Tapes that kill

[Rikk]

Wonder how recent this pic is

Jesus Christ...yeah, they're sure going out "on top"...LMFAO.

They WERE once a great band...TOO FAST FOR LOVE, SHOUT AT THE DEVIL...most people hated it but I really liked a lot of the material on their reunion LP, GENERATION SWINE. At least they were trying something new.

But they REALLY should have bowed out with their farewell tour. They are literally pissing on their legacy. I'll bet they're just going to keep running this thing into the ground, eventually losing another original member with more lawsuits...maybe it'll just be Nikki in the end, playing an all-mimed backing track tour, doing the same hits that sound like shit, uglier than ever...

I had an ex that broke up with me after we lived together for a while. I moved on, eventually met my wife and was happy...but my ex suddenly couldn't accept that I had moved on. She literally for a few years was sending me crazy emails, questioning how I could move on, questioning how I would want to "let us go." She just couldn't see that it was no good...just couldn't see that it was so over and kept trying and trying to just keep it going for so much longer than any sane person would want to try beating a dead horse. She stalked me even after I was engaged to my future wife. SHE JUST COULDN'T SEE THAT SOME THINGS JUST NEED TO END, FOR FUCK'S SAKES!!!

And that's just what this band is now. I used to really like them. And I still put on TOO FAST FOR LOVE and jump around the room, listening to LIVE WIRE or PUBLIC ENEMY #1. But every year they continue to be bigger and bigger fucking jokes, I just completely lose respect for them and the legacy they're destroying.

They NEVER were the unique and almost divine experience that original Van Halen or Rush or Deep Purple were. They were kind of a sleazy, loud and fun band that one could not take truly seriously. And they had plenty of lousy moments in their career/catalog. But I never thought they could sink this low.

Who the fuck are these people still buying tickets?...

[twonabomber]

Wonder how recent this pic is

[Seshmeister]

So if you strip away the girls who may be singing backing vocals or maybe just miming strippers not a whole lot left...

[Seshmeister]

The group's monitor engineer, Scott Megrath, said in his declaration that, at certain points, "I had to make sure that the other band members would not get Mick's feed into their earpieces because that would confuse them and potentially ruin the show.

Presumably because they might then mime the wrong note? :D

[Nickdfresh]

I wouldn't see these clowns if you paid me. Fucking Nikki Prixx yells to the hills how he's sober but still can't play his bass live. Retards, die in a plane crash already....

[Seshmeister]

The band are countering with stuff like

In the attached signed declarations, seven crew members offer complaints about Mars's playing in the 2022 tour. Robert Long, the band's production manager since 2007, said in the statement provided by group attorneys to Variety: "When he is off, the band's entire performance suffers. Mick's performance during 'The Stadium Tour' was unworkable and very difficult to manage. It began with the band's rehearsals in April 2022. Mick would consistently forget chords and songs so the band would have to stop and re-teach those parts to Mick to remind him of the arrangements. … Mick's performance issues continued throughout the tour. He would consistently miss notes; play out of tune; play the wrong chords during a song; stay within a chorus of a song and never come out of it; forget the song that he was playing and start a different one; and would get lost in songs. This happened at every show. … Our playback engineer put in cues for Mick so that he would stay on course but he would miss the cues.”


Tour manager Thomas Reitz declared in his statement that "Mick was struggling, forgetting chords and songs. He was not up to speed with the songs and could not play his solos. The other band members spent hours trying to help Mick. Mick would often get frustrated and confused. I also witnessed the band and crew's frustration with Mick's mistakes first hand during the rehearsals. Mick's issues continued and got worse during the tour. Virtually at every concert, he played the wrong chords, wrong song or would forget what song he was playing. A sound technician would always need to have a backup track ready in case Mick played the wrong song or chord."

The group's monitor engineer, Scott Megrath, said in his declaration that, at certain points, "I had to make sure that the other band members would not get Mick's feed into their earpieces because that would confuse them and potentially ruin the show. Mick's mistakes happened on numerous occasions and at every show. In my years of experience, I have never seen mistakes like this by a guitarist on stage."

There is some 'fake history' that Crue were the biggest act of the period with the best musicians among people who weren't around back then. Millennials and even friends of my teenage kids have them on this pedestal which is a bit bizarre. Around 1991 Crue were 3rd top of the bill at festivals. In the circles I was in Mick Mars was seen as decent at coming up with the odd riff but an unusually poor guitarist compared to most others to the point that if I hit a duff note someone in the rest of the band would shout down the mike even at a live gig 'MICK MARS!!'. Now on Facebook groups I see him topping polls of the greatest guitarist of the 80s/90s it's all a bit weird.

I'm not a hater at all I liked the 2 decent songs they would have on each album back then but the bullshit and lies has been crazy so it must be a bit shocking to the part of their fan base who are 40 and younger that the whole thing doesn't bear up to much close inspection...

[Nickdfresh]

They want to remove Marrs as an "officer of the corporation". How rock and roll!!!

[Rikk]

It's really sad. From what I understand, Crue's last REAL tour (the farewell thingy) went very well. The shows were apparently good. Then they come back and do pathetic double and triple-billings, eventually losing the only guitarist they ever had and literally playing to tapes. I thought the whole point of their farewell tour was that they wanted to go out while they "could still kick ass"? Now, they're an industry embarrassment.

[Terry]

I agree with Sheehan. I'm sick of all these bands faking it. If I want to listen to the record, I'll listen to the fucking record. They're taking all the charm of a live show, out of the live show.

It's not even just old rock geezers anymore, but bands/acts of all ages and all genres faking it. Lip-synching bullshit.

[Seshmeister]

I think his point is that he was the only one actually performing live all the time. Sixx was miming all bass parts, vocals were helped probably fading in at out and some of the drumming was helped as per the initial post of this thread.

Remember it is in a legal document he's saying this so he must be confident they can't deny it/sue him.

[FORD]

What was the point of hiring John Lowery if they were just going to fake it with tapes? They could have pulled a KISS move and sent a roadie out on stage, dressed up like Mick Mars.

[silverfish]

Mötley Crüe Fake Playing Live, Guitarist Mick Mars Claims In Profits Participation Suit Against Band

According to a profits participation filing this week (read it here) by the 71-year-old six-stringer today
in LA Superior Court, Nikki Sixx, Vince Neil and Tommy Lee fake playing and singing their songs while
on tour. The allegation from the ankylosing spondylitis-suffering Mars not only puts the self-described
“world’s most notorious band” in a very uncomfortable spotlight, but may also not go down so well
with the millions of fans paying Sixx, Neil, Lee and new touring guitarist John 5 big bucks to see
them on tour this year.

Although Mars had indicated that the 12 U.S. stadium dates would be his last shows while touring,
the 12 anticipated shows ultimately expanded to 36 shows, and Mars performed at every single
one of them, in constant pain. Sixx’s gaslighting came to a crescendo during the stadium tour,
when he, knowing that this was Mars’s last tour as a result of his increasingly painful and debilitating
AS, and apparently already plotting to force him out of the band and take his shares, repeatedly told
Mars that he was playing the wrong chords, and that fans were complaining about his playing.

Astonishingly, Sixx made these claims about Mars’s playing while he (Sixx) did not play a single note
on bass during the entire U.S. tour. Ironically, 100% of Sixx’s bass parts were nothing but recordings.
Sixx was seen fist pumping in the air with his strumming hand, while the bass part was playing. In fact,
a significant portion of Neil’s vocals were also pre-recorded. Even some of Lee’s drum parts were
recordings. Some fans actually noticed that Lee was walking toward his drum set as they heard
his drum part begin.

Full story at:

https://deadline.com/2023/04/motley-crue-lawsuit-mick-mars-nikki-sixx-1235319450/

[Von Halen]

I agree with Sheehan. I'm sick of all these bands faking it. If I want to listen to the record, I'll listen to the fucking record. They're taking all the charm of a live show, out of the live show.

[Seshmeister]

Wow I didn't know it went back that far.

Maybe they should have also used tapes of his bass too, I remember Matt Bissonette ducked every difficult bit of Sheehan playing on that tour.... A bit disappointing.

[silverfish]

Billy Sheehan Wasn't on DLR 'Skyscraper' Tour — But His Voice Was

Veteran bassist Billy Sheehan wasn't on the road with David Lee Roth during the singer's Skyscraper tour —
but his vocals were.

The four-string virtuoso, who played on Roth's 1986 full-length solo debut Eat 'Em and Smile and 1988's
Skyscraper, said pre-recorded backing tracks were one of his final points of contention before exiting the
band in 1988.

"My last moments with David Lee Roth [were] in the studio," Sheehan told I'm Music Magazine. "We
sang all the background vocals for the Skyscraper tour to be on samples for them to use live, which
went against my grain to start with. And later that day, I had the meeting which ended my relationship
with Dave. Fortunately, I did not go out on that tour with fake vocals. I did sing on that tour, but I did it
digitally. I'm very, very much against faking it."


Full story at:

https://ultimateclassicrock.com/billy-sheehan-david-lee-roth-skyscraper-tour-vocals/