How's The Rioting Where You Are?

[Nickdfresh]

Right now, they're firing tear gas in Buffalo, NY Niagara Square. State of Emergency has been declared and County and City officials claim "outside agitators" apparently were targeting the Federal Court House which is made of glass. There is heavy State, County and City police presence and Federal Marshals have been guarding the court.

Live feed from guerilla journalist: https://www.facebook.com/brandan.mosesbonner/videos/4556117927739075/?__tn__=R

Things aren't too bad here relatively speaking, in neighboring Rochester the riots were more destructive...

[FORD]

This from earlier tonight in Seattle. Reminds me a bit of WTO 1999. And the ones starting the shit are probably just as fake & paid off as they were back then...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jXPHvOOfPgc

Look at this fucking asshole moving the planters around, for fucks sake. That tool reeks of "government troll" about as much as that idiot with the hammer knocking out the Auto Zone windows in Minneapolis.

[FORD]

And then there's the obligatory crazy MAGAtts trying to murder people with their SUV....


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjGPmc7_PRI

[FORD]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFHgKUVXtkc

[twonabomber]

I guess Cleveland is getting hit pretty hard. National Guard called in about 8:30 pm and mutual aid from the surrounding counties sheriff's departments was requested.

ODOT has closed the inbound freeways.

Was going to head that way tomorrow for a bike ride...I'll stay in town.

[Nickdfresh]

The riot, while the worst here since the Vietnam era, was relatively mild with a few shops broken into. A van used by bail bondsman was burned and some jerkoff threw a burning box into cityhall. A heavy police presence dwindled the crowd and chased them out by midnight. For some reason the few looters gravitated to 7-11's. People are out cleaning up Niagara Square this morning...

[FORD]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Df7rGiWXdI

[Terry]

One of the main streets in Tampa (not the downtown area) where one of the larger malls in town is located along with dozens of businesses had rioting and looting break out last night. Several businesses torched, along with a gas station where thankfully the fire was put out before it spread to the underground fuel pumps.

With Tampa, the downtown area itself doesn't have much by way of inhabitants or residents. The city is more a series of interconnected suburbs than other cities.

From the news reports thus far, all of the arrests from last night involved local asshole residents who went to the mall and the other businesses simply to start trouble, run riot, burn and rob. There were no outside agitators arrested. The geographical areas involved have large concentrations of lower income non-whites living there. I don't know anything about who was arrested beyond their resident status in terms of their ethnicity or economic status, so I'm not making any "typical poor black thugs looting their own neighborhood" inferences by stating the demographic makeup of the neighborhoods involved. I know plenty of folks who live in that area of multiple ethnicities. To a person, they are all hardworking, follow the rules, treat people decently and aren't looking for trouble. I believe the majority of those who live in the neighborhood(s) concerned are the same. From the helicopter cams and news footage that has surfaced thus far, the looters just looked like a bunch of thug assholes who didn't give a shit about destroying / stealing property that wasn't theirs, or destroying their own neighborhoods: these people clearly don't give a fuck.

Nor am I proffering a tautology along the lines of all protesters being looters, or all the looters were protesters.

From the latest reports, the town I live in just outside of Tampa, which has about 100,000 residents, was featured on multiple private social media account posts today saying basically what happened in Tampa last night will be happening to our town tonight in our own town mall (which is as large if not larger than the mall in Tampa that was trashed last night). So, the National Guard has been deployed to our town and will be staging in the Town Mall from what the latest reports have said. We're under a curfew from 7:30 PM to 6 AM.

[FORD]

https://i.redd.it/slaos3tal3251.png

[ZahZoo]

2nd night of protests in Little Rock... no major damages or violence with one exception... some fool drove a car into the entrance of a target store... police arrived and arrested idiots for looting. Mostly just police dispersing people with tear gas when they failed to disperse. Protesters shooting off fireworks...

The video below was captured a narrated by some crybaby...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=8&v=EDWvBEoUMSA&feature=emb_logo

[FORD]

https://i.imgur.com/IL82zhy.png

[Nickdfresh]

Last night there were early peaceful protests, then the cops pushed people out of the square before 9pm and that was it...

[FORD]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lW6oVMbl1hs

[twonabomber]

https://i.imgur.com/IL82zhy.png

Most of the articles I've read state that the President doesn't make the call to go to the bunker, but the Secret Service does.

[Seshmeister]

I think it's not unreasonable under the circumstances to burn the Minneapolis police station down but I don't really understand the logic behind looting in a different State hundreds of miles away though.

[Terry]

Most of the articles I've read state that the President doesn't make the call to go to the bunker, but the Secret Service does.

Well, I'd tend to imagine the President made the call today to have his potpourri of law enforcement protecting the White House launch tear gas, hurl flash bangs and fire rubber bullets into the non-violent protesters across the street in order to move them several blocks away from 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue so the President could walk outside the WH gates and have his photo op at the boarded-up church...while, holding up a Bible, no less.

Pathetic: if it had been Pence doing that, one could almost understand it in terms of Pence's religious sincerity, which nobody questions re: Pence's belief. With Trump, it was just a lame, cynical pr stunt, throwing red meat to the evangelical faction of his base.

I mean, shit, if Trump simply wanted to clear the protesters away from the White House because he was convinced - or somebody told him - they were a tangible, physical security threat, okay...I get that. ANY president I can imagine making that call. To do it for a bullshit photo op? Even for Trump, whom I honestly believe is a coward when all is said and done, that was a lame move.

[Terry]

I think it's not unreasonable under the circumstances to burn the Minneapolis police station down but I don't really understand the logic behind looting in a different State hundreds of miles away though.

There is no logic, other than local vandal thief punks taking advantage of legitimate protests in order to cause mayhem, steal and deface property: these pieces of shit probably have no idea who Floyd was. Nor do they care about Floyd was, much the same as they doubtless don't care about burning their own neighborhoods to the ground and the lives of their own neighbors who get disrupted in the process, or how the looting diminishes the point the protesters are trying to make.

I can't say it is reasonable to burn any police station down, but at least that would be far more understandable then, say, lighting a neighborhood gas station on fire.

[Seshmeister]

I can't say it is reasonable to burn any police station down

Well usually that is my default position but...

[ZahZoo]

I think it's not unreasonable under the circumstances to burn the Minneapolis police station down but I don't really understand the logic behind looting in a different State hundreds of miles away though.

I understand the symbolism of targeting the police station... but then again this was the action of an individual and the destruction of property does nothing to address the systemic problem of racism and violence against other humans... all it does is give an outlet for rage. I don't put much hope in rage leading to any form of resolution...

The looting in any location, near or far, is simple criminal activity. Nothing more... every person involved should be incarcerated fully.

[twonabomber]

There was a peaceful protest in my home town yesterday. No issues. Police chief said the city was not on lockdown.

FB is full of fake alerts, from "they're moving toward (city)!" to claims of rocks being thrown from freeway overpasses.

[FORD]

As far as I know, all of the protests here in Olympia have been peaceful so far. But I've also seen parades of cop cars speeding past my house late at night - sirens & disco lights going and all - for the last two nights, so fuck knows what's up with that. They shouldn't need the sirens if they're just going to the donut shop, since there's not a lot of traffic around at night.

The local fish wrapper did mention that a couple of "outside agitators" did try to stir up shit at one of the protests, but they were politely told to get the fuck out. Being the state capitol, we do seem to be the target for various right wing shit stirrers ever since the Orange Imbecile has been occupying the White House (or White House Bunker)

[FORD]

https://static01.nyt.com/images/2020/06/01/us/politics/01dc-unrest-church1/merlin_173085291_d45e29d1-b549-4484-95c1-9979d31f4d61-superJumbo.jpg?quality=90&auto=webp

“When ye, therefore, shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place (whosoever readeth, let him understand),

“Then let them who are in Judea flee into the mountains;

“Let him who is on the housetop not come down to take anything out of his house;

“Neither let him who is in the field return back to take his clothes.

“And woe unto those who are with child, and to those who nurse children in those days!

“But pray that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the Sabbath day;

“For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

“And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved; but for the elect’s sake those days shall be shortened.”

Matt. 24:15-22

[FORD]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Zs2AEeU2-M

[Terry]

There was a peaceful protest in my home town yesterday. No issues. Police chief said the city was not on lockdown.

FB is full of fake alerts, from "they're moving toward (city)!" to claims of rocks being thrown from freeway overpasses.

Social media in general (and obviously this isn't limited to the riots) tends to spread bullshit rumors: last Saturday night when the riot/looting was going on in Tampa, there were dozens upon dozens of posts being made in real time while the stuff was happening claiming that such and such took place (or was taking place) in terms of physical actions that turned out to be total bullshit come next morning when the dust settled...all these specious claims (such and such store was burned down, such and such store owner was murdered by looters, etc.) that were spun up out of nothing far as I can tell.

[Nickdfresh]

https://static01.nyt.com/images/2020/06/01/us/politics/01dc-unrest-church1/merlin_173085291_d45e29d1-b549-4484-95c1-9979d31f4d61-superJumbo.jpg?quality=90&auto=webp

“When ye, therefore, shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place (whosoever readeth, let him understand),

“Then let them who are in Judea flee into the mountains;

“Let him who is on the housetop not come down to take anything out of his house;

“Neither let him who is in the field return back to take his clothes.

“And woe unto those who are with child, and to those who nurse children in those days!

“But pray that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the Sabbath day;

“For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

“And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved; but for the elect’s sake those days shall be shortened.”

Matt. 24:15-22

One of the worst public relations disaster by a modern president, any president.

[Nickdfresh]

What the photo doesn't show was that Trumpo had his goons evict peaceful protesters with gas from the area around the church. I mean, he's a total cunt but maybe someone with his instincts might have recognized he'd have been much better off mixing and meeting peaceful protesters instead of his Hitler-riffic pose with the bible he never reads in front of a church he never attends...
https://scontent-ort2-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/101696997_10214853858013525_4449835072140345344_n. jpg?_nc_cat=103&_nc_sid=8024bb&_nc_ohc=NC8p10yE0UwAX8MPxAv&_nc_ht=scontent-ort2-2.xx&oh=829b49c1bd14e278c7c92cf6b74688ba&oe=5EFC8120

[ashstralia]

There’s some funny memes here too, things on fire, lightening strikes. The background words.

[Nickdfresh]

There’s some funny memes here too, things on fire, lightening strikes. The background words.

It was peaceful here as far as the protests, they broke up early. Anything else was broke up by some impressive lightening and hail. I initially thought the thunder was flashbangs lol...

[Seshmeister]

Thousands of people in London seem to think they can somehow influence police policies in the USA by going on a march.

This seems a little unwise in the middle of a pandemic...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52907101

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/1495F/production/_112691348_aerialshot.jpg

[Nitro Express]

Thousands of people in London seem to think they can somehow influence police policies in the USA by going on a march.

This seems a little unwise in the middle of a pandemic...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52907101

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/1495F/production/_112691348_aerialshot.jpg


https://twitter.com/dma4him/status/1267474764442013702?s=21

Some reality.

[Nitro Express]

I understand the symbolism of targeting the police station... but then again this was the action of an individual and the destruction of property does nothing to address the systemic problem of racism and violence against other humans... all it does is give an outlet for rage. I don't put much hope in rage leading to any form of resolution...

The looting in any location, near or far, is simple criminal activity. Nothing more... every person involved should be incarcerated fully.

The only trouble here is a hiker got attacked by a grizzly bear.

[Nitro Express]

Lot’s of big crowds worldwide. If we don’t have a huge COVID19 spike because of it I say it’s time to open things back up.

[Seshmeister]

I think this was a useful perspective to at least think about for all us middle aged white guys...



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jb4Bg8mu2aM

[Nitro Express]

A lot of this is what’s called propaganda agitation. Propaganda agitation is using the media to fuel the rage over an event real or faked and using agitators to get the maximum impact. It’s used to weaken a country by dividing it. In the US race is an agitation point such groups like to exploit. Remember we are in an economic war with China and China has taken control of Hong Kong. China would deffinately be interested in starting some internal problems here.

[ZahZoo]

Lot’s of big crowds worldwide. If we don’t have a huge COVID19 spike because of it I say it’s time to open things back up.

We will see big spikes especially in the areas with large crowds that have been gathering this week... seeing numbers climb across the US steadily now. Expect a wake up call in about 7-14 days from now...

[FORD]

https://i.imgur.com/aCKmDOA.png

[Nickdfresh]

There’s some funny memes here too, things on fire, lightening strikes. The background words.

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/06/02/05/29107842-8378797-image-a-78_1591071565452.jpg
https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/06/02/05/29107836-8378797-image-a-79_1591071663879.jpg

[Nickdfresh]

https://cdn.ebaumsworld.com/2020/06/02/035357/86284273/trump_bible_meme_12.jpg

[Nickdfresh]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hisd_PeMEK8

[Nitro Express]

We will see big spikes especially in the areas with large crowds that have been gathering this week... seeing numbers climb across the US steadily now. Expect a wake up call in about 7-14 days from now...

Yup. Fortunately viruses don’t survive well in heat, humidity and in UV light. We probably will see some blow back. Someone I know who caught COVID19 said they were sick for a week and got on antibiotics when they had the early symptoms of having pneumonia. They never ended up in the hospital. If you don’t get on the antibiotics soon enough the pneumonia can set in and if you are weak due to age or pre-existing health problems then you got problems. But it’s usually not the old and weak that go out protesting.

[Seshmeister]

Yup. Fortunately viruses don’t survive well in heat, humidity and in UV light.

Your guy said that's why it would be gone in April, hasn't worked out that way so far and it's June.

[ZahZoo]

Yup. Fortunately viruses don’t survive well in heat, humidity and in UV light. We probably will see some blow back. Someone I know who caught COVID19 said they were sick for a week and got on antibiotics when they had the early symptoms of having pneumonia. They never ended up in the hospital. If you don’t get on the antibiotics soon enough the pneumonia can set in and if you are weak due to age or pre-existing health problems then you got problems. But it’s usually not the old and weak that go out protesting.

Agreed, it's predominately not the old and weak out protesting... but all those other folks have to go home and interact within their families/communities. Many will develop heavy viral loads, while remaining asymptomatic silently spreading it to others who chose not to attend the socially popular viral seeding events... er... protests.

Responsibility is a complex and heavy burden to carry... while the civil protests continue for very valid social problems that demand attention... one can't ignore the hypocrisy many will or should feel while they clutch their protest signs touting "Lives Matter" while their parent/grandparent/sibling/friend gasps their final breath on a ventilator and they realize the source of their suffering was they were too stupid to wear a simple mask properly, avoid large crowds, and stay 6 feet or more away from others during a widely publicized global pandemic...

[twonabomber]

To be fair, it's rained here most of May and the overnight temperature was 45 a week ago.

[Nickdfresh]

Agreed, it's predominately not the old and weak out protesting... but all those other folks have to go home and interact within their families/communities. Many will develop heavy viral loads, while remaining asymptomatic silently spreading it to others who chose not to attend the socially popular viral seeding events... er... protests.

Responsibility is a complex and heavy burden to carry... while the civil protests continue for very valid social problems that demand attention... one can't ignore the hypocrisy many will or should feel while they clutch their protest signs touting "Lives Matter" while their parent/grandparent/sibling/friend gasps their final breath on a ventilator and they realize the source of their suffering was they were too stupid to wear a simple mask properly, avoid large crowds, and stay 6 feet or more away from others during a widely publicized global pandemic...

The vast majority of protesters here were masked, most for the COVID and some for the gas, many wet their masks...

I agree that heat, UV and humility might reduce transmissions but it's spreading in warmer climates like Brazil (like wildfire) and has spread in Australia at the end of their summer...

[Nickdfresh]

The BPD being fucking dickhead macho cunts heroically bowling over a 75 year old man:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCISe83UUgI

The most shameful part of it is that the Police tried to lie about it saying he "tripped and fell" making themselves look like like degenerate assholes. The outcry since has made them suspend the 2 cops without pay and there is an investigation. The man is okay and talked to Gov. Cuomo from his hospital bed phone..

[Nickdfresh]

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/ColossalAngelicImperialeagle-mobile.mp4

[FORD]

Throw those two asshole pigs over Niagra Falls. Don't bother with the barrel.

[ZahZoo]

The Buffalo cops should be fired and criminally charged/prosecuted.

[FORD]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Da373lxp0fc

[Nickdfresh]

The Buffalo cops should be fired and criminally charged/prosecuted.

They should be, but we had 57 idiots quit the Emergency Response Team in solidarity with the two assholes...

[Seshmeister]

Well Nick at least your cops are equal opportunities bastards.

[Seshmeister]

The most shameful part of it is that the Police tried to lie about it saying he "tripped and fell" making themselves look like like degenerate assholes.

If nothing else, when are these pricks going to realize they can't do that shit any more now that everyone has a video camera in their pocket? I think the numbers for police killing 'suspects' is the same as it always has been, the game changer is quite often they are doing it on video now.

[FORD]

https://youtu.be/MZ_w500-FL8

[Seshmeister]

Negotiators for the city of Minneapolis have agreed with the state to ban the use of chokeholds by police and to require police to report and intervene anytime they see an unauthorized use of force by another officer.

I guess I must be naive because I'm fucking stunned that this wasn't always the case???

[FORD]

Certainly should have been. But the cops (at least in the US) tend to support other cops as a rule, even when they know for a fact they're guilty as sin.

For example, the 2 cops in Buffalo who knocked over a 75 year old man were "suspended", and then pretty much the rest of the police department "resigned" from protest duty in support of those bastards.

[Nitro Express]

Your guy said that's why it would be gone in April, hasn't worked out that way so far and it's June.

I said for warm southern states like Arkansas. Florida opened up.

[Nitro Express]

Certainly should have been. But the cops (at least in the US) tend to support other cops as a rule, even when they know for a fact they're guilty as sin.

For example, the 2 cops in Buffalo who knocked over a 75 year old man were "suspended", and then pretty much the rest of the police department "resigned" from protest duty in support of those bastards.

Yup. It’s called crossing the blue line. I know so many ex cops. Two main things make these guys quit. Corruption in the department and city or state. The job is more dangerous. For what the job pays it’s just not worth it. I actually know an officer who has PTSD from having to shoot a guy.

They all say it’s going to be hard to recruit decent people to be police officers now. Their worry is things will just get more thuggish. Also the cops get used in people’s divide and conquer games. In many ways cops are pawns.

[Nitro Express]

There is nothing more dumb on this planet than a big mob of people. It can be for a good cause but mobs are dumb. Add in riot police and shit just tends to happen. Usually a protest is just people getting stuff off their chest. It’s emotional release more than anything.

[Nitro Express]

Certainly should have been. But the cops (at least in the US) tend to support other cops as a rule, even when they know for a fact they're guilty as sin.

For example, the 2 cops in Buffalo who knocked over a 75 year old man were "suspended", and then pretty much the rest of the police department "resigned" from protest duty in support of those bastards.

It would be interesting to see what would happen if there were zero cops there. It seems that the majority of people just want to make a public statement and not cause any trouble then you have the agitators or people just causing trouble because it’s fun for them.

[Nitro Express]

If nothing else, when are these pricks going to realize they can't do that shit any more now that everyone has a video camera in their pocket? I think the numbers for police killing 'suspects' is the same as it always has been, the game changer is quite often they are doing it on video now.

I think you are right. Then the video goes viral and so many people get pissed cities burn. That’s not good either. The bad cop gets busted but at a hell of a cost. I think a lot of it is a cop just snapping. The 100th monkey jumps on the last nerve in the heat of the moment and they go way overboard.

[Nitro Express]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Da373lxp0fca

Pat is so old he probably would fall apart if he farted hard.

[Terry]

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Pat is so old he probably would fall apart if he farted hard.

He'd be doing all the rest of us a favor were that to happen.

[ZahZoo]

They should be, but we had 57 idiots quit the Emergency Response Team in solidarity with the two assholes...

They just highlighted the pervasiveness at the heart of the problem that people are protesting over... Bad move by those 57 officers.

[ZahZoo]

If nothing else, when are these pricks going to realize they can't do that shit any more now that everyone has a video camera in their pocket? I think the numbers for police killing 'suspects' is the same as it always has been, the game changer is quite often they are doing it on video now.

Bottom line... a lot of the brutality should not be happening with or without cameras/video present. Most cases it's not even warranted. Some cases, yes it's necessary, but the lines are being drawn pretty clearly.

Law enforcement needs to wake up and realize the shifting tides... equal justice will now be swiftly applied to everyone... even those in uniforms with badges.

[Nickdfresh]

Well Nick at least your cops are equal opportunities bastards.

Indeed. Some of the worsts ones work in the Erie County Holding Center, and they do indeed seem to murder white inmates along with the black ones.

https://buffalonews.com/2017/08/20/list-erie-county-inmates-died-since-howard-became-sheriff/

And the curious 2012 case of Eric Metcalf (https://www.wkbw.com/news/erie-county-deputies-will-not-face-charges-in-controversial-metcalf-death) who suffered from an acute mental illness and was beaten to death...

The two officers have been charged with a felony assault due to the victim's age (75)...

The 57 Police who quit the ERT said they did so because the Union pressured them by saying they wouldn't provide any defense if police are sued or charged for anything connected to the riots. On the bright side, violence and looting seems to have dropped to almost nil here and most other places...

[Nickdfresh]

They should be, but we had 57 idiots quit the Emergency Response Team in solidarity with the two assholes...

There are rumors of a mass firing the might happen and since the current local COVID unemployment rate is around 20%, they may get plenty of candidates to replace them...

[Nitro Express]

Indeed. Some of the worsts ones work in the Erie County Holding Center, and they do indeed seem to murder white inmates along with the black ones.

https://buffalonews.com/2017/08/20/list-erie-county-inmates-died-since-howard-became-sheriff/

And the curious 2012 case of Eric Metcalf (https://www.wkbw.com/news/erie-county-deputies-will-not-face-charges-in-controversial-metcalf-death) who suffered from an acute mental illness and was beaten to death...

The two officers have been charged with a felony assault due to the victim's age (75)...

The 57 Police who quit the ERT said they did so because the Union pressured them by saying they wouldn't provide any defense if police are sued or charged for anything connected to the riots. On the bright side, violence and looting seems to have dropped to almost nil here and most other places...

Angry rioting tends to burn out pretty quick on it’s own. Being a police officer is a tough job. If you have the skills to be a good one you can do something else and make more money and not have your life or your mental health on the line. It’s all about having decent people and training but training is expensive and some cities are lax on that. There are people who are just naturally wired to be police officers who want to “protect and serve”. I’ve known a few of those and even rode the beat with some. But I’ve known a few who have gotten burned out and do something else.

[Seshmeister]

In a typical Democrat approach of compromise, I hear Joe Biden is saying that Martin Luther King should have been shot in the leg...

[Nickdfresh]

Angry rioting tends to burn out pretty quick on it’s own. Being a police officer is a tough job. If you have the skills to be a good one you can do something else and make more money and not have your life or your mental health on the line. It’s all about having decent people and training but training is expensive and some cities are lax on that. There are people who are just naturally wired to be police officers who want to “protect and serve”. I’ve known a few of those and even rode the beat with some. But I’ve known a few who have gotten burned out and do something else.

So they should just beat people to death with impunity? Attack journalists that are in no way a physical threat? Probably at least two, maybe three of the officers that were culpable in the murdered of George Floyd were probably otherwise decent people in a very awful situation led by a fucking dickbag. But a lot of what goes on in these institutions prevents them from speaking up or doing much about what at least two of them apparently didn't like. If one of the rookies grabs and physically stops Minnesota Reichsmarshal Training Ofc. Herr Derek Chauvin from essentially choking a man to death, they are fired or severally admonished and driven to quit (i.e. Serpico) or they plod through their jobs while effectively having to cover for the really bad ones. There are dept's in the country that are far worse than others and have systemic issues of not just violence, but of completely unethical and illegal behavior and there seems to be near impunity for it. For instance, there is a town in Louisiana where the cops feel free to lock up witnesses to crimes to insure they testify, they routinely violate civil rights and were investigated by the Justice Dept' under Obama, but Jeff Sessions basically rolled everything up and did nothing because most of the victims were black (but not all), and it was the Obama Admin Justice Dept. that investigated it...

Yes there are good cops, but the system is that they are largely unable to to do much in most cases. Most cops earn a pretty fucking good living, even the lowest paid ones have by contemporary standards generous retirement pensions and benefits most other occupations don't offer anymore. You factor in overtime and you're looking at six figures for many and the ones that have the easiest suburban jobs earn the most. So, yes I respect most police and mainly have had decent interactions with them. But you also have to balance that with places like Baltimore, you can say yes there is a high crime rate and policing there is tough. But by the same token you had cops there that recently had been issued body cams that were so used to planting fake evidence to get convictions they sloppily incriminated themselves on camera:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u89eBpcuYio

[Nitro Express]

Police chief’s run their police departments. Police chief’s are appointed by ELECTED mayors. Sheriffs are ELECTED directly in county elections. Voting is better for your community than tearing it up with riots. Nothing is dumber than an angry mob and I’ve never seen anything good come out of one.

[Seshmeister]

So you agree the Boston Tea Party was a mistake? :)

[Nitro Express]

So you agree the Boston Tea Party was a mistake? :)

That was a tax revolt. They threw the East India Company’s tea into the harbor because they didn’t want to pay the stamp tax. They didn’t set fire to the city, riot and loot the local merchant’s shops.

[FORD]

Actually it was more about the British East India Company wanting a complete monopoly on the tea business within the colonies.

If you wanted an equivalent protest today, you would probably toss Amazon's "biodomes" into Puget Sound.

but of course that wouldn't an environmentally viable solution. Just throw Bezos himself in instead.

[Seshmeister]

I don't know if it's old already but I only heard today.


'Why did the chicken cross the road?'

'To hold up a bible outside a church.'

[FORD]

https://i.imgur.com/SVZPeem.png

[FORD]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9XEUXqSisQ

[Seshmeister]

https://i.ibb.co/4Vxq9yN/cop.jpg

[Nickdfresh]

LOL I saw that on a former posters FB page. To be fair, the car wasn't purchased off budget but was seized from a drug dealer. It's just a propaganda showpiece, but yeah LA could make a buck selling it at auction.

The only actual sport scars US police had were a small number of Police spec Corvettes that I don't think are even made anymore. They were in states with wide open roads like Nevada and Montana, but I doubt they are used just because of liability of high speed chases...

Actually the LAPD Lambo was donated for PR stunts, it was sold at auction a while back...

[FORD]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kTaMr1gnMNQ

[FORD]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IuN39Y5m0as

[twonabomber]

No comments on Seattle?

[Seshmeister]

LOL I saw that on a former posters FB page. To be fair, the car wasn't purchased off budget but was seized from a drug dealer.

Was it though?

In many places the police can now seize property without a conviction. I read recently the police now take more property each year from US citizens than is stolen by criminals.

[ZahZoo]

Seattle is a mess waiting to be cleaned up... I don't see it ending well for those in control of that section of town nor the alleged leaders of the town. Pathetic mess...

[Nickdfresh]

Was it though?

In many places the police can now seize property without a conviction. I read recently the police now take more property each year from US citizens than is stolen by criminals.

https://heavy.com/news/2020/06/lapd-lamborghini-police-car/

It was donated. No tax dollars payed out. I'll look into the "seizure" stuff. I think it is a mixed bag though, if you have a trunk stuffed full of drugs Heisenberg Blue then yes maybe you shouldn't have that car anymore.

To me the biggest issue of policing in the US is the near impunity of cops and how even good cops have to go along with the asshole fuckheads mainly due to the unions. I am very pro union, but with cops it's just a blanket abuse of civil rights. Teachers have unions, and they will almost never protect a teacher that is accused of violence because they know it not only makes them look bad but that that teacher could be a threat to other teachers...

[FORD]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PPQCz7DvkGI

[Seshmeister]

https://heavy.com/news/2020/06/lapd-lamborghini-police-car/

It was donated. No tax dollars payed out. I'll look into the "seizure" stuff. I think it is a mixed bag though, if you have a trunk stuffed full of drugs Heisenberg Blue then yes maybe you shouldn't have that car anymore.


Like private prisons it's just asking for corruption trouble...

[FORD]

"Black Lives Matter" parade just marched past my house. Peaceful march. And because we're having our typically NON-summery June weather, more people carrying umbrellas than protest signs. Ironically, the cops were here with their lights flashing, but they were escorting the parade rather than oppressing it.

[FORD]

https://youtu.be/3tR6mKcBbT4

[Nickdfresh]

Fox News falls for Monty Python joke in report criticising Seattle protesters
Danielle Zoellner
The IndependentJune 14, 2020, 10:41 AM EDT
https://scontent.fagc3-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/10489635_926988080669623_3582038697634284864_n.jpg ?_nc_cat=110&_nc_sid=dd9801&_nc_ohc=GPF7leh9MjMAX911CI7&_nc_ht=scontent.fagc3-1.fna&oh=ba9348a2bb30b697dfc0e9fceb75b99d&oe=5F0D6B81
Fox News’ coverage of the Seattle protests has taken another hit after the news organisation quoted a Reddit Monty Python joke as real for its viewers.

Martha MacCallum, host of Fox News’ The Story, was covering Seattle’s Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone (CHAZ) for her viewers, which included claims from the cable news channel that there were leadership problems within the organisation.

To illustrate this point, Fox News shared a screenshot of a Reddit post entitled “I didn’t vote for Raz”. Raz Simone, a rapper, is the alleged unofficial leader of CHAZ.

“I thought we had an anonymous collective,” Ms MacCallum said, reading the Reddit post. “An anarcho-syndicalist commune at the least, we should take it in turns to act as a sort of executive officer for the week.”

What Fox News failed to realise was that this post was a joke that played off a popular scene from the 1975 comedy Monty Python and the Holy Grail.

In the scene, King Arthur approaches two peasants who are mud-farming out on the land and announces himself as their king. But Dennis, one of the peasants, informs the dumbfounded king that he and his cohorts have established their own form of government – which results in a debate about who actually is in charge.

“We take it in turns to act as a sort of executive officer for the week, but all the decisions of that officer have to be ratified at a special bi-weekly meeting by a simple majority in the case of purely internal affairs, but by a two-thirds majority in the case of purely external affairs,” Dennis says, a nearly verbatim quote used in the Reddit post.

The Reddit user even went as far as to later include the quote where Dennis says the king can’t “simply expect to wield supreme executive power just because someone threw a sword at him”. This portion of the post was not read aloud by Ms MacCallum to viewers but it was shown in the screenshot aired.

Although Fox News did not recognise the joke, people on Twitter did and the moment quickly went viral.

But this type of misinformation from Fox News is notable, specifically because it is America’s most watched cable news channel. Spreading this misinformation could skew viewers’ perspectives about what is actually going on inside CHAZ.

Opinions have differed about the police-free occupation. People with the movement overtook multiple blocks of Seattle, including the area surrounding a now-abandoned police precinct, last week.

President Donald Trump and Fox News have called the people involved with CHAZ anarchists and claimed they're involved with Antifia, a far-left militant group. But the area has actually remained rather peaceful and morphed into a sort of a music festival, with people camping, drinking, and playing music for others.
...
LINK (https://www.yahoo.com/news/fox-news-falls-monty-python-144143065.html)

In addition, Fox News used a fake photo showing a man with an assault rifle in the "free zone". I mean, they only approve of that if it is white people rioting over COVID-19 quarantine...

[FORD]

FAUX Noise lies. In other shocking news, water is wet and the daytime high in Hell today was a toasty 666 degrees.

[Nitro Express]

Seattle is a mess waiting to be cleaned up... I don't see it ending well for those in control of that section of town nor the alleged leaders of the town. Pathetic mess...

I bet you will still be able to get a burger at Dick’s on Broadway after Seattle’s summer of love ends.

[FORD]

Well, worst case scenario is that you have to go to Dicks at Queen Anne (just a little northwest of Seattle Center). But of course Dicks on Broadway (Capitol Hill) is always the source of jokes, given the nature of the neighborhood.

Just ask Pansy Division......

https://fanart.tv/fanart/music/a7c3f0e1-027a-4f1f-800a-c115422f96f3/artistthumb/pansy-division-50b2085be7103.jpg

[Nitro Express]

Yup. Let’s go up to Capitol Hill and get some dick’s. *Snicker*.

[Nitro Express]

Ah that whole CHAZ thing will fall apart soon enough. Give it a few weeks. Then Capitol Hill go back to being it’s gay old self. In few years nobody will remember it.

[Nitro Express]

https://youtu.be/QElKVs56z48

[FORD]

A true Cascadian hip hop classic (fuck that Macklemore shit)

[FORD]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5pNYGWHPX60 :nuts: