Mammoth WVH Live

[ZahZoo]

Wolfgang's first live solo performance from the Kimmel show last nite...

Great performance! The Kid™ has pipes and can hold his own on guitar. Includes some shots of VH and Uncle Dave in the official video they played behind Mammoth. Good job... promising career for the next gen VH...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R5bMbKcdhQA&feature=emb_logo&ab_channel=JimmyKimmelLive

[ZahZoo]

"You're to Blame" The other song that was debuted on Stern a few weeks ago... plus the Mammoth WVH album cover.

Solid rockin tune... Impressed with the guitar work on this one.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXqz_NNwT20&feature=emb_logo&ab_channel=MammothWVH-Topic

[Von Halen]

Was that "Live"? It sounded almost too polished to me. If it was live, they killed it.

[ZahZoo]

It was live on Kimmel... they fuckin killed it!

[Nickdfresh]

Was that "Live"? It sounded almost too polished to me. If it was live, they killed it.

It could be they have more control of the variables in that small studio space...

[Von Halen]

I recorded it on my DVR, but haven't had a chance to watch and listen to it on my system yet. I'm going to check it out on there. I'm not convinced just from watching it on the computer that it's "live". Super Bowl halftime show "live" maybe, but not really live. I hope I'm wrong.

[Nitro Express]

"You're to Blame" The other song that was debuted on Stern a few weeks ago... plus the Mammoth WVH album cover.

Solid rockin tune... Impressed with the guitar work on this one.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXqz_NNwT20&feature=emb_logo&ab_channel=MammothWVH-Topic

Solid song. If we still had a music industry it probably would get a lot of radio play. What stood out to me is how well everything was mixed.

[Nitro Express]

I recorded it on my DVR, but haven't had a chance to watch and listen to it on my system yet. I'm going to check it out on there. I'm not convinced just from watching it on the computer that it's "live". Super Bowl halftime show "live" maybe, but not really live. I hope I'm wrong.

Television is a fake medium. Rarely is anything real or live.

[Von Halen]

Television is a fake medium. Rarely is anything real or live.

So, have you watched it? What’s your opinion? Live or Memorex?

[Nitro Express]

So, have you watched it? What’s your opinion? Live or Memorex?

I think it was a little of both. They have sophisticated editing and mixing these days. My wife’s nephew works in the business. They can make anyone sound good. I think Wolfgang was live but I think they had a canned track underneath it.

[Von Halen]

I think it was a little of both. They have sophisticated editing and mixing these days. My wife’s nephew works in the business. They can make anyone sound good. I think Wolfgang was live but I think they had a canned track underneath it.

Fuck that shit. I can't take any musician seriously that would do that bullshit.

[Seshmeister]

The levels of TV miming are

1) Guitars not plugged in - missing musicians

2) Drums not miked

3) Keyboards not plugged in. This one was a good test for years but they routinely now do that too when miming on TV.

4) Different from the album. This one fooled me for a while until there were 2 identical Ozzy 'live' performances on different TV shows with different vocals and guitar fills from the album proving that sometimes they now go and record a 'live performance' version to air on TV shows.

My ear isn't good enough to tell if WVH was live there, the two ways to tell are vocals and drum timing but the drummer has an earpiece in which means he could be genuinely playing to a click track if it turns out his timing is too good and I don't know the song well enough to be able to examine the vocals.

[Seshmeister]

Fuck that shit. I can't take any musician seriously that would do that bullshit.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RspeLQKvV5c

[twonabomber]

Just before the solo the bassist leans in to the mic and sings but it doesn't sound like he's in the mix. So either forgot his cue or Kimmel's crew didn't turn him up.

Go on Wolf's Twitter and ask, or maybe he'll see this and say "some ASSHOLE says we weren't live!"

[Seshmeister]

Just before the solo the bassist leans in to the mic and sings but it doesn't sound like he's in the mix. So either forgot his cue or Kimmel's crew didn't turn him up.


I am suspicious about the backing vocals. There is a bit of defense though that they have that guy at the back with the beard playing extra guitar and singing Foo Fighters style. If they were miming why have the extra guy?

Double bluff that's why. :D

[Nitro Express]

Fuck that shit. I can't take any musician seriously that would do that bullshit.

I attended a bass seminar taught by Jack Casady. Between classes he was answering some questions and one guy goes why was he all wrapped up in a guitar cable on American Bandstand? He said the show wouldn’t let them play live and he was pissed. To protest he wrapped himself up in the guitar cord and threw a stuffed fish on top of the neck of his bass to show what a fraud it was. Ha! Ha!

[Nitro Express]

https://youtu.be/tKtJ0XTwgTE

Ha! Ha! Here’s Jack blowing Dick Clark’s scam.

[Von Halen]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RspeLQKvV5c

Come on Sesh. You're seriously going to compare this to what these bands try to perpetuate as a "live" performance these days? Do you really believe VH was trying to make ANYONE believe that was a "live" performance?

[ZahZoo]

The levels of TV miming are

1) Guitars not plugged in - missing musicians

2) Drums not miked

3) Keyboards not plugged in. This one was a good test for years but they routinely now do that too when miming on TV.

4) Different from the album. This one fooled me for a while until there were 2 identical Ozzy 'live' performances on different TV shows with different vocals and guitar fills from the album proving that sometimes they now go and record a 'live performance' version to air on TV shows.

My ear isn't good enough to tell if WVH was live there, the two ways to tell are vocals and drum timing but the drummer has an earpiece in which means he could be genuinely playing to a click track if it turns out his timing is too good and I don't know the song well enough to be able to examine the vocals.

Pretty sure it's a fully live performance with no helping tracks on this one...

Guitars all cabled, amps on, drums mic'ed... vocals all synced... backing vocals were way back in the mix... timing on the drums was spot on, sound and visual. The guitar lead was spot on with the picking timing and they a had clear close-up shot. Definitely not faked... performed live.

Now the only thing that's not clear was... was this live when broadcast or a taped live performance. That part only the technical people on the show can verify.

[Fairwrning]

I think Wolf's vocals are live...even sounded a bit choked up on the last two lines..

[Nickdfresh]

Pretty sure it's a fully live performance with no helping tracks on this one...

Guitars all cabled, amps on, drums mic'ed... vocals all synced... backing vocals were way back in the mix... timing on the drums was spot on, sound and visual. The guitar lead was spot on with the picking timing and they a had clear close-up shot. Definitely not faked... performed live.

Now the only thing that's not clear was... was this live when broadcast or a taped live performance. That part only the technical people on the show can verify.

I agree but there could be a bit of help from the sound-desk...

[Nickdfresh]

I think Wolf's vocals are live...even sounded a bit choked up on the last two lines..

His vocals were definitely live, and I like his voice BTW. I think there may be some speculation that things were touched up a bit but basically it was live..

I'm guessing the guys in the sound desk have some sort of Pro Tools equivalent to clean up live issues but IDK...

[twonabomber]

Maybe it was tweaked before broadcast. Show is recorded at 5 pm LA time.

I thought Wolf looked a little nervous at first. Understandable since it was his first time on TV as the leader. He'll be okay now that he's got that out of the way.

[Seshmeister]

Now the only thing that's not clear was... was this live when broadcast or a taped live performance. That part only the technical people on the show can verify.

I would be shocked if it was live when broadcast - there is no need or advantage to do that so why take the risk?

I think there may have been something going on with the backing vocals but there are some smart live time effects you can use.

Of course we are nit picking here he did well, and all the feedback I've seen has been positive.

[So this is love]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RspeLQKvV5c

Exactly lol! and same in the Italian tv broadcast.

[So this is love]

I think its a taped live performance...lol! At first, I was intrigued by WVH and now i am convinced he has EVH talent.

[So this is love]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-90SPx6Xfwo

ok ok I remember asking my girlfriend at the time (April 19, 1984), is Eddie really playing live? I was so confused...was it the alcool or was it something else ...or maybe the distance from the stage...:sockfucker:

[Nitro Express]

I think its a taped live performance...lol! At first, I was intrigued by WVH and now i am convinced he has EVH talent.

We will see how much rocket sauce Wolf has. Two songs so far. They are solid. Better than a lot of the crap released now. It will be interesting to see what kind of long term fan base he builds. But he came right out of the gate swinging after having to deal with his dad passing away which shows he’s got determination, balls and discipline.

[ZahZoo]

I would be shocked if it was live when broadcast - there is no need or advantage to do that so why take the risk?

I think there may have been something going on with the backing vocals but there are some smart live time effects you can use.

Of course we are nit picking here he did well, and all the feedback I've seen has been positive.

Most of those late night talk shows are not broadcast live... they are pre-recorded the afternoon or evening before airing.

That performance could have been a single take or the best of multiple. Either way... it appears what we heard was the band playing it for real and not them faking it to a pre-recorded version of the song. There may have been some mix-down in the recording... post performance, maybe. It's not that complex of a tune with any fancy effects added... just straight forward rock guitar, bass, drums and vocals. Damn good... too!

[Fairwrning]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RspeLQKvV5c


Maybe the best music video in the history of mankind..

[Seshmeister]

My theory is maybe there was no mike stand available so Dave borrowed a guitar instead rather than stand naked without a prop. Who knows? :)

These were different times. Von asked how many people watching would have realized they were miming and I honestly think back in those days way less than half.

[Mike_Oxlong]

The music and vocals have late-90s/early-00s vibe. You're To Blame has a Rage b-side flavor at the start... competent musicians, nothing wrong with the music. Just not the type of music I'd listen to anymore.

[ZahZoo]

My theory is maybe there was no mike stand available so Dave borrowed a guitar instead rather than stand naked without a prop. Who knows? :)

These were different times. Von asked how many people watching would have realized they were miming and I honestly think back in those days way less than half.

That's a sad state of human awareness... fake performances/miming wasn't anything new. I remember arguing with my friends over Dick Clark's American Bandstand and pointing out their damn electric guitars weren't even cabled in the 60's...

[Nitro Express]

That's a sad state of human awareness... fake performances/miming wasn't anything new. I remember arguing with my friends over Dick Clark's American Bandstand and pointing out their damn electric guitars weren't even cabled in the 60's...

It’s showbiz. You get a show. Not reality. Not just the music televisions shows. The Wrecking Crew were busy playing on albums of bands that didn’t even play their own songs. Live the girls screamed so loud nobody noticed they couldn’t play. Ha! Ha!

It’s always been a Hoax.

[Terry]

Solid song. If we still had a music industry it probably would get a lot of radio play. What stood out to me is how well everything was mixed.

Agreed.

Have only heard Distance and You're To Blame from the effort. Both solid efforts. Both mixed well, as I'm assuming the rest of the album is.

Overall, Wolfgang's/ Mammoth's stuff - what little I've heard so far - to me is professional-sounding and capable, without being exceptional.

In other words, were it a new pop rock band outta Idaho called Joe Blow And The Shmoes and I saw a clip of them playing either of the two Mammoth tracks I've heard on Kimmel, my reaction would be along the lines of thinking that the material sounded okay to decent. After that, I'd probably forget all about it rather quickly in terms of either of the two tunes being memorable to me. Distance I listened to several times after it was first released, and I honestly must say it hasn't exactly stuck with me. Not saying it stinks by any means...but just on its own merits and not as compared to anything Van Halen did or taking into account that Wolfgang is the kid of, I thought Distance was a decent tune. No more, no less.

Perhaps there are other tunes on the album that will resonate a bit more.

[Terry]

It’s showbiz. You get a show. Not reality. Not just the music televisions shows. The Wrecking Crew were busy playing on albums of bands that didn’t even play their own songs. Live the girls screamed so loud nobody noticed they couldn’t play. Ha! Ha!

It’s always been a Hoax.

Except for Menudo...THEY were the real deal.

And also...Josie And The Pussycats.

[ZahZoo]

Acoustic version of Distance... It appears this was recorded in the same studio/sessions used on Kimmel.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUL3mfTun4c&feature=emb_logo

[Nitro Express]

Agreed.

Have only heard Distance and You're To Blame from the effort. Both solid efforts. Both mixed well, as I'm assuming the rest of the album is.

Overall, Wolfgang's/ Mammoth's stuff - what little I've heard so far - to me is professional-sounding and capable, without being exceptional.

In other words, were it a new pop rock band outta Idaho called Joe Blow And The Shmoes and I saw a clip of them playing either of the two Mammoth tracks I've heard on Kimmel, my reaction would be along the lines of thinking that the material sounded okay to decent. After that, I'd probably forget all about it rather quickly in terms of either of the two tunes being memorable to me. Distance I listened to several times after it was first released, and I honestly must say it hasn't exactly stuck with me. Not saying it stinks by any means...but just on its own merits and not as compared to anything Van Halen did or taking into account that Wolfgang is the kid of, I thought Distance was a decent tune. No more, no less.

Perhaps there are other tunes on the album that will resonate a bit more.

I see it the same way. They are decent songs but nothing magical about them. Distance was a nice memorial from a son who loved his dad. Where I have the most respect for Wolfgang is he didn't let the tragedy of losing his dad stop him from getting out there and pushing forward. Not easy, especially when you have the luxury and means of not having to do it. The guy could have just hid from the public and did nothing. That would have been easier.

Ed was a once in a lifetime talent. I think we all remember the first time we heard Eruption or Mean Streets or something else great the guy did. You can count the people who bring that kind of magic to the world on one hand. It's rare as hell and I have no expectations that is going to pass on down to the children.

Where I have the respect for Wolfgang is he's doing something. Sure he can get on shows because of who his dad was but he's taking advantage of that opportunity during a hard emotional time for him and hey his songs aren't bad. Will Mammoth WVH be around in five years? I have no idea but I wish the guy the best.

[Nitro Express]

Except for Menudo...THEY were the real deal.

And also...Josie And The Pussycats.

Well who doesn't like a steaming hot bowl of tripe soup? Josie? Meow!

[Terry]

I see it the same way. They are decent songs but nothing magical about them. Distance was a nice memorial from a son who loved his dad. Where I have the most respect for Wolfgang is he didn't let the tragedy of losing his dad stop him from getting out there and pushing forward. Not easy, especially when you have the luxury and means of not having to do it. The guy could have just hid from the public and did nothing. That would have been easier.

Ed was a once in a lifetime talent. I think we all remember the first time we heard Eruption or Mean Streets or something else great the guy did. You can count the people who bring that kind of magic to the world on one hand. It's rare as hell and I have no expectations that is going to pass on down to the children.

Where I have the respect for Wolfgang is he's doing something. Sure he can get on shows because of who his dad was but he's taking advantage of that opportunity during a hard emotional time for him and hey his songs aren't bad. Will Mammoth WVH be around in five years? I have no idea but I wish the guy the best.

I agree in general terms with all of that: the two tunes I've heard certainly didn't strike me as terrible or less than average. Just taking those two tracks into consideration simply on the merits of the music - inasmuch as one can put Wolfgang's lineage and the Van Halen catalog to one side when listening to the tunes - Mammoth 2021's stuff is okay. Is it good to the point where it would be getting the attention it is had it been created by a band full of unknown musicians? I tend to doubt it, but in the entertainment business you use whatever edge you have to get noticed, and I'm still naive enough to believe that in the end it will be the content of the creation that ensures or denies success, subjective as musical tastes are. In some ways, a "kid of" a famous musician/actor/athlete works against the kid. I mean, were I the kid/relative of someone famous, would I want to go into that same field and have to endure constant comparisons to my famous relative? I dunno...I suppose I'd have to hear what Ziggy Marley, Julian Lennon, Dale Earnhardt Jr or Clint Howard had to say about the topic of double-edged swords re: nepotism...well, maybe not so much Clint Howard...

I don't wish [Wolfgang] any ill will: if he is doing what he wants to do in terms of making music, good for him. All he can do is create what he wants to create and put it out there. After that, the reaction of the listeners is out of his hands.

I do like the fact that Wolfgang's music is clearly his own, in that he's obviously not trying to ape the Van Halen sound...taking one of the earlier names Van Halen used in the backyard party days and showing a few images of VH behind the group on the Kimmel appearance strike me more as something Wolfgang did out of love for his father and Van Halen rather than some cynical ploy.

[Terry]

Well who doesn't like a steaming hot bowl of tripe soup? Josie? Meow!

Me likey tripey.

[So this is love]

I see it the same way. They are decent songs but nothing magical about them. Distance was a nice memorial from a son who loved his dad. Where I have the most respect for Wolfgang is he didn't let the tragedy of losing his dad stop him from getting out there and pushing forward. Not easy, especially when you have the luxury and means of not having to do it. The guy could have just hid from the public and did nothing. That would have been easier.

Ed was a once in a lifetime talent. I think we all remember the first time we heard Eruption or Mean Streets or something else great the guy did. You can count the people who bring that kind of magic to the world on one hand. It's rare as hell and I have no expectations that is going to pass on down to the children.

Where I have the respect for Wolfgang is he's doing something. Sure he can get on shows because of who his dad was but he's taking advantage of that opportunity during a hard emotional time for him and hey his songs aren't bad. Will Mammoth WVH be around in five years? I have no idea but I wish the guy the best.

Exactly! wtf

[So this is love]

I see it the same way. They are decent songs but nothing magical about them. Distance was a nice memorial from a son who loved his dad. Where I have the most respect for Wolfgang is he didn't let the tragedy of losing his dad stop him from getting out there and pushing forward. Not easy, especially when you have the luxury and means of not having to do it. The guy could have just hid from the public and did nothing. That would have been easier.

Ed was a once in a lifetime talent. I think we all remember the first time we heard Eruption or Mean Streets or something else great the guy did. You can count the people who bring that kind of magic to the world on one hand. It's rare as hell and I have no expectations that is going to pass on down to the children.

Where I have the respect for Wolfgang is he's doing something. Sure he can get on shows because of who his dad was but he's taking advantage of that opportunity during a hard emotional time for him and hey his songs aren't bad. Will Mammoth WVH be around in five years? I have no idea but I wish the guy the best.

Your second paragraph is perfectly worded. RIP EVH

[So this is love]

Very interesting! and I wish WVH the best in his endeavour and I have no doubt he will succeed. From what I have heard he seems as a good person...and thats all that matters in the end, is it not?. as I watch his father doing his thing on YT...

[Von Halen]

Acoustic version of Distance... It appears this was recorded in the same studio/sessions used on Kimmel.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUL3mfTun4c&feature=emb_logo

The kid is definitely a Van Halen.

He said in the interview the album is a "hard rock" album. I can't wait to hear the whole thing. I'm not as excited as I would be for a Van Halen album, or live show on DVD, or anything from the real VH, but I am really looking forward to this album.

[Fairwrning]

Wonder what would be happening if Ed were alive. Wolf opening for original band? "Kitchen sink" tour? This wouldn't be the first single so I don't think Mammoth VH would be on Kimmell or today shows..Ed dying really changed this kids future at a pivotal time.
And what is with the giant crab on the cover?

[Fairwrning]

I completely forgot about this covid bullshit..everybody would be sitting on their asses...

[Mushroom]

Guys, it was live. There are reasons it sounds good:
1. Actual professional musicians who rehearse and practice.
2. Sound check dialed in the mix at the soundboard.

[Kristy]

Check it out. Montrose and a MONTROSE COVER BAND on the same bill. What a deal.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ez5UC_XWUAEey7y?format=jpg

[Nickdfresh]

Check it out. Montrose and a MONTROSE COVER BAND on the same bill. What a deal.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ez5UC_XWUAEey7y?format=jpg

No shit, Sherlock! Any other groundbreaking "special"notes you can bring us today?
https://slm-assets.secondlife.com/assets/11053670/view_large/hqdefault.jpg


Van Halen's crew intimidated Ronny threatening to kick his ass and that of his stage crew if he didn't stop his prolonged wankfest tunings after his soundcheck was over. His career disappeared shortly thereafter that tour.

And oh yeah, Eddie Van Halen accidentally doused Steve Perry with Guacamole after a a hissy fight with Roth. When Warner Bros called their manager after vaguely threatening to fire Van Halen if anything else happened, Monk almost laughed as Van Halen WAS the headlinger by the end...

[Kristy]

Van Halen's crew intimidated Ronny threatening to kick his ass and that of his stage crew if he didn't stop his prolonged wankfest tunings after his soundcheck was over. His career disappeared shortly thereafter that tour.




Well..! These Van Halens are not nice people.

[Nickdfresh]

Well..! These Van Halens are not nice people.

I think they meant well overall. But sometimes drugs, alcohol, and the ego of being a savant genius can make you sort of bastards some of the time...

They did say they were sorry to Steve and Noel Monk cleaned him off with paper towels for the show LOL...

[FORD]

Funny thing about that Journey poster.... it's dated 1978, but Steve Perry isn't even in the picture. He joined the band in October 1977 and already had released the "Infinity" album by the time of the concert listed on that poster. They have George Tickner in the picture, who left the band in 1975.

Here's the same picture without the "grainy" effects....
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-E1W2a7Fjufo/VwsO4O2Jz1I/AAAAAAAAC4M/Et45wfY3w4gAn56dd2sfgJZgVOfERGnYQ/s1600/1975-04-01-Journey%2BInner%2B1.jpeg

[Mushroom]

Funny thing about that Journey poster.... it's dated 1978, but Steve Perry isn't even in the picture. He joined the band in October 1977 and already had released the "Infinity" album by the time of the concert listed on that poster. They have George Tickner in the picture, who left the band in 1975.

Here's the same picture without the "grainy" effects....
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-E1W2a7Fjufo/VwsO4O2Jz1I/AAAAAAAAC4M/Et45wfY3w4gAn56dd2sfgJZgVOfERGnYQ/s1600/1975-04-01-Journey%2BInner%2B1.jpeg

Neal has a huge perm-a-fro! He's just a baby stoner here. On the other hand, George and Ansley already look like grandpas.

[FORD]

Neal started out young. He was only 16 when he joined Santana in 1971. So he was probably 20 or 21 when that picture was taken.

[Nitro Express]

Neal started out young. He was only 16 when he joined Santana in 1971. So he was probably 20 or 21 when that picture was taken.

I have a friend who was in a band in San Francisco and they had some studio time booked. Neal Schon very apologeticly said they needed the studio but he would pay for my friend’s band’s studio time if they rescheduled. They agreed so they got a freebie from Neal.

[Kristy]

I think they meant well overall. But sometimes drugs, alcohol, and the ego of being a savant genius can make you sort of bastards some of the time...

They did say they were sorry to Steve and Noel Monk cleaned him off with paper towels for the show LOL...

Well, what's their mother's number? I'm going to give her a call.