Roth's Not Talking

[ZahZoo]

Dave's publicizing that he's not talking, but meeting with the Van Halens in the next week or so...

https://www.vhnd.com/2019/06/14/david-lee-roth-comments-on-van-halens-future/

[Phil theStalker]

:bigwink:jUST sO LoNG aS tHErE''s A neW aL/BuM,, aND tHEY dON''"T sOUND LiKE oLD dEAd MMMeN!/!:wanker::nose-picking:

[Jérôme Frenchise]

In other words, he's meeting the Bros soon, but was asked to keep his mouth shut about it.

Well, this must be taken with a lot of wariness... as usual.

And it doesn't feel the same as the "Get ready" thing a few years ago.

[ZahZoo]

It's a whole lot of nothing... but it's still more interesting than silence...

[Nickdfresh]

He actually is sort of talking, but FFS would you want to make definitive statements regarding the plans of Ed and Alex Van Halen?

[Fairwrning]

Question is can he sing?? ...and I think we all know the answer.

[twonabomber]

Dave's not shy about talking on YouTube. I can't keep up.

[Grit]

He's always put more effort in the studio than on stage vocally. I am sure he will sound great.

[Vinnie Velvet]

Question is can he sing?? ...and I think we all know the answer.

Compared to his contemporaries like Ozzy and Paul Stanley, Dave will be fine.

Ozzy and KISS still pack crowds at shows despite the fact that both lead singers cant sing anymore.

[DavidLeeNatra]

Compared to his contemporaries like Ozzy and Paul Stanley, Dave will be fine.

Ozzy and KISS still pack crowds at shows despite the fact that both lead singers cant sing anymore.I've been to KISS two weeks ago. In fact, Stanley improved a bit but they back it up heavily. Dave can stand this ground any day of the week. He will do fine in the studio.

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[Seshmeister]

Sorry but the KI$$ tour is completely mimed.

What you saw was not live music.

[Nickdfresh]

Not surprising actually...
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/fa/d0/cb/fad0cb665d1ff9bd3e577b0ef057a0f5.jpg

[DavidLeeNatra]

Sorry but the KI$$ tour is completely mimed.

What you saw was not live music. Partly true. There are bits and pieces they play live. And Paul's "LISTON PEOPLE"-rants are still live. His voice was not that much of a disaster like it was the last time in 2014.

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[Seshmeister]

So his voice in between songs was better than usual? :)

[Vinnie Velvet]

There is a recent KISS show in Kiev.

A total disaster. Stanley actually waited until the canned vocals would kick in on the opener DRC and when they didn't he had to resort to his shot voice.

It was pathetic.

[Nitro Express]

There is a recent KISS show in Kiev.

A total disaster. Stanley actually waited until the canned vocals would kick in on the opener DRC and when they didn't he had to resort to his shot voice.

It was pathetic.


https://youtu.be/pqqjRVdakeI

Girl you know it's...girl you know it's...girl you know it's...

[Nitro Express]

Looks like they are Milli KISSinilli now.

[Nitro Express]

Watch. Gene will sell a KISS karaoke machine with canned Paul vocals on tap. Also some padded KISS condoms to make you look bigger than your are.

[Nickdfresh]

Looks like they are Milli KISSinilli now.

To be fair, they are miming their own vocals...

[ZahZoo]

One has to wonder if the VH meeting Dave was eluding to this week, has any relation to the Michael Anthony interview that just surfaced..?

[Nitro Express]

To be fair, they are miming their own vocals...

Really doesn't matter. People go to a KISS show to watch a bunch of stuff blow up on stage. Hell when you are watching explosions while drunk and high, you really don't care about the vocals. Hell. You might not remember most of the concert. You will probably be wondering how you got home and who's panties ended up in your backset.

[Nitro Express]

One has to wonder if the VH meeting Dave was eluding to this week, has any relation to the Michael Anthony interview that just surfaced..?

Mike is the perfect example of nice guys finish last. VH screwed him raw. He just bent over and smiled as they stole his royalties. The guy at one time got a equal fifth of what the band made. Mike should have just said, "I'm not signing shit motherfuckers. Have fun on stage without me." They would have freaked. You can replace the bass playing easy enough but your can't replace those vocals. Of course with Wolfie Mike can't pull that move but I bet VH gave Mike a shit deal and he said fuck this shit, I will just stay in Sammy's circle jerk.

[Nitro Express]

That's ok though. Sam likes a man who takes it up the ass with a smile. Mike is hairy and can really scream. To Sammy that's a gimp from heaven.

[ZahZoo]

Mike is the perfect example of nice guys finish last. VH screwed him raw. He just bent over and smiled as they stole his royalties. The guy at one time got a equal fifth of what the band made. Mike should have just said, "I'm not signing shit motherfuckers. Have fun on stage without me." They would have freaked. You can replace the bass playing easy enough but your can't replace those vocals. Of course with Wolfie Mike can't pull that move but I bet VH gave Mike a shit deal and he said fuck this shit, I will just stay in Sammy's circle jerk.

I'm of the opinion Mike's finished first more than any of the VH band members... Sure, he was fucked over by the Van Halen Brothers™, but he didn't crawl off and cry. Just found ways to continue having fun making music, working with many of the greatest legends in the rock music business and enjoying life in general. Appears to me, Mike's remained in a far better place in life than the 3 other founding members of the band combined. And that's even with his wagon hitched to Hagar...

Say what you will... more albums, tours, positive fan interactions, endorsements and performances in the last 15 years. Check the scores... Mike's so far in the lead the rest aren't even in the ball park.

[Terry]

Mike has this level of passivity about all the shit that went down...I don't get it, other than maybe by the time Ed finally gave him the boot [Mike] was content to just be done with it and move on. One can't imagine the last several years he was employed by the band - which is basically what he was after Hagar left, an employee - were particularly satisfying. Conventional wisdom is that he didn't even play on Van Halen III. After the Van Halen III tour ended, the band did fuck all. The Van Halens didn't even want him on that last tour with Hagar in 2004, and considering the quality of the shows on that tour had Anthony sat it out he might have been better off.

When one reads Monk's book and the details about how Roth and the Van Halens forced Anthony to sign to a smaller percentage of the publishing going forward from 1984 on, it seems Anthony was kept on a short 'take it or leave it' leash by the Van Halens for a good twenty years before they unceremoniously chucked him out and replaced him with Ed's kid: Ed apparently doesn't consider what Anthony brought to the group as being in the least bit valuable. Anthony has had little to no contact with Roth for the past 35 years. All of which begs the question as to why Anthony would be itching to reunite with the band for what will doubtless be a pittance in terms of the wage offered by the Van Halens for doing so?

I mean, for all the snide remarks about Mike Anthony being Hagar's butt boy, at least Mike gets to play regularly with a group of guys who he has fun with and who appreciate what he brings to the group. The only reason I can see Anthony at this point wanting to even temporarily trade that off for a Van Halen reunion is that he would be doing it for the fans (because one gets the sense that Anthony actually would be willing to do it for the fans: contrast that with the attitude the Van Halens have toward their fans) and he would get paid well. Anything short of that, why bother?

[Nitro Express]

I'm of the opinion Mike's finished first more than any of the VH band members... Sure, he was fucked over by the Van Halen Brothers™, but he didn't crawl off and cry. Just found ways to continue having fun making music, working with many of the greatest legends in the rock music business and enjoying life in general. Appears to me, Mike's remained in a far better place in life than the 3 other founding members of the band combined. And that's even with his wagon hitched to Hagar...

Say what you will... more albums, tours, positive fan interactions, endorsements and performances in the last 15 years. Check the scores... Mike's so far in the lead the rest aren't even in the ball park.

I'm looking at it from a business perspective. But yeah as far as a quality family life and being happy Mike has em all beat. Absolutely.

[Nitro Express]

Mike has this level of passivity about all the shit that went down...I don't get it, other than maybe by the time Ed finally gave him the boot [Mike] was content to just be done with it and move on. One can't imagine the last several years he was employed by the band - which is basically what he was after Hagar left, an employee - were particularly satisfying. Conventional wisdom is that he didn't even play on Van Halen III. After the Van Halen III tour ended, the band did fuck all. The Van Halens didn't even want him on that last tour with Hagar in 2004, and considering the quality of the shows on that tour had Anthony sat it out he might have been better off.

When one reads Monk's book and the details about how Roth and the Van Halens forced Anthony to sign to a smaller percentage of the publishing going forward from 1984 on, it seems Anthony was kept on a short 'take it or leave it' leash by the Van Halens for a good twenty years before they unceremoniously chucked him out and replaced him with Ed's kid: Ed apparently doesn't consider what Anthony brought to the group as being in the least bit valuable. Anthony has had little to no contact with Roth for the past 35 years. All of which begs the question as to why Anthony would be itching to reunite with the band for what will doubtless be a pittance in terms of the wage offered by the Van Halens for doing so?

I mean, for all the snide remarks about Mike Anthony being Hagar's butt boy, at least Mike gets to play regularly with a group of guys who he has fun with and who appreciate what he brings to the group. The only reason I can see Anthony at this point wanting to even temporarily trade that off for a Van Halen reunion is that he would be doing it for the fans (because one gets the sense that Anthony actually would be willing to do it for the fans: contrast that with the attitude the Van Halens have toward their fans) and he would get paid well. Anything short of that, why bother?

Mike is a get up there and jam guy. The Van Halen's are studio wankers. Roth is a recluse who seems to have to have everything planned out and tightly controlled. Dave don't spontaniously fill in or jump up on stage. Mike and Sam are spontaneous the rest of the VH dudes aren't. That's the difference.

[hain23x]

Give me “get up and jam” guys over studio wankers any day of the week.




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[Vinnie Velvet]

Mike is a get up there and jam guy. The Van Halen's are studio wankers. Roth is a recluse who seems to have to have everything planned out and tightly controlled. Dave don't spontaniously fill in or jump up on stage. Mike and Sam are spontaneous the rest of the VH dudes aren't. That's the difference.

Yeah whatever.

FUCK Bassplayer and his wife Bette Midler.

[Nitro Express]

Yeah whatever.

FUCK Bassplayer and his wife Bette Midler.

Yeah but at least they go out and jam. They aren’t afraid to sit in or do a spontaneous jam. Eddie has become a guitar and amp manufacture. He’s a brand name but nobody see’s the guy or his brother. Roth is a strange recluse. He’s become the strange old man who wears bad suits and reminds everyone he once was in Van Halen.

[Terry]

Yeah whatever.

FUCK Bassplayer and his wife Bette Midler.

Meh...I'm sort of at the point where Hagar and Mike can say or do whatever, and I can't be bothered getting angry about it.

[Vinnie Velvet]

Really doesn't matter. People go to a KISS show to watch a bunch of stuff blow up on stage. Hell when you are watching explosions while drunk and high, you really don't care about the vocals. Hell. You might not remember most of the concert. You will probably be wondering how you got home and who's panties ended up in your backset.

Nobody is drunk and high at a KISS show these days. Come on now.

Majority of concert goers at their shows comprise of casual fans with diehards who now bring their kids.

Its not 1977.

[Vinnie Velvet]

Meh...I'm sort of at the point where Hagar and Mike can say or do whatever, and I can't be bothered getting angry about it.

I ain't angry. Just a statement. lol

You have to admit, MA's "nice guy" persona is annoying not to mention his association with Sam.

Ed and Al will always be jerks and Dave can be a handful but Mike shouldn't be without criticism.

[Baby's On Fire]

Mike has this level of passivity about all the shit that went down...I don't get it, other than maybe by the time Ed finally gave him the boot [Mike] was content to just be done with it and move on. One can't imagine the last several years he was employed by the band - which is basically what he was after Hagar left, an employee - were particularly satisfying. Conventional wisdom is that he didn't even play on Van Halen III. After the Van Halen III tour ended, the band did fuck all. The Van Halens didn't even want him on that last tour with Hagar in 2004, and considering the quality of the shows on that tour had Anthony sat it out he might have been better off.

When one reads Monk's book and the details about how Roth and the Van Halens forced Anthony to sign to a smaller percentage of the publishing going forward from 1984 on, it seems Anthony was kept on a short 'take it or leave it' leash by the Van Halens for a good twenty years before they unceremoniously chucked him out and replaced him with Ed's kid: Ed apparently doesn't consider what Anthony brought to the group as being in the least bit valuable. Anthony has had little to no contact with Roth for the past 35 years. All of which begs the question as to why Anthony would be itching to reunite with the band for what will doubtless be a pittance in terms of the wage offered by the Van Halens for doing so?

I mean, for all the snide remarks about Mike Anthony being Hagar's butt boy, at least Mike gets to play regularly with a group of guys who he has fun with and who appreciate what he brings to the group. The only reason I can see Anthony at this point wanting to even temporarily trade that off for a Van Halen reunion is that he would be doing it for the fans (because one gets the sense that Anthony actually would be willing to do it for the fans: contrast that with the attitude the Van Halens have toward their fans) and he would get paid well. Anything short of that, why bother?

I don't take anything Noel Monk says as necessarily true.

First off, at the end of the book, he claims Dave RELEASED EAS before leaving Van Halen and that was the final straw. The fucking manager doesn't even know the truth.

Secondly, he spends a lot of time defending himself about not having stolen from VH, even though nobody in VH ever publicly accused him of anything.

If he doesn't even remember Dave made EAS after VH released 5150, how can anyone take him seriously.

Thirdly, Sammy said the VH brothers cut Mike out of his share in around 1993 / 1994 (around the time of FUCK). Well if Mike was already cut out 10 years earlier, how did he gain back his equal share in between? No way the VH asshole brothers would have given Mike his equal share back in the interim.

I don't necessarily believe Sammy, but I sure don't trust a greedy little manager who never deserved 20% of the band's take in the first place.

I'm surprised nobody caught Monk's total misrepresentation of when Dave released EAS.

[Terry]

I ain't angry. Just a statement. lol

You have to admit, MA's "nice guy" persona is annoying not to mention his association with Sam.

Ed and Al will always be jerks and Dave can be a handful but Mike shouldn't be without criticism.

Well, this assumes Mike is acting like he's a nice guy - creating said persona - rather than actually simply just being one.

I mean, I dunno. I suppose Mike could be a total prick in private.

I don't really find Anthony's nice guy persona annoying. More like baffling.

Even if one tends to think the only thing Anthony contributed to CVH was in the area of backing vocals, and that Anthony was merely lucky enough to have been in a band with Eddie Van Halen (the Lottery Winner theory) to begin with, far as I can tell Mike was loyal to the Van Halens for far longer than anybody else who has been in the band. For Anthony to get dumped the way he did, and remain publicly stoic about it, is just mystifying to me.

I don't even find Mike's association with Hagar to be particularly annoying. Mike and Hagar enjoy playing music together...okay. Nobody's forcing me to listen to what they do. There seems to be some who believe that if only Mike wasn't friends with Hagar, Ed wouldn't have chucked him out of the band. Rings false to me.

I don't think anybody's beyond criticism, but the instances of Mike Anthony being a nice guy and associating with Hagar aren't really things worthy of criticism. I mean, was Mike Anthony just supposed to publicly disavow Hagar and sit around waiting for Eddie to call him?

[Baby's On Fire]

Well, this assumes Mike is acting like he's a nice guy - creating said persona - rather than actually simply just being one.

I mean, I dunno. I suppose Mike could be a total prick in private.

I don't really find Anthony's nice guy persona annoying. More like baffling.

Even if one tends to think the only thing Anthony contributed to CVH was in the area of backing vocals, and that Anthony was merely lucky enough to have been in a band with Eddie Van Halen (the Lottery Winner theory) to begin with, far as I can tell Mike was loyal to the Van Halens for far longer than anybody else who has been in the band. For Anthony to get dumped the way he did, and remain publicly stoic about it, is just mystifying to me.

I don't even find Mike's association with Hagar to be particularly annoying. Mike and Hagar enjoy playing music together...okay. Nobody's forcing me to listen to what they do. There seems to be some who believe that if only Mike wasn't friends with Hagar, Ed wouldn't have chucked him out of the band. Rings false to me.

I don't think anybody's beyond criticism, but the instances of Mike Anthony being a nice guy and associating with Hagar aren't really things worthy of criticism. I mean, was Mike Anthony just supposed to publicly disavow Hagar and sit around waiting for Eddie to call him?

I never understood the nonsense that Mike and Alex didn't contribute anything.

Did the bass play itself, And the drums?

What about rehearsal time and effort? What about the touring effort? That contribution adds to record sales (by putting on a good show), and Mike had good stage presence and put as much effort into the tour as anyone, other than DLR. DLR contributed the most on tour by his sheer physicality which by itself is a huge amount of work. Even the greedy manager stated DLR worked his ass off.

I am no musician but there is way more to writing songs than the guitar and vocals.

As far as MA being considered a nice guy, he shit-talked Dave for decades and to me is an ungrateful prick. No DLR, no MA fortune.

And he even shit talked Sammy after 1996. He was likely forced by the brothers, but that just makes him a pussy. He shit talked the guy he claims to be brothers with, instead of standing his ground and sticking up for his friend.

You can't trust anyone like that.

[Nitro Express]

I never understood the nonsense that Mike and Alex didn't contribute anything.

Did the bass play itself, And the drums?

What about rehearsal time and effort? What about the touring effort? That contribution adds to record sales (by putting on a good show), and Mike had good stage presence and put as much effort into the tour as anyone, other than DLR. DLR contributed the most on tour by his sheer physicality which by itself is a huge amount of work. Even the greedy manager stated DLR worked his ass off.

I am no musician but there is way more to writing songs than the guitar and vocals.

As far as MA being considered a nice guy, he shit-talked Dave for decades and to me is an ungrateful prick. No DLR, no MA fortune.

And he even shit talked Sammy after 1996. He was likely forced by the brothers, but that just makes him a pussy. He shit talked the guy he claims to be brothers with, instead of standing his ground and sticking up for his friend.

You can't trust anyone like that.

It's a weird situation. I'm kind of like Noel Monk in the way of seeing Mike as a spineless gimp just taking shit from the Van Halen's. It's like being the kid on the playground taking all sorts of shit from the school bully and not sticking up for himself. It's pathetically weak. Once you let yourself become toilet paper the ass whipping continues. It continues until you behave in a manner that demands respect. You don't let people walk all over you.

[Nitro Express]

Well, this assumes Mike is acting like he's a nice guy - creating said persona - rather than actually simply just being one.

I mean, I dunno. I suppose Mike could be a total prick in private.

I don't really find Anthony's nice guy persona annoying. More like baffling.

Even if one tends to think the only thing Anthony contributed to CVH was in the area of backing vocals, and that Anthony was merely lucky enough to have been in a band with Eddie Van Halen (the Lottery Winner theory) to begin with, far as I can tell Mike was loyal to the Van Halens for far longer than anybody else who has been in the band. For Anthony to get dumped the way he did, and remain publicly stoic about it, is just mystifying to me.

I don't even find Mike's association with Hagar to be particularly annoying. Mike and Hagar enjoy playing music together...okay. Nobody's forcing me to listen to what they do. There seems to be some who believe that if only Mike wasn't friends with Hagar, Ed wouldn't have chucked him out of the band. Rings false to me.

I don't think anybody's beyond criticism, but the instances of Mike Anthony being a nice guy and associating with Hagar aren't really things worthy of criticism. I mean, was Mike Anthony just supposed to publicly disavow Hagar and sit around waiting for Eddie to call him?

Sammy loves Mike because Mike takes it up the ass. First from the Van Halen's and then from Sammy. Sammy likes nice guys who bend over and let love walk in.

[Nitro Express]

Nobody is drunk and high at a KISS show these days. Come on now.

Majority of concert goers at their shows comprise of casual fans with diehards who now bring their kids.

Its not 1977.

Wow. What a drag. Sounds boring.

[Jérôme Frenchise]

Yeah, you need to be high and drunk all the more so if the music is that bad.

[Vinnie Velvet]

Sammy loves Mike because Mike takes it up the ass. First from the Van Halen's and then from Sammy. Sammy likes nice guys who bend over and let love walk in.

:biggrin:

[Vinnie Velvet]

Well, this assumes Mike is acting like he's a nice guy - creating said persona - rather than actually simply just being one.

I mean, I dunno. I suppose Mike could be a total prick in private.

I don't really find Anthony's nice guy persona annoying. More like baffling.

Even if one tends to think the only thing Anthony contributed to CVH was in the area of backing vocals, and that Anthony was merely lucky enough to have been in a band with Eddie Van Halen (the Lottery Winner theory) to begin with, far as I can tell Mike was loyal to the Van Halens for far longer than anybody else who has been in the band. For Anthony to get dumped the way he did, and remain publicly stoic about it, is just mystifying to me.

I don't even find Mike's association with Hagar to be particularly annoying. Mike and Hagar enjoy playing music together...okay. Nobody's forcing me to listen to what they do. There seems to be some who believe that if only Mike wasn't friends with Hagar, Ed wouldn't have chucked him out of the band. Rings false to me.

I don't think anybody's beyond criticism, but the instances of Mike Anthony being a nice guy and associating with Hagar aren't really things worthy of criticism. I mean, was Mike Anthony just supposed to publicly disavow Hagar and sit around waiting for Eddie to call him?

Well when you align yourself with someone who publicly trashed Ed after the 2004 tour ended and then joins his band calling themselves "The Other Half of Van Halen" not to mention more Ed trashing in his book afterwards, what do you expect? So, in my opinion he's not without some criticism.

There are so many other artists Bassplayer could have hooked up with - but he decides to go with Sam.

[Nitro Express]

Just don't flash any titties. I don't care if the kids see em. Gene will walk off the stage trying to get at em.

[Nitro Express]

Well when you align yourself with someone who publicly trashed Ed after the 2004 tour ended and then joins his band calling themselves "The Other Half of Van Halen" not to mention more Ed trashing in his book afterwards, what do you expect? So, in my opinion he's not without some criticism.

There are so many other artists Bassplayer could have hooked up with - but he decides to go with Sam.

Sam pulls a string on Mike's shorts and looks for an opening and Sam's love comes walking in. It happened singing that damn song together back in the Van Hagar days and what can you say. Sam and Mike fell in love. Sam is the dominant faggot and he likes Mike to be the woman. A roll he's well practiced and suited for. Al and Ed might be fags but they aren't gay. Mike and Sam are faggots and gay.

[Nickdfresh]

I don't take anything Noel Monk says as necessarily true.

I agree, he does show some moments of faulty memory. For instance, some of what he said about VH's South American tour circa the Diver Down era doesn't jibe with the bootlegs and concert chronology...


First off, at the end of the book, he claims Dave RELEASED EAS before leaving Van Halen and that was the final straw. The fucking manager doesn't even know the truth.

Secondly, he spends a lot of time defending himself about not having stolen from VH, even though nobody in VH ever publicly accused him of anything.

If he doesn't even remember Dave made EAS after VH released 5150, how can anyone take him seriously.

...
I'm surprised nobody caught Monk's total misrepresentation of when Dave released EAS.

I'm not sure what the fuck you are talking about here. I just paged through Ch. 18 of Monk's RWTD and he says nothing of the sort. What he does say is that he worked on Dave's "EP" and mentions "Crazy from the Heat" and (paraphrasing) "hating every song of it even while promoting the hell out of it". I didn't see him mention Eat 'Em and Smile at all, and he scantly touches on Dave's solo career and the Van Hagar era as for him this was the end. I do recall him mentioning being the in the same club as Dave while managing his forgotten follow-up band in the late 80's and Dave having his security asking Monk to leave and being a cunt, but not sure where that was in the book...

[Vinnie Velvet]

Sam pulls a string on Mike's shorts and looks for an opening and Sam's love comes walking in. It happened singing that damn song together back in the Van Hagar days and what can you say. Sam and Mike fell in love. Sam is the dominant faggot and he likes Mike to be the woman. A roll he's well practiced and suited for. Al and Ed might be fags but they aren't gay. Mike and Sam are faggots and gay.

:D

That's all true yes. LOL

[Vinnie Velvet]

I agree, he does show some moments of faulty memory. For instance, some of what he said about VH's South American tour circa the Diver Down era doesn't jibe with the bootlegs and concert chronology...



I'm not sure what the fuck you are talking about here. I just paged through Ch. 18 of Monk's RWTD and he says nothing of the sort. What he does say is that he worked on Dave's "EP" and mentions "Crazy from the Heat" and (paraphrasing) "hating every song of it even while promoting the hell out of it". I didn't see him mention Eat 'Em and Smile at all, and he scantly touches on Dave's solo career and the Van Hagar era as for him this was the end. I do recall him mentioning being the in the same club as Dave while managing his forgotten follow-up band in the late 80's and Dave having his security asking Monk to leave and being a cunt, but not sure where that was in the book...

Yes, Monk is referring to CFTH, not EEAS. By which time he was gone.

[Baby's On Fire]

I agree, he does show some moments of faulty memory. For instance, some of what he said about VH's South American tour circa the Diver Down era doesn't jibe with the bootlegs and concert chronology...



I'm not sure what the fuck you are talking about here. I just paged through Ch. 18 of Monk's RWTD and he says nothing of the sort. What he does say is that he worked on Dave's "EP" and mentions "Crazy from the Heat" and (paraphrasing) "hating every song of it even while promoting the hell out of it". I didn't see him mention Eat 'Em and Smile at all, and he scantly touches on Dave's solo career and the Van Hagar era as for him this was the end. I do recall him mentioning being the in the same club as Dave while managing his forgotten follow-up band in the late 80's and Dave having his security asking Monk to leave and being a cunt, but not sure where that was in the book...

He certainly did say it in the book. I'll look for it, but not right at the moment.

I read the book in one day, and that jumped right out at me and is why I don't trust anything the greedy little managr says.

He is bitter and I don't believe anything he says if there isn't any other existing evidence of it.

[Baby's On Fire]

Here you go. Dead center of of page 397 in the hardcopy book:

"The EP was followed by a solo album, and finally, in August, the news Van Halen fans already suspected was confirmed by Edward in an interview with Rolling Stone: David Lee Roth had left the band."

Verbatim. I can upload a photo of the paragraph if you doubt me.

[Seshmeister]

If it says that then it's an error of course given 5150 came out months before EEAS, maybe it's been fixed between editions?

I only have the audiobook version and I'm not spending the time to try and find the quote. :)

[Baby's On Fire]

If it says that then it's an error of course given 5150 came out months before EEAS, maybe it's been fixed between editions?

I only have the audiobook version and I'm not spending the time to try and find the quote. :)


It does say that and it's exactly my point. Dave didn't even begin looking for a band until well after he quit. 5150 came out way before EAS.

If the manager doesn't know what he's talking about with such a milestone event, nothing else he says can be believed.

Not that whatever else he said is an intentional lie or even wrong, but how can he "recollect" who said what at what point in time, if he has such a false recollection of a milestone event a year and a half off from the actual timeline?

The whole "Michael Anthony was cut out of royalties" I do not believe at all. Mike was cut out in around 1991 when Ed LEffler passed. I don't like Sammy, but I believe him there.

Noel strikes me as bitter and greedy, but not without some justification to be so, to be sure. But he has an obvious bias and false recollection.

He is right that Alex was / is a miserable asshole and the real cause of the break up.

[Seshmeister]

All autobiographies and peoples memories are way less accurate than you would think. The only chance of an accurate one is where someone honestly publishes their diaries made at the time. I didn't get impression that Monk was any more bitter or greedy than anyone else and if he was then he would surely have cashed in way earlier when Van Halen were still big news. Also he says he has extensive notes and diaries which I really doubt the band members have. He wasn't managing Dave by the time of the 'milestone event' of EEAS so I don't see how if there is that error in his book that means the rest of it should be discounted.

Monk comes across as a fairly reliable witness, Hagar lies constantly.

I think you are confusing the Michael Antony royalties issue, this was the first time his royalties were cut, the second time was when the new deal with Warners was cut. To be honest I never really got the big issue with that - no one argues that Mike was writing songs so him no longer getting writing royalties doesn't seem insanely unfair to me.

[Baby's On Fire]

All autobiographies and peoples memories are way less accurate than you would think. The only chance of an accurate one is where someone honestly publishes their diaries made at the time. I didn't get impression that Monk was any more bitter or greedy than anyone else and if he was then he would surely have cashed in way earlier when Van Halen were still big news. Also he says he has extensive notes and diaries which I really doubt the band members have. He wasn't managing Dave by the time of the 'milestone event' of EEAS so I don't see how if there is that error in his book that means the rest of it should be discounted.

Monk comes across as a fairly reliable witness, Hagar lies constantly.

I think you are confusing the Michael Antony royalties issue, this was the first time his royalties were cut, the second time was when the new deal with Warners was cut. To be honest I never really got the big issue with that - no one argues that Mike was writing songs so him no longer getting writing royalties doesn't seem insanely unfair to me.


Noel said what he said. He is way off. He was the manager and can't get major events straight. If he can't get that straight, he is not credible, in general.

Don't make excuses for him. It isn't just a typo.

Anyway, who gives a fuck? I'm gonna get ready to hit the strip club.

[Nickdfresh]

Noel said what he said. He is way off. He was the manager and can't get major events straight. If he can't get that straight, he is not credible, in general.

Okay. What did he say?

Cite the page number. I'm citing from Chapter 18. Where does he say that Dave was with EAS and released "Yankee Fucking Rose"!? You jackass!


Don't make excuses for him. It isn't just a typo.

Well I could could make excuses for you. Do you have a learning disability?


Anyway, who gives a fuck? I'm gonna get ready to hit the strip club.

Let's go!


As I said I agree that Noel has some faulty memories, this isn't one of those. It's very clear he stopped keeping up with the Van Halens after 1985...

[Nickdfresh]

Here you go. Dead center of of page 397 in the hardcopy book:

"The EP was followed by a solo album, and finally, in August, the news Van Halen fans already suspected was confirmed by Edward in an interview with Rolling Stone: David Lee Roth had left the band."

Verbatim. I can upload a photo of the paragraph if you doubt me.

Not saying you don't have a different edition, but my book only goes to pg. 342...

But even that is just true, Dave DID release a solo album after CFTH! But he fuckwell was done with Van Halen at that point (1986). So was Monk...

You're quoting the wrong book! Maybe Van Halen Rising? I lost my edition so can't say!

[Nickdfresh]

Yes, Monk is referring to CFTH, not EEAS. By which time he was gone.

Exactly, and he's quite explicit about it because he worked on the fucking thing and promoted it for Dave despite thinking the actual content, if not idea, what shit...

[Nickdfresh]

He certainly did say it in the book. I'll look for it, but not right at the moment.

I read the book in one day, and that jumped right out at me and is why I don't trust anything the greedy little managr says.

He is bitter and I don't believe anything he says if there isn't any other existing evidence of it.

He's talking about Crazy from the Heat you dolt!

[Nickdfresh]

BTW, I'm not trying to be a dick even though I admit to being one, I just believe in being accurate. Monk has faults, but not knowing that Dave released EAS in 1986 ain't one of them...

[Nickdfresh]

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[Baby's On Fire]

He's talking about Crazy from the Heat you dolt!


No he's not you fucking idiot.

Were you born this stupid or did you have to work at it?

Jesus Christ you're a fucking moron. Read what I quoted.

[Nickdfresh]

No he's not you fucking idiot.

Yeah, sure moron...


Were you born this stupid or did you have to work at it?

Actually born a genius but have worked hard at stupid all my life!


Jesus Christ you're a fucking moron. Read what I quoted.

Sure, can you quote the right fucking book? you retard!

Page 397? Scan that shit!!

[ZahZoo]

I'm looking at it from a business perspective. But yeah as far as a quality family life and being happy Mike has em all beat. Absolutely.

That right there... sums up the ultimate qualities in life that I can appreciate and admire.

From a business perspective, Mike invested wisely, owned businesses he had a passion for and succeeded in that realm too. Not a bazillionare, but successful, none the less.

The only thing Roth and the Van Halen brothers scored more of compared to Mike... regrets, isolation, bitterness and wasted decades of productive life. Pure losers in my book...

[Seshmeister]

Not saying you don't have a different edition, but my book only goes to pg. 342...



He may have the popup version... :)

[VHscraps]

Noel said what he said. He is way off. He was the manager and can't get major events straight. If he can't get that straight, he is not credible, in general.

Don't make excuses for him. It isn't just a typo.

Anyway, who gives a fuck? I'm gonna get ready to hit the strip club.

I would blame the cocaine. Or the booze. Or the fact that none of them, including Noel, knew any of this crap would be recorded for posterity (although curiously, he did claim to have kept a diary of his time tour managing the Sex Pistols, which he later published).

Having personally tried to reconcile numerous events from the lives of more than one rock musician with the actual facts, it seems to me that they are, more often than not, pretty inaccurate in their own recollection of events they were personally involved in. Certainly with respect to times and dates.

Monk was probably partaking of the pleasures of the rock'n'roll life as much as the band. But, book publishers like to make the public think they are providing them with the truth, the real story (while not actually employing anyone like a fact-checker, especially now that they operate on tighter budgets).

And, add to that the fact that researching pre-internet events that, in the bigger picture, are probably not seen as that important (i.e., album release dates) is time intensive and can take a bit of work. The information is not always - or even mostly - going to be found and verified with easily available online sources.

Anyway, chronologically, I think that things are apt to become confused with this period in the Van Halen story.

It possibly begins with the fact that they released an album titled '1984' that was recorded between Spring and Fall 1983. It was mastered and ready for release by October '83, but held for release until the turn of the new year. Then, after Van Halen's 1984 US tour concluded, Dave recorded CFTH, which was completed by late summer '84.

Then ... and maybe this is where Noel is confused by events ... before Dave put together the band that recorded EEAS, he was already working on the soundtrack to the film that never was, 'Crazy From the Heat', to the extent that he was working with Nile Rodgers on it. I don't know if anything was recorded, but Rodgers was either writing songs / music for it, or was on board to do that, and this all was before the split with VH.

Beers!

[DavidLeeNatra]

It has been said in the VH documentary that Dave was secretly working with another band while they tried to work on the follow up to 1984. He was accused of provoking arguments, so that he could leave the scenery and work with the other guys.

Whatever. I think, Monk's book is the closest to the truth story we can get.

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[Nickdfresh]

He may have the popup version... :)

Or the coloring book:
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[Nickdfresh]

I would blame the cocaine. Or the booze....

I get the feeling Noel partaked in all that, but probably a lot less than the band did...


...Then ... and maybe this is where Noel is confused by events ... before Dave put together the band that recorded EEAS, he was already working on the soundtrack to the film that never was, 'Crazy From the Heat', to the extent that he was working with Nile Rodgers on it. I don't know if anything was recorded, but Rodgers was either writing songs / music for it, or was on board to do that, and this all was before the split with VH.

Beers!

Noel clearly never mentions EEAS...

[Terry]

Doubtless it's possible Monk misstated a few details trying to reconstruct from memories thirty + years ago.

I think VHscaps makes a lot of valid points regarding what can often just be put down to sloppy editing and fact-checking/research in terms of factual discrepancies. None of which necessarily invalidates the essence of what Monk said: the formula of "Monk misstated one fact thus everything else he said is immediately suspect" seems a bit over the top.

Like Nickd, I too get the feeling that Monk did some partying during his days managing the band - who wouldn't - but tend to doubt he was fucked up to the point where he couldn't function therefore is unreliable as a source of information.

I mean, doubtless if you had extensive interviews with the members of CVH about the CVH period and instances Monk addressed, you would obviously come away with multiple takes or impressions about what went on. After so much time has passed, people forget things, or remember things differently from how they may have happened...sometimes in both minor and major ways.

While Monk may have gotten a few facts wrong here and there, I don't get the sense that Monk was inventing stories from whole cloth, as it were. His account comes across as truthful.

[Seshmeister]

Then ... and maybe this is where Noel is confused by events ... before Dave put together the band that recorded EEAS, he was already working on the soundtrack to the film that never was, 'Crazy From the Heat', to the extent that he was working with Nile Rodgers on it. I don't know if anything was recorded, but Rodgers was either writing songs / music for it, or was on board to do that, and this all was before the split with VH.




Was Goin Crazy not written for the movie? That may be a false memory on my part but it does seem to fit the script but Vai has a writing credit so maybe not?

[Nitro Express]

I forgot to wish Sam and Mike a happy Pride Day. I'm sure they enjoyed themselves covered in rainbow color glitter and oil and probably had a Tinky Winky doll on the bed just for ambience. When Mike cried and told Sam not to pump so hard fast, Sam just said I can't drive 55.

[Vinnie Velvet]

Was Goin Crazy not written for the movie? That may be a false memory on my part but it does seem to fit the script but Vai has a writing credit so maybe not?

Actually much of what became EEAS was supposed to be for Dave's movie.

Not necessarily the music - because Dave didn't assemble the EEAS band until much later (as he was still in VH). But the themes, lyrical content and some melodies, yes.