Van Hagar To Tour In 2017

[Carmine]

What in the actual fuck is with that front page story? I'm shocked. Nauseated...and shocked. Wake me when it's over...or the EEAS band is back up and running...


That's right Van Hagar fan. You heard it here first, on the one and only David Lee Roth Army! And as usual, the David Lee Roth Army has the breaking news first. In fact, we believe we have it before Dave himself even has it! Ed, do not shoot Kody, he's not the one that told us!

Van Hagar is set to do a fall tour in 2017. Yes, that's right. Van Hagar live and in concert in 2017. So, all you girls and girly boys, dust off your parachute pants, dust off your old Bic lighters, dig deep into your pockets, and get ready to hear all those sappy love songs, live in front of your naked screaming ears. Seems the Van Halen brothers figure they have bled Classic Van Halen fan dry, and now it is time to get into Van Hagar fans pockets. Oh, and as a real slap in the face to Classic Van Halen fan, Michael Anthony will be doing this tour too. If Van Hagar fan is really lucky, maybe they’ll come out with a live album and claim it is the “definitive Van Hagar”. We are also being told that this will be the last tour, and the Van Halen’s will “retire” at the end of the tour.

What about Wolfgang? Well, you all probably know he's been working on his own album. So, he'll reportedly be opening the show with his band!

What about ole Dave? Even though we’ve been told Ed and Dave haven’t talked since the end of the tour, we have been informed that the idea of a tour with both Roth and Hagar was floated out there, and was not well received by the Diamond one. So, since Van Hagar is going to pretend it's 1985 again, why shouldn't Dave do the same thing? We have no idea if they'll be able to pull it off, or to what extent, but we're told Diamond Dave is trying to get the EEAS band back together, and this time it won't be for a one off gig, like the one that got shut down by the fire marshals in Los Angeles.

Last but not least, let’s hope this paves the way for the release of the album Dave and John 5 have completed, and sitting there waiting for release, as also first reported here at the David Lee Roth Army back on November 23, 2013 in this thread. Click Here to read to read Von Halen Talks To John 5 (http://www.rotharmy.com/forums/showthread.php?69928-So-I-met-John-5-last-night&highlight=)

[TitanTopper]

FUCK THE SISTERS!! If true, I'm done for good with them.

[VAiN]

If this happens - I am completely done with eddie fucking van halen and his fucking band. This is the biggest FUCK YOU to the fans who stuck by and supported the last 3 tours.

[FORD]

Von must have been drinking the Flint water again. I'm not buying this. If this were true, the sheep would be stampeding all over Links by now. :flock::flock::flock:

[WARF]

Von Halen will you send me to Cabo Wabo in the front row so I can be in their next video?

[FORD]

You might get stuck down there when Emperor Cheeto builds his stupid wall.

[Va Beach VH Fan]

If this were true, the sheep would be stampeding all over Links by now. :flock::flock::flock:


Brett must have that place quarantined, still nothing over there.... ;)

Spreading pretty quick online though....

[Von Halen]

Brett must have that place quarantined, still nothing over there.... ;)


They're on Amazon searching for parachute pants.

[wiseguy]

This will make Edward the biggest sell out in rock and roll history. Never was a bigger Van Halen fan then I am a David Lee Roth fan so fuck it! Dave or the Grave baby!

[Va Beach VH Fan]

Just broke the record - most users online.....

[FORD]

What the world needs now.. is cheese... :squirts::hagar1:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=npvN7IvrjrM

[Va Beach VH Fan]

Von Halen will you send me to Cabo Wabo in the front row so I can be in their next video?


Somebody on FB is already claiming you created this rumor, so there's that.... :)

[Carmine]

Somebody on FB is already claiming you created this rumor, so there's that.... :)

"I can tell that Brian wrote this. It's not true. Just seeing who can be stirred up. Sorry, but no sale."

VA: Brian?
Me: Brian?

:headscratch:

[FORD]

"I can tell that Brian wrote this. It's not true. Just seeing who can be stirred up. Sorry, but no sale."

VA: Brian?
Me: Brian?

:headscratch:

WARF is Brian.

[BottaGetta]

Hagar was on Eddie Trunk's show TODAY on XM106 Volume (or some shit like that). He was whining today that Eddie never wished him a happy birthday via the Twatter.

Sorry Cheeseheads, it ain't happening.

[WARF]

Just broke the record - most users online.....

I sent traffic from a HUGE page on another social network.

[WARF]

WARF is Brian.

Yup

https://hopekjohnston.files.wordpress.com/2013/02/brian.jpg

[WARF]

If any staff member here wants to bring traffic to this site. I'll be glad to add you to my page for news updates.

[DONNIEP]

Hey Vandy - you know what time it is?? That's right babayyyy!!

https://s17.postimg.org/lqnj5ygpb/IMG_7412.jpg

[Von Halen]

Sorry Cheeseheads, it ain't happening.

If you're at a Van Hagar show next Fall, will you promise to come back and give us virtual blow jobs?

[WARF]

Von Halen did you change the logo on your buggy to rings yet?

[DONNIEP]

I hope they bring back the 5150 Walk!! Mas Tequila!!


https://youtu.be/X6x0NWRh7WQ

[scottydabodi]

EEAS tour? ... COUNT ME IN, BITCHES!!!
Oh, and while I'm at it... screw the brothers!!! #dimwits

[DONNIEP]

Von Halen did you change the logo on your buggy to rings yet?

It just came back from the paint shop!!

https://s13.postimg.org/v7amsb6nr/IMG_7437.jpg

[twonabomber]

Wonder if there will be a "no Hagar solo" clause.

[Whorehey]

https://youtu.be/QM2zcv5AfaM

[THEDOCTOR]

Well any chance to see Roth,Vai,Sheehan and Bissonnette together is ok in my book. Would like to hear some new collaborations
DLR and VH had run its course.

[twonabomber]

Sheehan has already said 2017 will be a Mr. Big year. Not sure how this could change things.

[WARF]

It just came back from the paint shop!!

https://s13.postimg.org/v7amsb6nr/IMG_7437.jpg

This picture is inaccurate, we need to put Von's head bobbing up and down on Richards crotch!

[DONNIEP]

When do the tickets go on sale?? I wanna be front row and center when this train wreck hits Charlotte!!

Hey Warf - come down for the show and we'll toss Heinekens at Ed!! And meatballs at Wolfie!

[WARF]

When do the tickets go on sale?? I wanna be front row and center when this train wreck hits Charlotte!!

Hey Warf - come down for the show and we'll toss Heinekens at Ed!! And meatballs at Wolfie!

I'm in a RED state now... I am willing travel through the other red states....... we will cause all sorts of chaos.....
I don't have any heinekens to toss.... I gave that shit up almost a year ago....

[DONNIEP]

I guess this means I can finally afford to have Dave play at my birthday party next year!

[WARF]

14,323 and counting

[WARF]

I guess this means I can finally afford to have Dave play at my birthday party next year!

The people at Western Union don't even recognize me anymore since you cut me off....

[DONNIEP]

I'm in a RED state now... I am willing travel through the other red states....... we will cause all sorts of chaos.....
I don't have any heinekens to toss.... I gave that shit up almost a year ago....

Quitting drinking is for losers! I'll send you some Vodka and Whore Money right now!

This is the greatest day ever! Let's fight! :biggrin:

[WARF]

Quitting drinking is for losers! I'll send you some Vodka and Whore Money right now!

This is the greatest day ever! Let's fight! :biggrin:

I'll fuck your ass up country boy, like Nicholas Cage did to Vince Neil in front of the hotel lobby

Bring it, BITCH :lol:

[DONNIEP]

I'll fuck your ass up country boy, like Nicholas Cage did to Vince Neil in front of the hotel lobby

Bring it, BITCH :lol:

Vince is so fat that's probably the only sex he's had in 10 years!!

[DONNIEP]

Somebody light the goddamn Sammy Torch - there's almost as many people here now as they're gonna pull at the shows next year!

[WARF]

Vince is so fat that's probably the only sex he's had in 10 years!!

You should drive Von Hagar's buggy while intoxicated and turn him into Razzle with SUMMER NIGHTS playing at full volume :lol:

[DONNIEP]

You should drive Von Hagar's buggy while intoxicated and turn him into Razzle with SUMMER NIGHTS playing at full volume :lol:

Von won't let me drive. Something about me destroying everything or some shit like that :biggrin:

[WARF]

I wanna hear this LIVE!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYCnT8d2r6I

[DONNIEP]

I wanna hear this LIVE!


https://youtu.be/ytGPMfbZcs0

Me too!!

[WARF]

1,718 and climbing..... new record....

[FORD]

Somebody light the goddamn Sammy Torch - there's almost as many people here now as they're gonna pull at the shows next year!

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/news_landscape/2014/02/rainbow_flame_berlin.jpg

[Nickdfresh]

I hope they bring back the 5150 Walk!! Mas Tequila!!


https://youtu.be/X6x0NWRh7WQ

The Sammy Hagar Dance Party for super-uncool. post-menopausal white people...

[WARF]

The Sammy Hagar Dance Party for super-uncool. post-menopausal white people...

omg charles mansons epic answer :lol:

[DONNIEP]

The Sammy Hagar Dance Party for super-uncool. post-menopausal white people...

Send me your shirt size so I can hook you up with some swag from the tour!

[WARF]

Send me your shirt size so I can hook you up with some swag from the tour!

Right now you're so excited you're probably jerking off with Mad Anthony's hot sauce as the lube.....

[Nickdfresh]

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/news_landscape/2014/02/rainbow_flame_berlin.jpg

More like this:

http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/2556479/crash1_6.gif

[twonabomber]

Right now you're so excited you're probably jerking off with Mad Anthony's hot sauce as the lube.....

Hot Hands, indeed!

[DONNIEP]

Right now you're so excited you're probably jerking off with Mad Anthony's hot sauce as the lube.....

You know it!

Seriously, the only thing that could top this is if Ed hired Gary Busey to sing!!

[Nickdfresh]

Send me your shirt size so I can hook you up with some swag from the tour!

I don't wear rainbow Van "Halen" logos...

[WARF]

2,000 guests.....

[DONNIEP]

And we have more late breaking news from the VH camp! We've got top secret video of tour rehearsals already taking place! More about that after this...


https://youtu.be/VnYvIfG9Vb4

[DONNIEP]

I don't wear rainbow Van "Halen" logos...

No shirt for you!!

[WARF]

if you wanna go old school....15402

[Romeo Delight]

Good lord...i leave and this is what brings me back?

This should be good for this site's traffic anyways

[WARF]

Flamma..... are you still in last place in fantasy leagues this year?

What brought you here?

[WARF]

Nice chatting. I'm outta here for now.
Offer still stands to all staff for traffic....

Later
WARF

[DONNIEP]

What brought you here?

We get a Dave reunion, tours, records, and all that and the board announces Sammy's back and 20,000 people show up. Coincidence? I think not ;)

[Nickdfresh]

I don't think this is going to happen. Even if there is interest of the band/ex-band members, there's too much shit that's been dumped in that well. The Mike question is a huge sticking point, and oh yeah, a lot of venues might pass on this or be wary of it at least...

[twonabomber]

Irving Azoff will be all over this.

[WARF]

Give us the JOHN 5 album, I don't care what happens with VH... I'm with Dave all the way...
If spammy comes back it's just more fuel to taunt redheads.
Let the fire commence ... will Spammy drop his soulmate Michael Anthony for Van Hagar money?

[Von Halen]

will Spammy drop his soulmate Michael Anthony for Van Hagar money?

I see your reading comprehension hasn't improved. :D

[WARF]

To be honest I never even read the article....
Its just an excuse to post here again and taunt DONNIEP!

[twonabomber]

Somewhere...Jason Bonham is thinking "not again!"

[Seshmeister]

Sheehan has already said 2017 will be a Mr. Big year. Not sure how this could change things.

What's a Mr Big year, 10 nights in Japan?


http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee43/Seshmeister/billy_zpsvshhkp3i.jpg

[DONNIEP]

What's a Mr Big year, 10 nights in Japan?


http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee43/Seshmeister/billy_zpsvshhkp3i.jpg

I wonder if Dave kept that wig?

[WARF]

Bring back the Mexican waiter outfit from the 2006 tour!!!

[Seshmeister]

I don't think this is going to happen. Even if there is interest of the band/ex-band members, there's too much shit that's been dumped in that well. The Mike question is a huge sticking point, and oh yeah, a lot of venues might pass on this or be wary of it at least...

What Mike question?

He's back in.

[Angel]

Good lord...i leave and this is what brings me back?

This should be good for this site's traffic anyways
I hear ya...

[Romeo Delight]

I hope they bring back the 5150 Walk!! Mas Tequila!!


https://youtu.be/X6x0NWRh7WQ

Goosebumps...Goosebumps...:biggrin:

[vandeleur]

This is bullshit .... vonzie heard wrong , it's hard to hear with all that cock in ya mouth.
Just because the guy said the fat cock is back in didn't mean he was talking about van halen.

:D

[perrin29]

If it's true sadly I will be done supporting these guys. Van Halen officially died in Oct 2015.

[DONNIEP]

This is bullshit .... vonzie heard wrong , it's hard to hear with all that cock in ya mouth.
Just because the guy said the fat cock is back in didn't mean he was talking about van halen.

:D

Oh Vandy.....

https://s12.postimg.org/ku4t45ljx/IMG_7412.jpg

Don't worry brother - your hero will be playing bass in the opening act so you'll still get to see him ;)

[vandeleur]

Oh Vandy.....

https://s12.postimg.org/ku4t45ljx/IMG_7412.jpg

Don't worry brother - your hero will be playing bass in the opening act so you'll still get to see him ;)

Don't brother me , answer your pm's quicker ya tubby beehatch. :D

[DONNIEP]

Don't brother me , answer your pm's quicker ya tubby beehatch. :D

Sorry, I was on the phone with Mike and Sam, conversation went something like this "Bwahahahahahahaha!!!"

:biggrin:

[vandeleur]

I look forward to Dave with the eeas band , he was running out of songs to murder.
Who knows he could release another album he can't sing live #bagofcats

:)

[vandeleur]

Sorry, I was on the phone with Mike and Sam, conversation went something like this "Bwahahahahahahaha!!!"

:biggrin:

Bet you can't wait to do your little sammy hand sign ;)

[DONNIEP]

Bet you can't wait to do your little sammy hand sign ;)

Right in the middle of Mike's bass solo!!

[vandeleur]

Right in the middle of Mike's ass , solo!!

I knew it !!!! You're one of them there homersexuals :biggrin:

[Va Beach VH Fan]

In addition to what's already been reported, I spoke with another person with separate access to VH-land....

According to them, Van Hagar is "not a done deal yet", but "hopefully".....

[perrin29]

This is depressing news.....

[VAiN]

Terrible.

[WARF]

In addition to what's already been reported, I spoke with another person with separate access to VH-land....

According to them, Van Hagar is "not a done deal yet", but "hopefully".....

Pro and Cons of Van Hagar reunion

Pros
We get the John 5 album
We get a DLR Band or EEAS BAND reunion
We get to torture and talk shit about Ed and Alex again
We get to set fire to all Hagaritas

Cons
Dave goes back to state fairs
Van Halen ruins their legacy

I've been saying alongside Von for a few years now.... it's time to take money out of the Van Hagar fanbase now... Dave is tapped out....

Regardless, I dont give a fuck what band Dave is in.... I want the John 5 cd and to be honest, I wanna hear his solo stuff live again. Van Halen has nothing left to prove with Dave unless they bring back Michael Anthony.

[Von Halen]

I seriously don't get why anyone would think this is depressing. Go listen to that abortion of a live album, and then tell me you're excited for yet another tour with Dave from these guys. Be honest with yourselves.

I'm sorry, but I'm much more excited to hear the John 5 album, than I am hearing Dave butcher those great songs, yet again. I truly hope this paves the way for that album to get released.

[Romeo Delight]

I seriously don't get why anyone would think this is depressing. Go listen to that abortion of a live album, and then tell me you're excited for yet another tour with Dave from these guys. Be honest with yourselves.

I'm sorry, but I'm much more excited to hear the John 5 album, than I am hearing Dave butcher those great songs, yet again. I truly hope this paves the way for that album to get released.

Definitive...

[VAiN]

I seriously don't get why anyone would think this is depressing. Go listen to that abortion of a live album, and then tell me you're excited for yet another tour with Dave from these guys. Be honest with yourselves.

I'm sorry, but I'm much more excited to hear the John 5 album, than I am hearing Dave butcher those great songs, yet again. I truly hope this paves the way for that album to get released.


I would like another album with Dave, but I'll gladly accept the J5 album in its place.

[FORD]

I think this is all a smokescreen for the fact that Spam & Mikey are really doing a tour with Barry Gibb as "The New BeeGees" Their new album, Saturday Night Cheddar will be out in February 2017

[Nickdfresh]

I was sort of hoping that Dave was just having ongoing health issues that could be resolved in the off-season and they'd tour more in the 2007 vein. I still think there is too much implosion risk here...

And a Van Hagar reunion is a guarantor of NOTHING, other than the shitty catalog of a once great degrading rock bad will come to a hockey hall near you, should enough even be interested after the 2004 debacle...

[78/84 guy]

Somewhere...Jason Bonham is thinking "not again!"

That was worth logging in for after months. That's funny ! As far as another Van Hagar reunion ? Simply N000000000000000000000000000000000000 ! Maybe Dave would get the Eat Em' band fired up again though ? Hmmmm....He better work on his voice. I'd prefer a new Van Halen Dave album if it's good. They can be the Beatles and stay home if they don't want too tour. I couldn't care less anymore either way. Enjoyed Dave kicking as on the 07/08 tour though. Still spin A.D.K.O.T. more than some of the 6 pack. But yeah if they are done big deal. Their prime is over. Even with Hag.

[78/84 guy]

And release the fucking vaults Eddie you asshole !

[Va Beach VH Fan]

So Mike and Bette's manager have both denied it so far....

But here's the thing....

In 2007, VH held their press conference only 44 days before the start of their 'reunion tour' with DLR in Charlotte....

In 2012, while rumors of the new album had been going on for about a year, it wasn't until about 45 days before their first show in Louisville that they announced the tour dates....

And finally, in 2015, VH finally gave some more advanced notice, but even that was only 3 1/2 months notice before their first show in Washington State....

The report is that they're trying for a FALL 2017 tour.... Let's assume that means a September start - That's still 10 months away....

[DaveTheScott]

2017 is the year of accepting some bitter truths, kids. A bit of flotsam and jetsam in no particular order (I'm long overdue for an episode of mental diarrhea, anyway)...

(1) Trump is President. That's "HOLY SHIT..." worthy, regardless of which side of the aisle you're on or who you did or didn't vote for.
(2) None of this shit - John 5 record, EEAS tour, Spam's return, Wolf's supergroup, Val's love child with Gordon Ramsay - is confirmed until it's confirmed. And even then, it ain't confirmed.
(3) There is no "Van Halen Vault". It's a myth, an unconfirmed legend, right up there with mermaids, unicorns, and bipartisanship. If the only thing holding you onto this band is the chance Ed and Co. will release a secret stash of material BEFORE someone kicks the bucket, you need to re-evaluate your fucking life. Makes absolutely NO FUCKING SENSE.

That said...

(4) We love "Van Halen" more than the band loves "Van Halen". They continue to prove that to us time and time again. We choose to ignore it.
(5) The band is a business and "giving the fans what they want" means "doing what we believe the fans will pay for" regardless of whether it's Dave, Bette, or Sherri Cherone, or that other guy from Hardline out front.
(6) The only ones caught up in the nostalgia of returning this band to greatness is US, the long-time fans. That sparkle of hope in your eye represents revenue for tickets, t-shirts, and shitty live records. Nothing more.

THAT said...

(7) Both Dave and Ed made comments about struggling to align on being a "rock band" and on what direction they would take the band going forward. Heard this one before, don't know why 32 years later it's news again.
(8) There have been numerous posts on here about how "the band" could choose to exploit the "Dave vs. Sammy" camps into two different revenue streams. If the Spam reunion came to pass, why would you be surprised?
(9) As also previously observed by many rocket scientists on this site, "the band" has made no effort to engage a younger audience, refresh or reassert their image, or revitalize their fan base. They have made no effort to market themselves as the hard-partying, working man's rock legends that they portray (Dave and Wolf moving independently with social media, video blogs, etc. doesn't count, bitches). They live off of a legacy that quite honestly died in 1984 and we continue to enable it.
(10) If you're "the business", why would you spend the money (aka take the financial risk) of trying to squeeze out a new record, a new tour with new material, etc. etc. when ALL of the previous-mentioned shit is in play AND the fans will continue to buy tickets and download the "remastered" catalogue of 30+ year-old material? If your paycheck was riding on the success of this traveling shitshow, what would you do?

You can't be mad about any of this...it's like going to 7-Eleven and being pissed because you know they're selling you a Slurpee for $3.00 that cost them $.20 to make. It's called business.

[Hecubus]

Good lord...i leave and this is what brings me back?

This should be good for this site's traffic anyways

LOL! This! :lmao:

[DaveTheScott]

2017 is the year of accepting some bitter truths, kids. A bit of flotsam and jetsam in no particular order (I'm long overdue for an episode of mental diarrhea, anyway)...

(1) Trump is President. That's "HOLY SHIT..." worthy, regardless of which side of the aisle you're on or who you did or didn't vote for.
(2) None of this shit - John 5 record, EEAS tour, Spam's return, Wolf's supergroup, Val's love child with Gordon Ramsay - is confirmed until it's confirmed. And even then, it ain't confirmed.
(3) There is no "Van Halen Vault". It's a myth, an unconfirmed legend, right up there with mermaids, unicorns, and bipartisanship. If the only thing holding you onto this band is the chance Ed and Co. will release a secret stash of material BEFORE someone kicks the bucket, you need to re-evaluate your fucking life. Makes absolutely NO FUCKING SENSE.

That said...

(4) We love "Van Halen" more than the band loves "Van Halen". They continue to prove that to us time and time again. We choose to ignore it.
(5) The band is a business and "giving the fans what they want" means "doing what we believe the fans will pay for" regardless of whether it's Dave, Bette, or Sherri Cherone, or that other guy from Hardline out front.
(6) The only ones caught up in the nostalgia of returning this band to greatness is US, the long-time fans. That sparkle of hope in your eye represents revenue for tickets, t-shirts, and shitty live records. Nothing more.

THAT said...

(7) Both Dave and Ed made comments about struggling to align on being a "rock band" and on what direction they would take the band going forward. Heard this one before, don't know why 32 years later it's news again.
(8) There have been numerous posts on here about how "the band" could choose to exploit the "Dave vs. Sammy" camps into two different revenue streams. If the Spam reunion came to pass, why would you be surprised?
(9) As also previously observed by many rocket scientists on this site, "the band" has made no effort to engage a younger audience, refresh or reassert their image, or revitalize their fan base. They have made no effort to market themselves as the hard-partying, working man's rock legends that they portray (Dave and Wolf moving independently with social media, video blogs, etc. doesn't count, bitches). They live off of a legacy that quite honestly died in 1984 and we continue to enable it.
(10) If you're "the business", why would you spend the money (aka take the financial risk) of trying to squeeze out a new record, a new tour with new material, etc. etc. when ALL of the previous-mentioned shit is in play AND the fans will continue to buy tickets and download the "remastered" catalogue of 30+ year-old material? If your paycheck was riding on the success of this traveling shitshow, what would you do?

You can't be mad about any of this...it's like going to 7-Eleven and being pissed because you know they're selling you a Slurpee for $3.00 that cost them $.20 to make. It's called business.

To add, I'm praying for the EEAS tour and the John 5 record, regardless of what "the band" does going forward.

Anyone else here who's a true fan should recognize the gravity of this situation...Dave's legacy is intertwined with, but but not totally dependent on, the rise or fall of VH. In reality, the news should read "Dave's Old Band Once Again Justifies Why They're Dave's Old Band..."

And by the way...I gotta get going with some goddam posts on here. You fuckers with 50,000 posts have me both amazed and concerned, all at the same time...I'm looking at you, FORD...

[FORD]

Ironically, I don't spend as much time online as I used to. I've just been here since day one, so it adds up.

[DaveTheScott]

Don't you dare kill my dreams, goddam it. I GOT NOWHERE ELSE TO GO!!!

15413

[Romeo Delight]

Von Halen will you send me to Cabo Wabo in the front row so I can be in their next video?

Standing with your backs to the stage?

[Romeo Delight]

https://youtu.be/x9DPwKskJe4
https://youtu.be/x9DPwKskJe4

[DavidLeeNatra]

So Ed is already setting up the video camera to teach Sauce Sobolewsky his Bass parts?

BTW in China a sack of rice just fell over...just in case somebody cares...

Gesendet von meinem SM-G850F mit Tapatalk

[vaijuju]

...
The report is that they're trying for a FALL 2017 tour.... Let's assume that means a September start - That's still 10 months away....

but Dave can do things before ?

[Carmine]

Posted on VHND Facebook page:

Whenever Van Halen is on hiatus, rumors tend to pop up. This year has been no exception.

A new Van Halen rumor broke yesterday which states that the band is planning on touring in 2017 with Sammy Hagar and Michael Anthony. We don’t have much to say about this, other than the fact that three of our tried and true sources are saying the rumor is simply not true.

Van Halen are not currently planning on touring with Sammy and Michael next year. In fact, they have not communicated with Sammy or Mike, other than the tweets Eddie and Sammy traded in January, and the casual phone conversation Alex had with Michael in May. (In fact, just yesterday, before this rumor broke, Sammy was on Eddie Trunk’s ‘Trunk Nation’ show on SiriusXM saying that he hasn’t spoken to Eddie since 2004, other than the aforementioned tweets).

We don’t want to reiterate the entire rumor or say where it came from, just because we don’t want to overly focus on false information.

As for the future of the band, even we at the Van Halen News Desk know to “never say never.” But what we can say now is that this particular rumor is false.



http://www.vhnd.com/2016/11/22/van-hagar-rumor-answered/#ixzz4QpMyK5i5

[vandeleur]

Wow ,VHND can't spell Von made it up :biggrin:

[Von Halen]

VHND doesn't play (post) by their own rules. They play by VH's rules. Jeff posts what he's allowed to post. We post whatever the fuck we want to post.

WAY back in the day, when Sarge was considering whether the Army would become Dave's "official" site, he took that very scenario into consideration. After meeting with Dave, he decided not to pursue that title.

[Va Beach VH Fan]

VHND doesn't play (post) by their own rules. They play by VH's rules. Jeff posts what he's allowed to post. We post whatever the fuck we want to post.

WAY back in the day, when Sarge was considering whether the Army would become Dave's "official" site, he took that very scenario into consideration. After meeting with Dave, he decided not to pursue that title.


Yup....

And this place may have very well turned into the Pleasure Dome, with karma points and all...

"Personal Attacks Will Not Be Tolerated" - Actual quote from Day #1 there.....

[Von Halen]

Yup....

And this place may have very well turned into the Pleasure Dome, with karma points and all...

"Personal Attacks Will Not Be Tolerated" - Actual quote from Day #1 there.....

Yeah, I didn't last long at the ole Pasture Dump!

[DONNIEP]

Yup....

And this place may have very well turned into the Pleasure Dome, with karma points and all...

"Personal Attacks Will Not Be Tolerated" - Actual quote from Day #1 there.....

Yeah, we'd all be banned from here by now :biggrin:

[Von Halen]

By the way, I 100% stand by my post on the Main page.

[chuckjitsu]

Like everyone else, I have zero interest in Sam being back, but whatever. The only thing that would piss me off is if Mike came back as well. If Ed can tolerate Mike enough for a Van Hagar tour, then there's no fuckin' reason why we couldn't have had a true reunion of the original lineup.

Par for the course I suppose. Deny us a true reunion, then bring Mike back for Samburglar tour. Classic!!

[Va Beach VH Fan]

Like everyone else, I have zero interest in Sam being back, but whatever. The only thing that would piss me off is if Mike came back as well.


Bette wouldn't come back without Mike, it's that simple....

And I had heard whispers right after the '15 tour ended that Wolf was out, none of this is surprising me at all....

[Seshmeister]

We tried to respond to the story on VHND last night but they wouldn't approve any reply we put to their 'story'.

I guess the Van Helen camp could just be keeping them in the dark but there are enough people involved in this that it seems more likely that what you are getting from the VHND is the official line. They would never admit to anything until it was signed sealed and delivered contractually.

Mike Anthony said it was a rumour which is what I would have said in his place until it was all signed, he didn't say BS.


We have more details than have been put on the front page but can't say without compromising sources.

I guess it comes down to who do you trust at this point?

[katina]

Nunca.

[vaijuju]

...

[THEDOCTOR]

I honestly don't care who is in or out of VH at this point. DLR's vocals live were mailed in on that last tour, as much as that pains me to say. It was nice while it lasted but I'd rather see him do the EEAS material and watch that group perform. I enjoyed the VH album, and had hoped for 1 more as it gave Dave a place to be polished.
Getting to see DLR play with EVH was on my bucket list, I saw it 4 times .
Turn the page, and I'm hoping to see EEAS band shred some live grooves....

[twonabomber]

And release the fucking vaults Eddie you asshole !

Ed prefers to sell striped shoes and trinkets.

[Von Halen]

Ed prefers to sell striped shoes and trinkets.

What's wrong with that? :D

[78/84 guy]

So Mike and Bette's manager have both denied it so far....

But here's the thing....

In 2007, VH held their press conference only 44 days before the start of their 'reunion tour' with DLR in Charlotte....

In 2012, while rumors of the new album had been going on for about a year, it wasn't until about 45 days before their first show in Louisville that they announced the tour dates....

And finally, in 2015, VH finally gave some more advanced notice, but even that was only 3 1/2 months notice before their first show in Washington State....

The report is that they're trying for a FALL 2017 tour.... Let's assume that means a September start - That's still 10 months away....

Well Van Halen hasn't planned anything that far out for years. Simply bullshit. Honestly who the fuck is falling for this shit ? If it does happen it won't be planned til next summer by that logic. So that means it's not planned yet. The last thing they put an effort into was A.D.K.O.T. That took a year according to Roth.

[78/84 guy]

Yaaaaaaaawwwwwwnnnn !

[78/84 guy]

Yeah, people that think Dave is still important to a modern Van Halen at this point are nuts. Honestly who cares ? Unless there is a solid good new album ( don't count on it ) they ARE nothing more than a nostalgia act at this point. Dave seems too have zero interest in working on his vocals for a live show it seems for the last two tours. Why would I fork over $ 100 large for that ? No thanks.

[78/84 guy]

Ed prefers to sell striped shoes and trinkets.

Well there's that ! Good for him. He figured out a way to stay home and fuck the old lady.

[Va Beach VH Fan]

Well Van Halen hasn't planned anything that far out for years. Simply bullshit. Honestly who the fuck is falling for this shit ? If it does happen it won't be planned til next summer by that logic. So that means it's not planned yet. The last thing they put an effort into was A.D.K.O.T. That took a year according to Roth.


You wouldn't agree that everybody would have to clear their schedules this far in advance if they want to do it next fall?

[Von Halen]

You wouldn't agree that everybody would have to clear their schedules this far in advance if they want to do it next fall?

78/84 guy is clearing his schedule right now! He'll be there front and center! :D

[WARF]

Will Spanishflyguy come out of retirement for this EPIC tour?

[Va Beach VH Fan]

According to some dude commenting at VHND, this is all your fault "WART"

"Dickskus • 12 hours ago
This rumour was started by a brain-dead idiot named Wart."

[DONNIEP]

According to some dude commenting at VHND, this is all your fault "WART"

"Dickskus • 12 hours ago
This rumour was started by a brain-dead idiot named Wart."

Wart ain't brain dead - he's still cashing my checks!! :biggrin:

[cadaverdog]

According to some dude commenting at VHND, this is all your fault "WART"

"Dickskus • 12 hours ago
This rumour was started by a brain-dead idiot named Wart."
If Warf did start this rumor he deserves to be honored in same way here at the Roth Army. :clap:

[clarathecarrot]

Ok here is the real scoop of why thinking in more than one dimension is relative to your position in the world of listening to "things".

Mike can never tour with Van Halen because he only played on a few songs perhaps none, on any given album as quoted by Ed.

Didn't Ed say he played all those bass tracs..? Overdubbed/Corrected.. Mike's parts, so why would Ed want Mike on stage with Roth or Spatula..?

Whoever, is playing bass for the Van Halen is infringing of Eds "intellectual property" thus he would have to bring suit upon the party of the second part.



That is why Flatulus Spamulus is constantly getting restraining orders leveled against him for playing VH music.He was just a replacement hired to attract a certain section of the purchasing public not that there is anything wrong with that those or them, the other half ....not that there is anything wrong with that.

Dave, can play anything from the original (6) because he was actually in the band Mike was evidently just a sexy sexy romance book cover style model hired to attract women that actually have jobs and a specific demographic not generally associated with the other generally perceived styles of members of rock bands.

See how easy is all is if youthink befopre you post...


simple like rock and roll...easy to find the reality in 2 or more dimensions.

[ZahZoo]

If any staff member here wants to bring traffic to this site. I'll be glad to add you to my page for news updates.

You still have a page..? Still waiting on that traffic. Must of gotten blocked by election protestors and BLM parades...

[78/84 guy]

You wouldn't agree that everybody would have to clear their schedules this far in advance if they want to do it next fall?

Schedules ? What schedules ? These guys are multi millionaires siting on thier asses. So no I don't. Other than setting up the buildings to play in and when.

[Va Beach VH Fan]

Schedules ? What schedules ? These guys are multi millionaires siting on thier asses. So no I don't. Other than setting up the buildings to play in and when.


I grant ya that in the case of the Van Heineken's, but I believe Bette and the Velveetas were planning on doing something for around that timeframe....

In addition, promoters have to start planning for a fall arena tours right around now.....

[Terry]

I dunno...

This isn't like it's late 2003 all over again, when I was still hoping Roth would rejoin Van Halen for a reunion tour and work on some new material together, thus the prospect of Hagar rejoining the band then seemed like (only because it was) yet another case of Eddie fucking up.

I mean, Dave got back together with the band. And to Dave's credit he did an excellent job fronting them on the first reunion tour. In point of fact, Dave basically carried that entire tour, because Ed wasn't able to bring his best to the proceedings. Dave stepped up his game and rose above what he was turning in performance-wise at his solo shows from 2003-2006. Dave had something to prove on that first Van Halen reunion tour, and he did. No question about it.

Since that first reunion tour, we've got one studio album (half of which was reworked old 1970s demos - none of which were really an improvement on the tunes in their original form, and the rest were 50% semi-disposable and 50% quite good: only Chinatown really rose to the level of CVH excellence), one mundane live album and two more tours where it has become readily apparent that Dave is no longer interested in his vocal approach: he either can't - or won't -sing the tunes in-key. So, he can't jump, he can't scream, he really can't sing well...but he CAN do his patented Crazy Uncle Dave Funky Chicken Dance Moves complete with 'jazz hands' and a wardrobe on loan from the Hugh Hefner Collection...with plenty of matching Peach Melba ascots and breast pocket handkerchiefs!

I mean, considering what Van Halen has devolved into - basically as others on this thread have said in that Van Halen are an aging nostalgia act - what difference does it make what happens with the band at this point?

It doesn't even matter to me anymore. The 2015 tour was the first time I had no interest in seeing the band, and virtually all of that attitude was directly because Roth got lazy after the first reunion tour and started phoning his vocals in. A bit of a shame, because the Van Halens still play the material quite well. In 2012, at the show I saw Eddie was doing exactly what he needed to do to make the show worthwhile for me. Roth wasn't, and nothing I heard from the last tour made me think 2012 was an anomaly far as Dave was concerned.

Roth has had it, and while I have no interest in seeing Van Halen without Roth in it I have less interest in seeing Van Halen with an underperforming Roth in it. I mean, fuck me, I schlepped out to see Dave perform at a RibFest in 2005 and a small 1-2,000 seat venue in 2006, and I enjoyed both shows. I've always enjoyed what Dave brought to his shows but the last 2 Van Halen tours were not pleasant to listen to. His voice is pretty much fucked and he is coasting. I'd rather not see him at all than see him fumbling around, warbling the lyrics in an off-key yelp.

Besides, Van Hagar Mach 3 should be good for some giggles. I guess it's a matter of perspective: I can laugh at Van Hagar turning in lame live performances, whereas watching Van Halen with Dave turn in lame performances just makes me wish they would stop.

[Va Beach VH Fan]

Roth has had it, and while I have no interest in seeing Van Halen without Roth in it I have less interest in seeing Van Halen with an underperforming Roth in it.


I can't speak for anyone else Terry, but I sure hope you don't think that merely because I'm throwing out possible justifications on why Bette may indeed be returning would actually mean I would go see that clusterfuck.....

I wouldn't go watch 2 hours of Dig It Ya'll ballads if you gave me a free ticket.....

[Terry]

I can't speak for anyone else Terry, but I sure hope you don't think that merely because I'm throwing out possible justifications on why Bette may indeed be returning would actually mean I would go see that clusterfuck.....

I wouldn't go watch 2 hours of Dig It Ya'll ballads if you gave me a free ticket.....

Put it to you this way:

I could see from Ed's perspective that if Roth isn't up to snuff anymore, Hagar is really the only other choice he has to front the band if he wants to keep performing.

I'll add that even if Roth were singing noticeably better AND Mike rejoined the band for a CVH Farewell Tour, at this point I'd only have a marginal (at best) interest in seeing THAT lineup: these guys just got old, you know?

It's not even a case of my hating Hagar (he's far too average to be anything other than merely forgettable), rather that I just don't have any use for Van Hagar's music: I had no interest in seeing them in 1986 or 1988 when I easily could have, and when THAT lineup was at their best, so naturally it follows that I have no interest in seeing them in 2016.

I love Eddie Van Halen's playing on those CVH records. I always have. I still enjoy listening to it. It's just not worth spending nickel one and a minute of my time to actually go and hear Eddie play live anymore if Roth is going to turn in shitty lead vocals. I have no use for the music Ed wrote after Roth left the band, so naturally I have no interest in going to see Eddie play Van Hagar music.

However, I can understand why someone might want to go see Eddie play, even if he's playing songs from an era of Van Halen they don't like: Ed's getting up there in age. He has gone through a cancer scare, several other ailments and fought to finally get sober. He played very well on the 2012 and 2016 tours. If he remains healthy and sober, he will probably play well on a Van Hagar reunion tour, and these days each tour could be the last chance one has to hear one of the few living rock guitar legends left live in the flesh.

I've seen Ed in 1984, 2008 and 2012. If I never hear him live again, I won't have any regrets about it. Far less regrets than seeing him fucked up and unable to play well like I did in 2008, or playing well yet being offset by terrible lead vocals like I did in 2012.

[Fairwrning]

I didnt see the last tour. I had zero interest in it..other than night one. After that its just the same damn show played the same damn way. No thanks.. I got to see cvh in 81..82 and 84..2 reunion tours..Let it die Ed..

[Va Beach VH Fan]

Put it to you this way:

I could see from Ed's perspective that if Roth isn't up to snuff anymore, Hagar is really the only other choice he has to front the band if he wants to keep performing.

I'll add that even if Roth were singing noticeably better AND Mike rejoined the band for a CVH Farewell Tour, at this point I'd only have a marginal (at best) interest in seeing THAT lineup: these guys just got old, you know?

It's not even a case of my hating Hagar (he's far too average to be anything other than merely forgettable), rather that I just don't have any use for Van Hagar's music: I had no interest in seeing them in 1986 or 1988 when I easily could have, and when THAT lineup was at their best, so naturally it follows that I have no interest in seeing them in 2016.

I love Eddie Van Halen's playing on those CVH records. I always have. I still enjoy listening to it. It's just not worth spending nickel one and a minute of my time to actually go and hear Eddie play live anymore if Roth is going to turn in shitty lead vocals. I have no use for the music Ed wrote after Roth left the band, so naturally I have no interest in going to see Eddie play Van Hagar music.

However, I can understand why someone might want to go see Eddie play, even if he's playing songs from an era of Van Halen they don't like: Ed's getting up there in age. He has gone through a cancer scare, several other ailments and fought to finally get sober. He played very well on the 2012 and 2016 tours. If he remains healthy and sober, he will probably play well on a Van Hagar reunion tour, and these days each tour could be the last chance one has to hear one of the few living rock guitar legends left live in the flesh.

I've seen Ed in 1984, 2008 and 2012. If I never hear him live again, I won't have any regrets about it. Far less regrets than seeing him fucked up and unable to play well like I did in 2008, or playing well yet being offset by terrible lead vocals like I did in 2012.


Yup, completely see what you mean....

If Dave's vocals were "normal" (whether those yelps are intentional or not), this wouldn't even be a topic IMO... Sure I would've loved to eventually see Mike re-replace Wolf and have the original band back together one last time.... But even if it were still Wolf, if Dave were to sing the songs like they're meant to be sung, that's still a no-brainer compared to Van Velveeta....

Yes, even though the deep cuts have been fantastic to hear live once again, I don't know how long they can (could?) run out the same batch of hits every few years without any new material.... Personally, yes I would still go assuming it's fairly close, there are worse things to do than listen to Van Halen....

Having said all that, I simply think that it's clear that Dave's voice is shot (no crime at age 62 - he's human), and while Bette's voice isn't exactly sounding like it's 1982 either, it's still serviceable....

So you combine that with what I'm absolutely sure is a package deal to also include Mike, they kiss and make up, and voila, you've got Van Hagar Part 3....

Will it sell well? Not especially, but they did have a run of commercial hits, albeit sappy ballads... I saw figures from PollstarPro that said that while I thought the 2015 VH tour had a pretty respectable showing at most of the venues that I saw pics/video, officially the average attendance was approximately 10,500 per show.... I don't see Sam's return beating that....

[chuckjitsu]

For me personally, I would have as much interest in a 2017 Sam Halen tour as I did in the 2004 tour- zero. That said, in some small, probably irrational way, it would bug me on a couple of levels if they reunited with Sam and toured. For starters, I consider the Sam version of VH to be lesser and inferior and VH just ain't VH without Dave as the front man. Secondly, if the Samburglar is back, Mike would most likely be back as well. If Ed can suck it up and have Mike back for Sam's sake, why the fuck couldn't he have made it work with any of these recent tours with Dave? Ed is the only reason we didn't see a proper VH reunion, so if he brings Mike back for a Sam tour, I might just have to send him a giant box of dicks for his next birthday (a box packed with pictures of himself would get the job done).

But in the grand scheme of things, whatever. I don't see any new material with Dave forthcoming and I'd fall on the "doubtful" side of another tour with Dave happening. If a Samburglar tour does go down, I hope Dave sees that as an opportunity- hook back up with the EEAS guys and go kick ass. Who cares if it's only 10 shows in 2000 seaters. Or better yet, release the John 5 album and do something with that.

Your move Dave.

[Seshmeister]

Am I the only person that prefers 2000 seaters to arenas?

[cadaverdog]

Your move Dave.
About the only thing Dave could do now is acoustic versions of his greatest hits but nobody seems interested in that.

[cadaverdog]

Am I the only person that prefers 2000 seaters to arenas?
No but even here all the tickets for a 2000 seat performance by a popular act would end up in the hands of people with connections or people with deep pockets who bought them from the people with connections. Unless it was some one off show the act agreed to perform for past favors by a radio station or other business where the tickets were given away.

[Terry]

Am I the only person that prefers 2000 seaters to arenas?

Nope.

The best sounding shows I've ever been to were in 2,000 seaters or less.

[Terry]

Yup, completely see what you mean....

If Dave's vocals were "normal" (whether those yelps are intentional or not), this wouldn't even be a topic IMO... Sure I would've loved to eventually see Mike re-replace Wolf and have the original band back together one last time.... But even if it were still Wolf, if Dave were to sing the songs like they're meant to be sung, that's still a no-brainer compared to Van Velveeta....

Yes, even though the deep cuts have been fantastic to hear live once again, I don't know how long they can (could?) run out the same batch of hits every few years without any new material.... Personally, yes I would still go assuming it's fairly close, there are worse things to do than listen to Van Halen....

Having said all that, I simply think that it's clear that Dave's voice is shot (no crime at age 62 - he's human), and while Bette's voice isn't exactly sounding like it's 1982 either, it's still serviceable....

So you combine that with what I'm absolutely sure is a package deal to also include Mike, they kiss and make up, and voila, you've got Van Hagar Part 3....

Will it sell well? Not especially, but they did have a run of commercial hits, albeit sappy ballads... I saw figures from PollstarPro that said that while I thought the 2015 VH tour had a pretty respectable showing at most of the venues that I saw pics/video, officially the average attendance was approximately 10,500 per show.... I don't see Sam's return beating that....

That was probably what I enjoyed best of the 2008 and 2012 shows I saw: the deep cuts. Particularly in 2012 when Ed was playing really well. I mean, shit, they were tearing into Girl Gone Bad and for a moment all that magic came flooding back. Seriously, I had fucking goosebumps listening to them playing that tune: Ed fucking KILLED. Instrumentally, Drop Dead Legs, Light Up The Sky, Feel Your Love Tonight and Dirty Movies sounded great on the last tour from the youtube stuff I saw.

I keep coming back to this point, but I will say it again in that Dave really stepped up his game in 2007-2008. His vocals sounded energized, he was making an effort not always apparent on the last couple solo gigs I had seen prior to the VH reunion, he was singing all the lyrics...great, great stuff.

From 2012 up to the present, he has that strained yelp working overtime, and it just...plain...sounds...bad. I'm not 100% sure his voice is totally shot, but I can't imagine it is less straining for him to yell the lyrics than it would be to simply sing them. So why does he go the yelp route?

If his voice IS shot, of course it's no crime considering his age. Shit, it's coming up on 40 years since the first album was released. It was furious hard rock performed by young men, and it's not a surprise that these same men hitting their 60s are having trouble keeping up with what they did in the late 1970s/early 1980s. Roth is an old man. I don't expect him to jump around onstage anymore, nor do I expect him to unleash one of those barefoot on hot coals screams.

I do require that he sing the tunes reasonably in key, though. Anything short of that, I pass. I had a chance to see and listen to several shows online at the start of the 2015 tour before tix for the one in my area went on sale. My wife was somewhat shocked because I said I had no interest. The venue they were playing at was literally 6 miles from our house, and tickets weren't too expensive and pretty easy to get. So it wasn't going to be a hassle getting there or getting home after, and it wasn't going to cost much, either. And I couldn't be bothered. And it was Dave's vocals, which sounded worse than what I heard in 2012, that made the decision very easy.

I'd tend to think a Van Hagar tour would do well if only because Ed in the end did reunite with Dave and they did manage to do a few tours and an album together (I'm not even including that live album, which was a bad joke: I'd sooner listen to my old audience-sourced 1981 boots than that album). So there shouldn't be any resentment about a Hagar reunion at this point in terms of it standing in the way of Dave being in the band. I mean, fuck's sake, they've been together for nearly a decade, and all we got was one new album out of it (half of which were remakes of leftovers), so it's not like a Van Hagar reunion in 2017 is going to interrupt some hot creative streak Dave and Ed have going on. And it's not like a Van Hagar tour in 2017 is going to rob Dave of precious time in terms of his live vocal abilities - he's all done in that respect, and has been for the last two tours. Plus, while there's no accounting for tastes, there are more than a few people out there who liked Van Hagar. If Hagar and Anthony rejoin Ed and Al for a tour, I'd imagine they'd be able to do a summer run of 10,000 seater sheds with not too many empty seats in the house. You gotta figure Hagar is even older than Roth, and realistically how many more tours is he gonna be able to do? Doubtless there will be plenty of people who will figure it could be the last time to hear that lineup play those tunes.

[binnie]

Well, at least we can now debate the question we've all been keen to ask:

Will they play 'A Apolitical Blues'?

[Va Beach VH Fan]

If Hagar and Anthony rejoin Ed and Al for a tour, I'd imagine they'd be able to do a summer run of 10,000 seater sheds with not too many empty seats in the house. You gotta figure Hagar is even older than Roth, and realistically how many more tours is he gonna be able to do? Doubtless there will be plenty of people who will figure it could be the last time to hear that lineup play those tunes.


The report is that it will be a fall tour, so that means arenas vice ampitheaters....

And with a fall tour, Samuel Roy Hagar will turn 70 on October 13th....

[DONNIEP]

The report is that it will be a fall tour, so that means arenas vice ampitheaters....

And with a fall tour, Samuel Roy Hagar will turn 70 on October 13th....

I wonder if Van Hagar is gonna play Sam's Birthday Bash. Maybe Mtv can do another Cabo Wabo Contest!!


https://youtu.be/byD3dYjh1H0

[Terry]

The report is that it will be a fall tour, so that means arenas vice ampitheaters....

And with a fall tour, Samuel Roy Hagar will turn 70 on October 13th....

Well, okay...that's fine from where I sit.

I mean, for whatever dismissive comments I have about Chickenfoot's or Hagar's abilities to draw sizable crowds to their shows, the fact of the matter is that Dave as a solo act hasn't been able to draw sizable crowds on the strength of his name since...what, 1991? The biggest live venture he was involved with post-1996 was the Sam and Dave tour: prior to that tour, he was an opening act for such bands as Bad Company in 1999. Should Roth leave Van Halen now and go back to being a solo act, he'll be back to doing that same circuit of small capacity venues/Ribfests/State Fair circuits that he has in the years between 2002 and 2007.

He is in a similar situation that Hagar is, in which Hagar's biggest touring venture since leaving Van Halen in 1996 was the Sam and Dave tour. Chickenfoot isn't selling out arenas, and Sam has been playing the same type of similar size gigs that Roth has been as a solo act.

Should Hagar rejoin Van Halen, the band should be able to fill 10,000 seaters, at least for one tour: it's the strength and visibility of the Van Halen name that enables this to happen. Doubtless there are all sorts of subcategories within the Van Halen fan base these days:

Casual fans who don't make severe distinctions between various lineups in terms of it being a deal breaker for buying a ticket or not.

Diehard Eddie fans who will pay to see him play regardless of who is singing for the band.

'Dave or the Grave' fans of that particular lineup.

Van Hagar fans who actually prefer that era of the band above CVH, but would still see VH w/ Roth (and those who wouldn't).



I would tend to think Van Hagar 2017 might need a stronger opening act in terms of name recognition and drawing ability than the ones who have opened for the group over the last 3 tours, and probably a rock act (as opposed to Ziggy Marley or Kool & The Gang), so as to ensure the venues come close to selling out. Motley Crue did the same thing with Alice Cooper on their last tour, where Cooper's name was an inducement and made sense in terms of the Crue audience. And possibly a stronger opening act than whatever band Wolfgang Van Halen is playing with (assuming Mike Anthony is to be part of a hypothetical Van Hagar 2017 tour).

But, yeah, Sammy Hagar is getting up there in terms of age. Or, rather, he is already up there. And while his voice has held out a bit better than Roth's has in terms of durability, even Hagar's voice isn't quite what it once was, either.

So, if they're gonna do it, sooner would be better than later.

However, if such a plan IS in the works, they've managed to keep it pretty quiet: if they were actually already rehearsing and were actually already making approaches to promoters for specific dates and venues, it's hard to imagine all of that wouldn't have leaked in a substantive way.

[Von Halen]

Well, okay...that's fine from where I sit.

I mean, for whatever dismissive comments I have about Chickenfoot's or Hagar's abilities to draw sizable crowds to their shows, the fact of the matter is that Dave as a solo act hasn't been able to draw sizable crowds on the strength of his name since...what, 1991? The biggest live venture he was involved with post-1996 was the Sam and Dave tour: prior to that tour, he was an opening act for such bands as Bad Company in 1999. Should Roth leave Van Halen now and go back to being a solo act, he'll be back to doing that same circuit of small capacity venues/Ribfests/State Fair circuits that he has in the years between 2002 and 2007.

He is in a similar situation that Hagar is, in which Hagar's biggest touring venture since leaving Van Halen in 1996 was the Sam and Dave tour. Chickenfoot isn't selling out arenas, and Sam has been playing the same type of similar size gigs that Roth has been as a solo act.

Should Hagar rejoin Van Halen, the band should be able to fill 10,000 seaters, at least for one tour: it's the strength and visibility of the Van Halen name that enables this to happen. Doubtless there are all sorts of subcategories within the Van Halen fan base these days:

Casual fans who don't make severe distinctions between various lineups in terms of it being a deal breaker for buying a ticket or not.

Diehard Eddie fans who will pay to see him play regardless of who is singing for the band.

'Dave or the Grave' fans of that particular lineup.

Van Hagar fans who actually prefer that era of the band above CVH, but would still see VH w/ Roth (and those who wouldn't).



I would tend to think Van Hagar 2017 might need a stronger opening act in terms of name recognition and drawing ability than the ones who have opened for the group over the last 3 tours, and probably a rock act (as opposed to Ziggy Marley or Kool & The Gang), so as to ensure the venues come close to selling out. Motley Crue did the same thing with Alice Cooper on their last tour, where Cooper's name was an inducement and made sense in terms of the Crue audience. And possibly a stronger opening act than whatever band Wolfgang Van Halen is playing with (assuming Mike Anthony is to be part of a hypothetical Van Hagar 2017 tour).

But, yeah, Sammy Hagar is getting up there in terms of age. Or, rather, he is already up there. And while his voice has held out a bit better than Roth's has in terms of durability, even Hagar's voice isn't quite what it once was, either.

So, if they're gonna do it, sooner would be better than later.

However, if such a plan IS in the works, they've managed to keep it pretty quiet: if they were actually already rehearsing and were actually already making approaches to promoters for specific dates and venues, it's hard to imagine all of that wouldn't have leaked in a substantive way.

Did you read the post on the Main page?

I've been told Ed would like to consider doing it sooner than the Fall, but he has a lot going on with the EVH brand right now, and they would need to start booking the sheds very very soon, as a lot of these bands are now booking so far in advance, it will soon be too late to get a whole route/tour scheduled in these venues. I don't believe they are far enough along in this idea, to have started rehearsing.

I believe Van Hagar could absolutely sell 10,000 seaters for one tour. Especially in major cities. The last Van Halen tour while heavily papered in a lot of the cities, was still selling well in the most major markets. You have stated quite well in your posts, why the last tour didn't sell well in a lot of places. In fact, a lot of what you stated is exactly why I went to the show in London, Ontario (and to see Twonabomber and some crazy ass Canadians!) and skipped the show right here in my own back yard. I could have had 6th row on Ed's side, for face value the day of the show, and passed.

I'm over it. With the way they have treated us, for so long, I am fucking over it. If they could have all performed like Dave did in '07, and the rest of the band did in '15, I'd be more inclined to go to more than one show. But at this point, I don't think it is possible. As much as it pains me to say it, I truly believe it is time for Dave to move on. My vote is for him to release the John 5 album.

The only thing this band has left for me, is the release of at least one of the old shows. I'd much rather sit on my couch, and watch one of those shows at ear splitting volume, than go see what I saw in 2015, again. In fact, at this point, I'd choose to sit on the couch and watch my grainy, shitty sounding version of the US Festival, than I would go see what I saw in 2015, again.

[vandeleur]

Fucking vonzie is a mean ol grizzly bear .... he is like the Roth army equivalent of quint in jaws :D

[DONNIEP]

It fills my heart with Heavenly Joy to know that Ed knows him and his brother and his kid couldn't fill a Walmart without Dave or Sam up there. And then the ultimate insult - he's gotta kiss Mike's ass every damn nite by pretending to like him. When do the motherfucking tickets go on sale, Vonzie Claus?? I wouldn't miss this for anything.

[ZahZoo]

Fucking vonzie is a mean ol grizzly bear .... he is like the Roth army equivalent of quint in jaws :D

I was somewhat distracted when I first read this... I thought it said "Fucking vodka" and you were referring to Sesh...

[DavidLeeNatra]

They will sellout 10.000 seaters? Like they did in 2004 when they had to put black blankets on the empty seats?

Only if they do a Co - headlining tour...make it 5.000 seaters. That's what KISS is drawing these days. Van Hagar won't be doing better.

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[Va Beach VH Fan]

Diehard Eddie fans who will pay to see him play regardless of who is singing for the band.


Frankly, this is the only reason why I went to the RHRN tour and the VH III tour....

I mainly spent the RHRN show in the lawn arguing with Hagaritas... :)

And the VH III tour laughing at Cherone....

[Va Beach VH Fan]

They will sellout 10.000 seaters? Like they did in 2004 when they had to put black blankets on the empty seats?

Only if they do a Co - headlining tour...make it 5.000 seaters. That's what KISS is drawing these days. Van Hagar won't be doing better.

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Yeah, they were tarping entire upper decks in some places....

I do think it'll be closer to 10,000 than 5,000, though, due to the commercial hits (lame as they are)....

Plus, as Terry said, there are many, many music fans that will go to a Van Halen show without even knowing or caring who's singing.... Frankly, as long as Ed is there, they can have a few expensive beers and have a good time with their friends....

That won't be me if Van Bette comes to fruition, but anyway....

[twonabomber]

Well if they want to play sheds there won't be any tarps on the lawn. I can't remember a show at Blossom that was pavilion only with no lawn seats sold. They'll either paper the shit out of it (like VH last year) or just let people on the lawn into the pavilion.



The only thing this band has left for me, is the release of at least one of the old shows. I'd much rather sit on my couch, and watch one of those shows at ear splitting volume, than go see what I saw in 2015, again. In fact, at this point, I'd choose to sit on the couch and watch my grainy, shitty sounding version of the US Festival, than I would go see what I saw in 2015, again.

That's one thing we've overlooked...if Ed makes peace with Mike, does that put us closer to a CVH video release? Or, with Dave being out, would Ed not consider it?

[cadaverdog]

It fills my heart with Heavenly Joy to know that Ed knows him and his brother and his kid couldn't fill a Walmart without Dave or Sam up there. .
I disagree. If the Van Halens looked back and realized where they went wrong before Dave quit and put a little effort into finding someone like Steve Marriott to front the band they might be able to resuscitate rock and roll before it's dead and buried. If they had done that back in 85 there might not be a Roth Army now.

[cadaverdog]

That's one thing we've overlooked...if Ed makes peace with Mike, does that put us closer to a CVH video release? Or, with Dave being out, would Ed not consider it?
Doubtful. I think the band's decision to release that turd of a live album they put out last year coupled with Ed's now infamous "Dave's not my friend" interview were all leading up to another tour and live album from Van Hagar. I don't think Ed ever really forgave Dave for quitting the band whether he was driven to it by Ed or not and then out rocking Van Hagar for at least one maybe two albums instead of morphing into the next KC of KC and the Sunshine band he so wanted to become.

[Terry]

They will sellout 10.000 seaters? Like they did in 2004 when they had to put black blankets on the empty seats?

Only if they do a Co - headlining tour...make it 5.000 seaters. That's what KISS is drawing these days. Van Hagar won't be doing better.

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Yes, but don't forget that it was well known via social media before the 2004 tour even started that Ed was in dreadful shape, just as it is well known now that Ed has been sober for quite a while now and is playing much better than he was back in 2004.

Also, KISS has been churning out a much larger number of tours over the last 20 years than Van Halen has, and Van Hagar has only toured once in the last 20 years: if KISS can still sell out 5,000 seaters with 2 scabs and Paul's voice being fucked, Van Hagar shouldn't have any problems doing the same or better with a fully functional EVH playing well along with Mike Anthony rejoining.

[Terry]

Did you read the post on the Main page?

I've been told Ed would like to consider doing it sooner than the Fall, but he has a lot going on with the EVH brand right now, and they would need to start booking the sheds very very soon, as a lot of these bands are now booking so far in advance, it will soon be too late to get a whole route/tour scheduled in these venues. I don't believe they are far enough along in this idea, to have started rehearsing.

I believe Van Hagar could absolutely sell 10,000 seaters for one tour. Especially in major cities. The last Van Halen tour while heavily papered in a lot of the cities, was still selling well in the most major markets. You have stated quite well in your posts, why the last tour didn't sell well in a lot of places. In fact, a lot of what you stated is exactly why I went to the show in London, Ontario (and to see Twonabomber and some crazy ass Canadians!) and skipped the show right here in my own back yard. I could have had 6th row on Ed's side, for face value the day of the show, and passed.

I'm over it. With the way they have treated us, for so long, I am fucking over it. If they could have all performed like Dave did in '07, and the rest of the band did in '15, I'd be more inclined to go to more than one show. But at this point, I don't think it is possible. As much as it pains me to say it, I truly believe it is time for Dave to move on. My vote is for him to release the John 5 album.

The only thing this band has left for me, is the release of at least one of the old shows. I'd much rather sit on my couch, and watch one of those shows at ear splitting volume, than go see what I saw in 2015, again. In fact, at this point, I'd choose to sit on the couch and watch my grainy, shitty sounding version of the US Festival, than I would go see what I saw in 2015, again.

Yeah, I did read it, although honestly I tend to answer by way of whatever is on my mind even if is at best tangential to the specified thread-starter post: just be thankful I tried to keep it within the general framework of the topic, since I could have as easily given a multi-paragraph dissertation as to why I prefer Fruity Pebbles to Lucky Charms.

Yeah, it would have been quite a good show to have attended, should the band have been able to match what they have done on an instrumental level in 2012-2015 to what Roth brought to the stage in 2007/2008: sadly, it looks more and more like that was Dave's Last Hurrah.

I think a Van Hagar reunion, particularly if it is a one-off tour, would sell enough tickets to make the rounds of 10,000 seater venues a viable business undertaking. A decent name opening act a la Alice Cooper on the last Crue tour would seal the deal.

I tend to think Dave would be better served moving on as well, although I'm really not anticipating any future solo endeavors from him, either: I don't think he has some kind of 'EEAS 2' release hidden up his sleeve in terms of quality. Probably closer to his last full-length solo album (which had one good track - Thug Pop), or Van Strumming or Wacky Uncle Dave's Lullabyes For Kiddies In The Style Of Van Halen than something good like The DLR Band CD.

Shit, all I would want - all I have wanted for a decade or more - is to have all those old CVH shows cleaned up and released...even though there isn't really much of a dvd market left to release them to anymore...THAT is an indication of how much time has been wasted, where the tangible formats for such a release have vanished in the amount of years Eddie has been content to put Franky Stripes on shoelaces and coffee mugs.

[Von Halen]

Shit, all I would want - all I have wanted for a decade or more - is to have all those old CVH shows cleaned up and released...even though there isn't really much of a dvd market left to release them to anymore...THAT is an indication of how much time has been wasted, where the tangible formats for such a release have vanished in the amount of years Eddie has been content to put Franky Stripes on shoelaces and coffee mugs.

What? Striped shoelaces? Where do I get them? :D

[Va Beach VH Fan]

Tweet wouldn't embed.....

This is just a coincidence, I'm sure of it....

From Janie VH.....

Still so relevant to what is happening in our world "Right Now".
#timeless #truth #factsoflife #problems

Then a link to the "Right Now" video.....


Yeah, just a coincidence.....

[Terry]

What? Striped shoelaces? Where do I get them? :D

Right next to the authorized Red/Black/White striped limited Eddie Van Halen 5150 Converse sneaker line, reasonably priced at $700 per pair. :drum:

[Romeo Delight]

Right next to the authorized Red/Black/White striped limited Eddie Van Halen 5150 Converse sneaker line, reasonably priced at $700 per pair. :drum:

Ed still owes me a royalty check...I showed him my nike painted hightops in 84 in Vancouver. Just send me a signed guitar...thx.

[FORD]

I disagree. If the Van Halens looked back and realized where they went wrong before Dave quit and put a little effort into finding someone like Steve Marriott to front the band they might be able to resuscitate rock and roll before it's dead and buried. If they had done that back in 85 there might not be a Roth Army now.

Steve Marriott won't be resuscitating anything, since he's been dead and buried himself since 1991. I asked Satan about it, but he refused to send him back up. Sadly he got a lot more than 30 days in that hole. :(

[cadaverdog]

Steve Marriott won't be resuscitating anything, since he's been dead and buried himself since 1991. I asked Satan about it, but he refused to send him back up. Sadly he got a lot more than 30 days in that hole. :(
That's why I said like Steve Marriott.

[FORD]

Well... Kevin DuBrow liked to imiate Steve Marriot (among others) but he's dead too.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6jh-QFlLZU

Steve Marriott probably wouldn't have done much good in 1985 either. He attempted a Small Faces reunion in the late 70s and a Humble Pie reunion in the 80s, and both pretty much flopped.

[Terry]

I dunno...the idea that Van Halen, which over the last 2 decades in essence boils down to Eddie/Alex and whoever they want to sing for them, are going to look beyond previous lead singers and get someone new in there and really make a concerted effort to look forward as opposed to backward...that this will result in something new and exciting musically from the band...

I mean, I like the idea. I really do. If only because the nostalgia route (another tour with Hagar notwithstanding) has been pretty much tapped out, at least as far as my own interest level goes. Like, I understood in 2007 why that first reunion tour was gonna be an oldies only setlist, given the nature of how it came together. 5 years later, in some respects the band made a smart decision to revamp a 1/2 dozen 35 year old demos for inclusion: they all had that signature CVH sound that would appeal to CVH fans, and would only help reestablish a connection with the Van Halen record buying public. They would also be easier starting points for the band to work on, rather than trying to create an entire album from scratch. Much in the way the first reunion tour was going to be easier as an oldies only tour, rather than trying to make a new album in advance of that. THAT would have been a stretch (keeping in mind the amount of time it took Eddie just to get cleaned up for that tour).

My hope was that the band would by now have went on to create another album of predominately new material. While nobody was expecting these guys to put out a new album every year like the CVH days, it's been ten years since they got back together. If it is just (as both of them have stated) that Eddie and Dave have musical differences in personal tastes that make creating new music arduous at best, or they just don't feel the drive or need to put out new music (keeping in mind Ed's 2011 comments that he saw little point in putting out new material if fewer people are buying records than before and many are content to simply download the content for free), the DLR VH reunion of the last decade hasn't resulted in a bounty of new material...and clearly it isn't going to. So where does this lineup go from here? A CVH Greatest Hits tour every few years to refill the coffers?

Ed made a (wrongheaded or not) ballsy decision in 1996 NOT to go the easy route. The easiest thing for him to have done in 1996 would have been to do an album and tour with Dave. It's what I wanted to see. Putting the specific choice of Cherone and the merits of that to one side, Ed was clear back then that he didn't want to become a nostalgia act. They went ahead with Cherone. Ed called the shots for Van Halen III: that was Eddie's baby. Three years later, they saw the results of that bold decision. One can argue (and I'd tend to agree) that the songs simply weren't there for Van Halen III, but in the end they produced an album that sold a fraction of what all the Van Halen albums before that did - and this was well before massive amounts of people could pirate it online for free - and they got dropped from Warner Brothers as a result.

On a creative front, going with a new singer now would to my mind be the most authentic expression of Ed's desire (assuming he even has such a desire) to not be tethered to his past. The problem with Van Halen is that the accomplishments of their history are so baked into the cake now that anything they do with any other singer other than Roth or Hagar is inevitably going to be compared with what the band did with those two singers...and probably will be judged as coming up short.

So, say you're Eddie Van Halen 'Right Now'...do you say thanks to Dave and Sam for the memories and get a fourth singer, knowing in all probability that if your last record with Dave could barely crack a million in sales something with a fourth singer will be lucky to sell half of that in today's climate? Or, do you go forward with a Hagar tour? What would the touring guarantees financially be like for Van Halen Mach 5? How many promoters would even bother investing nickel one into securing venues and dates for a Van Halen tour now featuring a new lead singer? Irving Azoff doesn't have a credible sales pitch to sell what any promoter with an ounce of sense would see as another Van Halen III debacle in the making: a polished turd is still a turd.

[Von Halen]

At this point, I'd love to hear what they could do with a completely different singer. But then you get into the question of, do they go with a proven guy from another band? Or do they go with someone completely unknown? Either way, like Terry said, it will ultimately be measured against both previous versions of the band, and more than likely won't measure up. Not that it couldn't, but I just can't see it being accepted by CVH or Van Hagar fan. That leaves for the most part, a reliance on the average, or even completely new fan, to provide the sales of not only the album, but a tour in support. I do not see that happening in today's climate of the business.

They could always get Dave and Sam clones, and go out and play whatever the fuck they want to play. They seem to love to dictate, so that would give them the ultimate power. 2 hired guns that sing what they are told to sing, and don't create any hassles in the process. Or worse yet, since Dave doesn't seem interested in a dual tour, they go out with Sam, and have a Dave clone sing the CVH songs. How much would that piss off CVH fan? :D Ed, Al, Mike and a Dave clone, along with Clichegar! Ha ha ha! Holy shit. That would be worth the payment to the internet host, just to read all the bitching!

If the money weren't in nostalgia, all these bands doing nostalgia shows these days, wouldn't be prospering, like they are. I mean fuck, most of these bands are well beyond just a clone lead singer. Hell, a lot of them barely have one original member. They're the band in name alone.

[DONNIEP]

Ed should hire Ralph and put on a real fucking show!! Who gives a shit if it ain't really Dave? I'd pay 125 bucks to see that show!

[chuckjitsu]

I personally don't think Ed has any interest in putting out new material with any singer, whether it's Dave, Sam, or some Filipino dude they dug up who sounds like Steve Perry. Ed's made statements about fan expectations in regard to what fans are willing to accept, so I think the odds of a completely new front man are basically zero. So, scratch new material with somebody other than Sam/Dave. Slightly higher would be a new album with Dave, but "slightly higher" in this case basically means "some very small number that's barely above zero". The most likely scenario to me would be new stuff with Sam, but even that has a pretty low chance in my mind.

Let's say the Velveeta '17 tour happens. Then what? How many times can they get away with touring behind a 70+ year old dude in Capris? I think doing anything with Sam drives the final nail into doing anything further with Dave. In my mind, it would really be a disservice to fans if the original lineup never plays together again. That's how you ride off in to the sunset for the Dave era- Mike's back in, Dave turns off the cruise control and steps up like he did in 07-08 and the VH tsunami destroys sheds across America. Probably has as much of a chance of happening as a narcissistic, unqualified failure of a businessman losing a popular vote by millions of votes then becoming president via a retarded, antiquated and disenfranchising "electoral college" system. ;)

[Terry]

At this point, I'd love to hear what they could do with a completely different singer. But then you get into the question of, do they go with a proven guy from another band? Or do they go with someone completely unknown? Either way, like Terry said, it will ultimately be measured against both previous versions of the band, and more than likely won't measure up. Not that it couldn't, but I just can't see it being accepted by CVH or Van Hagar fan. That leaves for the most part, a reliance on the average, or even completely new fan, to provide the sales of not only the album, but a tour in support. I do not see that happening in today's climate of the business.

They could always get Dave and Sam clones, and go out and play whatever the fuck they want to play. They seem to love to dictate, so that would give them the ultimate power. 2 hired guns that sing what they are told to sing, and don't create any hassles in the process. Or worse yet, since Dave doesn't seem interested in a dual tour, they go out with Sam, and have a Dave clone sing the CVH songs. How much would that piss off CVH fan? :D Ed, Al, Mike and a Dave clone, along with Clichegar! Ha ha ha! Holy shit. That would be worth the payment to the internet host, just to read all the bitching!

If the money weren't in nostalgia, all these bands doing nostalgia shows these days, wouldn't be prospering, like they are. I mean fuck, most of these bands are well beyond just a clone lead singer. Hell, a lot of them barely have one original member. They're the band in name alone.

I mean, I gotta tell ya that in theory that when considering what Dave brings to the stage these days, the idea of getting Ralph in there doesn't sound completely hairbrained: the quality of the lead vocals, which is the pivotal point that will keep me from seeing them in the future, would increase to an acceptable level immediately. One can say what they want about the KISS scabs, but it extended KISS's touring viability by several more years than it would have had Frehley and Criss stayed in the group.

As a concert-goer, I don't really care if Eddie and Dave are friends or not. My take on the 2008 and 2012 shows I saw wasn't "oh, it's too bad Ed was too fucked up to play and it's too bad Dave can't cut the mustard vocally anymore, because it was worth $100 a ticket just to see them onstage being friendly again!" I felt a bit gypped in both instances - I paid premium prices to see two shows that really weren't worth the price of admission. Somewhat the same way I felt in the mid 1980s when Hagar joined the band and they were all smiles and high-fives: I didn't give two shits how great that blossoming friendship was when the music failed to move me.

In many ways, the band over the last 15 years can't even measure up to the standards they set even when all or most of the original members of the two lineups are present: I didn't exactly see a deluge of Van Hagar fans lauding Up For Breakfast as a new, timeless Sam Halen classic when that tune was released. If the original members of the first two Van Halen lineups can't measure up to their legacy when they reunite, what chance does a 4th singer have in exactly the terms Von laid out: acceptance? Acceptance and today's music business climate, just as Von said, is the essence of the dilemma.

Much like how Ed turned to Dave in 2006 because the Hagar option was then not viable because of personality conflicts and Ed had no other viable move to make if he wanted to keep working, it's not unreasonable to suggest that Ed could turn to Sam now out of a sense that maybe the Dave Reunion has, for a variety of reasons, simply run its course, and outside of Roth and Hagar Ed HAS no other choices: a 4th singer, regardless of who, is the path to commercial/financial underperforming far as monetary returns go. There are lifestyles to maintain.

Even having said all of that, I'd be interested in hearing what Ed could do with a 4th singer. Although I possibly could be in the minority there, because I'm in an odd spot of having only liked the Roth-led lineup while now having no real interest in that lineup continuing since that's just gonna be restricted to an oldies cash grab every few years.

[cadaverdog]

I've got another suggestion that I don't think anyone has offered up. Instead of another Van Halen album and/or tour with whoever on bass and vocals how about an Ed with or without Alex side project? Something different without the classic EVH sound.
Same thing with Dave. Instead of rehashing some old shit how about trying something new. The John 5 stuff might be something depending on his availability or something completely different ala Robert Plant and Alison Krauss.

[Terry]

I personally don't think Ed has any interest in putting out new material with any singer, whether it's Dave, Sam, or some Filipino dude they dug up who sounds like Steve Perry. Ed's made statements about fan expectations in regard to what fans are willing to accept, so I think the odds of a completely new front man are basically zero. So, scratch new material with somebody other than Sam/Dave. Slightly higher would be a new album with Dave, but "slightly higher" in this case basically means "some very small number that's barely above zero". The most likely scenario to me would be new stuff with Sam, but even that has a pretty low chance in my mind.

Let's say the Velveeta '17 tour happens. Then what? How many times can they get away with touring behind a 70+ year old dude in Capris? I think doing anything with Sam drives the final nail into doing anything further with Dave. In my mind, it would really be a disservice to fans if the original lineup never plays together again. That's how you ride off in to the sunset for the Dave era- Mike's back in, Dave turns off the cruise control and steps up like he did in 07-08 and the VH tsunami destroys sheds across America. Probably has as much of a chance of happening as a narcissistic, unqualified failure of a businessman losing a popular vote by millions of votes then becoming president via a retarded, antiquated and disenfranchising "electoral college" system. ;)

The thing of it is, I don't think either of the Van Halens or Azoff necessarily have a long term strategy. I don't even know how useful such a strategy would even be considering how old the band is and where they are all at, career-wise. Basically, the Van Halens need to be fronted by either Roth or Hagar for enough people to actually pony up the dollars to see the band. And Roth and Hagar, if they aren't fronting Van Halen, are going to be doing solo ventures on a much smaller scale because the interest in them as solo artists these days isn't close to the level of interest when they front Van Halen.

You can almost completely remove the studio recording aspect from the equation now. Recordings don't sell what they used to, the band is no longer dependent on having a record contract to exist, and live shows are where the money is at these days. The era of Van Halen putting out a new record that sells millions of copies, regardless of content or who is singing for them, is over.

I also think it would be (as it has been) the ultimate "I don't give a shit about what you want" from Ed to the fans if the original lineup never performs again. Particularly when he's gone 3/4s of the way over the last 15 years toward that, anyway. I don't know how Michael Anthony feels about performing with the CVH lineup. From what one has read, Anthony has had a limited number of encounters with Roth over the last 30 years, and virtually no contact with the Van Halens over the last 12 years. And Anthony is pretty solvent financially, so it's gotta be more than money that would motivate him to do a reunion. In addition, Ed - and I think any reasonable person would see it along these lines - has shit all over Anthony. Not only has he shit all over him, but he feels totally justified in having done so. I mean, fuck, Ed whittled down Anthony's percentage, then chucked him out of the band for his teenaged kid, then went on to claim Anthony couldn't even play anything that Ed didn't teach him AND claimed that Ed's background vocals were a bigger part of the signature Van Halen sound than Anthony's were! And this was AFTER ED GOT SOBER!!

If I were Mike Anthony, my first and last thought would be that Ed can pretty much go fuck himself and no amount of money is worth dealing with that guy. However, I could see where Anthony would be up for another Van Hagar tour. It won't surprise me if in the end he doesn't end up playing with the band, though. Anthony has such a que sera sera attitude that it seemingly wouldn't bother him if Sam does a tour with Van Halen without him. And I could just as easily see Anthony do a CVH tour because he knows fans want to see that happen, and Anthony would be willing to put aside his own feelings to make that happen for the fans.

But...yeah...it's kinda futile to ponder how much of a future Van Halen have beyond the next tour, regardless of who ends up being onstage for that tour. The short answer is that the band can't really do much beyond just taking it one tour at a time within the limited parameters of who they have to work with that is acceptable to the ticket buying public. How many times can they get away with touring behind Hagar? As many as they can with Roth, and the answer to that is as many times as people are willing to pay to see it. How many times THAT will be is speculative: it's not dark yet, but it's getting there.

[cadaverdog]

Ed should hire Ralph and put on a real fucking show!! Who gives a shit if it ain't really Dave? I'd pay 125 bucks to see that show!
That's not a bad idea. Didn't work out to well for Judas Priest with Ripper Owens or Journey with Steve Aguirre but it worked out damn good for AC/DC with Brian Johnson.

[Va Beach VH Fan]

I've got another suggestion that I don't think anyone has offered up. Instead of another Van Halen album and/or tour with whoever on bass and vocals how about an Ed with or without Alex side project? Something different without the classic EVH sound.


I used to think that would be great as well...

But the more years that have gone by, I don't think it would be much different at all.... I think it would be the same 5 or 6 riffs he's been playing all these years...

Put it this way, don't you think after 40 years that he could change his solo, even a little bit?

[Von Halen]

Let's face it. Whatever Ed decides to do, he is doing it to sell more EVH branded stuff like the guitars. He's trying to bank as much as he can, because he knows that the odds of Wolf making VH type bank on his own, are slim to none. I'm sure he'd like to leave Wolf a sizable bank account, and the EVH brand. With Ed getting ready to release the 5150 version of his guitar as a Striped Series version in 2017, he knows he'll sell more copies of it if he is out there playing live. I am of the opinion that he believes he is down to one choice for another tour, and that's with Clichegar. Like I said in the original post, they have dug just about as far into CVH fans pocket as they can, without giving something substantial in return, and now it is time to get back into Van Hagar fans pockets.

[cadaverdog]

Probably has as much of a chance of happening as a narcissistic, unqualified failure of a businessman losing a popular vote by millions of votes then becoming president via a retarded, antiquated and disenfranchising "electoral college" system. ;)
The system by which President Elect Trump won the election had been around for years. If it was the other way around you'd be praising the electoral college system right now. Trump won, you lost, deal with it.

[cadaverdog]

Let's face it. Whatever Ed decides to do, he is doing it to sell more EVH branded stuff like the guitars. He's trying to bank as much as he can, because he knows that the odds of Wolf making VH type bank on his own, are slim to none. I'm sure he'd like to leave Wolf a sizable bank account, and the EVH brand. With Ed getting ready to release the 5150 version of his guitar as a Striped Series version in 2017, he knows he'll sell more copies of it if he is out there playing live. I am of the opinion that he believes he is down to one choice for another tour, and that's with Clichegar. Like I said in the original post, they have dug just about as far into CVH fans pocket as they can, without giving something substantial in return, and now it is time to get back into Van Hagar fans pockets.
Makes you wonder what makes Jimmy Page so eager to put out something new. I'm sure most of it is the fact that Robert Plant has no plans whatsoever to do anymore Zep shows regardless of how much he could make doing it. It's odd how Page with all his guitar talent can't seem to have anywhere near the amount of success he's had with Plant without him. The Firm was the only thing that even came close.

[chuckjitsu]

The system by which President Elect Trump won the election had been around for years. If it was the other way around you'd be praising the electoral college system right now. Trump won, you lost, deal with it.

If Hilary had won in the manner in which Trump did (lost popular vote, won via EC), I'd feel the exact way about the electoral college. Any system in which the person who receives more legally cast votes doesn't win is flawed to the point of needing to be scrapped entirely, regardless of anybody's part affiliation.

If it makes you feel any better, I didn't vote for Trump OR Hilary as I felt both were terrible candidates who didn't deserve my vote. And if his idea of "draining the swamp" is hiring the same sort of bankster and neocon losers who played a large part in getting us to where we are today, then the new boss is already looking like the old boss and he hasn't even been sworn in yet.

We'll see, but I'm not optimistic at this point (and I'd definitely feel the same way if Clinton had won, probably more so).

[Seshmeister]

The system by which President Elect Trump won the election had been around for years. If it was the other way around you'd be praising the electoral college system right now. Trump won, you lost, deal with it.

He didn't lose and you didn't win, that happened to very rich powerful people.

[Seshmeister]

Let's face it. Whatever Ed decides to do, he is doing it to sell more EVH branded stuff like the guitars.

I have to say at this point I wish Van Halen were as reliable and great sounding as my EVH amp. :)

[FORD]

That's not a bad idea. Didn't work out to well for Judas Priest with Ripper Owens or Journey with Steve Aguirre but it worked out damn good for AC/DC with Brian Johnson.

Brian Johnson wasn't a Bon Scott imitator in a tribute band, so he doesn't really fit the same category as the others you mentioned. Now if they had hired the guy from Krokus, that would have been a valid statement.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRdX2J7BG0s

[Terry]

I used to think that would be great as well...

But the more years that have gone by, I don't think it would be much different at all.... I think it would be the same 5 or 6 riffs he's been playing all these years...

Put it this way, don't you think after 40 years that he could change his solo, even a little bit?

Well, Ed really hasn't developed much over the last 18 years, far as his playing goes.

All he has really demonstrated to me is that he was able to re-learn his old CVH stuff and play it fairly well. That's quite different than actually breaking new ground.

However, maybe there just aren't enough people out there who actually want to hear him DO anything new to make that worthwhile.

Personally, hearing him play Eruption live these days isn't enough of a draw for me to go see it, because that is ground that has already been more than adequately covered. I guess many, many others are specifically paying to hear him play his old licks: goes hand in hand with being a nostalgia act.

Plus, left to his own devices and near-total control, Ed comes up with material like that on the Twister soundtrack, Van Halen III or the porn soundtrack he "composed" in 2006 just before the reunion (if one defines "composing" as being Ed smoking meth, guzzling Draino and wanking on his patented EVH 5150 Trans-Trem Sustainer): Ed's best stuff, to my ears, has been that which resulted from being shepherded along by a creative producer and a strong songwriting partner.

[Terry]

The sad part about all of this is that I feel like I'm expending far more thought about Van Halen than Eddie does.

[DONNIEP]

That's not a bad idea. Didn't work out to well for Judas Priest with Ripper Owens or Journey with Steve Aguirre but it worked out damn good for AC/DC with Brian Johnson.

But it did work really well when Journey brought in Arnel. They re-recorded all their hits and that record sold pretty damn well. And they sold a good number of DVDs too. That tour was a YUGE comeback for them and it did well. Now we all know Journey ain't no Van Halen and their fans don't have the insane attachment to the band that we do. But for Journey at least, their fans didn't give a shit who that little guy was so long as he sounded like Perry, and he's close, really close.

Would it work for Van Halen? I wanna say no but then again a helluva lot of concert goers show up for just about any big name band that rolls through town. I believe for most people it's just a semi expensive nite out to have fun and they're not sitting around arguing about who's singing and every other bit of minutiae like we do. Do I want Dave out of the band? No, at least not if he can get his voice up to par. If not, bring on Ralph and at least it would sound like CVH! Of course, it ain't never gonna happen but it's fun to imagine. Besides, anybody that listens to the old Punks doing LUTS with Mikey and it'll blow your damn Bawllz off.

[DONNIEP]

The sad part about all of this is that I feel like I'm expending far more thought about Van Halen than Eddie does.

We all have. For almost 32 years now.

[vandeleur]

Can I just point out for the record that Brian Johnson didnt join ACDC because Bon couldnt be arsed to practice or remember the words. Just saying ;)

[cadaverdog]

He didn't lose and you didn't win, that happened to very rich powerful people.I never said I won, I said Trump won. Anyone who backed the opposition lost, including you. Deal with it.

[Seshmeister]

I never said I won, I said Trump won. Anyone who backed the opposition lost, including you. Deal with it.

This is very silly thinking and part of the problem. It's not like supporting a sports team. As long as Trump doesn't start any wars or destroy the world economy it doesn't affect me at all apart from making me feel a bit sad about what is happening to a country I'm fond of and have quite a lot of friends in.

You may be affected a hell of a lot more directly, we'll see...

[vandeleur]

I sometimes wonder if the real sad thing about trump winning was vonzie being right :biggrin:

[cadaverdog]

Can I just point out for the record that Brian Johnson didnt join ACDC because Bon couldnt be arsed to practice or remember the words. Just saying ;)
I'm well aware Bon Scott died and they hired Brian Johnson, who Bon practically recommended after seeing him play with Geordie years before. Judas Priest didn't replace Rob Halford with Ripper Owens because he sucked either. He quit. Journey replaced Steve Perry because of Perry's health issues. All three replacements where chosen because they sounded similar to the previous vocalist.

[Seshmeister]

And he got the Van Hagar scoop.

Even insane broken maverick clocks are correct twice. :)

What a fucking embaressment Trump is and he hasn't even started.

It's toe curling...




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Just tried watching Saturday Night Live - unwatchable! Totally biased, not funny and the Baldwin impersonation just can't get any worse. Sad

[vandeleur]

And he got the Van Hagar scoop.

Even insane broken maverick clocks are correct twice. :)

What a fucking embaressment Trump is and he hasn't even started.

It's toe curling...

The crazy thing is the more he bites the more hollywood will take shots. Every kid in school learns that pretty quick.

[Seshmeister]

He's nearly 70 FFS but inside still a fat stupid spoiled kid who just wants to be loved.

[Seshmeister]

It's going to get to a point fast where people are going to say things like 'Remember the dignity and wisdom GW Bush had while in office'. :D

Anyhoo sorry for helping to take the thread off topic.

[vandeleur]

He's nearly 70 FFS but inside still a fat stupid spoiled kid who just wants to be loved.

I know and the stupid dune buggy wtf ;)

[Seshmeister]

I know and the stupid dune buggy wtf ;)

Nicely set up for you and finished with style. :)

[Nickdfresh]

Well, Ed really hasn't developed much over the last 18 years, far as his playing goes.

...

Or 38 years for that matter...

[Seshmeister]

At this point, I'd love to hear what they could do with a completely different singer.

I'm surprised at you posting that because last week when we were talking online YOU DIDN'T APPEAR TO HAVE HAD A FUCKING MENTAL BREAKDOWN AT THAT POINT! :biggrin:

[cadaverdog]

This is very silly thinking and part of the problem.
Of course it is. You're a typical liberal.

[Va Beach VH Fan]

Personally, hearing him play Eruption live these days isn't enough of a draw for me to go see it, because that is ground that has already been more than adequately covered.


Understandable. But I gotta say, watching him play Eruption from the front row, like at the 2012 Forum rehearsal show, was pretty fucking great....

I was right next to Jeff when he took this video....

https://youtu.be/6w12AmqQuKY

WTF happened to embedding?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6w12AmqQuKY&feature=youtu.be

[DONNIEP]

I don't ever want to sit through that same solo again. The guy need to switch it up.

[vandeleur]

I don't ever want to sit through that same solo again. The guy need to switch it up.

Why not he sat threw it ;)

[DONNIEP]

Why not he sat threw it ;)

The only way I'm gonna watch another solo of Ed's is if he's drunk and uses drumsticks. Again. Now Mike's solo is a different story. I can't wait for that!!

[Nickdfresh]

I don't ever want to sit through that same solo again. The guy need to switch it up.

Sure, he'll reach into his ten albums in a can and pull something magnificent out! Hey! What do you mean that's a 35 year old demo?

[Nickdfresh]

The only way I'm gonna watch another solo of Ed's is if he's drunk and uses drumsticks. Again. Now Mike's solo is a different story. I can't wait for that!!

Mikes bass solos are "why they hate us"!

[Jetstream]

If Ed and Al get a new singer, then they are going to have to give the guy a little more control than what they gave Cherone other than being a 'yes' man to Ed's inability to piece a fucking song together to save his life. In other words, he is going to have to be more than just a singer if it's new material for the dysfunctional Van Halen. Ed has no direction in anything. Van Halen III sucked because that was Ed in control of the entire compositions and that is why his 'vault of many colors' is no more than an odd collection of tinkering and fragments in my opinion. Ed cannot lead and the word cohesive does not come to mind when I think about him. Ed is the grand noodler with his guitar. Ed can come up with amazing shit but he needs to have a hammer on his ass constantly to challenge him and mold the metal so to speak or he will just meander into dribble without a foundation. Roth and Hagar's version of Van Halen was different because not only the style of singing was different, but they where a main ingredient in the compositions and how they where written to sound as a whole. Ed cannot put a Lego set together or a jigsaw puzzle... not to mention a solid composition on his own :)

[big fatty]

https://www.instagram.com/p/BNlp9hzDsCv/

Hmmm.

[twonabomber]

Guns N' Roses have announced more US dates for 2017, they'll be starting at the end of July and continuing through early September. Those shows go on sale Saturday.

Meanwhile, VHagar will wait until the last minute to announce their tour, and fans who can only swing one pricey "event" show a year may already have GNR tickets and not bother with VHagar.

[twonabomber]

https://www.instagram.com/p/BNlp9hzDsCv/

Hmmm.

Sammy: "Don't I know you from somewhere? You look familiar."

Ray: "Nope..."

[Nickdfresh]

Guns N' Roses have announced more US dates for 2017, they'll be starting at the end of July and continuing through early September. Those shows go on sale Saturday.

Meanwhile, VHagar will wait until the last minute to announce their tour, and fans who can only swing one pricey "event" show a year may already have GNR tickets and not bother with VHagar.

Stadiums no less...

[cadaverdog]

If Ed and Al get a new singer, then they are going to have to give the guy a little more control than what they gave Cherone other than being a 'yes' man to Ed's inability to piece a fucking song together to save his life. In other words, he is going to have to be more than just a singer if it's new material for the dysfunctional Van Halen.
If Ed (or the brothers along with Alex) had put more effort into finding another front man after Sammy quit (or got fired) there might not have been any more reunions with Sammy or Dave but then again who knows how long another singer would have lasted considering Ed's obvious moodiness. At this point I think the best option for VH financially would be one last tour with Hagar and retire or just say fuck it and retire now.

[Seshmeister]

Guns N' Roses have announced more US dates for 2017, they'll be starting at the end of July and continuing through early September. Those shows go on sale Saturday.


It's a proper World Tour but no Scottish date which I'm actually relieved about as I'm looking at being pressured into at least $500 of tickets and it's not worth it to me. :)

Still may be added though, only 1 UK date at the moment but plenty of space in the schedule to add more...

[twonabomber]

Buffalo is only a couple hours away but I don't think I'd go even if the show was here.

[vandeleur]

Yeah I have two kids of the age we're they want a family guns and roses trip away ..... it will cost an arm and a leg and a little bit of my soul .
Ain't seen the band since 88 wonder what they have been up to :D

[Von Halen]

They were here on the first go round a few months ago. I didn't go. I saw them several times when they were really GNR. Why would I spend a fortune to go see this version?

[vandeleur]

They were here on the first go round a few months ago. I didn't go. I saw them several times when they were really GNR. Why would I spend a fortune to go see this version?

Did you just copy and paste that from the van Hagar thread :)

[Seshmeister]

Yeah I have two kids of the age we're they want a family guns and roses trip away ..... it will cost an arm and a leg and a little bit of my soul .
Ain't seen the band since 88 wonder what they have been up to :D

I was one of those annoying people who got Appetite the week it came out and so spent most of the following couple of years pointing that out to all their new fans. :)

Despite that I never actually saw them live. Saw the Slash with Myles Kennedy thing which is maybe close enough.

I'm not into this new development of the kids wanting to go to gigs. Not only is it very expensive, I don't want them there anyway it's adult time. :)

[Von Halen]

Did you just copy and paste that from the van Hagar thread :)

I thought this was the Van Hagar thread?

[Von Halen]

Saw the Slash with Myles Kennedy thing which is maybe close enough.



How come you never saw them previously Sesh? They never played there?

I'd much rather see Slash with Kennedy at this point, than see him with Rose. If fact, I'd rather see Alter Bridge than this version of GNR.

[Seshmeister]

How come you never saw them previously Sesh? They never played there?


Not much.

They did a short tour when the album 1st came out with Faster Pussycat which I missed and then just a few festival/stadium shows in England.

The Axl solo GNR act has rolled through once or twice but I didn't want to give him my money for a 3 hour late show with a bunch of mediocrity.

[vandeleur]

I thought this was the Van Hagar thread?

So it's all about facts now :biggrin:

[vandeleur]

I was one of those annoying people who got Appetite the week it came out and so spent most of the following couple of years pointing that out to all their new fans. :)

Despite that I never actually saw them live. Saw the Slash with Myles Kennedy thing which is maybe close enough.

I'm not into this new development of the kids wanting to go to gigs. Not only is it very expensive, I don't want them there anyway it's adult time. :)

I only caught them at monsters of rock , they were good targets when you had filled ya piss bottle.
Guessing missus might kick off if I repeat it this time :)

[Terry]

Stadiums no less...

I really don't see Van Hagar going on tour as a stadium headline act: Van Halen with Roth can't put enough asses in seats to fill a stadium these days, so it's hard to see where Van Hagar could.

[Terry]

Van Halen were never really a stadium-level headline act in the US to begin with.

Had they went on to do another tour with Roth after the 1984 one, maybe they could have done a series of stadium shows.

I mean, the 1988 Monsters of Rock shows or the US Festival aren't really good yardsticks to argue Van Halen was a stadium-level headline act, because Van Halen was merely headlining the bill of a LOT of other name acts in both cases.

I don't even think if Mike Anthony rejoined and it was a One Last Time CVH tour that the band could sell out stadiums at this point.

[Va Beach VH Fan]

Van Halen were never really a stadium-level headline act in the US to begin with.

Had they went on to do another tour with Roth after the 1984 one, maybe they could have done a series of stadium shows.


That was one of the reasons why DLR left/quit/got fired...

The VH boys only wanted to do a couple dozen stadium shows in 1985, but Roth didn't like it....

[cadaverdog]

They were here on the first go round a few months ago. I didn't go. I saw them several times when they were really GNR. Why would I spend a fortune to go see this version?
I don't get that. Adler and Stradlin left the band years before Axl pissed the other members off and decided to keep the name with him as lead singer and hire a backing band. If it was because Axl pissed you off sometime in the past I could understand your point but as long as Axl, Slash and Duff are still in the band I don't. Then again I don't get some peoples attitude towards The Who. Moon and Entwhistle are dead. As far as I know Entwhistle didn't have a problem with The Who carrying on after Moon died. Seems like he'd want them to carry on if he died as well. As long as Daltrey and Townsend are still in the band they're still The Who IMO.

[FORD]

I don't get that. Adler and Stradlin left the band years before Axl pissed the other members off and decided to keep the name with him as lead singer and hire a backing band. If it was because Axl pissed you off sometime in the past I could understand your point but as long as Axl, Slash and Duff are still in the band I don't.

The 3/5 lineup can pull off a GNR live show, but if they ever made another record, Izzy's absence would be obvious. He was essential to the songwriting, which is why the only GNR album made after his departure was a covers album (no, Chinese hypocrisy doesn't count. Axl spent twice as much time on that record than Tom Scholz spent on any "Boston" album, and it STILL sucked ass).


Then again I don't get some peoples attitude towards The Who. Moon and Entwhistle are dead. As far as I know Entwhistle didn't have a problem with The Who carrying on after Moon died. Seems like he'd want them to carry on if he died as well. As long as Daltrey and Townsend are still in the band they're still The Who IMO.

After that horrible Super Bowl performance, they really should have hung it up. They're still touring with scabs, but the Super Bowl hasn't had an actual musician play the half time show since then. Hard to forgive Roger & Pete for that.

[Terry]

Daltrey and Townshend are legally able to call the band 'The Who' and punters are perfectly free to see it.

Personally, for me The Who means Daltrey, Townshend, Entwistle and Moon. And even THAT lineup was showing signs of strain in the last couple of years before Moon died.

When I think of The Who live, it's with those four guys banging away onstage. Not doing so with 1/2 dozen supplemental musicians. To be fair, The Who did some decent stuff with Jones in 1979, 1980 and 1981 live. They did some decent stuff live with Starkey from 1999 to 2002 live.

People are free to define what The Who is and means for them any way they like. For me, that band's best days are 40 years behind them.

[Terry]

That was one of the reasons why DLR left/quit/got fired...

The VH boys only wanted to do a couple dozen stadium shows in 1985, but Roth didn't like it....

I mean, it's not to say that Van Halen COULDN'T have went on to become a band that filled stadiums solely on the strength of their name had Roth stuck around in the 1980s: their career was well on the way to doing so by the time 1985 rolled around.

I gotta be honest, though: if I've seen...say...roughly 80-100 shows over the last 30 odd years, precious few of the really memorable ones were those that took place in stadiums.

It's a large part of why I didn't bother going to see Guns and Roses this past year: I no longer feel the need to pay hundreds of dollars per ticket to schlep off to some stadium 70 miles away and cram in there with 60,000 other people to see a rock band.

[chuckjitsu]

Daltrey and Townshend are legally able to call the band 'The Who' and punters are perfectly free to see it.

Personally, for me The Who means Daltrey, Townshend, Entwistle and Moon. And even THAT lineup was showing signs of strain in the last couple of years before Moon died.

When I think of The Who live, it's with those four guys banging away onstage. Not doing so with 1/2 dozen supplemental musicians. To be fair, The Who did some decent stuff with Jones in 1979, 1980 and 1981 live. They did some decent stuff live with Starkey from 1999 to 2002 live.

People are free to define what The Who is and means for them any way they like. For me, that band's best days are 40 years behind them.

That's how I feel too. When you get to the point that there are as many (or more) non original band members onstage as there are originals, it's probably time to hang it up.

[Terry]

That's how I feel too. When you get to the point that there are as many (or more) non original band members onstage as there are originals, it's probably time to hang it up.

I mean, I suppose 'The Who' are a viable band as long as people are still willing to pay money to see them.

When I see the amount of side musicians dwarfing the amount of original members...it doesn't really resemble (or even particularly sound like) the band I identify as The Who. And I fucking LOVE The Who...it's just that what is transpiring under that band name now isn't The Who to me. The Who, to my mind, is a group that is simply part of history now. And they have been since, fuck, I was barely a teenager when they did their first Farewell Tour in 1982. And THAT was 4 years after Moon died.

I mean, nobody is gonna convince me what the band have been doing over the last 30 odd years live stacks up to what the band did when Moon was around. But, sadly, that is gone forever.

At least today we still have great contemporary pop rock artists like...Beyoncé...:frown1:

[cadaverdog]

I mean, it's not to say that Van Halen COULDN'T have went on to become a band that filled stadiums solely on the strength of their name had Roth stuck around in the 1980s: their career was well on the way to doing so by the time 1985 rolled around.

If they had done the stadium tour Roth wasn't interested in doing because nobody would see his queer as a three dollar bill shoes they probably would have or come close to selling out every show as long as they stuck to really big cities like L A, New York City, San Francisco, Chicago, Detroit. Philly and such.

[cadaverdog]

When I think of The Who live, it's with those four guys banging away onstage. Not doing so with 1/2 dozen supplemental musicians. To be fair, The Who did some decent stuff with Jones in 1979, 1980 and 1981 live. They did some decent stuff live with Starkey from 1999 to 2002 live.

You were only 8 or 9 when Moon died. How many live shows did you see with Roger, Pete, Keith and John? The first and only time I saw them was in San Diego in 82. It was supposed to be the last or next to last live Who performance in the U S. I had been to quite a few live shows myself and I still rate that one at or near the top of the best live shows I've ever attended.

[Va Beach VH Fan]

I mean, it's not to say that Van Halen COULDN'T have went on to become a band that filled stadiums solely on the strength of their name had Roth stuck around in the 1980s: their career was well on the way to doing so by the time 1985 rolled around.

I gotta be honest, though: if I've seen...say...roughly 80-100 shows over the last 30 odd years, precious few of the really memorable ones were those that took place in stadiums.

It's a large part of why I didn't bother going to see Guns and Roses this past year: I no longer feel the need to pay hundreds of dollars per ticket to schlep off to some stadium 70 miles away and cram in there with 60,000 other people to see a rock band.


True, I guess the point that I'm making is that post-1984 tour that's the trajectory that VH was on....

The vast majority of us saw VH on the 1984 tour... We saw firsthand what an event (not just a concert) Van Halen coming to town had become by that point....

I had the pleasure of seeing VH in southern California in San Diego that year... They were there for 2 nights over the weekend..... San Diego is a fairly large city, you couldn't go anywhere without people talking about VH.... Downtown, beaches, you name it.....

I just think, if done right (which is a big IF, of course, in hindsight), they could have been hitting that elite level of bands.... IMO their combination of fantastic music and stage shows gave it at least a possibility....

[Von Halen]

True, I guess the point that I'm making is that post-1984 tour that's the trajectory that VH was on....

The vast majority of us saw VH on the 1984 tour... We saw firsthand what an event (not just a concert) Van Halen coming to town had become by that point....

I had the pleasure of seeing VH in southern California in San Diego that year... They were there for 2 nights over the weekend..... San Diego is a fairly large city, you couldn't go anywhere without people talking about VH.... Downtown, beaches, you name it.....

I just think, if done right (which is a big IF, of course, in hindsight), they could have been hitting that elite level of bands.... IMO their combination of fantastic music and stage shows gave it at least a possibility....

I've told this story many times, but in 1984 my buddy Barrie, who had been front row with me for the 4 previous tours, and I decided we were going to join the Navy. We go to the recruiting office, and we're talking to the recruiter. We get down to the nitty gritty and he tells us we'll need to go home and pack, as we'd be leaving in the morning. I'm like "In the morning as tomorrow morning?" He tells us yeah, that's the deal, we sign up and then leave in the morning. Now I don't know the real logic in that, other than they might want to move fast so you didn't have time to change your mind, back in those days, but that's the way he presented it. Anyway, I tell the guy "I can't leave tomorrow, Van Halen is in town next week". He tells me if I'm signing up, I'm leaving in the morning. Long story short, I never went in the Navy. Barrie did, and hated every second of it. I still have Barrie's full ticket from the show, that he never got to use.

Van Halen had the biggest stage show/production of any rock band touring in 1984, period. However, to me, the "stage show" and some of the production hurt the '84 tour. The flow of the show just wasn't as good with all the extracurricular crap. Dave had to change costumes every other song it seemed, do his sword routine, the long drum, bass and guitar solos. I don't know, the previous shows seemed more straight ahead in your face rock music shows, than productions. I never wanted VH to go stadiums, even though I would have loved to have been at the US Festival.

I still don't care for Stadium shows to this day. I saw several bands at the Pontiac Silverdome. Didn't care for that. I prefer a more intimate show.

[vandeleur]

Cool story but a little sad, am sorry you only ever had one friend and he went away and you didn't know anyone else to give the ticket to.

;)

[Seshmeister]

Given the amount of backing tapes stadium acts use and the fact that you watch the TV monitors most of the gig it's basically worse than putting a small plastic chair in your lounge and watching a DVD while drinking $10 beers. In the summer here it is still daylight at 10pm so that sucks away even more atmosphere as you lose any light show.

That promoters have the fucking cheek to charge extra for stadium shows pisses me off, it would need to be something extra special to pursuade me to go to one these days.

[cadaverdog]

I never wanted VH to go stadiums, even though I would have loved to have been at the US Festival.

The US Festival wasn't really a stadium show. Glen Hellen or whatever it's called now is an amphitheater. It was all lawn seating then but it has reserved seating with actual seats and lawn seating now. It was more like Cal Jam at Ontario Motor Speedway but way more organized. I had to hold my piss at Cal Jam from 2 in the morning until it got dark that evening. At that point I just whipped it out and started pissing. So did thousands of other dudes. At the US it was fairly easy to move around once you made it out of the crowd.

[Von Halen]

The US Festival wasn't really a stadium show. Glen Hellen or whatever it's called now is an amphitheater. It was all lawn seating then but it has reserved seating with actual seats and lawn seating now. It was more like Cal Jam at Ontario Motor Speedway but way more organized. I had to hold my piss at Cal Jam from 2 in the morning until it got dark that evening. At that point I just whipped it out and started pissing. So did thousands of other dudes. At the US it was fairly easy to move around once you made it out of the crowd.

You have got to be one of those dogs that does nothing but chase its tail.

[twonabomber]

I still don't care for Stadium shows to this day. I saw several bands at the Pontiac Silverdome. Didn't care for that. I prefer a more intimate show.

What are they going to do with the Palace now that the Pistons are moving downtown?

[Von Halen]

What are they going to do with the Palace now that the Pistons are moving downtown?

Razing it.

[vandeleur]

You have got to be one of those dogs that does nothing but chase its tail.

And lick its balls :)

[Va Beach VH Fan]

I've told this story many times, but in 1984 my buddy Barrie, who had been front row with me for the 4 previous tours, and I decided we were going to join the Navy. We go to the recruiting office, and we're talking to the recruiter. We get down to the nitty gritty and he tells us we'll need to go home and pack, as we'd be leaving in the morning. I'm like "In the morning as tomorrow morning?" He tells us yeah, that's the deal, we sign up and then leave in the morning. Now I don't know the real logic in that, other than they might want to move fast so you didn't have time to change your mind, back in those days, but that's the way he presented it. Anyway, I tell the guy "I can't leave tomorrow, Van Halen is in town next week". He tells me if I'm signing up, I'm leaving in the morning. Long story short, I never went in the Navy. Barrie did, and hated every second of it. I still have Barrie's full ticket from the show, that he never got to use.

Van Halen had the biggest stage show/production of any rock band touring in 1984, period. However, to me, the "stage show" and some of the production hurt the '84 tour. The flow of the show just wasn't as good with all the extracurricular crap. Dave had to change costumes every other song it seemed, do his sword routine, the long drum, bass and guitar solos. I don't know, the previous shows seemed more straight ahead in your face rock music shows, than productions. I never wanted VH to go stadiums, even though I would have loved to have been at the US Festival.

I still don't care for Stadium shows to this day. I saw several bands at the Pontiac Silverdome. Didn't care for that. I prefer a more intimate show.


That's strange, Von.... I signed up for the Navy in March 1983 but I didn't fly to San Diego for boot camp until November..... Maybe that recruiter had to fill his quotas faster, dunno....

I don't want to stress the stadium angle TOO much, but rather how VH would have been regarded had the original four members stayed together.....

But just for the fuck of it, I just looked at Zep's last US tour in '77.... There were a handful of stadiums, but the majority of the tour were arenas for multiple nights.....

[Von Halen]

That's strange, Von.... I signed up for the Navy in March 1983 but I didn't fly to San Diego for boot camp until November..... Maybe that recruiter had to fill his quotas faster, dunno....

I don't want to stress the stadium angle TOO much, but rather how VH would have been regarded had the original four members stayed together.....

But just for the fuck of it, I just looked at Zep's last US tour in '77.... There were a handful of stadiums, but the majority of the tour were arenas for multiple nights.....

Yeah, maybe. All I know is Barrie left the next day, and I didn't! It may have been a quota thing. Wichita isn't exactly a big city.

I've always preferred smaller venues, but even more so these days.

[cadaverdog]

You have got to be one of those dogs that does nothing but chase its tail.
I piss on car tires and growl at waiters or waitresses that try to take my plate before I'm done too.

[cadaverdog]

That's strange, Von.... I signed up for the Navy in March 1983 but I didn't fly to San Diego for boot camp until November..... Maybe that recruiter had to fill his quotas faster, dunno....

My experience was a bit different as well. After I talked to the recruiter and did some tests in his office he took me to the AFEES station near downtown L A. After I finished a fairly long physical I was sent to an office full of squids and checked out a couple offers. I scored an 85 on my ASVAB so I had plenty of options. Since I was trying to enlist in one of the largest cities population wise in the U S most of the offers I got would put me on delayed enlistment for six months or more. Eventually I decided to join The Navy Reserve which got me in in three. When it was time to start boot I had to go back to the AFEES station and take another physical. I found out when I was in boot it's harder to join from a big city than a small town because all the Armed Forces branches have quotas. You could be a dumbass from some podunk little town and go right in but you could be a genius from L A or some other big city and wait 6 months to get in.

[ZahZoo]

You have got to be one of those dogs that does nothing but chase its tail.

I think you are cuntfusing him with FuckFish...

Where is that pussy..? Hagar news like this should have brought him out more excited than Mr Wanker with a new fucking Christmas Compilation!!

[cadaverdog]

And lick its balls :)
Nope. I don't sniff butts either.

[Von Halen]

I think you are cuntfusing him with FuckFish...

Where is that pussy..? Hagar news like this should have brought him out more excited than Mr Wanker with a new fucking Christmas Compilation!!

He is busy with Mean Machine, rehearsing their Van Hagar setlist.


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[Terry]

True, I guess the point that I'm making is that post-1984 tour that's the trajectory that VH was on....

The vast majority of us saw VH on the 1984 tour... We saw firsthand what an event (not just a concert) Van Halen coming to town had become by that point....

I had the pleasure of seeing VH in southern California in San Diego that year... They were there for 2 nights over the weekend..... San Diego is a fairly large city, you couldn't go anywhere without people talking about VH.... Downtown, beaches, you name it.....

I just think, if done right (which is a big IF, of course, in hindsight), they could have been hitting that elite level of bands.... IMO their combination of fantastic music and stage shows gave it at least a possibility....

Yeah, I'd tend to think many of us here only got the chance to see CVH on the 1984 tour. That was the only tour I got to see them on, and I had only just started going to concerts when they came to town. In fact, I had to get up very early and hustle over to the local mall record store in order to get in line and get tickets when the record store ticket box office opened.

Like Von said, the 1984 tour in terms of production was SPECTACULAR. Still to this day one of the biggest I've ever seen in an arena, and definitely the biggest in terms of production that year. But it was also exactly like Von said in that because of all the costume changes, various solos and whatnot the band weren't able to do more than a few tunes in a row before somebody took a solo, or Dave told some jokes.

For me, Van Halen did hit that level of elite bands by the time 1984 rolled around. When they came to Rhode Island that year, it was all anybody was talking about in the weeks leading up to the show, keeping in mind that the show was in mid-March and only Jump had been released as a single off the 1984 album at that point.

The thing of it is, "that elite level of bands" seemingly goes hand in hand with massive stadium shows. I mean, The Stones 1989 Steel Wheels show was THE biggest stage show I've ever seen anywhere...ever. I wouldn't say it was the best show on a musical level, though.

I'm sure Van Halen could have went on to do shows on that scale. They had no problems headlining the US Festival in terms of confidence and command of the stage and the performance (keeping in mind they were all half bombed at that gig). It's just as well they didn't.