White American men are a bigger domestic terrorist threat than Muslim foreigners

[Seshmeister]

Talk about stating the fucking obvious but the media is so fucked up these days I have to post this...





White American men are a bigger domestic terrorist threat than Muslim foreigners


Since Trump took office, more Americans have been killed by white American men with no connection to Islam than by Muslim terrorists or foreigners.

Updated by Jennifer Williams@jenn_ruthjennifer@vox.com Oct 2, 2017, 11:30am EDT

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Las Vegas police stand guard along the streets outside the Route 91 Harvest Country music festival grounds on October 1, 2017, in Las Vegas, Nevada. David Becker/Getty Images

When President Donald Trump signed his since-revised executive order banning people from seven Muslim-majority countries from entering the United States, he claimed it was to protect Americans from “radical Islamic terrorists.”

“We don’t want ‘em here,” Trump told reporters at the Pentagon, where he signed the order in January.

But in the eight months since Trump took office, more Americans have been killed in attacks by white American men with no connection to Islam than by Muslim terrorists or foreigners.

Radical Islamic terrorists inspired or directed by groups like ISIS and al-Qaeda do pose a clear threat to the US. There is no question about that. Before last night’s deadly shooting in Las Vegas, the deadliest mass shooting in modern US history occurred in June 2016 when an ISIS-inspired man opened fire in a gay nightclub in Orlando, Florida, killing 49 people and wounding 53.

And ISIS-linked militants have killed or injured dozens of people in countries like England, France, and Canada so far this year, including two women killed in a stabbing attack in Marseille, France, and several people injured in a car-ramming attack in Edmonton, Canada, just this weekend.

But here at home, the bigger threat has come from a very different kind of attacker, one with no ties to religion generally or Islamist extremism specifically.

Here are just a few of the attacks that have occurred in 2017:

Sunday night, a 64-year-old white man from Nevada opened fire on a crowd of more than 22,000 people at a country music festival in Las Vegas, killing more than 50 and wounding more than 200.

In August, a 20-year-old white Nazi sympathizer from Ohio sped his car into a crowd of anti-racist protesters in Charlottesville, Virginia, killing a woman and injuring at least 19 others.

In June, a 66-year-old white man from Illinois shot at Republican Congress members during an early morning baseball practice, severely wounding several people including Rep. Steve Scalise of Louisiana, the House of Representatives Majority Whip.

In March 2017, a 28-year-old white man from Baltimore traveled to New York City with the explicit aim of killing black men. He stabbed 66-year-old Timothy Caughman to death and was charged with terrorism by New York state authorities.

In May, a 35-year-old white man from Oregon named Jeremy Joseph Christian began harassing Muslim teenagers on a train in Portland, telling them “We need Americans here!” Two men interceded; Christian then stabbed and killed them both.

In fact, between 2001 and 2015, more Americans were killed by homegrown right-wing extremists than by Islamist terrorists, according to a study by New America, a nonpartisan think tank in Washington, DC.

A June 2017 study by Reveal and the Center for Investigative Reporting found a similar pattern:

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Even the “radical Islamic terrorists” are usually US citizens
In Trump’s very first speech to Congress, he claimed that “the vast majority of individuals convicted of terrorism and terrorism-related offenses since 9/11 came here from outside of our country.”

But none of the perpetrators of the major US terrorist attacks carried out in the name of Islam in the past 15 years have come from the nations on Trump’s travel ban (either the original one or the new, revised version that was released late last month). In fact, the country home to the biggest number of terrorists who have carried out successful attacks inside the US is the US itself.

The San Bernardino shooting that killed 14 people was carried out by an American-born US citizen of Pakistani descent and a lawful permanent US resident of Pakistani descent. The Orlando nightclub shooter who murdered 49 people was an American-born US citizen of Afghan descent. The Boston marathon bombers, who identified as ethnic Chechen, came to the US from Kyrgyzstan and grew up in Cambridge, Massachusetts, before carrying out attacks that left three dead. Faisal Shahzad, the attempted Times Square bomber, was Pakistani-American. Nidal Hasan, who killed 13 people at Fort Hood in 2009, was born in Virginia to Palestinian parents.

And as my colleague Zack Beauchamp has written, the average likelihood of an American being killed in a terrorist attack in which an immigrant participated in any given year is one in 3.6 million — even including the 9/11 deaths. The average American is more likely to die from their own clothing or a toddler with a gun than an immigrant terrorist. But we’re not banning guns and T-shirts from coming into the country.

Adopting extremist views and committing horrendous acts of violence in the name of some "righteous" cause, be it religion or politics or just plain old hatred, isn't something that only Muslims, or Arabs, or immigrants, or any other group of people do. It's something humans do.

[Terry]

I may have mentioned this before, but over the last 3 years a mosque was built in my town, finally completed about 6 months ago.

I don't for a moment worry about anybody in the local Muslim community engaging in acts of violence toward me: I'm not a Muslim, but my main worry is some white nationalist will try to destroy the mosque.

If I really think about it, I worry far more about some white gun owner going ballistic during rush hour and going on a road-rage shooting rampage than I do being the victim of a (voice of doom, here:) 'RADICAL ISLAMIC TERRORIST ATTACK!'...the odds of which are essentially zero.

[cadaverdog]

[QUOTE=Terry;1929094]I don't for a moment worry about anybody in the local Muslim community engaging in acts of violence toward me: I'm not a Muslim, but my main worry is some white nationalist will try to destroy the mosque.

QUOTE]
Do you even know what a nationalist is?

na·tion·al·ist
[ˈnaSH(ə)nələst]

NOUN
a person who advocates political independence for a country:
A white nationalist is just a white person who believes their country should be governed by their people. There are plenty of black, red, yellow and even rainbow nationalists as well. A white nationalist is not necessarily a white supremacist even though you libtards want to believe they are. Obviously there are no white or any other color nationalist in Scotland.

[jacksmar]

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/spain-terror-attacks-put-muslims-catalonia-under-harsh-spotlight-n794216



BARCELONA, Spain — As authorities hunted the driver who plowed into a crowd in the Catalan capital, Barcelona, some have expressed concern that the region's large Muslim population puts it at particular risk from Islamic extremism.

An ISIS-affiliated news agency said the terror group took responsibility for the van atrocity, which killed 13 people including an American, and for related attacks that have rocked the area since Thursday.

[jacksmar]

sesh, don't come to the USA with that globalist bullshit. We've watched your kind fight terrorism with candles, flowers and teddy bears.

We haven't taken our eye off these people or their salafi jihad.

You want rich white guy money like every other weak euro idiot. Enjoy your eurovision tv shows.

[Nickdfresh]

[QUOTE=Terry;1929094]I don't for a moment worry about anybody in the local Muslim community engaging in acts of violence toward me: I'm not a Muslim, but my main worry is some white nationalist will try to destroy the mosque.

QUOTE]
Do you even know what a nationalist is?

na·tion·al·ist
[ˈnaSH(ə)nələst]

NOUN
a person who advocates political independence for a country:
A white nationalist is just a white person who believes their country should be governed by their people. There are plenty of black, red, yellow and even rainbow nationalists as well. A white nationalist is not necessarily a white supremacist even though you libtards want to believe they are. Obviously there are no white or any other color nationalist in Scotland.


Well look what showed back up in the yard looking for trash... :)

"Libtards" LOL Did you have to join a "white nationalist" gang in jail for protection?

[cadaverdog]

[QUOTE=cadaverdog;1929096]


Well look what showed back up in the yard looking for trash... :)


If I was looking for trash I came to the right spot.

[Nitro Express]

David Lee Roth is a white, pro American gun owner. Someone needs to lock that mother fucker up before he snaps.

[vandeleur]

David Lee Roth is a white, pro American gun owner. Someone needs to lock that mother fucker up before he snaps.

Ive heard him sing recently ... he has no range and aint hit anything live for years :bigwink:

[vandeleur]

Sorry if that's in bad taste.

[Seshmeister]

I'm sure if our colonial cousins were bothered about this kind of thing they would have sorted it out years ago.

[Terry]

Sorry if that's in bad taste.

Quite the contrary: you hit the bullseye dead center with that one!

[Terry]

[QUOTE=Terry;1929094]I don't for a moment worry about anybody in the local Muslim community engaging in acts of violence toward me: I'm not a Muslim, but my main worry is some white nationalist will try to destroy the mosque.

QUOTE]
Do you even know what a nationalist is?

na·tion·al·ist
[ˈnaSH(ə)nələst]

NOUN
a person who advocates political independence for a country:
A white nationalist is just a white person who believes their country should be governed by their people. There are plenty of black, red, yellow and even rainbow nationalists as well. A white nationalist is not necessarily a white supremacist even though you libtards want to believe they are. Obviously there are no white or any other color nationalist in Scotland.

Unfortunately for those who want to believe otherwise, America is already (as much as an ostensibly 'democratic' capitalist oligarchy CAN be) governed by its peoples. Its peoples come in - as you helpfully pointed out - a variety of colors, along with a variety of religious/social/sexual beliefs.

An American white nationalist, to my way of thinking, is someone who thinks America should be run and controlled exclusively by white people, with the additional caveat of that power being concentrated exclusively in the white male demographic. As opposed to an American nationalist who happens to be white and thinks ALL peoples of the United States should have their fair, legal say as to how the country should be governed.

It's subtle, I know, but a distinction nonetheless.

[Seshmeister]

I think it's worth mentioning trauma care has improved dramatically in the last decade which is great but when there are incidents like this in your mind the death number is the one you naturally concentrate on in this case around 58 at the moment.

A few years ago the 58 number would have been far far higher but out of the 500+ non fatalities there are going to be a hell of a lot of people who have survived but with their lives ruined.

[Seshmeister]

David Lee Roth is a white, pro American gun owner. Someone needs to lock that mother fucker up before he snaps.

I'll see your straw dog argument and raise you, the second amendment does not prohibit US citizens owning nuclear weapons so when is Trump going to stop sitting on his tiny hands and let the well regulated militia have them?

[Nickdfresh]

It's hard to say if this guy was a terrorist, or just going batshit crazy. A lot of stuff on him becoming more and more unglued. He has something like 200 "incidents" of questionable financial transactions and issues at casinos...

[jacksmar]

I think it's worth mentioning trauma care has improved dramatically in the last decade which is great but when there are incidents like this in your mind the death number is the one you naturally concentrate on in this case around 58 at the moment.

A few years ago the 58 number would have been far far higher but out of the 500+ non fatalities there are going to be a hell of a lot of people who have survived but with their lives ruined.

i think its worth mentioning quikclot was invented by a white male, Frank Hursey.

dumbass socialist...

[Nickdfresh]

I think it's worth mentioning trauma care has improved dramatically in the last decade which is great but when there are incidents like this in your mind the death number is the one you naturally concentrate on in this case around 58 at the moment.

A few years ago the 58 number would have been far far higher but out of the 500+ non fatalities there are going to be a hell of a lot of people who have survived but with their lives ruined.

Yeah, I agree. But he was also firing at the edge of the effective range (500M) of these type of 5.56mm NATO caliber weapons, assuming that's what he used...

[Kristy]

If I was looking for trash I came to the right spot.


Didn't I tell you to get cancer and fucking die? Typical California scum.

[Kristy]

sesh, don't come to the USA with that globalist bullshit. We've watched your kind fight terrorism with candles, flowers and teddy bears.

We haven't taken our eye off these people or their salafi jihad.

You want rich white guy money like every other weak euro idiot. Enjoy your eurovision tv shows.

Hey, do you rub your mouse cock with your hunting rifle?

[jacksmar]

Hey, do you rub your mouse cock with your hunting rifle?

hey, kristy good to see you back as the broad we love...

[Seshmeister]

Jack you haven't said anything about my original post yet.

Here's the thing.

Google, Facebook all that shit now returns stuff that you agree with.

It looks and sees what shit you like and gives you it. This site doesn't.

[jacksmar]

Jack you haven't said anything about my original post yet.

Here's the thing.

Google, Facebook all that shit now returns stuff that you agree with.

It looks and sees what shit you like and gives you it. This site doesn't.

i wouldn't know, dumbass. i don't facebooks or goggle. but without looking at anything more than the title of your pathetic thread i know its total bullshit.



happy columbus day...

[Seshmeister]

If you don't read you will continue to be ignorant.

Happy Indigenous People Day.

[jacksmar]

If you don't read you will continue to be ignorant.

Happy Indigenous People Day.

no, you're the typical ignorant tard that populates most of scotland and good part of the USA that are leftist.

In NYC, blacks and latinos together were 98 percent of all gun assailants and FBI latino crime stats were changed on how they were reported in 1987.

So your tard chart from a retard leftist as presented here by a foreign socialist doesn't rate enough beyond bullshit for me to debate.

Columbus called them indians so that's what they are. Do you know why?

https://angelforisrael.files.wordpress.com/2017/10/white-male-problem.jpg

[Nickdfresh]

no, you're the typical ignorant tard that populates most of scotland and good part of the USA that are leftist.

In NYC, blacks and latinos together were 98 percent of all gun assailants and FBI latino crime stats were changed on how they were reported in 1987.

Link?


So your tard chart from a retard leftist as presented here by a foreign socialist doesn't rate enough beyond bullshit for me to debate.

Columbus called them indians so that's what they are. Do you know why?


https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3989496/

Do you own guns? Because as a guy with a severe drinking problem, you're also statistically in a severe risk category for accidents, homicide, or suicide...

[Nickdfresh]

And BTW pinhead, the thread is about domestic terrorism, not about asshole gang-members that shoot each other over drug feuds...

[jacksmar]

Link?



https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3989496/

Do you own guns? Because as a guy with a severe drinking problem, you're also statistically in a severe risk category for accidents, homicide, or suicide...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/25/fbi-latino-arrests_n_3492521.html

Do your own homework, prof. I provide links here all the time. I may get a couple of sentences mixed and crossed with other links from time to time. That's because I'm right.

And you bet your cherry ass I own guns, dolt. You and the rest of the feeble minded leftists stay the fuck off my lawn.

[jacksmar]

And BTW pinhead, the thread is about domestic terrorism, not about asshole gang-members that shoot each other over drug feuds...

the thread is about gun control, prof.

get your enchroma glasses checked. or you'll end up as dumb as chaz moose looking for a white van...

[Nickdfresh]

....

And you bet your cherry ass I own guns, dolt. You and the rest of the feeble minded leftists stay the fuck off my lawn.

Don't worry, I wouldn't want to trip over the empties into piles of vomit and dogshit...

[Nickdfresh]

the thread is about gun control, prof.

get your enchroma glasses checked. or you'll end up as dumb as chaz moose looking for a white van...

Here's the thread title, dolt: "White American men are a bigger domestic terrorist threat than Muslim foreigners "

[jacksmar]

Here's the thread title, dolt: "White American men are a bigger domestic terrorist threat than Muslim foreigners "

You and the web fuck are truly retarded simps.

Let me ask you fuck ups a question; Where have you seen this?

Politics, Religion, Current affairs and all that stuff that no one ever argues about. In honor of the victims of September 11, 2001

[cadaverdog]

[QUOTE=cadaverdog;1929096]



An American white nationalist, to my way of thinking, is someone who thinks America should be run and controlled exclusively by white people, with the additional caveat of that power being concentrated exclusively in the white male demographic. As opposed to an American nationalist who happens to be white and thinks ALL peoples of the United States should have their fair, legal say as to how the country should be governed.


Just because that's what you think doesn't make it fact. What you're referring to is a white supremacist. I'm a nationalist because I think The United States Of America should be governed by and for it's citizens regardless of color or gender. I'm a white nationalist because I was born with white skin and I believe The United States is still the best country in the world even though it's not perfect. If that makes me a bad person so be it. I'm not ashamed of my country or the color of my skin

[cadaverdog]

Typical California scum. I'm not a typical California anything you stupid cunt. You can't choose were you were born but I've had the good sense to get as far away from that liberal shithole as possible. That being said I'm putting you back on ignore you ignorant slut.

[Nickdfresh]

You and the web fuck are truly retarded simps.

Let me ask you fuck ups a question; Where have you seen this?

Politics, Religion, Current affairs and all that stuff that no one ever argues about. In honor of the victims of September 11, 2001

At least I can read a thread title, oh fuck of stump...

[Terry]

[QUOTE=Terry;1929118]
Just because that's what you think doesn't make it fact. What you're referring to is a white supremacist. I'm a nationalist because I think The United States Of America should be governed by and for it's citizens regardless of color or gender. I'm a white nationalist because I was born with white skin and I believe The United States is still the best country in the world even though it's not perfect. If that makes me a bad person so be it. I'm not ashamed of my country or the color of my skin

So, you're a nationalist first and white second, or...

See, my problem with the recent deluge of people in the past year or so, emboldened by Trump, self-identifying as 'white nationalists' is the feeling I have that they're basically advocating white supremacy under the guise or less abrasive nomenclature of 'white nationalism'...is that the case with you? Or, by your definition above, do you consider yourself no better than a Black/Hispanic/Asian/Latino citizen of this country? If that's the case, why the need to even mention your skin color? Why not just call yourself a nationalist?

[Nickdfresh]

Or Nazis saying they're standing up for a Euro-centric culture they tried to destroy 78 years ago...

[Terry]

Or white nationalists who want to preserve Confederate monuments which serve to celebrate a faction of society who went to war with their own countrymen inside America's borders.

"You can't/shouldn't erase history," they argue, as if it would be forgotten but for the monuments being there.

[DavidLeeNatra]

Hey, another NRA advertising mass shooting in Texas and no 2nd amended praising "there weren't just enough guns in the church" going on?

"You better shoot it, shoot it! Come on, baby, put your best shot on meeee...!

[Nickdfresh]

To be fair, an NRA instructor actually helped chase down the murderer-cunt and shot him while he was fleeing in his car. They chased him down and the killer shot himself after being wounded. But yes, the idea that more guns prevents mass shootings is stupid...

[Seshmeister]

http://cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/171002154257-image-8-8-charts-story-exlarge-169.jpg


Do any of the 20% of Americans who think mentally ill people should be able to buy guns post here because I am curious about why anyone would think that.

Note that isn't even a Republican/Democrat issue, 20% of both agree.

Also these figures seem to show most people want something done so why hasn't something been done. This data is from a couple of years ago so not a knee jerk to this years stuff.

[Kristy]

I'm not a typical California anything you stupid cunt. You can't choose were you were born but I've had the good sense to get as far away from that liberal shithole as possible. That being said I'm putting you back on ignore you ignorant slut.

Yes, you are F A T Californian scum. You can't run from where you were hatched. You welfare-dependent asshole.

[FORD]

https://i.imgur.com/sj8hpHh.jpg