the Authority of Satan

            Originally posted by Sockfucker
            I've been in several mental institutions but not in Bakersfield.

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            • Nitro Express
              DIAMOND STATUS
              • Aug 2004
              • 32798

              #7
              You never know. A lot of inside baseball goes on in politics. It really is a carnival of con artists.
              No! You can't have the keys to the wine cellar!

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              • Seshmeister
                ROTH ARMY WEBMASTER

                • Oct 2003
                • 35198

                #8
                Originally posted by Satan


                Trump isn't even running as a serious candidate.
                It may have started that way but it's been totally serious for months now.

                You think someone with his personality wouldn't want to be president now it's a serious possibility?

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                • Seshmeister
                  ROTH ARMY WEBMASTER

                  • Oct 2003
                  • 35198

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Satan
                  Bottom line is that Hillcunt has a very serious problem defeating Drumpf in the General Election even without her legal issues. Bernie is a much better candidate. If the "Democratic" establishment insists on forcing the weakest possible nominee - as they did with Judas IsKerryot in 2004, then they deserve what they get as a result, which will include many of the so-called "superdelegates" losing their own jobs.

                  If repeating the 2004 strategy is awful, repeating the 1968 strategy is even worse, and Joe Biden is old enough to remember how that worked out. I doubt he has any interest in being the Hubert Humphrey of 2016.

                  The only sane outcome is for the superdelegates to tell the Clintons to fuck off and die, and line up behind Bernie, which will seem like the only logical option after he wins California.
                  If I had to put a bet on California I would hqve to put it on Clinton because old people turn up and vote far more reliably than young people.

                  The new Journal/NBC News/Marist poll found Mr. Sanders building big margins among younger voters, as he has in other states. Among Democratic primary voters age 18 to 29, the poll found, 80% favor Mr. Sanders, while Mrs. Clinton garners almost twice his support among primary voters age 45 and older.

                  Mr. Sanders also outpaces the Democratic front-runner by a wide margin, 72% to 28%, among those voters who would be participating for the first time.

                  The system is of course terrible - a 2 party system is bad enough but you can't then have super delegates and still pretend that is a democracy.

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                  • DLR Bridge
                    ROCKSTAR

                    • Mar 2011
                    • 5470

                    #10
                    "Mr. Biden would be cast as the white knight rescuing the party, and the nation, from a possible Trump presidency. To win over Sanders supporters, he would likely choose as his running mate someone like Sen. Elizabeth Warren who is respected by the party’s left wing."

                    Huh. I remember when the party WAS a left wing.

                    The only thing that is "white knight" about Biden is his white Ted Knight hair. I love how it is implied that all of the Sanders voters will go for this because of EW. If she were 100% in Bernie's corner, she'd be there right now.

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                    • Kristy
                      DIAMOND STATUS
                      • Aug 2004
                      • 16339

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Seshmeister
                      The system is of course terrible - a 2 party system is bad enough but you can't then have super delegates and still pretend that is a democracy.
                      Still it kicks the shit out of that pussy parliamentary system you toothless clods have in the smelly, rotting, immigrant-infested U.K.

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                      • FORD
                        ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

                        • Jan 2004
                        • 58789

                        #12
                        Eat Us And Smile

                        Cenk For America 2024!!

                        Justice Democrats


                        "If the American people had ever known the truth about what we (the BCE) have done to this nation, we would be chased down in the streets and lynched." - Poppy Bush, 1992

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                        • FORD
                          ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

                          • Jan 2004
                          • 58789

                          #13
                          Egomaniac traitor. You never did understand....

                          Eat Us And Smile

                          Cenk For America 2024!!

                          Justice Democrats


                          "If the American people had ever known the truth about what we (the BCE) have done to this nation, we would be chased down in the streets and lynched." - Poppy Bush, 1992

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                          • Kristy
                            DIAMOND STATUS
                            • Aug 2004
                            • 16339

                            #14
                            Enough with the Clitoriston sexism slave FORD It does not make your Zionist candidate any better or smarter.

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                            • cadaverdog
                              ROTH ARMY SUPREME
                              • Aug 2007
                              • 8955

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Seshmeister


                              The system is of course terrible - a 2 party system is bad enough but you can't then have super delegates and still pretend that is a democracy.
                              Our presidential election system is a total farce from beginning to end. If it was up to me I'd shitcan the primaries completely and let the individual parties decide who they want to represent them. Obviously they have the right to do that now anyway. Let them make up their own rules on how to do that as long as it doesn't involve taxpayer funding. Next get rid of the electorial college and let the people decide by awarding the presidency to the winner of the popular vote.
                              Beware of Dog

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