Dave Smokes Sam 2002

[Romeo Delight]

I have never seen much of this footage until today.

Roth and band really smoke Sam, not that I am surprised, but it's kind of embarassing for Sam.

https://youtu.be/Hj-c4kJGYKQ

[Nitro Express]

Oh good. He smoked Sam with his performance. I was worried Dave gave Sam a blowjob.

[Terry]

I have the Camden, NJ and Hartford, CT shows from the 2002 tour around somewhere on dvd. Only the Roth sets on those. He pretty much played the same set every night, so there's not much difference between the Camden and Hartford shows. Not much difference between those two and the Charlotte, NC set above, either. The 2002 band was a well-rehearsed unit serving up Classic Van Halen - I think Dave did maybe one solo tune in the set in 2002 - and that's what people wanted to hear. Brian did a good job copping Eddie's licks. Dave...well, he looked a bit silly cosmetically speaking. Then again, probably no more ridiculous than he had in 1986, the obvious difference being the age.

I had never seen any Hagar stuff from that tour prior to that clip above. Watched some of it. Hagar's never been my cup of tea, so I don't even know what my take on his show would be worth...probably not much to anybody who likes what he does.

I'm not even sure I really could compare what those guys were doing in 2002, because Dave was basically serving up CVH. Hagar was doing some Van Hagar and some Hagar solo stuff. I can't make a comparison beyond my personal preference. I mean, Sammy's set was what I assume he does, which is his Cabo Wabo Tequila Party - his half-baked version of Margaritaville - and Dave was trying to pretend it was 1986. I'd prefer a washed-up Roth over Hagar at his best, for whatever that is worth.

[Vinnie Velvet]

I have the Camden, NJ and Hartford, CT shows from the 2002 tour around somewhere on dvd. Only the Roth sets on those. He pretty much played the same set every night, so there's not much difference between the Camden and Hartford shows. Not much difference between those two and the Charlotte, NC set above, either. The 2002 band was a well-rehearsed unit serving up Classic Van Halen - I think Dave did maybe one solo tune in the set in 2002 - and that's what people wanted to hear. Brian did a good job copping Eddie's licks. Dave...well, he looked a bit silly cosmetically speaking. Then again, probably no more ridiculous than he had in 1986, the obvious difference being the age.

I had never seen any Hagar stuff from that tour prior to that clip above. Watched some of it. Hagar's never been my cup of tea, so I don't even know what my take on his show would be worth...probably not much to anybody who likes what he does.

I'm not even sure I really could compare what those guys were doing in 2002, because Dave was basically serving up CVH. Hagar was doing some Van Hagar and some Hagar solo stuff. I can't make a comparison beyond my personal preference. I mean, Sammy's set was what I assume he does, which is his Cabo Wabo Tequila Party - his half-baked version of Margaritaville - and Dave was trying to pretend it was 1986. I'd prefer a washed-up Roth over Hagar at his best, for whatever that is worth.

Dave's vocals were good and he was in excellent physical shape.

I actually liked his look with exception to the hair. He was trying real hard to retain (or regrow?) what he had before. Otherwise it was Dave being Dave.

[Terry]

I'd agree that Dave remained physically fit throughout his career. His vocals on the 2002 tour were good.

His appearance on that tour kinda made me cringe a bit in terms of the stage clothes and the hair. But the vocals were good and the backing band played the CVH stuff well.

[Nitro Express]

I'd agree that Dave remained physically fit throughout his career. His vocals on the 2002 tour were good.

His appearance on that tour kinda made me cringe a bit in terms of the stage clothes and the hair. But the vocals were good and the backing band played the CVH stuff well.

I thought the clothes and hair were silly. Dave could have cut that shit loose and just had his normal hair and dressed more normal and it might have been a bit better actually. Nothing worse than seeing an aging rock star trying too hard.

You just need to own your age and go I can do more sit ups than most you mother fuckers and own it. No clown costumes needed.

[Nitro Express]

Dave’s 2002 lineup looked like a bunch of So-Cal surfer trash but I think sonically they were pretty good.

[Terry]

Dave’s 2002 lineup looked like a bunch of So-Cal surfer trash but I think sonically they were pretty good.

At least they had a specific look to them, unlike Dave's 2020 and 2022 lineups, which just looked like any old bunch of schlubs dressed in mundane 'Rock Star' garb.

Like, here's another putz with unscuffed Doc Martins, a black t shirt and black jeans featuring a wallet chain.

[Nitro Express]

One reason I liked rock and roll is it had great characters in it. Yeah the cookie cutter poser thing is quite annoying. I had a roommate from Rockford, Illinois and his mom was good friends with Karen Nielsen. Rick Nielsen's wife. They used to go over to their house and swim in their pool and he said Rick is always like the guy you see on stage. He's one eccentric motherfucker but he's brilliant that way. He said the Nielsen's were a super cool family though. But I like the eccentric characters that are just that way and they are going to do stuff that's totally original. Roth was one of them.

[Terry]

I suppose I'm yet again mildly lamenting what rock and roll has morphed into over the decades.

I mean, I understand that there was always the business aspect of it there, and part of the business was selling the image of it.

Going back a few decades, at least rock and roll had a sense of individuality and a sense that the music form was moving forward.

Like, with Cheap Trick, each member had a distinctive, non-cookie cutter visual image and the group had an individuality to their music.

I think it may have been somewhere in the mid-1990's after the explosion of the Seattle-based bands died down that rock and roll just stopped growing or developing or pushing the envelope. I dunno if it was a combination of reunion tours like The Eagles and KISS making massive amounts of money that made nostalgia the easy path to take, or fewer young people being interested in the music form, or the proliferation of home computers/internet/pirated music (because why would an established rock act want to bother putting their heart and soul into new music only to have it downloaded for free: musicians doubtless want to get paid).

I remember in the late 1970's throughout the 1980's seeing ads in the newspaper for concerts by pop stars and old groups that were big in the 1950's and early 1960's. Frankie Avalon, Frankie Valli, The Four Seasons, Fats Domino, The Everly Brothers. Dozens of these 'Golden Oldie' acts. They'd be doing gigs at these sorts of second tier venues, usually in a package deal with several acts on the same bill. All of 'em 15 to 20 years past their prime. The nostalgia circuit. That's where virtually the entirety of the rock bands I liked have been at for twenty years now; they may be filling bigger venues these days than those Golden Oldie package tours were 40 years ago, but the net effect is exactly the same.

You had the explosion of the form in the mid-1950's. The psychedelic era of the late 1960's. Hard rock and Glam in the 1970's. Heavy Metal in the 1980's. Grunge in the early 1990's. I dunno what else...Nu Metal in the mid-to-late 1990's; wasn't a fan of that particular form, but at least it was along the lines of pushing the form...taking a chance, doing something new within the rock form. As was the case with each of those eras I mentioned, where every decade or so something different happened within the genre.

Seems to me that rock and roll just ceased to become creative and vibrant around the year 2000. It became stale musically, visually, from top-to-bottom it no longer had an ounce of danger or unpredictability. That's when the modern-day rock pretenders, complete with all the 'acceptable' rock uniforms (the brand new Doc Martens boots, black jeans, chain tattoos on the bicep, dark black dyed hair) took over. You can tell they look at rock music strictly as a career, solely a viable business option. Yeah, way back when "believing in Rock 'n Roll, man!!" was sort of silly, but at least it was a belief in something, as opposed to merely dressing the part, half-heartedly going through the motions while performing, updating your social media feed with your onstage posing, making sure you are playing whatever musical gear you're endorsing when you're posing for your instagram pics and checking the amount of 'Likes' you're getting.

From what I've been seeing and hearing since 2000, it's really pop/rap/electronic music that takes chances and pushes the envelope forward. Rock music became too packaged and stale to be inspired by.

[Terry]

Anyway, what the fuck is this thread about?

Oh, yeah...um, fuck that red cheese Spaumula! If anybody is smoking anybody, Sammy is definitely smoking Dave! Because smoking equals blowing equals fag, and the only fag in 2002 was the Red Rocker!!!

[Fairwrning]

Went to the Charlotte show..Dave opened and kicked ass. Sound was great ( outdoors) , band was tight, Dave was singing the words...Good size crowd..I stayed for 3 Sammy songs I think and MA was going to play with him..Drive home was 4-5 hours..that was the last time I did coke...

[Nitro Express]

Oh I think there's always been a large amount of posing and fakeness in the music industry. You have fake groups in the 60's with professional musicians (the famous Wreaking Crew) making the music. Everyone loved the Monkee's though. There just has to be something appealing to the fake. It's like nacho cheese. It's completely processed but people love the shit. Nacho cheese is one of the most successful fakes in history. Soy burgers not so much.

[Nitro Express]

But Sam has been selling nacho cheese for for almost a half century. That right there tells me how low the IQ is of some people in our society. Yes there are people that stupid. But he's still out prancing and dancing with his fat chum Guy (the fake cook) selling Wabo Tacos slathered in fake cheese.

[Nitro Express]

Sam is Gary Glitter wearing a Sombrero.