Trump Impeachment

[Seshmeister]

I'm on catch up with this but Giuliani is fucking nuts at this point. If you were a black kid on death row and he had been your public defender that would be enough to get you off.

If he was Nixon's lawyer he would have been on TV saying how they did Watergate and are now covering it up.

WTF happened to that guy? Is it mental illness or is he on something?

[Nitro Express]

I'm on catch up with this but Giuliani is fucking nuts at this point. If you were a black kid on death row and he had been your public defender that would be enough to get you off.

If he was Nixon's lawyer he would have been on TV saying how they did Watergate and are now covering it up.

WTF happened to that guy? Is it mental illness or is he on something?

Rudy is 75 and has been treated for cancer. You can tell he’s not as mentally sharp as he was when he served as Mayor of NYC and certainly not as sharp as when he was a federal prosecutor.

Rudy was basically a prosecutor out to make a name for himself. He went after big crooks on Wall Street and he went after the mob. Rudy is a driven guy and driven guy’s have big egos.

They take those egos into old age and those of us who have or had driven fathers who started to lose their mental capacity know what it’s like to deal with the ego plus dimentia.

I think that’s where Rudy is. His mind is starting to go and he makes no sense but he has to show what a tough guy he is. What can I say. We have a bunch of old egomaniacs thinking they can run things. We got Trump and his crazy lawyer. We have demented Biden thinking he can be president. Before that we had fall down Hillary shooting for the big seat. Then we have a stuttering Nancy Pelosi as speaker of the house and a aging turtle as Senate majority leader.

All these people are old and who knows what kind of medication they are on. But hell. I’m not too impressed with the young people seeking power either so you can’t win. Look at most the world’s leadership. Not much to be impressed about.

[Seshmeister]

Look at most the world’s leadership. Not much to be impressed about.

This we can agree on. When you realize that the 3 people in charge of the most deadly nuclear weapons are Trump, Putin and Boris Johnson...

Men taking the ego into their old age while their brains fail is a good point. In the US case why have a minimum age for president but no maximum?

[twonabomber]

Yeah...Rudy's just old. Maybe snorted too much of that WTC dust.

[Nitro Express]

This we can agree on. When you realize that the 3 people in charge of the most deadly nuclear weapons are Trump, Putin and Boris Johnson...

Men taking the ego into their old age while their brains fail is a good point. In the US case why have a minimum age for president but no maximum?

Because age usually wasn’t a problem. Now with modern medicine people live longer. Then you have the problem the old geezors in power have to vote for a old age limit. Not going to happen.

In theory the people should be able to take care of such problems with elections but we have political parties that keep popular candidates off the ballot and all sorts of other fun and games.

I think we have a corruption problem and oddly enough people don’t worry about nuclear weapons anymore. They are more worried about plastic straws.

I will be frank. We have a leadership crisis in the western world. We have a bunch of bozos in power and frankly I don’t see anyone better on the menu to replace them with. Right now we have a bunch of bozos fighting and trying to undermine each other over who get’s to run things. On top of that we are in a new Cold War racing to build more and more effective weapons. We are in a race to weaponize space and in a race to build hypersonic delivery systems and fast underwater drones.

There is an old saying. The more things change the more they stay the same.

[Nitro Express]

Oh well. Have a drink and enjoy the Rudy Gulliani and Adam Schiff show. Pelosi is sounding more like Porky the Pig the older she get’s. Hillary is going back on television. Maybe ol fall down will give it another run. Meanwhile we can listen to George Conway and Mitt Romney vent how much they hate Trump. Both need a blow job.

[Nickdfresh]

Oh well. Have a drink and enjoy the Rudy Gulliani and Adam Schiff show. Pelosi is sounding more like Porky the Pig the older she get’s. Hillary is going back on television. Maybe ol fall down will give it another run. Meanwhile we can listen to George Conway and Mitt Romney vent how much they hate Trump. Both need a blow job.

Ultimately it's the Trump show, he's the fucking retarded clown that keeps pursuing debunked conspiracy theories that his OWN staff told him to move on from. You would think that maybe after an investigation of Russia's interference in elections that Trump just might not make really fucking stupid and self-incriminating calls like this (and this is the only one that is generally known). Or maybe he shouldn't tell the Russian foreign minister that it's okay that they interfered in our elections because we do it too, which isn't really true. I guess everyone else is the problem, not the fucking assclown masquerading as a president...

[Nitro Express]

Ultimately it's the Trump show, he's the fucking retarded clown that keeps pursuing debunked conspiracy theories that his OWN staff told him to move on from. You would think that maybe after an investigation of Russia's interference in elections that Trump just might not make really fucking stupid and self-incriminating calls like this (and this is the only one that is generally known). Or maybe he shouldn't tell the Russian foreign minister that it's okay that they interfered in our elections because we do it too, which isn't really true. I guess everyone else is the problem, not the fucking assclown masquerading as a president...

Watching all these liars try and undermine each other is entertainment gold. You can’t make this shit up.

[Seshmeister]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0KjDdmzHiMw

[Nickdfresh]

You mentioned Schiff, but what about Trump's epic meltdown that is starting? He wants to arrest congressmen now? LMFALO!!!


Trump suggests intel chairman should be arrested for 'treason'
Reuters Reuters•September 30, 2019
WASHINGTON, Sept 30 (Reuters) - U.S. President Donald Trump

on Monday escalated his attacks against the lawmaker leading the
impeachment inquiry against him, suggesting that Representative
Adam Schiff be arrested for "treason....


https://news.yahoo.com/1-trump-suggests-intel-chairman-125848828.html?.tsrc=notification-brknews

[Nitro Express]

It’s a freak show all around. Schiff tells a bunch of fabricated lies and immediately gets caught. Now evidence is surfacing that he’s involved with a Ukrainian arms dealer. Biden is on video admitting he used his influence to get the prosecutor fired. So Biden is guilty but there are plenty of politicians who use their children to do deals that show a conflict of interest. How do you think these people get so rich serving in office?

All this is media film flam. I heard the same thing about the Mueller investigation and the media buzzed all over that and it turned out to be nothing.

As far as Trump goes he’s avoided getting us into another war so far. It’s funny watching all these other liars and under the table deal makers go after him. It’s entertaining as hell. Trump getting elected has been entertainment gold and as far as our problems go, they existed long before Orange Man got into office. If he ever does build a Trump golf resort on the beautiful southeast shore of North Korea I will laugh my ass off.

Hell. I have zero say in who the president of the United States is. Unless you live in a swing state and your vote tipped the scale you really have no effect on who the president is going to be. This is just shit people argue over just to argue. Democrat vs Republican. Ha! Ha! They both are crooked.

[Nickdfresh]

It’s a freak show all around. Schiff tells a bunch of fabricated lies and immediately gets caught.

Which ones? Where? Can we have a source other than the fox news and conspiracy shit you love so much?


Now evidence is surfacing that he’s involved with a Ukrainian arms dealer. Biden is on video admitting he used his influence to get the prosecutor fired. So Biden is guilty but there are plenty of politicians who use their children to do deals that show a conflict of interest. How do you think these people get so rich serving in office?

Feel free to provide any sort of source for this...Plenty maybe, but Biden was investigated and wasn't charged because it's a baseless conspiracy theory rooted solely in conjecture and what Drumpf wants to believe...


All this is media film flam. I heard the same thing about the Mueller investigation and the media buzzed all over that and it turned out to be nothing.


It isn't "nothing", he could very well be impeached for that report alone if the Republican Party wasn't a bunch of suck-dicks that hate themselves every day for being servile douchebags to this cunt...


As far as Trump goes he’s avoided getting us into another war so far. It’s funny watching all these other liars and under the table deal makers go after him. It’s entertaining as hell. Trump getting elected has been entertainment gold and as far as our problems go, they existed long before Orange Man got into office. If he ever does build a Trump golf resort on the beautiful southeast shore of North Korea I will laugh my ass off.

Wow. what an accomplishment. He talks bellicosely then carries a small stick and undermines any credibility we have because he's a weak piss twitter douche...


Hell. I have zero say in who the president of the United States is. Unless you live in a swing state and your vote tipped the scale you really have no effect on who the president is going to be. This is just shit people argue over just to argue. Democrat vs Republican. Ha! Ha! They both are crooked.

I know, but it seems you act like you're an unbiased observer then only attack the Democrats while mindlessly defending trump...

[Seshmeister]

It does seem a repeating pattern that Nitro will join a thread here and be totally reasonable and then goes away and watches some Fox News or something and comes back the next day with a bunch of confused false equivalency stuff. :)

[Nickdfresh]

And maybe Biden's son is a coattails riding dick, fair enough he probably is actually, but if you feel that way then what about these stupid dickbags?:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/resizer/lEYXJcUwgG4HC6iZDYRwQLK4038=/1484x0/arc-anglerfish-washpost-prod-washpost.s3.amazonaws.com/public/QFADQFEO4EI6TLPT64HXRQKW5A.jpg

[ZahZoo]

It does seem a repeating pattern that Nitro will join a thread here and be totally reasonable and then goes away and watches some Fox News or something and comes back the next day with a bunch of confused false equivalency stuff. :)

It's really tough to follow any of the multiple circuses going on in Washington these days... Just got back from a trip to Curacao in the southwestern Caribbean. The airBnB place we stayed had some wacky satellite TV service... it picked up CNN in English and had Fox News but no sound... got about the same amount relevant news from both channels... LOL. Watched BBC World instead...

All I can say there's some really concerning things going on in the world and it ain't the Trump impeachment circus!!

[Nitro Express]

It's really tough to follow any of the multiple circuses going on in Washington these days... Just got back from a trip to Curacao in the southwestern Caribbean. The airBnB place we stayed had some wacky satellite TV service... it picked up CNN in English and had Fox News but no sound... got about the same amount relevant news from both channels... LOL. Watched BBC World instead...

All I can say there's some really concerning things going on in the world and it ain't the Trump impeachment circus!!

Yeah. I try to make it over to Hong Kong every couple of years. Don’t think I will be going over this year.

[ZahZoo]

Yeah Hong Kong is a mess... along with Israel... North Korea is building nuclear capable super subs... etc...

[Nitro Express]

Yeah Hong Kong is a mess... along with Israel... North Korea is building nuclear capable super subs... etc...

North Korea is just a puppet to China. China played nice for 40 years. We outsourced our industry to them. Our presidents gave them our military technology. They infiltrated us and bought off our government officials and politicians.

Now they have pulled their mask off. I think China will take Hong Kong and make it part of the PRC. They will start threatening Taiwan. They are throwing their weight around in the South China Sea.

We were told the 21st century belongs to China and we can trust them because they are non-aggressive. Some bullshit they successfully got our university professors to parrot.

Ha! Ha! People are going to see the real world is much different than what they were told it was going to be.

[Nickdfresh]

North Korea is just a puppet to China.

Em, no, they aren't actually. China has some influence but DPRK is hardly a Chinese puppet, they annoy the Chicoms as much as they annoy us, maybe more. The refugee/illegal immigrant situation causes headaches for the Chinese. There has been talk that if the North attacked the South that the Chinese PLA might invade the North to prevent them from using nukes....


China played nice for 40 years. We outsourced our industry to them. Our presidents gave them our military technology. They infiltrated us and bought off our government officials and politicians.

A bit of hyperbole to say the least, the Chinese have always been listed as a potential enemy, but you like your cheap shit at Walmart as much as I do...


Now they have pulled their mask off. I think China will take Hong Kong and make it part of the PRC. They will start threatening Taiwan. They are throwing their weight around in the South China Sea.

Maybe but don't speak of China as if it is a truly unified state with no internal issues, they have many and can't just easily drop everything, their economy is already beginning the transition away from manufacturer to outsourcer and it is now probably close to declining a bit...


We were told the 21st century belongs to China and we can trust them because they are non-aggressive. Some bullshit they successfully got our university professors to parrot.

Who the fuck ever said that?


Ha! Ha! People are going to see the real world is much different than what they were told it was going to be.

It always is, but you ain't calling it apparently...

[Nitro Express]

Em, no, they aren't actually. China has some influence but DPRK is hardly a Chinese puppet, they annoy the Chicoms as much as they annoy us, maybe more. The refugee/illegal immigrant situation causes headaches for the Chinese. There has been talk that if the North attacked the South that the Chinese PLA might invade the North to prevent them from using nukes....



A bit of hyperbole to say the least, the Chinese have always been listed as a potential enemy, but you like your cheap shit at Walmart as much as I do...



Maybe but don't speak of China as if it is a truly unified state with no internal issues, they have many and can't just easily drop everything, their economy is already beginning the transition away from manufacturer to outsourcer and it is now probably close to declining a bit...



Who the fuck ever said that?



It always is, but you ain't calling it apparently...

Spent part of my childhood in Hong Kong. Know a lot more about China and Asia than you do. Ask any US intelligence officer who has experience with North Korea and China if North Korea is a puppet state of China. Google China belongs to the 21st Century. This has been a common theme in business schools since the 1990’s.

As far as Walmart goes never set a foot in one ever.

[Nickdfresh]

Spent part of my childhood in Hong Kong.

Sure buddy...


Know a lot more about China and Asia than you do.

All evidence to the contrary...


Ask any US intelligence officer who has experience with North Korea and China if North Korea is a puppet state of China. Google China belongs to the 21st Century. This has been a common theme in business schools since the 1990’s.

I was in South Korea, you knob, STFU...


As far as Walmart goes never set a foot in one ever.

I go for the auto stuff only pretty much...

[Nickdfresh]

Here's a "Google" result: https://www.latrobe.edu.au/nest/whats-chinas-relationship-north-korea-really-like/


What’s China’s relationship with North Korea really like?

The latest nuclear test by North Korea has focused the world’s attention on China. Much of the international community believes China is key to making North Korea behave. But just how powerfully can China pressure its only ally?

La Trobe’s Nick Bisley, Professor of International Relations and Executive Director of La Trobe Asia, unpacks their tricky partnership to reveal the limits to China’s control.

An uneasy partnership with geopolitical perks
Since the rapid division of the Korean Peninsula at the end of the Second World War, North Korea has acted as a physical and political buffer between China and US-allied South Korea. China supported North Korea during the Korean War (1950–1953). And in 1961, the Chinese and North Korean governments signed the Sino-North Korean Mutual Aid and Cooperation Friendship Treaty. The treaty formalised their relationship and remains in effect today.

According to Nick, the treaty means China is beholden to help North Korea if an outside military attack occurred. Notwithstanding this, he says, they are ‘uneasy bedfellows’.

“The treaty says, ‘We’re with you, we’ll protect you’. It doesn’t mean they have to like each other,” says Nick.

“Even though North Korea is right next to China, even though China had lost hundreds of thousands of soldiers defending North Korea, they never really got along. Through the Cold War, the principal supporter of North Korea was the Soviet Union, not China.”

Rather than being friendly allies, then, China and North Korea are partners of geopolitical necessity. Their relationship is fraught – historically, even their views on Communism differ. To date, three generations of the Kim family dictatorship have ruled North Korea. This family succession was something former Chinese Communist Party Chairman Mao Tse-Tung ‘completely opposed’.
...

No really a "puppet", eh?

[Seshmeister]

Yeah Hong Kong is a mess... along with Israel... North Korea is building nuclear capable super subs... etc...

I just find it really inconceivable that their nuclear super subs won't be completely shit.

https://www.publicdiplomacycouncil.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/NKmap-2.png

[ZahZoo]

I just find it really inconceivable that their nuclear super subs won't be completely shit.



As long as they equip them with top quality screen doors they'll be fine...

[twonabomber]

The subs built by the drug cartels are probably better quality.

[Terry]

I'm on catch up with this but Giuliani is fucking nuts at this point. If you were a black kid on death row and he had been your public defender that would be enough to get you off.

If he was Nixon's lawyer he would have been on TV saying how they did Watergate and are now covering it up.

WTF happened to that guy? Is it mental illness or is he on something?

Hooking up with Trump is Rudy's last shot at political relevance in terms of proximity to actual power, as opposed to opining on the Fox News channel, or getting paid to speak at various conservative think tank gatherings, or running a consultancy business...all of which are lucrative enough, but not the same as having the ear of the President.

His run at the 2008 GOP nomination demonstrated that he didn't have any national appeal in terms of actually getting elected to power. The Obama years saw Rudy in virtual eclipse in terms of political relevance outside of appearing on tv talking to audiences already inclined to agree with his views, which is to say Giuliani's political relevance, say, post-2008 has been virtually nil.

I will say that once in for Trump, Rudy has been all in. As to why, I sometimes think it can't be as simple as the rationale of getting attention that I laid out, yet I can't think of another reason as to why.

It should be said, though, that even the New Yorkers who applauded Giuliani's tenure as mayor of New York City in terms of the crime rate dropping...there were plenty of them who knew Rudy was an unabashed prick. I mean, look at the way he informed his second wife they were divorcing: via a press conference. It was also telling that Giuliani didn't win the New York primary in 2008 (the one state you'd assume he would be a shoo-in for).

His leadership on the ground in NYC on September 11th, 2001 helped provide a counterweight to the assholish image he had cultivated for himself prior to that day. Eventually, that 9/11 luster wore off, as his dismal performance in the 2007 GOP cycle as the "I was mayor of New York on 9/11" candidate demonstrated. Untethered from having to run for office again, he spent the Obama years claiming Obama didn't love America and was an anti-colonial socialist.

Basically, once it became clear he wasn't going to be elected to anything again, Rudy didn't so much gradually morph into who he is today, but rather was free to be more of who he was all along, minus the (in his case, minimal) amount of restraint most elected officials publicly demonstrate. He and Trump are both of like minds in terms of how they view race and class, plus that tough guy/mafia wannabe New Yorker swagger such men affect to give themselves an aura of manly steel. Plus, they both had better things to do than serve their countries in Vietnam.

It's to Trump's lack of judgment that he thinks Rudy is doing him any good on the legal front. Rudy had, to a degree, been an effective public prosecutor in the 1980s. I've never heard the same applied to Rudy being a cunning legal mind re: as a private defense attorney.

What Rudy, taking a cue from his client, IS doing is attempting to muddy up the waters by making a lot of false equivalency comparisons between Trump and the Bidens re: Ukraine, and throwing a lot of facts out in interviews that are either out of context, or misconstrued, or just plain twisted.

I wonder of Rudy thinks he will be the one person Trump won't discard/throw under the bus no matter what. It'd seem to be a huge error on Giuliani's part to think that Trump wouldn't walk away from [Giuliani] in a heartbeat if Trump determines Rudy no longer serves his purposes.

[Seshmeister]

I wonder of Rudy thinks he will be the one person Trump won't discard/throw under the bus no matter what. It'd seem to be a huge error on Giuliani's part to think that Trump wouldn't walk away from [Giuliani] in a heartbeat if Trump determines Rudy no longer serves his purposes.

I believe that has already happened...

https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2019/10/11/rudy-giuliani-donald-trump-wont-say-if-ex-mayor-still-attorney/3945806002/




Donald Trump distances himself from Rudy Giuliani: 'He has been my attorney'
Michael Collins, John Fritze and David Jackson USA TODAY
Published 6:47 PM EDT Oct 11, 2019
WASHINGTON – President Donald Trump sought Friday to distance himself from attorney Rudy Giuliani, even casting doubts about whether the former New York mayor is still his lawyer.

Asked whether Giuliani remained his personal attorney, Trump said: “I don’t know.”

“I haven't spoken to Rudy,” Trump told reporters as he was leaving the White House for a political rally in Louisiana. “I spoke to him yesterday, briefly. He's a very good attorney and he has been my attorney, yeah sure.”

Giuliani told USA TODAY shortly afterward that he’s still Trump's lawyer. “He hasn't told me otherwise,” he said.

Giuliani has emerged as a central figure in the Ukraine scandal that has led to an impeachment inquiry against Trump over efforts to push Ukrainian officials to investigate former Vice President Joe Biden, the Democratic presidential frontrunner.

Trump's pit bull: From 'America's mayor' to Trump's pit bull: Rudy Giuliani emerges as central figure in Ukraine firestorm

Trump’s remarks followed the arrest late Wednesday of two of Giuliani’s associates, Ukranian-born business partners Lev Parnas and Igor Fruman, at Dulles International Airport. The two were arrested by FBI agents and charged with in connection with alleged schemes to funnel foreign money to U.S. political campaigns...




I also think there is way way more chance that Giululani will end up being prosecuted than Trump ever being impeached...

'There's no fool like an old fool'

[Terry]

That could well be the case, in that it appears Rudy was walking a very thin line between the raindrops in terms of what was legal re: the Logan Act and Ukraine, regardless of if Giuliani was doing so with Trump's expressed or implied consent.

[Nickdfresh]

That could well be the case, in that it appears Rudy was walking a very thin line between the raindrops in terms of what was legal re: the Logan Act and Ukraine, regardless of if Giuliani was doing so with Trump's expressed or implied consent.

Now he'll be walking a tightrope of giving Micheal Cohen a happy ending or not after being the powerbottom...

[ZahZoo]

I figure Giuliani is an expendable tool in this swamp expedition... I see no viable end game in any of this that benefits anyone involved on either side. Not a damn good thing can come of it...

What concerns me most is what horrific, tragedy is quietly brewing that will knock this bullshit off center stage and we wake up with the world in far different, terrible place.

[Terry]

I figure Giuliani is an expendable tool in this swamp expedition... I see no viable end game in any of this that benefits anyone involved on either side. Not a damn good thing can come of it...

What concerns me most is what horrific, tragedy is quietly brewing that will knock this bullshit off center stage and we wake up with the world in far different, terrible place.

Are you talking about foreign conflicts we're not paying attention to, or is the tragedy along the lines of Trump getting desperate and doing something desperate as a result of the impeachment inquiry, or...?

[Nitro Express]

I figure Giuliani is an expendable tool in this swamp expedition... I see no viable end game in any of this that benefits anyone involved on either side. Not a damn good thing can come of it...

What concerns me most is what horrific, tragedy is quietly brewing that will knock this bullshit off center stage and we wake up with the world in far different, terrible place.

The political stuff is nothing more than a bunch of crooks agitating the public to distract from their crimes. China and a Russia are more aggressive and perusing first strike weapons. I have a feeling the 2020’s will be a bitch of a decade. We are going into a new Cold War and the central banks are running out of tricks to keep this fiat financial system going.

[Nitro Express]

Are you talking about foreign conflicts we're not paying attention to, or is the tragedy along the lines of Trump getting desperate and doing something desperate as a result of the impeachment inquiry, or...?

US presidents aren’t all that powerful. Trump is ignored on a regular basis. He ordered John Brennan’s security clearance pulled and it never happened. Presidents come and go, the government officials stay for decades. Impeachment doesn’t mean much. Bill Clinton was impeached. Nobody cared. It hurt the Republicans wasting time doing it at the ballot box. The average American votes their self-interest. At election time the go “where’s the beef?” They don’t give a damn about political pissing matches.

[Nickdfresh]

US presidents aren’t all that powerful. Trump is ignored on a regular basis. He ordered John Brennan’s security clearance pulled and it never happened. Presidents come and go, the government officials stay for decades. Impeachment doesn’t mean much. Bill Clinton was impeached. Nobody cared. It hurt the Republicans wasting time doing it at the ballot box. The average American votes their self-interest. At election time the go “where’s the beef?” They don’t give a damn about political pissing matches.

Some truth to this and some hyperbole. But yeah, if Trump wasn't coddled and manged, he'd of put a knife in one of the White House power sockets...

[Terry]

A knife made of solid gold, with the TRUMP logo etched into the handle...I've said before - many times - it's such a beautiful knife...

[Nitro Express]

A knife made of solid gold, with the TRUMP logo etched into the handle...I've said before - many times - it's such a beautiful knife...

It’s probably HUGE!

[Nitro Express]

The fat lady that is going to sing is when we default on our debt and what the result of that will be. We are over $20 trillion. We have $5 trillion in debt when Dubya came in. He doubled it to $10 trillion. Obama doubled it to $20 trillion. And Trump is running it up. If you add in the unfunded liabilities like pensions the actual debt is around $41 Trillion. We ain’t paying it off and read up on pensions. Many Americans won’t have a pension so it should be exciting when we get to that point. If you think people are angry now, just wait. What’s in store in the future? Nobody knows but we got $41 trillion in debt and growing and no money to pay the liabilities and creditors. You can fuck em over or you can print more funny money and pay everyone in worthless script.

Funny. Everyone is thinking their flavor of the month is going to fix things. Ha! Ha! We probably will end up with some Napoleon figure out of the military running things when everything goes chaotic and people no longer believe in politicians or elections. Power grows out of the barrel of a gun at the end of the day.

[Nickdfresh]

The fat lady that is going to sing is when we default on our debt and what the result of that will be. We are over $20 trillion. We have $5 trillion in debt when Dubya came in. He doubled it to $10 trillion. Obama doubled it to $20 trillion. And Trump is running it up. If you add in the unfunded liabilities like pensions the actual debt is around $41 Trillion. We ain’t paying it off and read up on pensions. Many Americans won’t have a pension so it should be exciting when we get to that point. If you think people are angry now, just wait. What’s in store in the future? Nobody knows but we got $41 trillion in debt and growing and no money to pay the liabilities and creditors. You can fuck em over or you can print more funny money and pay everyone in worthless script.

Funny. Everyone is thinking their flavor of the month is going to fix things. Ha! Ha! We probably will end up with some Napoleon figure out of the military running things when everything goes chaotic and people no longer believe in politicians or elections. Power grows out of the barrel of a gun at the end of the day.

Obama is behind both Bush 1 and Reagan, and the largest factor in Obama's adding to the Nat'l Debt are tax cuts, something his typical critics love. And also inheriting a near depression...

[ZahZoo]

Are you talking about foreign conflicts we're not paying attention to, or is the tragedy along the lines of Trump getting desperate and doing something desperate as a result of the impeachment inquiry, or...?

I was thinking foreign threats... our infighting is far too much of a distraction leaving threat actors plenty of room to operate unnoticed and unchecked.

It's a simple prospect... one can not be diligent and make sound decisions involving complex problems if your busy acting like idiots over bullshit that benefits no one. This applies to both sides of the aisle.

[Terry]

I was thinking foreign threats... our infighting is far too much of a distraction leaving threat actors plenty of room to operate unnoticed and unchecked.

It's a simple prospect... one can not be diligent and make sound decisions involving complex problems if your busy acting like idiots over bullshit that benefits no one. This applies to both sides of the aisle.

Can't disagree with any of this.

[Nitro Express]

I was thinking foreign threats... our infighting is far too much of a distraction leaving threat actors plenty of room to operate unnoticed and unchecked.

It's a simple prospect... one can not be diligent and make sound decisions involving complex problems if your busy acting like idiots over bullshit that benefits no one. This applies to both sides of the aisle.

My father in law worked for Boeing. What he was involved with was warhead delivery systems. He held a higher security clearance than Bill Clinton did when he was president. He said he worked a lot of overtime in a stressful job to make sure the US always had first strike capability over the Soviet Union. He knows so much that he cannot travel to certain countries even in his retirement.

He told me right now his main worry is a EMP attack on the US. The US has don nothing to harden our power grid against such an attack. This would mean no electricity for years because all the large transformers would need to be replaced. That’s a huge job.

Second China and Russia have been very aggressive on building first strike weapons. He said in another five years China and Russia combined would be a force to be reckoned with. Both a China and Russia can put most their population into bunkers they have been building. Russia is even having drills. Also Russia and China have huge underground weapons manufacturing facilities.

He said he’s worried Russia and China will combine and make a EMP strike in the US and then follow up with nuclear first strikes on US military facilities. Once that’s done they can bully the rest of the world into submission and then try and undermine each other.

So Zahzoo you have a point. My in-laws no longer live in Seattle because it’s a prime nuclear target because of the technology and military facilities there.

While we were wasting time and money and resources on wars for profit in the Middle East and as our crooked politicians in fight trying to avoid prison or trying to take their competition out, China and Russia are very aggressive in developing weapons they can hit us with.

We are really weak right now and our potential enemies know it. If they can take the US out they have the rest of the world. That greed motivates them and forget about sane in today’s world. How many world leaders today seem sane?

[Nitro Express]

Welcome to the new Cold War and it’s worse than the last one. Last time we were not economically entangled with our enemy. Plus we have plenty of traitors in our government and corporations who put the Chinese Communist Party above the United States. Now if you are Xi and Putin and watching the freak show over here, yeah. Quite tempting to go for it and swat it.

[Seshmeister]

He told me right now his main worry is a EMP attack on the US. The US has don nothing to harden our power grid against such an attack. This would mean no electricity for years because all the large transformers would need to be replaced. That’s a huge job.


I think I read that the real difficulty is that to build large transformers you need large transformers. That means if we got hit by an EMP from the sun the planet could be really fucked.

[ZahZoo]

EMP's are a definite threat as are the typical conventional weapons mentioned...

State sponsored cyber security exploits are currently on a dramatic rise globally. Financial systems and power infrastructure are popular targets that could cripple the US and most of Europe significantly. Those are two key areas that are really at risk...

[Nickdfresh]

I was thinking foreign threats... our infighting is far too much of a distraction leaving threat actors plenty of room to operate unnoticed and unchecked.

It's a simple prospect... one can not be diligent and make sound decisions involving complex problems if your busy acting like idiots over bullshit that benefits no one. This applies to both sides of the aisle.

If you're thinking foreign threats, then trump is sucking so much Turk and Russian dick it might as well be Thanksgiving in Handjobsogravd....

[Nickdfresh]

Welcome to the new Cold War and it’s worse than the last one. Last time we were not economically entangled with our enemy. Plus we have plenty of traitors in our government and corporations who put the Chinese Communist Party above the United States. Now if you are Xi and Putin and watching the freak show over here, yeah. Quite tempting to go for it and swat it.

Yeah cause stupid cunts like you vote for fucktards like Drumpf...

[Nickdfresh]

If you're thinking foreign threats, then trump is sucking so much Turk and Russian dick it might as well be Thanksgiving in Handjobsogravd....

Is it not blindingly obvious Drumpf is pandering to his business interests?

[Seshmeister]

EMP's are a definite threat as are the typical conventional weapons mentioned...

State sponsored cyber security exploits are currently on a dramatic rise globally. Financial systems and power infrastructure are popular targets that could cripple the US and most of Europe significantly. Those are two key areas that are really at risk...

Also probably a bad thing for Trump to give a massive boost to ISIS giving them a chance to do a Rocky style come back...

[Nitro Express]

Yeah cause stupid cunts like you vote for fucktards like Drumpf...

You don’t know how I vote. You make plenty of assumptions chicken wing boy.

[Nitro Express]

Only a simpleton would blame one person for those kind of problems. Having HW Bush and Bill Clinton sell us out to the Chinese Communist Party didn’t help. Having lot’s of people getting compromised and bought off brought us to where we are and it’s beyond the simple partisan political games.

[ZahZoo]

Also probably a bad thing for Trump to give a massive boost to ISIS giving them a chance to do a Rocky style come back...

Probably not much of an ISIS threat for cyber from the mud huts and caves in Syria... plus their money flow has been pretty much disrupted. Eastern block and former Russian outfits along with Russia, China, North Korea and Iran pose a far great cyber threat.

[Seshmeister]

I never meant that ISIS is an immediate threat in those ways, just saying that allowing our Kurd allies to be attacked and that meaning that a couple of hundred ISIS prisoners escape not so great...

If you look into this even a bit, even ignoring the horrible morality of screwing over the Kurd allies anyone that knows anything Republican or not thinks it was a terrible idea.

3 years in with Trump we've been incredibly lucky that nothing super major dangerous has come up as long as you aren't a Kurd.

[Nickdfresh]

Allowing the Kurd allies, who created one of the finest beacons of democracy, be slaughtered and pushed by the Turks is fucking inexcusable!

The next terror attack, or peer-enemy war, forget about having allies...

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Allowing the Kurd allies, who created one of the finest beacons of democracy, be slaughtered and pushed by the Turks is fucking inexcusable!

The next terror attack, or peer-enemy war, forget about having allies...

Your ignorance is staggering. Turkey, by way of NATO, is our only "legal" ally. The Kurds, who really only care about taking territory that doesn't belong to them, fought ISIS on their behalf, not ours, so that they could take more land.
They are an offshoot of the PKK, considered by most to be a terrorist group. Not saying they're terrorist, but their lineage is questionable. Would you rather piss-off the Kurds or go to war with Turkey? It's a no win situation like all of the Middle East issues. Thus we pull out and find other ways to achieve our interests.

[Nickdfresh]

Your ignorance is staggering.

Fuckoff retard...


Turkey, by way of NATO, is our only "legal" ally.

They've fought with Greece in the past, also our 'legal NATO ally" and did nothing for us after 9/11. They're also led by an Islamist gov't more or less...


The Kurds, who realley only care about taking territory that doesn't belong to them, fought ISIS on their behalf, not ours, so that they could take more land.
They are an offshoot of the PKK, considered by most to be a terrorist group. Not saying they're terrorist, but their lineage is questionable. Would you rather piss-off the Kurds or go to war with Turkey? It's a no win situation like all of the Middle East issues. Thus we pull out and find other ways to achieve our interests.

Thy are not an off-shoot of the PKK you ignorant sister-fucker. There is no evidence that the YPG colludes with the PKK. Even of they do, what gives Turkey any right to invade Syria? Why should we leave Syria to the Iranians and Russians anyways?

They helped us fight ISIS!

[Nickdfresh]

...Thus we pull out and find other ways to achieve our interests.

I guess fucking over those that help us furthers our interests you simpleton monkey fucktard...

And we're not "pulling out" idiot, we're still guarding the oil fields in Syria and sending troops to Saudi Arabia, the ones who paid for 9/11...

Pull your head out of your ass you dumbshit...

[ZahZoo]

I've really grown ambivalent over the whole Middle East situation... any move the US makes there, fucks something up for somebody. The frustrating part is there's no end to violence and bullshit among all those people, governments, tribes, factions, etc...

[Nickdfresh]

The first thing we need to stop doing is get caught up in the idiotic Saudis vs. Iranians thing...

The House of Saud has amassed one of the largest, most technically sophisticated arsenals in the Middle East for its incompetent, panicky military. Yet we still send the troops...

[Seshmeister]

The House of Saud has amassed one of the largest, most technically sophisticated arsenals in the Middle East for its incompetent, panicky military. Yet we still send the troops...

When you say amassed this huge arsenal you mean of course we've sold them it in return for tons of cash some of which goes back to the politicians who approved it.

Of course it's incredibly likely at some point one way or another these weapons will be turned on us. Propping up murderous dictators has never ended well for the West - Iran, Cuba, Central America...

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Thy are not an off-shoot of the PKK you ignorant sister-fucker. There is no evidence that the YPG colludes with the PKK. Even of they do, what gives Turkey any right to invade Syria? Why should we leave Syria to the Iranians and Russians anyways?

They helped us fight ISIS!

Holy shit you're dumber than dirt. Do I have to look it up for you and provide a link? What gives the Kurds the right to take Syrian land?
Get out of your mom's basement, quit trying to suck your own dick, and do some research.

[Nitro Express]

https://stevepieczenik.com/2019/10/11/opus-179-kurdish-opportunists/

The Kurds are allies to whoever pays them. We went into Iraq based on a lie. We have been stuck there and in Afghanistan for close to two decades. We created a huge refuge crisis because we destabilized Libya.

China would love to keep us bogged down in the Middle East. We waste resources there as they build their military up and become more aggressive.

Now if anyone thinks we should stay in the Middle East and fight for God knows what I will buy them a plane ticket and they can go fight with the Kurds or whoever. If you can secure some oil and sell it good for you! They make excellent olive oil soap in Syria. Maybe you can take Aleppo and export soap and become rich. Maybe you can share the spoils with your Kurdish friends.

[Nitro Express]

When you say amassed this huge arsenal you mean of course we've sold them it in return for tons of cash some of which goes back to the politicians who approved it.

Of course it's incredibly likely at some point one way or another these weapons will be turned on us. Propping up murderous dictators has never ended well for the West - Iran, Cuba, Central America...

It’s called the Military Industrial Complex. Eisenhower warned about it in his exit speech. You create conflict so you can make money off the wars. While we have been wasting our resources in the Middle East China is building up it’s capability an d not only that. They have us infiltrated to the gills with spies and have compromised many of our government officials and politicians. So China is the big menace. More so than anything in the Middle East.

[Nitro Express]

I've really grown ambivalent over the whole Middle East situation... any move the US makes there, fucks something up for somebody. The frustrating part is there's no end to violence and bullshit among all those people, governments, tribes, factions, etc...

No solution to any of it. But talk about a gold mine if you want to start some wars for profit. If you own shares in military contracting companies the Middle East is all $$$$$$$!!! With Joe Public easy to fool you can keep these wars going and stick Joe Public with the tab.

[Nitro Express]

Probably not much of an ISIS threat for cyber from the mud huts and caves in Syria... plus their money flow has been pretty much disrupted. Eastern block and former Russian outfits along with Russia, China, North Korea and Iran pose a far great cyber threat.

Put yourself in Xi Jingping’s shoes. Would you go for it? Use Hong Kong as a test. Push it in the South China Sea. America is bogged down in the Middle East and there is a civil war within it’s government and it’s politically divided. Hmmmm. I think Xi senses some opportunities.

[Nickdfresh]

When you say amassed this huge arsenal you mean of course we've sold them it in return for tons of cash some of which goes back to the politicians who approved it.

Of course it's incredibly likely at some point one way or another these weapons will be turned on us. Propping up murderous dictators has never ended well for the West - Iran, Cuba, Central America...

Definitively for tons of cash, but it's a show arsenal of redundant weaponry and I doubt they'll let it go. The Sauds are far too terrified to sell off their weapons that don't get destroyed by cunning Yemenis...

[Nickdfresh]

Holy shit you're dumber than dirt. Do I have to look it up for you and provide a link? What gives the Kurds the right to take Syrian land?

What gives a despotic minority regime using terror agianst the majority sects they govern through sheer fear to take anyone's land? Somebody, probably the Brits for French drew an arbitrary border in Syria and everyone fucked over hard is supposed to support it?


Get out of your mom's basement, quit trying to suck your own dick, and do some research.

I'm in your mom's basement, and I know a fuck lot more about this than you do you cretin lightweight...

Maybe take a class on post-colonialism and how it has seriously fucked Africa and the Middle East? Ever read Edward Said, fucknutz?

[Seshmeister]

Definitively for tons of cash, but it's a show arsenal of redundant weaponry and I doubt they'll let it go. The Sauds are far too terrified to sell off their weapons that don't get destroyed by cunning Yemenis...

What I meant was at some point the present Saudi regime will collapse or be overthrown.

[Nickdfresh]

https://stevepieczenik.com/2019/10/11/opus-179-kurdish-opportunists/

The Kurds are allies to whoever pays them. We went into Iraq based on a lie. We have been stuck there and in Afghanistan for close to two decades. We created a huge refuge crisis because we destabilized Libya.

China would love to keep us bogged down in the Middle East. We waste resources there as they build their military up and become more aggressive.

Now if anyone thinks we should stay in the Middle East and fight for God knows what I will buy them a plane ticket and they can go fight with the Kurds or whoever. If you can secure some oil and sell it good for you! They make excellent olive oil soap in Syria. Maybe you can take Aleppo and export soap and become rich. Maybe you can share the spoils with your Kurdish friends.

Thanks for the mindless conspiracy shit! No wonder you're this retarded...

Let's construct complete bullshit to demonize the Kurds now! Just like the Jews...

[Nickdfresh]

What I meant was at some point the present Saudi regime will collapse or be overthrown.

IDK, maybe. I'd like to think they have some sort of grand reformation but more likely they'll get in a catastrophic war with Iran and get their asses kicked for the first few years...

[Nickdfresh]

Put yourself in Xi Jingping’s shoes. Would you go for it? Use Hong Kong as a test. Push it in the South China Sea. America is bogged down in the Middle East and there is a civil war within it’s government and it’s politically divided. Hmmmm. I think Xi senses some opportunities.

I think you are fucking giving Xi way too much credit and China is far more fucked with internal conflicts than we are...

[Nickdfresh]

Holy shit you're dumber than dirt. Do I have to look it up for you and provide a link? What gives the Kurds the right to take Syrian land?
Get out of your mom's basement, quit trying to suck your own dick, and do some research.

Oh by the way, the Kurds in "Rojava" were more or less aligned with the Assad regime against ISIS, and never really were pushing for a separate nation-state but for autonomy under a "one-nation two-system" idea. But tell me how fucking smart and well read you are again...

They were a democratic, progressive and even libertarian oasis in a desert of corrupt and parochial dictatorships and cunts. And we stabbed then in the back...

[Seshmeister]

IDK, maybe. I'd like to think they have some sort of grand reformation but more likely they'll get in a catastrophic war with Iran and get their asses kicked for the first few years...

Call me pessimistic but I completely gave up on any possibility of reformation when they hacked a Washington Post journalist into pieces using a surgical saw in their embassy on the orders of the Crown Prince - i.e. the guy that is going to be taking over next.

The fact that Trump turned a blind eye to that is beyond fucking outrageous.

[Nickdfresh]

Call me pessimistic but I completely gave up on any possibility of reformation when they hacked a Washington Post journalist into pieces using a surgical saw in their embassy on the orders of the Crown Prince - i.e. the guy that is going to be taking over next.

The fact that Trump turned a blind eye to that is beyond fucking outrageous.

I'm not optimistic either. They would have to lose was war with successive battlefield defeats without the West there to save them...

[Nitro Express]

Thanks for the mindless conspiracy shit! No wonder you're this retarded...

Let's construct complete bullshit to demonize the Kurds now! Just like the Jews...

Yeah. Jeffery Epstein and his operation was conspiracy shit two years ago. Guess what. The story was killed. Lot’s of people knew what was going on but the editors were killing the story.

How’s that for conspiracy?

[Nitro Express]

Call me pessimistic but I completely gave up on any possibility of reformation when they hacked a Washington Post journalist into pieces using a surgical saw in their embassy on the orders of the Crown Prince - i.e. the guy that is going to be taking over next.

The fact that Trump turned a blind eye to that is beyond fucking outrageous.

Not to mention the genocide in Yemen.

[Nitro Express]

We needed Saudi Arabia when we went off the gold standard in 1971. We made a deal that OPEC would only sell their oil in US Dollars and we would cut our domestic production. The result is the US had more money to spend and boy did we ever spend. You can run a bigger economy with petro dollars than you can gold. The military industrial complex loved it. We could outspend the Soviets and break their back. The CIA also put lot’s of US loyal despots in power to keep the Soviets from taking Middle East oil.

So that’s our relation to the Middle East. It was about backing the US Dollar with the oil there and keeping the asoviets out of it.

Follow the money. If you think any government really cares about the horrible stuff that goes on in the Middle East you are mistaken. Governments only care about power and most government officials are motivated by power and money. Don’t think those people have any measure of benevolence. They will tell you they do if that’s what you want to hear from them.

[Nitro Express]

I think you are fucking giving Xi way too much credit and China is far more fucked with internal conflicts than we are...

Have you ever been to China? China has had internal conflicts for it’s whole history. The thing is the Chinese Communist Party rules with an iron fist. Not very easy to overthrow and the western world now has it’s economy tied up with the Chinese economy and they have had 40 years to play the nice guy and infiltrate our institutions and compromise our government officials.

China is not a easy problem to deal with. The Chinese are way better at cyber warfare than we currently are. So believe me. We have our hands full and on top of that we are politically infighting over partisan bullshit and we can’t get unstuck from the Middle East bullshit we never should have gotten into. Also the Federal Reserve panicked and dropped rates because it’s all they can do. Half the banks in the west are insolvent due to bad loans. So we are skirting a depression if that financial bubble pops due to panic.

So we really can’t whip our dick out and pound XI over the head.

[Nickdfresh]

Yeah. Jeffery Epstein and his operation was conspiracy shit two years ago. Guess what. The story was killed. Lot’s of people knew what was going on but the editors were killing the story.

How’s that for conspiracy?

Which editors of what publication?

[Nickdfresh]

Not to mention the genocide in Yemen.

And get their Saudi asses kicked by rag tag rebels...

[Nitro Express]

Which editors of what publication?

ABC News being one.

[Nitro Express]

https://youtu.be/vgboOqP16uU

Some interesting info on a Saudi Arabia. Looks like they Are getting ready to hit the skids.

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Oh by the way, the Kurds in "Rojava" were more or less aligned with the Assad regime against ISIS, and never really were pushing for a separate nation-state but for autonomy under a "one-nation two-system" idea.

"Dumber than dirt" was too kind if you think Assad would allow for a "two-system idea" with a group of people who are still an off-shoot of the PKK.

[Nitro Express]

"Dumber than dirt" was too kind if you think Assad would allow for a "two-system idea" with a group of people who are still an off-shoot of the PKK.

I say we get them all fighting each other over Popeye chicken sandwiches and leave.

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I say we get them all fighting each other over Popeye chicken sandwiches and leave.

How about we air-drop a shitload of Popeye's Very Special Pork Sandwiches?

[Nickdfresh]

"Dumber than dirt" was too kind if you think Assad would allow for a "two-system idea" with a group of people who are still an off-shoot of the PKK.

Assad would have allowed for whatever to save his weak-piss skin. In any case, you said the Kurds were trying to take territory, that wasn't the plan...

They weren't an "offshoot of the PKK" either. Google better turd boy!..

[Nickdfresh]

ABC News being one.

Links are helpful...

[Nickdfresh]

If you're really worried about China, watch this PBS Frontline program on AI: https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/film/in-the-age-of-ai/

[FORD]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nBPXz-NM7Jo

[Nickdfresh]

Ford, where the hell you been?

[Seshmeister]

https://youtu.be/l-hlcaCC_1I