F.B.I. Raids Office of Trump’s Longtime Lawyer Michael Cohen

[FORD]

the failing nytimes.com (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/09/us/politics/fbi-raids-office-of-trumps-longtime-lawyer-michael-cohen.html)
F.B.I. Raids Office of Trump’s Longtime Lawyer Michael Cohen
Matt Apuzzo
APRIL 9, 2018

The F.B.I. on Monday raided the office of President Trump’s longtime personal lawyer, Michael D. Cohen, seizing records related to several topics including payments to a pornographic-film actress.

Federal prosecutors in Manhattan obtained the search warrant after receiving a referral from the special counsel, Robert S. Mueller III, according to Mr. Cohen’s lawyer, who called the search “completely inappropriate and unnecessary.” The search does not appear to be directly related to Mr. Mueller’s investigation, but likely resulted from information he had uncovered and gave to prosecutors in New York.

“Today the U.S. Attorney’s Office for the Southern District of New York executed a series of search warrants and seized the privileged communications between my client, Michael Cohen, and his clients,” said Stephen Ryan, his lawyer. “I have been advised by federal prosecutors that the New York action is, in part, a referral by the Office of Special Counsel, Robert Mueller.”

Mr. Cohen plays a role in aspects of the special counsel’s investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 presidential election. He also recently said he paid $130,000 to a pornographic-film actress, Stephanie Clifford, who said she had an affair with Mr. Trump. Ms. Clifford is known as Stormy Daniels.

Mr. Ryan said Mr. Cohen has cooperated with authorities and turned over thousands of documents to congressional investigators looking into Russian election meddling.

The payments to Ms. Clifford are only one of many topics being investigated, according to a person briefed on the search. The F.B.I. also seized emails, tax documents and business records, the person said.

The seized records include communications between Mr. Trump and Mr. Cohen, which would likely require a special team of agents to review because conversations between lawyers and clients are protected from scrutiny in most instances.

[Seshmeister]

This seems to be a big deal. It takes a lot for the FBI to raid a lawyers office, never mind the presidents. Something illegal has almost certainly been going on although that doesn't mean that Trump is directly implicated.

[FORD]

Well, it's pretty much a given that Cohen was laundering Cheeto's payment to Stormy - and probably other hush money. What if he was also laundering something far more serious, like money from Russian oligarchs and/or Russian mob? I doubt Mueller would bother with all this over a porn star who has pictures of Cheeto's micro-penis. :biggrin:

[Seshmeister]

Maybe they have a lead on the guy who supposedly threatened her. If there was a money trail from Cohen to him that would be something.

[Terry]

Well, there must have been enough convincing evidence of something for the U.S. Attorney's Office of the Southern District of New York to convince a judge to sign off on a warrant to enable the raid, or a convincing expectation that Cohen was going to begin destroying documents in short order.

And communications between a lawyer and his client are no longer privileged if said communications involve the commission of a crime, assuming this involves campaign finance violations re: the Daniels payoff and Trump reimbursing Cohen out of campaign funds.

[jacksmar]

I haven't said much about this guy because he's a military vet. We all know there are some really good vets and some some others. Mueller is the guy that screwed up the 911 plot.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/fbi-director-surveillance-programs-might-have-prevented-9-11/

Just fyi...

[Nitro Express]

The FBI has really turned into a joke. Who are they going to raid next? Trump's former cleaning lady? It's all a political witch hunt. If Trump was an insider and a member of the big club non of this would be happening. Trump could have dirt up to his ears and they would protect him. It's all about being on the team or off the team. The truth is most of them are corrupt and probably should be in prison for something.

[FORD]

https://i.imgur.com/Tgaev7m.png

[Nitro Express]

Look this really is fascism. Both Democrats and Republicans are involved in it. They have their little cozy gang of Washington insiders and nobody is going to jail if they can keep it going. They are scared to death of an outsider being in the White House. That means possible jail time down the road so they got to politically kill that son of a bitch. Right now the outsider is Trump but it could be anybody. First it was Russian collusion and when that narrative failed well let's try and get him on something else. They find this porn star and now they are trying to blow this narrative up into an impeachable offense. It's gotten to the point of being silly but also scary. The FBI has been politicized. The thing to remember fascists is they eventually go after everyone's rights. Just because they are attacking someone currently that you don't like doesn't mean they won't ruin your life in the future. This all is so Nazi Germany. The witch hunts. The bully tactics. A large number of the public going along with it. Just food for thought. Trump can serve two terms and then he's gone. It wasn't Trump who threw Bernie Sanders under the bus. It was Hillary Clinton and the Democratic Party. Do you really want people like that in power? Trump is an egomaniac and can say mean things about people but he never rigged elections and threw anyone like Bernie Sanders under the bus. It's the people going after him who throw people under the bus. Mueller has thrown the American people under the bus by turning a blind eye to the drug trade and money laundering banks and many other things. So let's say Trump banging a porn star is true. Who cares. The left sure as hell didn't care that Bill Clinton was getting sucked off in the oval office. Bill Clinton lied under oath. All of us would go to jail for that but not a connected president. Clinton lost his law license in Arkansas and that is all that happened to him. So let's say they manage to get Trump out of office. What does that really mean? Business as usual.

[Kristy]

http://iranpoliticsclub.net/history/trump-hitler/images/Adolf%20Hitler%20Look.jpg

[Nickdfresh]

I haven't said much about this guy because he's a military vet. We all know there are some really good vets and some some others. Mueller is the guy that screwed up the 911 plot.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/fbi-director-surveillance-programs-might-have-prevented-9-11/

Just fyi...

Oh please, Bush's entire administration fucked that up! They didn't even give a fuck when Richard Clark was having a stroke over the "lights blinking red"...

[Nickdfresh]

The FBI has really turned into a joke. Who are they going to raid next? Trump's former cleaning lady? It's all a political witch hunt. If Trump was an insider and a member of the big club non of this would be happening. Trump could have dirt up to his ears and they would protect him. It's all about being on the team or off the team. The truth is most of them are corrupt and probably should be in prison for something.

Oh Jesus Christ! They DID JUST RAID TRUMPS CLEANING LADY FFS! What do you think this roach Cohen is?

[Nickdfresh]

Look this really is fascism. Both Democrats and Republicans are involved in it. They have their little cozy gang of Washington insiders and nobody is going to jail if they can keep it going. They are scared to death of an outsider being in the White House. That means possible jail time down the road so they got to politically kill that son of a bitch. Right now the outsider is Trump but it could be anybody. First it was Russian collusion and when that narrative failed well let's try and get him on something else. They find this porn star and now they are trying to blow this narrative up into an impeachable offense. It's gotten to the point of being silly but also scary. The FBI has been politicized. The thing to remember fascists is they eventually go after everyone's rights. Just because they are attacking someone currently that you don't like doesn't mean they won't ruin your life in the future. This all is so Nazi Germany. The witch hunts. The bully tactics. A large number of the public going along with it. Just food for thought. Trump can serve two terms and then he's gone. It wasn't Trump who threw Bernie Sanders under the bus. It was Hillary Clinton and the Democratic Party. Do you really want people like that in power? Trump is an egomaniac and can say mean things about people but he never rigged elections and threw anyone like Bernie Sanders under the bus. It's the people going after him who throw people under the bus. Mueller has thrown the American people under the bus by turning a blind eye to the drug trade and money laundering banks and many other things. So let's say Trump banging a porn star is true. Who cares. The left sure as hell didn't care that Bill Clinton was getting sucked off in the oval office. Bill Clinton lied under oath. All of us would go to jail for that but not a connected president. Clinton lost his law license in Arkansas and that is all that happened to him. So let's say they manage to get Trump out of office. What does that really mean? Business as usual.

Histrionic much? Since when is getting a warrant from a Federal Judge that was approved by your own Justice Dept. "fascism?" The the very antithesis of fascism, called "rule of law"...

[Seshmeister]

I haven't said much about this guy because he's a military vet. We all know there are some really good vets and some some others. Mueller is the guy that screwed up the 911 plot.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/fbi-director-surveillance-programs-might-have-prevented-9-11/

Just fyi...

Did you read that?

He screwed up by not setting up a Stasi style operation on US citizens?

[Seshmeister]

Look this really is fascism. Both Democrats and Republicans are involved in it. They have their little cozy gang of Washington insiders and nobody is going to jail if they can keep it going. They are scared to death of an outsider being in the White House. That means possible jail time down the road so they got to politically kill that son of a bitch. Right now the outsider is Trump but it could be anybody. First it was Russian collusion and when that narrative failed well let's try and get him on something else. They find this porn star and now they are trying to blow this narrative up into an impeachable offense. It's gotten to the point of being silly but also scary. The FBI has been politicized. The thing to remember fascists is they eventually go after everyone's rights. Just because they are attacking someone currently that you don't like doesn't mean they won't ruin your life in the future. This all is so Nazi Germany. The witch hunts. The bully tactics. A large number of the public going along with it. Just food for thought. Trump can serve two terms and then he's gone. It wasn't Trump who threw Bernie Sanders under the bus. It was Hillary Clinton and the Democratic Party. Do you really want people like that in power? Trump is an egomaniac and can say mean things about people but he never rigged elections and threw anyone like Bernie Sanders under the bus. It's the people going after him who throw people under the bus. Mueller has thrown the American people under the bus by turning a blind eye to the drug trade and money laundering banks and many other things. So let's say Trump banging a porn star is true. Who cares. The left sure as hell didn't care that Bill Clinton was getting sucked off in the oval office. Bill Clinton lied under oath. All of us would go to jail for that but not a connected president. Clinton lost his law license in Arkansas and that is all that happened to him. So let's say they manage to get Trump out of office. What does that really mean? Business as usual.

If you don't use paragraphs people won't read all of what you write.

A few things - Mueller is a Republican. The porn 'star' is a Republican and at least at one point a Trump supporting one.

The detailed analysis of the election shows that without the Comey letter the week before the election, Trump wouldn't be president. How does that fit with the pro status quo, deep state agenda?
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-comey-letter-probably-cost-clinton-the-election/

You're like a football fan screaming the referee is a cheat when a decision goes against your team, forgetting all the ones that went against the other side earlier in the game.

Anyone with even passing knowledge of Trump's career knows that there will be a mountain of skeletons in his closet way beyond most of the usual politician shit.

Personally my main concern is the present not his past crimes and certainly not who he has fucked. My worry and so should yours be is that someone with his personality and lack of abilities is in a position to destroy the world. Your system and the GOP in particular is so far gone now I find it difficult to imagine what scandal would be needed for a senate to ever impeach him in any case.

In the same way I couldn't give less of a fuck about Clinton whataboutery. You talk about Russian collusion and the narrative failing, it's not a narrative it's an investigation which hasn't finished and hasn't reported yet.

[Nitro Express]

Oh Jesus Christ! They DID JUST RAID TRUMPS CLEANING LADY FFS! What do you think this roach Cohen is?

It's a waste of time. Look it's so obvious. Get Trump on Russian collusion. That narrative failed. Now they are chasing this porn star narrative. It's a fucking joke. Trump should have fired Mueller and he still can fire him. The only thing that is going to take Trump down is if he starts to fail to serve the people who voted him for office. Getting us stuck in Syria is a bigger liability to Trump than anything Mueller is doing. Plus there is confidentiality between a lawyer and their clients. That's the law.

[Nitro Express]

If you don't use paragraphs people won't read all of what you write.

A few things - Mueller is a Republican. The porn 'star' is a Republican and at least at one point a Trump supporting one.

The detailed analysis of the election shows that without the Comey letter the week before the election, Trump wouldn't be president. How does that fit with the pro status quo, deep state agenda?
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-comey-letter-probably-cost-clinton-the-election/

You're like a football fan screaming the referee is a cheat when a decision goes against your team, forgetting all the ones that went against the other side earlier in the game.

Anyone with even passing knowledge of Trump's career knows that there will be a mountain of skeletons in his closet way beyond most of the usual politician shit.

Personally my main concern is the present not his past crimes and certainly not who he has fucked. My worry and so should yours be is that someone with his personality and lack of abilities is in a position to destroy the world. Your system and the GOP in particular is so far gone now I find it difficult to imagine what scandal would be needed for a senate to ever impeach him in any case.

In the same way I couldn't give less of a fuck about Clinton whataboutery. You talk about Russian collusion and the narrative failing, it's not a narrative it's an investigation which hasn't finished and hasn't reported yet.

Investigation. Haha! It's called trying to get Trump out of office. So what you are saying is Trump is going to destroy the world so we need to use any means necessary to get rid of him even if he was elected. Ok. Who do you replace him with? Name a name. I will save my laughter for later.

[Nitro Express]

Really Trump deserves the Mueller bullshit because he didn't clean house. He should have fired Mueller along with others. Trump tried to play nice. Tried to get along. Well you don't get along in a pit of vipers. As far as the Republicans and Democrats go, they almost aren't relative anymore. Two cheeks on the same butt. Why Trump got elected is he really was neither. He's an independent. He just had to ride the Republican elephant into office but the Republican establishment hates him.

[Terry]

The Mueller investigation isn't representative of a Nazi-type "witch hunt" to my mind.

Let's not forget why the Mueller investigation started in the first place. Had Trump not had so many people working on his campaign who had connections and multiple conversations with senior Russian intelligence officials during the 2016 campaign (and after the election lied about those connections and conversations) while Russia was trying to influence the outcome of that election in Trump's favor, and had Trump not fired Comey and then went on to state that firing Comey relieved pressure Trump was feeling over the Russia investigation, Trump wouldn't be in the predicament he is in today.

Mueller isn't some "deep state" operative.

As to Cohen, doubtless the ultimate aim of Mueller is to try and squeeze Cohen via passing along what he had learned about Cohen to the federal prosecutors in New York for additional information by using any and all legal means at his disposal. Unlike Trump, Mueller isn't treating his job like a reality tv show and tweeting viewers asking them to stay tuned to see what happens next.

If Trump broke the law or if Trump is unfit to discharge the duties of his office and there is sufficient cause for his removal, I hope he is removed. I don't want Trump removed on flimsy pretexts just because I didn't like the election result. Thus far, Trump hasn't destroyed the world, and as for his ability to destroy the world...as a species we have (insanely, to my mind) accepted nuclear weapons as part of our lives for more than half a century. Accepted them in as much as we haven't made serious global mobilization efforts to remove them from our lives. Should Trump be the one who ends up pushing the button and killing us all, it will be the end result of a group psychosis that prompted us to a) build the fucking things in the first place and b) allow deployment of them to be concentrated in that of a single elected official.

[Terry]

Investigation. Haha! It's called trying to get Trump out of office. So what you are saying is Trump is going to destroy the world so we need to use any means necessary to get rid of him even if he was elected. Ok. Who do you replace him with? Name a name. I will save my laughter for later.

I'd agree to the extent that removing Trump doesn't remove the threat of global destruction via nuclear weapons.

[Terry]

Really Trump deserves the Mueller bullshit because he didn't clean house. He should have fired Mueller along with others. Trump tried to play nice. Tried to get along. Well you don't get along in a pit of vipers. As far as the Republicans and Democrats go, they almost aren't relative anymore. Two cheeks on the same butt. Why Trump got elected is he really was neither. He's an independent. He just had to ride the Republican elephant into office but the Republican establishment hates him.

Yeah, but clean house and replace them with who? Who else but 2nd and 3rd rate hacks and hambones would go to work for Trump to begin with?

Trump couldn't even rely on the hacks and hambones he had on his team initially to not fuck up.

[Seshmeister]

Investigation. Haha! It's called trying to get Trump out of office. So what you are saying is Trump is going to destroy the world so we need to use any means necessary to get rid of him even if he was elected. Ok. Who do you replace him with? Name a name. I will save my laughter for later.

I didn't say that, I don't want him in power because he's an egotistical clueless moron. Name a name I would prefer? You. Probably around 85% of the US population.

There isn't a move to replace him because of his policies in fact his policies are the thing the Republicans like and will keep him in power.

There is a possible attack on him coming from law enforcement because he is a corrupt liar who isn't smart enough to keep his head down.

[Seshmeister]

It's not a fucking 'witch hunt' if there actually are a bunch of witches.


witch-hunt
Word forms: plural witch-hunts
countable noun
A witch-hunt is an attempt to find and punish a particular group of people who are being blamed for something, often simply because of their opinions and not because they have actually done anything wrong.


The full list of known indictments and plea deals in Mueller’s probe
1) George Papadopoulos, former Trump campaign foreign policy adviser, pleaded guilty in October to making false statements to the FBI.

2) Michael Flynn, Trump’s former national security adviser, pleaded guilty in December to making false statements to the FBI.


3) Paul Manafort, Trump’s former campaign chair, was indicted in October in Washington, DC on charges of conspiracy, money laundering, false statements, and failure to disclose foreign assets — all related to his work for Ukrainian politicians before he joined the Trump campaign. He’s pleaded not guilty on all counts. Then, in February, Mueller filed a new case against him in Virginia, with tax, financial, and bank fraud charges.

4) Rick Gates, a former Trump campaign aide and Manafort’s longtime junior business partner, was indicted on similar charges to Manafort. But he has now agreed to a plea deal with Mueller’s team, pleading guilty to just one false statements charge and one conspiracy charge.

5-20) 13 Russian nationals and three Russian companies were indicted on conspiracy charges, with some also being accused of identity theft. The charges related to a Russian propaganda effort designed to interfere with the 2016 campaign. The companies involved are the Internet Research Agency, often described as a “Russian troll farm,” and two other companies that helped finance it. The Russian nationals indicted include 12 of the agency’s employees and its alleged financier, Yevgeny Prigozhin.

21) Richard Pinedo: This California man pleaded guilty to an identity theft charge in connection with the Russian indictments, and has agreed to cooperate with Mueller.

22) Alex van der Zwaan: This London lawyer pleaded guilty to making false statements to the FBI about his contacts with Rick Gates and another unnamed person based in Ukraine.

[Nickdfresh]

Really Trump deserves the Mueller bullshit because he didn't clean house. He should have fired Mueller along with others. Trump tried to play nice. Tried to get along. Well you don't get along in a pit of vipers. As far as the Republicans and Democrats go, they almost aren't relative anymore. Two cheeks on the same butt. Why Trump got elected is he really was neither. He's an independent. He just had to ride the Republican elephant into office but the Republican establishment hates him.

Are you really this fucking stupid or just a Russian bot? Google "Saturday Night Purge" you automaton dipshit!

[Nickdfresh]

It's not a fucking 'witch hunt' if there actually are a bunch of witches.



The full list of known indictments and plea deals in Mueller’s probe
1) George Papadopoulos, former Trump campaign foreign policy adviser, pleaded guilty in October to making false statements to the FBI.

2) Michael Flynn, Trump’s former national security adviser, pleaded guilty in December to making false statements to the FBI.


3) Paul Manafort, Trump’s former campaign chair, was indicted in October in Washington, DC on charges of conspiracy, money laundering, false statements, and failure to disclose foreign assets — all related to his work for Ukrainian politicians before he joined the Trump campaign. He’s pleaded not guilty on all counts. Then, in February, Mueller filed a new case against him in Virginia, with tax, financial, and bank fraud charges.

4) Rick Gates, a former Trump campaign aide and Manafort’s longtime junior business partner, was indicted on similar charges to Manafort. But he has now agreed to a plea deal with Mueller’s team, pleading guilty to just one false statements charge and one conspiracy charge.

5-20) 13 Russian nationals and three Russian companies were indicted on conspiracy charges, with some also being accused of identity theft. The charges related to a Russian propaganda effort designed to interfere with the 2016 campaign. The companies involved are the Internet Research Agency, often described as a “Russian troll farm,” and two other companies that helped finance it. The Russian nationals indicted include 12 of the agency’s employees and its alleged financier, Yevgeny Prigozhin.

21) Richard Pinedo: This California man pleaded guilty to an identity theft charge in connection with the Russian indictments, and has agreed to cooperate with Mueller.

22) Alex van der Zwaan: This London lawyer pleaded guilty to making false statements to the FBI about his contacts with Rick Gates and another unnamed person based in Ukraine.

So eloquent yet so wasting you're time...

[Nickdfresh]

It's a waste of time. Look it's so obvious. Get Trump on Russian collusion. That narrative failed. Now they are chasing this porn star narrative. It's a fucking joke. Trump should have fired Mueller and he still can fire him. The only thing that is going to take Trump down is if he starts to fail to serve the people who voted him for office. Getting us stuck in Syria is a bigger liability to Trump than anything Mueller is doing. Plus there is confidentiality between a lawyer and their clients. That's the law.

Trump "failed" the people (unwashed masses mainly) the minute he took office with his corporate whore tax cut, and anti-labor policies propagated by the ignorance of his elitist shiteheaded cabinet members he appointed (before firing them)...

[Nickdfresh]

The source said investigators were looking into whether there was a broader pattern of tax fraud, wire fraud, tax evasion, money laundering and other crimes in Cohen’s private dealings, including his work for Trump and some real estate transactions that involved Russian buyers and prices that appeared to be well above market values.

The source confirmed the FBI was looking into the payments, including the Enquirer link, but they were "not the main focus of that part of the investigation."

From: https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-resumes-attacks-law-enforcement-fbi-raids-lawyer-143514582.html

[Kristy]

It's a waste of time. Look it's so obvious. Get Trump on Russian collusion. That narrative failed. Now they are chasing this porn star narrative. It's a fucking joke. Trump should have fired Mueller and he still can fire him. The only thing that is going to take Trump down is if he starts to fail to serve the people who voted him for office. Getting us stuck in Syria is a bigger liability to Trump than anything Mueller is doing. Plus there is confidentiality between a lawyer and their clients. That's the law.

Yeah, you tell these fucking liberals, Tucker!

[FORD]

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[Nitro Express]

There is such a thing called attorney client privilege. It's illegal to raid the attorney's office of someone who is under investigation. That's one thing. Also what happened to Russian collusion and election tampering? That was what the investigation was about. Now it's about porn stars. You can't make this shit up.

[Nitro Express]

I might write Mueller and give him some more ideas. How about Donald Trump giving Ron Jeremy a blowjob? Trump likes tall things. He's a hornball over his own daughter. How about an incest scandal? The porn star narrative just isn't juicy enough.

[Terry]

I might write Mueller and give him some more ideas. How about Donald Trump giving Ron Jeremy a blowjob? Trump likes tall things. He's a hornball over his own daughter. How about an incest scandal? The porn star narrative just isn't juicy enough.

It's not the porn star narrative not being juicy enough. It's not even that Trump paid Daniels off and asked her to sign a non disclosure agreement. I don't think anybody is surprised in the least that either of those two things happened considering Trump's character.

It's how Daniels was paid off. Like everything else, with Trump it comes down to HOW he has made his money and moved it around.

I don't even think Trump knows - or ever knew - all the specifics of his cash flow after he went bust in Atlantic City in the mid-1990s, the same as I don't think Trump knew all of the specifics regarding the activities of various campaign associates and various Russian intelligence officials in 2016. I DO think Trump is shitting a brick in terms of wondering what Mueller's investigation might find out about these things.

[Seshmeister]

In simple terms no reputable bank has been willing to lend the Trump organization for years now due to past misdemeanors. With no access to bank credit a developer is fucked. To get around this for a while now they have been going to various dodgy investors many of whom are Russian who were looking to put their assets (or launder depending on how you look at it), into solid real estate. The three people working on these deals has been Ivanka, Krushner and Michael Cohen.

Cohen is a businessman with a law degree, he's not a day to day lawyer. Nitro is way off the mark with this client privilege stuff. Also do you not think that before granting this warrant, a dozen or more people looked at it including a judge? Of course it's not illegal.

The suspicion is that Cohen has only been named as Trumps lawyer as a way to give him attorney client privilege as he is the one guy not in the family who knows where all the bodies are buried.

[FORD]

There is such a thing called attorney client privilege. It's illegal to raid the attorney's office of someone who is under investigation. That's one thing. Also what happened to Russian collusion and election tampering? That was what the investigation was about. Now it's about porn stars. You can't make this shit up.

The election NEVER had anything to do with the Russians, and it's only the idiotic Hillbots making that claim as an excuse for her loss. The election WAS stolen, but that was by Diebold and Kristopher K. Kobach, not by Putin. The true Russian collusion isn't in election tampering, it's in money laundering. And that's probably also the reason that Cheeto refuses to release his tax records, because that would reveal at least part of the paper trail from Moscow to Drumpf Tower & Jared's place at :devildance:666:devildance: 5th Avenue.

[Nitro Express]

The election NEVER had anything to do with the Russians, and it's only the idiotic Hillbots making that claim as an excuse for her loss. The election WAS stolen, but that was by Diebold and Kristopher K. Kobach, not by Putin. The true Russian collusion isn't in election tampering, it's in money laundering. And that's probably also the reason that Cheeto refuses to release his tax records, because that would reveal at least part of the paper trail from Moscow to Drumpf Tower & Jared's place at :devildance:666:devildance: 5th Avenue.

Actually Jared Kushner isn't in bed with the Russians he's in bed with the Chinese who basically own his ass. One reason he shouldn't be in the White House at all. The Chinese hold the debt on 666 5th Avenue and Kushner comes from a very corrupt family out of New Jersey. There definitely is a lot of voting fraud and it's something all political parties need to get serious about or it's going to threaten the democratic voting process. The one person who clearly got screwed was Bernie Sanders. The Democratic Party needs to get rid of the super delegates because that only nullifies the people's vote and allows the Democrat Party leadership to put in who they want. Trump got 18% of the Bernie voters when Hillary stole the nomination. So there are all sorts of problems and both major parties have their fair share of corruption. Maybe we should just screw voting and have a lottery pick the president. Haha! Just have a random sample pick a name from the Social Security data base. It couldn't be any worse than it is now.

[Nitro Express]

What we have here is musical investigations. Couldn't nail Trump on the original investigation and now it's a porn star. What next if they can't nail him on the porn star narrative? How much tax money is this investigation wasting? Trump might finish both terms and this thing will still be going on. You can quote all the mumbo jumbo you want but it's obvious what Mueller is going. He's fishing. He's got his net out hoping to catch something. Maybe he should be investigating the uranium one scandal. He would catch a lot there including himself.

[Nitro Express]

It's not the porn star narrative not being juicy enough. It's not even that Trump paid Daniels off and asked her to sign a non disclosure agreement. I don't think anybody is surprised in the least that either of those two things happened considering Trump's character.

It's how Daniels was paid off. Like everything else, with Trump it comes down to HOW he has made his money and moved it around.

I don't even think Trump knows - or ever knew - all the specifics of his cash flow after he went bust in Atlantic City in the mid-1990s, the same as I don't think Trump knew all of the specifics regarding the activities of various campaign associates and various Russian intelligence officials in 2016. I DO think Trump is shitting a brick in terms of wondering what Mueller's investigation might find out about these things.

My hell. John F. Kennedy probably had more dirt on him than Trump does. This is just partisan bullshit and I doubt it's going to get Trump out of office. If Trump was the scalawag his political enemies are making him out to be he never would have bothered to run for office. That makes you a target. He would have just stayed out of politics and enjoyed the good life.

[Nitro Express]

No the real problem is there is an outsider in the White House. That has all the crooks in Washington scared because they don't know what's going to happen. They can't control it. Believe me if Jeb Bush was in the White House you would have the partisan verbal slagging but everyone would be cool with it. Nobody is going to jail with a Bush in office. It's all about who's inside and who's outside and Democrat and Republican means nothing. Maybe that's why the Dems dumped Bernie. He might be a socialist but maybe he was more independent than they cared for. I don't care if it's a liberal or a conservative you put an outsider independent in the White House and the establishment will do anything it can to get rid of them. The reason why is so nobody goes to jail and they can continue to be the criminals they are.

[FORD]

https://www.caglecartoons.com/media/cartoons/177/2018/04/12/209211_600.jpg

[Nickdfresh]

What we have here is musical investigations. Couldn't nail Trump on the original investigation and now it's a porn star. What next if they can't nail him on the porn star narrative? How much tax money is this investigation wasting? Trump might finish both terms and this thing will still be going on. You can quote all the mumbo jumbo you want but it's obvious what Mueller is going. He's fishing. He's got his net out hoping to catch something. Maybe he should be investigating the uranium one scandal. He would catch a lot there including himself.

How about you just accept that he's a completely corrupt asshole that is borderline mafia and he is bringing this on himself for being a scofflaw and liar? Maybe it's not the FBI's fault they investigate corruption. You keep making these assertions that the search and seizure was illegal. How was it illegal when Trump's own Justice dept. and a federal judge signed off on it? ANd raiding Cohen because he's a slimy, corrupt douche that would make Saul blush has nothing to do with "attorney-client privileged".

If Trump is an honest businessman and has nothing to hide, WTF are Trump-finger-fuck puppets like Hannity all upset over this?..

I don't like it, therefore it's illegal the cop stopped me for speeding!

[Nickdfresh]

My hell. John F. Kennedy probably had more dirt on him than Trump does. This is just partisan bullshit and I doubt it's going to get Trump out of office. If Trump was the scalawag his political enemies are making him out to be he never would have bothered to run for office. That makes you a target. He would have just stayed out of politics and enjoyed the good life.

Maybe, but he's not president anymore. He had a history of womanizing, but does that make him worse than Trump? I've read about JFK. The biggest thing on him was the fact he was heavily medicated on opiods due to his Addison's disease and degenerative spine. Whether the press would have started digging on him in his second term is debatable but I think it was likely...

[Nickdfresh]

Actually Jared Kushner isn't in bed with the Russians he's in bed with the Chinese who basically own his ass. One reason he shouldn't be in the White House at all. The Chinese hold the debt on 666 5th Avenue and Kushner comes from a very corrupt family out of New Jersey. There definitely is a lot of voting fraud and it's something all political parties need to get serious about or it's going to threaten the democratic voting process. The one person who clearly got screwed was Bernie Sanders. The Democratic Party needs to get rid of the super delegates because that only nullifies the people's vote and allows the Democrat Party leadership to put in who they want. Trump got 18% of the Bernie voters when Hillary stole the nomination. So there are all sorts of problems and both major parties have their fair share of corruption. Maybe we should just screw voting and have a lottery pick the president. Haha! Just have a random sample pick a name from the Social Security data base. It couldn't be any worse than it is now.

Kushner is in bed with whomever wants to fund his failing businesses. Like cunt-father, like cunt-son...

[Nickdfresh]

From: The Washington Post (https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trumps-allies-worry-that-federal-investigators-may-have-seized-recordings-made-by-his-attorney/2018/04/12/16d6345a-3e89-11e8-912d-16c9e9b37800_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.4b1d5a21d656)

Trump’s allies worry that federal investigators may have seized recordings made by his attorney

By Ashley Parker, Carol D. Leonnig, Josh Dawsey and Tom Hamburger April 13 at 9:25 AM

President Trump’s personal attorney Michael D. Cohen sometimes taped conversations with associates, according to three people familiar with his practice, and allies of the president are worried that the recordings were seized by federal investigators in a raid of Cohen’s office and residences this week.

Cohen, who served for a decade as a lawyer at the Trump Organization and is a close confidant of Trump’s, was known to store the conversations using digital files and then replay them for colleagues, according to people who have interacted with him.

“We heard he had some proclivity to make tapes,” said one Trump adviser, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because of the ongoing investigation. “Now we are wondering, who did he tape? Did he store those someplace where they were actually seized? . . . Did they find his recordings?”

Cohen did not respond to requests for comment. Stephen Ryan, an attorney for Cohen, declined to comment. A White House spokeswoman referred a request for comment to Cohen and his attorney.

On Monday, FBI agents seized Cohen’s computers and phones as they executed a search warrant that sought, among other records, all communications between the lawyer and Trump and campaign aides about “potential sources of negative publicity” in the lead-up to the 2016 election, The Washington Post reported.
Michael D. Cohen, President Trump’s personal attorney, reportedly was known for occasionally recording calls with associates.

Investigators were also looking for any records related to adult-film star Stormy Daniels and ex-Playboy model Karen McDougal, who both received payments after alleged affairs with Trump.

In New York, a hearing was scheduled Friday over Cohen’s efforts to prevent the government from using material seized in the raids.

[Federal probe into Trump’s lawyer seeks records about two women who alleged affairs with the president]

It is unknown whether Cohen taped conversations between himself and Trump. But two people familiar with Cohen’s practices said he recorded both business and political conversations. One associate said Trump knew of Cohen’s practice because the attorney would often play him recordings Cohen had made of his conversations with other top Trump advisers.

“It was his standard practice to do it,” this person said.

Legal experts said Cohen’s taped conversations would be viewed by prosecutors as highly valuable.

“If you are looking for evidence, you can’t do any better than people talking on tape,” said Nick Akerman, a former Watergate prosecutor.

Such recordings “would be considered a gold mine,” said Stephen Gillers, a law professor at New York University who specializes in legal ethics.

“The significance is 9.5 to 10 on a 10-point scale,” he added, noting that investigators know “that when people speak on the phone, they are not guarded. They don’t imagine that the conversation will surface.”

Federal investigators would not automatically get access to any tapes that might have been seized in the raids. First, the recordings would be reviewed by a separate Justice Department team and possibly by a federal judge. The review is designed to protect lawyer-client privilege and to be sure that the conversations turned over are within the terms of the search warrant, legal experts said.

They noted that the privilege accorded to attorney-client communications does not apply if the conversation was conducted to further commission of a crime or fraud.

Cohen wanted his business calls on tape so he could use them later as leverage, one person said. He frequently noted that under New York law, only one party had to consent to the taping of a conversation, this person added.

During the 2016 race, Cohen — who did not have a formal role on the campaign — had a reputation among campaign staff as someone to avoid, in part because he was believed to be secretly taping conversations.

In one instance, Cohen played a recording of a conversation he had with someone else to a Trump campaign official to demonstrate that he was in a position to challenge that person’s veracity if necessary, an associate recalled.

Cohen indicated that he had something to use against the person he had taped, the associate said.

One outside Trump adviser said Cohen may have begun recording his conversations in an attempt to emulate his boss, who has long boasted — often with no evidence — about secretly taping private conversations.

In May, for instance, a report appeared in the New York Times detailing fired FBI director James B. Comey’s account of a one-on-one dinner he had with the president, during which he said Trump asked him to pledge his loyalty to the president and he declined. Shortly after, Trump took to Twitter to cast doubt on Comey’s version of events, seeming to imply that he had secretly recorded their encounter.

“James Comey better hope that there are no ‘tapes’ of our conversations before he starts leaking to the press!” Trump wrote.

At the time, it was unclear whether Trump truly possessed tapes of his conversation with Comey or was simply trying to intimidate him. And ultimately, just over a month later, Trump cleared up the mystery by admitting in a duo of tweets that he had not, in fact, recorded Comey.

“With all of the recently reported electronic surveillance, intercepts, unmasking and illegal leaking of information, I have no idea whether there are ‘tapes’ or recordings of my conversations with James Comey, but I did not make, and do not have, any such recordings,” he wrote.

Tim O’Brien, a Trump biographer and executive editor of Bloomberg View, wrote a column in the wake of Trump’s taping claim saying that Comey probably had little reason to worry. In the piece, O’Brien recounted that Trump frequently made a similar boast to him.

“Back in the early 2000s, Trump used to tell me all the time that he was recording me when I covered him as reporter for the New York Times,” O’Brien wrote. “He also said the same thing when I was writing a biography of him, ‘Trump Nation.’ I never thought he was, but who could be sure?”

But after Trump sued him for libel shortly after his biography came out, O’Brien’s lawyers deposed Trump in December 2007 — during which Trump admitted he had not, in fact, clandestinely taped O’Brien.

“I’m not equipped to tape-record,” Trump said in the deposition. “I may have said it once or twice to him just to — on the telephone, because everything I said to him he’d write incorrectly; so just to try and keep it honest.”

Robert Costa contributed to this report.

[Nickdfresh]

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[Etienne]

Jared's place at :devildance:666:devildance: 5th Avenue.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1n-ff57qwc&t=54s

Jared Kushner fits the stereotypical rich as fuck Jew image. He must be a Baphomet worshipper! :D

[FORD]

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[Nitro Express]

Ah just bomb Syria. That will distract everyone.

[private parts]

Maybe, but he's not president anymore. He had a history of womanizing, but does that make him worse than Trump? I've read about JFK. The biggest thing on him was the fact he was heavily medicated on opiods due to his Addison's disease and degenerative spine. Whether the press would have started digging on him in his second term is debatable but I think it was likely...

Until Trump gets caught getting laid in the White House, yes he is/was worse than Trump.

[private parts]

McCabe may go to jail. :hee:

Trump may go to jail one day too. But first he is going to save world from the Evil Kim!

[Nickdfresh]

Until Trump gets caught getting laid in the White House, yes he is/was worse than Trump.

Is getting laid some great fucking sin or something? FFS do you know what board you're on?

And Drumpf sure ain't getting laid in the White House!

[Nickdfresh]

McCabe may go to jail. :hee:

Trump may go to jail one day too. But first he is going to save world from the Evil Kim!

Trump can't save shit...

[FORD]

Is getting laid some great fucking sin or something? FFS do you know what board you're on?

And Drumpf sure ain't getting laid in the White House!

Certainly not by Malaria. Though who knows what might happen when Kelly Anne is on a meth binge. :smiley-sniffer:

[FORD]

McCabe may go to jail. :hee:

Trump may go to jail one day too. But first he is going to save world from the Evil Kim!

https://www.caglecartoons.com/media/cartoons/42/2018/04/20/209509_600.jpg

[FORD]

nbcnews.com (https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/feds-tapped-trump-lawyer-michael-cohen-s-phones-n871011)
Feds tapped Trump lawyer Michael Cohen's phones
by Tom Winter and Julia Ainsley / May.03.2018 / 9:59 AM ET

Federal investigators have wiretapped the phone lines of Michael Cohen, the longtime personal lawyer for President Donald Trump who is under investigation for a payment he made to an adult film star who alleged she had an affair with Trump, according to two people with knowledge of the legal proceedings involving Cohen.

It is not clear how long the wiretap has been authorized, but NBC News has learned it was in place in the weeks leading up to the raids on Cohen's offices, hotel room, and home in early April, according to one person with direct knowledge.

At least one phone call between a phone line associated with Cohen and the White House was intercepted, the person said.

Previously, federal prosecutors in New York have said in court filings that they have conducted covert searches on multiple e-mail accounts maintained by Cohen.

Spokespeople for the U.S. Attorney's Office and the FBI in New York declined comment.

After the raid, members of Trump's legal team advised the president not to speak to Cohen, according to a person familiar with the discussion.

Two sources close to Trump's newest attorney, Rudolph Giuliani, say he learned that days after the raid the president had made a call to Cohen, and told Trump never to call again out of concern the call was being recorded by prosecutors.

Giuliani told Fox News Wednesday night that Trump repaid Cohen the $130,000 he used to keep the adult film star, Stormy Daniels, from going public with allegations about her affair with Trump.

Giuliani is also described as having warned Trump that Cohen is likely to flip on him, something Trump pushed back on, telling Giuliani that he has known Cohen for years and expects him to be loyal, according to two sources with direct knowledge of the conversations.

Giuliani and a lawyer for Cohen, Steve Ryan, did not immediately respond to a request for comment. The White House referred NBC News to outside counsel.
Image: Republican U.S. presidential nominee Donald Trump and former New York mayor Rudy Giuliani visit the Milwaukee County War Memorial Center in Milwaukee, Wisconsin, Aug. 16, 2016.
Republican U.S. presidential nominee Donald Trump and former New York mayor Rudy Giuliani visit the Milwaukee County War Memorial Center in Milwaukee, Wisconsin, Aug. 16, 2016.Eric Thayer / Reuters

It is unclear what incriminating information Cohen could give prosecutors on Trump, if he chose to cooperate. He represented Trump and the Trump Organization in its business dealings for nearly two decades before Trump became president. Special counsel Robert Mueller is interested in any information that federal investigators in New York may pick up that would be relevant to his investigation into possible collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia.

Cohen has previously said publicly that he would invoke his Fifth Amendment rights if subpoenaed to avoid incriminating himself before a grand jury and there is no indication from public filings that Cohen is cooperating in the probe.

The Cohen investigation is being led by the U.S. Attorney's Office in Manhattan and the FBI. Investigators are looking into the $130,000 transaction between Cohen and adult film star Stormy Daniels, also known as Stephanie Clifford, who allegedly had an affair with Trump more than a decade ago, and a reported payment of $150,000 from American Media Inc., publishers of the National Enquirer, to a second woman who allegedly had an affair with Trump, Playboy model Karen McDougal.

The White House has denied allegations of the affairs.

Investigators are also seeking information about the 2005"Access Hollywood" tape in which Donald Trump was heard making vulgar boasts about women.

The bureau's interest in the "Access Hollywood" tape, on which Trump bragged to host Billy Bush that he would grab women "by the p---y," was first reported by the New York Times. "Access Hollywood" is an NBC Universal television program.

Material seized from Cohen's office, hotel room and home included taped conversations, as well as cellphones and hard drives.

Cohen has asserted in court that much of the material gleaned in the raids should be protected from the eyes of prosecutors under attorney-client privilege.

[Seshmeister]

These people are just idiots.

It's like when the Bond villain stands there and explains his evil plan for no good reason. Gulianni in recent years seems to have dropped about 30 IQ points.

[Terry]

These people are just idiots.

It's like when the Bond villain stands there and explains his evil plan for no good reason. Gulianni in recent years seems to have dropped about 30 IQ points.

Giuliani has become quite a bit unhinged over the last decade, particularly since he realized he would never become president.

While he WAS the Mayor of New York City on September 11th, 2001, after the dust finally settled on that event people remembered that he hadn't been particularly well liked up to and including September 10th, 2001. A reputation well-earned by Hizzoner. Which isn't to say there aren't plenty of New Yorkers who thought overall Giuliani did a good job as mayor despite being a bit of an asshole: the two concepts aren't mutually exclusive in Giuliani's case.

Even sadder than Giuliani trying to parlay his "I was Mayor of New York City on 9/11" into some kind of foreign policy expertise was watching Giuliani hitching his wagon to Trump in 2015. Like Newt Gingrich, I suppose Giuliani thought doing so would be his last real chance at being a player in a presidential administration (one didn't see 2016 GOP hopefuls such as Jeb Bush, Ted Cruz or Marco Rubio calling upon either Giuliani or Gingrich for advice had they prevailed, and neither Newt or Rudy are spring chickens anymore) if Trump won.

And who knows? Giuliani could well end up being in the Cabinet or heading up the DOJ (or the FBI), given the turnover experienced under Trump. I don't see where Giuliani negotiating on behalf of Trump with Mueller is going to be helpful, though, in terms of Mueller giving Giuliani any concessions any of Trump's other lawyers couldn't have obtained. In point of fact, because Giuliani still craves the spotlight - and is also very rusty in terms of actually practicing law - I could see Giuliani being less helpful in the respect that [Giuliani] isn't looked upon as a distinguished or serious minded when it comes to the law. He's just a public showpiece, publicly telling the media what Trump thinks Mueller should and shouldn't do and little more than that. Doubtless Mueller will politely do Giuliani the courtesy of listening to what he has to say, but I doubt Mueller is now shitting his pants because Rudy is on Trump's legal team.

[Nitro Express]

https://youtu.be/MBKu9OJ8Ltk

Actually Rudy has been unhinged for quite a while.

[Nitro Express]

These people are just idiots.

It's like when the Bond villain stands there and explains his evil plan for no good reason. Gulianni in recent years seems to have dropped about 30 IQ points.

It's the swamp gas.

[Seshmeister]

In point of fact, because Giuliani still craves the spotlight - and is also very rusty in terms of actually practicing law - I could see Giuliani being less helpful in the respect that [Giuliani] isn't looked upon as a distinguished or serious minded when it comes to the law. He's just a public showpiece, publicly telling the media what Trump thinks Mueller should and shouldn't do and little more than that. Doubtless Mueller will politely do Giuliani the courtesy of listening to what he has to say, but I doubt Mueller is now shitting his pants because Rudy is on Trump's legal team.

I guess we just overthink a lot of this stuff. He's just an old man that wants to still be in the game before he dies.

The thing that is particularly bad with Guiliani is he must know who Trump is very well from NYC.

New York clearly knows who he is, the 'elites' and the average people. New York voted 2-1 against their own local boy and that was verses Hillary, imagine how few it would have been if it was anyone else on the Democrat site?

The rest of America should really have noticed that hometown where the guy had a super high profile for over 40 years knew he was a dumb snake oil salesman who lost the majority of an inheritance his sociopathic parents had scammed out the government.

[Nitro Express]

Exactly. Giuliani has just gotten old and people's minds aren't as sharp as they were. Plus he was treated for cancer and who knows what that does to you. But if you don't like Trump it's a good thing because Giuliani isn't helping the president. I'm frankly tired of the soap opera. What happens happens. I have no affect on it so I can just go sit in the corner and masturbate. That's more thrilling and productive than following what goes on in the swamp.

[Terry]

I guess we just overthink a lot of this stuff. He's just an old man that wants to still be in the game before he dies.

The thing that is particularly bad with Guiliani is he must know who Trump is very well from NYC.

New York clearly knows who he is, the 'elites' and the average people. New York voted 2-1 against their own local boy and that was verses Hillary, imagine how few it would have been if it was anyone else on the Democrat site?

The rest of America should really have noticed that hometown where the guy had a super high profile for over 40 years knew he was a dumb snake oil salesman who lost the majority of an inheritance his sociopathic parents had scammed out the government.

Rudy just wants to be relevant again.

It was never a secret from any of NYC's movers and shakers going back 40 years who Trump was in terms of his character, both personal and professional. Yet there were never a shortage of NYC movers and shakers willing to go to Trump events and rub elbows with the guy.

As for the rest of America, you wonder how many people under 40 years old who voted for Trump did the slightest bit of due-diligence beyond knowing he was that guy from The Apprentice who claimed to have 10 billion dollars. For them, Trump's lack of appeal in the elitist, liberal media friendly city of New York was probably a plus: if that many coastal elites hate Trump, clearly [Trump] is doing something right.

Idiots. How did that Carrier deal work out? How did that Roy Moore endorsement work out. How has that massive tax cut to the wealthy working out: you rural white working class stiffs getting drowned in dollar bills from all the trickle down? How're you gonna make out when your medical/retirement benefits and social services are slashed? Are you amused that your candidate had to pay off porn stars who fucked him to keep quiet about it? $130,000 for Stormy Daniels seems like a shitty deal for the john in that transaction to me, especially since it didn't buy her silence anyway. A smart businessman would have slept with her, paid her nothing, than denied it happened.

Whatever, you pussy hat wearing faggot! As long as The Donald puts up that wall to keep the Mexicans out, and stops them coming in to do the jobs we don't want to do anyway!!!

Wonderful!

Four more years!! Four more years!!

USA!!! USA!!! USA!!!

[Nitro Express]

Rudy just wants to be relevant again.

It was never a secret from any of NYC's movers and shakers going back 40 years who Trump was in terms of his character, both personal and professional. Yet there were never a shortage of NYC movers and shakers willing to go to Trump events and rub elbows with the guy.

As for the rest of America, you wonder how many people under 40 years old who voted for Trump did the slightest bit of due-diligence beyond knowing he was that guy from The Apprentice who claimed to have 10 billion dollars. For them, Trump's lack of appeal in the elitist, liberal media friendly city of New York was probably a plus: if that many coastal elites hate Trump, clearly [Trump] is doing something right.

Idiots. How did that Carrier deal work out? How did that Roy Moore endorsement work out. How has that massive tax cut to the wealthy working out: you rural white working class stiffs getting drowned in dollar bills from all the trickle down? How're you gonna make out when your medical/retirement benefits and social services are slashed? Are you amused that your candidate had to pay off porn stars who fucked him to keep quiet about it? $130,000 for Stormy Daniels seems like a shitty deal for the john in that transaction to me, especially since it didn't buy her silence anyway. A smart businessman would have slept with her, paid her nothing, than denied it happened.

Whatever, you pussy hat wearing faggot! As long as The Donald puts up that wall to keep the Mexicans out, and stops them coming in to do the jobs we don't want to do anyway!!!

Wonderful!

Four more years!! Four more years!!

USA!!! USA!!! USA!!!

Trump's dad was very active in the Republican Party. When Roger Stone was head of the Republican Party in New York state he was given a list of contacts by Ronald Reagan. Fred Trump was one contact and Fred said you better contact my son Donald. That's how that relationship began. Donald at that point became more involved in the Republican Party in New York starting by giving them office space to run their operations. Probably the person who had the most to do with having Trump run for president was Roger Stone. He first started suggesting he run in 1987. So Giuliani is a party member but I also agree he misses the attention. Mitt Romney is the same. He's done well in business but seems to like politics for whatever reason. He could be spending time at one of his nice properties with his grandchildren but that's boring. I find it odd he's running for a US Senate seat out of Utah. The only thing I can figure is he's going to run again for president. Why would a guy like that want to be a junior senator. Mitt is a strange one.

[Terry]

Trump's dad was very active in the Republican Party. When Roger Stone was head of the Republican Party in New York state he was given a list of contacts by Ronald Reagan. Fred Trump was one contact and Fred said you better contact my son Donald. That's how that relationship began. Donald at that point became more involved in the Republican Party in New York starting by giving them office space to run their operations. Probably the person who had the most to do with having Trump run for president was Roger Stone. He first started suggesting he run in 1987. So Giuliani is a party member but I also agree he misses the attention. Mitt Romney is the same. He's done well in business but seems to like politics for whatever reason. He could be spending time at one of his nice properties with his grandchildren but that's boring. I find it odd he's running for a US Senate seat out of Utah. The only thing I can figure is he's going to run again for president. Why would a guy like that want to be a junior senator. Mitt is a strange one.

Old Mittens.

I recall watching a Netflix documentary called MITT that was released after the 2012 election. Pretty much a behind the scenes fluff piece in that it totally avoided things like Mitt's 47% remarks, but more of a personal fly on the wall video diary of Mitt on the campaign trail. I will say Romney came off much more self-effacing, likable and even funny in those candid moments when he was talking with his family than he ever had publicly in any of his campaigns, where he always seemed a bit stiffly robotic and stuffy.

Part of the thing with Mitt, for me, is that he never really seemed to belong to any one particular state. He has always sort of bounced around the country. I sort of found it weird then that he was actually elected Governor from Massachusetts, and find it just as weird now that after his time there ended he rarely ever references it or has even physically gone back to the region outside of primary appearances related to the 2008 and 2012 election cycles. My puzzlement was always wondering why he didn't run for state office in Utah rather than Massachusetts, or Michigan where he was raised: I have never sensed the slightest affinity on Romney's part for Massachusetts. So, in that respect, at least it makes more sense to me that he is running in Utah this time around.

I also have never particularly gotten a vibe from Romney that he actually likes campaigning in terms of physically meeting voters, or giving campaign rally speeches. I think for Romney the aspect of the Presidency that appeals to him is sitting behind the desk, reading reports, analyzing data, making decisions alone at the desk. You know, the CEO trip.

I also think Romney would be up for making yet ANOTHER run at the White House in 2020 if Trump doesn't seek a 2nd term. So I suppose making a run for the Utah Senate seat makes sense toward a potential 2020 Presidential run in terms of keeping his name out there. However, if Romney fails to get the nomination for the Utah seat, that certainly won't be helpful. Beyond that, I don't really see Romney and the United States Senate as a good fit: Romney doesn't strike me as the kind of politician who wants to be 1 among 100, and a junior 1 at that. He wants executive power.

And hovering over all of this is the feeling that Romney's time has just...passed, you know? Just in terms of his viability. He has made 2 runs at the presidency already. He never particularly excited the Republican base. A lot of the turnout for him in 2012 was just an anti-Obama reaction rather than any real excitement over Romney himself. That GOP primary voters in 2012 were ready to seriously consider Gingrich in an ABR (Anybody But Romney) panic certainly didn't indicate a mindset which believed Romney was a strong candidate.

Mitt just doesn't have the skills to close the deal. I thought the guy might have a bit of previously unforeseen inner fortitude on display when he publicly denounced Trump in 2016. Then, that picture of them dining together over a plate of Frog's Legs after Trump won, with Trump's Cheshire Cat grin and Romney's sheepish, chastened wince...a vivid illustration of Romney's lack of backbone. Romney doesn't have the spine or the cojones needed to be President.

[FORD]

The Mormons in Utah are no fan of Cheeto, so maybe the fact that Mittens has warmed up to him since 2016 isn't doing him any favors in "the new Zion". Of course there's also the "carpetbagger" factor. While Romney's family made the big trip west with Brigham Young, Mittens himself has never been a resident of Utah, his association with the 2002 Winter Olympics probably being the most he's ever had to do with anything in the state.

He may be the most famous Latter Day Saint on this planet, but that doesn't seem to matter much to the rest of Elohim's faithful.

[Nickdfresh]

I guess we just overthink a lot of this stuff. He's just an old man that wants to still be in the game before he dies.

The thing that is particularly bad with Guiliani is he must know who Trump is very well from NYC.
...

It almost seems like Guiliani is blowing up Trump on TV on purpose...

[Seshmeister]

The Mormons in Utah are no fan of Cheeto, so maybe the fact that Mittens has warmed up to him since 2016 isn't doing him any favors in "the new Zion". Of course there's also the "carpetbagger" factor. While Romney's family made the big trip west with Brigham Young, Mittens himself has never been a resident of Utah, his association with the 2002 Winter Olympics probably being the most he's ever had to do with anything in the state.

He may be the most famous Latter Day Saint on this planet, but that doesn't seem to matter much to the rest of Elohim's faithful.

To me it's very very strange that Mormonism somehow comes under the umbrella of 'Christian' and so still qualifies you to get the super important crazy evangelical nutjob voting block.

[Seshmeister]

It almost seems like Guiliani is blowing up Trump on TV on purpose...

John Oliver did a thing on Guilliani this week pointing out that he has always been crazy.

[FORD]

To me it's very very strange that Mormonism somehow comes under the umbrella of 'Christian' and so still qualifies you to get the super important crazy evangelical nutjob voting block.

Doesn't always work that way. A lot of the FundaMENTALists in the South (and probably more than a few of them in the North) still don't accept Mormons as Christians, and they swore they would not vote for Romney in 2012. Some of them probably caved in the end, because though Mittens was a "cultist", at least he was white!

[FORD]

https://i.imgur.com/8IVffcw.png

[Kristy]

Ah just bomb Syria. That will distract everyone.

We already did, you F A T fuckstick. The F A T Orange Blunder already wasted over $3 million in American taxpayer money to "bomb" a lot of empty airports.

No need for you to worry since you never pay taxes.

[Kristy]

John Oliver did a thing on Guilliani this week pointing out that he has always been crazy.

Wow. Deep and insightful as always.

[Terry]

John Oliver did a thing on Guilliani this week pointing out that he has always been crazy.

If one only knew what they knew of Giuliani from watching coverage of how he handled himself and NYC during and in the wake of the September 11th, 2001 terrorist attacks, and that period - undoubtedly his finest - of Giuliani's political career was all one had really been aware of or exposed to (and really, unless one had lived in or near NYC during the Giuliani years, why WOULD you necessarily know anything more about him than the 9/11 stuff), then Giuliani's statements supporting Trump from 2016 up through today might seem a bit strange, or a case of "oh, poor Rudy, he has become a bit unhinged in his dotage."

For many of us who saw Giuliani in action as mayor of Mew York City pre 9/11, the Giuliani of late isn't particularly shocking. Perhaps mildly different in that he is less apt to restrain his comments now than he was before 2008, back when he still had aspirations of an elected office (as opposed to an appointed position). Now, when I see Rudy giving these interviews, I'm like "well, THAT is the Rudy Giuliani I remember, before he wrapped himself in the mythmaking of 9/11."

[Terry]

https://i.imgur.com/8IVffcw.png


What's the old expression?

Something about laying down next to a dog, you should expect to wake up with fleas.

In Cohen's case, though, it seems just as likely he would have engaged in dubious activities on behalf of someone other than Trump with the same level of ease. Character being destiny and whatnot.

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https://i.imgur.com/t27aKjE.png

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=prYlLdXwQVM

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2p2Qmm3W1cg

He went home with a porn star
The way he'd always do
How were we to know
He'd be with the Russians, too?

They were peeing there in Moscow
And Cohen's in on this
His lawyer bummed some money
To get him out of this

He's the President's own fixer
And somehow he got stuck
Between that Trump and some hard time
And he might just be fucked

Yes, he's down on his luck
Yes, he might just be fucked

He's talking with Stephanopoulos
He's a desparate man
Trump's lawyer needs some money
The shithead's not a fan.