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  • twonabomber
    formerly F A T
    ROTH ARMY WEBMASTER

    • Jan 2004
    • 11212

    UCR writers discuss the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame's 2023 class, which includes Kate Bush, Sheryl Crow, Missy Elliott, George Michael, Willie Nelson, Rage Against the Machine and the Spinners.
    Writing In All Proper Case Takes Extra Time, Is Confusing To Read, And Is Completely Pointless.

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    • Von Halen
      ROTH ARMY WEBMASTER

      • Dec 2003
      • 7514

      Somebody in Cleveland should burn that building of fraud down. How many rock bands or rap artists are in the Country Music Hall Of Fame? I've been by that shithole in Cleveland a thousand times, and have never stepped foot in the place. Not sure if it costs money, but they'd never get a penny from me. It's a fucking JOKE.

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      • twonabomber
        formerly F A T
        ROTH ARMY WEBMASTER

        • Jan 2004
        • 11212

        Originally posted by Von Halen
        Somebody in Cleveland should burn that building of fraud down. How many rock bands or rap artists are in the Country Music Hall Of Fame? I've been by that shithole in Cleveland a thousand times, and have never stepped foot in the place. Not sure if it costs money, but they'd never get a penny from me. It's a fucking JOKE.
        I have a membership to the rock hall, I can bring a guest for free. Any time you want to go, let me know

        The HOF Foundation is in charge of the induction process and organizes the annual induction ceremony, and is separate from the museum. The Foundation does provide some funding for the museum though.
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        • Rikk
          DIAMOND STATUS
          • Jan 2004
          • 16518

          Soundgarden not getting in is just plain insulting. Fucking Sheryl Crow? Sheryl fucking Crow? Her music reeks of mediocrity. The only people she influences are other mediocre songwriters.

          No Iron Maiden? No Warren Zevon? No Soundgarden?

          Rock Hall sucks. The one time I went to the museum, I was disappointed as well.

          Soundgarden is one of the best bands ever...with one of the greatest singers, dead almost six years now.

          Iron Maiden (though I prefer Priest) were amazing trailblazers. Warren Zevon was one of the great songwriters and a helluva performer too.

          I do think Kate Bush should have gotten in 20 years ago.
          Roth Army Militia

          Originally posted by WARF
          Rikk - The new school of the Roth Army... this dude leads the pack... three words... The Sheep Pen... this dude opened alot of doors for people during this new era... he's the best of the new school.

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          • twonabomber
            formerly F A T
            ROTH ARMY WEBMASTER

            • Jan 2004
            • 11212

            This was in Rolling Stone, which is funny because they were never known for pushing metal. And the writer kind of admits it in the article.

            Enough Is Enough. It’s Time for the Rock Hall to Recognize Metal

            What Iron Maiden's second snub says about the institution's attitude toward music's loudest genre

            In 2018, a journalist asked Bruce Dickinson how he felt about the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame. The Iron Maiden singer inveighed, “If we’re ever inducted, I will refuse — they won’t bloody be having my corpse in there.”

            A year later, Steve Harris — the band’s bassist and only consistent member since Maiden formed in 1975 — offered a more levelheaded take: “It’s very nice if people give you awards or accolades, but we didn’t get into the business for that sort of thing. … With what we do, whatever comes of it is great. Whatever doesn’t come of it is great, too.”

            This year, the Hall considered for a second time to include Iron Maiden, who have been eligible for induction since 2005. And once again, the institution’s voters snubbed them — possibly because of Maiden’s antipathy, possibly because they just don’t like metal. But much like Black Sabbath, the Sex Pistols, and Axl Rose — artists who gave the organization the middle finger but were inducted (or is it “indicted”?) anyway — Iron Maiden deserve a spot in the Hall whether they want it or not. The continued rejections, after nearly two decades of eligibility, are emblematic of continued negativity toward heavy metal by the gatekeepers of musical taste.

            Metal has long been rock’s outcast genre — often willingly so — but after more than half a century, it’s time to recognize the contributions the genre has made to popular music. It’s time to expand the canon. And while Rage Against the Machine’s induction into the Hall this year is a move in the right direction, even that band’s Tom Morello has called Iron Maiden a formative influence on him — a claim many musicians could make.

            Almost immediately from the release of the group’s self-titled debut in 1980, Iron Maiden have expanded the vocabularies of heavy metal and, by proxy, rock. In The Rolling Stone Illustrated History of Rock & Roll, critic Lester Bangs described metal as “the aural image of a battering ram” and wrote, “as the Seventies drew to a close, it appeared that heavy metal had had it,” before directing readers to the nascent punk scene. But because the book came out in 1980, Bangs hadn’t yet had a chance to hear Iron Maiden, who sounded not just like a battering ram, but also a fighter jet, a thousand charging horses, and an air-raid siren all at the same time.

            Where the genre’s forebears like Black Sabbath, Cream, and mid-Seventies Judas Priest dealt in gloom and doom, Iron Maiden introduced a charging (and supercharged) sense of hope, resilience, and measured abandon to the genre. They raced through the labyrinthine song structures of “Prowler,” “Phantom of the Opera,” and “Iron Maiden” with pure adrenaline, inspiring Metallica, Slayer, and the rest of the thrash-metal contingency to play faster and more intricately. Kurt Cobain used to doodle their soon-to-be-ubiquitous corpse mascot, Eddie the Head, and Eddie also inspired Chuck D to design Public Enemy’s instantly recognizable logo. Plus, thanks to Paul Di’Anno’s gravelly voice, they also sounded tough.

            In 1982, when they replaced Di’Anno with Dickinson, a singer with a dramatic flair that’s equal parts Shakespeare and Doctor Who, their sound grew even bigger. Unlike Sabbath, Zeppelin, and Priest whose formative records took cues from the blues, Iron Maiden’s landmark 1982 album, The Number of the Beast, felt grand like classical music. The band’s most prolific songwriter, Harris, wrote Rossini-esque galloping rhythms, and he harmonized guitar lines for Dave Murray and Adrian Smith on “The Number of the Beast” and “Run to the Hills” that obeyed Bach’s rules of counterpoint. Add Dickinson’s theatricality — similar to what Ronnie James Dio was doing in Black Sabbath and his own band, Dio — to a song like “Hallowed Be Thy Name,” and it became opera. Very early in their career, Iron Maiden struck a balance between sophistication and aggression without losing its audience.

            They spent the next decade refining their sound to play up speed (“Aces High”), melody (“Wasted Years,” “Can I Play With Madness?”), texture (“The Trooper”), and, for lack of a better word, pomp (“The Evil That Men Do”), all while building a dedicated fanbase eager to see them play arenas in and around giant stage sets. Hell, they even took Samuel Taylor Coleridge’s epic poem “Rime of the Ancient Mariner” and turned it into a headbanger that holds concertgoers’ attentions for 14 minutes. Name a high school English teacher who can pull that off.

            Iron Maiden have also taken musical risks that would strike fear in the hearts of most mainstream rockers and thrived doing it. In 2006, when they released their album A Matter of Life and Death, the band played the whole opus in its entirety with just a few classic songs as encores — in arenas, no less — to captivated audiences. They’ve never had a hit song on U.S. radio, and they’ve probably never wanted one. The best songs on their most recent album, 2021’s Senjutsu, run more than 10 minutes each. Yet, as uncommercial as that sounds, that album and their three previous LPs all made it into Billboard’s Top Ten. Their music has even been played to the Pope in the Vatican.

            Iron Maiden’s innovation, dedication to their craft, influence, and complete refusal to compromise their artistry should have made them first-year inductees into the Hall of Fame. They’re musical visionaries in the same league as Pink Floyd, Queen, U2, and even the Beatles — just louder.

            The disrespect isn’t exclusive to Iron Maiden. Mainstream institutions from the Hall of Fame to the Grammys to Rolling Stone magazine (hi there!) have traditionally been slow to warm to heavy metal, writing the genre off as crude, brash, and angry. Also, thanks to movies like This Is Spinal Tap and Wayne’s World (which are both hilarious), the genre has gotten the reputation of being made for knuckleheaded dolts, which is unfair since smart, talented people from all walks of life identify with the genre.

            So far, the only metal or metal-adjacent acts to make it into the Hall have been the genre’s biggest: Black Sabbath, Led Zeppelin, Metallica, AC/DC, Judas Priest, Kiss, Van Halen, Rush, and Deep Purple. But so many other eligible and worthy acts (including Maiden) have been passed over, year after year: Slayer, Dio, Motörhead, Mötley Crüe, Ozzy Osbourne as a solo artist, Megadeth, Pantera, Thin Lizzy, Korn, Tool, Danzig, Anthrax, and Celtic Frost, among many, many others. These are musicians who have taken the foundational ideas of rock & roll and augmented them into something fresh. They’re also responsible for a sizable chunk of physical records sold every year since metalheads comprise one of music’s most dedicated fanbases.

            The Rock & Roll Hall of Fame has made great strides in recent years of expanding the definition of rock & roll by recognizing how hip-hop, synth-pop, alt-rock, and country music have contributed to the spirit of the art form. Heavy metal should be included in the broad definition of rock & roll, and few bands embody the core tenets of the genre — individuality, rebellion, originality — as much as Iron Maiden. So if the opportunity comes around again to drag Bruce Dickinson kicking and screeching into the Hall of Fame, the institution’s voters should seize the opportunity. Up the Irons!

            Writing In All Proper Case Takes Extra Time, Is Confusing To Read, And Is Completely Pointless.

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            • silverfish
              Foot Soldier
              • Mar 2007
              • 555

              Jann Wenner Removed From Rock Hall Board After Interview Backlash

              “Jann Wenner has been removed from the board of directors of the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame Foundation,”
              the Rock Hall said in a brief statement issued today.

              In Friday's interview with The New York Times, Wenner explained that his new book Masters, which
              is centered on conversations with "extraordinary musicians who dominated rock 'n' roll," includes only
              white male rock stars because "none of [the women] were as articulate enough on this intellectual level.”

              Addressing the lack of Black artists, he declared that they too "just didn’t articulate at that level." He
              continued, "You know, just for public relations sake, maybe I should have gone and found one Black
              and one woman artist to include here that didn’t measure up to that same historical standard, just to
              avert this kind of criticism."


              Full story at:
              Jann Wenner was removed from the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame's board of directors on Sept. 16, 2023, one day after making controversial comments about female and black musicians.
              Originally posted by sadaist
              I don't mind that one Nickelback song. I just hate the fact that they put it on every album 10 times.

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              • twonabomber
                formerly F A T
                ROTH ARMY WEBMASTER

                • Jan 2004
                • 11212

                It's too late, the damage has already been done.
                Writing In All Proper Case Takes Extra Time, Is Confusing To Read, And Is Completely Pointless.

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                • Rikk
                  DIAMOND STATUS
                  • Jan 2004
                  • 16518

                  I saw this yesterday. While I consider myself pretty liberal (socially), I get pretty incensed with people being cancelled all the time from single comments or some event 15 years earlier.

                  But the shit Wenner said the other day was insane. Who the fuck says, "I should have found some blacks..." and goes on about his not being able to find any women or blacks to match white men...and says women "just don't articulate at that level..."

                  But the truth for me is that it's Wenner...and I hate the fucking guy. His being kicked out of the Rock Hall Nomination is just truly awesome.

                  Do I think this means that all sorts of metal and classic rock bands will all start getting in now? NO. The Rock Hall are ALL a bunch of fucking idiots. But this could help.
                  Roth Army Militia

                  Originally posted by WARF
                  Rikk - The new school of the Roth Army... this dude leads the pack... three words... The Sheep Pen... this dude opened alot of doors for people during this new era... he's the best of the new school.

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                  • Rikk
                    DIAMOND STATUS
                    • Jan 2004
                    • 16518

                    Originally posted by twonabomber
                    It's too late, the damage has already been done.
                    I've been to the Museum once and once only.

                    My wife did her Undergrad at Kent. So she visits the area time to time and one time I went with her and we spent the day at the Rock Hall Museum.

                    I spent the first couple of hours with my eyes bugged out, looking at John Lennon's guitars and Jim Morrison's report card and Gary Rossington's Les Paul and John Paul Jones' shirt from SONG REMAINS THE SAME.

                    Then...as it wound down...I said to my wife, "I've seen nothing from KISS. Nothing from Soundgarden."

                    I don't remember seeing any Van Halen stuff (maybe I've forgotten). I don't even remember Sex Pistols stuff.

                    And my wife was kind of lowering her head as I raved and ranted the entire drive back to our friends' place about how much I hate the Rock Hall.
                    Roth Army Militia

                    Originally posted by WARF
                    Rikk - The new school of the Roth Army... this dude leads the pack... three words... The Sheep Pen... this dude opened alot of doors for people during this new era... he's the best of the new school.

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                    • Terry
                      TOASTMASTER GENERAL
                      • Jan 2004
                      • 11982

                      I dunno...I mean, has the RNRHOF seal of approval been something anyone ever needed to 'validate' them listening to whatever?

                      It's just a bunch of has-beens giving each other stroke jobs at $10k a seat.
                      Scramby eggs and bacon.

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                      • Kristy
                        DIAMOND STATUS
                        • Aug 2004
                        • 16375

                        Originally posted by Von Halen
                        Somebody in Cleveland should burn that building of fraud down. How many rock bands or rap artists are in the Country Music Hall Of Fame? I've been by that shithole in Cleveland a thousand times, and have never stepped foot in the place. Not sure if it costs money, but they'd never get a penny from me. It's a fucking JOKE.
                        It was @$35 when I was there. That's right, $35 to see Marky Ramone's jeans and snare drum.

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                        • Kristy
                          DIAMOND STATUS
                          • Aug 2004
                          • 16375

                          Originally posted by Terry
                          I dunno...I mean, has the RNRHOF seal of approval been something anyone ever needed to 'validate' them listening to whatever?

                          It's just a bunch of has-beens giving each other stroke jobs at $10k a seat.
                          Don't forget about Dave Grohl's obligatory ego tripping and for being the very reason rock & roll exist at all.

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                          • Kristy
                            DIAMOND STATUS
                            • Aug 2004
                            • 16375

                            Originally posted by twonabomber
                            That one Missy Elliott video was deemed "groundbreaking" and she might have gotten the MTV Video Vanguard award recently. Beyond that, I can't think of much she's done, either.
                            This may have something to do with it.

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                            • Rikk
                              DIAMOND STATUS
                              • Jan 2004
                              • 16518

                              Originally posted by Kristy
                              This may have something to do with it.

                              https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-09-...tone/102867406
                              Really paying attention to the thread, aren't ya?
                              Roth Army Militia

                              Originally posted by WARF
                              Rikk - The new school of the Roth Army... this dude leads the pack... three words... The Sheep Pen... this dude opened alot of doors for people during this new era... he's the best of the new school.

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                              • Kristy
                                DIAMOND STATUS
                                • Aug 2004
                                • 16375

                                Blow me.


                                Hippie

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