So it's Vegas again...

[DavidLeeNatra]

Check his Twitter account!

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[Vinnie Velvet]

Well I think its safe to say no VH.

Guess that meeting with the Van Halens didn't go so well.

OR....if Ed isn't well - understandable.

If he is....god I hope this doesn't mean Van Hagar again.

[Vinnie Velvet]

Dave has Vegas dates booked for January and March 2020.

VH could still get something together for summer 2020.

Or maybe VH is just done.

I don't know.

[Carmine]

There is a pre sale ticket link for Van Halen club members...so, there's that. ��*♂️

[Baby's On Fire]

He's gonna make a Goddamn fool of himself. His podcast about this......the guy is fucking delusional. He still thinks he's a star. Does he not realize he cannot sing worth shit anymore? And he looks like a flaming faggot with the queer moves.

This guy is on a different planet. He needs to just retire. He thinks he is still the man...…….

[Southpaw]

Dave in Vegas? Fuckin A! Why not? Pencil me in for March 27!!

[DavidLeeNatra]

Well I think its safe to say no VH.

Guess that meeting with the Van Halens didn't go so well.

OR....if Ed isn't well - understandable.

If he is....god I hope this doesn't mean Van Hagar again.At least he is doing SOMETHING!

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[moose]

It's fucking 8 show's
holy crap let the guy do what he enjoys doing and at least he is trying to keep himself relevant so fucking what if he's "ecentric" or odd like Natra said at least he is doing something sheesh!
And this little Vegas stint hardly puts a dent in his schedule or anything that he or the Van Halen's have brewing which can be a possible tour or an EEAS reunion.

Bravo to Dave!!

[Terry]

He's gonna make a Goddamn fool of himself. His podcast about this......the guy is fucking delusional. He still thinks he's a star. Does he not realize he cannot sing worth shit anymore? And he looks like a flaming faggot with the queer moves.

This guy is on a different planet. He needs to just retire. He thinks he is still the man...…….

Mmm...I mean, I thought his most recent online/podcast series of interviews was...a bit eye-rolling.

Thought that live gig he did fairly recently at that benefit show was mildly embarrassing.

If he rehearses and does a full-on blues rock with a brass section, he should be able to turn in a series of performances that are decent. It's a series of Vegas gigs as a solo showcase, so nobody should be expecting Van Halen or EEAS-caliber level performances.

Far as his singing goes, yeah, he's not a fraction of what he used to be, and I've made more than a few allowances for the guy live since 1999 (lowering the bar for what I deemed acceptable with each subsequent live undertaking he did post-DLR Band album release).

But, really, at this point what the fuck else is Dave gonna do? He apparently wants to work and DO SOMETHING. What else other than what he has always done? He's probably gonna keep going until people stop paying money and coming to see him. Long as people are willing, why shouldn't he? It's not compulsory that one attends one of his gigs. It's not mandatory that one goes to see Van Halen Mach 4 if they tour again if what the band is doing isn't cutting it for you.

I get that as a fan of him when he was in his prime, comparing that to today the impulse is to say he should retire, Approaching 50, I can tell you that I'm gonna keep doing what I'm doing for a living until I can't do it anymore. Even if I hit the lotto tomorrow, I'd want to have a reason to get up every day other than to count my money. I suspect that's where Dave's coming from...although maybe his cuckoo ISN'T in the clock and he DOES still think he's every bit as good as he was in 1984...or 1996...or 2008...

[Baby's On Fire]

It's those faggotty moves he makes. He looks like a fucking liberal soy boy.

And his delusion that anyone even knows who he is. He thinks he's still a rock god. It's just embarrassing.

I love mature Dave. I loved Diamond Dave. But Diamond Dave left the building after 1992.

[twonabomber]

The big question: who's in the band?

[Seshmeister]

I guess it's probably the three guys shown on his website.

https://davidleeroth.com/

[Jetstream]

I like Dave, hence I still check this site, but can someone just stop him from yelping his way down the proverbial respect ladder on this one. I want the freaking John 5 LP. Dave seems to still be able to deliver a studio project but this rehashing of old stories and phrases while he yelps in straining octaves without at least the nostalgia of the warped brothers V on stage does not help him. I saw his podcast where he brings up Tom Jones and attempts to offer his Sir Jones vocals and it was well, show some respect by not giving respect with where your vocals are now. Dave is like some child now who is listening to his self adoring parents (the people who still think he is the shit from his podcast) and believes them when they say he sounds great going into cringe worthy octaves which he never would have consider doing when he was in his prime. I guess Dave really does not have any real friends because he actually just might be all about himself, because real friends are people you respect and believe if they would say, "dude, stop singing like that because it sounds crapalicious"

[Seshmeister]

PRESALE Tickets are now on sale.

https://www.ticketmaster.com/artist/736010?venueId=188737

Use the password DLRROCKSVEGAS

Tickets start around $64. The capacity of the House of Blues is around 2500 so 8 shows = 1 arena show especially when you include people going to more than one plus casino comps and so on so I would expect this to sell out quite quickly.

[Terry]

I like Dave, hence I still check this site, but can someone just stop him from yelping his way down the proverbial respect ladder on this one. I want the freaking John 5 LP. Dave seems to still be able to deliver a studio project but this rehashing of old stories and phrases while he yelps in straining octaves without at least the nostalgia of the warped brothers V on stage does not help him. I saw his podcast where he brings up Tom Jones and attempts to offer his Sir Jones vocals and it was well, show some respect by not giving respect with where your vocals are now. Dave is like some child now who is listening to his self adoring parents (the people who still think he is the shit from his podcast) and believes them when they say he sounds great going into cringe worthy octaves which he never would have consider doing when he was in his prime. I guess Dave really does not have any real friends because he actually just might be all about himself, because real friends are people you respect and believe if they would say, "dude, stop singing like that because it sounds crapalicious"

Either nobody with any influence on him has spoken frankly to him about the state of his live vocal approach, or possibly he wouldn't listen anyway, but clearly he could sound a lot better with a lot less effort and strain by merely singing.

[Baby's On Fire]

I guess it's probably the three guys shown on his website.

https://davidleeroth.com/


That is so embarrassing. Those are the faggotty moves I'm talking about.

David Liberace.

Fuck that is embarrassing to watch.

[twonabomber]

The capacity of the House of Blues is around 2500 so 8 shows = 1 arena show especially when you include people going to more than one plus casino comps and so on so I would expect this to sell out quite quickly.

I'd bet the run gets extended if the initial dates sell well and the sisters decide not to do anything for another year.

[Seshmeister]

That is so embarrassing. Those are the faggotty moves I'm talking about.

David Liberace.

Fuck that is embarrassing to watch.

Rhythmic gymnastics in assless chaps never struck you as being a little bit camp back in the day? :D

https://i529.photobucket.com/albums/dd331/kennyohiohunter/david-lee-roth-assless-chaps.jpg

It's weird how the caveman mind works...are you sure you are only 48?

[Vinnie Velvet]

The thing people don't realize or don't want to face reality with - is that Dave got old.

And despite being in great shape for his age (that high kick in the trailer was something else from someone in his 60s) - he can't do what he did from years past (split legged leap off the drum riser for instance).

And another signature thing from Dave that is gone now is...….his hair.

So with those things no more he has to reinvent himself and does so with the dance moves, etc.
And a buzz cut hairstyle.

Dave has never been your typical rock frontman. Never was. People should no this the minute he put out Crazy from the Heat.

[Terry]

I guess it's probably the three guys shown on his website.

https://davidleeroth.com/

Yep, there's 'dem Funky Chicken dance moves...

Heard that this House Of Blues Vegas residency is going to be heavy on the CVH stuff, which...well, if Dave is having trouble cutting the mustard live re: the CVH material even when playing with the Van Halens, I'm not sure performing with an Eddie clone is going to make the result any better even if said clone nails Eddie's licks down to the atom.

The one thing for sure is that in a venue that small, along with the immediacy of seeing Roth and the band up close, every nuance is going to be right up front center stage and easy for the audience to discern, for good OR bad.

[Baby's On Fire]

Rhythmic gymnastics in assless chaps never struck you as being a little bit camp back in the day? :D

https://i529.photobucket.com/albums/dd331/kennyohiohunter/david-lee-roth-assless-chaps.jpg

It's weird how the caveman mind works...are you sure you are only 48?


I'm certainly not a Scottish alcoholic who can't form any opinion until he Googles it and needs to be told what to think and do.

And when I say Scottish, I mean so-called men who wear skirts and think they're actually men. Not to mention the socks......You should hook up with Trudeau and share your collection of rainbow socks.

That must be the liberal in you. 35 genders, with one of them being Scottish (certainly not men).

Posting pictures of Dave's ass.....

[Seshmeister]

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/SorrowfulFatalKingsnake-size_restricted.gif

[twonabomber]

DJ on Sirius Ozzy's Boneyard says "people are saying Eddie might show up, or it could be the Eat Em' And Smile band backing Dave..." and I'm thinking no one that knows anything about this band thinks Ed is going to show up.

[Seshmeister]

Promo


https://youtu.be/ZDiSVS7G1H0

[twonabomber]

VHND interview

https://www.vhnd.com/2019/09/12/i-am-las-vegas-david-lee-roth-discusses-residency-in-exclusive-vhnd-interview/?fbclid=IwAR2mIgcBLNqX2HVcVV0PihS50Mhw9syOQiHgzlwA HJKsw6YOBTnlvjvcVqE

[DavidLeeNatra]

And now the question of all questions:which of you motherfuckers will be there. We're planning a trip from Berlin/Germany to see Dave and Aerosmith on one weekend. Lets see if we can get it done

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[Jérôme Frenchise]

17147

It seems there is no Van Halen time onward anymore.

[Nitro Express]

He's gonna make a Goddamn fool of himself. His podcast about this......the guy is fucking delusional. He still thinks he's a star. Does he not realize he cannot sing worth shit anymore? And he looks like a flaming faggot with the queer moves.

This guy is on a different planet. He needs to just retire. He thinks he is still the man...…….

I go to Vegas all the time. I might just go see the train wreck.

[Nitro Express]

PRESALE Tickets are now on sale.

https://www.ticketmaster.com/artist/736010?venueId=188737

Use the password DLRROCKSVEGAS

Tickets start around $64. The capacity of the House of Blues is around 2500 so 8 shows = 1 arena show especially when you include people going to more than one plus casino comps and so on so I would expect this to sell out quite quickly.

I wonder if Dave is going to grab a bottle of his skin care lotion and squirt it all over the front row from his crotch. I guess $64 is worth seeing old man Roth go crazy. Not much different than watching Joe Biden try and campaign.

[ZahZoo]

17147

It seems there is no Van Halen time onward anymore.

The answer to the question isn't much but it says a lot...

4 years of down time wasn't doing Dave any damn good and he's running out of time. Dave's motivated and still feels capable to get out and perform. Good for him!!

The Van Halens don't have it in em... probably time to start drafting eulogies, tribute shows and making sure their trusts and wills are in order. May they RIP...

Always figured Dave would return to Vegas... it's one of the few places on the planet where his shit is a guaranteed sell. They'll fill the seats every night for this run as there's plenty of fans willing to drop less than $100 to see the Toastmaster General.

The performances will most likely fall somewhere near but not quite as good as the pre-reunion DLR Band gigs from a musical perspective. The cheesy showmanship will be there along with some well paid, scantily dressed eye-candy props. And...

Dave will Yelp the Night Away™...

[Jérôme Frenchise]

The answer to the question isn't much but it says a lot...

4 years of down time wasn't doing Dave any damn good and he's running out of time. Dave's motivated and still feels capable to get out and perform. Good for him!!

The Van Halens don't have it in em... probably time to start drafting eulogies, tribute shows and making sure their trusts and wills are in order. May they RIP...

Always figured Dave would return to Vegas... it's one of the few places on the planet where his shit is a guaranteed sell. They'll fill the seats every night for this run as there's plenty of fans willing to drop less than $100 to see the Toastmaster General.

The performances will most likely fall somewhere near but not quite as good as the pre-reunion DLR Band gigs from a musical perspective. The cheesy showmanship will be there along with some well paid, scantily dressed eye-candy props. And...

Dave will Yelp the Night Away™...

Yeeeeelp, yeeeelp, yeeelp the night awaaaaaaay... :biggrin:

[Seshmeister]

Live music economics continue to puzzle me. Why is it half the price to seem him much closer up than at an arena. Ok the VIP tickets aren't that cheap but at least you are sitting at a table at the front with a bottle of anything. How much cooler is that than any seat in an arena?

[Seshmeister]

Always figured Dave would return to Vegas... it's one of the few places on the planet where his shit is a guaranteed sell. They'll fill the seats every night for this run as there's plenty of fans willing to drop less than $100 to see the Toastmaster General.

The performances will most likely fall somewhere near but not quite as good as the pre-reunion DLR Band gigs from a musical perspective. The cheesy showmanship will be there along with some well paid, scantily dressed eye-candy props. And...


$63 for a show in Vegas is not expensive - a magic show costs more.

As far as the show goes I think you will be right. It's going to be less of a band than the DLR Band and it will almost certainly suffer from no Ray Luzier plus Dave is older now. I just realized the last time I saw him solo was 15 years ago which is a weird thought...

[So this is love]

Live music economics continue to puzzle me. Why is it half the price to seem him much closer up than at an arena. Ok the VIP tickets aren't that cheap but at least you are sitting at a table at the front with a bottle of anything. How much cooler is that than any seat in an arena?

Supply and demand. For fans of DLR, it is cheap but for everyone else it is not worth it. If Eddie was there than the venue would be different no doubt the T-mobile or MGM arena.

[ZahZoo]

Live music economics continue to puzzle me. Why is it half the price to seem him much closer up than at an arena. Ok the VIP tickets aren't that cheap but at least you are sitting at a table at the front with a bottle of anything. How much cooler is that than any seat in an arena?

I saw Def Leppard at their residency at the Hard Rock Casino a few years ago... had the mid-priced seats in the balcony and it was great viewing and sound.

The venue more than makes their money and way above the ticket price. Once you get drinks and if you spend any time gambling or partying before the show you'll drop a couple hundred easy.

[Terry]

I think, like ZahZoo says, it'll be a good venue to see him in. No bad seats per se, and the sound quality will be much better than any you could find at a large basketball/hockey arena.

[Terry]

It also shouldn't be hard to find a guitarist who can replicate Eddie's licks, and a rhythm section who can replicate the 20-odd CVH tunes Roth will probably play.

[Terry]

In the end, it'll be what Roth does - or is no longer able to do - that'll make the difference at these shows in terms of it being any good or not.

As Sesh says, a $100 these days isn't unreasonable for a ticket price. For ANY band. It's just the going rate for seeing performers these days. Baseline price might be $45, but after you throw in the "ticket handling fee" or "purchasing fee" or "venue surcharge" or whatever miscellaneous extra is thrown on, it ends up being nearly $100 anyway. Even to see a band like Foreigner, even on a night Mick Jones doesn't play with them, or a Steve Perryless Journey.

[Terry]

Live music economics continue to puzzle me. Why is it half the price to seem him much closer up than at an arena. Ok the VIP tickets aren't that cheap but at least you are sitting at a table at the front with a bottle of anything. How much cooler is that than any seat in an arena?

For me, seeing an act in an arena vs. a smaller venue comes down to the live sound.

Honestly, the only 2 acts I've seen in the last decade at our local 20,000 seat basketball/hockey arena that really sounded any good - and this includes seeing Van Halen there twice in that time frame - were Neil Diamond and Billy Joel. Wasn't a surprise to find out later that both of those guys have had their own live sound engineers and own equipment that they have been using for twenty years.

I tend to doubt Van Halen circa 1999 onward have employed their own live sound engineers in terms of using the same one for every tour, or have their own top-to-bottom live sound system and aren't using the house P.A. to provide the majority of the live sound. If they have been, they should reconsider, because neither of the Tampa gigs in 2008 and 2012 sounded particularly good. Not the worst I've ever heard, but not really great, either.

[Baby's On Fire]

I'm surprised at the lack of comments about Dave's comments on the lack of Van Halen future and Eddie's health.

Dave's statements are obvious with respect to the future of VH, but not the reason.

They are retired, and done. Face it.

I hate FB, but I did see a post an hour ago about Kody Van Halen's FB page. Normally I wouldn't even look. But there is clearly medical equipment (possibly an IV) in the background, and it is EVH playing with the dog according to the post.

[Nitro Express]

The answer to the question isn't much but it says a lot...

4 years of down time wasn't doing Dave any damn good and he's running out of time. Dave's motivated and still feels capable to get out and perform. Good for him!!

The Van Halens don't have it in em... probably time to start drafting eulogies, tribute shows and making sure their trusts and wills are in order. May they RIP...

Always figured Dave would return to Vegas... it's one of the few places on the planet where his shit is a guaranteed sell. They'll fill the seats every night for this run as there's plenty of fans willing to drop less than $100 to see the Toastmaster General.

The performances will most likely fall somewhere near but not quite as good as the pre-reunion DLR Band gigs from a musical perspective. The cheesy showmanship will be there along with some well paid, scantily dressed eye-candy props. And...

Dave will Yelp the Night Away™...

After steak and martinis at Oscar’s I will head to the Hard Rock to watch Dave yelp.

[Nitro Express]

For me, seeing an act in an arena vs. a smaller venue comes down to the live sound.

Honestly, the only 2 acts I've seen in the last decade at our local 20,000 seat basketball/hockey arena that really sounded any good - and this includes seeing Van Halen there twice in that time frame - were Neil Diamond and Billy Joel. Wasn't a surprise to find out later that both of those guys have had their own live sound engineers and own equipment that they have been using for twenty years.

I tend to doubt Van Halen circa 1999 onward have employed their own live sound engineers in terms of using the same one for every tour, or have their own top-to-bottom live sound system and aren't using the house P.A. to provide the majority of the live sound. If they have been, they should reconsider, because neither of the Tampa gigs in 2008 and 2012 sounded particularly good. Not the worst I've ever heard, but not really great, either.


Ha! We saw Morris Day and The Time in a small venue and the whole place broke out into a party. People were dancing in the isles and shit. Morris was working the room. It was fun as hell.

[Nitro Express]

I saw Def Leppard at their residency at the Hard Rock Casino a few years ago... had the mid-priced seats in the balcony and it was great viewing and sound.

The venue more than makes their money and way above the ticket price. Once you get drinks and if you spend any time gambling or partying before the show you'll drop a couple hundred easy.


Saw Def Leppard at a state fair. They were good. Yup. Dave will draw in plenty of 50 and 60 somethings. They will drop plenty of dough at the bar, tables and slots. The shows are just something to get people into the casino. It’s like putting the milk at the back of the store. They know you will drop more money down if they just can get you in.

[Jérôme Frenchise]

I'm surprised at the lack of comments about Dave's comments on the lack of Van Halen future and Eddie's health.

Dave's statements are obvious with respect to the future of VH, but not the reason.

They are retired, and done. Face it.

I hate FB, but I did see a post an hour ago about Kody Van Halen's FB page. Normally I wouldn't even look. But there is clearly medical equipment (possibly an IV) in the background, and it is EVH playing with the dog according to the post.

You're right. I've just checked, looks a lot like drip equipment.

[ZahZoo]

There's speculation of rumored health issues involving Edward in the media and the few remaining fans sites... As usual, it's just speculation without any facts to support it.

Frankly, that's fine... any person's health issues are their own private business even for famous rock musicians. I respect his privacy, wish him well and hope others would do the same.

[Seshmeister]

I saw Def Leppard at their residency at the Hard Rock Casino a few years ago... had the mid-priced seats in the balcony and it was great viewing and sound.



With Def Leppard that just means the venue has a good MP3 player plugged into the PA...

[Seshmeister]

Although to be fair he’s good at lip syncing just occasionally forgets like at 2:23 here.


https://youtu.be/EQXti2zS1rg

[Seshmeister]

Supply and demand. For fans of DLR, it is cheap but for everyone else it is not worth it. If Eddie was there than the venue would be different no doubt the T-mobile or MGM arena.

Not really. 8 shows to 2000 people at $60. Why if you do 1 show to 16 000 do you need to charge twice as much for tickets? I get the casino thing but the MGM grand is a casino and it’s the same in cities without casinos in any case.

In fact it’s so universal there must actually be a real reason about costs. It’s just a real gripe for me especially when you have to start paying for kids too. 😝

[ZahZoo]

With Def Leppard that just means the venue has a good MP3 player plugged into the PA...

They had some top of the line multi-track gear for sure!! LOL They did play a few of their deep cuts from pre-Pyromania pre-Mutt without all the extra crap.

I miss Steamin Steve in that band and Allen's left arm...

[Terry]

There's speculation of rumored health issues involving Edward in the media and the few remaining fans sites... As usual, it's just speculation without any facts to support it.

Frankly, that's fine... any person's health issues are their own private business even for famous rock musicians. I respect his privacy, wish him well and hope others would do the same.

Eddie has health issues. This has been in the public domain, at least in terms of their existence, since...what? 1996?

He's not a young man. The issues that have been in the public domain - that Eddie has commented on - include conditions that can be managed but aren't necessarily conquerable regardless of how much money one can throw at them. More along the lines of treatable than conquerable.

Seemingly, for at least the last decade, Ed has taken reasonably good care of himself.

It wouldn't be a shock if some of these medical issues are as such at the moment (or the last few years) where Ed can't play as well as he might want to. Or maybe the guy is just old and tired and doesn't want to tour at the moment. I mean, at least for myself, Eddie Van Halen has nothing left to prove in terms of cementing his legend and establishing the range of influence he had on rock guitar.

If the guy wants to stop touring, that's more than fine by me. Don't personally need to see him play the CVH stuff live again: for what purpose at this point? So I can hear him do Eruption and leave the arena saying "Eddie's still got it"? One would hope after 40 years of playing the thing that he has it down by now anyway, right?

[Terry]

Don't know as there's much left FOR Van Halen to do at this point.

Be nice if Mike Anthony could rejoin, the CVH unit could put together an album of new material and take that out on the road.

Given what the band has been able to accomplish in the last 12 years since Roth rejoined - and the inactivity of the last 4 of those 12 years - the scenario above 99.9999999999999999999% isn't going to come to pass, for whatever variety of reasons.

[Terry]

With Def Leppard that just means the venue has a good MP3 player plugged into the PA...

Even far back as ten years ago last time I saw 'em live, they were using nearly (if not half) as much pre-recorded / "non-live" sound augmentation as they were actually generating the sounds themselves. It was only noticeable because it was so egregious. Like, say, being able to hear 4 different guitar parts when you only had two guitar players onstage. Or, hearing four or more different backing vocals on a chorus when only Savage and Joe were visibly singing into microphones. It stuck out as such because back then that was really the first instance of my having seen a band so blatantly "enhance" their live sound: doubtless other bands I had seen prior had done so to some degree, but with Leppard it was like they couldn't even be bothered to try hiding it.

I tend to suspect that the Heaven And Hell gig I saw in 2007 had a bit of that going on as well. Either that or Ronnie, Geezer, Tony and Vinnie were just shit-hot spot-on, because that gig sounded...just a bit TOO flawless.

I'd like to think it was the latter with those guys (I mean, would anyone be letdown to find out Leppard was faking it as opposed to RJD and the Sabs?).

[Nickdfresh]

Although to be fair he’s good at lip syncing just occasionally forgets like at 2:23 here.


https://youtu.be/EQXti2zS1rg

Yes I do!

[Seshmeister]

I miss Steamin Steve in that band and Allen's left arm...

It just occurred to me that 'Allen's left arm' would be a fucking great name for a Def Leppard Tribute Act... :D

[Seshmeister]

I'd like to think it was the latter with those guys (I mean, would anyone be letdown to find out Leppard was faking it as opposed to RJD and the Sabs?).

I'm pretty sure RJD faked his last tour... :D

Maybe it's because I'm old but it just totally ruins gigs for me. I'm just about ok with offstage keyboards or effects as long as they are played live. Anything to do with vocals, drums or especially guitars on tape completely ruins a show for me.

Which if I can shoehorn this back on topic after I derailed it, is to me a really cool thing that Van Halen did on the ADKOT tour and live album. Ok it's a shame about some of vocal choices by Dave but name some other bands that have brought out an album that was actually 4 or 5 people playing live in recent times? I never hear anyone talk about the 10 or more really good versions on the Tokyo album.

The best live act I have seen in the last few years(or longer) was the Foo Fighters this summer. Going in I was wondering jeez 3 guitarists and a keyboard player onstage seems a bit much. Then it occurred to me if that's what it takes to do their songs properly live without cheating then great. Would you want to go and see a Beethoven symphony where 7 people mime along to a tape or a 90 piece orchestra play the fucking thing?

Now posting that I'm anxious someone is going to show me they are fake too...

[twonabomber]

For me, seeing an act in an arena vs. a smaller venue comes down to the live sound.


One of the best VH shows I've seen was Dave at the HOB Cleveland. 15 feet or so from the stage, Brian and Toshi on guitar...

Never seen this one! He must have been slightly to the left of us


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CDe2DPjXYsg

[Nitro Express]

There's speculation of rumored health issues involving Edward in the media and the few remaining fans sites... As usual, it's just speculation without any facts to support it.

Frankly, that's fine... any person's health issues are their own private business even for famous rock musicians. I respect his privacy, wish him well and hope others would do the same.

The man lived hard. How many cigarettes and joints got sucked into those lungs? How much cocaine went up that nose? How many gallons of liquor did that liver have tp process? Not to mention probably a poor diet to boot. I don't think EVH was into eating vegetables. All this takes it's toll.

I've seen plenty of people on their death beds. When they get the bad news or go on hospice the last thing they think about is the career. It's all about family at that point. Is the surviving spouse and kids going to be taken care of? A lot of reflection on what kind life you lived and typically a lot of guilt over not being a good parent or spouse sets in and a last minute effort to resolve past sins is made. In short it gets real and things that were neglected due to work and hobbies tend to become more important.

If Eddie is at that point in life, believe me; the last thing on his mind is the band and going out on tour.

[Nitro Express]

I'm pretty sure RJD faked his last tour... :D

Maybe it's because I'm old but it just totally ruins gigs for me. I'm just about ok with offstage keyboards or effects as long as they are played live. Anything to do with vocals, drums or especially guitars on tape completely ruins a show for me.

Which if I can shoehorn this back on topic after I derailed it, is to me a really cool thing that Van Halen did on the ADKOT tour and live album. Ok it's a shame about some of vocal choices by Dave but name some other bands that have brought out an album that was actually 4 or 5 people playing live in recent times? I never hear anyone talk about the 10 or more really good versions on the Tokyo album.

The best live act I have seen in the last few years(or longer) was the Foo Fighters this summer. Going in I was wondering jeez 3 guitarists and a keyboard player onstage seems a bit much. Then it occurred to me if that's what it takes to do their songs properly live without cheating then great. Would you want to go and see a Beethoven symphony where 7 people mime along to a tape or a 90 piece orchestra play the fucking thing?

Now posting that I'm anxious someone is going to show me they are fake too...

Saw Rush before they hung it up and saw Cheap Trick. No fakes in those bands. Both delivered the goods quite nicely.

[Nitro Express]

You're right. I've just checked, looks a lot like drip equipment.

Dr. Feel Good! Ok Ed. You are going to feel a little prick but when we turn the juice on you will be feeling better than 100 virgins taking turns blowing you!

[speedtruckermf]

And now the question of all questions:which of you motherfuckers will be there. We're planning a trip from Berlin/Germany to see Dave and Aerosmith on one weekend. Lets see if we can get it done

Gesendet von meinem SM-G955F mit Tapatalk

I got tickets for opening night.

[Seshmeister]

And now the question of all questions:which of you motherfuckers will be there. We're planning a trip from Berlin/Germany to see Dave and Aerosmith on one weekend. Lets see if we can get it done



I'm not sure at the moment - the ticket price is a no brainer my problem is the flights and everything else with the shitty exchange rate because of stupid politics.

[Terry]

One of the best VH shows I've seen was Dave at the HOB Cleveland. 15 feet or so from the stage, Brian and Toshi on guitar...

Never seen this one! He must have been slightly to the left of us


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CDe2DPjXYsg

That clip you posted was right around the same date that I saw Roth in Orlando in 2006, with Brian and Toshi both on guitar.

GREAT solo gig. Point of fact, I enjoyed that gig even more than seeing Roth open for Bad Company when he was promoting the DLR Band album (of which he played Slam Dunk, and that was it off that album), or the Sam and Dave tour or the outdoor Ribfest Roth gig I saw in 2005 in St. Pete (which also featured Brian and Toshi on guitar). Orlando 2006 was easily the most enjoyable post-1996 debacle Roth solo show I saw.

[Terry]

I'm pretty sure RJD faked his last tour... :D

Maybe it's because I'm old but it just totally ruins gigs for me. I'm just about ok with offstage keyboards or effects as long as they are played live. Anything to do with vocals, drums or especially guitars on tape completely ruins a show for me.

Which if I can shoehorn this back on topic after I derailed it, is to me a really cool thing that Van Halen did on the ADKOT tour and live album. Ok it's a shame about some of vocal choices by Dave but name some other bands that have brought out an album that was actually 4 or 5 people playing live in recent times? I never hear anyone talk about the 10 or more really good versions on the Tokyo album.

The best live act I have seen in the last few years(or longer) was the Foo Fighters this summer. Going in I was wondering jeez 3 guitarists and a keyboard player onstage seems a bit much. Then it occurred to me if that's what it takes to do their songs properly live without cheating then great. Would you want to go and see a Beethoven symphony where 7 people mime along to a tape or a 90 piece orchestra play the fucking thing?

Now posting that I'm anxious someone is going to show me they are fake too...

One can't say that the Tokyo Dome album suffered from any post-performance retouching/studio dubbing: VERY warts-and-all.

Vocals were rough, but as you say, at least you know you're listening to what was played that night.

I'd tend to doubt the Foos fake it. I'm hardly a diehard Foo fan, but even so I'll readily admit those guys are the real deal.

Feel the same way in terms of live vs. pre-recorded "augmentation": if a band can't generate a decent live sound with the musicians they have ontage, at least have the fortitude to flat-out admit it. Otherwise, it's a false pretense, and "everyone else is doing it" doesn't cut it with me.

I get WHY these older rock acts have been doing it. Playing tunes live that they were able to 30 years ago without audio assistance is probably tough work for dudes in their 50s, 60s and beyond. For me, if they can't do it anymore, they aren't getting my money by miming half or better of what is coming through the P.A. ESPECIALLY (as you said) where the core instrumentation (drums/bass/guitar) and vocals (lead AND backing) are concerned. If it comes to that, I just won't bother attending...I'd rather not see a band I have liked for decades faking it because they got old, can't cut it live anymore yet still need to sell tickets at $100 a pop to maintain their lifestyles. Get somebody else's ticket money. It's not like there's a shortage of people willing to compromise and listen to pre-taped performances, or they just don't care one way or the other: let THEM keep these rock geezers in style.

Really aren't any aging acts left out there that I still feel I HAVE to see to the point where I'll tolerate faux-miming, anyway.

[twonabomber]

That clip you posted was right around the same date that I saw Roth in Orlando in 2006, with Brian and Toshi both on guitar.

GREAT solo gig. Point of fact, I enjoyed that gig even more than seeing Roth open for Bad Company when he was promoting the DLR Band album (of which he played Slam Dunk, and that was it off that album), or the Sam and Dave tour or the outdoor Ribfest Roth gig I saw in 2005 in St. Pete (which also featured Brian and Toshi on guitar). Orlando 2006 was easily the most enjoyable post-1996 debacle Roth solo show I saw.

Tommy, Von, and I saw DLR in Detroit the night before. Carmine, Grimes, and Shoes joined us all for the Sunday show. A great gathering of misfits. Grimes skipped out on his check at Flannery's...

[private parts]

All speculation, but I can see the logic to Trunk's thinking.

https://youtu.be/A-YGqcUZh04

[Nitro Express]

The truth of the matter is most the people who entertained us in our high school and college years are in their 70's and 60's. Most lived their life hard. Probably the guy that should get the "I'm still alive so kiss my ass!" award is Ginger Baker. Crazy Ginger is 80 years old. The reality folks is we are going to get a flood of news reports of rock and roll artists passing away. Also what has killed rock and roll is not that there isn't any talent or any interest. It's because there is no mass medium like radio all the kids listen to. We grew up with the local radio stations and DJ's. They promoted the songs and bands. That's gone. Right now media is fragmented. There isn't the centralized promotion there used to be. Rock and Roll needed radio and that's gone now. What killed rock and roll? The internet did in more ways than one. Now we are wondering if the internet has been an asset or if it's going to morph into a big surveillance that micromanages us. In fact, some are saying the fun days of the internet are gone. Social media killed it.

Maybe the internet will fuck itself to death and we all go offline and get bored and go gee, "That guy can really play that guitar and that guy can really sing and rock and roll grows out of the slime again."

[Nitro Express]

But Dave Roth owes me nothing. He always showed up when I bought a VH ticket. He wrote some great lyrics and inspired some great songs and videos. Dave came around at the right time. He's the toast master general of my high school years and after I graduated high school the band fell apart. 1984 was the end of high school for me and the end of Van Halen.

[Baby's On Fire]

But Dave Roth owes me nothing. He always showed up when I bought a VH ticket. He wrote some great lyrics and inspired some great songs and videos. Dave came around at the right time. He's the toast master general of my high school years and after I graduated high school the band fell apart. 1984 was the end of high school for me and the end of Van Halen.

I agree. But someone needs to tell Dave. He isn't aware. He thinks he's still Diamond Dave. He's not. He's become Liberace.

If he would just act normal, he would still fascinate me. This mile-a-second gibberish is unlistenable. It's not entertaining It's not intellectual.

He is trying to be something he is not.

The best interview I ever saw or heard from Dave post-VH was on Joe Rogan, around 2014 or 2015 He was wearing his overalls and cap. Acting like a real, normal person.

That is the DLR I want to see. I want to hear about his travels. Things that happened in the jungle and Himalayas, etc. His exercise habits, which apparently used to be hardcore. He has always avoided talking about things like that.

Kayaking stories in Cambodia (where I believe he went in 1997 or so).

On and on. Real David Roth.

No more with the fucking fake schtick and sparkly purple-fucking-jackets.

Dave has always been his own worst enemy. He refuses to see himself as how he really is and perceived.

Anyway…..VH is over. And I don't care because it ended in 1984 as you said.

[DONNIEP]

I’m a little behind the curve because I’m not online much anymore. Although this evening I did see Dave’s “”Rocks Las Vegas” video in my feed this afternoon. So...after playing an hour of Classic Donkey Kong on my full size arcade game, which also has 59 other games I absolutely suck at, I listened to the latest Roth Show (maybe latest? I don’t know).

I was alternately excited and disappointed. Kinda like my relationship with my last girlfriend. I was bored out of my mind most of the time but still hoping for some magic. I would say “at least Dave’s doing something, anything.” But...i’ll Wait for the “it’s youtube” videos where everybody makes excuses. Or maybe i’ll Be surprised. Not like that chick shows up on a Friday nite surprised. Maybe Dave really has worked on his shit. That’s what I’m hoping for.

[Baby's On Fire]

I’m a little behind the curve because I’m not online much anymore. Although this evening I did see Dave’s “”Rocks Las Vegas” video in my feed this afternoon. So...after playing an hour of Classic Donkey Kong on my full size arcade game, which also has 59 other games I absolutely suck at, I listened to the latest Roth Show (maybe latest? I don’t know).

I was alternately excited and disappointed. Kinda like my relationship with my last girlfriend. I was bored out of my mind most of the time but still hoping for some magic. I would say “at least Dave’s doing something, anything.” But...i’ll Wait for the “it’s youtube” videos where everybody makes excuses. Or maybe i’ll Be surprised. Not like that chick shows up on a Friday nite surprised. Maybe Dave really has worked on his shit. That’s what I’m hoping for.


He's been working on it since 1995. That's the problem.

Rehearsed, fake bullshit.

I'm Diamond Dave. I am Las Vegas baby. Wooooooooo.

Shut the fuck up Dave. You've become Liberace.

[Nitro Express]

I agree. But someone needs to tell Dave. He isn't aware. He thinks he's still Diamond Dave. He's not. He's become Liberace.

If he would just act normal, he would still fascinate me. This mile-a-second gibberish is unlistenable. It's not entertaining It's not intellectual.

He is trying to be something he is not.

The best interview I ever saw or heard from Dave post-VH was on Joe Rogan, around 2014 or 2015 He was wearing his overalls and cap. Acting like a real, normal person.

That is the DLR I want to see. I want to hear about his travels. Things that happened in the jungle and Himalayas, etc. His exercise habits, which apparently used to be hardcore. He has always avoided talking about things like that.

Kayaking stories in Cambodia (where I believe he went in 1997 or so).

On and on. Real David Roth.

No more with the fucking fake schtick and sparkly purple-fucking-jackets.

Dave has always been his own worst enemy. He refuses to see himself as how he really is and perceived.

Anyway…..VH is over. And I don't care because it ended in 1984 as you said.

He’s heading into crazy old man territory. He’s going to be hell on wheels at the assisted living home. Dave will dance around with no shirt on and press up against the ladies and say,”Is that a microphone in my pants or am I just happy to see you?”

[Nitro Express]

I’m a little behind the curve because I’m not online much anymore. Although this evening I did see Dave’s “”Rocks Las Vegas” video in my feed this afternoon. So...after playing an hour of Classic Donkey Kong on my full size arcade game, which also has 59 other games I absolutely suck at, I listened to the latest Roth Show (maybe latest? I don’t know).

I was alternately excited and disappointed. Kinda like my relationship with my last girlfriend. I was bored out of my mind most of the time but still hoping for some magic. I would say “at least Dave’s doing something, anything.” But...i’ll Wait for the “it’s youtube” videos where everybody makes excuses. Or maybe i’ll Be surprised. Not like that chick shows up on a Friday nite surprised. Maybe Dave really has worked on his shit. That’s what I’m hoping for.

I’m going to have enough drinks in me that Dave singing out of key while jacking off his junk to the 60 year old ladies with saggy tits in the front row will seem like it was worth the $64.

[Fairwrning]

Best Roth interview imo....


https://youtu.be/UX28IyKPzH8

[Terry]

Tommy, Von, and I saw DLR in Detroit the night before. Carmine, Grimes, and Shoes joined us all for the Sunday show. A great gathering of misfits. Grimes skipped out on his check at Flannery's...

Without having met any of them in person, all of that sounds about right!

[Terry]

All speculation, but I can see the logic to Trunk's thinking.

https://youtu.be/A-YGqcUZh04

Which Trunk says, several times, in terms of it all being speculation...primarily because (as Trunk also said) the band doesn't address...anything. Outside of the Smithsonian thing, has anybody from the Van Halen camp outside of Dave made a peep since the 2015 tour?

But Trunk also points out that Van Halen has been pretty erratic in the last 25 years far as working anyway, basically since Eddie first started having health issues that were made public in 1996. Then again, who the fuck knows? I get the feeling Roth doesn't even know much about what is going on with the Van Halens anymore.

If Dave wants to play/perform, he should. If the Van Halens don't (or can't), then Roth can always play with other musicians. I don't particularly get the feeling that Roth asked for the Van Halens blessings with this upcoming Vegas stint. It feels more like Roth got tired of doing nothing and hearing nothing, and finally wanted to do something.

I did hear on a terrestrial morning radio show audio excerpts from a recent interview Roth gave where he claimed he "came up with" the guitar solos for RWTD and Jamie's Crying, in terms of...something along the lines of telling Eddie what to play where those songs were concerned...which was the first time I can recall Roth taking claim for what EDDIE was doing where CVH was concerned. And he said he [Roth] had as much right as anybody to go out and play those CVH songs with whomever, because he designed all the album covers, wrote all the lyrics and melodies, etc. etc. All of which were aspects of CVH he claimed authorship of before.

[Terry]

I’m going to have enough drinks in me that Dave singing out of key while jacking off his junk to the 60 year old ladies with saggy tits in the front row will seem like it was worth the $64.

I'd imagine if one attends with expectations tempered, has a few drinks before the show and isn't anticipating too much by way of comparison with what Roth was able to do live in 1984 (or even 2008), it should be a fun night out.

If nothing else, Roth is always good for a laugh and a goof.

[Terry]

He’s heading into crazy old man territory. He’s going to be hell on wheels at the assisted living home. Dave will dance around with no shirt on and press up against the ladies and say,”Is that a microphone in my pants or am I just happy to see you?”

He then turns to the orderly running toward him with the extra-long sleeved 'restraining vest' and says, "Hey, don't be putting no strait jacket on ME, man! I'm gonna take ten Viagra, wait 30 minutes and then try and fuck your girlfriend, pal!"

[Terry]

Wacky Old Uncle Dave then gets forcibly strapped into bed in his single room with the padded walls. The door is slammed shut, and Dave looks up at the ceiling and goes into his It's Showtime! patter to his favorite audience of one...namely himself:

"Hey, heard you missed me. Well, I'm back! Somebody get me a doctor!!! No, really, my bedpan is full and my spandex adult diapers are leaking!!! Look at all the people here tonight!!!! [affects old bluesman singing voice] And the band is pumpin' WOOO And the place is jumpin' WOOO [back to his regular voice] liveinfrontofyournakedsteamingeyesfromtheTrembling HillsRestHomeit'syourToastmasteroftheImmoralMajori tyandMasterofCeremoniestheoneandonlyalltimegreates trockfrontmanDiamondDavidLeeRoth!!!!!!!!!!andnowfo rmynextsongatuneyoumightrememberfrommyfirstfulllen gth1986soloalbumEat'EmAndSmile...two three four HIT IT!!

Goin' Crazy...Goin' Crazy...everybody now...Goin' Crazy'...Goin' Crazy



The meds kick in, Dave passes out safely strapped onto his bed and the other residents go back to playing bingo and watching Matlock.

[Nitro Express]

[QUOTE=Terry;1940633]I'd imagine if one attends with expectations tempered, has a few drinks before the show and isn't anticipating too much by way of comparison with what Roth was able to do live in 1984 (or even 2008), it should be a fun night out.

If nothing else, Roth is always good for a laugh and a goof.[/QUOTE

Dave will have his buddy Charlie Sheen there telling him he’s winning!

[Seshmeister]

I'd imagine if one attends with expectations tempered, has a few drinks before the show and isn't anticipating too much by way of comparison with what Roth was able to do live in 1984 (or even 2008), it should be a fun night out.

If nothing else, Roth is always good for a laugh and a goof.

Absolutely.

What will happen though is a thousand reviews from people sitting watching cell phone footage on YouTube in their spare room on a wet Monday night after work.

[Vinnie Velvet]

Which Trunk says, several times, in terms of it all being speculation...primarily because (as Trunk also said) the band doesn't address...anything. Outside of the Smithsonian thing, has anybody from the Van Halen camp outside of Dave made a peep since the 2015 tour?

But Trunk also points out that Van Halen has been pretty erratic in the last 25 years far as working anyway, basically since Eddie first started having health issues that were made public in 1996. Then again, who the fuck knows? I get the feeling Roth doesn't even know much about what is going on with the Van Halens anymore.

If Dave wants to play/perform, he should. If the Van Halens don't (or can't), then Roth can always play with other musicians. I don't particularly get the feeling that Roth asked for the Van Halens blessings with this upcoming Vegas stint. It feels more like Roth got tired of doing nothing and hearing nothing, and finally wanted to do something.

I did hear on a terrestrial morning radio show audio excerpts from a recent interview Roth gave where he claimed he "came up with" the guitar solos for RWTD and Jamie's Crying, in terms of...something along the lines of telling Eddie what to play where those songs were concerned...which was the first time I can recall Roth taking claim for what EDDIE was doing where CVH was concerned. And he said he [Roth] had as much right as anybody to go out and play those CVH songs with whomever, because he designed all the album covers, wrote all the lyrics and melodies, etc. etc. All of which were aspects of CVH he claimed authorship of before.

This isn't anything new. All members of the Army here and longtime CVH/Roth fans know how much Dave contributed to CVH.

We all know Ed was a genius guitar player - riff master along with blazing solos.

But he could not construct a song to save his fucking life. That's where Dave came in. I have no doubt Dave helped Ed structure his solos - as in "do a take of it here and then we are going to have that repeat again after the chorus."

This is why Van Hagar was so vastly different to CVH.

[Jérôme Frenchise]

... and Spammy sucked, incidentally. :D

[Nitro Express]

Too bad Dave isn’t playing in Macau. Play some pai gow poker. See Dave shake his junk at the Asian ladies and then go hit the town looking for trouble with Deng Ho Yang.

[Nitro Express]

... and Spammy sucked, incidentally. :D

Sammy suck long time.

[Nitro Express]

This isn't anything new. All members of the Army here and longtime CVH/Roth fans know how much Dave contributed to CVH.

We all know Ed was a genius guitar player - riff master along with blazing solos.

But he could not construct a song to save his fucking life. That's where Dave came in. I have no doubt Dave helped Ed structure his solos - as in "do a take of it here and then we are going to have that repeat again after the chorus."

This is why Van Hagar was so vastly different to CVH.

Van Halen 3 showed what a sucky song writer Ed is. Ed is great at masturbating but someone needs to turn Ed’s masturbation into art. Without help Ed is just a self-stroking mess.

[Terry]

This isn't anything new. All members of the Army here and longtime CVH/Roth fans know how much Dave contributed to CVH.

We all know Ed was a genius guitar player - riff master along with blazing solos.

But he could not construct a song to save his fucking life. That's where Dave came in. I have no doubt Dave helped Ed structure his solos - as in "do a take of it here and then we are going to have that repeat again after the chorus."

This is why Van Hagar was so vastly different to CVH.

Yeah, but by that logic, Roth should have been able to perform the same function for Steve Vai when Eat 'Em And Smile came around, rather than just let Vai basically jack off with his instrument as fast as he could for solo after solo. Thus, while I don't undercut Roth's contributions to Van Halen, the idea that he needed to tell Eddie what to play because Eddie wouldn't have figured it out otherwise...it's a bit much, don't you think?

Ed was more than adept at constructing songs, coming up with riffs, rhythms and hooks and the like. Sure, one imagines Roth would suggest putting riffs or rhythm parts that Eddie came up with in a different order at times. That's a far cry from how Dave was coming off in the interview at times, where he was kinda trying to portray himself as the "Mastermind of Van Halen." It's like, take a break from your ego, Dave: we all know how important your contributions were to the band...no need to oversell it.

Ed couldn't construct a song to save his life? So, in terms of Van Halen's biggest single, Jump...Dave didn't even LIKE that tune. Ed came up with it and Ed had to push to have it recorded...still sticking by your theory, there? :nuts:

[DONNIEP]

Which Trunk says, several times, in terms of it all being speculation...primarily because (as Trunk also said) the band doesn't address...anything. Outside of the Smithsonian thing, has anybody from the Van Halen camp outside of Dave made a peep since the 2015 tour?

But Trunk also points out that Van Halen has been pretty erratic in the last 25 years far as working anyway, basically since Eddie first started having health issues that were made public in 1996. Then again, who the fuck knows? I get the feeling Roth doesn't even know much about what is going on with the Van Halens anymore.

If Dave wants to play/perform, he should. If the Van Halens don't (or can't), then Roth can always play with other musicians. I don't particularly get the feeling that Roth asked for the Van Halens blessings with this upcoming Vegas stint. It feels more like Roth got tired of doing nothing and hearing nothing, and finally wanted to do something.

I did hear on a terrestrial morning radio show audio excerpts from a recent interview Roth gave where he claimed he "came up with" the guitar solos for RWTD and Jamie's Crying, in terms of...something along the lines of telling Eddie what to play where those songs were concerned...which was the first time I can recall Roth taking claim for what EDDIE was doing where CVH was concerned. And he said he [Roth] had as much right as anybody to go out and play those CVH songs with whomever, because he designed all the album covers, wrote all the lyrics and melodies, etc. etc. All of which were aspects of CVH he claimed authorship of before.

Sammy even said all Ed had were pieces of songs. And he had to piece them together, just like Dave did. I’m not knocking Ed - but I love to, limited talent, the wishing well run dry POS-but Sammy’s said the same thing. So either Dave’s a liar and Sammy’s a liar, or Ed couldn’t whistle Happy Birthday without help.

[Terry]

Van Halen 3 showed what a sucky song writer Ed is. Ed is great at masturbating but someone needs to turn Ed’s masturbation into art. Without help Ed is just a self-stroking mess.

Van Halen III was just an ego trip. I still find it hard to believe Warner Brothers released that album in the state it was in. It was almost as if nobody at the record label had the fortitude to tell Ed that the songs needed work and the mix sounded substandard.

The Van Hagar era was a bit of a different thing, where you can hear the band getting complacent...mostly because they could, partly (I think) because Ed didn't have a songwriting partner in Hagar like he did in Dave where...Ed and Sammy were too friendly. There wasn't any friction, and after Dave left and Templeman stopped producing the band there was nobody there to tell Ed he could do better or challenge him to do better. I think THAT is why there are more than a few Van Hagar tracks that sound fobbed off creatively. It was almost as if the amount of success the band attained made Ed a bit lazy. He just wasn't as hungry after Dave left in terms of wowing people with his guitar playing...like he had left the Guitar Hero mentality behind somewhat, yet what he had achieved on Van Halen's first six albums had already cemented him as a guitar hero forever in the public mind. I can't picture Sam Hagar ever saying to Eddie that anything he was presenting to the band could use a little more work...or Don Landee doing much more than basically engineering the records.

I'd agree that Ed's best stuff, to my ears anyway, resulted from having a lead singer such as Roth who was there with Ed from the beginning and wasn't intimidated by his Rock Guitar God status along with a producer like Templeman who could help hone the material. But Templeman was just as instrumental in terms of working with what Dave brought to the table as a singer as he was with the stuff Ed was coming up with.

[Nitro Express]

Yeah, but by that logic, Roth should have been able to perform the same function for Steve Vai when Eat 'Em And Smile came around, rather than just let Vai basically jack off with his instrument as fast as he could for solo after solo. Thus, while I don't undercut Roth's contributions to Van Halen, the idea that he needed to tell Eddie what to play because Eddie wouldn't have figured it out otherwise...it's a bit much, don't you think?

Ed was more than adept at constructing songs, coming up with riffs, rhythms and hooks and the like. Sure, one imagines Roth would suggest putting riffs or rhythm parts that Eddie came up with in a different order at times. That's a far cry from how Dave was coming off in the interview at times, where he was kinda trying to portray himself as the "Mastermind of Van Halen." It's like, take a break from your ego, Dave: we all know how important your contributions were to the band...no need to oversell it.
Ed couldn't construct a song to save his life? So, in terms of Van Halen's biggest single, Jump...Dave didn't even LIKE that tune. Ed came up with it and Ed had to push to have it recorded...still sticking by your theory, there? :nuts:

Ted Templeman produced all of the classic VH albums and he produced Eat Em and Smile for Dave. Take that guy out of the mix and those VH albums would have been way different. The producer is like a coach. You can have great players but to be a great team you need a good coach. Dave is the quarterback bragging he won the season all by himself.

[Nitro Express]

Sammy even said all Ed had were pieces of songs. And he had to piece them together, just like Dave did. I’m not knocking Ed - but I love to, limited talent, the wishing well run dry POS-but Sammy’s said the same thing. So either Dave’s a liar and Sammy’s a liar, or Ed couldn’t whistle Happy Birthday without help.

Ed didn’t write songs. Ed wrote riffs. Ed said Alex was actually a better musician than him in the sense that Alex could structure songs better. Makes sense. The drummer lays the beat down everyone else plays on top of. So Ed would noodle and come up with riffs, play them for Alex and Alex would lay a beat down that went with the riff and give his input. They would usually have the rough song hashed out by the time they played for the singer. That’s how it pretty much worked.

[Nitro Express]

Van Halen III was just an ego trip. I still find it hard to believe Warner Brothers released that album in the state it was in. It was almost as if nobody at the record label had the fortitude to tell Ed that the songs needed work and the mix sounded substandard.

The Van Hagar era was a bit of a different thing, where you can hear the band getting complacent...mostly because they could, partly (I think) because Ed didn't have a songwriting partner in Hagar like he did in Dave where...Ed and Sammy were too friendly. There wasn't any friction, and after Dave left and Templeman stopped producing the band there was nobody there to tell Ed he could do better or challenge him to do better. I think THAT is why there are more than a few Van Hagar tracks that sound fobbed off creatively. It was almost as if the amount of success the band attained made Ed a bit lazy. He just wasn't as hungry after Dave left in terms of wowing people with his guitar playing...like he had left the Guitar Hero mentality behind somewhat, yet what he had achieved on Van Halen's first six albums had already cemented him as a guitar hero forever in the public mind. I can't picture Sam Hagar ever saying to Eddie that anything he was presenting to the band could use a little more work...or Don Landee doing much more than basically engineering the records.

I'd agree that Ed's best stuff, to my ears anyway, resulted from having a lead singer such as Roth who was there with Ed from the beginning and wasn't intimidated by his Rock Guitar God status along with a producer like Templeman who could help hone the material. But Templeman was just as instrumental in terms of working with what Dave brought to the table as a singer as he was with the stuff Ed was coming up with.

Ed wanted to do everything himself by the time VH3 became a project. Ray Daniel’s convinced Ed he was the head guy in Van Halen and it went to Ed’s head. Heck. Andy Johns even said Ed was trying to engineer his own songs and it would drive Eddie nuts Andy could engineer the music better than Ed. Andy had a good chuckle over that one. VH3 was Eddie’s ego run amok due to an enabling manager.

[ZahZoo]

Song writing is a collaborative process with contributions from every person involved in the final product. Van Halen is no exception.

No one person can claim any of the 40 years of VH material was written by one of them... with maybe the exception of Ed solos like Eruption, 316 or Cathedral... even those are just a series of riffs slapped together.

Ed created riffs and rhythms... Alex created structure, beat and groove. Mike created additional structure, beat, groove and vocal compositions... Dave/Sam/Gary created lyrics, melodic structures and color.

Also add a myriad of producers and engineers that contributed hundreds of timing adjustments, tonal landscapes, space, effects and all kinds of tiny aspects that most folks can't separate from the final result.

PS... VH III was more a product of the band and the record industry phasing from the retirement home to their death bed. Thankfully the band outlived the industry so far...

[Terry]

Ed didn’t write songs. Ed wrote riffs. Ed said Alex was actually a better musician than him in the sense that Alex could structure songs better. Makes sense. The drummer lays the beat down everyone else plays on top of. So Ed would noodle and come up with riffs, play them for Alex and Alex would lay a beat down that went with the riff and give his input. They would usually have the rough song hashed out by the time they played for the singer. That’s how it pretty much worked.


All of which seems how the process went in terms of what I've read. None of which is quite the same as Dave sort of portraying himself as the man behind the Wizard Of Oz curtain in terms of Classic Van Halen.

[Terry]

Ed wanted to do everything himself by the time VH3 became a project. Ray Daniel’s convinced Ed he was the head guy in Van Halen and it went to Ed’s head. Heck. Andy Johns even said Ed was trying to engineer his own songs and it would drive Eddie nuts Andy could engineer the music better than Ed. Andy had a good chuckle over that one. VH3 was Eddie’s ego run amok due to an enabling manager.

I think so. I mean, whatever one thought about Cherone's abilities or appropriateness in terms of being the singer, the fact of the matter is many of the instrumental ideas were half-realized and the production was terrible: I'm not a fan of the Van Hagar stuff, but the Sam Halen records sounded professionally produced at least. Van Halen III sounded like demo tapes or work tracks that would have been given to a producer as a reference point going forward to the recording sessions for what would become an album down the line, not a finished product. I don't lay the blame for much of that at Cherone's doorstep.

[Terry]

Song writing is a collaborative process with contributions from every person involved in the final product. Van Halen is no exception.

No one person can claim any of the 40 years of VH material was written by one of them... with maybe the exception of Ed solos like Eruption, 316 or Cathedral... even those are just a series of riffs slapped together.

Ed created riffs and rhythms... Alex created structure, beat and groove. Mike created additional structure, beat, groove and vocal compositions... Dave/Sam/Gary created lyrics, melodic structures and color.

Also add a myriad of producers and engineers that contributed hundreds of timing adjustments, tonal landscapes, space, effects and all kinds of tiny aspects that most folks can't separate from the final result.

PS... VH III was more a product of the band and the record industry phasing from the retirement home to their death bed. Thankfully the band outlived the industry so far...

Yes.

[Terry]

Absolutely.

What will happen though is a thousand reviews from people sitting watching cell phone footage on YouTube in their spare room on a wet Monday night after work.

Like, I enjoyed myself well enough at the Roth show at the 2005 St. Pete Ribfest at the time. Got a cell phone bootleg transferred to dvd of that show a year or so later and watching that cell phone-filmed gig wasn't nearly as fun as being there: the live atmosphere of the event obviously outstrips hearing and watching it on a smaller computer screen.

[Terry]

... and Spammy sucked, incidentally. :D


Sucked to the point where the handful of good instrumental ideas on those Van Hagar albums were always tempered by Hagar's mediocrity. The title track to 5150 was a case in point: thought that was a killer tune in terms of the guitar work. Hagar comes in with his trite lyrics and brngs the tune down a few notches, to the point where I'd rather hear it as an instrumental.

[Nitro Express]

Song writing is a collaborative process with contributions from every person involved in the final product. Van Halen is no exception.

No one person can claim any of the 40 years of VH material was written by one of them... with maybe the exception of Ed solos like Eruption, 316 or Cathedral... even those are just a series of riffs slapped together.

Ed created riffs and rhythms... Alex created structure, beat and groove. Mike created additional structure, beat, groove and vocal compositions... Dave/Sam/Gary created lyrics, melodic structures and color.

Also add a myriad of producers and engineers that contributed hundreds of timing adjustments, tonal landscapes, space, effects and all kinds of tiny aspects that most folks can't separate from the final result.

PS... VH III was more a product of the band and the record industry phasing from the retirement home to their death bed. Thankfully the band outlived the industry so far...

It’s why people had a hard time copying Ed’s early guitar tone. A lot of that tone was Don Landee’s post production mixing in a combination of a plate reverb and Sunset Sound’s famous echo chamber. If you saw VH live in the early days Ed had more of a classic guitar sound. Also Ted Nugent said he played Ed’s guitar through his rig and it really didn’t sound all that much different than a Gibson through a Fender Dual Showman. That’s when Ted really learned the tone is in the hands. There is no magic effects pedal or little black box. What Don did to Ed’s tone was liven it up and give it more space. Ted Templeman made it dominant in the mix. He was selling the new hot guitar player.

[Nitro Express]

All of which seems how the process went in terms of what I've read. None of which is quite the same as Dave sort of portraying himself as the man behind the Wizard Of Oz curtain in terms of Classic Van Halen.

Dave would listen to the music and write lyrics to it. He liked to do this while riding around LA in a car. I’m sure Dave had some input. Heck. If Dave had the typical recording contract he would have made killer money on the publishing. There is money in those lyrics. I think VH split it an even five ways until of course they screwed Mike over. If Dave knew what he was doing which of course he didn’t it would be good to be Dave.

[Nitro Express]

I think so. I mean, whatever one thought about Cherone's abilities or appropriateness in terms of being the singer, the fact of the matter is many of the instrumental ideas were half-realized and the production was terrible: I'm not a fan of the Van Hagar stuff, but the Sam Halen records sounded professionally produced at least. Van Halen III sounded like demo tapes or work tracks that would have been given to a producer as a reference point going forward to the recording sessions for what would become an album down the line, not a finished product. I don't lay the blame for much of that at Cherone's doorstep.


That was Ray Daniel’s fuckup. Ray was Gary’s manager so Ray was set to make more money off the album and tour. Ray chased Sammy off and used Dave to generate excitement then he sold a turd called VH3. As Zahzoo said the turd went into production because the recording industry was in turmoil. California glam rock got replaced by grunge and the internet and streaming music was coming onto the scene. Warner’s viewed Van Halen as a dated “has been” and were trying to figure out how to survive in the internet age. This allowed Eddie and Ray to ass blast the public with VH3.

[Nitro Express]

Sucked to the point where the handful of good instrumental ideas on those Van Hagar albums were always tempered by Hagar's mediocrity. The title track to 5150 was a case in point: thought that was a killer tune in terms of the guitar work. Hagar comes in with his trite lyrics and brngs the tune down a few notches, to the point where I'd rather hear it as an instrumental.

There is some killer guitar on some of those Van Hagar albums. I just didn’t like the poodle barking on top of it. The lyrics were like the dirty poems I got in trouble for writing in second grade. Yup. I wrote a dirty poem and the girl next to me read it. She gave it to the teacher. I ended up in the principal’s office waiting for my mom to come. I then had to convince my mom I didn’t have any porn magazines and nobody was showing me bad stuff. I was shocked to learn people actually did what my dirty and demented mind thought up. Yuck!

[Nitro Express]

If Sammy was around in 1974 I could have blamed him and his lyrics for my nasty mind.

[Nitro Express]

I wasn’t hot for teacher but I was hot for the reading aid. I was up for breakfast and I wanted to stick my banana between her melons and into her cherry bowl.

[Terry]

Dave would listen to the music and write lyrics to it. He liked to do this while riding around LA in a car. I’m sure Dave had some input. Heck. If Dave had the typical recording contract he would have made killer money on the publishing. There is money in those lyrics. I think VH split it an even five ways until of course they screwed Mike over. If Dave knew what he was doing which of course he didn’t it would be good to be Dave.

Without a doubt Dave had a major input.

While I wasn't there at the creation of those songs in terms of the process, the creative nucleus of CVH seems to me to have been Dave and Eddie. With Ed and Alex jamming on instrumental ideas at times and then presenting that to Dave. The lyrics and lead vocal delivery, for me, was as important to CVH as what Eddie was doing guitar-wise.

I'm just not onboard with the notion that Roth was THE mastermind behind CVH. Crucial, yes.

[Terry]

I wasn’t hot for teacher but I was hot for the reading aid. I was up for breakfast and I wanted to stick my banana between her melons and into her cherry bowl.

She was a 9 on a 10 scale, and I ain't tellin' no lies. She tried puttin' me off, but I ain't havin' that jive.



Was that an actual Hagar lyric? Sounds like it could have been (and one of his better ones, at that).

[Nitro Express]

Without a doubt Dave had a major input.

While I wasn't there at the creation of those songs in terms of the process, the creative nucleus of CVH seems to me to have been Dave and Eddie. With Ed and Alex jamming on instrumental ideas at times and then presenting that to Dave. The lyrics and lead vocal delivery, for me, was as important to CVH as what Eddie was doing guitar-wise.

I'm just not onboard with the notion that Roth was THE mastermind behind CVH. Crucial, yes.

It takes at least two people to fuck. Some think the more the merrier. Everyone in the gaggle plays their part. Dave in his old age is bragging he was a great masturbator and didn’t need Mike the Gimp or Anal Alex or Ejaculate Eruption Eddie to get off.

[Nitro Express]

She was a 9 on a 10 scale, and I ain't tellin' no lies. She tried puttin' me off, but I ain't havin' that jive.



Was that an actual Hagar lyric? Sounds like it could have been (and one of his better ones, at that).

I don’t know. The teacher’s aid was from Alaska. She said she ate raw fish there. Well that sort of stuff inspires lyrics from us hornballs. I wasn’t old enough to day dream the concept but decades before Blind Boy Fuller was educated and sang about it. Took me a few more years to find out what good fish was.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HGVShoAWp00&feature=share

[Vinnie Velvet]

Yeah, but by that logic, Roth should have been able to perform the same function for Steve Vai when Eat 'Em And Smile came around, rather than just let Vai basically jack off with his instrument as fast as he could for solo after solo. Thus, while I don't undercut Roth's contributions to Van Halen, the idea that he needed to tell Eddie what to play because Eddie wouldn't have figured it out otherwise...it's a bit much, don't you think?

Ed was more than adept at constructing songs, coming up with riffs, rhythms and hooks and the like. Sure, one imagines Roth would suggest putting riffs or rhythm parts that Eddie came up with in a different order at times. That's a far cry from how Dave was coming off in the interview at times, where he was kinda trying to portray himself as the "Mastermind of Van Halen." It's like, take a break from your ego, Dave: we all know how important your contributions were to the band...no need to oversell it.

Ed couldn't construct a song to save his life? So, in terms of Van Halen's biggest single, Jump...Dave didn't even LIKE that tune. Ed came up with it and Ed had to push to have it recorded...still sticking by your theory, there? :nuts:

What Eddie had with Jump was the main synth riff and mid break synth solo (the one after the guitar solo in the finished song).

That's it.

And that's not enough to get you a #1 on the Billboard Hot 100 for 5 weeks straight.

[Vinnie Velvet]

So, yeah Ed can't write a song and never could.

He writes riffs, solos and jams.

To put together a song is a different thing.

[private parts]

Aside from walking around in his underwear, Ed looks pretty healthy in this video. Was posted a few days ago, but not sure when it was actually shot.


https://youtu.be/2LBxkBKsIrI

[Vinnie Velvet]

Aside from walking around in his underwear, Ed looks pretty healthy in this video. Was posted a few days ago, but not sure when it was actually shot.


https://youtu.be/2LBxkBKsIrI

Ed looks fine. Who knows what went down.

Seems like VH did have a festival type/stadium thing planned for summer this year (with Mike) but it didn't work out while Dave had the Vegas residency in his back pocket if the VH gig didn't happen.

[vaijuju]

Aside from walking around in his underwear, Ed looks pretty healthy in this video. Was posted a few days ago, but not sure when it was actually shot.


https://youtu.be/2LBxkBKsIrI

It was in 2017 !

https://i13.servimg.com/u/f13/19/40/43/17/89774711.jpg (https://servimg.com/view/19404317/227)

https://i13.servimg.com/u/f13/19/40/43/17/89774713.jpg (https://servimg.com/view/19404317/229)

https://i13.servimg.com/u/f13/19/40/43/17/89774712.jpg (https://servimg.com/view/19404317/228)

[Vinnie Velvet]

2017?

Ok then lol

[vaijuju]

2017?

Ok then lol

found these pics in my computer August 2017 !

[Jérôme Frenchise]

Cheers vaijuju! How're you doing?

Corrected by a froggie, gentlemen...:D:

[private parts]

Well he doesn't look 2 years away from death. But a lot can happen health-wise in 2 years I guess.
Hope he is fine and healthy and just being a Dutch asshole.

[vaijuju]

Cheers vaijuju! How're you doing?

Corrected by a froggie, gentlemen...:D:

fine my dear ! :D

[Nitro Express]

Aside from walking around in his underwear, Ed looks pretty healthy in this video. Was posted a few days ago, but not sure when it was actually shot.


https://youtu.be/2LBxkBKsIrI

You can tell he works out. He’s got pretty good muscle definition, his color is good and he’s got a healthy demeanor. I would imagine he’s got a personal trainer or maybe his wife makes sure he does his exercises and eats well. No Ed looks fine. He’s clearly taking care of himself now.

[bluemustard]

Ed is awsome! The shitbird with camera should leave him the fuck alone. When he hid behind the tree (which was fokking hilarious) the guy should have stopped.
Ed is a gentlemen just doing some shopping.

[Nitro Express]

Ed is awsome! The shitbird with camera should leave him the fuck alone. When he hid behind the tree (which was fokking hilarious) the guy should have stopped.
Ed is a gentlemen just doing some shopping.

Either an over obsessed fan or a paparazzi who is a fan or not very good at asking questions. Yeah. The guy was an ass noodle for sure. Very annoying. Ed hiding behind the tree was pretty funny.

[Seshmeister]

The best live act I have seen in the last few years(or longer) was the Foo Fighters this summer. Going in I was wondering jeez 3 guitarists and a keyboard player onstage seems a bit much. Then it occurred to me if that's what it takes to do their songs properly live without cheating then great. Would you want to go and see a Beethoven symphony where 7 people mime along to a tape or a 90 piece orchestra play the fucking thing?


Haha Dave just played a showcase of his new Vegas band with 3 guitarists and I'm not sure I'm ok with that. :D

[Jetstream]

Those two guitarists combine (or three and all have the generic sound and vibe of session cardboard props) are not even Bart Walsh's equal and Dave's vocals are cringe worthy again... he needs to stop mouthing off about 'album quality' and hope his vocals can slide under the radar without him turning up the scrutiny knob of 'perfection' because I sincerely wish him the best
https://www.facebook.com/wayne.bradley.581/videos/10220033153360529/UzpfSTU5ODEyMDI5MTpWSzoyNDA0MjQ5ODQ5NjUwNTgw/

[Nitro Express]

Those two guitarists combine (or three and all have the generic sound and vibe of session cardboard props) are not even Bart Walsh's equal and Dave's vocals are cringe worthy again... he needs to stop mouthing off about 'album quality' and hope his vocals can slide under the radar without him turning up the scrutiny knob of 'perfection' because I sincerely wish him the best
https://www.facebook.com/wayne.bradley.581/videos/10220033153360529/UzpfSTU5ODEyMDI5MTpWSzoyNDA0MjQ5ODQ5NjUwNTgw/


Thank's to Autotune, anyone can be a singer now.

[Jetstream]

Thank's to Autotune, anyone can be a singer now.

Then he needs to employ one lol

[Nitro Express]

Then he needs to employ one lol

Most definitely. Dave is in dire need for digital enhancement. He's probably popping Viagra which is an Autotune for your dick.

[Terry]

That was Ray Daniel’s fuckup. Ray was Gary’s manager so Ray was set to make more money off the album and tour. Ray chased Sammy off and used Dave to generate excitement then he sold a turd called VH3. As Zahzoo said the turd went into production because the recording industry was in turmoil. California glam rock got replaced by grunge and the internet and streaming music was coming onto the scene. Warner’s viewed Van Halen as a dated “has been” and were trying to figure out how to survive in the internet age. This allowed Eddie and Ray to ass blast the public with VH3.

Yes, but Van Halen had weathered the grunge onslaught. They released two albums during the peak of grunge, both of which went platinum, and were still able to fill large venues when they were touring during the peak of grunge. By 1996, grunge was over. Streaming music for free was still not something the majority of the record buying public had access to in early 1998. Napster didn't even come onto the scene until nearly a year after Van Halen III was released, and the ubiquity of home computers with internet access wasn't quite there yet in terms of it being in in a majority of American homes until the late 1990s.


Warner Brothers may well have viewed Van Halen as a "has-been" band by the time the dust settled on 1996, but a "has-been" band doesn't sell 2 to 3 million copies of a Greatest Hits album on the strength of just two new tracks with a former lead singer. For me, the shock far as WB was concerned was that they kept Van Halen on the label after the Roth reunion fell through and they actually heard what Van Halen with Gary Cherone had come up with instead in terms of the Van Halen III album.

Ray Danniels played a strong role in breeding the discontent between Sammy and the Van Halens, and Danniels was instrumental in getting Cherone to replace Hagar/Roth. The origins of that discontent were already there even before Danniels became the manager, though. But all of this took place when Eddie was (supposedly, and certainly appeared to be) sober. Ultimately, Eddie was responsible for canning Hagar, bringing Dave back for the BOV1 tracks, not going beyond those tracks re: touring with Dave and having Cherone be the singer and ultimately the substandard album (unless Daniels had some songwriting credits on it I'm not aware of - and, in fairness, I never checked...nor do I want to) that became Van Halen III.

The album only ended up selling a half million because, simply put, it wasn't any good.

[Terry]

Haha Dave just played a showcase of his new Vegas band with 3 guitarists and I'm not sure I'm ok with that. :D

Why would you even need 3 guitarists onstage to do a setlist that assumedly is comprised 90% or more of CVH tunes?

Surely after 40 years there are more than a few working rock guitarists who have managed to master Eddie's licks without needing an assist from two other guitarists. Shit, youtube is fucking overrun with anonymous cunts posting "how to play this Van Halen song": get one of those twats to play with Dave.

[Seshmeister]

Also in the clip at least one of them is out of tune.

Bit of a schoolboy error...?

[Nitro Express]

Just watched Dave’s sneak preview of his Vegas show. I don’t think I could drink enough booze or pop enough Xanax to make him or his band sound good. Watching some guy on the street corner banging on a bunch of plastic buckets is more entertaining.

[Vinnie Velvet]

Just watched Dave’s sneak preview of his Vegas show. I don’t think I could drink enough booze or pop enough Xanax to make him or his band sound good. Watching some guy on the street corner banging on a bunch of plastic buckets is more entertaining.

I saw the clips. Dave is as good as he can be at this stage in the game. While this is still a rehearsal, I think he can be a little better. I feel bad for Dave cause he really wants to sing and scream like he could in his youth but what happens when he tries that - the high pitch yelling comes out. I don't think that's intentional - its just that the whistle scream is gone. So maybe Dave has to dial that back in and not try to hit anything high.

Its very much like how we all tried to scream like Dave when listening to the CVH records but what came out was a dribbled mess. LOL
I think that's what happening with Dave now. Again, I don't think its intentional. I believe hes trying but this is all he's got now.

As for the band - well, Dave has always....I mean always had stellar musicianship during his solo days. Whether it was the original EEAS band; John 5 or even guys like Ray Luzier and Brian Young - all great.

This band? I don't know. Its not looking good from this rehearsal. I'm sure Dave may know this so hoping he can work out some of the pitfalls before January.

[Vinnie Velvet]

….And I understand Dave tried to get Brain Young back to play with him for the Vegas shows.

Unfortunately, Brian was booked to play elsewhere during that time with some other commitment he couldn't get out of.

[twonabomber]

Now the Roth Shows have become a promo for the Vegas shows. Plenty of VH talk but nothing on who is in the new band. Dave mentions the Bird and the Bee a couple times too.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aL-EMtjYx0U

[Never was]

That new band was not good so far

[Nitro Express]

I saw the clips. Dave is as good as he can be at this stage in the game. While this is still a rehearsal, I think he can be a little better. I feel bad for Dave cause he really wants to sing and scream like he could in his youth but what happens when he tries that - the high pitch yelling comes out. I don't think that's intentional - its just that the whistle scream is gone. So maybe Dave has to dial that back in and not try to hit anything high

Its very much like how we all tried to scream like Dave when listening to the CVH records but what came out was a dribbled mess. LOL
I think that's what happening with Dave now. Again, I don't think its intentional. I believe hes trying but this is all he's got now.

As for the band - well, Dave has always....I mean always had stellar musicianship during his solo days. Whether it was the original EEAS band; John 5 or even guys like Ray Luzier and Brian Young - all great.

This band? I don't know. Its not looking good from this rehearsal. I'm sure Dave may know this so hoping he can work out some of the pitfalls before January.

Roth wants to give the young trophy wife a good fucking but the junk no longer works. He’s fucking hard with a limp noodle.

[Vinnie Velvet]

Roth wants to give the young trophy wife a good fucking but the junk no longer works. He’s fucking hard with a limp noodle.

LOL

Well put.

[Hecubus]

He's gonna make a Goddamn fool of himself. His podcast about this......the guy is fucking delusional. He still thinks he's a star. Does he not realize he cannot sing worth shit anymore? And he looks like a flaming faggot with the queer moves.

This guy is on a different planet. He needs to just retire. He thinks he is still the man...…….

Tell us how you really feel...& don't hold back! LOL!

Somewhat difficult to argue with an item or 2 there tho...

[Baby's On Fire]

Dave has been my idol sonce I was 13. He still is my idol.

But 75% of that has nothong to do with music. It's his philosophy and lifestyle.

99% of people know of him through music, and I hate to see him destroy his legacy.

It's his life, but somebody needs to tell him "Dude, you sound like shit and act like a faggot these days"

In his Vegas promo video, he does the overhead kick amazingly, but he also does the fucking 20's flapper girl routine. It's fucking embarrassing. He looks like a fucking homo.

[Nitro Express]

https://youtu.be/TMUJpec6Bdc

This is the stage David Lee Roth is at.

[Baby's On Fire]

I feel bad for Tom, the guy filming Dave and editing. He must need painkillers every day.

I can't even get through a minute of Dave's babbling without turning it off.

Dave is super smart and ruins it with his continuing fake persona. He comes off like an idiot and just doesn't realize it.

And it is a fake persona. That's obvious. He's trying to be Diamond Dave from 35 years ago and it doesn't work anymore.

Just be Uncle Dave

[Nitro Express]

I feel bad for Tom, the guy filming Dave and editing. He must need painkillers every day.

I can't even get through a minute of Dave's babbling without turning it off.

Dave is super smart and ruins it with his continuing fake persona. He comes off like an idiot and just doesn't realize it.

And it is a fake persona. That's obvious. He's trying to be Diamond Dave from 35 years ago and it doesn't work anymore.

Just be Uncle Dave

It was great when Dave was on stage for two hours or when Dave was at the radio station being a wild man. We got strong short bursts of Dave. From people who had to be on the road with him he was exhausting to be around. We snorted the illusions Dave fabricated and they were great but the man behind the curtain is boring and exhausting to listen to. His art projects are pretty good though.

[Vinnie Velvet]

It was great when Dave was on stage for two hours or when Dave was at the radio station being a wild man. We got strong short bursts of Dave. From people who had to be on the road with him he was exhausting to be around. We snorted the illusions Dave fabricated and they were great but the man behind the curtain is boring and exhausting to listen to. His art projects are pretty good though.

Interestingly, Dave is back on radio stations doing interviews again.

Now that he's set himself free from the shackles of VH.

And those interviews have been great - like classic Dave stuff. Not rambling on about whatever.

[ZahZoo]

That new band was not good so far

That's apparent... Bless their hearts and bravery for taking the job.

Many can attempt to copy EVH... hit the same notes, use the same amps, guitars and effects... But never achieve the same results. Other than Ray Luzier... no drummer comes anywhere close to Alex Van Halen... Put Eddie and Alex together... untouchable!!

[Baby's On Fire]

Interestingly, Dave is back on radio stations doing interviews again.

Now that he's set himself free from the shackles of VH.

And those interviews have been great - like classic Dave stuff. Not rambling on about whatever.


Another one from August. Uncle Dave.

Not too far in, Dave talks about almost starving to death in New Guinea in 1985 while crossing the Star Mountains and getting lost. He's actually choked up

This is the stuff I want to hear. But he doesn't tell the story. I want to know how they got lost and how they survived it.

https://www.designmattersmedia.com/podcasts/David-Lee-Roth

[Nickdfresh]

Dave has been my idol sonce I was 13. He still is my idol.

But 75% of that has nothong to do with music. It's his philosophy and lifestyle.

99% of people know of him through music, and I hate to see him destroy his legacy.

It's his life, but somebody needs to tell him "Dude, you sound like shit and act like a faggot these days"

In his Vegas promo video, he does the overhead kick amazingly, but he also does the fucking 20's flapper girl routine. It's fucking embarrassing. He looks like a fucking homo.

To me it was always music and I never gave a fuck about much else. But Old Dave is simply an extension of young Dave. I mean, when you were 13 Dave was wearing leather chaps and skin-tight Lycra, FFS he didn't "look like a faggot" then? Dave is what can be called metro-sexual and very try-hard. He's an oddball and an interesting character and probably a bit of a sociopath. But you're getting upset because he went from androgynous leatherman and ballsack-wrapped-in-spandex to Liberace's Goodwill donation? Who gives a fuck? He's a mental case entertainer. You can't be seriously picky now FFS..

Not that I give a fuck, but remember this a guy that has about 8-20 hours of straight porn under his belt courtesy of their creepy, autistic first manager Uncle Milty's nephew Berle

[David'sPeeBroth]

Dave is what can be called metro-sexual.

Metro?!!??!?? Hardly. The word is homosexual, not metrosexual.

The only thing remotely "Metro" about Dave is that he probably sucked off a dude in a Geo Metro sometime during the mid-90s.

Dude's a straight-up polesmoker.

[Nickdfresh]

Metro?!!??!?? Hardly. The word is homosexual, not metrosexual.

The only thing remotely "Metro" about Dave is that he probably sucked off a dude in a Geo Metro sometime during the mid-90s.

Dude's a straight-up polesmoker.

Jerkoff fucking troll says wut?

[Nitro Express]

Metro?!!??!?? Hardly. The word is homosexual, not metrosexual.

The only thing remotely "Metro" about Dave is that he probably sucked off a dude in a Geo Metro sometime during the mid-90s.

Dude's a straight-up polesmoker.

Dude. Why do think Dave was so fond of midgets? Dave would fill a Geo Metro up with oiled naked midgets and jump in. The thing would start shakin and Dave would hit high notes you never thought he could hit.

[ZahZoo]

The old saying some things never get old... this thread track got old... Give it a rest, nimrods.

There's a lot about the 80's that's cringe-worthy and just appears downright cheesy, bizarre and forgettable... Thought to be cool to some then... creepy and campy now.

Most folks advise one to chill out and retain their dignity in old age... that goes for middle-aged fanboys as well.

[twonabomber]

SiriusXM is giving away a trip to Vegas to see DLR. Includes a meet and greet!

https://www.siriusxm.com/DavidLeeRoth

One Grand Prize Winner will receive a trip for two to Las Vegas, NV including round-trip airfare, a two-night hotel stay at Mandalay Bay Resort & Casino, and two premium VIP tickets to see SiriusXM Presents David Lee Roth ROCKS VEGAS on Saturday, March 28 – plus:

Dinner for two at House of Blues Restaurant and Bar
Complimentary access for two to Foundation Room on the 63rd Floor of Mandalay Bay after the show
Meet 'Diamond Dave’ and get your picture with him!


SiriusXM will present David Lee Roth Rocks Vegas at House of Blues Las Vegas on the dates below:

January 8, 10 and 11, 2020
March 18, 20, 21, 25, 27 and 28, 2020

[Terry]

The old saying some things never get old... this thread track got old... Give it a rest, nimrods.

There's a lot about the 80's that's cringe-worthy and just appears downright cheesy, bizarre and forgettable... Thought to be cool to some then... creepy and campy now.

Most folks advise one to chill out and retain their dignity in old age... that goes for middle-aged fanboys as well.

This assumes I had dignity to begin with...

[ZahZoo]

This assumes I had dignity to begin with...

It's around somewhere... check the back of the junk drawer in the kitchen. If you really need to find it... go get a prostrate exam. Damn thing will surface your dignity faster than anything on earth!!

[Terry]

It's around somewhere... check the back of the junk drawer in the kitchen. If you really need to find it... go get a prostrate exam. Damn thing will surface your dignity faster than anything on earth!!


It was an involuntary muscular reflex reaction!!

I AIN'T NO QUEER!!






I'm just a little fond of chiffon in a wrist-array-y-yay-y-yay-y-yay-y-yay...a wrist uh-ray-u-ay...

[Berggo]

Now the Roth Shows have become a promo for the Vegas shows. Plenty of VH talk but nothing on who is in the new band. Dave mentions the Bird and the Bee a couple times too.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aL-EMtjYx0U

Is it confirmed already? Do we know who is coming for sure? I will be travelling from my property in Germany and would like to know as many details as possible. Tickets to Las Vegas from my country are not that cheap and I really would love to enjoy the show.

[Nitro Express]

It's around somewhere... check the back of the junk drawer in the kitchen. If you really need to find it... go get a prostrate exam. Damn thing will surface your dignity faster than anything on earth!!


https://youtu.be/9-zf2UBp7fY

I always hear the song Moon River in my head when I hear the snap of the latex gloves.

[Never was]

Dave has made changes to the Vegas band already.

[twonabomber]

Link? Source?

[ZahZoo]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=9&v=kOnQ5oDL1iY&feature=emb_logo&fbclid=IwAR1n8kWt2G7Sdmb8ZigQ6v0K-P4eQUCQl7oB5LLvgMJn0ja2GzmjKqUx7gg

Latest Vegas interview.

[ZahZoo]

The stage... http://i.imgur.com/tqyOocY.jpg

[ZahZoo]

Another interview...

https://www.reviewjournal.com/entertainment/music/david-lee-roth-launching-las-vegas-residency-1930082/

[Jérôme Frenchise]

All lit up.:D

First gig is tonight. Some posters here said they would attend certain dates.
I don't think we'll get any audience video footage, but I'm curious about the first concert reviews.:cool:

[twonabomber]

Single bass drum?

lame...

[Seshmeister]

Everyone seems to use double pedals these days instead.

[wiseguy]

That’s the trouble with never...

[heartbreaker]

Does anyone else here think the setlist for Las Vegas 2020 is going to mimic the setlist from the 2004 DLR solo tour (also with 2 guitarists: Brian Young & Toshi Hiketa) or is it just me?

[Seshmeister]

He didn't do a huge amount of gigs in 2004 but it did include a UK tour which I saw 2 of. The set list was

Hot for Teacher
Mean Street
Just Like Paradise
Runnin' With the Devil
You Really Got Me
California Girls
Somebody Get Me a Doctor
And the Cradle Will Rock...
Just a Gigolo / I Ain't Got Nobody
Unchained
Goin' Crazy!
Shoo Bop
Panama
Dance the Night Away
Yankee Rose
Ice Cream Man
Ain't Talkin' 'Bout Love

Encore:
Jump


Obviously Shoo Bop will be gone. I think it's going to be almost all Van Halen with maybe California Girls and Just A Gigolo because it's Vegas. I'm not sure Just Like Paradise and Yankee Rose will make it.

[Seshmeister]

An interesting coincidence pointed out on our Facebook page today is that 20 years ago tonight David Lee Roth played the House of Blues in Las Vegas. I'm not sure he'll mention that but he should - managing to maintain that level 20 years through your 40s to 60s is a huge achievement in his job.

His guitarist on that night was Bart Walsh...

[vaijuju]

FRom setlist FM


You Really Got Me
Big Train
Unchained
Just Like Paradise
Atomic Punk
Dance the Night Away
Mean Street
California Girls
Tobacco Road
Jamie's Cryin'
Beautiful Girls
Panama
Ain't Talkin' 'Bout Love
Encore:
Just a Gigolo
Jump


https://youtu.be/GLo7EEzu78A

YRGM


https://youtu.be/UcQ6GPFKV84

Unchained


https://youtu.be/fqChpYADGZs

Just Like Paradise


https://youtu.be/2IZ9uCtSqlQ

DTNA

[vaijuju]

Big Train


https://youtu.be/UcQ6GPFKV84


https://youtu.be/YHFVNdgXaFE

Atomic Punk

[Jetstream]

His voice is rough but he did alright on "Big Train"... will say this, he has a great guitarist and the backing vocals are spot on

[vaijuju]

yeah ! it's a first real show since 4 Years ! Dave as usual will better show after show ..perhaps better than 2015 tour !

[Seshmeister]

https://ultimateclassicrock.com/david-lee-roth-vegas-opening-night-set-list/

https://townsquare.media/site/295/files/2020/01/20200108220356__I2A9927.jpg?w=980&q=75

David Lee Roth mixed Van Halen classics with a unique brand of storytelling at his first full solo concert in 13 years tonight in Las Vegas.

The 65-year-old Roth was energetic, enthusiastic and engaging throughout, understandably skipping most of the acrobatics and dancing of previous tours. Sometimes he also missed notes, cues or occasionally, entire verses - most notably on "California Girls," during which he broke out his now-famous "I forgot the fucking words" apology.

The fifteen song set featured 10 classics from the Van Halen years, 5 songs (largely covers) from his solo albums, and at least a half a dozen extended stories about his life and career.

During these interludes, which found his band backing him with instrumental versions of songs such as Lou Reed's "Walk on the Wild Side" and Sly and the Family Stone's "Thank You (Falettinme Be Mice Elf Again)," Roth revealed - among many other things - that the J-Pop group Rampage from Exile Tribe had recently cut a big check to license an upcoming cover version of "Jump." He also explained how eyebrows made dogs more lovable than cats: "Who knows what the fuck they're thinking?"

Al Estrada from the Van Halen tribute band Eruption handled lead guitar duty, alongside rhythm guitarist Frankie Lindri, bassist Ryan Wheeler, keyboardist Danny Wagner and drummer Mike Mussleman.

The singer's last full-length solo concert took place on Nov. 7, 2006. The following September he returned to Van Halen for his first tour with the band in 23 years. With Eddie Van Halen's son Wolfgang replacing original bassist Michael Anthony, the group embarked on two more tours and released one studio album, 2012's A Different Kind of Truth, over the next decade.

In late 2018 the singer strongly hinted that Van Halen would tour for the first time in four years in the summer of 2019, but those plans never materialized. Unconfirmed reports suggested that Eddie Van Halen was battling health issues. Upon announcing his solo return to the stage last September, Roth said, "I’m not sure what’s happening with Ed, but [he’s] probably not gonna answer the bell this time. It’s not my place to guess."

In addition to eight more confirmed Las Vegas shows this January and March, Roth was recently announced as the opening act for the upcoming North American legs of Kiss' End of the Road farewell tour. Their first show together takes place Feb. 1 in Manchester, New Hampshire.

Read More: David Lee Roth Kicks Off Vegas Residency: Set List, Photos, Video | https://ultimateclassicrock.com/david-lee-roth-vegas-opening-night-set-list/?utm_source=tsmclip&utm_medium=referral

[Seshmeister]

https://youtu.be/EcUC-7pV9zs



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hO-g4Se1mg




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EInSM882jqQ

[Seshmeister]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16rcReHLT6I



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44i6uBHvGgo



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18OpJ2H9myk

[jasonA]

Big Train is a curious addition to the set. Ill bet it's the first track to get dropped when the setlist changes.

[bluemustard]

Going through the youtubes now. Beautiful girls sounds pretty good with backing vox. :gulp:



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EInSM882jqQ

[bluemustard]

beautiful girls,just a gigilo,big train and tobacco road were the best vocals imho
more show tunes and covers and van halen stuff in his vocal range. The string on the mic is weird. The shoestrings on his pants n stuff hahaha

[bluemustard]

the prerecorded backing vox is cool lol guitarplayer nails it too (it sounds prerecorded the vox..or am i wrong?)
pananma is pretty ok too.

[Vinnie Velvet]

From what I've heard so far, Dave sounded great on Gigilo, Jamie's Cryn' and a few others. Better than 2015.

He is what he is at this point. I imagine he sounds fine live rather than watching youtube clips.

The band is really good - especially the guitar players. I dont think there are prerecorded backing vox - but who knows.

Drummer was ok - but hes no Bissonette or Ray Luzier.

[Seshmeister]

the prerecorded backing vox is cool lol guitarplayer nails it too (it sounds prerecorded the vox..or am i wrong?)
pananma is pretty ok too.

Yeah the backing vocals sound suspiciously perfect to me and I agree the guitarist is doing a great job.

I see a lot of negativity online about these videos but I bet it was much better in the room than on YouTube and everything apart from Dave's vocals on some of the songs is good. :)

The verses on DTNA grate so much that you are still smarting from them and forget to notice how well Beautiful Girls or Tobacco Road are working.

[Kristy]

Did my goddamnest to try to listen to Roth's dismal podcast while it lasted. Asshat could not stay on a subject for more than 22 seconds. Now ask yourself what fool would want to see something like that live in a plastic shithole like Vegas?

Face it, your guitar god is slowly dying of cancer, your homoerotic singer lacks any talent and your life has gone absolutely nowhere in the past 40 years.

Good news it there is some new scam going around where "on-line therapist" are willing to listen to your Van Halen disappointment stories for a rather hefty fee. Give them a call or text or what the fuck ever.

Life can get better without Van Halen. You just need to let go.

[Vinnie Velvet]

Yeah the backing vocals sound suspiciously perfect to me and I agree the guitarist is doing a great job.

I see a lot of negativity online about these videos but I bet it was much better in the room than on YouTube and everything apart from Dave's vocals on some of the songs is good. :)

The verses on DTNA grate so much that you are still smarting from them and forget to notice how well Beautiful Girls or Tobacco Road are working.

I mean, what are folks expecting from Roth in 2020?

1984 Dave? LOL

Roth has been putting in the effort - that much is clear. And yes I would imagine seeing the show live is indeed better than watching youtube clips.

There is just an insane online/social media culture of hatred for some things.

[Kristy]

Roth has been putting in the effort - that much is clear.

Maybe he's expecting a good rating from AARP?

[Southpaw]

Looks like he’s having a blast and looks healthy. Great for him. I will admit I was hoping to hear him sound better vocally but I guess it’s as good as could be expected. We all know his history. His band does absolutely nothing for me but I don’t have a degree in instruments ( besides the skin flute). Rock on Dave live your best life!

[Seshmeister]

Drummer was ok - but hes no Bissonette or Ray Luzier.

I'm sure he's very technical but not a 'heavy' flash drummer which you would think the gig would suit better.

Funny you should mention Bissonette...


Michael Musselman is a Los Angeles based drummer for live and studio settings. He studied under Gregg Bissonette (Ringo Starr) and graduated Musicians Institute in 2012. He has worked with Keith Urban, Ryan Cabrera, Magic Giant, Pretty Sister, Figs Vision, Forebear and many more.

This is his own band.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYzIm4R9CSc

[Nitro Express]

Dave is past the sell date.

[Nitro Express]

I mean, what are folks expecting from Roth in 2020?

1984 Dave? LOL

Roth has been putting in the effort - that much is clear. And yes I would imagine seeing the show live is indeed better than watching youtube clips.

There is just an insane online/social media culture of hatred for some things.

Some things? There is internet hatred for all things.

[Nitro Express]

Looks like he’s having a blast and looks healthy. Great for him. I will admit I was hoping to hear him sound better vocally but I guess it’s as good as could be expected. We all know his history. His band does absolutely nothing for me but I don’t have a degree in instruments ( besides the skin flute). Rock on Dave live your best life!

I think skin flute players are the most important players of all. Jimmy Page would agree.

[Nitro Express]

Maybe he's expecting a good rating from AARP?

Dave will be sedated in an assisted living center soon for pressing up against the staff and saying,"That's not a micorphone in my pants, I'm just happy to see you!"

[Nitro Express]

Well it looks like Dr. Rockso is finished. Mr. Wallace was right, age will bite yo ass.


https://youtu.be/BEdUuuKYZ4k

[Seshmeister]

I mean, what are folks expecting from Roth in 2020?

1984 Dave? LOL

Roth has been putting in the effort - that much is clear. And yes I would imagine seeing the show live is indeed better than watching youtube clips.

There is just an insane online/social media culture of hatred for some things.

Some of it is people are just used to artists miming to lesser or greater degrees so when they hear one that isn't they can't take it. I'm sure say that guy from Queen isn't but he's young. For many of the older artists it's not complete miming but the guy on the desk fades in more of a recorded vocal at the bits where he knows or hears the singer struggle. In the case of say Madonna that's whenever she is dancing, Simon Le Bon anything high, Ozzy when it sounds in tune, you get the idea.

Even the often cited Jagger who is basically a freak of nature at the very least gets help from that black backing singer guy.

I'm not saying that's the only issue with Dave's vocals but it's a definite factor on some of the YouTube comments and elsewhere.

Seems to me as usual the reviews from publications that actually sent someone to the gig are the most positive about it.

[Jetstream]

One can always get a truthful expression from a show live only being their in the flesh so to speak. I have seen Dave numerous times and for instance his 2015 shows did have their moments of 'god lord' what was that good and bad but live some of what is expressed on a internet video makes it appear worse maybe due to the fact you do not have the proper equipment to get an electronic audio at the right levels with not just the voice, but the acoustics, and the entire wall of sound of the band itself in a coherent whole. I think he sounded just fine on tunes like "Big Train" and his only major flaw is his need to yelp or try an obscure high octave from time to time. He handled Jump pretty well and kept it within a decent range. I think he has forged an alternative alteration to "Dance The Night Away" which probably would have sounded better than the original but he cannot now pull it off but the idea of what he rather it would have sounded like cannot escape him though he no longer has the chops to do the whole song consistently in that manner... for a old fart, he's doing the best he can and looks happy which is good for him

[Heater]

As Ed himself said the first time ol' Dave tried a Vegas run, "the magic is gone". It still is.

[Nitro Express]

One can always get a truthful expression from a show live only being their in the flesh so to speak. I have seen Dave numerous times and for instance his 2015 shows did have their moments of 'god lord' what was that good and bad but live some of what is expressed on a internet video makes it appear worse maybe due to the fact you do not have the proper equipment to get an electronic audio at the right levels with not just the voice, but the acoustics, and the entire wall of sound of the band itself in a coherent whole. I think he sounded just fine on tunes like "Big Train" and his only major flaw is his need to yelp or try an obscure high octave from time to time. He handled Jump pretty well and kept it within a decent range. I think he has forged an alternative alteration to "Dance The Night Away" which probably would have sounded better than the original but he cannot now pull it off but the idea of what he rather it would have sounded like cannot escape him though he no longer has the chops to do the whole song consistently in that manner... for a old fart, he's doing the best he can and looks happy which is good for him

Dave is enthusiastic and frisky but he can’t get it up and in. If you are in the audience you are like the woman he took home.

[Nitro Express]

As Ed himself said the first time ol' Dave tried a Vegas run, "the magic is gone". It still is.

Ed said he actually cried when he saw Dave’s Vegas schtick on Leno. Well Dave burned his bridges with the Van Halen’s good this time but it doesn’t matter because those guys are a bunch of old fucks too. Not everybody is like The Stones. Van Halen was young high energy. That’s hard to pull off when you are in your 60’s. Dave is like watching some old fart NBA hot shot try and play hoop like he did when he was in his 20’s.

[Nitro Express]

Van Halen was great. They just got old. Dave still wants the old glory. He’s still a pirate on the prowl for booty. It’s just no longer entertaining watching him in his ego fueled quests anymore.

[Kristy]

As Ed himself said the first time ol' Dave tried a Vegas run, "the magic is gone". It still is.

It's been over 43 years, people!

Time to move on.

A lot has change in the world such as...many of you might have missed this:


https://youtu.be/vwrU8s-M-gc



Check into it sometime. You'll find it an eye opening experience.
By the way, "Frank" is an asshole.

[Seshmeister]

I think the videos taken right from below Roth are picking up a his vocal monitor and sound way worse due to the mix. Stage sound is always way shittier than elsewhere so those versions of the worst sung songs like JLP from that persons phone are now all over the social media with people astonished at how shit they think it is.

I know I'll just sound like an apologist but it's not a fair representation to find the worst footage of the worst sung songs and is kind of irritating to watch the trial by phone YouTube but whatever. It's kind of difficult to weigh into a Facebook thread of 20 people to explain that and say 'it's not complete shit its just a bit sub par and over half the set is totally fine considering'. :)

Also good to see live keyboards for the first time in how long which made me start to wonder if it's possible the backing vocals are live just really well rehearsed - with 4 people it's not impossible.

[lesfunk]

That vocal performance is indefensible.

[silverfish]

UCL reports:

"The 65-year-old Roth was energetic, enthusiastic and engaging throughout,
understandably skipping most of the acrobatics and dancing of previous tours.
Sometimes he also missed notes, cues or occasionally, entire verses - most
notably on "California Girls," during which he broke out his now-famous "I
forgot the fucking words" apology."

Wonder if Eddie Trunk thinks DLR really forgot the words to CA Girls or maybe
now he's finally in on the joke?...

https://ultimateclassicrock.com/david-lee-roth-vegas-opening-night-set-list/

[Nitro Express]

That vocal performance is indefensible.

If you have to actually stop and analyze if it’s good, it’s not good. A good performance should automatically wow you.

[Nitro Express]

My advice to Dave. It’s over dude. Start pimping your skin care products. You invested a lot of money into that. Sell it! You’re Jewish for hell sakes. Show Sammy you are a better salesman than he is.

[Baby's On Fire]

My advice to Dave. It’s over dude. Start pimping your skin care products. You invested a lot of money into that. Sell it! You’re Jewish for hell sakes. Show Sammy you are a better salesman than he is.

I couldn't agree more.

Even back to the Slawterhouse days, I was saying Dave is done. He hasn't sung a note since ALAE.

I got slammed for saying it then, but I was right, wasn't I?

Dave should have gone out on top as far as singing. He had and still has many other talents I admire.

Singing is none ofthem. He sounds awful.

[Seshmeister]

Wonder if Eddie Trunk thinks DLR really forgot the words to CA Girls or maybe
now he's finally in on the joke?...



I think on this occasion it was genuine I think he missed his cue and got lost in the first verse.

Would that spoil the show for anyone?

[Jérôme Frenchise]

I've always felt embarrassed with his forgetting the lyrics. Never made me laugh: I've always thought Dave wasn't doing the hardest thing on stage ( except for the acrobatics :D ), pisses me when, listening to a bootleg, he misses his part, while the other three are delivering... But hey, that's part of Dave's performance, can't help it.

Can't help yelping it, too, these days.

[Kristy]

Roth is 65????

[Vinnie Velvet]

Dave actually sang Big Train, Tobacco Road, and Mean Street fairly well.

He needs to lay off the high register. I don't think he really means to go there all the time.

He does when he feels like he has to belt out the song like on the album. But for some tunes that aint gonna work. Hell he never sang those tunes like on the album back in the day anyway.

He most certainly can still sing better than Coverdale and Stanley. So why should Dave hang it up? I say keep going.

Fuck the haters.

ROTH ON.

[So this is love]

I wouldn`t consider myself a "hater" but it seems the standard for these rock singers is getting lower and lower as they age...unless these youtube clips are not really representative of the live performance...

[Vinnie Velvet]

I just watched Big Train from the first show again.

Dave is really good on this one. Again, if he stays within a certain range and away from too much yelping.

If he has trouble with DTNA, just drop it already. Replace it with another solo jam. How about Little Texas from DLR Band?

[78/84 guy]

I see a lot of effort. By everyone but the singer.....pack it in Dave. Or put in some effort like 07/08. Sad.

[lesfunk]

The problem, as I see it, is that he gets this big promotional ball rolling, then doesn’t bother to personally prepare, either by taking care of his voice, learning the lyrics or apparently even rehearsing much. The band is obviously tight, rehearsed and competent.
I’ll bet he rehearsed with them maybe once or twice tops .

Roth blew a big opportuninity to make a strong first impression.

Maybe he thinks he’ll get over by just being “Dave”
It won’t work as well as he thinks it will.
There’s still a market for that old Van Halen. People will buy it but it can’t suck as much as it did Wednesday or it’s gonna be a short summer

[Terry]

Meh.

Band was adequate. Backing vocals sounded piped in. Lead vocals didn't.

Vocally, about what I expected. Lots of yelping.

[Seshmeister]

The problem, as I see it, is that he gets this big promotional ball rolling, then doesn’t bother to personally prepare, either by taking care of his voice, learning the lyrics or apparently even rehearsing much. The band is obviously tight, rehearsed and competent.
I’ll bet he rehearsed with them maybe once or twice tops .

I know you play live too regularly and I'm sure you are correct on this.

It's seems not coincidental that on the first Van Halen 'Reunion' tour back in 2007/8 that Dave was the best he had been since the early 80s after being in rehearsals for 2 months with the Van Halens.

He is on record saying that since he has been singing these songs for so long he can just turn up and do it. My defence of him in this thread is just that there has been a lot of hyperbole going on about meh vocal performance being exaggerated to being the worst thing ever. That coupled with people posting online about it and the Ki$$ tour support without them realizing that he's singing and they are miming.

[lesfunk]

It’s more than just poor vocal performance
I saw him missing cues that the rest of the band had obviously rehearsed, , fumbling around with the lyrics, singing the wrong verses at the wrong time, sloppy interplay with the rest of the group.
Yes, Roth has historically used mumbling and “forgetting the fucking words” as shtick, but this didn’t feel like that. This just seemed sloppy and slapdash
Yes, a lot of this looseness “gets worked out” with repeated performance, but in today’s cell phone, social media climate, this opening show was the biggest opportunity to show the people (who are still interested enough to potentially buy another ticket) that here’s a show worth seeing.
I fear that he managed to to little more than reinforce the negativity of his detractors and possibly caused a reduction in future ticked sales.
Personally, I did not go to see the 2015 Van Halen tour presicely because the Tokyo Dome album was released first and I got to hear it.
I didn’t like what I heard on that live album and it cost Van Halen a ticket sale on my behalf

[Baby's On Fire]

How can Dave not realize that he sounds awful? What's wrong with him? His ego doesn't seem as huge as when he deserved to have a huge ego, so how can he not realize he has become a joke? He is unlistenable and unwatchable.

I'm embarrassed for him. Maybe his voice gave Eddie cancer.

[Seshmeister]

Usually you only post drunk at the start of the week.

[Baby's On Fire]

Usually you only post drunk at the start of the week.

You're an idiot. Dave sounds so bad it's unbelievable.

Maybe your Scottish kilt (woman's dress) is too big and it's covering your ears. It definitely muffles your brain.

[lesfunk]

Maybe his voice gave Eddie cancer.

Yeah, but that was funny

[Seshmeister]

It’s more than just poor vocal performance
I saw him missing cues that the rest of the band had obviously rehearsed, , fumbling around with the lyrics, singing the wrong verses at the wrong time, sloppy interplay with the rest of the group.
Yes, Roth has historically used mumbling and “forgetting the fucking words” as shtick, but this didn’t feel like that. This just seemed sloppy and slapdash
Yes, a lot of this looseness “gets worked out” with repeated performance, but in today’s cell phone, social media climate, this opening show was the biggest opportunity to show the people (who are still interested enough to potentially buy another ticket) that here’s a show worth seeing.
I fear that he managed to to little more than reinforce the negativity of his detractors and possibly caused a reduction in future ticked sales.
Personally, I did not go to see the 2015 Van Halen tour presicely because the Tokyo Dome album was released first and I got to hear it.
I didn’t like what I heard on that live album and it cost Van Halen a ticket sale on my behalf

All true but in the room well worth $50 at Vegas prices. :)

As a 'normal' person I find it weird that Dave clearly must spend literally fucking dozens of hours in the gym to keep that shit together but won't do band practice. Most people enjoy band rehearsals and view the gym as a necessary evil.

[lesfunk]

I’ll see what tonight’s YouTube brings me

[lesfunk]

All true but in the room well worth $50 at Vegas prices. :)

As a 'normal' person I find it weird that Dave clearly must spend literally fucking dozens of hours in the gym to keep that shit together but won't do band practice. Most people enjoy band rehearsals and view the gym as a necessary evil.
Honestly I don’t enjoy either. But rehearsal is important when the stakes are high

[Baby's On Fire]

When Eddie dies from his cancer, the headlines will read: David Lee Roth killed Eddie Van Halen. It jut took him 13 year to do it. It wasn't the metal pick in hsi mouth. It was the DLR vocal frequency.

Absolutely fucking awful to try and listen to this.

[Seshmeister]

Some things to consider on this especially if you are the Baby's On Fire character or similar.

Roth is a multi millionaire and doesn't need to do this. A bunch of people are happy to go along to his show and in the room loud it will sound way better than it does recorded on a phone beside a vocal monitor. Plus you will hopefully be a bit drunk and entering into a nostalgia that you aren't pushing 50 and likely to be dead soon enough.

If he wasn't playing then there would be a substantial amount of people complaining he wasn't like the Led Zep people.

I'm not saying in any way don't criticize but sometimes this is a bit like you are walking along and see an advertisement for piano lessons and you go home and call the number screaming down the line 'I DON'T WANT FUCKING PIANO LESSONS!'

[Seshmeister]

Honestly I don’t enjoy either. But rehearsal is important when the stakes are high

Really? I'm in 2 bands but it doesn't feed and clothe me so if I didn't enjoy rehearsals I don't think I would do it.

[Baby's On Fire]

Some things to consider on this especially if you are the Baby's On Fire character or similar.

Roth is a multi millionaire and doesn't need to do this. A bunch of people are happy to go along to his show and in the room loud it will sound way better than it does recorded on a phone beside a vocal monitor. Plus you will hopefully be a bit drunk and entering into a nostalgia that you aren't pushing 50 and likely to be dead soon enough.

If he wasn't playing then there would be a substantial amount of people complaining he wasn't like the Led Zep people.

I'm not saying in any way don't criticize but sometimes this is a bit like you are walking along and see an advertisement for piano lessons and you go home and call the number screaming down the line 'I DON'T WANT FUCKING PIANO LESSONS!'

Yeah I know. I agree. He doesn't need to do this. "Do this" means embarrass the fuck out of himself and destroy his awesome legacy. His ego won't allow him to go out on top.

What the fuck is wrong with this guy? He is the ultimate rock god, and is making a fool of himself.

He has many talents and an amazing lifestyle. And he chooses to pretend he is still Diamond Dave. He literally sounds like some guy off the street doing Karaoke on his own songs.

[Seshmeister]

Yeah I know. I agree. He doesn't need to do this. "Do this" means embarrass the fuck out of himself and destroy his awesome legacy. His ego won't allow him to go out on top.

What the fuck is wrong with this guy? He is the ultimate rock god, and is making a fool of himself.

He has many talents and an amazing lifestyle. And he chooses to pretend he is still Diamond Dave. He literally sounds like some guy off the street doing Karaoke on his own songs.

I think that's why you are so upset, you seem to still as a middle aged man worship him in a weird fanboy way. That makes you resent him inevitably not being as good as he once was now he is in his mid 60s.

[Baby's On Fire]

Dave should release a remix: Yelp The Night Away or Strangled Frog The Night Away.

Fucking unbelievable that he would go in front of people with that horrible noise and not realize it.

[lesfunk]

Really? I'm in 2 bands but it doesn't feed and clothe me so if I didn't enjoy rehearsals I don't think I would do it.
It’s true. I do almost all of my preparation On my own in advance .
I work with different groups with other people who also work in different groups.
In my world Rehearsals are few and far between.
They’re a scheduling nightmare way too often.
I don’t hate rehearsing per se, but it’s often impractical .
I’ve gone on tours with no prior rehearsal. It can be anxious.

[Baby's On Fire]

I think that's why you are so upset, you seem to still as a middle aged man worship him in a weird fanboy way. That makes you resent him inevitably not being as good as he once was now he is in his mid 60s.

You're an incoherent drunken idiot. As usual. Dave sounds like fucking shit. He has since 1993. Case closed.

His accomplishments are amazing. And still going strong in other areas (mountaineering n his 60's, for example).

But he needs to end his singing career. Them days long long long gone

[Seshmeister]

https://media.makeameme.org/created/ayyyye-you-965vwm.jpg

[Baby's On Fire]

About what I expected from your intellect. Go iron your kilt (Dress).

Any man saying a kilt is not a dress probably carries a "murse" and refuses to accept he's carrying a purse.

Does your purse match your dress?

[Nitro Express]

How can Dave not realize that he sounds awful? What's wrong with him? His ego doesn't seem as huge as when he deserved to have a huge ego, so how can he not realize he has become a joke? He is unlistenable and unwatchable.

I'm embarrassed for him. Maybe his voice gave Eddie cancer.

It’s called ego and Dave has a big one. Dave is like the old dude that forgets to put on his pants when he goes out to get the mail but he still thinks he can ride the motorcycle in the garage and if he could remember where the keys are he would try.

[lesfunk]

It’s still early but no videos have shown up of tonight’s show yet.
I wonder if (after all the backlash) a memo was sent down from on high?

[twonabomber]

Backing vocals sounded piped in.

I thought so, too. The way they sit in the mix...sounds like a triggered audio clip.

[Jetstream]

Piece of advice David on behalf of the Legacy of that 'Dave!!!' guy. Release that damn John 5 LP like now. I am not talking money but at least one thing which actually sounds really good before you butcher any interest with this current expression you're putting on stage

[silverfish]

I think on this occasion it was genuine I think he missed his cue and got lost in the first verse.


I posted my Trunk comment having not watched the CA Girls clip. I assumed the
UCR "forgot the words" was referencing one of DLRs stock concert lines ("Look at
all the people here tonight"). Clearly that wasn't the case. I watched (most of) 4
clips - CA Girls, YRGM, DTNA, and Unchained (one of my favorite VH songs.) Just
couldn't finish watching any of them and didn't make me wanna watch any others.

If I was drunk and in Vegas, I might be enjoying the show. Definitely the music and
maybe giving the vocals a boozy (on my part) pass. My suggestion - DLR should just
be talking all the lyrics (the ones he can remember) and not even try to sing. Don't
try to hit any notes - just use whatever growly voice he has left and talk 'em out. I
think it'd go a lot further than his "singing" does.

I hope these Vegas shows aren't any sort of "audition" for the KISS tour. If that's the
case Dave might find he's suddenly got some free time on his hands come February...

[Seshmeister]

I hope these Vegas shows aren't any sort of "audition" for the KISS tour. If that's the
case Dave might find he's suddenly got some free time on his hands come February...

You don't choose a support band based on how they sound, it's a business decision.

Ki$$ will be happy for Dave's vocals to be off as it will just make them look better since 95% of their audience won't even realise they are miming.

If they did know then surely they wouldn't be there...

[ZahZoo]

Finally got to check out the opening night fan videos... I'm glad I didn't waste anytime getting to this. All I can say is...disappointing... Dave could have done far better.

To add to some of the great commentary here... the high register bullshit and yelp nonsense are a product of two factors. Dave thinking he's adding emphasis to that vocal phrase and Dave getting excited, adrenaline kicks in and it all goes to shit... Dave forgets rule number one for vocalists. Let the power amps and the engineer do their job driving the mains. There's no throttle on a mic. Finally... old muscles lose flexibility and with adrenaline, tense up... triple that at 60+ with reduced lung capacity... that diaphragm and vocal chords just can't function smoothly unless they are relaxed. Someone close needs to be straight honest with Dave that his high register shit sounds like he's raping a damn cat and... knock it the fuck off!

Other notes...

Don't blame the smart phones. I've been in that room. It's solid acoustically. They have a top notch sound system. It's small enough that you get an excellent sound spectrum anywhere in the room. You're not hearing floor monitors with those vocals... guitar, bass and drums sound great... vocals are crisp and clean, a little too dry... it's the performance that's poor. I couldn't listen past the first verse & chorus of DTNA... my gawd that sucked elephant ass...

Backing vocals are piped in... they are too consistent, on key and have a thin mix that doesn't sound organic at all. I wouldn't be surprised if Dave was using the prerecorded backing tracks Van Halen used 2007-15 that Ed, Wolfgang and Lukather recorded for the reunion tour.

The supporting band sounded pretty competent, tonally solid and fluid... I'd say the drummer was the weak link. But we've been spoiled with Ray Luzier and Alex VH...

Getting through this initial Vegas run Dave will have some time off and really should revisit recordings of his 2007/8 performances... call up the vocal coach he used leading up to that tour and work on putting a better vocal performance together. I truly believe Dave's capable doing far better... never will achieve his peak again, but could at least make an effort to competently deliver something decent...

[Jérôme Frenchise]

I couldn't listen past the first verse & chorus of DTNA... my gawd that sucked elephant ass...

I couldn't go further than the first 4 lines.

[Terry]

I thought so, too. The way they sit in the mix...sounds like a triggered audio clip.

Like, right off the bat, you could tell: a bit TOO flawless...possibly a blend of triggered audio clips and actual live onstage backing vocals.

[ZahZoo]

Second nite sounds like a better performance...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tuOyhx62yD0&feature=emb_logo

[Terry]

I think that's why you are so upset, you seem to still as a middle aged man worship him in a weird fanboy way. That makes you resent him inevitably not being as good as he once was now he is in his mid 60s.

I dunno if resentment is the word...more along the lines of disappointment combined with puzzlement.

The disappointment (for me, anyway) is pretty much concentrated on his vocals, which sound fucking terrible and the puzzlement is as to why Roth continues to sing the way he does: does nobody have his respect and his ear enough to tell him how bad it sounds? Does he know and just not give a shit as long as he gets paid?

It comes across, certainly in comparison to his heyday, as a slightly pathetic way to wind down a career...fronting a bunch of nobodies, voice shot to shit. Maybe Dave doesn't see it that way. Get no particular pleasure in terms of snark seeing Dave perform like this: guy was one of THE greatest rock frontmen of ALL time in my book.

[Kristy]

Maybe his voice gave Eddie cancer.

Yeah, but that was funny


You know Eddie will be the next to go.


Here's my 5 predicts for dead rock stars in 2020

1. Eddie Van Halen
2. Robert Fripp
3. Tommy James
4. Donovan
5. Daryl Hall

[lesfunk]

Tommy James? I thought he was already dead. He look it in the last pic I saw

[Kristy]

He looks like a former roadie for Spinal Tap
https://ridgefieldplayhouse.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/Tommy-James-and-the-Shondells-Featured-1.jpg

...and he can still sing way better than Roth.


My GAWD! Roth sounds like he's trying to puke back up the little bit of Listerine in his throat. Sounds like he rehearsed his squealing from days a little Geisha girl was pegging him in Japan. Dave Ghan is what, 58? and that junkie can sing. Roth needs to look over his retirement plan and stick with it.

[Terry]

Sounds like he rehearsed his squealing from days a little Geisha girl was pegging him in Japan.

Now THERE'S an image...yikes.

[Terry]

I mean, it's one thing to wind down his performing career fronting Van Halen Mach 4, playing to 15k audiences: even though it wasn't CVH, at least Roth would have been able to say sayonara with a modicum of dignity befitting the legend of what he and Van Halen did all those years ago.

To open for KISS circa 2020 with his Classic Van Halen Experience Featuring Wacky Uncle Dave motif? Seems (at least a) step backward from what Dave had been doing from 2006 through 2015. Though I guess, truth be told, Roth's career path forward was probably only going to really matter unless he was fronting Van Halen, anyway: that "hey, man, all Dave has to do is put together a slammin' new group with John 5...or reunite the EEAS lineup, and THEN Dave will be back on top again" fantasy was just that...a fantasy.

Roth had his time, in terms of real excellence. If the guy can still manage to get somebody to pay him for what he is doing now, good for him. I'm not gonna confuse Roth's continuing ability to get paid with a musical output that is worth hearing, though. To each their own, I suppose, but even if people out there enjoy what Dave is doing live these days and their enjoyment isn't my business one way or the other...I honestly can't understand what attendees of Roth's gigs now are seeing in what he's bringing re: the enjoyment factor. I understand it even less if said attendees were lucky enough to have seen Roth performing during his peak and still find anything to applaud with what he's doing these days.

[Silexxx]

Sounds much better already.


https://youtu.be/QjrJQUAzpYg

[78/84 guy]

I agree. He seemed to try and reel in that high register shit. Stop that bullshit. And stop singing shit you can't anymore and he might be on to something. I won't hold my breath....

[Seshmeister]

Set changes.

Atomic Punk gone, he calmed the excesses on DTNA still wobbly, added RWTD.

Added Ice Cream Man, Pretty Woman, Everybody Wants Some.

[Terry]

I'd say the 2nd show sounded much more along the lines of what Dave SHOULD be doing live, vocally, than the first: just gotta sing the tunes, not yell them.

'Bout the only real wobbly moment was Just Like Paradise, where (much like the first night) Dave was yellin' and yelpin' the tune: agree with 78/84 guy in that the tunes Dave has trouble singing should be dropped. Just ditch them for other tunes that work better vocally. Because it's Dave that the people are coming to see and hear now: he isn't surrounded by a superstar lineup a la EEAS. Nobody really particularly cares about the backing band beyond them performing the tunes competently (it's not like anybody at this point is gonna be floored with some guitar player nailing Eddie's licks note-for-note perfect these days, 'specially when seemingly any 8 year old on youtube has a video of them playing Eruption). And if one tune doesn't work for Dave vocally these days, it's not like he has a shortage of CVH/Roth solo tunes to alternate with.

I will say I thought Big Train sounded quite good. Sort of mildly amusing that the Jump encore contained nary a physical jump to accompany it, but...there will come a day when youth will pass away...

Humulayzeeboolaybop!