Wolfgang van halen says sammy hagar era "doesn't get any respect"

[Rikk]

WOLFGANG VAN HALEN SAYS SAMMY HAGAR ERA "DOESN'T GET ANY RESPECT"
Ultimate Classic Rock
March 16, 2013

https://ultimateclassicrock.com/wolfgang-van-halen-sammy-hagar-era/

Wolfgang Van Halen has bemoaned what he sees as a lack of respect for the Sammy Hagar era of Van Halen. The topic came up during a conversation with Oklahoma City radio station KATT.

He was asked about his level of involvement with Van Halen band reissues, specifically the upcoming limited vinyl release of the Live: Right Here, Right Now album, scheduled for a Record Store Day release in April.

"[Alex Van Halen] is, obviously, he's the head honcho when it comes to making the decisions," he explained. "Obviously, I default to him on anything that he thinks is the right thing to do. But when it comes to decision-making or at least just kind of helping out, yeah, I am that sort of what would have been my dad's vote for stuff there with Al. So Al and I are kind of that team."

Live: Right Here, Right Now marks the first Van Halen reissue focusing on the band’s Van Hagar era, a fact that didn't seem lost on Wolfgang.

"That era [of Van Halen] doesn't get any respect, I don't think," he noted. "And there's a lot of amazing songs and just obviously brilliant guitar playing on a lot of that - on all of that stuff - and I think people don't give it a chance 'cause they fall into that just exhausting 'this singer is better, this singer is better' crap, when it's, like, just give it a chance. There's some really good stuff in there."

The youngest Van Halen is currently on the road with his band, Mammoth WVH. After completing their run of headlining dates, the group will open for Metallica and Pantera later this year.

[Rikk]

This entitled little brat needs to really shut his mouth. He continues to pretend nepotism isn't the only reason he has a touring band that is being given crucial opening slots for bigger bands who have earned their status through popularity and hard work.

Rock music is (sadly) not a prime contender for the music that is spoken about and lauded in various corners of the industry. Not any more. I don't care what the Grammys and other industry showcases think. I could care less about Rolling Stone magazine, which pretty much ignores rock music at this point, instead writing long articles about the "brilliance" of Taylor Swift and Nicki Minaj.

I do know, however, that if all rock music sounded like MAMMOTH WVH, I would not be a fan of rock music. The guy (he's not a kid, so people need to stop calling him that) is free to make whatever music he wants. His music does not sound remotely like the previous music that rolled out of 5150 Studios. I do know, however, that just because he's Eddie's son does not mean that I have to show him some sort of musical respect. I cannot stand his really generic, boring songs. He has no charisma as a singer. His playing (drums, bass, guitars) is very workmanlike, with nothing unique to bring attention to it. But, worst of all, his songs are just...dull. They're just there.

Even Van Hagar's music had a spark to it that MAMMOTH WVH does not. The singing on Van Hagar records was very workmanlike and uninteresting...but Eddie had occasional flashes of brilliance that made him continue to stand out from the pack...even if he allowed said music to be watered down by unimaginative vocal melodies, half-assed lyrics and rooms full of yes-men.

Wolfgang is constantly attacking and insulting fans for having opinions. He seems to not understand that the supply of Van Halen fans willing to give his stuff a chance is not an endless supply. The more he insults them and calls them "losers," the less of them will stick around for his music. I would venture to guess that the lion's share of people who bought his debut LP were curious Van Halen fans. If he makes it his mission in life to insult them every time it's been more than an hour since he had his last 24-inch hero sandwich, he will alienate the majority of curious fans who try to stick around.

And while he continues to attack fans for having opinions that don't align with his, "My dad was a God, my music is now and fans had better not say anything not in-line with my views on Van Halen or I will attack them" viewpoints, he then throws out his own opinions that many fans don't agree with...like his claiming that "I think people don't give it a chance 'cause they fall into that just exhausting 'this singer is better, this singer is better' crap."

What this walrus does not seem to understand is that many years ago, when Van Hagar released music, fans DID give it a chance. They listened. And they said, "I don't like this." I was 10 when 5150 was released. I was a small kid, basically. 1984 had been my favorite album. When I heard the new stuff, I didn't like it. So I didn't listen to any new Van Halen music for years. Later in the 1990s, I did eventually get the rest of the Van Halen albums and gave them a chance. I liked certain tracks (BLACK 'N' BLUE, "5150," PLEASURE DOME, AFTERSHOCK), but for the most part, I was biding my time, waiting for Dave to return. ME WISE MAGIC and CAN'T GET THIS STUFF NO MORE were the two best Van Halen songs I'd heard since I bought 1984 as a child.

This wasn't just angry fans blindly refusing to give the band a chance because Dave was gone. People listened and tried it. Van Hagar sold well when it existed. But history has (rightfully) not been kind to it. I have Sirius XM. They play tons of Van Halen material (even album cuts). I cannot remember the last time I heard a Van Hagar cut (except hearing WHY CAN'T THIS BE LOVE once a couple months back). People simply do not remember that stuff with much reverence. Yes, there is good guitar-playing in parts. But the stuff was dated by the band hiring a very 80s singer. It doesn't stand out.

Now, after whining about Van Halen fans for three solid years, he's attacking them because they never gave the Sammy stuff a chance? Shut up, Wolfgang. We don't all look up to you. We don't think your word is gold. Yes, you are biologically your dad's son. But this music has been in our lives longer than it's been in yours. We know what we like.

I'm not going to even claim that I never listen to Eddie without Dave. I do. But it's A LOT LESS OFTEN.

And I'm not going to listen to some overweight rich kid tell me off about my musical opinions.

Rikk

P.S. I'm planning on seeing Metallica this summer. The only reason I might be at a MAMMOTH WVH show is because I want to go to Soldier Field on the night that Pantera opens for Metallica (now Pantera IS an awesome band). And I care SO LITTLE about Wolfgang and his stupid band that I plan on arriving with my daughter right before Pantera goes on because I don't want to sit through a set of painfully-boring MAMMOTH WVH music.

[twonabomber]

Wolfgang has his mother's attitude toward VH fans and social media.

[So this is love]

Ouch!

[Kristy]

Rock music is (sadly) not a prime contender for the music that is spoken about and lauded in various corners of the industry. Not any more. I don't care what the Grammys and other industry showcases think. I could care less about Rolling Stone magazine, which pretty much ignores rock music at this point, instead writing long articles about the "brilliance" of Taylor Swift and Nicki Minaj.

My favorite Republican poster is back!

Anyway, I have talked in great detail on this forum about the brilliance of Taylor Swift only to find slave FORD deleting my post.


Even Van Hagar's music had a spark to it...

Really? When was this? By "spark" I assume corporate influence. S P A M M Y is the definition of wrought corporate mush. His lyrics are inane, cheesy and like Ms. Swift written on a notebook in their sophomore year of high school.


Wolfgang is constantly attacking and insulting fans for having opinions. He seems to not understand that the supply of Van Halen fans willing to give his stuff a chance is not an endless supply. The more he insults them and calls them "losers," the less of them will stick around for his music. I would venture to guess that the lion's share of people who bought his debut LP were curious Van Halen fans. If he makes it his mission in life to insult them every time it's been more than an hour since he had his last 24-inch hero sandwich, he will alienate the majority of curious fans who try to stick around.

As for the F A T Wolf Man Child there is no spark to his music. I find a lot of it recycled 90s metal with a tincture of grunge. Not much original and not only that, he never paid a "due" in his entitled life. There is no...no...how can I say this...um, wisdom in his playing. Repetitive riffs are fine if you have a great middle eight part and fellow musicians to back up your talent. The F A T Wold Man Child seemed to have played all the instruments on his Woolly Mammoth debut so there's no chemistry among other players - this was manifest on his live performances. So he can finger tap and play 'Hawt for Teacher' like his daddy. Big deal. A lot of guitar players can do that. He can win over the hearts of that hack (p)Rick somebody that slave SESH likes. He can stand there with thousands of dollars of equipment that he never had to work for and dump his poop into the eyes of Classic Van Halen fans that since he came from his daddy's balls so he just a chip off the block and thus deserves to be where he is today.

I can see the F A T Wolf Man Child and S P A M M Y hooking up even they haven't already on their Grinder app in order to create a cash cow for the shit tards who to this day still believe that OUI82 was a great album. Perhaps they can write another corporate anthem together for Pepsi, you know, to recreate that spark you're talking about.

[Rikk]

He can stand there with thousands of dollars of equipment that he never had to work for and dump his poop into the eyes of Classic Van Halen fans that since he came from his daddy's balls so he just a chip off the block and thus deserves to be where he is today.

You've managed to say in one sentence what I said in too many... That's exactly it.

Sorry to break your heart in wishing I were one of those warm-hearted Republicans. I'm afraid not.

But yes...you summed it up pretty well.

By the way, when I say "spark," I mean a relative term. I mean there are "sparks" of musical brilliance in some of the music...again, all watered-down by bad lyrics and lame singing.

If Van Hagar is a spark, Van Halen is a fire.

Wolfgang is a wet gasp of flatulence.

[Rikk]

Wolfgang has his mother's attitude toward VH fans and social media.

Yeah, they're both pretty sad.

[Seshmeister]

Wolfgang has his mother's attitude toward VH fans and social media.

And cake.

[ZahZoo]

"That era [of Van Halen] doesn't get any respect, I don't think,"

That's an odd and ironic statement coming from a Van Halen with a controlling vote in how that part of the catalog is managed today, plus how it was managed previously by his father and uncle Al...

At the time of its release... the material got the respect it deserved from the sales and touring support the fan base who were drawn to it paid out. But, most of the material didn't stand up over time in comparison to the original Van Halen line-up with Roth.

After that miserable 2004 tour, best forgotten... Ed and Al parked that whole portion of the catalog in the back yard and treated it like a gawd damned embarrassment that never happened. 18+ years later whining about it not getting respect...

You're damn right Skippy... it doesn't deserve it. This is akin to claiming a 90's Saturn S-Series was an engineering marvel of the automotive industry...

[Vinnie Velvet]

Fatty needs to STFU.

He's sounding more and more like his mom and a disciple of Sam.

What could be worse.

[Vinnie Velvet]

Also Fatty doesn't realize that its not just because of the singers that separate Van Hagar from the original, its also the music.

Ed came out with some really forgetful wankery during the Hagar years. A lot of lazy, uninspired playing.
Ed's increased alcoholism didn't help but he was also not challenged on anything and didn't have the that 'tug a war', competitive aspect that he had with Dave. Which made both shine through and come out with some blistering music.

With Hagar it was the opposite. Ed was too laid back and it showed.

[Silexxx]

And it's not like those Hagar albums haven't been available this whole time. They're not like Tony Martin era of Black Sabbath that's not available for streaming. Or those early Pantera albums that didn't even get cd releases back in the day.

[Von Halen]

I recently went to see Alter Bridge. MammothWhaleboy opened. I made sure I got to the venue after his set was over. I have no desire to see this dude perform his shitty music. Especially with his sorry ass attitude toward VH fan.

I'm a little surprised Al is releasing this. Given his obvious disdain for Clichegar.

I hate to break it to fat boy, but his "vote" doesn't count. Al will do whatever the fuck he wants to do. If fat boy wants to make himself feel better by claiming to have a vote, fine. But he obviously had zero input in this release.

[twonabomber]

LOL on the front page of Ultimate Classic Rock

https://i.imgur.com/M6Bz1Ie.png

[Vinnie Velvet]

And it's not like those Hagar albums haven't been available this whole time. They're not like Tony Martin era of Black Sabbath that's not available for streaming. Or those early Pantera albums that didn't even get cd releases back in the day.

Speaking of Tony Martin era Sabbath, Iommi has been working on a box set for those albums expected this year. So I imagine they will be back on streaming formats as well.

[twonabomber]

And cake.

https://i.imgur.com/1IfDuOg.png

[twonabomber]

https://i.imgur.com/Mh5P0F4.png

[Jérôme Frenchise]

This gives me nausea :

17290

Eddies' place occupied by lame, cheesy fuckers. Sacrilege!

[twonabomber]

I saw that, too.

It takes that many record company turds to sign a band? Maybe it was a field trip.

[Nickdfresh]

I think Wolfie should airbrush any Sammy Hagar off that era of albums and put his picture in his place, because he's "legit!" Maybe the music will get more respect with his genius bass playing associated with it?

[Nickdfresh]

You've managed to say in one sentence what I said in too many... That's exactly it.

Sorry to break your heart in wishing I were one of those warm-hearted Republicans. I'm afraid not.

But yes...you summed it up pretty well.

By the way, when I say "spark," I mean a relative term. I mean there are "sparks" of musical brilliance in some of the music...again, all watered-down by bad lyrics and lame singing.

If Van Hagar is a spark, Van Halen is a fire.

Wolfgang is a wet gasp of flatulence.

The only fire out of Sammy would be his farts being ignited by said sparks...

[Nickdfresh]

LOL on the front page of Ultimate Classic Rock



I wish I could find that photochop pic someone posted at the links in 2007 during the reunion of with the faux-press conference pic of a table of all the members of Van Halen at it; with Dave and the cliche cheeky smile, 2004 Ed looking like he is asking for bus fare after falling out of a crackhouse, and Alex in his neck brace/dog cone. And Wolfie is at nose level at the table just so you can see his eyes peaking over it, I fucking pissed myself...

[FORD]

Anyway, I have talked in great detail on this forum about the brilliance of Taylor Swift only to find slave FORD deleting my post.


Absolutely false. I would never delete any post talking about Taylor Swift. I'd be too busy laughing at it :biggrin:

Also, I got some weird bug going on with Firefox which won't even let me delete or edit my own posts, let alone anybody else's. It's really starting to piss me off, but not enough to force me into using a Googlespamware browser.

[FORD]

Speaking of Tony Martin era Sabbath, Iommi has been working on a box set for those albums expected this year. So I imagine they will be back on streaming formats as well.

The demand for that material is probably even less than the demand for Van Hagar.

[Terry]

Thing of it is, it wasn't even up to the musicians in the various lineups of Van Halen (much less their kids or wives) back in the day as to how the public would react to the music or the lineups. It was up to the individual listeners. Always has been and still is.

I gave Van Halen with Hagar a fair shot. More than a fair shot. That lineup didn't do it for me and didn't do it for a lot of people who dug CVH. What Eddie might have thought about that one way or the other mattered not back in the day, thus what his kid or his ex-wife thinks about it now matters even less: the band puts the material out and the listener(s) decide if it's something they like or not. Plus, that LRHRN album - even by Van Hagar's diminished standards - still sucks; it's not like it's gonna get any better just because Eddie died.

It's as if Eddie's kid thinks we need to take his feelings into account or get his seal of approval as to how we approach what Van Halen as a band did. Yeah, well, tough. I still have little to no use for anything Van Halen did when Roth wasn't in the band, and that stance developed (and remains in place) strictly on my reaction to the musical output. If I had enjoyed what Van Halen did with Hagar or Cherone, then I would have enjoyed what Van Halen did with Hagar and Cherone and the whole 'who is the best singer in Van Halen' biz wouldn't have mattered to me. Same as my reaction to the Mammoth record, in that if I liked what I had heard whatever feelings I had about nepotism wouldn't have prevented me from enjoying the music.

[ashstralia]

Funny enough, I bought EEAS and 5150 on vinyl the same day, long story…

5150 was like a curiosity, my then favourite guitarist with a whole new version and vibe.

EEAS was full of superior playing and writing, with fire and that quirky sense of humour that is uniquely DLR.

By the way, I think it’s really really super lame to pick on anyone because of what their body looks like.
The bottom line (see what I did there?) is does the music move me… apart from the tribute song for his dad, no it doesn’t. Dime a dozen corporate writing by numbers.

[twonabomber]

I guess I won't be going to any meet and greets soon :D

[So this is love]

It took me a few years digesting DLRs departure from VH but I knew they were a disfunctional bunch. I never purchased the new 5150 album in 85 or 86, then later on I gave OU812 a shot buying the cassette when it came out, I also bought the FUCK cd and cassette and even went to one of the show and I remember the arena was half empty. Finally, in '95 I brought my then girlfriend to another attempt at a Van Hagar show supporting the Balance tour and I remember back then being ridiculed by quite a few people I know to even go to that. EVH made me buy into Van Hagar (there are some great guitar work on these albums even on the VHIII) so I tried my best to like this version of a band but it doesn't grow on me nor VHIII. I cannot go past Sammy's singing and still to this day I have a hard time with his voice that sounds like chalk on blackboard noise. Van Hagar does not even stand the test of time... So yes, I think I gave Van Hagar a fair shot.

[Jérôme Frenchise]

The band made it clear on stage over the 2007-2015 period in the set lists, and I don't remember Ed ever evoking Van Hagar during those years, anyway.
So why would Wolf deplore that it doesn't get enough respect, otherwise than in terms of royalties?... No respect = no sales = too little money in his own pockets.

That statement of his is odd as well in that he was supposed to have had some big influence on Ed in favor of Dave's comeback within the band.

Wolf looks more and more uncool.

[FORD]

Wolfie really thinks I should "respect" THIS???


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPAo0ReyCpE

[Terry]

Funny enough, I bought EEAS and 5150 on vinyl the same day, long story…

5150 was like a curiosity, my then favourite guitarist with a whole new version and vibe.

EEAS was full of superior playing and writing, with fire and that quirky sense of humour that is uniquely DLR.

By the way, I think it’s really really super lame to pick on anyone because of what their body looks like.
The bottom line (see what I did there?) is does the music move me… apart from the tribute song for his dad, no it doesn’t. Dime a dozen corporate writing by numbers.

A large part of what drew me to the band back in the day was Eddie's playing.

I bought 5150 when it was released. Had only heard the Why Can't It Be Love single in advance of the album. Wasn't thrilled with the single, but I figured I hadn't been all that thrilled with the Jump single either yet ended up liking much of the 1984 album: 5150 had 3/4's of Van Halen in it, thus the chances were good that something on the record would appeal to me the way the 6 albums with Roth had.

Nope.

Conversely, I wasn't thrilled with the CFTH EP. The promo videos were entertaining, but strictly in terms of the music not what I wanted from Roth. Still isn't...it's not as if I ever have a yearning these days to revisit Coconut Grove.

A few months after 5150 came out, EEAS was released. EEAS overall (I'm Easy has always been utterly disposable to me) was much more in tune with what I wanted to hear than 5150 was and it only took one spin of EEAS for me to conclude that Roth was the one who was gonna continue to conjure up the fire and fury of Van Halen. Van Hagar were going the route of synth pop combined with hard rock tracks that couldn't stand up against what the band had created when Roth was in it.

[Terry]

The band made it clear on stage over the 2007-2015 period in the set lists, and I don't remember Ed ever evoking Van Hagar during those years, anyway.
So why would Wolf deplore that it doesn't get enough respect, otherwise than in terms of royalties?... No respect = no sales = too little money in his own pockets.

That statement of his is odd as well in that he was supposed to have had some big influence on Ed in favor of Dave's comeback within the band.

Wolf looks more and more uncool.

I'll give the kid credit - not that it took a genius to realize this - for being sensible enough to realize people wanted to see Roth back in the band and sensible enough with each Roth tour to suggest throwing in different deep cuts along with the standard CVH live tunes. Apparently, Eddie's main interest in doing those last three tours was the enjoyment he got playing with his kid. Would have preferred Anthony instead of Wolfgang, but seemingly Wolfgang being in the band was a deal-breaker re: Eddie reforming with Roth (or Eddie doing anything other than sitting around his house drinking Smoking Loon and smoking himself into oblivion a la crystal meth).

Now that Eddie has passed, the only thing Wolfgang has to retain my interest is the music HE makes. His comments on the offstage relationships the members of Van Halen had (or have) isn't of any particular interest to me because Van Halen is over. If Wolfgang's music is gonna continue along the lines of the first Mammoth album, his relevance to me will be none.

At the end of the day, the music is the thing.

[Rikk]

...that LRHRN album - even by Van Hagar's diminished standards - still sucks...

Indeed! It's really pathetic...because they already weren't NEARLY the band they had been with Dave. But that live album is such a joke. You take a classic band that hasn't had a live album before and then put out this bloated, boring, lazy live LP with a REALLY dull setlist (for God's sakes, it has practically every song from F.U.C.K., which is in my opinion VH's worst-ever album). And even the individual solos on this album are the pits. Just boring arena rock crap without any of the fun that happened during the Dave tours.

To be honest, a live album just made from the New Haven show they filmed for LIVE WITHOUT A NET would have been a much better live album. It was still nowhere near the level the band had shown on the VAN HALEN II, WACF, FAIR WARNING or 1984 tours...but at least it had some good performances ("5150"). But F.U.C.K. took all the very worst elements of Van Hagar and spread them out over a bloated 2-disc mess and basically, I'm sure, made new fans who decided to check it out take a listen and say, "Uh...I don't get it. Why is this band so celebrated?" You know you're in trouble when the very few Dave-era songs on this album are just terrible. The performance of JUMP on LIVE: RHRN is embarrassing. It's such a shitty, awful performance that makes me want to punch Hagar in the face over and over again. The way he keeps yelling, "Jump on..., jump on..., jump on..." JUST SHUT THE FUCK UP! YOU OBVIOUSLY DO NOT UNDERSTAND WHAT MADE THIS A GREAT SONG!! YOU RUINED IT, YOU CHEESE-HEAD SON OF A BITCH!!

[Rikk]

EEAS was full of superior playing and writing, with fire and that quirky sense of humour that is uniquely DLR.

SHYBOY alone kills anything on 5150.


The bottom line (see what I did there?) is does the music move me… apart from the tribute song for his dad, no it doesn’t. Dime a dozen corporate writing by numbers.

That's exactly what I think. Yeah, I thought the music video he released for that first single (sorry, I forgot the name) was moving...seeing all this old footage of Eddie living his life with his kid. That was kinda cool...but the song was terrible. I actually turned the sound off halfway through and just watched the footage.

NONE of the songs are remotely memorable. It BLOWS MY MIND that this man lived with Eddie Van Halen. He grew up practically INSIDE 5150 STUDIOS and ended up a very uninspired, talentless songwriter. Eddie used to rave, "Wait 'til you hear this kid! He's an incredible musician!" Well, I waited and hoped it would be something special.

I was SHOCKED at how poor the music was. If anyone in my band brought me ANY of these songs and said, "Can we try this one?", I would literally laugh and say, "No fucking way you're going to get me to sing this shit."

It's exactly what you said: corporate, rock-by-numbers crap. This kid learned NOTHING playing classic Van Halen songs for 10 years. He learned NOTHING about what makes a great song, what makes a dynamic rhythm section, nothing about what makes exciting and innovative guitar-playing.

The apple falls VERY FAR from the tree. And this fat son of a bitch who does not know how to make good music on his own IS NOT going to tell me what I should consider good taste. HE HAS NONE HIMSELF.

[Rikk]

Van Hagar does not even stand the test of time... So yes, I think I gave Van Hagar a fair shot.

That's just it. Chubby Wolf thinks this is some sort of issue of dumb fans just insisting on Dave or nothing without having done their research. Trust me, Wolfgang: we've inspected and tried this music the same way you inspect and devour an 18-inch loaded pizza by yourself.

We're not just idiots who choose Dave because we're following some sort of crowd-with-pitchforks mentality. I have almost never met a fan on here that doesn't have a similar story of hoping for the best after Dave left and ending up disappointed or even disgusted after hearing inferior album after inferior album Van Hagar album in Dave's glorious wake. WE ALL TRIED. And Van Hagar failed to impress. And some people kept the circus going because their girlfriends loved WHEN IT'S LOVE or whatever or because they just wanted to hear Eddie play.

But while I still run into people all the time who tell me FAIR WARNING changed their lives, I DO NOT run into people who tell me that FOR UNLAWFUL CARNAL KNOWLEDGE changed their lives. It's polished mediocrity. Nothing more.

[Rikk]

Wolf looks more and more uncool.

Indeed. I defended Wolf while lots of fan refused to go to Dave reunion shows because Mikey wasn't there. I viewed Mikey as a traitor, running off into the sunset with Cheese-head. I didn't care. I was just glad that Dave was back. And I loved A DIFFERENT KIND OF TRUTH and still do. I think there's a lot of truth to the idea that Wolfgang kept the band going by pushing his dad and keeping Ed & Dave together. I saw three amazing VH shows with Dave over those years and they're great memories to me because I was too young (10 years old) when they broke up originally.

But the band happily (and thankfully) didn't touch ANY of the Van Hagar material during all those years playing with Wolfgang.

NOW...he wants to re-write history and tell us (as if he's some sort of authority) that we have to accept how great that material actually is? No. I'm not like some fans, who claim the band did not have one good moment during all those years with Hagar. I don't buy that. But it was a HIGHLY-INFERIOR band that severely DID NOT work in the vocal department. If they went back to those four albums and had Dave put all new vocals on those songs, I'd actually be pretty excited (obviously, that's a pipe dream...I don't expect it to happen...I'm just saying it hypothetically).

One day, Wolf will wake up and realize that just because he's Eddie's son does not mean the lion's share of Van Halen fans DO NOT GIVE A SHIT ABOUT HIS MUSIC and we DO NOT GIVE A SHIT WHEN HE TELLS US WHAT MUSIC HIS DAD MADE THAT WE HAVE TO APPRECIATE.

[Rikk]

Wolfie really thinks I should "respect" THIS???


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPAo0ReyCpE

I can't believe this is the same band that wrote LOSS OF CONTROL...one of the coolest, more ferocious songs ever conceived.

(And I'm someone who defends LIVE WITHOUT A NET as having some good moments from Eddie.)

[Rikk]

I'll give the kid credit - not that it took a genius to realize this - for being sensible enough to realize people wanted to see Roth back in the band and sensible enough with each Roth tour to suggest throwing in different deep cuts along with the standard CVH live tunes. Apparently, Eddie's main interest in doing those last three tours was the enjoyment he got playing with his kid. Would have preferred Anthony instead of Wolfgang, but seemingly Wolfgang being in the band was a deal-breaker re: Eddie reforming with Roth (or Eddie doing anything other than sitting around his house drinking Smoking Loon and smoking himself into oblivion a la crystal meth).

Now that Eddie has passed, the only thing Wolfgang has to retain my interest is the music HE makes. His comments on the offstage relationships the members of Van Halen had (or have) isn't of any particular interest to me because Van Halen is over. If Wolfgang's music is gonna continue along the lines of the first Mammoth album, his relevance to me will be none.

At the end of the day, the music is the thing.

The one thing Wolfgang could do that would make me VERY interested would be to finally go through his Dad's archives and start putting together great quality archive releases. Tons of studio outtakes, live releases both from the original band (tour for the first six albums) and even a Blu-Ray release of the reunion band.

And frankly, since so much of the music in Eddie's archives is instrumental material, I hope he doesn't wait too long. I think one way he could put together an exciting new Van Halen album would be to take 10-15 top quality instrumental tracks that Eddie and Alex jammed out, overdub his own bass and backing vocals...and then GET DAVE INTO THE STUDIO (God knows, I'm sure this would be hard, but maybe he could pull off convincing Dave to come down) to lay new vocals on this unfinished instrumental material. Voila, new Van Halen album. There's enough verification that there's a SHIT-TON of material that could be whipped into shape with editing, overdubbing and remixing. But if he tried to put together an all-instrumental LP...or (even worse) if he got Cheese-Head down to do the vocals...I would love interest right there.

I love Eddie. But if they put an archive material album together, he needs Dave. That's the only way he would get fans (and the rock market in general) excited would be to piece this together into a cohesive new album with Dave singing. It's totally feasible. But he needs to stop sitting on his ass, releasing his own shitty music.

Dave isn't going to live forever.

[Nitro Express]

I can't believe this is the same band that wrote LOSS OF CONTROL...one of the coolest, more ferocious songs ever conceived.

(And I'm someone who defends LIVE WITHOUT A NET as having some good moments from Eddie.)

That song is Woke as fuck.

[Nitro Express]

Why is Wolfgang relevant to anything? By the time daddy’s sperm found mommy’s egg Van Halen had been in a devolved stage of shame for years. The kid never experienced anything good. It’s why he’s fat, lacks charisma and is boring as fuck. He grew up on Van Hagar music. The kid never had a chance. He’s a dreg of waste from a sad situation. Dad got fagged up with Sam and became a lame example for the youth. Sam pollution. It’s completely devastating. Greta should be pointing her finger at Sam yelling how dare you! You have destroyed the planet!

[Rikk]

On a similar note, the Sunset Sound YouTube channel (which has really interesting stuff) had a video in which one of their engineers described an entirely-finished, mixed & compiled 4-CD archive release put together completely from outtakes from the first six albums. It was FOUR FULL CD'S FULLY MIXED AND FINISHED.

The guy said there wasn't a TON of unreleased songs in there...but there were a handful. There were also some interesting studio jams, some alternate takes of tracks like ERUPTION, CATHEDRAL, etc. And some really interesting alternate takes (a completely different and interesting alternate take of LITTLE DREAMER, a totally different version of the final master of HOT FOR TEACHER with the entire opening guitar intro doubled with Eddie's bass and a totally different vocal/lyric part by Dave for this song, etc.).

Additionally, he found the original 24-track multi-track masters to the 1977 WARNER DEMOS (26 songs). He proceeded to remix them from scratch, using the sound of the debut album's final mixes as his reference point on how to mix the '77 demos. He said they sounded beautiful. Years later, Eddie claimed they were trying to release the '77 DEMOS as a new release to promote with their 2015 tour but they couldn't find the master tapes, so they released TOKYO DOME instead. But Eddie was super-mistaken. While they didn't have the master mixes made in late '77, they had all 26 demos completely remixed by this Sunset Sound engineer from 2005 or so and could have simply used those. And Eddie forgot and communication with Warners was apparently not very good at the time.

For this set, Wolfgang doesn't even need to take time away from his shitty music or his 15 meals he eats every day. He just needs to literally give the thumbs up to finally release this amazing set...with all the outtakes, alternate takes, unreleased songs and the complete Warners '77 demos. Again, it's completely mixed and finished. The engineer was sent into the studio by Warner Bros. to compile this set in the mid 2000s (2004-2005) to do this set, completed the work and he sent finished CDs of his work to all the band members. And the band decided they didn't want this out at the time because they were still in the process of doing reunion work with Hagar and didn't want a Dave archive set "confusing the issue." So it was delayed indefinitely.

If Wolfgang gave the thumbs up to release this now, it would be one of the most exciting things to happen to Van Halen fans in ages. Since...since...since A DIFFERENT KIND OF TRUTH came out 11 fucking years ago.

[Rikk]

That song is Woke as fuck.

LMFAO. Yeah, LOSS OF CONTROL is so "politically-correct.":sockfucker:

I played LOSS OF CONTROL for my eight-year-old daughter recently (big VH fan and she honestly told me that "the other singer sucks"). As I played LOC, her eyes widened and she said, "This song is crazy!" Then she started thrashing around the room.

I was so proud.

[Rikk]

It’s why he’s fat, lacks charisma and is boring as fuck.

Seriously, I often wonder: WHY IS HE SO FAT?

Seriously...Wolfgang is so fucking fat, joggers take laps around him for a serious work-out.

[Nitro Express]

That's just it. Chubby Wolf thinks this is some sort of issue of dumb fans just insisting on Dave or nothing without having done their research. Trust me, Wolfgang: we've inspected and tried this music the same way you inspect and devour an 18-inch loaded pizza by yourself.

We're not just idiots who choose Dave because we're following some sort of crowd-with-pitchforks mentality. I have almost never met a fan on here that doesn't have a similar story of hoping for the best after Dave left and ending up disappointed or even disgusted after hearing inferior album after inferior album Van Hagar album in Dave's glorious wake. WE ALL TRIED. And Van Hagar failed to impress. And some people kept the circus going because their girlfriends loved WHEN IT'S LOVE or whatever or because they just wanted to hear Eddie play.

But while I still run into people all the time who tell me FAIR WARNING changed their lives, I DO NOT run into people who tell me that FOR UNLAWFUL CARNAL KNOWLEDGE changed their lives. It's polished mediocrity. Nothing more.

I think Sammy Hagar music is why there are so many gender confused people these days.

[twonabomber]

Eddie used to rave, "Wait 'til you hear this kid! He's an incredible musician!" Well, I waited and hoped it would be something special.


Playing and writing are two different things.

All the chops in the world mean nothing if the songs stink.

[Nitro Express]

Seriously, I often wonder: WHY IS HE SO FAT?

Seriously...Wolfgang is so fucking fat, joggers take laps around him for a serious work-out.

Sitting on his ass playing video games and eating poorly. Seed oils, processed food and corn syrup and too much of it combined with little physical activity. He probably has heart disease already.

[Nitro Express]

Playing and writing are two different things.

All the chops in the world mean nothing if the songs stink.

Bravo! You Tube is full of bedroom virtuosos. Most of them if any will never become entertainers. It’s the whole package. You have to have songs that move people and if that was so easy more people would be doing it. Experienced songwriters wish even they knew where that lightning in the bottle comes from. Then there is presentation. You have to become something that has an impact on the public. You know you have arrived when people start copying you or you influenced a new style.

Nobody is getting wet panties over Wolfgang nor do the guys want to be him. None of his songs have made anyone go Holly Fuck! What power in the universe sent this music to us?

[Nitro Express]

Wake me up when the bras and panties start flying towards Wolfgang and men are copying him in hopes of getting laid.

[Silexxx]

If they went back to those four albums and had Dave put all new vocals on those songs, I'd actually be pretty excited (obviously, that's a pipe dream...I don't expect it to happen...I'm just saying it hypothetically).


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nhEzfy9bpAU

Soon somebody probaly will make AI Dave sing Dreams or something like this. Too bad it won't change the lyrics or vocal melody.

[twonabomber]

that sounds like shit

[Nickdfresh]

Indeed! It's really pathetic...because they already weren't NEARLY the band they had been with Dave. But that live album is such a joke. You take a classic band that hasn't had a live album before and then put out this bloated, boring, lazy live LP with a REALLY dull setlist (for God's sakes, it has practically every song from F.U.C.K., which is in my opinion VH's worst-ever album). And even the individual solos on this album are the pits. Just boring arena rock crap without any of the fun that happened during the Dave tours.

To be honest, a live album just made from the New Haven show they filmed for LIVE WITHOUT A NET would have been a much better live album. It was still nowhere near the level the band had shown on the VAN HALEN II, WACF, FAIR WARNING or 1984 tours...but at least it had some good performances ("5150"). But F.U.C.K. took all the very worst elements of Van Hagar and spread them out over a bloated 2-disc mess and basically, I'm sure, made new fans who decided to check it out take a listen and say, "Uh...I don't get it. Why is this band so celebrated?" You know you're in trouble when the very few Dave-era songs on this album are just terrible. The performance of JUMP on LIVE: RHRN is embarrassing. It's such a shitty, awful performance that makes me want to punch Hagar in the face over and over again. The way he keeps yelling, "Jump on..., jump on..., jump on..." JUST SHUT THE FUCK UP! YOU OBVIOUSLY DO NOT UNDERSTAND WHAT MADE THIS A GREAT SONG!! YOU RUINED IT, YOU CHEESE-HEAD SON OF A BITCH!!

I think FORD once posted here that the closing cover of Led Zeppelin's song (Rock & Roll?) may have been a studio toss off with a canned audience laugh track overlayed. I think some question as to if Van Hagar ever covered that song on that tour or if it was ever on a set list...

[Nickdfresh]

That song is Woke as fuck.

I didn't know a song about being anally violated by aliens is "Woke" or even what the definition of that is...

[Nickdfresh]

Playing and writing are two different things.

All the chops in the world mean nothing if the songs stink.

Note to Yngwie...

[Terry]

On a similar note, the Sunset Sound YouTube channel (which has really interesting stuff) had a video in which one of their engineers described an entirely-finished, mixed & compiled 4-CD archive release put together completely from outtakes from the first six albums. It was FOUR FULL CD'S FULLY MIXED AND FINISHED.

The guy said there wasn't a TON of unreleased songs in there...but there were a handful. There were also some interesting studio jams, some alternate takes of tracks like ERUPTION, CATHEDRAL, etc. And some really interesting alternate takes (a completely different and interesting alternate take of LITTLE DREAMER, a totally different version of the final master of HOT FOR TEACHER with the entire opening guitar intro doubled with Eddie's bass and a totally different vocal/lyric part by Dave for this song, etc.).

Additionally, he found the original 24-track multi-track masters to the 1977 WARNER DEMOS (26 songs). He proceeded to remix them from scratch, using the sound of the debut album's final mixes as his reference point on how to mix the '77 demos. He said they sounded beautiful. Years later, Eddie claimed they were trying to release the '77 DEMOS as a new release to promote with their 2015 tour but they couldn't find the master tapes, so they released TOKYO DOME instead. But Eddie was super-mistaken. While they didn't have the master mixes made in late '77, they had all 26 demos completely remixed by this Sunset Sound engineer from 2005 or so and could have simply used those. And Eddie forgot and communication with Warners was apparently not very good at the time.

For this set, Wolfgang doesn't even need to take time away from his shitty music or his 15 meals he eats every day. He just needs to literally give the thumbs up to finally release this amazing set...with all the outtakes, alternate takes, unreleased songs and the complete Warners '77 demos. Again, it's completely mixed and finished. The engineer was sent into the studio by Warner Bros. to compile this set in the mid 2000s (2004-2005) to do this set, completed the work and he sent finished CDs of his work to all the band members. And the band decided they didn't want this out at the time because they were still in the process of doing reunion work with Hagar and didn't want a Dave archive set "confusing the issue." So it was delayed indefinitely.

If Wolfgang gave the thumbs up to release this now, it would be one of the most exciting things to happen to Van Halen fans in ages. Since...since...since A DIFFERENT KIND OF TRUTH came out 11 fucking years ago.

All sorts of things could have been done re: CVH-oriented releases. Should have been done, ages ago.

These days, the idea of a CVH dvd release...do people even buy dvd's anymore? Plus, so much CVH footage has leaked out already...still, I'd be a bit hard-pressed to imagine there aren't some full-length, pro-shot shows from the 1984 tour somewhere. Or old Super 8 footage or 16mm footage of the first three CVH tours sitting around in one of the CVH band members private collections.

Or all the old audio you mentioned that apparently got to the remixing stage in advance of a proposed release.

I just assume by this point none of that is ever going to see the light of day. Scratched my head as to why not for literally decades. Now, I'm resigned to having to make do with the 6 pack, the BOV1 Roth tracks, ADKOT, my own CVH audio/video boot collection and the bits and pieces that drip out and get uploaded online.

[Terry]

Note to Yngwie...

Yeah, but he has that one phrygian mixolydian classical scale down COLD, man!

[twonabomber]

I think FORD once posted here that the closing cover of Led Zeppelin's song (Rock & Roll?) may have been a studio toss off with a canned audience laugh track overlayed. I think some question as to if Van Hagar ever covered that song on that tour or if it was ever on a set list...

Pretty sure most of RHRN was re-done in the studio. I seem to remember Hagar mentioning it.

[Nitro Express]

Yeah, but he has that one phrygian mixolydian classical scale down COLD, man!

Yngwie is still living in a big house and drives several Ferraris. If that is sucking many people would like to suck that bad.

[Terry]

Yngwie is still living in a big house and drives several Ferraris. If that is sucking many people would like to suck that bad.

Wouldn't deny his level of ability or success, even if he is a washed-up, speed-wanking, sped-up Blackmore clone has-been who pees sitting down.

[Nitro Express]

Wouldn't deny his level of ability or success, even if he is a washed-up, speed-wanking, sped-up Blackmore clone has-been who pees sitting down.

He still puts asses in seats and that’s the game. He avoided a day job for decades and he gets to go out and wank. If you are Yngwie you are living the dream.

[Terry]

He still puts asses in seats and that’s the game. He avoided a day job for decades and he gets to go out and wank. If you are Yngwie you are living the dream.

Fair enough.

[twonabomber]

I thought being an asshole was Yngwie's day job...

[Seshmeister]

I think FORD once posted here that the closing cover of Led Zeppelin's song (Rock & Roll?) may have been a studio toss off with a canned audience laugh track overlayed. I think some question as to if Van Hagar ever covered that song on that tour or if it was ever on a set list...

Setlist.fm shows they did it 188 times in total.

https://www.setlist.fm/stats/songs/van-halen-2bd68066.html?songid=1bd65108

The real point is that Roth Van Halen would never have done such a dull no brain lack of imagination cover once they were beyond playing in bars...

[Terry]

I thought being an asshole was Yngwie's day job...


...along with unleashing the fury.

[Nickdfresh]

He still puts asses in seats and that’s the game. He avoided a day job for decades and he gets to go out and wank. If you are Yngwie you are living the dream.

Well then so is Woifie, isn't he?

[Nickdfresh]

Setlist.fm shows they did it 188 times in total.

https://www.setlist.fm/stats/songs/van-halen-2bd68066.html?songid=1bd65108

The real point is that Roth Van Halen would never have done such a dull no brain lack of imagination cover once they were beyond playing in bars...

And choosing one of Zep's most boring formulaic, pedestrian efforts didn't help. But the opening line is just truth; "It's been a long time since I rock and roiled." Yeah, I agree...

[twonabomber]

Didn't Sam and Ed play Rock And Roll at Farm Aid?

[Kristy]

Seriously, I often wonder: WHY IS HE SO FAT?

Seriously...Wolfgang is so fucking fat, joggers take laps around him for a serious work-out.

Bad diet. Too much sugar as a kid he looks insulin-resistant as fuck

[Kristy]

On a similar note, the Sunset Sound YouTube channel (which has really interesting stuff) had a video in which one of their engineers described an entirely-finished, mixed & compiled 4-CD archive release put together completely from outtakes from the first six albums. It was FOUR FULL CD'S FULLY MIXED AND FINISHED.

The guy said there wasn't a TON of unreleased songs in there...but there were a handful. There were also some interesting studio jams, some alternate takes of tracks like ERUPTION, CATHEDRAL, etc. And some really interesting alternate takes (a completely different and interesting alternate take of LITTLE DREAMER, a totally different version of the final master of HOT FOR TEACHER with the entire opening guitar intro doubled with Eddie's bass and a totally different vocal/lyric part by Dave for this song, etc.).

Additionally, he found the original 24-track multi-track masters to the 1977 WARNER DEMOS (26 songs). He proceeded to remix them from scratch, using the sound of the debut album's final mixes as his reference point on how to mix the '77 demos. He said they sounded beautiful. Years later, Eddie claimed they were trying to release the '77 DEMOS as a new release to promote with their 2015 tour but they couldn't find the master tapes, so they released TOKYO DOME instead. But Eddie was super-mistaken. While they didn't have the master mixes made in late '77, they had all 26 demos completely remixed by this Sunset Sound engineer from 2005 or so and could have simply used those. And Eddie forgot and communication with Warners was apparently not very good at the time.

For this set, Wolfgang doesn't even need to take time away from his shitty music or his 15 meals he eats every day. He just needs to literally give the thumbs up to finally release this amazing set...with all the outtakes, alternate takes, unreleased songs and the complete Warners '77 demos. Again, it's completely mixed and finished. The engineer was sent into the studio by Warner Bros. to compile this set in the mid 2000s (2004-2005) to do this set, completed the work and he sent finished CDs of his work to all the band members. And the band decided they didn't want this out at the time because they were still in the process of doing reunion work with Hagar and didn't want a Dave archive set "confusing the issue." So it was delayed indefinitely.

If Wolfgang gave the thumbs up to release this now, it would be one of the most exciting things to happen to Van Halen fans in ages. Since...since...since A DIFFERENT KIND OF TRUTH came out 11 fucking years ago.


This, this is what I want to see in a revamped CVH box set. Proper mixes, outtakes, demos, rare photos (if any) and interviews with Roth, Al, Ed and yes even Mike on the writing and recording sessions. Even put that Yacht Rock fucker Templeton in there. Not this overpriced Mobile Fidelity horseshit for vinyl hipsters, no "we don't give a fuck about CVH, they don't make us the money they used to" from the suits at Warner Brothers, no sub-standard "remasters", no S P A M M Y influence, no F A T Wolf Boy Man Child opinion.

Warner Brothers is a fucking joke. Wait until Disney buys them out.

[FORD]

Didn't Sam and Ed play Rock And Roll at Farm Aid?

Unfortunately, yes....


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvl5wEDkjXM

[FORD]

I think FORD once posted here that the closing cover of Led Zeppelin's song (Rock & Roll?) may have been a studio toss off with a canned audience laugh track overlayed. I think some question as to if Van Hagar ever covered that song on that tour or if it was ever on a set list...

Actually, that was their shitty cover of The Who's "Won't Get Fooled Again"....


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYUKtW8ayhA

[FORD]

This, this is what I want to see in a revamped CVH box set. Proper mixes, outtakes, demos, rare photos (if any) and interviews with Roth, Al, Ed and yes even Mike on the writing and recording sessions. Even put that Yacht Rock fucker Templeton in there. Not this overpriced Mobile Fidelity horseshit for vinyl hipsters, no "we don't give a fuck about CVH, they don't make us the money they used to" from the suits at Warner Brothers, no sub-standard "remasters", no S P A M M Y influence, no F A T Wolf Boy Man Child opinion.

Warner Brothers is a fucking joke. Wait until Disney buys them out.

Only if Scumcast doesn't buy them out first. At least then ADKOT would be with the rest of the catalog again, since UMG is owned by Scumcast. Similar to the string of corporate consolidations that put the Stones 60s catalog under the same corporate roof as the rest of their material finally.

[Terry]

This, this is what I want to see in a revamped CVH box set. Proper mixes, outtakes, demos, rare photos (if any) and interviews with Roth, Al, Ed and yes even Mike on the writing and recording sessions. Even put that Yacht Rock fucker Templeton in there. Not this overpriced Mobile Fidelity horseshit for vinyl hipsters, no "we don't give a fuck about CVH, they don't make us the money they used to" from the suits at Warner Brothers, no sub-standard "remasters", no S P A M M Y influence, no F A T Wolf Boy Man Child opinion.

Warner Brothers is a fucking joke. Wait until Disney buys them out.

A box set exactly as you described is literally the only way I'm gonna repurchase any of the 6 pack studio material again.

[Vinnie Velvet]

I can't believe this is the same band that wrote LOSS OF CONTROL...one of the coolest, more ferocious songs ever conceived.

(And I'm someone who defends LIVE WITHOUT A NET as having some good moments from Eddie.)

I remember that was one of the first things I saw on TV back in the day. Cause I hadn't listened to the entire 5150 album until '87. So when they started to release these snippets from Live Without Dave, that's when I heard some of the music (other than hearing WCTBL on the radio).

Needless to say I was like "Wtf is this". Oh how the Mighty VH had fallen.

[Von Halen]

The one thing Wolfgang could do that would make me VERY interested would be to finally go through his Dad's archives and start putting together great quality archive releases. Tons of studio outtakes, live releases both from the original band (tour for the first six albums) and even a Blu-Ray release of the reunion band.

And frankly, since so much of the music in Eddie's archives is instrumental material, I hope he doesn't wait too long. I think one way he could put together an exciting new Van Halen album would be to take 10-15 top quality instrumental tracks that Eddie and Alex jammed out, overdub his own bass and backing vocals...and then GET DAVE INTO THE STUDIO (God knows, I'm sure this would be hard, but maybe he could pull off convincing Dave to come down) to lay new vocals on this unfinished instrumental material. Voila, new Van Halen album. There's enough verification that there's a SHIT-TON of material that could be whipped into shape with editing, overdubbing and remixing. But if he tried to put together an all-instrumental LP...or (even worse) if he got Cheese-Head down to do the vocals...I would love interest right there.

I love Eddie. But if they put an archive material album together, he needs Dave. That's the only way he would get fans (and the rock market in general) excited would be to piece this together into a cohesive new album with Dave singing. It's totally feasible. But he needs to stop sitting on his ass, releasing his own shitty music.

Dave isn't going to live forever.

Wolfgang will never do this until people stop treating him as a charity case. It may be sooner than he thinks, but probably not soon enough for us older original VH fans. I don't believe his next album will sell at all. The novelty is gone. Now if only these established acts will quit giving him a spot on their tours, we might actually get what we really want out of this moron.

Based on Dave going into the studio and wrongly rerecording the Van Halen songs like he's been doing lately, I don't think it would be hard at all to get him to do as you are suggesting. I'd imagine he'd jump at the chance. Especially if Al and Mike were involved. For Wolfgang to say there is no stuff in that vault good enough to release, because his Dad released all the best stuff, is just an ignorant thing to say. He is actually denigrating all that work his Dad has on those tapes in that studio. Funny, Ed claimed there were at least 10 albums worth of great material on those tapes, yet Wolfgang wants us to believe it's all shit and not even worth the effort. What a fucking self serving douche this fat punk is. He doesn't give one fuck about VH fan, nor does he give one fuck about all the GREAT music on those tapes in that studio. What a shame. His Mother has polluted him with fat and ignorance.

[MasonL]

I don't even think Sam respects himself to even compete with Dave, given he could never NOT play Roth songs live with Van Halen, and even NOW. They play either Ain't Talkin Bout Love or Unchained with The Circle or whatever. You can't get through a full show without playing a Classic Van Halen song? Enough said.

One is grade school T-ball and the other is the New York Yankees.

[MasonL]

And Wolf, as some have stated here, has no business talking about music from before he was even a fertilized egg. I mean he's talented. But my God, he was not only put on the pedestal, he was born on it. Dude has no clue about what it takes to get to the top. Somebody should disable his social media because he just continues to dig his own hole. Says a lot about his music if he's gotta talk so much online.

[Kristy]

Wolfgang will never do this until people stop treating him as a charity case.

More like his name precedes him. He knows by now no on wants to hear him play his own material (which is unoriginal and blows) and only hear him do the guitar parts his father invented. Exactly why Dave "Yellow Teeth" Grohl exploited him, why he went before a crowd of 70,000 in Limeyland and hammered out the CVH hits. You know S P A M M Y wants to do the same. I'd give this guy more respect if he was in a band with a solid songwriter and toured constantly paying dues in every shitty dive bar in the country. Goes back to when Roth was telling his stories of the early, early VH days of starving, being payed little and being hungry. Success must be earned. One thing the F A T Wolf Man Child is not hungry - not when you are born with a silver spoon in your mouth

[Terry]

Wolfgang will never do this until people stop treating him as a charity case. It may be sooner than he thinks, but probably not soon enough for us older original VH fans. I don't believe his next album will sell at all. The novelty is gone. Now if only these established acts will quit giving him a spot on their tours, we might actually get what we really want out of this moron.

Based on Dave going into the studio and wrongly rerecording the Van Halen songs like he's been doing lately, I don't think it would be hard at all to get him to do as you are suggesting. I'd imagine he'd jump at the chance. Especially if Al and Mike were involved. For Wolfgang to say there is no stuff in that vault good enough to release, because his Dad released all the best stuff, is just an ignorant thing to say. He is actually denigrating all that work his Dad has on those tapes in that studio. Funny, Ed claimed there were at least 10 albums worth of great material on those tapes, yet Wolfgang wants us to believe it's all shit and not even worth the effort. What a fucking self serving douche this fat punk is. He doesn't give one fuck about VH fan, nor does he give one fuck about all the GREAT music on those tapes in that studio. What a shame. His Mother has polluted him with fat and ignorance.

Wolfgang was born with too many advantages for me to ever look at him as a charity case. Even after Eddie passed and that first Mammoth track was released as a tribute, I didn't let sentimentality cloud my judgment re: how I felt about the track, which - like the rest of the album - struck me as forgettable. Not gonna go the hyperbole route and say the stuff was 'the worst rock music EVER' but none of it was anything I'm ever gonna want to hear again, because none of it made me WANT to hear any of it ever again. All I'd want as a listener is for Wolfgang to do whatever it is he wants to do musically. Same as I'd want from any other musical act. Write it and record it the way you want to, release it and I'll judge if it's something I like on the merits.

I wouldn't be opposed to Roth listening to whatever home recordings Ed and Al had made which are 'in the can' and taking a pass at them, or making a run at them re: lyrics/vocals. I'd tend to wonder how fruitful this would be in that while I don't know much as to how ADKOT was made I'd have to imagine Roth listened to a lot of those recordings already when that album was being produced. Yeah, Ed claimed at various points there were anywhere from 3 to 10 album's worth of material ready to go, but Ed made all sorts of dubious claims: if the material on those tapes is along the lines of the stuff that ended up on VHIII or the BOBW 2004 Hagar tracks or lesser stuff on ADKOT such as The Trouble With Never...well, 'great' isn't a word I'd associate with that stuff.

The key factor is the word lazy. If the members of Van Halen couldn't - for whatever multitude of reasons - even greenlight a project along the lines of restoring old CVH concert footage for a dvd release (and it's not like the band themselves would have had to physically restore the footage themselves) I'm thinking the odds of getting the remaining members of Van Halen to listen to hours of Eddie demos, put in the requisite work together to expand on said demos and actually record something new...I mean, shit, the CVH lineup couldn't even get their shit together enough to do a no-brainer CVH reunion that didn't involve any new material. Took 'em 20 years of fumbling around post-1996 to even get THAT to the talking stage. Now, 3 years after Eddie has passed and they are approaching 70 years old?

I suppose anything could happen, but surely not.

[FORD]

You know S P A M M Y wants to do the same. I'd give this guy more respect if he was in a band with a solid songwriter and toured constantly paying dues in every shitty dive bar in the country.

Spam's "new band" might be Hall & Cheese.....


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akGlzghUVIQ

[silverfish]

I wouldn't be opposed to Roth listening to whatever home recordings Ed and Al had made which are 'in the can' and taking a pass at them, or making a run at them re: lyrics/vocals.

I don't ever see this as an option. Ever. Would happily eat my words somewhere down the line but
anyone holding out for this is wishing in one hand and shitting in the other.



The key factor is the word lazy. If the members of Van Halen couldn't - for whatever multitude of reasons - even greenlight a project along the lines of restoring old CVH concert footage for a dvd release (and it's not like the band themselves would have had to physically restore the footage themselves) I'm thinking the odds of getting the remaining members of Van Halen to listen to hours of Eddie demos, put in the requisite work together to expand on said demos and actually record something new...

Another no effing way. I've said it before and stick by it - the fan base for any CVH material is -
let's face it - dying off, and in the eventuality they do release something classic, no one will will be around
to give a shit. Or really appreciate it.

As much as I'd like to think otherwise any VH vault material will remain an eternal pipe dream. Bottom
line is the money. The longer you wait to drop something Classic, the fewer fans will be around to pay
whatever you ask. Your window for max cash is long gone and will never be bigger than it is today.
On the other hand dropping clips on an official YT channel or some such would do wonders for
fan appreciation or whatever if $$ isn't a factor.

[Terry]

I don't ever see this as an option. Ever. Would happily eat my words somewhere down the line but
anyone holding out for this is wishing in one hand and shitting in the other.



Another no effing way. I've said it before and stick by it - the fan base for any CVH material is -
let's face it - dying off, and in the eventuality they do release something classic, no one will will be around
to give a shit. Or really appreciate it.

As much as I'd like to think otherwise any VH vault material will remain an eternal pipe dream. Bottom
line is the money. The longer you wait to drop something Classic, the fewer fans will be around to pay
whatever you ask. Your window for max cash is long gone and will never be bigger than it is today.
On the other hand dropping clips on an official YT channel or some such would do wonders for
fan appreciation or whatever if $$ isn't a factor.

I had little to nothing by way of expectation from Van Halen in the 20 years leading up to Eddie passing.

Truth be told I haven't had much by way of expectation from Van Halen since I first heard 5150. I did post-1985 have some moments of anticipation.

I was hopeful that even with Roth gone, Van Halen would continue to make good music, thus I anticipated the release of the 5150 album.

I got Why Can't This Be Love instead.

I was hopeful in 1996 that when news of Hagar's departure and Roth's return was leaked, CVH would undertake a full-length album and tour.

I got Gary Cherone in the band instead.

I was hopeful for a couple of years after news of Cherone leaving the band being announced that CVH would try and reunite again.

I got a Van Hagar reunion instead.

I was hopeful following Roth rejoining in 2006 for a full-length album of new material and an eventual CVH reunion.

I got a bunch of reworked demos from the 1970s, a live album from 2013 I didn't want to hear and two more tours with Ed's kid.

There were a few moments from 1985 on where the band managed to conjure up some of the fire that attracted me to them all those years ago.

Few and far inbetween.

Overall, subverting expectations and anticipation was what the band did best after Roth left in 1985.

Should the band do nothing from here on out, it won't even be a case of disappointment for me considering the last nearly 40 years of output, rather par for the course.

[silverfish]

I had little to nothing by way of expectation from Van Halen in the 20 years leading up to Eddie passing.
...
Should the band do nothing from here on out, it won't even be a case of disappointment for me considering the last nearly 40 years of output, rather par for the course.

Yeah, that pretty much sums it up.
We got what they gave and - bottom line, like it or not - that's all there is to it.
I get that that is all any fan can/should "expect" of a creator but fer chrissakes it doesn't make it any easier.

[twonabomber]

The kid is teasing an announcement on 3/23.

[Silexxx]

https://twitter.com/WolfVanHalen/status/1636523243195572226?s=20


Looks like a new music video with three different Wolfie's... again. Because.. you know? He played all the instruments on the album.. like his hero.. Dave Grohl. Again.

[ZahZoo]

We can day dream all day about the potential gems sitting in the VH vaults... There's a fully mixed, mastered and packaged box set of the studio outtakes from the Dave era that could be released tomorrow... but it sits in WB's vault on hold since 2004.

Right now, Wolfgang isn't key holder for releasing any Van Halen or his father's material. Alex is in the drivers seat until he joins Ed...

The 03-22-2023 the kid™ is posting on social media is for a MammothWVH release. Oh fuckin Yippy...

[twonabomber]

https://twitter.com/WolfVanHalen/status/1636523243195572226?s=20


Looks like a new music video with three different Wolfie's... again. Because.. you know? He played all the instruments on the album.. like his hero.. Dave Grohl. Again.

Again? He did a video like that. He's out of ideas already?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yMDoj8VVzh8

[Kristy]

Now, that is the sound of a Montrose cover band.

[FORD]

Again? He did a video like that. He's out of ideas already?

And he even stole that idea from Ronnie Wood......


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXRsRlsWknk

[Rikk]

And choosing one of Zep's most boring formulaic, pedestrian efforts didn't help. But the opening line is just truth; "It's been a long time since I rock and roiled." Yeah, I agree...

I also resent how he says "this is a song by some old friends of ours" in the video...as if those guys gave a flying fuck about Sammy Hagar.

[Rikk]

Actually, that was their shitty cover of The Who's "Won't Get Fooled Again"....


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYUKtW8ayhA

Truly a terrible cover version. Captures absolutely NONE of the brilliance of The Who's original composition and performance. And this coming from a band who made tons of 70s rock originals great in their club days, with really nice versions of songs like The Stones' IF YOU CAN'T ROCK ME, Bad Company's ROCK STEADY...and their never-ending ability to make great new versions of classic Kinks songs.

[Rikk]

...Now if only these established acts will quit giving him a spot on their tours, we might actually get what we really want out of this moron...

That may be my favorite quote here in a while.

[Rikk]

One is grade school T-ball and the other is the New York Yankees.

Fucking A.

[Rikk]

.. like his hero.. Dave Grohl. Again.

Am I one of the only ones who is so sick of Dave fucking Grohl? Seriously...and I was in high school in the 90s. But this guy just pisses me off now. I can't take his bullshit "nice guy" persona. Now I hear he's stealing Matt Cameron (from Soundgarden, a band 1,000 times better than Foo Fighters...and yes, even Pearl Jam, and even they are better than Foo Fighters) to be his new drummer.

Dave Grohl acts like he IS rock. But when the plaudits die down, and I have to hear a new Foo Fighters song, I always think, "If this is what rock 'n' roll always were, I doubt I'd be as into rock as I am."

[Rikk]

The kid is teasing an announcement on 3/23.

Congratulations to Wolfie. He finally emptied his fridge and ate his own hand...and now I don't have to hear him play an instrument anymore.

[Rikk]

Again? He did a video like that. He's out of ideas already?

What's Wolfie trying to prove? That 400 lbs. x 4 = 1,600 lbs of bad music?

[twonabomber]

Am I one of the only ones who is so sick of Dave fucking Grohl?

Sick of Grohl. Sick of Dwayne Johnson. Sick of Ryan Seacrest. Sick of the Manning brothers being positioned as "nice guys." Let someone else work!

Kevin Hart, too. Fuck that little unfunny midget!

[twonabomber]

Kid posted "ACATEOTW." Song title? Probably ending in "The End Of The World?"

[Silexxx]

Kid posted "ACATEOTW." Song title? Probably ending in "The End Of The World?"


https://youtu.be/yIQH0HcdQnE

Good guess. Not available yet but here's the link to the soon to be released video.

[Kristy]

Am I one of the only ones who is so sick of Dave fucking Grohl? Seriously...and I was in high school in the 90s. But this guy just pisses me off now. I can't take his bullshit "nice guy" persona. Now I hear he's stealing Matt Cameron (from Soundgarden, a band 1,000 times better than Foo Fighters...and yes, even Pearl Jam, and even they are better than Foo Fighters) to be his new drummer.

Dave Grohl acts like he IS rock. But when the plaudits die down, and I have to hear a new Foo Fighters song, I always think, "If this is what rock 'n' roll always were, I doubt I'd be as into rock as I am."


Yeah, like I never said anything about that yellow-tooth media whore. Grohl is the epitome of all that sucks in music.

[Rikk]

Yeah, like I never said anything about that yellow-tooth media whore. Grohl is the epitome of all that sucks in music.

Indeed. People talk about how amazing it is that he's so prolific. Well, I'll tell you something: if all you do is write the same mediocre song over and over again, it's easy to pump out 20 songs a year.

Look at Hagar? He's constantly pumping out new music. Well, if the bar you set is awfully low, it's no problem. If every time you write a song, you say, "That's done!", then it's easy to pump out albums full of mediocrity.

I'm not going to claim Grohl has NEVER written a good song...but I know that I'd have to sift through 30 songs to find a good one every time.

Look at Stanley Kubrick. He made a new film every 10 years by the end of his life. If you're the greatest filmmaker who ever lived, you need to really put in the time to produce exceptional work.

[Kristy]

Again, I ask, what has Ghohl really done beside play drums on a shitty grunge album over 30 years ago?

[Terry]

Yeah, that pretty much sums it up.
We got what they gave and - bottom line, like it or not - that's all there is to it.
I get that that is all any fan can/should "expect" of a creator but fer chrissakes it doesn't make it any easier.

Along the lines of what you said, I get that all a fan is entitled to from a band is to listen to whatever music the band releases and decide if it's something to be liked or not.

I mean, I don't think the remaining members of Van Halen owed me anything. I never thought along those lines.

However, also along the lines of what you said...I mean, CVH was so shit-hot that to NOT be disappointed by what the band devolved into after Roth left...that band could have done a LOT better because we all knew darn well at one time they were capable of doing much better.

But, like I said, at this point after 25 years of the band getting precious little right and 3 years after Eddie's passing...there's little point in continuing to be letdown. It's over. Realistically, it was over when Roth left in 1985, but as long as the 4 members of CVH were still vertical there was that dim hope they could somehow put it all back together. It never happened.

Thankfully, the music still resonates.

[Nickdfresh]

Didn't Sam and Ed play Rock And Roll at Farm Aid?

And turned it into Farm AIDS....

[Nickdfresh]

Actually, that was their shitty cover of The Who's "Won't Get Fooled Again"....


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYUKtW8ayhA

Yeah now I recall, trying to forget. It's even worse since I love The Who and am lukewarm at best on Zep. I think Ed did some wanker shit on his guitar to approximate Pete Townsends original organ overlay, which seemed extremely douchy since he had no problem with synths and keys on any other Van H$$$$ song...

Jerked off to the hilt...

The real version, not even the best but way better than Van Cuntgar:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UDfAdHBtK_Q

[Terry]

Am I one of the only ones who is so sick of Dave fucking Grohl? Seriously...and I was in high school in the 90s. But this guy just pisses me off now. I can't take his bullshit "nice guy" persona. Now I hear he's stealing Matt Cameron (from Soundgarden, a band 1,000 times better than Foo Fighters...and yes, even Pearl Jam, and even they are better than Foo Fighters) to be his new drummer.

Dave Grohl acts like he IS rock. But when the plaudits die down, and I have to hear a new Foo Fighters song, I always think, "If this is what rock 'n' roll always were, I doubt I'd be as into rock as I am."

I liked the first two Foo Fighters albums. LIKED them.

Can't say as I'm sick of the guy because he is easily ignored, but I never bought a ticket on the Dave Grohl train re: those who consider him being this exceptional rock drummer when in Nirvana or the Foo Fighters being an exceptional rock band re: the quality of the music.

He may well be a nice guy, but overall his music is simultaneously boring and formulaic to my ears: if the music doesn't move me a wonderful personality isn't going to make the music sound any better.

[twonabomber]

Yeah now I recall, trying to forget. It's even worse since I love The Who and am lukewarm at best on Zep. I think Ed did some wanker shit on his guitar to approximate Pete Townsends original organ overlay, which seemed extremely douchy since he had no problem with synths and keys on any other Van H$$$$ song...


I think Fitz from Night Ranger was playing live keys offstage for those tours. Wouldn't have been hard to replicate the keyboard parts.

[Heater]

https://youtu.be/yIQH0HcdQnE

Good guess. Not available yet but here's the link to the soon to be released video.

Looks like we are in for a little fretboard tapping….THAT’S the way to step outside of pop’s shadow and end those silly comparisons!

[Seshmeister]

Kid posted "ACATEOTW." Song title? Probably ending in "The End Of The World?"

When I saw that I assumed it was Another Cake At The End Of The World...

I didn't know you had Celebrations in the US...

https://m.media-amazon.com/images/W/IMAGERENDERING_521856-T1/images/I/61WxsGyD3lL.jpg

[Silexxx]

https://youtu.be/7OzcNjMy9wo

Kinda Foo Fighters-ish. Little bit tapping. Solo and the drums are the best parts.

[Silexxx]

https://twitter.com/WolfVanHalen/status/1638268440531341313?s=20

https://twitter.com/WolfVanHalen/status/1638312137465696258?s=20

And he's back at fighting with VH fans again on Twitter.

[ZahZoo]

I like the new song... good drum and guitar work!

His vocal melodies are stuck in a boring rut... He needs to go sit down with his Daddy's Classic 6-Pack™ and immerse himself in Uncle Dave's creative approach to vocal melodies to expand his compositional approach to vocals and creating tension within the melodic structure. Plus learn how to evoke some other emotion beyond whining, screaming, crying millennial angst... try something simple like... happy or a sense of mischief in the emotional realm.

[twonabomber]

https://twitter.com/WolfVanHalen/status/1638268440531341313?s=20

https://twitter.com/WolfVanHalen/status/1638312137465696258?s=20

And he's back at fighting with VH fans again on Twitter.

Some of those are funny.

[Von Halen]

I like the new song...

I don't.

[Vinnie Velvet]

I don't.

Agreed.

Song is lame shit.

[Vinnie Velvet]

Also Wolf is still a fat slob.

His Dad in his prime looked like a rock star.

Wolf doesn't.

[Vinnie Velvet]

Some of those are funny.

LOL yes.

Wolf is an idiot. Why he chooses to engage in social media spats I don't get.

Its so easy to get this fat fuck riled up.

[Rikk]

The new song isn't the worst thing I've ever heard...but it is SO fucking generic and the melodies/vocals are so unmemorable. I can't imagine giving this another listen for any reason. It's generic rock music that pushes NO envelope. It's a bunch of old rock 'n' roll tricks tried again, wrapped up in one neat, shit-sandwich package. I can't believe this is the son of the guy who wrote the music for LIGHT UP THE SKY.

[Vinnie Velvet]

The new song isn't the worst thing I've ever heard...but it is SO fucking generic and the melodies/vocals are so unmemorable. I can't imagine giving this another listen for any reason. It's generic rock music that pushes NO envelope. It's a bunch of old rock 'n' roll tricks tried again, wrapped up in one neat, shit-sandwich package. I can't believe this is the son of the guy who wrote the music for LIGHT UP THE SKY.

Well keep in mind he's also Val's son as well. I doubt there was an ounce of anything musical in her body. Lots of blow in the early days and then just food - as in stuffing her face.

[So this is love]

The funny part is the pizza order that has to be in the vids...damn food is the new drug

[Terry]

The new song isn't the worst thing I've ever heard...but it is SO fucking generic and the melodies/vocals are so unmemorable. I can't imagine giving this another listen for any reason. It's generic rock music that pushes NO envelope. It's a bunch of old rock 'n' roll tricks tried again, wrapped up in one neat, shit-sandwich package. I can't believe this is the son of the guy who wrote the music for LIGHT UP THE SKY.

Even just on the merits of the music itself, removed from the idea that just because Eddie was who he was therefore his son should be able to create music of the same caliber, the tune is average; much like the Mammoth album, nothing I'm going to want to hear again.

[Terry]

LOL yes.

Wolf is an idiot. Why he chooses to engage in social media spats I don't get.

Its so easy to get this fat fuck riled up.

What was that quote I read re: his social media spats...?

Oh, yeah. Wolfgang fights with fans like if they were a salad.

[Vinnie Velvet]

What was that quote I read re: his social media spats...?

Oh, yeah. Wolfgang fights with fans like if they were a salad.

He can't stop himself and its pathetic watching him constantly get wind up over one post. Maybe he should like you know step back?

[Kristy]

The new song isn't the worst thing I've ever heard...but it is SO fucking generic and the melodies/vocals are so unmemorable. I can't imagine giving this another listen for any reason. It's generic rock music that pushes NO envelope. It's a bunch of old rock 'n' roll tricks tried again, wrapped up in one neat, shit-sandwich package. I can't believe this is the son of the guy who wrote the music for LIGHT UP THE SKY.

I guess that F A T Wolf Boy Man Child signed a multi-million dollar deal with Bertelsmann Music Group and this is there way of promoting it some 6 months before initial release with a tour. That makes no sense to me. Seems they gave the F A T Boy Man Child free reign over the the arrangements. As far as production goes BMG hired Michael Baskette who was genius behind Limp Bizkit, Alter Bridge and Sevendust which explains the genericism in the sound. You'd think with the money the F A T Wolf Boy Man Child has he could have hired a better producer and had him record with a proper band presumably the one he goes out on the road with seeing the F A T Wolf Boy Man Child is no Stevie Wonder or Todd Rundgren when it comes to originality in songwriting.

If the rest of Mammoth II is anything like what I've heard so far, chances are good it will be a commercial flop and the F A T Wolf Man Boy Child will be in debt to BMG creditors and this will be the last anyone hears from him unless of course, Dave "Yellow Teeth" Ghorl has any more interest in exploiting him.

[ZahZoo]

Keep in mind that the Kid™ only got half of his chromosomes from his dad and that DNA most likely only produces stellar creative music when fueled by alcohol and other adulterants...

On a serious note though... Wolf didn't have life experiences his dad did that fueled his drive and obsession when it came to playing music. You hunt far more aggressively when you're hungry...

[Von Halen]

Maybe he should like you know step back?

From the buffet?

This fucking idiot is so delusional, he thinks his last name has NOTHING to do with the play he's getting, and getting to play on the tours he's on.

[Terry]

He can't stop himself and its pathetic watching him constantly get wind up over one post. Maybe he should like you know step back?

Or just not engage with the negative comments...but as you say, seemingly he just can't.

[Kristy]

Trent Reznor wannabe or what?

https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/55c42a68e4b0c208e42bdc9e/1572898928899-MDTPHJBBJ71C8BEGAHJL/image-asset.jpeg

[Von Halen]

Or just not engage with the negative comments...but as you say, seemingly he just can't.

He can't, because deep down he knows he is being hit with the truth. He's trying to convince himself, not the negative commentors.

[Terry]

Keep in mind that the Kid™ only got half of his chromosomes from his dad and that DNA most likely only produces stellar creative music when fueled by alcohol and other adulterants...

On a serious note though... Wolf didn't have life experiences his dad did that fueled his drive and obsession when it came to playing music. You hunt far more aggressively when you're hungry...

I'd imagine if you'd never had to struggle for anything, it'd be difficult to conjure up that inner fire re: drive, obsession, aggressive.

[Terry]

He can't, because deep down he knows he is being hit with the truth. He's trying to convince himself, not the negative commentors.

That's the essence of it. Deep down, he knows he is where he is solely because of who his father was.

I suppose to be fair his solo music - for whatever else it is - isn't trying to be a slavish copy of Van Halen.

I could see where fans of the Hagar lineup of Van Halen would like Mammoth's music.

[Von Halen]

I could see where fans of the Hagar lineup of Van Halen would like Mammoth's music.

Like Bertt. I'm sure he's over at the Links slobbering all over Wolfgangs cock. Banning anyone that dare utter a negative comment.

Reality doesn't seem to suit Clichegar, Bertt or Wolfgang.

[Vinnie Velvet]

Like Bertt. I'm sure he's over at the Links slobbering all over Wolfgangs cock. Banning anyone that dare utter a negative comment.

Reality doesn't seem to suit Clichegar, Bertt or Wolfgang.

Agreed. Hagarites probably love Wolf's music.

[Rikk]

Like Bertt. I'm sure he's over at the Links slobbering all over Wolfgangs cock. Banning anyone that dare utter a negative comment.

That guy is such a fucking tool.

[Seshmeister]

I can't believe this is the son of the guy who wrote the music for LIGHT UP THE SKY.

At his age his dad's best days were behind him already and he was writing the music for OU812...

[twonabomber]

Like Bertt. I'm sure he's over at the Links slobbering all over Wolfgangs cock. Banning anyone that dare utter a negative comment.

Reality doesn't seem to suit Clichegar, Bertt or Wolfgang.

Maybe he should search Bertt or Brent here next time

https://i.imgur.com/l5bML8Y.jpg

[Mushroom]

I find Wolfie's videos somewhat entertaining.

It's funny reading this stuff, but... you guys sound like a bunch of resentful boomers :indifferent0020:

except for my bitter girlfriend Kristy who knows Wolfie's talents do not stack up against my talents :609:

[twonabomber]

I suppose to be fair his solo music - for whatever else it is - isn't trying to be a slavish copy of Van Halen.


WVH's music is obviously influenced by what he listened to when he was younger. Most of us don't like that stuff, so no surprise that we are underwhelmed.

[Von Halen]

17292

Damn. Is Ed drinking again? I see a beer bottle next to his chair.

[Vinnie Velvet]

17292

Damn. Is Ed drinking again? I see a beer bottle next to his chair.

Haha.

Mammoth II??

What's Wolf's third album gonna be called?

Mac and Cheese First?

Fourth album: Fat Warning

[twonabomber]

Fifth album cover art

https://i.imgur.com/MP5vVWX.jpg

title: Put 'Em Down

[MasonL]

I listened to about 2 minutes of Golden Boy's new song and didn't have the will to hear the rest. Which says more about the creator than it does me. First off, the bass does NOTHING remotely interesting on any of his music (at least the stuff I've heard) and all I heard about was that he was supposedly a better bassist than Anthony for all those years. Not true. And secondly, if he is so ashamed of being a Van Halen, he's got a long way to go. Any of his music is really seen as VH-adjacent. I'm betting the vast majority of his sales come from existing VH fans.

The Classic VH music came from somewhere. It came from the sparks between the band members, and from traveling constantly and their adventures and hijinks. Wolf's music comes from the inside of a studio and a cheeseburger. And the music sounds like it. Nothing that grabs you. Mediocre at best.

[Seshmeister]

It's funny reading this stuff, but... you guys sound like a bunch of resentful boomers :indifferent0020:



How dare you, we are resentful Gen Xers. :D

[Kristy]

Haha.

Mammoth II??

What's Wolf's third album gonna be called?

Mac and Cheese First?

Fourth album: Fat Warning


1984 calories per hour

[ZahZoo]

How dare you, we are resentful Gen Xers. :D

Cranky bunch of middle-aged folks...

Clearly the boomers are far more laid back on this episode.

[twonabomber]

What's Wolf's third album gonna be called?

Mac and Cheese First?

Fourth album: Fat Warning

Dessert First and Cholesterol Warning?

[MasonL]

"Too close to mommy, grew up square. All the spine of a chocolate eclair."

What I think of when I see Wolf

[Nitro Express]

Eddie Van Halen was so cool. How did that fat lame ass come from his loins? Maybe Val slept with a dude from the Weight Watchers group.

[Rikk]

Eddie Van Halen was so cool. How did that fat lame ass come from his loins? Maybe Val slept with a dude from the Weight Watchers group.

I guess the only way I make sense of it is I remember all the times that Eddie wasn't cool (MTV Awards '96, in fact let's just say 1985-1996) and try and just imagine that Wolfie inherited the asshole, lame part of Eddie Van Halen (definitely not the genius guitar-player part).

[Terry]

I guess the only way I make sense of it is I remember all the times that Eddie wasn't cool (MTV Awards '96, in fact let's just say 1985-1996) and try and just imagine that Wolfie inherited the asshole, lame part of Eddie Van Halen (definitely not the genius guitar-player part).

Meh.

Far as entitled children of famous celebrities go, Ed's kid doesn't come off to me as particularly egregious re: nepo babies. Acts entitled to be sure, but I've run into more than a few people who are neither wealthy nor children of famous people and - for whatever reason - act just as entitled.

Yeah, he has a weight problem, but considering his father's struggles with drugs and alcohol a couple (hundred) extra pounds seems slight far as problems go...he could lose the weight if he wanted to (although he has appeared to get more and more bloated with each passing year over the last decade and a half).

Which isn't to say musically I think [Ed's kid] is notably talented, because I don't.

[Vinnie Velvet]

Meh.

Far as entitled children of famous celebrities go, Ed's kid doesn't come off to me as particularly egregious re: nepo babies. Acts entitled to be sure, but I've run into more than a few people who are neither wealthy nor children of famous people and - for whatever reason - act just as entitled.

Yeah, he has a weight problem, but considering his father's struggles with drugs and alcohol a couple (hundred) extra pounds seems slight far as problems go...he could lose the weight if he wanted to (although he has appeared to get more and more bloated with each passing year over the last decade and a half).

Which isn't to say musically I think [Ed's kid] is notably talented, because I don't.

Thing is if Wolf continues his obesity ways he won't last as long as his Dad (65).

He would be lucky to get to 55.

[Terry]

Well, the thing about it is I plain don't need Ed's kid to explain to me how I should feel about Van Halen (that I should appreciate all eras of Van Halen or whatever), because I've never needed anybody to explain to me how I should feel about Van Halen. Or any other type of music I enjoy. I've never needed anybody who was actually IN Van Halen to tell me what or how I should feel about Van Halen: that was true concerning the CVH lineup and it's certainly true concerning Ed's kid who (to be frank about it) got his spot in the band because he was Ed's kid and was in the band at the tail-end of the career which basically was a few nostalgia tours. Ed's kid wasn't even alive when the band mattered to me most, so what is Ed's kid (despite having been in the band) gonna tell me about Van Halen that I didn't know already? Outside of backstage/behind the scenes anecdotes circa 2006-2019, nothing, really.

[twonabomber]

WVH has his Top of the Pack show on Sirius Classic Rewind. Valerie Bertinelli was his guest, a Mother's Day themed show. They played Blood And Fire. Val mentioned that she had been listening to that song forever, without vocals, and said "sorry, Van Halen fans, I prefer it without vocals" and then said that the VH fans didn't like her. Wolfgang says something to the effect of "I get it." The kid did mention that it was originally called Ripley and described the guitar.

They played In A Simple Rhyme earlier in the show.

[Silexxx]

https://blabbermouth.net/news/wolfgang-van-halen-says-drama-in-van-halen-camp-is-standing-in-way-of-eddie-van-halen-tribute-concert

In a brand new interview with Barbara Caserta of Linea Rock, the son of Eddie Van Halen, who played three VAN HALEN songs over the course of two Taylor Hawkins tribute concerts in September alongside FOO FIGHTERS members Dave Grohl on bass, Josh Freese on drums and THE DARKNESS's Justin Hawkins on vocals, was asked if he thinks an Eddie Van Halen tribute concert will ever become a reality.

He responded (as transcribed by BLABBERMOUTH.NET): "No, no, no. I think with the FOO FIGHTERS, they have a lot less drama involved in their camp. And unfortunately, with VAN HALEN there's many pieces that don't operate as they should, unfortunately. But that's neither here nor there; it's just how reality is, unfortunately, sometimes."

[ZahZoo]

Not exactly many pieces... one who calls the shots. Alex.

One who may or may not be capable and doesn't tend to work well with others... Dave.

One who hates VH fans and would rather we all fuck off... Wolfgang.

Three who'd happily do it if asked... Mike, Gary and Spammy.

[Nitro Express]

The lucky one is Ed. He escaped the insanity. He’s probably up there watching all these dumbasses and laughing his ass off.

[Nitro Express]

I think the coolest Ed Van Halen story I heard was from Dave Friedman. He was working for a carting company and 5150 had rented a bunch of different guitar speaker cabs. Dave drives the truck full of cabs up to 5150. Outside of the studio Ed is shooting baskets. Ed goes hey you need some help and starts helping loading the speakers into the studio. There were plenty of people there Ed could have told to give Dave some help but Ed wasn’t above doing some heavy lifting himself.

[Terry]

Not exactly many pieces... one who calls the shots. Alex.

One who may or may not be capable and doesn't tend to work well with others... Dave.

One who hates VH fans and would rather we all fuck off... Wolfgang.

Three who'd happily do it if asked... Mike, Gary and Spammy.

I was never really partial to the idea of a tribute show anyway but thought if one were to be done it should be a thing where some of the bigger name guitarists did a few tunes and that Dave, Alex, Michael, Sammy, Charone and Wolfgang could (or should) all be involved. I personally didn't want to see Roth and Alex playing Van Halen tunes with Satriani and Jason Newsted in a touring scenario, even if it was one-off tribute touring scenario: do the one-off tribute as a one-off gig if it's to happen at all. Granted, this was talking a year or so after Ed's passing.

Now? Got zero interest in any tribute, myself.

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https://youtu.be/7BLcvZ6sr6g


The real tribute is people’s memories of the guy. I like a good Ed story. I saw the 84 Tour in Boise and was right up front on the barricade. Ed plopped down on the edge of the stage during his guitar solo right in front of me. That was pretty cool to see him shred that close.

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I was never really partial to the idea of a tribute show anyway but thought if one were to be done it should be a thing where some of the bigger name guitarists did a few tunes and that Dave, Alex, Michael, Sammy, Charone and Wolfgang could (or should) all be involved. I personally didn't want to see Roth and Alex playing Van Halen tunes with Satriani and Jason Newsted in a touring scenario, even if it was one-off tribute touring scenario: do the one-off tribute as a one-off gig if it's to happen at all. Granted, this was talking a year or so after Ed's passing.

Now? Got zero interest in any tribute, myself.

Agreed... a single one-off would have been interesting and allowed many to celebrate Ed's accomplishments musically. No tour needed.

Yeah, the ship sailed a year or more ago... no interest now. They missed the opportunity... as usual...

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If there was no Eddie Van Halen would people even care about Roth? If there was no Roth would Eddie Van Halen even had gotten out of Pasadena? Van Halen was those two guys working together and when ego and substance abuse broke the band up that was the end. Van Halen died in 1985.

Roth’s ego got sprung out with the success of some solo songs and videos. Ed’s ego got sprung when he discovered he could still sell albums and draw crowds of dipshits with Sammy.

Sammy is pissed nobody gives a shit about him and without Ed Van Halen he’s a lame cruise ship and casino act. Dave has the legacy and will continue to have it no matter how much he tries to destroy it by acting like a goon on You Tube.

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Sam suffers from legacy envy. He will continue to show up anywhere he can to remind people he was once in Van Halen.

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Did Ed even have a funeral? Right after he dies Valerie starts going on social media reminding everyone she was married to Eddie Van Halen. Well ya but Jani was married to Ed and from my observations Ed did much better with her than you. Then not surprisingly Val and her husband get a divorce.

I understand having a private service but I’m thinking any kind of service was impossible due to dysfunction in the family. Ed got cremated and that was that. Apparently he got dumped into the Pacific Ocean. But one thing for sure the fans who made the big houses, luxury cars and money possible mean nothing to the family. They don’t have to say it even but Get Lost! Is the message.

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Anyways Wolfgang is like eat my fat ass! He knows VH fans are so lame he can piss all over them and they will still kiss his ass if he releases something from the archives. He’s going to fuck with the fans the same way he fucks with his mom. He’s a spoiled brat who could do no wrong. This is a manipulating person who actually seems like a miserable fuck.

Nothing will happen. Alex will pass away with little mention of it. Wolfgang will play his games until heart disease and diabetes takes him. Dave will dance for us on You Tube and Sammy will continue to remind us he was once in Van Halen.

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Anyways. Enjoy the Wolf Piss and the Cabo Wabo.